v0.31 Talk:Quickstart guide - Revision history

174.112.197.71 at 22:36, 22 May 2012

2012-05-22T22:36:17Z

174.112.197.71 at 22:32, 22 May 2012

2012-05-22T22:32:40Z

QuietBot: DF2010 -> v0.31 (497/687)

2012-02-17T16:17:51Z

DF2010 -> v0.31 (497/687)

Quietust at 17:51, 8 December 2011

2011-12-08T17:51:52Z

Mstram at 05:45, 25 September 2011

2011-09-25T05:45:26Z

Mstram: /* Major Updates */

2011-09-25T05:42:10Z

Major Updates

XB-70: /* Major Updates */ Build location of the sleeping quarters.

2011-09-14T23:03:06Z

Major Updates: Build location of the sleeping quarters.

213.105.76.141 at 22:47, 8 August 2011

2011-08-08T22:47:20Z

87.149.127.231 at 21:13, 23 June 2011

2011-06-23T21:13:14Z

87.149.127.231 at 21:12, 23 June 2011

2011-06-23T21:12:36Z

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	: I'd like to point out that I had exactly this problem, today, following this guide. I read it three times and I still failed to grasp that immediately after explaining how to dig using d-d, the instructions to dig down used a different command.		: I'd like to point out that I had exactly this problem, today, following this guide. I read it three times and I still failed to grasp that immediately after explaining how to dig using d-d, the instructions to dig down used a different command.
	: That's a reading problem, sure, but the amount of new commands is boggling. Maybe make it clearer that if you don't have a cliff, you can't just dig, you have to Channel (which is a different command) first? - John The Noob, 22:32, 22 May 2012 (UTC)		: That's a reading problem, sure, but the amount of new commands is boggling. Maybe make it clearer that if you don't have a cliff, you can't just dig, you have to Channel (which is a different command) first? - John The Noob, 22:32, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
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		+	:: Oh hey, if I look at the guide for the RIGHT VERSION, I see that my complaint is largely addressed. See? Learning is [[fun]]. -- John The Noob, [[Special:Contributions/174.112.197.71\|174.112.197.71]] 22:36, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

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 ::::: Firstly, with the caveat that I'm a rank newbie, the problem is not merely that we dig down eight levels. The problem is that we excavate an entire extra level before doing that, and that we have to divide our attention between the surface layers and the sleeping quarters. We're not told why it has to be this way. We do not know whether there might be caves full of fire and brimstone and burrowing Balrogs in the layers between. We're not given any sort of timeframe to work with either, so we have no way of knowing if we're making good time. While we're trying to figure out this, our limited control over labors is tested by the distance to the planting fields, and we don't realize why the plump helmets rot unattended. The tutorial tries to be helpful, but (particularly after a while) falls into the trap of assuming that the reader will understand by inferring the relationships.
-::::: So as constructive criticism, I would say the tutorial was informative and useful until [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Quickstart_guide#Strike_The_Earth.21 Strike the Earth]. At that point, we're told stuff without the requisite context. Why is a long, narrow corridor easy to defend? How does one defend at all? What does a jeweler have to do with getting basic amenities into position (food, drink, rest)? What's the real purpose of the administrator? Et cetera. The fact that the tutorial is billed as the most up to date on the wiki (the DF build icon) meant I trusted it to be so, and that could have been one reason for the disconnect. --Eleas (unregistered) 00:22, 13 May 2011 (GMT +1:00).
+::::: So as constructive criticism, I would say the tutorial was informative and useful until [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/v0.31:Quickstart_guide#Strike_The_Earth.21 Strike the Earth]. At that point, we're told stuff without the requisite context. Why is a long, narrow corridor easy to defend? How does one defend at all? What does a jeweler have to do with getting basic amenities into position (food, drink, rest)? What's the real purpose of the administrator? Et cetera. The fact that the tutorial is billed as the most up to date on the wiki (the DF build icon) meant I trusted it to be so, and that could have been one reason for the disconnect. --Eleas (unregistered) 00:22, 13 May 2011 (GMT +1:00).
 :::::: Currently it is the most up-to-date. It's true that at some point I kind of start glossing over things a bit, but I was trying to keep it from getting too long and it's about 10 times longer than it was before I started working on it. (You would have found the original one totally worthless, most likely.) Part of the reason that it's not more detailed is that it's supposed to be "quick" and cover more material in less detail than a normal tutorial. You might want to check out [[Bentgirder]] which covers less material but covers it in more detail I think.  I did actually update some stuff in the quickstart quite to address the fortress design stuff, but the game is so complex that there's no way to explain everything that might happen as you might be able to in SimCity. --[[User:Ral|Ral]] 22:41, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
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 == Military and stockpiles ==
-I moved the military stuff to [[DF2010:Military quickstart]] to try to shorten the article a bit, and I simplified the stockpile stuff and moved the more advanced stockpile tweaking to its own subpage. I wish I could shorten the guide more but it seems very hard to do so because there's just a lot of stuff that you have to do to get a minimal fortress working. Though the guide isn't short it is relatively quick compared to trying to learn by trial and error using the rest of the docs on the wiki..... --[[User:Ral|Ral]] 19:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
+I moved the military stuff to [[v0.31:Military quickstart]] to try to shorten the article a bit, and I simplified the stockpile stuff and moved the more advanced stockpile tweaking to its own subpage. I wish I could shorten the guide more but it seems very hard to do so because there's just a lot of stuff that you have to do to get a minimal fortress working. Though the guide isn't short it is relatively quick compared to trying to learn by trial and error using the rest of the docs on the wiki..... --[[User:Ral|Ral]] 19:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

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 ::::: So as constructive criticism, I would say the tutorial was informative and useful until [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Quickstart_guide#Strike_The_Earth.21 Strike the Earth]. At that point, we're told stuff without the requisite context. Why is a long, narrow corridor easy to defend? How does one defend at all? What does a jeweler have to do with getting basic amenities into position (food, drink, rest)? What's the real purpose of the administrator? Et cetera. The fact that the tutorial is billed as the most up to date on the wiki (the DF build icon) meant I trusted it to be so, and that could have been one reason for the disconnect. --Eleas (unregistered) 00:22, 13 May 2011 (GMT +1:00).
-:::::: Currently it is the most up-to-date. It's true that at some point I kind of start glossing over things a bit, but I was trying to keep it from getting too long and it's about 10 times longer than it was before I started working on it. (You would have found the original one totally worthless, most likely.) Part of the reason that it's not more detailed is that it's supposed to be "quick" and cover more material in less detail than a normal tutorial. You might want to check out {{L|Bentgirder}} which covers less material but covers it in more detail I think.  I did actually update some stuff in the quickstart quite to address the fortress design stuff, but the game is so complex that there's no way to explain everything that might happen as you might be able to in SimCity. --[[User:Ral|Ral]] 22:41, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
+:::::: Currently it is the most up-to-date. It's true that at some point I kind of start glossing over things a bit, but I was trying to keep it from getting too long and it's about 10 times longer than it was before I started working on it. (You would have found the original one totally worthless, most likely.) Part of the reason that it's not more detailed is that it's supposed to be "quick" and cover more material in less detail than a normal tutorial. You might want to check out [[Bentgirder]] which covers less material but covers it in more detail I think.  I did actually update some stuff in the quickstart quite to address the fortress design stuff, but the game is so complex that there's no way to explain everything that might happen as you might be able to in SimCity. --[[User:Ral|Ral]] 22:41, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 ::::::: Fantastic article! I feel the comments, while constructive, fail to express the gratitude that countless readers owe you. What I feel is lacking from DF newb guides is an explanation of top-level game concepts/advice: - Get the latest version of the game and load graphics if full ASCII is daunting; get the lazy newb pack for a quick start. - Dwarves are not controlled manually but rather undertake 'jobs' defined by the player. - Don't worry about keeping your expeditionary party's skill sets 'clean': focus on getting started before becoming obsessive over roles. - Rather than spending 10+ hours reading up and delving into specifics, follow a step-by-step startup guide such as <http://afteractionreporter.com/2009/02/09/the-complete-and-utter-newby-tutorial-for-dwarf-fortress-part-1-wtf/>. Again, fantastic article and thank you for paving my transition from Caesar/Civ/GalCiv into this new vice! ^-^

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	Hmm.. it seems that 'mining' doesn't work from the '''surface''' in version		Hmm.. it seems that 'mining' doesn't work from the '''surface''' in version

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		+	Hmm.. it seems that 'mining' doesn't work from the '''surface''' in version
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		+	http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=87550.msg2385067#msg2385067
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		+	''If you are on the surface you use channeling or stairs to dig down. Mining only mines walls on the current level you are looking at.
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		+	--[[User:Mstram\|Mstram]] 05:42, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
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	== Major Updates ==		== Major Updates ==

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	::::::: Fantastic article! I feel the comments, while constructive, fail to express the gratitude that countless readers owe you. What I feel is lacking from DF newb guides is an explanation of top-level game concepts/advice: - Get the latest version of the game and load graphics if full ASCII is daunting; get the lazy newb pack for a quick start. - Dwarves are not controlled manually but rather undertake 'jobs' defined by the player. - Don't worry about keeping your expeditionary party's skill sets 'clean': focus on getting started before becoming obsessive over roles. - Rather than spending 10+ hours reading up and delving into specifics, follow a step-by-step startup guide such as <http://afteractionreporter.com/2009/02/09/the-complete-and-utter-newby-tutorial-for-dwarf-fortress-part-1-wtf/>. Again, fantastic article and thank you for paving my transition from Caesar/Civ/GalCiv into this new vice! ^-^		::::::: Fantastic article! I feel the comments, while constructive, fail to express the gratitude that countless readers owe you. What I feel is lacking from DF newb guides is an explanation of top-level game concepts/advice: - Get the latest version of the game and load graphics if full ASCII is daunting; get the lazy newb pack for a quick start. - Dwarves are not controlled manually but rather undertake 'jobs' defined by the player. - Don't worry about keeping your expeditionary party's skill sets 'clean': focus on getting started before becoming obsessive over roles. - Rather than spending 10+ hours reading up and delving into specifics, follow a step-by-step startup guide such as <http://afteractionreporter.com/2009/02/09/the-complete-and-utter-newby-tutorial-for-dwarf-fortress-part-1-wtf/>. Again, fantastic article and thank you for paving my transition from Caesar/Civ/GalCiv into this new vice! ^-^
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		+	:::::::: "Below the living quarters, and right off the main stairwell, create another four rooms. One will be for general food storage, one a dining hall, one a kitchen, and one a still" Wouldn't building your dinning hall below your bedrooms disrupt your dwarfs' sleep? According the the [[noise]] article eating travels 1 tile, including on the z axis. Course, unless you build it 9 tiles away from everything, it seems almost impossible to avoid such a fate. [[User:XB-70\|XB-70]] 23:03, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

	== Kitchen / Still Stockpiles ==		== Kitchen / Still Stockpiles ==

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 ::Maybe instead of changing the number we could add a little side note or something stating why the bedroom used to be 7 levels below the surface? --[[Special:Contributions/69.248.54.74|69.248.54.74]] 18:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 edited stockpile section for the sole purpose of it being equivalent to the order in the game (makes disabling easier) gonna update that incase of future changes;
 greetings qusteka; Thursday 23 of June 2011

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	::Maybe instead of changing the number we could add a little side note or something stating why the bedroom used to be 7 levels below the surface? --[[Special:Contributions/69.248.54.74\|69.248.54.74]] 18:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)		::Maybe instead of changing the number we could add a little side note or something stating why the bedroom used to be 7 levels below the surface? --[[Special:Contributions/69.248.54.74\|69.248.54.74]] 18:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
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		+	edited stockpile section for the sole purpose of it being equivalent to the order in the game (makes disabling easier) gonna update that incase of future changes;
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		+	greetings qusteka; Thursday 23 of June 2011