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Based on this, is the article incorrect in its assessment of how cuts are decided? It would seem "brilliant" is never used alone, and "rose" isn't on our list. I would like someone to check my findings before I edit the article, since I'm not that experienced with looking into the raws. Thanks. --[[User:Timrem|timrem]] 01:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 
Based on this, is the article incorrect in its assessment of how cuts are decided? It would seem "brilliant" is never used alone, and "rose" isn't on our list. I would like someone to check my findings before I edit the article, since I'm not that experienced with looking into the raws. Thanks. --[[User:Timrem|timrem]] 01:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 
== Moving large gems ==
 
 
Large gems can be used as bait in [[animal trap]]s, upon destruction of the animal trap, this gems is dropped next to where the animal trap was. So, this is a method for moving gems, though not a very reliable one. Also 'large gems' can be chosen as one of the types of 'finished goods' for a stockpile. Once a large gem is encrusted with other items, dwarves will move it to such a stockpile.
 
 
== Rarity of gems ==
 
 
I've done some tests with the '''prospect''' tool of DFHack on four different locations. Certain gems, like the grossulars and [[Goshenite]], which seem to spawn on marble, are exceedingly rare. Not found a single grossular, I only found Goshenite on 2 maps, one having 3 gems and the other having 133, being at most the third least abundant gem in the map.
 
 
I remember there was some sort of bug where a sort of mineral wouldn't spawn due to the presence of another (can't remember but I believe it's related with silver or tin), maybe this is related.
 
 
Also, I remember that gems increase the scarser mineral frequency is, although again I don't have the source for this, although it would make sense as most gems don't spawn within mineral clusters.
 
 
I could post the prospects (as I've piped them to text) but the map was custom-made, hence somewhat unreliable.--[[User:Doktoro Reichard|Doktoro Reichard]] ([[User talk:Doktoro Reichard|talk]]) 16:36, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 
 
I've picked up the [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=79018.msg2063804#msg2063804 good work] made by Shandra, treated it according to gems, and found some results. However, those results are... ugly, to say the least. I'll try to supply the Excel spreadsheet, as graphing the results is really really ugly, but I can safely assume the following:
 
 
# Biomes affect the gem distribution. As I didn't find some varieties of [[Diamond|Diamonds]] or Agate in any of the samples, stands to reason that even by messing with mineral frequency one can't make gems appear where they don't belong (e.g. agates can only appear in sedimentary layers).
 
# [[Advanced_world_generation#Mineral_Scarcity|Mineral Scarcity]] affects the distribution in a strange way. Some gems like [[Onyx]] will only appear, and at low quantities, at the lowest setting (hence the biggest frequency), although this might be related to the former point. Other gems, such as [[Bandfire opal]] seem to have some sort of tiers, that actually increase with decreasing mineral frequency. And there are others that peak at intermediate ranges.
 
 
The dataset, however, is quite noisy, and fails because it's a single location, and as such can not encompass all different types of layers. If one were to take the maximum value of the gems in all the sets, it would come out something like the following:
 
 
{{Spoil_small|
 
AMETHYST 84773
 
ALMANDINE 76398
 
BROWN ZIRCON 73466
 
SPINEL_PURPLE 73371
 
RUBICELLE 73100
 
BLACK ZIRCON 73020
 
PINEAPPLE OPAL 72908
 
CHERRY OPAL 72752
 
OPAL_WHITE 72589
 
WAX OPAL 72493
 
OPAL_LEVIN 72478
 
OPAL_PINFIRE 72414
 
PIPE OPAL 72394
 
MILK QUARTZ 70570
 
SPINEL_RED 64513
 
MOSS OPAL 63742
 
QUARTZ_ROSE 49308
 
YELLOW ZIRCON 48020
 
PRASE 44369
 
ONYX OPAL 43648
 
RED ZIRCON 41437
 
SMOKY QUARTZ 38893
 
RESIN OPAL 37697
 
OPAL_CRYSTAL 32563
 
BONE OPAL 29050
 
GREEN ZIRCON 28195
 
LAPIS LAZULI 25090
 
MILK OPAL 24293
 
CRYSTAL_ROCK 19910
 
TANZANITE 18570
 
YELLOW SPESSARTINE 18486
 
CITRINE 18246
 
CLEAR ZIRCON 18073
 
JELLY OPAL 17982
 
OPAL_CLARO 17200
 
MORION 16048
 
JASPER OPAL 14722
 
RED TOURMALINE 14634
 
FIRE OPAL 14582
 
BLUE GARNET 14539
 
PINK TOURMALINE 14533
 
VIOLET SPESSARTINE 14506
 
SHELL OPAL 14297
 
OPAL_REDFLASH 14207
 
OPAL_HARLEQUIN 13818
 
HELIODOR 13092
 
BLACK PYROPE 12944
 
OPAL_PFIRE 12750
 
PRASE OPAL 12721
 
GOLD OPAL 12547
 
WOOD OPAL 12456
 
MORGANITE 12441
 
PYRITE 12369
 
AMBER OPAL 12028
 
OPAL_BLACK 12003
 
RED BERYL 11669
 
RHODOLITE 11637
 
CHRYSOBERYL 11560
 
CINNAMON GROSSULAR 11466
 
GREEN TOURMALINE 10247
 
INDIGO TOURMALINE 10225
 
OPAL_BANDFIRE 10154
 
MOONSTONE 10004
 
TOPAZ 9281
 
PERIDOT 9206
 
GOSHENITE 8956
 
SCHORL 8811
 
PINK GARNET 8719
 
CLEAR GARNET 8695
 
CLEAR TOURMALINE 8044
 
TURQUOISE 7716
 
EMERALD 7384
 
TSAVORITE 7160
 
ALEXANDRITE 6793
 
GOLDEN BERYL 6221
 
RED PYROPE 6148
 
CAT'S EYE 5985
 
HONEY YELLOW BERYL 5232
 
AQUAMARINE 3918
 
KUNZITE 3386
 
YELLOW GROSSULAR 2530
 
FORTIFICATION AGATE 2332
 
TIGEREYE 2285
 
BANDED AGATE 2276
 
GRAY CHALCEDONY 2273
 
CHRYSOPRASE 2266
 
CHRYSOCOLLA 2235
 
BLOODSTONE 2205
 
BLUE JADE 1852
 
WHITE CHALCEDONY 1653
 
SARD 1598
 
MELANITE 1566
 
RED GROSSULAR 1455
 
SUNSTONE 1394
 
TOPAZOLITE 1359
 
SARDONYX 1110
 
DIAMOND_FY 975
 
DIAMOND_LY 813
 
CARNELIAN 578
 
AVENTURINE 432
 
PINK JADE 389
 
BROWN JASPER 264
 
PICTURE JASPER 257
 
ONYX 254
 
WHITE JADE 233
 
DEMANTOID 196
 
GREEN JADE 142
 
YELLOW JASPER 121
 
LAVENDER JADE 101
 
RUBY 92
 
TIGER IRON 79
 
LACE AGATE 70
 
SAPPHIRE 17
 
PLUME AGATE 15
 
DENDRITIC AGATE 0
 
DIAMOND_BLACK 0
 
DIAMOND_BLUE 0
 
DIAMOND_CLEAR 0
 
DIAMOND_GREEN 0
 
DIAMOND_RED 0
 
DIAMOND_YELLOW 0
 
FIRE AGATE 0
 
MOSS AGATE 0
 
RUBY_STAR 0
 
SAPPHIRE_STAR 0
 
TUBE AGATE 0
 
VARISCITE 0
 
|Rarity of gems}}
 
 
In regards to what lead me here, [[Cinnamon grossular|Cinnamon grossulars]] happen to be infrequent (and not as rare as I thought), as it sits in the middle of the table, but as I said earlier, I did search some sites and found no evidence of it's existence. Also, these grossulars seem to appear ''only'' on Mineral Scarcity ranges nearing 25000 (e.g. Rare to Very Rare). This would benefit from a more extensive search, but for now this is what exists so far.--[[User:Doktoro Reichard|Doktoro Reichard]] ([[User talk:Doktoro Reichard|talk]]) 16:07, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
 
 
Finally got around to add the .xls in a Dropbox. The file is [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27314922/Dwarf%20Fortress/Gems2.xls here]. Besides the data presented above, there is data on all distributions by scarcity. It's very very ugly though.--[[User:Doktoro Reichard|Doktoro Reichard]] ([[User talk:Doktoro Reichard|talk]]) 14:55, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 

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