Editing 40d Talk:Cave adaptation

Does cave adaptation lessen with increased exposure outside, or is the adaptation permanent? --[[User:n9103|n9103]] 11:48, 17 Dec 2007 (PST)
:I have found that after a while the dwarves will stop vomiting while outside. I dont know wheter they still have unhappy thoughts. --[[User:Kingzilla|Kingzilla]] 15:35, 17 December 2007 (EST)
:I recall Toady mentioning on IRC some time back that cave adapted dwarves are supposed to recover from cave adaptation after a period outside. He didn't seem sure if it was functional though, but I think it might be... [[User:Lightning4|Lightning4]] 04:09, 13 January 2008 (EST)

==Tiles that count as outside for cave adaptation==
I was wondering if tiles that are considered aboveground but inside will cause cave adaptation? I am building a shaft to the sky in my fortress that my dwarves will walk through a lot, with bridges spanning it on various z-levels. I noticed that tiles on the level below a bridge are considered inside/light/aboveground. Tiles that have no bridges anywhere above them count as outside/light/aboveground. Does anyone know if the inside/light/aboveground tiles work to prevent cave adaptation, or if it has to be an "outside" marked tile? <small>&ndash; [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]]</small>

:It's light. All aboveground tiles are always light. Inside/outside is irrelevant. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 14:41, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

:So, in theory, would a greenhouse-esque section of glass tiles above a hallway or some such other high traffic area stop cave adaptation by keeping the dwarves exposed to light on a frequent basis? --[[User:Tehngion|Tehngion]] 03:05, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
:: yes, but not because glass lets light through, but because flooring and walling doesn't undo the effect of light rays(giant rays in the sky shoot down, and perma-light any tile they pass through)--[[User:Eerr|Eerr]] 04:27, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

:I've been watching the cave adaptation in my current fort very closely, and I think that ''being outside'' is what matters, not the light itself.  So putting a ceiling over an area to make it Indoors+Light won't do anything but keep your dwarves from barfing all over that one particular spot. [[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 01:10, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

::How do you "watch for cave adaption?" [[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 17:48, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

You can tell someone has cave adaptation by seeing their unhappy thought from being irritated by the sun. At that point it's just a matter of checking frequently and keeping track of who ought to be in the area where the inside/light tiles are often. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 22:16, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

== Greenhouse farming ==
I think the statement about brief exposure being insufficient to trigger/treat cave adaptation might be inaccurate.  I just built a roofless farming pit for outdoor crops (mmm... whip vines) and I'm noticing that even the brief time it takes to harvest a crop (~10 spaces walked) is enough to make a dwarf vomit.  --[[User:Oddrune|Oddrune]] 19:50, 29 January 2009 (EST)
:Your dwarves are stepping out into outdoor light, if the farm is roofless. The article specifically mentions that it's ''indoor'' light that doesn't affect cave adaptation.--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 20:40, 29 January 2009 (EST)
:: The article states that ''Occasional or brief exposures to sunlight cannot prevent cave adaption. ''  It does not qualify with respect to indoor/outdoor at this point.  That is, I'm questioning the statement that '''''brief''''' exposure is insufficient to trigger/treat.  --[[User:Oddrune|Oddrune]] 18:37, 31 January 2009 (EST)
:::I see no statement that says that brief exposure does not trigger cave adaptation, unless I'm missing something.--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 20:26, 1 February 2009 (EST)