DF2014:Military testing - Revision history

Jecowa: /* Kicking vs Striking Test, Unarmored (Tested by jecowa) */

2020-03-18T16:45:16Z

Kicking vs Striking Test, Unarmored (Tested by jecowa)

Jecowa: /* Kicking vs Striking Test, Unarmored (Tested by jecowa) */

2020-03-18T16:44:30Z

Kicking vs Striking Test, Unarmored (Tested by jecowa)

Silverwing235: Rule G

2020-01-29T07:48:56Z

Rule G

Silverwing235 at 07:46, 29 January 2020

2020-01-29T07:46:19Z

Silverwing235: /* Dwarves against Hydra (tested by: plynxis) */

2020-01-29T07:44:23Z

Dwarves against Hydra (tested by: plynxis)

130.211.0.63: Added two tests gauging the effectiveness of silver and steel warhammers, and checked whether presence/absence of armor affected this result.

2020-01-29T00:22:40Z

Added two tests gauging the effectiveness of silver and steel warhammers, and checked whether presence/absence of armor affected this result.

Silverwing235 at 14:38, 20 May 2019

2019-05-20T14:38:13Z

NibblesMeKibbles: Fixed disambiguation pages link.

2016-11-23T14:25:32Z

Fixed disambiguation pages link.

Admiral Obvious: /* Scourge versus Whip (Tested By Admiral Obvious) */

2016-03-23T19:51:27Z

Scourge versus Whip (Tested By Admiral Obvious)

Admiral Obvious: /* Scourge versus Whip (Tested By Admiral Obvious) */

2016-03-23T19:51:12Z

Scourge versus Whip (Tested By Admiral Obvious)

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	===Kicking vs Striking Test, Unarmored (Tested by jecowa)===		===Kicking vs Striking Test, Unarmored (Tested by jecowa)===
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		+	Grand Master Striker defeated Grand Master Kicker in 5 out of 7 tests in Dwarf Fortress v0.47.04.

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	<u>'''Tester's conclusion:'''</u>		<u>'''Tester's conclusion:'''</u>
	The victory rate of 68% for silver war hammers is not a significantly different result from the unarmored test's result of 65%. This suggests that silver warhammers are more effective than steel warhammers, and that this effect is equally true whether or not the target or armored.		The victory rate of 68% for silver war hammers is not a significantly different result from the unarmored test's result of 65%. This suggests that silver warhammers are more effective than steel warhammers, and that this effect is equally true whether or not the target or armored.
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		+	===Kicking vs Striking Test, Unarmored (Tested by jecowa)===

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 ! Side & Creature !! Number !! Skills !! Items
 |-
-| #1: Dwarfs || 6 ||   Proficient Fighter and swordsdwarf, skilled Dodger, Armor and Shield user<br>  || Full iron armor&Shortsword
+| #1: Dwarves || 6 ||   Proficient Fighter and swordsdwarf, skilled Dodger, Armor and Shield user<br>  || Full iron armor&Shortsword
 |-
 | #2: Skeletal horse || 6 || None || none
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 ! Side & Creature !! Survived !! Injury level !! Health tags !! Most common cause of death
 |-
-| #1: Dwarfs || 6 || 1 with minor wounds, one with head bruising and some broken parts || 1 unconscious (Dwarf with head bruising) ||
+| #1: Dwarves || 6 || 1 with minor wounds, one with head bruising and some broken parts || 1 unconscious (Dwarf with head bruising) ||
 |-
 | #2: Skeletal horse || 0 ||  ||  ||
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 <u>'''Notes:'''</u>
-Dwarfs began in a line, horses began slightly scattered
+Dwarves began in a line, horses began slightly scattered
 <u>'''Tester's conclusion:'''</u>
-The test was a test of how a middling military would fare against an equal force of skeletal horses. The dwarfs did excellently with only one badly wounded and one other with a minor wound.
+The test was a test of how a middling military would fare against an equal force of skeletal horses. The dwarves did excellently with only one badly wounded and one other with a minor wound.
 = DF2012 (0.34.02) tests =
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 | #2: Swordswarf || 5, 0, 0, 0 || Torn muscle, Severed nerve, Opened arteries, Severed limbs, Missing Limbs || Pale, -N/A- || Bled to death
 |}
-Third time last axedwarf actually fall into martial trance and finished three remaining sworddwarfs, last sword guy just bled to death while fighting.
+Third time last axedwarf actually fall into martial trance and finished three remaining sworddwarves, last sword guy just bled to death while fighting.
 It seems distance on which fighting is started influence outcome, though I'm not sure and this statement requires more tests.
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 === War Hammer material effectiveness comparison (ongoing) (Tested by: Adonkares) ===
-<u>'''Test description:'''</u> After editing the object testing arena into 896 4x1 duel rooms and 84 5x5 5v5 brawl rooms the premise of gold war hammer superiority was put to trial using a variety of different hammer materials. A program was written to populate the arena more quickly as well as equip the dwarfs. (If anyone has any tips on counting the results quickly or via a program, please let me know.)
+<u>'''Test description:'''</u> After editing the object testing arena into 896 4x1 duel rooms and 84 5x5 5v5 brawl rooms the premise of gold war hammer superiority was put to trial using a variety of different hammer materials. A program was written to populate the arena more quickly as well as equip the dwarves. (If anyone has any tips on counting the results quickly or via a program, please let me know.)
 <u>'''Acronym explanation:'''</u> Each test was assigned a number from 1-3. Each row in a table is named after Duel or Group results and is followed by a -s -g -c suffix to denote the material of the weapon equipped. And so 1solo-g means a group of 1v1 dwarf fighters with steel armor and gold hammers.

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-This study seems to show that (for legendary dwarfs), silver war hammers are about equal with adamantine battleaxes, even with both sides being unarmored. The previous time I ran this test, hammers actually won 6 of the 10 rounds, but this time it was evenly split.
+This study seems to show that (for legendary dwarves), silver war hammers are about equal with adamantine battleaxes, even with both sides being unarmored. The previous time I ran this test, hammers actually won 6 of the 10 rounds, but this time it was evenly split.
 :(Is that because a grandmaster dwarf can disable or kill an unarmored dwarf with just one hit with either weapon?  Might be worth examining the combat logs.) [[User:Bognor|Bognor]] 09:08, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

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 <u>'''Tester's conclusion:'''</u>
-Like the dragon, the hydra has a very hard time with the dwarves. The fight is long and even though it can kill them all eventually, the damage it takes in the meantime is definitive. A slightly higher number of dwarves might have killed it and even if a whole squad dies, the threat the hydra poses is practically elimintated as it will probably eventually die on its own anyway.
+Like the dragon, the hydra has a very hard time with the dwarves. The fight is long and even though it can kill them all eventually, the damage it takes in the meantime is definitive. A slightly higher number of dwarves might have killed it and even if a whole squad dies, the threat the hydra poses is practically eliminated as it will probably eventually die on its own anyway.
 === Bronze vs. Iron ===

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	<u>'''Results:'''</u> This was a far fairer fight, I assume if I run the test more, the results would average out to be nearly equal. Whip impacts are absolutely devastating, in many instances involving the total collapse of the impacted area. The Scourge is also equally dangerous, but with much less one shot potential, and a quite high tendency to chip, and break bones. The Scourge is inferior in this case compared to the whip, but this is made up with an apparent higher attack frequency.		<u>'''Results:'''</u> This was a far fairer fight, I assume if I run the test more, the results would average out to be nearly equal. Whip impacts are absolutely devastating, in many instances involving the total collapse of the impacted area. The Scourge is also equally dangerous, but with much less one shot potential, and a quite high tendency to chip, and break bones. The Scourge is inferior in this case compared to the whip, but this is made up with an apparent higher attack frequency.
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		+	= DF2018 (0.42.12) tests =
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		+	===Steel vs Silver Warhammer Test, Unarmored (Tested by Mort Strudel)===
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		+	<u>'''Test Description:'''</u> Two dwarves on opposite teams stand several tiles apart, one equipped with a silver warhammer, one equipped with a steel warhammer. Victory was determined by the dwarf who killed the other first, regardless of whether the victor survived afterwards. This test was done to gauge whether the density difference between silver and steel warhammers has any meaningful combat effect.
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		+	Unarmored
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		+	<u>'''Times run:'''</u> 100
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		+	<u>'''Initial setup:'''</u>
		+	{\| class="wikitable sortable"
		+	\|-
		+	! Side & Creature !! Number !! Skills !! Items
		+	\|-
		+	\| #1: Dwarf \|\| 1 \|\| Skilled Hammerdwarf \|\| Silver Warhammer
		+	\|-
		+	\| #2: Dwarf \|\| 1 \|\| Skilled Hammerdwarf \|\| Steel Warhammer
		+	\|}
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		+	<u>'''Results:'''</u>
		+	{\| class="wikitable sortable"
		+	\|-
		+	! Side & Creature !! Victories
		+	\|-
		+	\| #1: Dwarf (Silver) \|\| 65
		+	\|-
		+	\| #2: Dwarf (Steel) \|\| 35
		+	\|}
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		+	<u>'''Tester's conclusion:'''</u>
		+	The 65% victory rate for silver warhammer users suggests that a meaningful advantage does exist for silver over steel warhammers. This is consistent with general community sentiments.
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		+	===Steel vs Silver Warhammer Test, Armored (Tested by Mort Strudel)===
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		+	<u>'''Test Description:'''</u> Two dwarves on opposite teams stand several tiles apart, one equipped with a silver warhammer, one equipped with a steel warhammer. Victory was determined by the dwarf who killed the other first, regardless of whether the victor survived afterwards. This test was done to gauge whether the density difference between silver and steel warhammers has any meaningful combat effect, and whether armor was a relevant factor in which warhammer material was more effective.
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		+	<u>'''Times run:'''</u> 100
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		+	<u>'''Initial setup:'''</u>
		+	{\| class="wikitable sortable"
		+	\|-
		+	! Side & Creature !! Number !! Skills !! Items
		+	\|-
		+	\| #1: Dwarf \|\| 1 \|\| Skilled Hammerdwarf \|\| Silver Warhammer, Steel Helm, Steel Breastplate, Steel Mail Shirt, 2 Steel Gauntlets, Steel Greaves, 2 Steel High Boots
		+	\|-
		+	\| #2: Dwarf \|\| 1 \|\| Skilled Hammerdwarf \|\| Steel Warhammer, Steel Helm, Steel Breastplate, Steel Mail Shirt, 2 Steel Gauntlets, Steel Greaves, 2 Steel High Boots
		+	\|}
		+
		+	<u>'''Results:'''</u>
		+	{\| class="wikitable sortable"
		+	\|-
		+	! Side & Creature !! Victories
		+	\|-
		+	\| #1: Dwarf (Silver) \|\| 68
		+	\|-
		+	\| #2: Dwarf (Steel) \|\| 32
		+	\|}
		+
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		+	<u>'''Tester's conclusion:'''</u>
		+	The victory rate of 68% for silver war hammers is not a significantly different result from the unarmored test's result of 65%. This suggests that silver warhammers are more effective than steel warhammers, and that this effect is equally true whether or not the target or armored.

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 This page on the wiki houses trials run within the game by players, with the intention of arriving at conclusions on how certain combat situations work, or just combat in general.
-If you want to know more about how to do your own testing go to the [[object testing arena|Arena]] wiki article. To learn more about the military and how it works in Dwarf Fortress, go to the [[DF2014:Military]] article.
+If you want to know more about how to do your own testing, go to the [[object testing arena|Arena]] wiki article. To learn more about the military and how it works in ''Dwarf Fortress'', go to the [[DF2014:Military]] article.
 The format in which trials are presented here is by no means a strict rule. Feel free to add and change elements but make sure the information is easy to read and understand. Try to provide any information you think is relevant and useful without digressing too much.

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	<u>'''Notes:'''</u> Both humans were placed in the central pit at opposite ends of said pit.		<u>'''Notes:'''</u> Both humans were placed in the central pit at opposite ends of said pit.
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	<u>'''Results:'''</u> From what testing that was performed, it seemed that the whip was an easy weapon to parry compared to the scourge. This might be in relation to the weapon velocity modifier, or potentially attack preparation time. It was noticed in this test that the scourge user attempted more successful attacks than the whip user. The scourge rarely "one shot" the enemy, however it did chip bones regularly against an unarmored target. The whip on the other hand, when it landed it's shots were far more devastating to the target than otherwise. Further testing will be done with different materials.		<u>'''Results:'''</u> From what testing that was performed, it seemed that the whip was an easy weapon to parry compared to the scourge. This might be in relation to the weapon velocity modifier, or potentially attack preparation time. It was noticed in this test that the scourge user attempted more successful attacks than the whip user. The scourge rarely "one shot" the enemy, however it did chip bones regularly against an unarmored target. The whip on the other hand, when it landed it's shots were far more devastating to the target than otherwise. Further testing will be done with different materials.

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 | #2: Human Male || 9 || None || Tired || Upper spine shattered in the one instance of death, suffocation.
 |}
 <u>'''Results:'''</u> From what testing that was performed, it seemed that the whip was an easy weapon to parry compared to the scourge. This might be in relation to the weapon velocity modifier, or potentially attack preparation time. It was noticed in this test that the scourge user attempted more successful attacks than the whip user. The scourge rarely "one shot" the enemy, however it did chip bones regularly against an unarmored target. The whip on the other hand, when it landed it's shots were far more devastating to the target than otherwise. Further testing will be done with different materials.