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:Ah, this confirms what I was seeing in [[Talk:Captured creatures#Capturing friends]].  And I think the actual effect is much worse.  My dwarves refused to sleep on the trap under any circumstances, even when it was the only option, to the point that they went insane if supplied with food and drink for long enough.  I've updated the article. — [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] ([[User talk:Wisq|talk]]) 06:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 
:Ah, this confirms what I was seeing in [[Talk:Captured creatures#Capturing friends]].  And I think the actual effect is much worse.  My dwarves refused to sleep on the trap under any circumstances, even when it was the only option, to the point that they went insane if supplied with food and drink for long enough.  I've updated the article. — [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] ([[User talk:Wisq|talk]]) 06:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
  
== Suicide Booth Rewrite ==
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  Eventually he'll fall asleep, and the trap springs.
 
  Eventually he'll fall asleep, and the trap springs.
In ver 40d, this no longer happens. Dwarfs will go insane or die of thirst before falling asleep on a trap. (Tested).  Editing to reflect this, and credit to [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] for pointing it out.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 09:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
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In ver 40d, this no longer happens. Dwarfs will go insane before falling asleep on a trap. (Tested).  Editing to reflect this, and credit to [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] for pointing it out.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 09:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
  
 
:It might still be possible to actually build a trap under a dwarf while they're sleeping, but it'd have to be a pretty well-timed affair.
 
:It might still be possible to actually build a trap under a dwarf while they're sleeping, but it'd have to be a pretty well-timed affair.
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:For lethal versions, depending on how fast they trigger, upright spike traps might work as an alternative.  If they're instantaneous, then no, but if they wait a tick or two, the dwarf might start to leave the room, then get impaled on the spikes they just triggered.  A similar approach could probably be done using retracting bridges and a spike pit underneath, with the benefit that the bridge can be arbitrarily large to deal with the lag time between lever pull and actual retraction. — [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] ([[User talk:Wisq|talk]]) 17:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 
:For lethal versions, depending on how fast they trigger, upright spike traps might work as an alternative.  If they're instantaneous, then no, but if they wait a tick or two, the dwarf might start to leave the room, then get impaled on the spikes they just triggered.  A similar approach could probably be done using retracting bridges and a spike pit underneath, with the benefit that the bridge can be arbitrarily large to deal with the lag time between lever pull and actual retraction. — [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] ([[User talk:Wisq|talk]]) 17:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 
::If you want to include a comment about building a trap under a sleeping dwarf, go for it - but make sure you confirm it first, and then have others duplicate the results so we know it's supported. The problem with spikes - or any sort of triggered trap - is that a trap cannot occupy the same tile as a lever or pressure plate.  Some creative work-arounds have been invented, but I'm not personally familiar enough with them to post same. (Just remembered one - drop bridge - posting now.)--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 20:51, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 

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