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I am verily confused. Is it possible to create squads which act like civilians unless activated? I don't want them to train, but to do their normal duties, while remaining nominally a squad. [[User:AbuDhabi|AbuDhabi]] 18:05, 1 April 2010 (UTC) | I am verily confused. Is it possible to create squads which act like civilians unless activated? I don't want them to train, but to do their normal duties, while remaining nominally a squad. [[User:AbuDhabi|AbuDhabi]] 18:05, 1 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
:From what I've seen, in some cases squads do only activate when given orders, then go back to their civilian roles when the orders are canceled. I think what you'd want to do is define no orders in the Schedule screen (or just keep them in the Inactive alert level, which has no orders by default), then give them direct move or kill orders through the Squad screen. They should activate when you give the order, then go back to their civilian duties when you cancel their orders. On the schedule screen you can also tell them to either wear their military clothes when inactive or wear civilian clothes and only equip military clothes when active. --[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 18:25, 1 April 2010 (UTC) | :From what I've seen, in some cases squads do only activate when given orders, then go back to their civilian roles when the orders are canceled. I think what you'd want to do is define no orders in the Schedule screen (or just keep them in the Inactive alert level, which has no orders by default), then give them direct move or kill orders through the Squad screen. They should activate when you give the order, then go back to their civilian duties when you cancel their orders. On the schedule screen you can also tell them to either wear their military clothes when inactive or wear civilian clothes and only equip military clothes when active. --[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 18:25, 1 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:::Keep in mind that although arsenal dwarves will not appear until certain criteria is met (number of soldiers? population? dunno), until they arrive you do not need them. The page's information has been updated to reflect this. --[[User:Retro|Retro]] 04:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC) | :::Keep in mind that although arsenal dwarves will not appear until certain criteria is met (number of soldiers? population? dunno), until they arrive you do not need them. The page's information has been updated to reflect this. --[[User:Retro|Retro]] 04:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
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Station and routes don't need an individual page each; they're just stubs. Added them here, going to redirect the old pages here as well. --[[User:Retro|Retro]] 23:45, 3 April 2010 (UTC) | Station and routes don't need an individual page each; they're just stubs. Added them here, going to redirect the old pages here as well. --[[User:Retro|Retro]] 23:45, 3 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:I'm also confused - My 1st squad (containing militia commander and 2 dwarves under him) seems to work just fine. (Well, fine-ish. They have trouble training, shooting goats or feeding themselves, but I think thats just my knowledge of the new military system...) --[[User:Mrchinchin25|Mrchinchin25]] 12:07, 5 April 2010 (UTC) | :I'm also confused - My 1st squad (containing militia commander and 2 dwarves under him) seems to work just fine. (Well, fine-ish. They have trouble training, shooting goats or feeding themselves, but I think thats just my knowledge of the new military system...) --[[User:Mrchinchin25|Mrchinchin25]] 12:07, 5 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
| − | + | ::I'm not sure about the validity of that statement myself, since I can assign dwarves to him, though it might not be working. I think this might have to be changed to "Assigning dwarves under your militia commander will not work, though it might be a bug" if that was his intent, since the military system seems like it allows you to assign dwarves to him. The reason I'm saying this is because if you can't assign dwarves under him the military screen shouldn't allow you to do so, whereas if it's bugged it would allow it.(Note, my knowledge of the military system isn't great either, as my dwarves have gotten stuck trying to train a lot) --[[User:Ramperkash|Ramperkash]] 04:57, 5 April 2010 (UTC+2) | |
| − | :I'm not sure about the validity of that statement myself, since I can assign dwarves to him, though it might not be working. I think this might have to be changed to "Assigning dwarves under your militia commander will not work, though it might be a bug" if that was his intent, since the military system seems like it allows you to assign dwarves to him. The reason I'm saying this is because if you can't assign dwarves under him the military screen shouldn't allow you to do so, whereas if it's bugged it would allow it.(Note, my knowledge of the military system isn't great either, as my dwarves have gotten stuck trying to train a lot) --[[User:Ramperkash|Ramperkash]] 04:57, 5 April 2010 (UTC+2) | + | :::I found that when editing his squad I could only replace the commander and not add additional dwarves, but if nobody else is noticing that, I'll just take it back out --[[User:Retro|Retro]] 16:04, 5 April 2010 (UTC) |
| − | ::I found that when editing his squad I could only replace the commander and not add additional dwarves, but if nobody else is noticing that, I'll just take it back out --[[User:Retro|Retro]] 16:04, 5 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
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Militant Civilians
I am verily confused. Is it possible to create squads which act like civilians unless activated? I don't want them to train, but to do their normal duties, while remaining nominally a squad. AbuDhabi 18:05, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
- From what I've seen, in some cases squads do only activate when given orders, then go back to their civilian roles when the orders are canceled. I think what you'd want to do is define no orders in the Schedule screen (or just keep them in the Inactive alert level, which has no orders by default), then give them direct move or kill orders through the Squad screen. They should activate when you give the order, then go back to their civilian duties when you cancel their orders. On the schedule screen you can also tell them to either wear their military clothes when inactive or wear civilian clothes and only equip military clothes when active. --Valdemar 18:25, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
- I have them set to Inactive, but all they do is Individual Weapon Drill, completely ignoring civilian work such as making stuff and building workshops. AbuDhabi 07:01, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
- At least I think I did. This is somewhat confusing, and I need to switch booted OSes to run DF. AbuDhabi 07:07, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Military Guide
This Something Awful post has a treasure trove of information on how the military screens work. If someone could work on editing it into the page (with proper attribution at the bottom, of course), that would be excellent. 76.84.96.216 05:20, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
- Wish I could but SA has reverted to needing an account to see the forum again. If you mind posting the relevant information here I'll be glad to sift through it and add what we can. KaelGotRice 07:12, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
- Shouldn't we credit CC with that guide? Unless you are the original author. I don't know what's considered appropriate here. --Freeze 15:34, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Arsenal Dwarf not appearing?
No matter what I do, I can't get the Arsenal Dwarf to show up on the nobles screen, iv'e tried everything, even turning his poulation requirements to 1. It could be a bug, but I really don't want to lose this fort, anyone have any help?24.255.86.193
- I had this problem too, but the position just now opened up for me. The only thing I can think of that might have caused it would be I drafted another dwarf to my military, for a total of 5 soldiers. -Soronhen 06:35, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
- OK turns out they pick up equipment without an arsenal dwarf, boy do I feel dumb now24.255.86.193
- Keep in mind that although arsenal dwarves will not appear until certain criteria is met (number of soldiers? population? dunno), until they arrive you do not need them. The page's information has been updated to reflect this. --Retro 04:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
- OK turns out they pick up equipment without an arsenal dwarf, boy do I feel dumb now24.255.86.193
Conglomerating + Full Page Overhaul
Station and routes don't need an individual page each; they're just stubs. Added them here, going to redirect the old pages here as well. --Retro 23:45, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
- More conglomerating - reading over the military guide page it seems like the latter could easily be moved into the main military page, with a bit of formatting. I'm going to start this shortly (though I won't touch the guide itself yet); if anyone has other thoughts this is probably a good spot to discuss. No harm reverting if it comes to that anyhow. --Retro 01:41, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
- DONE! There is still some stuff to do, but I've made note of what needs to be expanded using hidden notes. Notably we need more info in teaching. Hopefully the quick guide has served its purpose now. --Retro 05:43, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
- Added the beginnings of an FAQ; will be going in and adding screenshots of various military menus later tonight. It'll help as a point of reference. --Retro 17:29, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
- DONE! There is still some stuff to do, but I've made note of what needs to be expanded using hidden notes. Notably we need more info in teaching. Hopefully the quick guide has served its purpose now. --Retro 05:43, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Under 'Forming Squads'
"No dwarves can be assigned under your militia commander; he is a squad of his own."
Does this mean that no additional dwarves can be assigned to his squad? If so I am confused. I have a squad formed, with nine dwarves, led by my commander in slot number one....--BloodyThorn 09:48, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
- I'm also confused - My 1st squad (containing militia commander and 2 dwarves under him) seems to work just fine. (Well, fine-ish. They have trouble training, shooting goats or feeding themselves, but I think thats just my knowledge of the new military system...) --Mrchinchin25 12:07, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not sure about the validity of that statement myself, since I can assign dwarves to him, though it might not be working. I think this might have to be changed to "Assigning dwarves under your militia commander will not work, though it might be a bug" if that was his intent, since the military system seems like it allows you to assign dwarves to him. The reason I'm saying this is because if you can't assign dwarves under him the military screen shouldn't allow you to do so, whereas if it's bugged it would allow it.(Note, my knowledge of the military system isn't great either, as my dwarves have gotten stuck trying to train a lot) --Ramperkash 04:57, 5 April 2010 (UTC+2)
- I found that when editing his squad I could only replace the commander and not add additional dwarves, but if nobody else is noticing that, I'll just take it back out --Retro 16:04, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not sure about the validity of that statement myself, since I can assign dwarves to him, though it might not be working. I think this might have to be changed to "Assigning dwarves under your militia commander will not work, though it might be a bug" if that was his intent, since the military system seems like it allows you to assign dwarves to him. The reason I'm saying this is because if you can't assign dwarves under him the military screen shouldn't allow you to do so, whereas if it's bugged it would allow it.(Note, my knowledge of the military system isn't great either, as my dwarves have gotten stuck trying to train a lot) --Ramperkash 04:57, 5 April 2010 (UTC+2)