40d Talk:Demand

2008-04-08T03:52:52Z

Yvain:

40d:Relationship

2008-04-07T11:35:54Z

Yvain: special relationships for king/queen

Dwarves (gods, animals) can have relationships with each other. Making and talking to friends gives happy thoughts while the death of a pet, friend, child or spouse gives unhappy ones. Spouses can have children with each other.

The following is a list of known relationships:

*Passing Acquaintance
*Long-term Acquaintance
*Friend
*Lover
*Grudge
*Spouse
*Parent
*Child
*Sibling
*Deity

There are several additional special relationship listed for the king/queen and their consort and advisor. The dwarves listed in these relationships are not present in the fortress.
*Uncle/Aunt
*Cousin
*Paternal & Maternal Grandparents

==Influences==
It is unknown whether skills such as conversationalist, intimidator, pacifier, comedian, negotiator, flatterer, consoler, persuader, or judge of intent play a role in relationships, but is suspected that dwarves with vastly different personalities (such as a confident, selfless person vs a nervous-but-arrogant one) will form grudges, while dwarves with similar personalities will form friendships.

40d Talk:King

2008-04-07T11:26:28Z

Yvain: /* King Vs Population Cap */ king wins :)

Got the king tonight. Unsure of the trigger; had missed two prior dwarf caravans due to sieges. Had population 37 and fortress value about 1.3 million when he arrived. His fellow immigrants raised the population to 63 immediately afterward. My first wiki page, let me know what I did wrong :) [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:29, 15 November 2007 (EST)
:I had him arrive under similar conditions recently: Population of around 40, high overall fortress value(~6 million) and three past sieges.[[User:Killtheimpostor!|Killtheimpostor!]] 19:53, 15 November 2007 (EST)
::Have either of you reached adamantine? -- [[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]] 20:33, 15 November 2007 (EST)
:::I had only my 7 dwarves when i reached adamantine by sheer dumb luck, and then the king arrived with 22 immigrants. Adamantine has to have something to do with it. [[User:abattur|abattur]]
:::There was some discussion elsewhere, and apparently the 'King arrives dressed as a peasant' in previous versions meant you'd found adamantine but not met other criteria of having the king arrive. And yes, I had found adamantine. So once we figure out the criteria for a non-adamantine visit, we should redo and expand the page. And never demean the value of pure dumb luck! [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 02:23, 16 November 2007 (EST)

I never understood what the dressed as a peasent thing refers to. Is he not the king at first? Or does he simply arrive with poor clothing and then immediately get the best clothing from the fort? --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 11:34, 16 November 2007 (EST)

:maybe he is trying to sneak into the fortress? --[[User:Fedaykin|Fedaykin]] 13:53, 16 November 2007 (EST)

::Maybe he's embarrassed to move to a fort that doesn't meet royal standards (as perceived by The People(TM)), but he knows it'll soon be filthy rich with all that adamantine? -[[User:EarthquakeDamage|EarthquakeDamage]] 14:46, 16 November 2007 (EST)

I'm at 1.5M Created Wealth, 337k imported, 116k exported, 165 population, and 23,000 silver coins. The baroness has turned into the duchess, and I have a new noble: "The Incoming King". When I get details of him, it mentions how much archecture I have vs needed (Desired 10k, Current: 101k), Road Value (7.5k vs 280), and Offerings (5000 vs 0). Presumably the Offerings are to the Dwarven caravan. Road value seems easy to get up, each glass square is worth 40 bucks. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 21:50, 18 November 2007 (EST)

I'm at 317K created wealth, 283k imported, 61k exported, 146 population, no coins. We recently turned into a duchy and now have "The Incoming King" as well. He wants 15k architecture (we have 108k), 5k road (we have 1182), and 5k offerings (We have 0). Breakdown of created wealth: 9.6k weapons, 0 armor and garb, 45k furniture, 130k other objects, 111k architecture, 19k displayed, 9.9k held/worn. --[[User:SL|SL]] 10:51, 20 November 2007 (EST)

What happens when you get the king and abandon your fort? --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 03:35, 22 November 2007 (EST)
: Your fort shows up as the "Mountainhome" for the civ when you find it in adventure mode. When asking people of that civ about the capital, they say "There is no capital." --[[User:Rabek|Rabek]] 03:04, 1 February 2008 (EST)

Just to confirm how this works: Once you get promoted to a Duchy, you must meet the three requirements given by the Incoming King noble. Road value, Architecture value and Offerings (to dwarven caravans). The offering takes a while to get to the king, but once the requirements are met, you should get a king in the next wave of immigrants. --[[User:Starfisher|Starfisher]] 18:07, 12 December 2007 (EST)

So if, uh, totally hypothetically, my King went Stark Raving Mad due to his room not being up to snuff and died naked and thirsty, will I ever get another King? [[User:Viper1969|Viper1969]] 14:42, 17 January 2008 (EST)

==Accompaning Nobles ==
Who arrives with the king other than the [[Advisor]]?
Who oth
: I did not get an advisor with my Queen. Although she came with the discovery of adamantine. --[[User:Mitchy|Mitchy]] 08:17, 17 January 2008 (EST)
:: A consort, like most nobles... about four Royal guards, if I remember properly... and an assortment of peasants. Only peasants. I'm assuming they're all spouses of the guards/king/advisor/consort, but I'm too lazy to really look into that. [[User:Rabek|Rabek]] 03:02, 1 February 2008 (EST)

==Addy King==
(Moved from article page --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 17:56, 31 January 2008 (EST))
 
From my experience so far, he's not made a single demand what so ever (other than his room, etc). Admittedly it hasn't been that long (4th year of the fort, King was 1st immigrant), but I've had time to mine every tile of addy on the map that's safe to dig (and then a couple). Bonus? Bug? —Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] ([[User talk:Draco18s|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Draco18s|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}

== Do I want this guy? ==

im ALMOST at the requirements to get the king. But the nobles i have are already anoying enough, why do i want this king? --[[User:Wafl|Wafl]]

:erg. *shudders at the grammar*
:AFAIK, the king serves no purpose other than to challenge you. So, no. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 18:39, 5 February 2008 (EST)

:Every times I get a king (adamantine king actually), the dwarven liaison won't come any longer.
:Quite anoying on fortresses relying on an external source of flux. --[[User:Yag|Yag]]

== King Vs Population Cap ==
I'm at my population cap (actually just over due to births). I've meet all the requirements for the Incoming King. Will he still come? [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 02:40, 6 April 2008 (EDT)
:He came with a few regular immigrants, several guards and a consort pushing my population past 210. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 07:26, 7 April 2008 (EDT)

40d:Challenges

2008-04-07T10:10:40Z

Yvain: updated challenge builds link

''This article was originally taken from the DF forums thread [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001269 "Goal-Based Dwarf Fortress"].''

The general goal of [[Fortress Mode]] is to survive, acquire wealth, defend your wealth, and become the capital of your civilization. However, many players eventually experiment with [[Challenge Builds|challenge builds]] or other goals. These are some goals to attempt or use as inspiration.

== Howdy neighbors ==

Build your fortress on a site with a [[goblin]] fort or other race. Dig in and take over their town.

== Human "alliance" ==

Start a game centered on a human town. Build a wall around the town in stone, using a mine under the town. Do not take anything from the town, though the human guards will probably help with any sieges. For an extra challenge after finishing the wall, dig down to the [[aquifer]] and flood the town.

== Stealth ==

Create a hidden outpost close to a goblin lair. Impact the outside as minimally as possible - dig down right away, and deconstruct the wagon ASAP. No building outside or even going outside. Once your army is ready, launch a surprise attack.

== Temple ==

Designing a temple to Armok. Aesthetics count - the god will be very angry if there are no stained-glass windows and domed ceilings carved with frescoes. To gain more favor, make regular sacrifices and keep the fountains and rivers red with [[Blood|blood]].

== The great brewery ==
Disaster has struck the kingdom. A strangely glowing [[Fire|‼]]<nowiki></nowiki>peasant[[Fire|‼]] visited the greatest brewery of the empire, and as a result the whole thing exploded. No time for weeping — create its successor, a fort dedicated to alcohol production, and get the alcohol supplies flowing! Try to make the widest variety possible, and give or trade it to the dwarven [[caravan]] each year.

== Castle ==
Build a castle, greater than anything built by human, elf or dwarf. Note that this is VERY time
consuming if you want it to be a good castle. There must be floor indoors, and no underground
constructions exept for mining operations and cellars. For an even greater challenge, build
a gigantic tower in the middle, where the nobles stay.

== Wealth ==

The kingdom's coffers need lining, so hop to! Found a fort and start accumulating wealth as fast as possible. Attain as high a fortress value as possible, and make most of your wealth into coins for the vault. Try to beat your record for one year, two years, or five years.

== Artifact ==

There are rumors that a haunted locale was once home to a legendary artifact crafter. No one has returned with any of his artifacts, but they were not as dedicated as your dwarves - you're staying until you can claim an artifact! Found a fort in a haunted or terrifying location and survive until a dwarf successfully crafts an artifact via possession.

== Assassination ==

Your group of seven has been chosen to assault a goblin fortress - and you're not getting any backup. Turn off immigration, and try to slay the goblin leader and escape without casualties. For extra challenge, bring no picks.

== Biodome ==

All material, seeds, food, tools, and dwarves must be in the fortress within one year. Then, seal up the entrance. Any new immigrants, well, they might be in trouble. Survive for as long as possible!

== Retirement resort ==

Build a dwarven paradise, free from labor. All peasant immigrants should be removed from every job, including hauling, and given a great place to live. Make sure to include fun activities and plenty of parties.

== Sparta ==

Maintain a military of at least 50% of your dwarves; only use bronze melee weapons (no crossbows). Use no traps, and kill any maimed dwarf. Seek out military conflict with all non-Greek...er, non-dwarves.

== Commune ==

All your dwarves have all labors enabled. Dwarves sleep only in barracks, and no dwarf, including administrators, can be assigned any personal rooms. If the nobles find this upsetting, don't hesitate to make the corridors run red with the [[Blood|blood]] of the bourgeoisie. Obviously, don't mint any coins either. (Dwarves can take turns with wood cutting and mining, since they can't have both at once.)

== Glass fortress ==

Anything that can be made out of [[glass]], will be made only from glass. Doors, tables, chairs, floodgates, bridges, stairs, workshops (except the first workshops needed to make glass), you name it. Extra points for clear and crystal glass. For even more challenge, build it entirely above ground with glass walls and windows.

A similar challenge could be done with metal or wood.

== Underwater fortress ==

Encase your entire fortress in [[water]]! Your fortress should be watersealed, and surrounded by water against all [[wall]]s. Water should be covering the top of your fortress as well.
You can achieve this by diverting a lots of water, or digging into a frozen lake. 
Bonus: Build all water-touching walls/roof in clear glass! 
Alternative: Use [[magma]] instead of water!
Alternative: Build it in the [[Ocean]]

== Mountain audit/core sample ==

Start in a mountainous area and strip mine everything down, down, down to ground level. Stockpile everything, and calculate the mountain's composition. For kicks, try not excavating one tile on each z-level. You'll be left with one enormous core sample.

== Single dwarf challenge ==

One dwarf. Bring only a set of [[armor]], a [[weapon]], and a few meat. Spend time working on fighting skills. Fight off enemies by yourself. No [[workshops]], pets, [[farming]], [[fishing]], gathering, or digging.

Also known as "[[Adventure Mode]]".

== Hippy challenge ==

Peace, man. Don't harm any plants except those you plant yourself. Don't cut down any trees, and don't trade for logs with the filthy humans or dwarves who do. You can trade for plants with the elves, they understand your environmental code. Don't burn any coal, do you know what that does to the environment, man? Never cause any creature's death, so no military, and no lethal traps. You can use cage traps, and either tame the creatures you catch, or release them back into the wild, far from your fort.

For an extra challenge try this in an area with a goblin fort or cave.

== Segregation ==

Make two separate,working, independent fortresses. All the men go in one, all the women in the other.

== No singles ==

As soon as you get a married couple with an immigration wave, kill all single dwarves. Continue to do so with all immigration waves. Try to lose no children.
OR: kill all children and try to deal with the tantruming parents. In that case: no legendary dining rooms/statue gardens/zoo's allowed.

== Santa Claus ==
Get ten thousand toys built and offered to caravans yearly. Optionally, build ten thousand toys, fetch them in adventure mode and deliver them to every single city of the world.

== Unwelcome Guests ==
Live in a goblin tower without being noticed by the residents.

== How high can you go? ==
Construction, construction, construction! Just how big a tower can you build? Out of glass maybe, crystal glass? Steel? Pump water to the top? Make your tower a ''pinnacle'' of achievement and stun humans, elves and goblins alike- for they know nothing of construction and engineering like dwarves do!

== Computing ==
Can your dwarves build the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism Antikythera mechanism]? Can you program the fortress to play tic-tac-toe? More details at [[computing]].

== No Rocks ==

The new king has decided rocks and metals can no longer be used in construction. He'll be overthrown shortly, but in the meantime construct your fortress using only wood.

== Amusement Park ==

Everyone knows to get rich you need tourists. So make an amusement park for adventurers. In the usual dwarven fashion. Meaning, deadly.

== Rescue Facility ==

Make a rescue facility for dogs and cats. Meaning, amass a ton of them and use them as your only trade good. No war/hunting dogs either.

==Cave Fortress==

Build your entire fortress out of a cave, that means having your stockpile in the cave, you may expand the cave but for a bit more of a challenge, dont modify any of the cave.

[[Category:Guides]]

40d Talk:Cage

2008-04-06T12:29:09Z

Yvain:

2008-03-29T23:49:10Z

Yvain: Verified some embarrassed-ness

'''Liaisons''' are emissaries from different civilizations that accompany traders to your fortress. They can have different names ([[Humans]] will send a '''guild representative''', dwarves will send an '''outpost liaison'''), but their functions are the same. They will speak only with your [[expedition leader]]/[[mayor]] (not broker) and ask which goods you would like to have sent with their next caravan (for a higher price), and inform you what goods they would like to buy from you the next time, which they too will pay extra to purchase.

If your leader is dead, then you must assign a new one using the {{k|n}} screen before the liaison arrives or he/she will leave without a [[meeting]].

Make sure to turn off all labor for the dwarf who needs to meet with the liaison, even the 'harvest all order', because your leader tends to walk away from the meeting and liaisons will eventually get [[insanity|depressed]] or go [[berserk]] if they do not get their meeting. This also causes a message saying "A trader went away unhappy" although it's unknown if this has any current in-game effect.

If you are desperate to complete a meeting, consider locking the [[door]] on the meeting room until the meeting is complete. You don't even have to catch both in the office, the liaison is so keen on his burocratics, he will happily shout through the door. A sleeping dwarf leader can be woken up by deconstructing his [[bed]], althoug this will often generate an unhapy thought.

The meeting can take place before, after and even "during", that is, between, trading sessions.

The meeting usually consists of 8 screens with breaks, the breaks giving your leader a welcome opportunity to walk away from the meeting. Don't think you are done until the liaison confirms it and says farewell!

The entry point on the map for a liaison is determined before that of the caravan wagons. This can result in the liaison taking a different route to your fortress than the rest of the caravan if the route chosen is not suitable for wagons; the wagons will then enter from a different spot. This means the diplomat has to travel unprotected but this is really the only downside to forcing the wagons to use one particular route. The liaison will then also leave without the caravan once the meeting is done.

Conducting a meeting in a public place can generate an unhappy. Conducting a meeting in the leader's private office can generate a happy thought based on the quality of the room{{verify}}.

Oddly enough, liaisons don't need to eat, drink or sleep. There is a statement from one of our mayors on this:

Ironblood: "This damn human thingy keeps following me around, suckling on me when I pause for too long. I think it's a foreign custom, but I dare not emulate. He's all disgusting and clean. Though his clothes are almost completely rotted off..."

[[Category:Trade]]

40d Talk:Liaison

Yvain:

40d Talk:World generation

2008-03-21T07:52:49Z

Yvain:

If you guys can think of anything to add to this, let me know. [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 19:58, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

:I would suggest changing the region numbers to 101-107 etc, as they're unlikely to be already used, and most pregen maps (packs and non-packs) are unlikely to ever use that range either. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 23:01, 3 January 2008 (EST)

Oh yeah, and I can't get the last graphic to show, even though it exists. [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 20:17, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

It took me *way* too long to figure out, but I know why the last picture isnt showing. It has "ad" in the URL, and you are using AdBlock.
:Thank you, anonymous. :)

From my own little experiments, it looks like the /wait commands aren't needed. There may be a difference in OS here, but under Windows XP Home SP2, I can create a .bat file with

dwarfort.exe -gen 1

dwarfort.exe -gen 2

right after the other. When one creation ends, the window closes and the next begins. The two [RANDOM]s aren't required, either. If the .bat is in the same folder as your executable, you don't have to go through the whole "C:\df\whatever" tree, either. [[User:Mephisto|Mephisto]] 16:08, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:Well, like I said, it's for you to use or modify if necessary. I know that it will be compatible on all copies of XP and beyond... I don't care to bother and check what version of XP I have, but the batch program will not function correctly unless I use the /wait commands. Obviously you wouldn't need to include the directory of the files, unless you ran it from the desktop. Some good observations, nonetheless. [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 22:15, 5 December 2007 (EST)

::I just tried this without the "start /wait" part, and it didn't work for me (Win XP SP1) - it generates only one map, then stops. Leave the code as it is.--[[User:Siliziumleben|Siliziumleben]] 21:32, 2 January 2008 (EST)

::Like it more this way. If you'll have any problems with 'wait's, just add it.--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 01:42, 11 January 2008 (EST)

i dont get seeds.. sure theyre not random... but what do they do? a list of different seeds and what they create? [[User:Twiggie|Twiggie]] 10:16, 5 December 2007 (EST)

seeds define the world that is generated; unless you want a world that somebody else has generated, then using the 'random seed' option will give you a more-or-less random map, (don't be confused by all the pseudorandom stuff, it's random enough -_-) well, I doubt anybody has a list of pregenerated worlds and their seeds, but I think it'd be better to create your own. There'll be areas with low difficulty and areas with high difficulty, so there's no problem there.
[[User:Jc100|Jc100]] 06:18, 12 December 2007 (EST)

On random seeds... It is very difficult to make a number that is truly random on a computer. Instead of doing something like hooking up a Geiger counter and a source[http://www.imagesco.com/geiger/geiger-counter-kits.html#rngad] to generate a pseudo random number, you pick a starting point - a seed. You can run this number through a function[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mersenne_twister] and get another number. This new number is returned and used in the next iteration. This is a pseudo random number sequence[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudorandom_number_generator]. One of the things that is useful about a pseudo random number sequence is that it is deterministic - if you start with the same seed, you will get the same random numbers. Thus, when you use the seed someone has provided, you will get the same world generated. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 17:26, 29 February 2008 (EST)

[[Image:Pocket example.png]] 
With v0.27.176.38c, in world generation you can now select the size of the world. For example - a pocket world (above) - thats it, thats the whole thing. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 17:26, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:Yeh this page needs some updating for v0.27.176.38c. What seed did you use to generate that Shagie? All pocket worlds I generate have 10,000's of rejects and I give up. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 03:07, 21 March 2008 (EDT)
::Hmm seems some options I changed meant I couldn't generate pocket worlds. It worked fine with a fresh copy so I'll have to check what exact changes I had made which prevented it. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 03:52, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:World generation

2008-03-21T07:10:59Z

Yvain:

40d Talk:World generation

2008-03-21T07:07:29Z

Yvain: page needs update to current version

If you guys can think of anything to add to this, let me know. [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 19:58, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

:I would suggest changing the region numbers to 101-107 etc, as they're unlikely to be already used, and most pregen maps (packs and non-packs) are unlikely to ever use that range either. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 23:01, 3 January 2008 (EST)

Oh yeah, and I can't get the last graphic to show, even though it exists. [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 20:17, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

It took me *way* too long to figure out, but I know why the last picture isnt showing. It has "ad" in the URL, and you are using AdBlock.
:Thank you, anonymous. :)

From my own little experiments, it looks like the /wait commands aren't needed. There may be a difference in OS here, but under Windows XP Home SP2, I can create a .bat file with

dwarfort.exe -gen 1

dwarfort.exe -gen 2

right after the other. When one creation ends, the window closes and the next begins. The two [RANDOM]s aren't required, either. If the .bat is in the same folder as your executable, you don't have to go through the whole "C:\df\whatever" tree, either. [[User:Mephisto|Mephisto]] 16:08, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:Well, like I said, it's for you to use or modify if necessary. I know that it will be compatible on all copies of XP and beyond... I don't care to bother and check what version of XP I have, but the batch program will not function correctly unless I use the /wait commands. Obviously you wouldn't need to include the directory of the files, unless you ran it from the desktop. Some good observations, nonetheless. [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 22:15, 5 December 2007 (EST)

::I just tried this without the "start /wait" part, and it didn't work for me (Win XP SP1) - it generates only one map, then stops. Leave the code as it is.--[[User:Siliziumleben|Siliziumleben]] 21:32, 2 January 2008 (EST)

::Like it more this way. If you'll have any problems with 'wait's, just add it.--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 01:42, 11 January 2008 (EST)

i dont get seeds.. sure theyre not random... but what do they do? a list of different seeds and what they create? [[User:Twiggie|Twiggie]] 10:16, 5 December 2007 (EST)

seeds define the world that is generated; unless you want a world that somebody else has generated, then using the 'random seed' option will give you a more-or-less random map, (don't be confused by all the pseudorandom stuff, it's random enough -_-) well, I doubt anybody has a list of pregenerated worlds and their seeds, but I think it'd be better to create your own. There'll be areas with low difficulty and areas with high difficulty, so there's no problem there.
[[User:Jc100|Jc100]] 06:18, 12 December 2007 (EST)

On random seeds... It is very difficult to make a number that is truly random on a computer. Instead of doing something like hooking up a Geiger counter and a source[http://www.imagesco.com/geiger/geiger-counter-kits.html#rngad] to generate a pseudo random number, you pick a starting point - a seed. You can run this number through a function[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mersenne_twister] and get another number. This new number is returned and used in the next iteration. This is a pseudo random number sequence[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudorandom_number_generator]. One of the things that is useful about a pseudo random number sequence is that it is deterministic - if you start with the same seed, you will get the same random numbers. Thus, when you use the seed someone has provided, you will get the same world generated. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 17:26, 29 February 2008 (EST)

[[Image:Pocket example.png]] 
With v0.27.176.38c, in world generation you can now select the size of the world. For example - a pocket world (above) - thats it, thats the whole thing. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 17:26, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:Yeh this page needs some updating for v0.27.176.38c. Has anyone managed to create a pocket sized world? All mine generate 10,000's of rejects and I give up. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 03:07, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Pregenerated worlds

2008-03-21T07:05:07Z

Yvain: query - pocket sized worlds impossible?

40d Talk:Well

2008-03-21T06:36:43Z

Yvain: /* 1x1 Well */

Where can these be constructed? only near an aquifer?--[[User:Alc|Alc]] 14:16, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Open space probably refers to just that - a dug-out space below it that leads to water. Will have to test, though. --[[User:Tracker|Tracker]] 15:54, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

Does it need to be a channel all the way down, on all levels below the well, or can you have normal floor below it all the way down to water? Can you put one well directly above another well, and have them both work (if there's water below)? --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 15:56, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
: yes.no.no.--[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 12:27, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Has it been verified that you need water down there? --[[User:Mitchy|Mitchy]] 11:22, 8 November 2007 (EST)
:yes.--[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 12:27, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Does anyone know if it is okay to have a well like this? 
(side view)
<pre>
_W_
| | <-- Empty space between water and well
|~| <-- Water down here
---
</pre>
--[[User:Delton|Delton]] 16:07, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Confirmed that the above is a functional well.
--[[User:Delton|Delton]] 07:52, 19 November 2007 (EST)

==Potential Problem==
As of v0.27.176.38a, when using an artificaly created well (by designating a 'Pond' zone and having dwarves fill it), it is posible that dwarves will take water from the well in order to fill the pond which feeds the well, acomplishing nothing. To correct this, examine the items contained in the well by pressing 't', then forbid the bucket and rope contained in the well. This will stop dwarves from taking water from the well and allow you to fill it. You can then reclaim the bucket and rope to make the well usable again.

Should this be in the article?

[[User:Duo|Duo]] March 11th 2008

== Flooding? ==

Gah! Why do my wells keep flooding? How can I prevent this? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 06:08, 26 November 2007 (EST)

-- Well ... if you did it like I did [http://www.vaevictus.net/images/bucket_full.png (lol)], you lost to backpressure. i filled from a reservoir that was taller than my well floor. (and it was attached to a brook. :) I'm working on using a floodgate and pressure plate to regulate water levels. [[User:Vaevictus|Vaevictus]] 11:30, 20 December 2007 (EST)

== Fair Warning ==

Whatever you do, don't let a barracks area overlap any of your wells. Military dwarves can and will fall in if they're sparring next to it. Ah well, I didn't want that full set of bismuth bronze armor anyway. -- [[User:Vanst|Vanst]] 08:39, 26 December 2007 (EST)

== Grates and Buckets ==

Buckets don't pass through grates, in the well construct. That means a well with a grate halfway will become dry. I had 2/7 water above the grate (and 5 levels of 7/7 water under it), but it was not enough. [[User:Wlievens|Wlievens]] 07:24, 23 January 2008 (EST)

== flood? ==

I have a <s>lake</s> murky pool outside(reaching down one more z level). On the same level i want to construct a well inside. can i just build a channel, thus tap the lake on the lower z level and then build a well on top of the end of the channel? or do i need one more level free space? If i can, will the water flood my outpost or will it stop on floor level? would it help if i tapped the lake one more level down? --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 17:12, 8 February 2008 (EST)
:So long as the well is at or above the level of the pond you will have no problem. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 23:11, 11 February 2008 (EST)
:: It worked fine. Now however the murky pool is dry, so i built a new one tapping the river. ;) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 13:53, 22 February 2008 (EST)

== Using Buckets? ==
I'm having a hard time getting my dwarfs to use their new well. I...
* Dug a Channel with water beneath it.
* Designated a drinking zone beside it.
** The dwarfs now drink from the channel.
** Loo{{k|k}}ing at the space they're drinking from says Open Space
* Created Blocks, Bucket, Rope
* {{k|b}}uild we{{k|l}}l over the water beside the drinking designation.

Now what happened was I got a massive flood of messages saying something like "XXX Cancelled Drinking: No Bucket at well"

So I went and built another Bucket, and now I have 2 buckets sitting in my finished goods stockpile, and nobody who's willing to drink from the well. How do I instruct the lazy dwarves to go and get the bucket and use it with the well?

[[User:Zeidrich|Zeidrich]] 15:15, 29 February 2008 (EST)

: Why do you need them to use the well? As far as I know, the only time having a well is useful is when the injured need water. Even then, I strongly suspect that people can just drink from the river. --[[User:Shadow archmagi|Shadow archmagi]] 16:02, 29 February 2008 (EST)

:: Well, I want them to use a well because I built it! It looks prettier than drinking out of the stream. I'm pretty sure they get bad thoughts when they drink directly out of the stream. In this particular circumstance I was short on brewable supplies and I had a bunch of thirsty dwarves. Regardless of whether or not I should necessarily be using a well, I would like know ''how'' to use it.-- [[User:Zeidrich|Zeidrich]] 18:37, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:::Well, I believe that the well is *'''built'''* with a bucket, since you require one for construction. If it's really not there for whatever reason, then you may want to rebuild the well(and make sure that furniture hauling orders are ON), and if that doesn't fix it, then i think this is a bug and should be reported to the Toady One, along with the save. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 05:22, 1 March 2008 (EST)
::::Yes, the bucket for 'normal' drinking is built into the well. U only need extra buckets to fill a pond or give water to a resting dwarf. Check with the q-menu if the well is even finished.--[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 12:27, 1 March 2008 (EST)
:::::Nope, not a bug. I figured out what it was. Apparantly my architect was far too busy tilling soil and hauling rocks to go and gather the rope and the bucket and connect them to the well. So while I had all of the materials, and the well looked complete, it was actually waiting for construction. I think I was just confused by the message as my dwarves were trying to drink from it before it was ready. [[User:Zeidrich|Zeidrich]] 11:54, 3 March 2008 (EST)

== Another Fair Warning ==
Dwarves don't even need to spar to fall into wells, they will generally not avoid walking over a well tile. This will result in the warning "X cancels...dangerous terrain" followed by dropping in anyway. The last bloody fool who dropped in seems to have been gobbling away at his food while walking, down the shaft among his gear i found 1 dwarven sugar roast. I mean, i know my sugar roast is delicious, but can you please sit down first like any goodmannered dwarf? How will I ever clean up that bloody mess you left in our water supply? --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:24, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

== 1x1 Well ==
Does anyone have a good plan for digging a deep, unconnected 1x1 well? I'm currently thinking about trying something like this design, side view:
<pre>
_W_
| | <-- Empty space between water and well
| | <-- Empty space between water and well
| | <-- Empty space between water and well
| | <-- Opening room
|~~~| <-- Water down here
---
</pre>

It would be built like below, with a level pulled to knockout the support. Would the center collapse leaving a nice shaft?
<pre>
_ _
|r| <-- Ramp down
|r| <-- Ramp down
|r| <-- Ramp down
| X | <-- stairwelldown
| S | <-- Support. Water will be down here, but starts out dry?
---
</pre>
[[User:Tulthix|Tulthix]] 12:49, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

:It won't fall down as the ramps still have support from the adjacent stone/walls. I've been trying to figure out how to make a 1x1 shaft too but haven't had much luck. When getting the dwarves to build ramps on top of each other they do build a shaft downwards but after a certain depth the pathfinding seems to get confused and they stop. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 02:36, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

40d:Legendary artifact

2008-03-21T05:56:25Z

Yvain: press l for artifact screen

Dwarves in [[strange mood]]s will create '''legendary artifacts''': unique, "named" items which are of unsurpassable quality (and usually cost). An artifact is the ultimate expression of a dwarf's desires, fears, memories and hopes in art form, and each dwarf will produce only one in their lives (or die trying). Dwarves that create artifact are often granted the status of [[legendary]].
Dwarves drop artifacts in the [[workshop]] or in an appropriate [[stockpile]] as soon as they are made. They can then be used just like other items. However, be warned that when a dwarf equips an artifact item (as a weapon or armour) he will never drop it, and may even carry around several artifact weapons in each hand{{version|0.27.176.38c}}. Of course, you might not see a champion [[swordsdwarf]] wielding eight artifact [[adamantine]] scimitars at once as a bad thing.

Artifacts cannot be destroyed unless lost in a chasm. They ''can'' be stolen by marauding parties; an artifact lost to you will have a note to that effect in the Artifacts screen(press {{k|l}}).

==Construction==
Dwarves will use anywhere from one to ten items in their construction. If you view ({{k|q}}) the [[workshop]] a dwarf has seized while the dwarf is in it, you can see what materials he or she plans to use (see [[strange mood]]s for further details).

==Usage==
Currently, artifacts can be used just like all other items. A dwarf carrying a job item artifact, such as a pick or an axe, will use it to perform that job. A dwarf with an artifact weapon will use it to great effect in battle if drafted or forced to engage in combat.

===Quality===
Artifact items have a [[quality|quality modifier]] of 120×. This is applied on top of the item's [[item value#Base values of items|base value]], its [[decoration]]s and the value of all [[item value#Material multipliers|material]]s used in its construction. (From testing, an artifact piece of furniture will raise the value of any room to Royal, for example.)

Artifacts will automatically have one "free" decoration of the same type as its base material. For instance, a "Perfect Ruby" might have "Images of mangrove trees in Ruby". This decoration doesn't consume additional materials: in the above example, only one ruby was used.

Artifacts can range in value from 2,400☼ to well over 100,000☼ (for the curious, the limit is 648,000☼ if adamantine isn't used). Since [[immigration]] totals are based on your fortress's "Created Wealth" (and held/worn items count double in the total), expensive artifacts are commonly the driving factor behind how many immigrants show up each year.

[[Category:Items]]

40d:Relationship

2008-03-21T03:46:10Z

Yvain: added parent and sibling

Dwarves (gods, animals) can have relationships with each other. Making and talking to friends gives happy thoughts while the death of a pet, friend, child or spouse gives unhappy ones. Spouses can have children with each other.

The following is a list of known relationships:

*Passing Acquaintance
*Long-term Acquaintance
*Friend
*Lover
*Grudge
*Spouse
*Parent
*Child
*Sibling
*Deity

==Influences==
It is unknown whether skills such as conversationalist, intimidator, pacifier, comedian, negotiator, flatterer, consoler, persuader, or judge of intent play a role in relationships, but is suspected that dwarves with vastly different personalities (such as a confident, selfless person vs a nervous-but-arrogant one) will form grudges, while dwarves with similar personalities will form friendships.

40d:Demon

2008-03-21T03:23:32Z

Yvain: category spoiler added

{{spoiler}}

[[Image:Mountain_air_pocket.JPG|thumb|right|250px|Here, demons appear as red and green ampersands.]]

A Demon is an evil fast moving creature that will either severely wound or kill your [[dwarf|dwarves]] and [[animal]]s. Their attacks include projectile fireballs and hand to hand combat. Most are living and as such are especially vulnerable to weapons with high critical boost such as [[spear]]s and [[crossbow]] [[bolt]]s.

Demons are immune to [[Trap#Stone-fall_Trap|stone-fall traps]], [[Trap#Weapon_Trap|weapon traps]], [[Trap#Cage_Trap|cage traps]] and will destroy your [[door]]s and [[floodgate]]s. At least some of them are able to fly and survive under [[Water|water]] and [[Magma|magma]].

==Defenses against Demons==

The easiest way to deal with demons, of course, is the "dwarven atom smasher" - crushing demons under a [[bridge|drawbridge]] will completely destroy them (and anything else). However, this method is frequently seen as somewhat "cheap" and certainly by doing this you deny yourself one of the most fun encounters in Dwarf Fortress.{{verify}}

Demons, as large, living enemies, are somewhat susceptible to piercing damage - [[spear]] and [[arrow]]s work well. A well trained, well equipped [[speardwarf]] can mix it up with frog and [[tentacle demon]]s, however will likely not get the chance to close with a [[Spirit_of_fire|Spirit of Fire]] before being immolated by the Spirit's ranged [[fire]] attack. Spirits also lack most vital organs that spears target in any case. Spirits can be reliably brought down by [[marksdwarf|marksdwarves]], but expect losses on both sides of that matchup. You can signifigantly improve your survival rate by placing the marksdwaves behind [[fortification]]s - the incoming fireballs have a chance to not penetrate the fortifications, which is higher the farther away the demon fired from.

Finally, [[siege weapon]]s can be useful against demons. A [[ballista|Ballistae]] bolt will kill a demon, and a ballistae fired down a narrow hallway to channel the demons into your field of fire will kill several. Use [[wall]]s and fortifications to give your siege crew some protection from fireballs, and prepare a backup plan as your crew will panic and run once the demons get too close.

==Types of Demons==
'''Demon''': a "common" demon. No big special powers, just hard hitting brute force. Can control [[goblin]] tribes in adventure mode.

{{Game_Data|[CREATURE:DEMON]
[NAME:demon:demons:demonic]
[TILE:'&'][COLOR:4:0:1]
[MODVALUE:50]
[FANCIFUL][ENDING][POWER]
[FIREBREATH][FIREIMMUNE][LIKES_FIGHTING][MAGMA_VISION]
[FLIER]
[TRAPAVOID][CAN_LEARN][CAN_SPEAK]
[GENPOWER:5]
[BLOODTYPE:0]
[BUTCHERABLE_NONSTANDARD][EVIL]
[BUILDINGDESTROYER:2]
[NOFEAR][NOEXERT]
[CANOPENDOORS]
[PREFSTRING:terrifying features]
[BODY:HUMANOID:TAIL:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:HUMANOID_JOINTS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:5FINGERS:5TOES:MOUTH]
[SIZE:16]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:MOUTH:bite:bites:1:6:BURN][ATTACKFLAG_CANLATCH]
[ATTACK:SECOND:BYTYPE:GRASP:punch:punches:1:2:BLUDGEON][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
[NO_DRINK][NO_EAT][NO_SLEEP]
[EQUIPS]
[FAT:3]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
[STANDARD_FLESH]
[HOMEOTHERM:10095]
[SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
[PERSONALITY:ANXIETY:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:DEPRESSION:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:SELF_CONSCIOUSNESS:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:VULNERABILITY:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:FRIENDLINESS:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:ASSERTIVENESS:100:100:100]
[PERSONALITY:CHEERFULNESS:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:TRUST:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:STRAIGHTFORWARDNESS:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:ALTRUISM:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:COOPERATION:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:SYMPATHY:0:0:0]
[SPHERE:FIRE]
[SPHERE:DEATH]
[SPHERE:TORTURE]
}}

'''[[Frog Demon]]''': Arguably the easiest demon. Powerful combatant and can swim.

{{Game_Data|[CREATURE:FROG_DEMON]
[NAME:frog demon:frog demons:frog demon]
[TILE:'&'][COLOR:2:0:1]
[MODVALUE:20]
[FANCIFUL][DEFENDER]
[TRAPAVOID][CAN_LEARN][CAN_SPEAK][FIREIMMUNE]
[AMPHIBIOUS][UNDERSWIM]
[LIKES_FIGHTING]
[GENPOWER:5]
[BLOODTYPE:0]
[CANOPENDOORS]
[BUTCHERABLE_NONSTANDARD][EVIL]
[BUILDINGDESTROYER:2]
[NOFEAR][NOEXERT]
[PREFSTRING:impressive bellies]
[BODY:HUMANOID:2EYES:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:HUMANOID_JOINTS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:4FINGERS:4TOES:MOUTH]
[SIZE:12]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:MOUTH:bite:bites:1:6:GORE][ATTACKFLAG_CANLATCH]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:GRASP:punch:punches:1:2:BLUDGEON][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
[NO_DRINK][NO_EAT][NO_SLEEP]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
[NO_GENDER]
[STANDARD_FLESH]
[SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
[PERSONALITY:FRIENDLINESS:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:CHEERFULNESS:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:TRUST:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:STRAIGHTFORWARDNESS:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:ALTRUISM:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:COOPERATION:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:SYMPATHY:0:0:0]
[SPHERE:MUCK]
[SPHERE:WATER]
[HOMEOTHERM:10040]
}}

'''[[Tentacle Demon]]''': Corrupt intentions.

{{Game_Data|[CREATURE:TENTACLE_DEMON]
[NAME:tentacle demon:tentacle demons:tentacle demon]
[TILE:'&'][COLOR:5:0:1]
[MODVALUE:20]
[FANCIFUL][DEFENDER]
[TRAPAVOID][CAN_LEARN][CAN_SPEAK][FIREIMMUNE]
[LIKES_FIGHTING]
[GENPOWER:5]
[BLOODTYPE:0]
[CANOPENDOORS]
[BUTCHERABLE_NONSTANDARD][EVIL]
[BUILDINGDESTROYER:2]
[NOFEAR][NOEXERT]
[PREFSTRING:corrupt intentions]
[BODY:HUMANOID_SIMPLE:SIX_TENTACLES:2EYES:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:5FINGERS:5TOES:MOUTH]
[SIZE:12]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:MOUTH:bite:bites:1:6:GORE][ATTACKFLAG_CANLATCH]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:GRASP:punch:punches:1:2:BLUDGEON][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTOKEN:RUTC:stab:stabs:1:3:PIERCE][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTOKEN:LUTC:stab:stabs:1:3:PIERCE][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTOKEN:RMTC:stab:stabs:1:3:PIERCE][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTOKEN:LMTC:stab:stabs:1:3:PIERCE][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTOKEN:RLTC:stab:stabs:1:3:PIERCE][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTOKEN:LLTC:stab:stabs:1:3:PIERCE][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
[NO_DRINK][NO_EAT][NO_SLEEP]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
[MALE]
[STANDARD_FLESH]
[HOMEOTHERM:10069]
[SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
[PERSONALITY:IMMODERATION:100:100:100]
[PERSONALITY:FRIENDLINESS:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:CHEERFULNESS:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:TRUST:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:STRAIGHTFORWARDNESS:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:ALTRUISM:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:COOPERATION:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:SYMPATHY:0:0:0]
[SPHERE:DEPRAVITY]
[SPHERE:THRALLDOM]
}}

'''[[Spirit_of_fire|Spirit of Fire]]''': Arguably the hardest demon. Cannot swim, launches fireballs, is surrounded by fire, a powerful combatant, and can fly. Limbs sever when broken.

{{Game_Data|[CREATURE:SPIRIT_OF_FIRE]
[NAME:spirit of fire:spirits of fire:spirit of fire]
[TILE:'&'][COLOR:6:0:1]
[FLIER]
[MODVALUE:20]
[FANCIFUL][DEFENDER]
[TRAPAVOID][CAN_LEARN][CAN_SPEAK]
[FIREBREATH][FIREIMMUNE][LIKES_FIGHTING][MAGMA_VISION]
[GENPOWER:5]
[BLOODTYPE:0]
[CANOPENDOORS]
[NOT_BUTCHERABLE][EVIL]
[NOPAIN][EXTRAVISION][NOBREATHE][NOBLEED][NOSTUN][NONAUSEA][NOEMOTION][RECKLESS]
[NOSTUCKINS][SEVERONBREAKS][NOSKULL][NOSKIN][NOBONES][NOMEAT][NOTHOUGHT][NOEXERT]
[BUILDINGDESTROYER:2]
[NOFEAR][NOEXERT]
[PREFSTRING:firey glow]
[ITEMCORPSE:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:ASH:NO_MATGLOSS]
[NOSMELLYROT]
[BODY:HUMANOID_SIMPLE]
[SIZE:11]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:GRASP:punch:punches:1:6:BURN][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
[NO_DRINK][NO_EAT][NO_SLEEP]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
[NO_GENDER]
[FIXED_TEMP:25000]
[PERSONALITY:FRIENDLINESS:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:CHEERFULNESS:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:TRUST:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:STRAIGHTFORWARDNESS:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:ALTRUISM:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:COOPERATION:0:0:0]
[PERSONALITY:SYMPATHY:0:0:0]
[SPHERE:FIRE]
}}
[[Category:Creatures]][[Category:Spoilers]]

40d Talk:Eerie glowing pit

2008-03-20T04:18:28Z

Yvain: /* Rewalling/Flooring */

{{spoiler}}

== The Demons ==
How powerful ARE the demons now? I gather that a pit chamber will release piles of them, but how many and how nasty are they all? Wonder if adamantine is really worth it... though if you've planned it out, I suppose it might be. Wonder how many demons a legendary dwarf warrior wielding masterwork adamantine weapons and armor could take out by himself!

: They're as nasty as they used to be. -- [[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]] 11:38, 20 November 2007 (EST)

: I had repulsed the initial wave of 1 Daemon and 7 Spirits of Fire by 5 marksdwarves and 4 axedwarves. 2 marksdwarves and 2 axedwarves were Elite in full steel chain/plate, others - on their way to it. Lost all axedwarves and 1 marksdwarf in the process. A few seasons later I thought that there weren't much more daemons and breached the pits in a new spot. By that time I had 3 Champion marksdwarves in Fortress Guard (not controllable at all :( ), ~20 wardogs, 4 other marksdwarves, 2 of which - Elite and 4 axedwarves/hammerdwarves at about 'competent' each. All the civilians (90 of them) were drafted into military with some extra weapons and no armor including ~10 miners from Legendary to novice with picks. The aftermath in the units screen is 16 dead Spirits of Fire including 7 from the initial attack, 10 live and happy Spirits of Fire with '''very''' long names, probably some more Spirits of Fire in ambush/invisible to me state and 5 recruits resting and dehydratated in remote corners of my bedroom area. There were immence lags when my stockpiles cathed fire and it were heavily lagging when I got there in adventure mode. --[[User:Another|Another]] 15:05, 20 November 2007 (EST)

: I just recently breached a pit, only to result in my entire fortress virtually being annihilated, 109 military dwarves were killed, including a Hammerlord with a legendary adamantine hammer, a mortally wounded Legendary Captain of the Guard, and the daemons lost only 50 total. --[[User:Naze|Naze]] 23:19, 12 December 2007

: I cleansed a demon pit that included exactly 30 fire spirits and a demon. I built a corridor to the chamber, filled it with spikes and chained them to a lever, with the pull lever/R action. It worked quite well despite the fact that my spikes were melt by the demons as they approached. They eventually had to go through a corridor where marksdwarves were stationned. They killed 5 marksdwarves, and some managed to enter my fortress undetected. I was VERY lucky because the fortress guard was useful! If you disable TEMPERATURE, they will be destroyed with no sweat. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 09:01, 11 January 2008 (EST)

: If you re-site your barracks to just outside the pits, then your fortress guard will find themselves joining the front line... [[User:YayTheDwarves|YayTheDwarves]] 09:58, 11 January 2008 (EST)

== Magma mini-pipes/vents? ==
Are the magma bits considered unconnected, and thus will cool to obsidian, or are they in effect pipes/vents and will refill via the new code? --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 23:29, 26 February 2008 (EST)
:there is no such thing as disconnected magma solidifying. that was added for some reason by someone to the wiki a long time ago but is incorrect. magma that is not connected anything will stay magma forever. the only way to turn it into obsidian is by adding water -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 05:15, 27 February 2008 (EST)

== Rewalling/Flooring ==
If you floor over the glowing pit rather as opposed to rewalling do the demons still spawn? [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 18:18, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

:No, reflooring still can release demons. Tested the hard way. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 23:31, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

:Additionally, building walls over every glowing pit tile still releases demons. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 00:18, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Eerie glowing pit

2008-03-20T03:32:21Z

Yvain:

40d Talk:Eerie glowing pit

2008-03-20T03:31:12Z

Yvain: /* Rewalling/Flooring */ - answer

{{spoiler}}

== The Demons ==
How powerful ARE the demons now? I gather that a pit chamber will release piles of them, but how many and how nasty are they all? Wonder if adamantine is really worth it... though if you've planned it out, I suppose it might be. Wonder how many demons a legendary dwarf warrior wielding masterwork adamantine weapons and armor could take out by himself!

: They're as nasty as they used to be. -- [[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]] 11:38, 20 November 2007 (EST)

: I had repulsed the initial wave of 1 Daemon and 7 Spirits of Fire by 5 marksdwarves and 4 axedwarves. 2 marksdwarves and 2 axedwarves were Elite in full steel chain/plate, others - on their way to it. Lost all axedwarves and 1 marksdwarf in the process. A few seasons later I thought that there weren't much more daemons and breached the pits in a new spot. By that time I had 3 Champion marksdwarves in Fortress Guard (not controllable at all :( ), ~20 wardogs, 4 other marksdwarves, 2 of which - Elite and 4 axedwarves/hammerdwarves at about 'competent' each. All the civilians (90 of them) were drafted into military with some extra weapons and no armor including ~10 miners from Legendary to novice with picks. The aftermath in the units screen is 16 dead Spirits of Fire including 7 from the initial attack, 10 live and happy Spirits of Fire with '''very''' long names, probably some more Spirits of Fire in ambush/invisible to me state and 5 recruits resting and dehydratated in remote corners of my bedroom area. There were immence lags when my stockpiles cathed fire and it were heavily lagging when I got there in adventure mode. --[[User:Another|Another]] 15:05, 20 November 2007 (EST)

: I just recently breached a pit, only to result in my entire fortress virtually being annihilated, 109 military dwarves were killed, including a Hammerlord with a legendary adamantine hammer, a mortally wounded Legendary Captain of the Guard, and the daemons lost only 50 total. --[[User:Naze|Naze]] 23:19, 12 December 2007

: I cleansed a demon pit that included exactly 30 fire spirits and a demon. I built a corridor to the chamber, filled it with spikes and chained them to a lever, with the pull lever/R action. It worked quite well despite the fact that my spikes were melt by the demons as they approached. They eventually had to go through a corridor where marksdwarves were stationned. They killed 5 marksdwarves, and some managed to enter my fortress undetected. I was VERY lucky because the fortress guard was useful! If you disable TEMPERATURE, they will be destroyed with no sweat. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 09:01, 11 January 2008 (EST)

: If you re-site your barracks to just outside the pits, then your fortress guard will find themselves joining the front line... [[User:YayTheDwarves|YayTheDwarves]] 09:58, 11 January 2008 (EST)

== Magma mini-pipes/vents? ==
Are the magma bits considered unconnected, and thus will cool to obsidian, or are they in effect pipes/vents and will refill via the new code? --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 23:29, 26 February 2008 (EST)
:there is no such thing as disconnected magma solidifying. that was added for some reason by someone to the wiki a long time ago but is incorrect. magma that is not connected anything will stay magma forever. the only way to turn it into obsidian is by adding water -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 05:15, 27 February 2008 (EST)

== Rewalling/Flooring ==
If you floor over the glowing pit rather as opposed to rewalling do the demons still spawn? [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 18:18, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

No, reflooring still can release demons. Tested the hard way. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 23:31, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Eerie glowing pit

2008-03-19T22:18:47Z

Yvain: query - demon spawning

40d Talk:Health care

2008-03-17T01:52:29Z

Yvain: /* Odd Dwarf Behaviour */

==Odd Dwarf Behaviour==
I just noticed in my fortress that one of my injured dwarves hadn't received food in a while and had gotten down to starving. However even when I changed every single dwarf to only perform health care they all just sit about idling and the poor guy starved to death. How can you force dwarves to perform health care jobs? [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 21:00, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

- Did some further reading and I made a new bucket and that prompted dwarves to check health care jobs and he then got feed/watered. However each time after that he needed food/water I had to make a new bucket. So guess what I'm exporting this year? :) [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 21:51, 16 March 2008 (EDT)