Editing 40d Talk:Hauling

Will dwarves automatically haul whatever they need to make something (e.g.: wooden barrel) at a workshop, or does the specific hauling setting for that item type (e.g.: wood hauling) need to be activated? --[[User:Wabbiteh|Wabbiteh]] 21:58, 7 March 2008 (EST)

:Dwarves automatically gather raw materials needed to produce things.  Hauling is only needed to move things into stockpiles or dump them in a designated dumping zone. [[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 22:57, 7 March 2008 (EST)

== Strength building ==

This article could use some more details, such as the fact hauling stone is a good method for building strength of dwarves (namely, soldiers in training).  If anyone knows the formula, and if it applies to more than just stone, that may be helpful.{{unsigned|Eddie}}18:56, 5 July 2008 
:I have rock haulers - who have no other task enabled - who have been rock haulers for several years. They are no stronger then when they started. Miners develop strength far more quickly and it would seem pump operators too but I haven't done anything with pumps yet.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 02:17, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
: According to the [[experience]] page Dwarfs only gain attributes from tasks associated with a skill. As there is no hauling skill, dwarfs don't get strength from lugging stone around.{{unsigned|Dangerous Beans}}
: I built a single useless pump and set all my haulers to run it manually. They take turns gaining experience while the others do their duties. [[User:Scribbler|Scribbler]] 11:13, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

== Umm, metal bars? ==
Is this Item or stone? {{unsigned|Drunken}}
:Bars/Blocks -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 17:12, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
:Oh, right... :-p wrong paradigm. In my experience, it's Item hauling. I've seen people with stone-hauling turned off move the bars. -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 17:13, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

== Trade Depot Hauling ==

I just saw a dwarf who only has the Burial, Refuse and Cleaning hauling-tasks listed on my Unit menu with the task "Bring Item to Depot." Does this imply that all dwarves will bring items to the Trade Depot, or is this just some kind of fluke? [[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 07:47, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
: Pretty sure it's everyone just like harvesting. Unlike harvesting, there's no way to turn this off, although it is on the list of cancellable jobs. -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 08:26, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

:: Can someone confirm this? That info should really be on the Hauling page, if it's true. I've wasted *hours* trying to micromange dwarves into moving things to the Depot. When added, we should explicitly mention that they do not automatically take everything out of the Depot. [[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 11:23, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

:::You know something's an "any dwarf" task when nobles and children will do it, and "Bring Item to Depot" is one such task.  See [[labor]] for more details.

:::The best you can do to manage who hauls things to the depot is to {{key|r}}emv cre on the Unit or Job screens when you spot a dwarf who should be doing other work wandering off to the depot.  Any time you use this command, it will suppress their taking the task again for several days, thank Armok.  Eventually you'll be left with only dwarves that you want to do the hauling, but this process is very labor-intensive (for you, not the dwarves).

:::Having them haul stuff from the depot is another pain.  The big problem is when they let food rot.  To combat this, you have to assign lots of dedicated food haulers so that they clear out the food-haul queue before you buy food from the caravan.  Otherwise your dwarves will be hauling seeds and barrels and the like elsewhere in the fortress before they turn their attention to the stuff about to spoil in the depot.  And if you buy a lot of food all at once, you will want to have cleared out the queue, placed a food stockpile near the depot, and employed as many food haulers as you can spare.  At some point they'll finish up and you'll see a lot of idlers; switch them to something else. 
 
:::In general, though, you always want to keep sufficient food haulers on hand to keep the food queue clear so that things like roasts don't rot in the kitchen.  Brewing generates a ridiculous number of seeds, for instance, plus barrels of booze, all of which compete for attention on the food queue.  You also have to make sure that you don't run out of stockpile space; a sure sign of this is blinking plants on the farm -- harvested, but with no place to go.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 13:21, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
:::: FWIW, I've found that one solution to the "won't haul things from the trade depot" is to deconstruct the depot, build a food stockpile under it to keep it from spoiling and to facilitate transfer, and then to designate a regular food stockpile as the transfer point. The biggest catches are a) exploding trade goods blanketing the areas and b) extra time to deconstruct and reconstruct the depot, the later being problematic if you can't get a skilled architect on it. Oh, and c) if the traders haven't packed everything up, you run the risk of plundering their goods, creating ill-will and stacks of unusable large and narrow clothing. -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 13:41, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

::::: Wow! Thanks for the detailed response to my first question on the wiki! [[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 19:14, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

== Building ==

"a dwarf building something will move the needed materials to the construction site."

But will dwarves without furniture hauling [b]uild furniture? [[User:Random832|Random832]] 14:09, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
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 == Strength building ==
-This article could use some more details, such as the fact hauling stone is a good method for building strength of dwarves (namely, soldiers in training).  If anyone knows the formula, and if it applies to more than just stone, that may be helpful.<small>&ndash; [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Eddie|Eddie]]</small>18:56, 5 July 2008
+This article could use some more details, such as the fact hauling stone is a good method for building strength of dwarves (namely, soldiers in training).  If anyone knows the formula, and if it applies to more than just stone, that may be helpful.{{unsigned|Eddie}}18:56, 5 July 2008
 :I have rock haulers - who have no other task enabled - who have been rock haulers for several years. They are no stronger then when they started. Miners develop strength far more quickly and it would seem pump operators too but I haven't done anything with pumps yet.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 02:17, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
-: According to the [[experience]] page Dwarfs only gain attributes from tasks associated with a skill. As there is no hauling skill, dwarfs don't get strength from lugging stone around.<small>&ndash; [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Dangerous Beans|Dangerous Beans]]</small>
+: According to the [[experience]] page Dwarfs only gain attributes from tasks associated with a skill. As there is no hauling skill, dwarfs don't get strength from lugging stone around.{{unsigned|Dangerous Beans}}
 : I built a single useless pump and set all my haulers to run it manually. They take turns gaining experience while the others do their duties. [[User:Scribbler|Scribbler]] 11:13, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
 == Umm, metal bars? ==
-Is this Item or stone? <small>&ndash; [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Drunken|Drunken]]</small>
+Is this Item or stone? {{unsigned|Drunken}}
 :Bars/Blocks -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 17:12, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
 :Oh, right... :-p wrong paradigm. In my experience, it's Item hauling. I've seen people with stone-hauling turned off move the bars. -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 17:13, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
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 "a dwarf building something will move the needed materials to the construction site."
-But will dwarves without furniture hauling [b]uild furniture? The screen says "Needs furniture hauling" when I [q] the site before they get there. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 14:09, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
+But will dwarves without furniture hauling [b]uild furniture? [[User:Random832|Random832]] 14:09, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
-:This refers to things like walls and workshops, where the dwarf will haul the materials (stone, for example) needed even if they don't have the associate hauling labor (stone hauling, for example). [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 15:02, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
-== Furniture ==
-Is it in fact verified that dwarves with furniture hauling turned off will build furniture? When I {{k|q}} the job site, it says "Needs Furniture Hauling" in the same that building a constructed wall "Needs Masonry". [[User:Random832|Random832]] 09:03, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
-:And it seems I already asked this two weeks ago - well, there seems to be a difference of opinion now at any rate. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 09:04, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
-::Oh, I see, I misunderstood your HTML comment.  Yes, building furniture requires furniture hauling, as described in [[Hauling#Furniture hauling]].  The hauling part is still automatic, it's just that nobody but a furniture hauler will take a "build furniture" task.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 22:36, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
-== Does harvesting require food hauling? ==
-If I turn on the "all dwarves harvest" option, will dwarves with the food hauling labor turned off still participate?  [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 01:04, 19 November 2008 (EST)
-:Food hauling is not needed. Even better - even nobles and children would harvest! --[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 01:10, 19 November 2008 (EST)
-:On the other hand, so will everybody else (except soldiers): miners, hunters, woodcutters, carpenters, and anybody else who really ought to keep doing what they're doing.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:17, 19 November 2008 (EST)
-==Item hauling==
-what exactly ''is'' item hauling? what do dwarves with it turn on actually haul? and, if we know some of them, shouldnt we list 'em on the page, instead of just 'miscellaneous items'? i dont know what is/isnt a miscellaneous item to a dwarf.. --[[User:DJ Devil|DJ Devil]]
-:Item Hauling is best described as a catch-all. Anything that's not handled by Stone, Wood, Food, Refuse, Furniture, or Animal Hauling is an Item. Sand collection is the only item worth noting. [[User:Zaranthan|Zaranthan]] 12:20, 10 March 2009 (EDT)
-== Hauling distance ==
-all right in common sense terms if I put a stockpile next to a workshop then the dwarves haul stuff from the workshop to the stockpile.
-BUT if I have a workshop the same on the other side of the map... with a stockpile next to it too... they haul the newest item to the stockpile they are closest to at the time.
-Is that how it REALLY works?
-Does this mean I need to clear each area of blocks before I crank out new ones?
-<font face="FixedSys" color="#00FFFF">[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]]</font>[[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 11:27, 12 September 2009 (UTC)