Editing 40d Talk:Office

My nobles are still getting "dined without a proper dining room recently" thoughts when they eat in their offices, even when there's a table next to the chair in their office. This article currently says "You may wish to assign that dwarf his own dining room as well to avoid this thought. Alternatively just put a table next to the chair in said office."  It appears that giving the dwarf his own dining room is insufficient; they're still sometimes eating in their offices.  It also appears that simply putting a table next to the chair is insufficient; does marking that table as a second dining room help?  --[[User:Sev|Sev]] 01:26, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
:Short answer: Yes. Long answer: An office doesn't strictly need a table... it just needs a chair as an "anchor" for the room-space. Now, nearly everyone thinks of an office as a chair behind a table or desk, but for Dwarves, the desk is optional. If you want, you can use that table as an "anchor" for a Dining Room that shares the same space as the office. Each of the two room-spaces (the Office and the Dining Room) will get only half-value for the quality of the items in that area. For best results, you'll want a separate, personal dining room for the Noble - assign it in the same way you assign bedrooms. --[[User:Nekojin|Nekojin]] 01:54, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
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 My nobles are still getting "dined without a proper dining room recently" thoughts when they eat in their offices, even when there's a table next to the chair in their office. This article currently says "You may wish to assign that dwarf his own dining room as well to avoid this thought. Alternatively just put a table next to the chair in said office."  It appears that giving the dwarf his own dining room is insufficient; they're still sometimes eating in their offices.  It also appears that simply putting a table next to the chair is insufficient; does marking that table as a second dining room help?  --[[User:Sev|Sev]] 01:26, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
-:Short answer: Yes. Long answer: An office doesn't strictly need a table... it just needs a chair as an "anchor" for the room-space. Now, nearly everyone thinks of an office as a chair behind a table or desk, but for Dwarves, the desk is optional. If you want, you can use that table as an "anchor" for a Dining Room that shares the same space as the office. If you do that, though, each of the two room-spaces (the Office and the Dining Room) will get only half-value for the quality of the items in that area. For best results, you'll want a separate, personal dining room for the Noble - assign it in the same way you assign bedrooms. --[[User:Nekojin|Nekojin]] 01:54, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
+:Short answer: Yes. Long answer: An office doesn't strictly need a table... it just needs a chair as an "anchor" for the room-space. Now, nearly everyone thinks of an office as a chair behind a table or desk, but for Dwarves, the desk is optional. If you want, you can use that table as an "anchor" for a Dining Room that shares the same space as the office. Each of the two room-spaces (the Office and the Dining Room) will get only half-value for the quality of the items in that area. For best results, you'll want a separate, personal dining room for the Noble - assign it in the same way you assign bedrooms. --[[User:Nekojin|Nekojin]] 01:54, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
-:: They've *got* their own separate dining rooms.  Every single one of them.  And they still eat in their offices.  That's why I'm disagreeing with the part of the article that says "You may wish to assign that dwarf his own dining room as well to avoid this thought."  Because I DID assign them their own dining rooms and it did NOT avoid that thought.  I am also disagreeing with the portion of the article that says "Alternatively just put a table next to the chair in said office."  Because I DID put tables in their offices And they STILL kept insisting on eating in their offices and then whining about it.  I'm testing a theory but I don't yet have enough data: what if I take that table in the office and use it to define a *second* dining room assigned to that noble; if he's going to eat there anyway, will that finally get rid of the negative thought? --[[User:Sev|Sev]] 02:43, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
-:::Well, that didn't help either.  Assigning the office table as a second dining room made the duke complain of eating in a horribly substandard dining room instead of complaining that it wasn't a proper dining room.  I'm beginning to wonder if it's not possible to avoid that negative thought without making the dining room and office the same room. --[[User:Sev|Sev]] 16:38, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
-::::Have you tried putting a simple chair (non-designated) in the dining room, beside the dining table?  The dwarf should then plunk down in that chair to eat on his table.  I always set up with the dining room having a table and chair, but the office only a chair.  --[[User:Krenn|Krenn]] 17:56, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
-:::::The dining rooms all have chairs, yes.  Every once in awhile the nobles do eat in their own dining rooms, and they get happy thoughts.  More often, however, they decide to eat in their offices, and that gives them unhappy thoughts. --[[User:Sev|Sev]] 18:31, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
-::::::What's your layout? Maybe you can make the office further away than the dining room. Like set up the suite like this (make the rooms larger if you have to to push the value up further) {{qd|cols=7
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-}} [[User:Random832|Random832]] 12:48, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
-== Throne Room ==
-A 'Throne Room' is simply a high-value study, as shown by [[Room_quality]]. Should there be a standard for putting these names on the pages of each room type? [[User:Deco|Deco]] 10:10, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
-: As a community "standard", it seems that the current practice has been that if the game-term differs significantly from the article title, or has other unique implications, yes.  A king/queen asks, ''specifically'', for a "Royal Throne Room" - altho' listed under "office", it sounds diff enough that I added it (and a redirect).  Most other noble requests are for a "Decent Office", etc, which are obvious at face value.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 18:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
-==Bedroom==
-The article states that "Holding meetings in a bedroom also results in a negative thought, so put the office in a separate room to the bed for nobles who will be conducting meetings", though when my manager's office and bedroom overlapped, he didn't get any negative thoughts - in fact, he was happy to have conducted meetings in such a good setting. I'm inclined to suspect that said negative thought only happens if the dwarf conducting the meeting doesn't '''have''' an office. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 22:09, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
-:A bit of further evidence, when I temporarily removed my broker's office, she moved her meeting with the Human civ's liaison (an Elf Guild Representative) to one of the public dining halls and got an unhappy thought. I suspect that if I had turned them off, she would have moved the meeting into her bedroom and gotten an even worse thought. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 05:13, 19 November 2009 (UTC)