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40d Talk:Dwarf cancels task: Job item lost or destroyed

2009-01-21T19:48:42Z

Tomatofruit:

To work around the fat issue: forbid all fat, then reclaim the ones in your food stockpile
or deconstrut all fat-bearing buildings (kitchen, butcher) and rebuild them.
The error seems to have something todo with fat getting stuck in buildings.
--[[User:Rhenaya|Rhenaya]] 02:55, 14 January 2009 (EST)

I started getting this error at my 16 magma glass furnaces, spamming me with "______ cancels collect sand: Job item lost or destroyed" a couple hundred times a second. I suspended all sand collection tasks, dumped every bag and item inside each workshop, and tried to start it up again, but I kept getting the error. It turned out it was only happening at about half the furnaces, so in the end I had to shut them all down, individually enable each one to see if it was spamming me, and tear it down if it was. Once I'd rebuilt, the messages stopped. [[User:Tomatofruit|Tomatofruit]] 14:48, 21 January 2009 (EST)

40d:Ice

2008-12-29T16:03:03Z

Tomatofruit:

'''Ice''' is [[water]] that has been frozen by cold seasons. Any water that is [[above ground]] will freeze during the cold time, but it will stay wet if it is on [[subterranean]] tiles.

A water tile with 1 depth will freeze to create ice floor. A tile of water deeper than 1 will freeze into an '''ice wall''', creating an '''ice floor''' one [[Z-Axis]] above it. The ice wall will be the same no matter how deep the water is. As there is no thin ice, the floor can be walked on freely. Ice walls can be [[mine]]d like any other natural wall. The ice wall will melt into water of depth 7 [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Talk:Water] when warmer temperatures arrive, which can keep ponds full if rain only fills them up to 2/7. An ice floor will also melt, leaving 1 water iff it was smoothed or engraved.

Ice can be mined out, creating [[Ice#Ice as a stone|stones]] of ice that melt into thin air come spring. This makes winter an ideal time to get rid of any [[lake]]s that are in the way.

Entire water supplies can become completely frozen upon winter in colder areas. This can depopulate an entire fortress with rapidity in the first winter if they're unprepared. To counter this, make a [[cistern]] inside beforehand or brew enough [[alcohol]].

== Ice as a stone ==

Ice appears as a light blue stone which can be found by mining through an ice wall. Ice can be used to build [[construction]]s and [[workshops]]. Ice boulders and objects made of ice will melt when exposed to warmer temperatures (such as inside a fortress), giving it rather limited use. Nevertheless, workshops made of ice have a certain novelty to them, and it's even possible to make [[furnace]]s out of ice, as counter-intuitive as that sounds.

The games refers to ice boulders as "water." It doesn't appear in any stockpile options or the manager, but it does appear under the "stones" section of the [[Stocks]] menu.

== Icy constructions ==

All constructions are entirely indestructible. Entire fortresses can be built of ice in temperate climates equally impervious to catapults, the summer sun, or a thousand tons of boiling lava. If constructions of ice are dismantled during the warm season, they will melt into thin air.

== Mining hazard ==

Watch out when digging through ice into ([[subterranean]]) unfrozen water resorts. The space cleared by the miner will freeze solid again instantly, encasing the advancing miner into a wall of ice. This means not only the loss of a valuable [[dwarf]], but also of his now inaccessible equipment.

== Melting outdoor ice ==

It can be very important to be able to extract water from permanently-frozen ice (for instance on cold northern maps) in order to give water to the wounded. This can be done with [[magma]]. Dig out a tunnel one z-level below the ice sheet and fill it with magma. The ice on the above z-level will melt. You can see this happening here: http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-153-meltingwateronglacier

If you would like to transport magma to heat a frozen [[brook]] or other such feature that is very far away from the magma pipe, try to use a magma duct that is nearly as wide as the area you intend to fill. Otherwise, magma will tend to evaporate as it disperses from a narrow duct to a wider area.

{{Water FAQ}}
[[Category:Materials]]
[[Category:Map_tiles]]

40d Talk:Ice

2008-12-29T16:01:15Z

Tomatofruit: /* Outside/Above Ground */

Should probably include some information on melting the ice, as this is a common question. [[User:Sinoth|sinoth]] 10:44, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Ice is listed as a fire-safe material, and fire-safe materials are listed as being usable for creation of magma-powered buildings. Does this mean one can make a magma forge out of ice stones? [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 14:29, 24 November 2007 (EST)
:Yep, you can make all 4 magma workshops from ice.

I tryed to get water out of ice by dropping it a floor but it did not work. What am I doing wrong? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 23:49, 30 November 2007 (EST)

:It no longer seems to work as of 33d, I'm removing that part from the page [[User:Klada|Klada]] 20:55, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Regarding melting ice, I found that if you melt ice, drain it off to a 2 or 3, and then shunt the magma off somehow (happens often when magma first flows, due to ebb and flow of the magma waves) the 2-depth water will re-freeze, allowing you to re-thaw it into a 7-depth water. ... I found this out the hard way actually, since the magma waves caused successive re-thaws for the water to flood out my then-thought-to-be-way-too-big water pit. --[[User:CrushU|CrushU]] 21:20, 7 January 2008 (EST)[[User:CrushU|CrushU]] 21:20, 07 January 2008 (EST)

One winter, I filled with magma a room beneath a frozen river to melt it, so my injured dwarves could be helped. Next winter, those rooms beneath are still filled with magma, but the river froze and will not melt. This is on version 0.28.181.39d. --[[User:Mattmoss|Mattmoss]] 17:50, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

==Value of ICE==
What's the material value of ice? 1? [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 07:51, 31 December 2007 (EST)

:Whatever ice boulders are worth I would assume. Probably 2. [[User:Lightning4|Lightning4]] 08:31, 31 December 2007 (EST)
::0 Water is free so is ice. It doesn't even have a material entry it is hard coded in the game I think. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 10:56, 31 December 2007 (EST)

:::Yet on a map with water and magma sources one can produce an infinite amount of obsidian, which has value. Not that I'm suggesting obsidian should be valueless, but a fortress making a business out of selling ice sculptures would be fun. :) [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 21:46, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

::::Considering pets can now die in route with merchants due to weather/temp, I bet they don't get far with your masterwork Ice Sculpture. :P --[[User:Kyace|Kyace]] 23:17, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

== Melting without magma ==

If there is any way to melt ice without magma this would be good to know.
Are there any drinks that are "just water"? ie can I put water into a barrel and have something to drink through the winter, or do I have to get plants and brew beer / wine / rum to not die of dehydration/thirst?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 07:15, 10 January 2008 (EST)
:Nope, you have to brew something to store a drink in a barrel. Besides, even if you could store water, you wouldn't want to. Dwarves need alcohol, or they work much slower. -[[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 08:44, 5 February 2008 (EST)

::Well they may work slow for a bit but at least they don't die![[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:50, 6 February 2008 (EST)

== Water pit vs lake / pond ==

Does a water pit have to be a certain number of tiles, depth below ground, or overall "internal depth" (ie go a certain number of z-levels) to not freeze? ie how much of a pit do I need to not only dig, but fill, to have water in my fortress no matter what the weather is like?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 08:21, 5 February 2008 (EST)
:Height doesn't seem to be important. It needs to be either Inside or Below Ground to not freeze, I'm not sure which. -[[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 08:41, 5 February 2008 (EST) Update: It's Below Ground. -[[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 18:56, 21 February 2008 (EST)

Well my current thought is to build a wall out of ice to see it melt and irrigate my field... also, I'm building an up/down stair down a few z-levels. Once done I will work out how to drop my ice down it... yes more to do it than anything else.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:49, 6 February 2008 (EST)

== Engraving ice ==

Ice Walls can be engraved. I can prove it if you like. I made the change to the article, change the wording if you want.--[[User:Niaba|Niaba]] 06:06, 6 April 2008 (EDT)
:This seems a reasonably viable way to train engravers without wasting valuable wall space in a glacial sort of map.--[[User:Dadamh|Dadamh]] 15:28, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

If a masterfully engraved ice wall melts, does it cause a tantrum? --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 16:06, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
:It causes unhappy thought, like all masterworks. It's not instant-tantrum in new versions. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 23:58, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

== Outside/Above Ground ==

I made a deep channel by actually digging a tunnel (so dwarves wouldn't get stuck by channelling stupidly), so it was all inside. BUT I dug an opening through the floor on one of the corners for some reason (thought it was required for flood gate lever). Anyway, so the water in this corner was inside, but above ground. And in late autumn it froze over, just when I was thinking I would need a well there! All the other water is still intact in the channel, but with a corner of damp ice wall blocking flow. Anyway, if someone else can confirm it doesn't have to be outside to freeze! --[[User:KernelJ|KernelJ]] 10:38, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

:I don't think I follow your situation. If you mined out an L-shaped path underground for water, then dug a channel on top of the corner, that corner tile should be outside/light/above ground, unless you put some kind of construction over it. It's possible that the tile became outside, and then froze to ice, which might cause the game to claim the tile was inside/light/above ground (the game seems to report most outside impassable tiles as inside). However, even if you've got an ice wall in the corner, water should still be able to flow around it diagonally, shouldn't it? --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 12:21, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

:I just ran into this problem myself while trying to build a tower of ice to carve out. I had Inside, Above Ground tiles in my pump tower, and water froze solid the instant it was pumped into them. Water does not have to be Outside to freeze, it only needs to be Above Ground. --[[User:Tomatofruit|Tomatofruit]] 11:01, 29 December 2008 (EST)

== Moving Ice Stone ==

Ice stone or "water" can't be put into a stockpile right?
So it'll stay where it's mined until I decide to make something out of them?
:Yes, it's not listed under stockpile options, which is probably good, because you wouldn't want your dwarves bringing it inside so it melts or firing it out of catapults. --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 11:56, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

== building with ice ==

I know it's possible to make constructions out of ice, but can you make things that use the masonry skill, like tables? I've tried making a mason's workshop near the ice and ordering a table made, but he got rock from a different area. maybe if ice was the only thing available they would make it into furniture? It would be cool, because I made an ice tower and a need a door to go with it. :P --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 10:42, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

== Magma Melted Ice Pressure ==

Is it just me, or does the water that comes from melted ice have strange pressure characteristics? I tried to get it to U-Bend but it wouldn't come back up to the original source and it seems to flow very slowly for water.