40d Talk:Soaper - Revision history

Briess: moved Talk:Broken/40d\x3aSoaper to 40d Talk:Soaper

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moved Talk:Soaper to [[Talk:40d:Soaper]]: 40d namespace migration

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Soap in the future

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Soap in the future: new section

2009-08-20T14:13:16Z

Flow of page

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Flow of page

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Flow of page: new section

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Alternate use for a soaper

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	:Sure..once it ''IS'' no longer useless ;) --[[User:Birthright\|Birthright]] 22:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)		:Sure..once it ''IS'' no longer useless ;) --[[User:Birthright\|Birthright]] 22:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
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		+	::<nods> The wiki deals with the current version only. But if you want to be in charge of that update the minute the new version comes out (''AND'' once these changes are confirmed!), that'd be great!--[[User:Albedo\|Albedo]] 23:02, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

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	Given Toady's announcement in the [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_now.html#2009-09-17 recent developments] that soap will no longer be 'useless', should we update the pages on soapers and soap? --[[User:Kaius\|Kaius]] 21:58, 18 September 2009 (UTC)		Given Toady's announcement in the [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_now.html#2009-09-17 recent developments] that soap will no longer be 'useless', should we update the pages on soapers and soap? --[[User:Kaius\|Kaius]] 21:58, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
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		+	:Sure..once it ''IS'' no longer useless ;) --[[User:Birthright\|Birthright]] 22:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

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	== Soap in the future ==		== Soap in the future ==

−	Given Toady's announcement in the [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_now.html#2009-09-17 recent developments] that soap will no longer be 'useless', should we update the pages on soapers and soap?	+	Given Toady's announcement in the [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_now.html#2009-09-17 recent developments] that soap will no longer be 'useless', should we update the pages on soapers and soap? --[[User:Kaius\|Kaius]] 21:58, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

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	The whole hard to make (and resource waste) is actually missing, but then again this is the soaper page, not the [[soap]] page. --[[User:Birthright\|Birthright]] 14:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)		The whole hard to make (and resource waste) is actually missing, but then again this is the soaper page, not the [[soap]] page. --[[User:Birthright\|Birthright]] 14:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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		+	== Soap in the future ==
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		+	Given Toady's announcement in the [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_now.html#2009-09-17 recent developments] that soap will no longer be 'useless', should we update the pages on soapers and soap?

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 c) therefore soapers often move into the military.
 Surely b) argues against a) and c) - that is to say, despite it having no quality modifier and requiring a lot of effort to produce, and despite many soapers going straight into the military, it is still worth having one for fast production of megabeast soap. Thoughts please? --[[User:Zooeyglass|Zooeyglass]] 13:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
-:Not quite. The argument runs:  a) soap is mostly ''useless'' and has no quality modifier, so don't make any. b) any dwarf is equally competent to make soap cos no quality is produced, megabeast tallow is rare, time not a factor. c) In very special situations soap is very valuable and is a good use of (megabeast) fat c) therefore soapers often move into the military, cos you dont need one, any dwarf will do.
+:Not quite. The argument runs:  a) soap is mostly ''useless'' and has no quality modifier, so don't make any. b) any dwarf is equally competent to make soap cos no quality is produced, megabeast tallow is rare, time not a factor. c) In very special situations soap is very valuable and is a good use of (megabeast) fat d) therefore soapers often move into the military, cos you dont need a dedicated one, any dwarf will do.
 The whole hard to make (and resource waste) is actually missing, but then again this is the soaper page, not the [[soap]] page. --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 14:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

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	c) therefore soapers often move into the military.		c) therefore soapers often move into the military.
	Surely b) argues against a) and c) - that is to say, despite it having no quality modifier and requiring a lot of effort to produce, and despite many soapers going straight into the military, it is still worth having one for fast production of megabeast soap. Thoughts please? --[[User:Zooeyglass\|Zooeyglass]] 13:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)		Surely b) argues against a) and c) - that is to say, despite it having no quality modifier and requiring a lot of effort to produce, and despite many soapers going straight into the military, it is still worth having one for fast production of megabeast soap. Thoughts please? --[[User:Zooeyglass\|Zooeyglass]] 13:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
		+	:Not quite. The argument runs: a) soap is mostly ''useless'' and has no quality modifier, so don't make any. b) any dwarf is equally competent to make soap cos no quality is produced, megabeast tallow is rare, time not a factor. c) In very special situations soap is very valuable and is a good use of (megabeast) fat c) therefore soapers often move into the military, cos you dont need one, any dwarf will do.
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		+	The whole hard to make (and resource waste) is actually missing, but then again this is the soaper page, not the [[soap]] page. --[[User:Birthright\|Birthright]] 14:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

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	[[User:GarrieIrons\|GarrieIrons]] 05:48, 10 May 2009 (UTC)		[[User:GarrieIrons\|GarrieIrons]] 05:48, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
	:He likely was more skilled at something other than soapmaking that resulted in him making this artifact. [[User:Shardok\|Shardok]] 02:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)		:He likely was more skilled at something other than soapmaking that resulted in him making this artifact. [[User:Shardok\|Shardok]] 02:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
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		+	== Flow of page ==
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		+	I'm not sure that the page flows very well. The argument runs:
		+	a) soap is very hard to make and has no quality modifier;
		+	b) it can be very valuable and is a good use of megabeast fat;
		+	c) therefore soapers often move into the military.
		+	Surely b) argues against a) and c) - that is to say, despite it having no quality modifier and requiring a lot of effort to produce, and despite many soapers going straight into the military, it is still worth having one for fast production of megabeast soap. Thoughts please? --[[User:Zooeyglass\|Zooeyglass]] 13:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

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	So not all soapers should be drafted apparently! he is now turning out masterful+ obsidian short swords.		So not all soapers should be drafted apparently! he is now turning out masterful+ obsidian short swords.
	[[User:GarrieIrons\|GarrieIrons]] 05:48, 10 May 2009 (UTC)		[[User:GarrieIrons\|GarrieIrons]] 05:48, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
		+	:He likely was more skilled at something other than soapmaking that resulted in him making this artifact. [[User:Shardok\|Shardok]] 02:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)