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Some reasons for escaping

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Some reasons for escaping

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FONZACUS at 23:44, 31 July 2018

2018-07-31T23:44:19Z

Leonidas: Hostility theory of pitting problems.

2018-06-08T21:41:39Z

Hostility theory of pitting problems.

Struck Down: /* Escaping enemies (43.05) */

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Escaping enemies (43.05)

Struck Down at 03:10, 15 October 2017

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-Based on my research assuming you have the correct design the failure to pit is caused by there being too many dwarves in the pitting area. [[Special:Contributions/5.173.74.96|5.173.74.96]] 09:28, 5 September 2025 (UTC)
+Based on my research, assuming you have the correct design, the failure to pit is caused by there being too many dwarves in the pitting area. [[Special:Contributions/5.173.74.96|5.173.74.96]] 09:29, 5 September 2025 (UTC)
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		+	Based on my research assuming you have the correct design the failure to pit is caused by there being too many dwarves in the pitting area. [[Special:Contributions/5.173.74.96\|5.173.74.96]] 09:28, 5 September 2025 (UTC)

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	: Given that this have been the default behavior for close to a decade(not a bug), we can safely replace the screaming red infobox, with a simple note within the article, and if the designs are outdated mark it with {{tl\|old}} (we should really have small infobox for marking specific sections, also I am assuming that Mass pitting is still possible, otherwise we should unlink this page from the Projects navigation sidebar for starters).		: Given that this have been the default behavior for close to a decade(not a bug), we can safely replace the screaming red infobox, with a simple note within the article, and if the designs are outdated mark it with {{tl\|old}} (we should really have small infobox for marking specific sections, also I am assuming that Mass pitting is still possible, otherwise we should unlink this page from the Projects navigation sidebar for starters).
	: so pretty much yeah, throw it into the lava, hell turn it into a megaproject as I feel that we have a lot of outdate infobox creep on the wiki.--[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 12:17, 25 January 2022 (UTC)		: so pretty much yeah, throw it into the lava, hell turn it into a megaproject as I feel that we have a lot of outdate infobox creep on the wiki.--[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 12:17, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
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		+	Done. [[User:Silverwing235\|Silverwing235]] ([[User talk:Silverwing235\|talk]]) 13:04, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

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-We had this big scary warning sign for over a decade, any insights\update on topic that would allow to remove it ? --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 19:08, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
+We had this big scary warning sign for close to a decade, any insights\update on topic that would allow to remove it ? --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 19:08, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 How do you mean, remove? I could just go toss magma, make it into a XXsignXX if you'd rather... :). [[User:Silverwing235|Silverwing235]] ([[User talk:Silverwing235|talk]]) 11:50, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

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	We had this big scary warning sign for over a decade, any insights\update on topic that would allow to remove it ? --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 19:08, 24 January 2022 (UTC)		We had this big scary warning sign for over a decade, any insights\update on topic that would allow to remove it ? --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 19:08, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
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		+	How do you mean, remove? I could just go toss magma, make it into a XXsignXX if you'd rather... :). [[User:Silverwing235\|Silverwing235]] ([[User talk:Silverwing235\|talk]]) 11:50, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

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		+	We had this big scary warning sign for over a decade, any insights\update on topic that would allow to remove it ? --[[User:Jan\|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan\|talk]]) 19:08, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

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		+	i doubt this feature will ever be fixed. i just forgo the entire bottom level while stationing all of my dwarves in the cage stockpile. out of all of the enemies pitted, i can probably say only 10% will ever be thrown under the hole correctly, while most of the others escape. another good setup is to have your noob squad training under there, but id prefer to get them in on the action as well.
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	44.10 The only pitting problems I've had are with prisoners who are hostile to each other, such as a caged elf and an undead. Seeing a non-dwarf hostile jolts them awake and starts a fight. ````		44.10 The only pitting problems I've had are with prisoners who are hostile to each other, such as a caged elf and an undead. Seeing a non-dwarf hostile jolts them awake and starts a fight. ````

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		+	44.10 The only pitting problems I've had are with prisoners who are hostile to each other, such as a caged elf and an undead. Seeing a non-dwarf hostile jolts them awake and starts a fight. ````
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	==Escaping enemies (43.05)==		==Escaping enemies (43.05)==
	I believe I've tracked the cause of enemies escaping during mass pitting. After testing on my own map, I've come to the conclusion that enemies becoming terrified is the reason they are escaping. Every escapee was in a terrified/wallowing-in-misery state during escape, and escape ONLY happened after other enemies had already been killed. Probability of escape shot up DRASTICALLY when there was a dead enemy in the pitting room itself(enemies would see their dead comrades and become terrified, which I guess interrupts the pitting job). Pitting directly over magma seemed to generate an escape after about a dozen or so enemies were pitted. I could get about double this amount when there was a 1 z-level drop to the magma(this could just be margin of error though, it depends on them noticing their dying/dead friends). I'm currently working on a much longer drop pit to test that them seeing dead friends is truly the cause of this behavior. I'll update with the results. --[[User:Struck Down\|Struck Down]] ([[User talk:Struck Down\|talk]]) 03:10, 15 October 2017 (UTC)		I believe I've tracked the cause of enemies escaping during mass pitting. After testing on my own map, I've come to the conclusion that enemies becoming terrified is the reason they are escaping. Every escapee was in a terrified/wallowing-in-misery state during escape, and escape ONLY happened after other enemies had already been killed. Probability of escape shot up DRASTICALLY when there was a dead enemy in the pitting room itself(enemies would see their dead comrades and become terrified, which I guess interrupts the pitting job). Pitting directly over magma seemed to generate an escape after about a dozen or so enemies were pitted. I could get about double this amount when there was a 1 z-level drop to the magma(this could just be margin of error though, it depends on them noticing their dying/dead friends). I'm currently working on a much longer drop pit to test that them seeing dead friends is truly the cause of this behavior. I'll update with the results. --[[User:Struck Down\|Struck Down]] ([[User talk:Struck Down\|talk]]) 03:10, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

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-I believe I've tracked the cause of enemies escaping during mass pitting. After testing on my own map, I've come to the conclusion that enemies becoming terrified is the reason they are escaping. Every escapee was in a terrified state during escape, and escape ONLY happened after other enemies had already been killed. Probability of escape shot up DRASTICALLY when there was a dead enemy in the pitting room itself(enemies would see their dead comrades and become terrified, which I guess interrupts the pitting job). Pitting directly over magma seemed to generate an escape after about a dozen or so enemies were pitted. I could get about double this amount when there was a 1 z-level drop to the magma(this could just be margin of error though, it depends on them noticing their dying/dead friends). I'm currently working on a much longer drop pit to test that them seeing dead friends is truly the cause of this behavior. I'll update with the results. --[[User:Struck Down|Struck Down]] ([[User talk:Struck Down|talk]]) 03:10, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
+I believe I've tracked the cause of enemies escaping during mass pitting. After testing on my own map, I've come to the conclusion that enemies becoming terrified is the reason they are escaping. Every escapee was in a terrified/wallowing-in-misery state during escape, and escape ONLY happened after other enemies had already been killed. Probability of escape shot up DRASTICALLY when there was a dead enemy in the pitting room itself(enemies would see their dead comrades and become terrified, which I guess interrupts the pitting job). Pitting directly over magma seemed to generate an escape after about a dozen or so enemies were pitted. I could get about double this amount when there was a 1 z-level drop to the magma(this could just be margin of error though, it depends on them noticing their dying/dead friends). I'm currently working on a much longer drop pit to test that them seeing dead friends is truly the cause of this behavior. I'll update with the results. --[[User:Struck Down|Struck Down]] ([[User talk:Struck Down|talk]]) 03:10, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 .03 It seems that if I forbid the hatches the dwarves won't plop the goblins into the pit, instead they release the goblins on the top floor. My previous version was 40.24 and forbidden the hatches definitely worked in that version. I think this has changed. Should we change step 4 in the building section, and remove the part about forbidding?

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		+	I believe I've tracked the cause of enemies escaping during mass pitting. After testing on my own map, I've come to the conclusion that enemies becoming terrified is the reason they are escaping. Every escapee was in a terrified state during escape, and escape ONLY happened after other enemies had already been killed. Probability of escape shot up DRASTICALLY when there was a dead enemy in the pitting room itself(enemies would see their dead comrades and become terrified, which I guess interrupts the pitting job). Pitting directly over magma seemed to generate an escape after about a dozen or so enemies were pitted. I could get about double this amount when there was a 1 z-level drop to the magma(this could just be margin of error though, it depends on them noticing their dying/dead friends). I'm currently working on a much longer drop pit to test that them seeing dead friends is truly the cause of this behavior. I'll update with the results. --[[User:Struck Down\|Struck Down]] ([[User talk:Struck Down\|talk]]) 03:10, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
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	43.03 It seems that if I forbid the hatches the dwarves won't plop the goblins into the pit, instead they release the goblins on the top floor. My previous version was 40.24 and forbidden the hatches definitely worked in that version. I think this has changed. Should we change step 4 in the building section, and remove the part about forbidding?		43.03 It seems that if I forbid the hatches the dwarves won't plop the goblins into the pit, instead they release the goblins on the top floor. My previous version was 40.24 and forbidden the hatches definitely worked in that version. I think this has changed. Should we change step 4 in the building section, and remove the part about forbidding?