Editing 40d Talk:Island

Um, I'm a complete newbie, and I want to make my first fortress on an island. What about the fact that you are immune to goblin attacks if you are on an island? What about some tips on how to make a fortress on an island? Help! -- Cayzle

This should be added to the <nowiki>{{world}}</nowiki> categories.

--[[User:JPolito|JPolito]] 17:55, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Oh wait. I figured out how to do it.

--[[User:JPolito|JPolito]] 18:02, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I'm pretty sure an island isn't a biome type. Also, I've yet to see the game mention islands at all. Like a valley, this is a feature that is created and then recieves no reference. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:27, 14 November 2007 (EST)

== Complete nonsense ==

As far as I can tell there is nothing useful about this article. The facts listed are all either completely untrue, utterly misleading, or don't related specifically to islands.

As mentioned, islands are not a feature in the game, there is nothing special about islands at all. If there is anything truly unique about them, then it is the comment about volcanoes:

# Often has a volcano 

But I'm not even really convinced that is very accurate.[[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 14:27, 11 December 2007 (EST)

I agree.  Delete this page.  [[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 20:07, 11 December 2007 (EST)

== Rewrote the page. ==

I made the article a little less cluttered, but other than that not much. Islands really aren't all that different from other coastline, even if I like the aesthetics :P I suppose islands could be useful for escaping the hippy menace though. Can anyone verify what sea level is?

"Your first fortress" says that goblins will settle nearby you at a certain point if there weren't any to begin with. --[[User:Xonara|Xonara]] 00:22, 20 November 2008 (EST)

:Is that true?  I'm not aware of a mechanism by which this happens.  They don't siege until you have 80 dwarves -- maybe that's what the author of that line had in mind?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 02:29, 20 November 2008 (EST)

::I've built in a remote corner of the map with my fortress population approaching 400 and no hostiles have ever showed up, haha. It's been eight years, so if there's a trigger, it has to be pretty obscure. --[[User:Navian|Navian]] 09:46, 20 November 2008 (EST)

== Deletion ==

This page appears to have been deleted once already with the reason that it was useless and unimportant. I still don't see why it should be kept. Anyone? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 17:41, 11 December 2008 (EST)

:Doesn't seem that bad to me in its current form.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 19:23, 11 December 2008 (EST)

:It's got info about the volcanoes and about how civs have a hard time trading over the seas.  It's well-written enough, notes the general salinity of the aquifer and provides a place to gather info for new players who want to build on an island.  I don't see a reason -to- delete it. --[[User:LucienSadi|LucienSadi]] 19:31, 11 December 2008 (EST)

:Voting to keep. --[[User:Jellyfishgreen|Jellyfishgreen]] 06:39, 17 December 2008 (EST)

:I'm of the opinion that some of this info is worthy of mention, but it's not really enough to fill an entire article. Perhaps it could be included in, say, [[Location]] or similar?--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 06:51, 17 December 2008 (EST)

I really should've clarified. Since an island differs from a beach in only two ways, one insignificant, I don't think that we need to have a separate page for island.<br>
The two ways are:
# If you choose a large embark area, you can have ocean on both sides of your fort. Insignificant.
# Most civs cannot reach you.
I think that this page should be made a small subsection in [[beach|Life next to an ocean]] in [[ocean]]. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 14:39, 17 December 2008 (EST)

:I believe I concur. Just a sentence or two there and possibly in [[lake]], too? --[[User:Quil|Quil]] 15:50, 17 December 2008 (EST)

:I'm fine with that.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 17:06, 17 December 2008 (EST)
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 :Doesn't seem that bad to me in its current form.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 19:23, 11 December 2008 (EST)
+:It's got info about the volcanoes and about how civs have a hard time trading over the seas.  It's well-written enough, notes the general salinity of the aquifer and provides a place to gather info for new players who want to build on an island.  I don't see a reason -to- delete it. --[[User:LucienSadi|LucienSadi]] 19:31, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 :Voting to keep. --[[User:Jellyfishgreen|Jellyfishgreen]] 06:39, 17 December 2008 (EST)
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 :I'm fine with that.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 17:06, 17 December 2008 (EST)
-:Actually I don't see how civs don't reach you on an island. I made a fort on an island, and even the elves came to trade in the spring of the second year. The fort wasn't all that rich as I only made cheap bone crafts. There were no engravings or anything. For that matter I couldn't even get to stone cause of aquifers. And in previous forts the elves came only after 2-3 years!!
-So the only differences between an island and a beach are the fact that its possible to get ocean on both sides and the higher likelihood of there being a volcano on an island. Maybe we can combine this page and beach?--[[User:Stinhad Limarezum|Stinhad Limarezum]] 05:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
-== Salty to fresh ==
-The article says "should you start a fortress on an island you better know how to turn salt water into fresh water" Is this actually possible or was it just a joke.--[[User:Cerol The Elf Hunter|Cerol The Elf Hunter]] 22:48, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
-Never mind looked it up you can if you make the water go through screw pump. --[[User:Cerol The Elf Hunter|Cerol The Elf Hunter]] 22:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)