Editing User talk:The Mastrod

== Animals category ==

This definitely isn't something people should have to add manually to every page. What pages are you tagging, exactly? I saw you tag some animal men, so I'm not sure what exactly is supposed to be in this category. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 15:36, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Some animals (such as [[Aye-aye]], [[Aye-aye man]], [[Giant aye-aye]]) were not in the category at all. Others had 1 of the 3 variants in the category, and not the other 2 (for example [[Barn owl]] was there, but [[Barn owl man]] and [[Giant barn owl]] were not). I also was not sure if animal men should be in the category or not, but seeing as some were already there, I decided to add the rest. I also noticed something that I wasn't sure how to fix. [[Blue jay]] is the counterpart to [[Bluejay man]] and [[Giant bluejay]], but because the root is different (blue jay vs bluejay), they don't appear on each other's pages. &mdash;[[User:The Mastrod|The Mastrod]] 00:06, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
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 Some animals (such as [[Aye-aye]], [[Aye-aye man]], [[Giant aye-aye]]) were not in the category at all. Others had 1 of the 3 variants in the category, and not the other 2 (for example [[Barn owl]] was there, but [[Barn owl man]] and [[Giant barn owl]] were not). I also was not sure if animal men should be in the category or not, but seeing as some were already there, I decided to add the rest. I also noticed something that I wasn't sure how to fix. [[Blue jay]] is the counterpart to [[Bluejay man]] and [[Giant bluejay]], but because the root is different (blue jay vs bluejay), they don't appear on each other's pages. &mdash;[[User:The Mastrod|The Mastrod]] 00:06, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
-:My point is that it should be possible to add with at least one of the templates that's already on the creature pages, instead of adding it manually. I'm not sure if there's an easy way to fix the blue jay pages, unfortunately. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 03:03, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
-::I don't really know how templates work yet. This is the first time I've edited a wiki. Is this something you can do? I'm going to keep on tagging things like this for now, until such a fix is made. &mdash;[[User:The Mastrod|The Mastrod]] 03:27, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
-:We already have a "{{catlink|DF2014:Creatures}}" category that includes all creatures; how exactly will the contents of an "Animals" category differ? Note that "creatures" is a more correct general term since a few of the more esoteric creatures (e.g. [[Gabbro man|Gabbro men]]) wouldn't typically be considered "animals" (they are essentially sentient stone), but I doubt it's worthwhile to have another category specifically to exclude the dozen or so edge-case creatures. ("Creature" also happens to be the game-term used in raw definitions so it's the appropriate wiki category name according to [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Community_Portal#G|Rule G]].)
-:As for creature variations, you can override them on creature pages [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=DF2014:Bluejay_man&diff=230963&oldid=230915 like this]. Unfortunately that won't work on vermin pages because nobody took the time to plumb the necessary parameter passing through the five or so layers of templates.--[[User:Loci|Loci]] ([[User talk:Loci|talk]]) 03:55, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
-::The Animals category already existed, I've just been adding to it. If there is a consensus to delete it, then delete it. Until a decision has been made, I'm going to keep adding pages to it. &mdash;[[User:The Mastrod|The Mastrod]] 05:53, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
-I checked the general [[Animals]] page and it seems to refer to non-sentient animals. I can remove all animal men from the category that I've added/were already in there if there is a general consensus. &mdash;[[User:The Mastrod|The Mastrod]] 07:18, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
-So should the category include all non-sentient creatures, then? It looks like there's similar logic in the creature sidebar already to indicate when creatures can't be butchered ([[elf]], [[antman]], etc.), so that should be easy to add. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 00:50, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
-:That sounds good. Would this include vermin? &mdash;[[User:The Mastrod|The Mastrod]] ([[User talk:The Mastrod|talk]]) 00:56, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
-::It looks like it already does. Vermin use a separate template, but I don't think there are any sentient vermin, so it should be easy to add to that. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 17:08, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
-:::Fairies and pixies are sentient vermin, just as a warning. [[User:OluapPlayer|OluapPlayer]] ([[User talk:OluapPlayer|talk]]) 17:26, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
-::::Should it look for {{token|INTELLIGENT}} and {{token|CAN_LEARN}}, then? [[Fairy]] has the first, [[fox man]] has the second, and [[sloth]] has neither, but that's probably not an exhaustive check. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 20:45, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
-:::::Creatures such as [[Amethyst man]] or [[Blood man]] have neither {{token|INTELLIGENT}} nor {{token|CAN_LEARN}}, and yet don't seem to fit as "Animals," as they can neither be tamed nor butchered for food. Also, the category should probably exclude creatures with {{token|DOES_NOT_EXIST}}. [[User:The Mastrod|The Mastrod]] ([[User talk:The Mastrod|talk]]) 04:51, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
-== Butchering returns ==
-How are you obtaining your butchering returns? In the arena or fortress mode (or somewhere else)? &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 17:34, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
-:Arena. [[User:The Mastrod|The Mastrod]] ([[User talk:The Mastrod|talk]]) 20:42, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
-::(Sorry for the late response here.) Creatures in the arena tend to be just average-sized adults (with maybe some variation), while adults in fortress mode tend to have more variety in terms of size. Obviously, if you're getting 20-30 units of meat per creature in the arena and the current page says 80-90, that information is probably outdated. However, if the page says 13-18, and you only get 14-17 in the arena, that doesn't mean it's impossible to get 13-18 in fortress mode, and you shouldn't get rid of that information. &mdash;[[User:Lethosor|<span style="color:#074">Lethosor</span>]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|<span style="color:#092">talk</span>]]) 13:32, 16 June 2017 (UTC)