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		<title>Hash: Shut myself up.</title>
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		<updated>2010-06-16T06:49:39Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shut myself up.&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 06:49, 16 June 2010&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot; &gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;It makes sense that short-trigger devices stay in the ON state permanently or near-permanently.  If you examine the state of the pressure plate in a thought experiment, it stays ON for 100 steps after having its water removed, then switches to OFF, toggling the pump above . . . and replacing the water on the plate within a very few steps (probably less than 3), setting it immediately back to ON.  --[[User:Shinziril|Shinziril]] 04:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;It makes sense that short-trigger devices stay in the ON state permanently or near-permanently.  If you examine the state of the pressure plate in a thought experiment, it stays ON for 100 steps after having its water removed, then switches to OFF, toggling the pump above . . . and replacing the water on the plate within a very few steps (probably less than 3), setting it immediately back to ON.  --[[User:Shinziril|Shinziril]] 04:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;I just tested it, and it doesn't appear to work in v31.06.&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The bottom pump readily grabs water falling from the top pump before the water ever has a chance to touch the bottom pressure plate, and the two pumps just end up juggling water in midair and creating mist (and creating more water out of nowhere as they run, interestingly, but that's another matter).&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;I've tested my implementation and I'm fairly certain my diagnosis is correct; nothing attached to the bottom plate ever triggers unless I disable power to the pumps, thus giving the water time to fall, at which point the system operates normally when restarted for the next fraction of a cycle before becoming re-wedged. --[[User:Hash|Hash]] 04:48, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>Hash at 04:48, 16 June 2010</title>
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		<updated>2010-06-16T04:48:45Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot; &gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;It makes sense that short-trigger devices stay in the ON state permanently or near-permanently.  If you examine the state of the pressure plate in a thought experiment, it stays ON for 100 steps after having its water removed, then switches to OFF, toggling the pump above . . . and replacing the water on the plate within a very few steps (probably less than 3), setting it immediately back to ON.  --[[User:Shinziril|Shinziril]] 04:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;It makes sense that short-trigger devices stay in the ON state permanently or near-permanently.  If you examine the state of the pressure plate in a thought experiment, it stays ON for 100 steps after having its water removed, then switches to OFF, toggling the pump above . . . and replacing the water on the plate within a very few steps (probably less than 3), setting it immediately back to ON.  --[[User:Shinziril|Shinziril]] 04:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;I just tested it, and it doesn't appear to work in v31.06.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The bottom pump readily grabs water falling from the top pump before the water ever has a chance to touch the bottom pressure plate, and the two pumps just end up juggling water in midair and creating mist (and creating more water out of nowhere as they run, interestingly, but that's another matter).&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;I've tested my implementation and I'm fairly certain my diagnosis is correct; nothing attached to the bottom plate ever triggers unless I disable power to the pumps, thus giving the water time to fall, at which point the system operates normally when restarted for the next fraction of a cycle before becoming re-wedged. --[[User:Hash|Hash]] 04:48, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;

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		<title>Shinziril: Created page with 'It makes sense that short-trigger devices stay in the ON state permanently or near-permanently.  If you examine the state of the pressure plate in a thought experiment, it stays …'</title>
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		<updated>2010-02-13T04:24:15Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;#039;It makes sense that short-trigger devices stay in the ON state permanently or near-permanently.  If you examine the state of the pressure plate in a thought experiment, it stays …&amp;#039;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;It makes sense that short-trigger devices stay in the ON state permanently or near-permanently.  If you examine the state of the pressure plate in a thought experiment, it stays ON for 100 steps after having its water removed, then switches to OFF, toggling the pump above . . . and replacing the water on the plate within a very few steps (probably less than 3), setting it immediately back to ON.  --[[User:Shinziril|Shinziril]] 04:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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