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v0.31 Talk:Command line

2011-08-19T00:36:21Z

Slitherrr: Created page with 'When I've run this, it hasn't been completely command-free, but has required a button press (at the "export image" or "accept world" dialog), rather than being completely interac…'

When I've run this, it hasn't been completely command-free, but has required a button press (at the "export image" or "accept world" dialog), rather than being completely interaction-free. Is this the case for others? -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]

Talk:Command line

2011-08-04T01:32:50Z

Slitherrr: Created page with 'It seems, in Win 7 on 31.25 at least, that the generator doesn't exit automatically, but instead waits at the "export image/accept" stage for input. Can anyone confirm? -~~~'

It seems, in Win 7 on 31.25 at least, that the generator doesn't exit automatically, but instead waits at the "export image/accept" stage for input. Can anyone confirm? -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]

v0.34 Talk:Saved game folder

2011-01-07T18:11:08Z

Slitherrr:

The Continue Playing menu isn't showing many of the saved game folders that I have. Now, some of those folders are not showing up because I Abandoned the fortress, but I copied those files out and then pasted them back into the save game folder after abandoning them, so shouldn't they show up now? --[[User:Romeofalling|Romeofalling]] 01:21, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
:Um... in order to safely savescum, you need to copy the ENTIRE region folder as a unit. Copying bits and pieces out of that folder, and then pasting them back in, won't necessarily create a valid savegame. --[[User:DeMatt|DeMatt]] 06:43, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
::I was copying the region folders entirely. What I wasn't doing was deleting the old folder before copying the backup back to save/. Thank you, whoever updated with that info. --[[User:Romeofalling|Romeofalling]] 21:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

== Upgrading to a new version ==
Do we need to do anything special when upgrading to a newer version of DF2010? Specifically, I'm upgrading from vr0.31.12 to vr0.31.14, but the page should be updated for all DF2010 versions. --[[User:Romeofalling|Romeofalling]] 21:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

== Confusing ==

So, let's say I need to restore not from my latest save, but my season save that was made a few minutes earlier. How do I do so without it going all sideways? For example, when I restore that save most things seem okay, except the military seems to be doing whatever I'd told it to do after the save (say a move command) and while everyone is in uniform the military screen shows all squads empty. The article doesn't seem clear on how one restores that save without everything being broken.--[[Special:Contributions/58.122.40.118|58.122.40.118]] 02:40, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

== Save Game Anatomy ==

Is there any text on this wiki or somewhere else that describes the actual anatomy of the dat files in the save folder? -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]

v0.31:Gold

2010-04-28T19:20:57Z

Slitherrr: /* Bugs */

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{{Metal
|name=Gold
|color={{COLOR:6:0:1}}
|bgcolor={{COLOR:0:6:0}}
|uses=
* Make {{L|black bronze}} at {{L|smelter}}
* Make {{L|electrum}} at {{L|smelter}}
* Make {{L|rose gold}} at {{L|smelter}}
* {{L|Metalsmith's forge|Metal crafting}}
|ore=
* {{L|Native gold}}
|properties=
* {{L|Material value}} 30
}}

'''Gold''' is a high-value, relatively common {{l|metal}} which is used to create most objects other than {{l|weapons}} and {{l|armor}}. There are several types of alloys derived from gold, although none of these are more valuable than their components (with the potential exception of {{l|electrum}}).

==Bugs==
There is currently a bug{{version|0.31.01}} where trying to craft gold goblets, flasks (and presumably other gold crafts) will instead create the crafts out of iron and vice-versa. This is not always reproducible, however it can be incredibly frustrating when it does happen.

Variations of this bug:

*In {{version|0.31.02}}, crafting lead mugs makes gold ones.
*In {{version|0.31.01}} through {{version|0.31.03}}, crafting brass mugs makes gold ones.

{{gamedata
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{{Category|Metals}}

v0.31:Gold

2010-04-28T19:20:30Z

Slitherrr: /* Bugs */

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{{elven}}
{{Metal
|name=Gold
|color={{COLOR:6:0:1}}
|bgcolor={{COLOR:0:6:0}}
|uses=
* Make {{L|black bronze}} at {{L|smelter}}
* Make {{L|electrum}} at {{L|smelter}}
* Make {{L|rose gold}} at {{L|smelter}}
* {{L|Metalsmith's forge|Metal crafting}}
|ore=
* {{L|Native gold}}
|properties=
* {{L|Material value}} 30
}}

'''Gold''' is a high-value, relatively common {{l|metal}} which is used to create most objects other than {{l|weapons}} and {{l|armor}}. There are several types of alloys derived from gold, although none of these are more valuable than their components (with the potential exception of {{l|electrum}}).

==Bugs==
There is currently a bug{{version|0.31.01}} where trying to craft gold goblets, flasks (and presumably other gold crafts) will instead create the crafts out of iron and vice-versa. This is not always reproducible, however it can be incredibly frustrating when it does happen.

Variations of this bug:

*In {{version|0.31.02}}, crafting lead mugs makes gold ones.
*In {{version|0.31.01-0.31.03}}, crafting brass mugs makes gold ones.

{{gamedata
}}

{{Category|Metals}}

User talk:Slitherrr

2010-04-22T11:09:19Z

Slitherrr:

==Hider Script==
It works, you just have to click on the hide button again if the notice id is changed. That allows us to show the notice 1 time to users with the script if we make major changes to the announcements. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 07:25, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
:Hrm, I would have figured I would have tried that, what with it referring to cache and all. Good show, then. -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]

User:Slitherrr/monobook.js

2010-04-22T11:08:15Z

Slitherrr:

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Talk:Main Page/archive2

2010-04-08T15:38:30Z

Slitherrr:

{{Archive|
# [[Talk:Main Page/archive1|Archive 1]]
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== DF2010 Title needs changing ==

The new version is now df_31_01 and each article beginning with "DF2010" seems tacky. Any others agree it should be changed to df31 or something around like that? [[User:Richards|Richards]] 19:59, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
:The problem is that we version the wiki for each game-save compatibility change. Simply changing it to 31.01 would fix it now, but when 31.02 - 39.07 come out, and then finally 40.01 comes out that breaks save compatibility, we have much more work to do. Until we know the final version number in the series, it's not easy for us to just say "oh, this is it." --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 20:02, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
::And wtf is the precedent? In all the versions of the wiki I've seen, versions are always specified as the actual number. How is it more clear to use DF2010 instead of v0.31.01? --Peewee 09:57, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

:If you aren't planning to make more special version namespaces for a while, let's use the main namespace. Also, you guys really need to talk things out more before implementing giant sweeping changes. The more I see you describe your respective visions for the wiki, the more different they seem from each other. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:29, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

::Well. A solution would be to make every article title for the current version just say the article name, ex/ instead of "DF2010:Armor", make it "Armor", like last time. If a new version is released that is different, then archive it as whatever version it last applied to, like "40d:Armor, or 31.01:Armor". Is there any problem with this idea? [[User:Richards|Richards]] 14:28, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, there is. (Namely, the amount of labor you're talking about if pages are not set-up for that.)

Here's "The Plan", which was set up a couple months ago (and which has been discussed elsewhere, but we'll do it one more time)...
:* Old versions are clearly labeled and consistently linked internally. All 40d links bounce around only to 40d articles, so if a player is researching that version, it's all one package. ''(Same w/ 23a, the "2-D" version previous to that, but an ongoing and lower-priority project.)''
:* "New" versions are, likewise, consistent within themselves. Versionless search terms (like "[[stone]]" automatically default to "current version".
:* Future versions get their own version names, "current" becomes one-older, and the pattern continues.
The current PROBLEM is three-fold - the first is the changeover itself, when first time Editors start firing away at articles without the correct names or understanding The Plan. That is understandable, but compounded by the fact that we don't currently ''know'' the "proper" version number to use - is it 0.31.01, or 0.31, or 31.01 - when the first bugfix comes out, what will be changed and what kept? What part of that number constitutes/defines this as a "version"? There is no equiv of 23.a or 40.d - it's a new code, and we weren't given the codebook. (We're waiting on Three-toe/Toady for a response on that.) The 3rd problem is "DF2010" - which is wrong, but while popular and everyone is using it, it won't be very friendly later down the road.

So... we've got something that works now but won't in the future, and needs to be changed to be consistent so we don't bequeath future Admin and users the big bone. A diff between more work now and the sort of complete cluster that has gone on behind the scenes for the last 2 months preparing for this change - which is going SO MUCH SMOOTHER NOW (believe it or not!) because of that (thankless, ahem) preparation.

Once we know the correct version, all current articles will appear as that. Search terms will default to current version. Older articles will be consistent within their own namespace. AND we'll be setup for future version changes without quite so much trauma (which is ''why'' some of the more obscure of these changes are being implemented). Clear as mud?--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 19:06, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

:Are you basically trying to say that DF2010 is a convenient placeholder string that can be used to identify and move articles by bot when we get a stable version number from Toady? --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 19:20, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

::Dammit, if I could express myself in anything less than 500 words at a time, I would have! (Yes, that's basically what I'm saying.)--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 19:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

:::I'm not sure who wins the eloquence award here. Anyways, we're still waiting on information from ToadyOne before we rename DF2010 to something else more appropriate. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 19:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

:::: Toady has already said that he plans to aim for possibly as often as a weekly bugfix release while the early issues of this release get ironed out. Trying to keep up with release number changes weekly would be an absolute nightmare. Until things calm down a bit I don't blame anyone here in the least for using DF2010 as a more general version name. [[User:Doctorzuber|Doctorzuber]] 15:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::It ''is'' understood that Toady intends (ideally) for this to be both the last save-compat breaking version and the last major long-delay version... correct? Putting the entire Wiki in a namespace forever seems to me like a fairly terrible idea in any case, but it is intended for future versions to change much less of existing stuff as things go on (that is why this version took so long, in part, to get all the sweeping structural changes out of the way.) It is unlikely that there will ever be another version that would require reversioning the entire wiki, if, indeed, you think that even this one reached that level. While I'm not sure I'd agree that it was necessary to reversion the wiki for this version, the DF development plan is certainly intended to be such that revisioning the Wiki like this will never be necessary again. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] 03:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::: All I'm saying is that for the immediate near future a large number of incremental bug fix releases are to be expected. To avoid driving people completely nuts trying to keep up with frequent version changes it makes sense to use the DF2010 title in the short term. After we see things settle down a bit I agree we should probably go ahead and return to an actual version number. [[User:Doctorzuber|Doctorzuber]] 17:27, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::With the new version numbering system being so much simpler, could we simply refer to the version as 31a? Then changing letters to account for bugfixes. I'm using 0.31 enough myself but the decimal point is awful. --[[User:Retro|Retro]] 17:40, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Not really. We're mainly talking about the namespace's name. Changing a namespaces's name is a BIG headache (though it is the reason we're using the <nowiki>{{l|link}}</nowiki> stuff) because we did know that we'd be doing at least one change, and that gets rid of a decent portion of the headache. [[user:Emi|Emi]] [[user_talk:Emi|[T]]] 18:49, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I'm still waiting on ToadyOne to provide an official tagname for this series of releases. If we receive one, we will use it in the wiki. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 19:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== World Painter Page ==
The wiki has needed a page on the [[World Painter]] for a while, so I've started one. The information in there is decent, but I'm relatively new to wiki editing, so the formatting probably isn't. If someone wouldn't mind cleaning it up a bit for me I'd really appreciate it. --[[User:Timmeh|Timmeh]] 01:15, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

:Well I don't know if someone helped you already, but it looks fine to me. --[[User:frandude|frandude]]
:I changed the name into World Painter so it looked better (no more petty redirects!) [[User:Inawarminister|Inawarminister]] 12:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

== French language wiki ==

Can we have interlanguage links with the [http://www.dwarffortress.fr/wiki/ French wiki]? -[[User:Alan Trick|Alan Trick]] 17:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

== Add a CptnDuck page? ==

Captain Duck is a DF video tutorial maker, which an impressive collection of 40 videos on youtube (and a few extra videos of sieges and arenas and whatnot), and explains how to do most everything, from magma forges to Dwarven justice. He adds humor to it and he's the reason a lot of people understand the game...I think we should give him a page. – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Blackdoggie998|Blackdoggie998]]

:As it is insanely easy for anyone to sign up for editing priviledges on this site (I managed to, after all), I see no need to make one for him when he could make one for himself. However, if you wish to add user:CptnDuck, or invite him to make one himself, feel free. He can link to all of his tutorials from his user page. They even be searchable through that lovely little box to the(my) left. (Who knows where it is on your skin.) -- [[User:Teres_Draconis|jaz]] ... on this day, at this time.

:P.S. Does it seem odd to you to have it say "unsigned comment by [username]"? Or is that just me? -- [[User:Teres_Draconis|jaz]] ... on this day, just a little after the previous one.
:: Clicking 'unsigned' gave me all the explanation I need, might want to do the same [[User:Kinzarr|Kinzarr]] 23:27, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

:We don't need a userpage for him, but a page with the assembled listing of all his (and others of equal quality) video tutorials wouldn't be a bad idea at all. -[[User:N9103|Edward]] 16:47, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

== Articles on Olivine and other generic stones ==

There is a current discussion as to whether or not [[Olivine]] (and perhaps some few other stones) are duly covered on the current [[stone]] page, or are truly worth having their own article/page. This relates to a larger question of how this wiki is organized, and "What deserves a page" in a general sense. Any interested are encouraged to chime in, if only with a "me too" post pro or con. See [[Talk:Olivine]] for an idea of the issue. I'd like to have the debate move from the specific Olivine page to here since this is a more general issue that affects many potential pages. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 21:29, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

:I'm not really sure which way to go on this one. A lot of otherwise useless stones would need their own articles if the guidelines were expanded... and yet, there's a good amount of useful information that's not on the main pages, that would further clutter them if it were added; And permitting more individual pages would solve both those problems. I guess this ends up being a vote both ways, with provisions on each. -[[User:N9103|Edward]] 23:54, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

:My vote is, if someone can make it amusing, then sure. If someone is of the bent to enjoy making such a page, then again, sure... otherwise, leave it at the bottom of the pile of "things that someday we might get around to if we feel like it" and don't stress. The relevant data is covered (or will be when someone notices it's not), and everything else is gravy. Beside, what would you rather do, play the game, or figure out how to make a whole page of jokes about how gneiss nice is.... (or did I get that backwards?)... ? --[[User:Teres_Draconis|jaz]] ... on this day, at this time.

::All relevant information is covered, yes. But not necessarily on a relevant page. Before the Olivine page was made you couldn't learn that olivine may contain native platinum from any page related to olivine or stone in general.
::Another example is kaolinite. You can look it up in the table of Other Stone to see it can be found in sedimentary rock. But in order to see that it may itself contain alunite and marcasite you have to go through the entire table (or use the browser search function). Now, in order to see if it may contain anything else, you have to notice the note at the top of the page (just above the table of contents) that points to Metal Ore and Gem, whith another two tables you have to search through. (Kaolinite may contain turquoise). --[[User:Nahno|Nahno]] 21:44, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

:It's not just about "which stones" - it's a larger question of how the wiki is organized and presented. Should each separate and distinct item get its own page, like the current one- or two-line articles on [[vial]]s, [[instrument]]s or [[Restraint|chain]]s, (just as random parallel examples of some [[finished goods]] that have their very own, very short, very dull, and predictably repetitive articles.) Surely the [[Masons guild]] and [[miners guild]] don't deserve or need separate articles. Do we need a separate and largely redundant article for every trap weapon? What about the cookie-cutter articles on ''every'' individual animal? The GCS deserves its own, and many others, but one on each separate type of shark and hunting cat? There is no actual article there, only a template.

:Quivers and bolts are sub-sections of the [[crossbow]] article, and I think that's a ''great'' call. Olivine, talc and kaolinite are merely similar examples, distinct enough to warrant special treatment, but on the borderline of being so small to each only represent a stub. Ultimately, I don't think a functional formal definition would be easily achieved - rather guidelines and a fuzzy target, combining related info into groups with optimal size limitations (both lower end and upper end). Perhaps a template should not be forced on every lesser example, but they could be grouped into a table on their own article, "other stones of note" or "sharks" or "finished goods" or whatever.

:In many ways, our only current guidelines are "what has been done so far" - and that varies widely and wildly. Too often, pages are cobbled onto related ones, or split off just because its a new topic, if a brutally short one. Myself, I'd like to see most related articles of less than 4 lines or so get grouped into larger, more universally informative articles, and anything larger than maybe 5 full sub-sections be considered for splitting up. If an item stands out from the rest, it should stand out somewhere, in an article - but that doesn't mean it has to have its very own, or invite every similar item to do so as well.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 03:30, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

:: Please check out the (no longer) current [[Chalk]] page and tell me what you think. ... which is to say, it doesn't /have/ to be a stub, does it? It can be rich and detailed and sadly unamusing. It would please me to continue to do all stones in this manner, or another manner of your choosing.... Thus negating fussing over "this one was done this way, that one was done that way" arguments. I'll get to them all, in the order they appear on the [[Stones]] page. ... assuming you guys are ok with that. --[[User:Teres Draconis]] 08:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:: P.S. Who's the outpost manager of this place, anyways? I'd like to know to whom I should be pandering. --jaz

::: I think 1) you should take time to read, if not learn the wiki format guidelines, 2) you should sign with your REAL user name, and stop using a pseudonym, and 3) you should not break someone else's post with yours in between their paragraphs. As to the chalk page, I think it's over-enthusiastic and pays no attention to previous article style or formatting precedent - which may be a good thing or a bad thing, depending. --[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 09:33, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

:::: 1) You're right, I'm sorry.
::::2) We've discussed user names on [[User_Talk:Teres_Draconis#Naming Conventions|my talks page]]. (Also, <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> still puts "jaz"... why bother with the link when it's just a P.S.?)
::::3) I'm sorry. I was (apparently) trained wrong, and that was a /long/ time ago. I was taught (20 years ago) that when responding, to do so in-line, so that people can tell what the response is actually relating to. (Like an actual conversation, except with a time warp. You say something, I respond, someone else adds, we all move on to the next topic.) It supposedly adds clarity. The style and curtesy rules of such things has changed. I can see I'll need to update myself. Thank you for pointing that out. =)
::::4) I was hasty. I had to have meatspace people explain to me why, as wiki-''writers'', you would not want so much detail on a page. Especially when, with every new game release, any given page on the wiki might need an over haul. I was only looking at it from the end-user perspective of "If I'm looking for information, I don't want a page that just tells me to go look at the three pages I've already looked at. I want a page that reduces the noise of the irrelevant, and distills to just that specific (sub-)topic." I /don't/ see the point of six pages that are identacle except for title, and all only three lines long. If it's got it's own page, it should have it's own page. If it just links back to the three pages that linked to it, and they all link to each other already, what's the point? If the only thing Chalk has going for it is that it's flux, why not just make a note on the [[Stone]] page reading, "These three rocks can be used as flux" and link to the flux page from there? Why should chalk have it's own page, if it's not going to be richly detailed and, you know, informative? - [[User:Teres Draconis|jaz]] 18:59, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

::::The templates are there because they are pretty, detailed, and condensed ways to display some key information. Rather than expanding existing information so that it takes up more space, it's more productive to add things that you think are lacking. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 12:15, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

::: I changed the other [[Stones]] table to allow for interesting minerals that are in other[[Stones]] to be posted.--[[User:Mrdudeguy|Mrdudeguy]] 22:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:What would actually be helpful is a [[Geology]] primer, indicating how layers and inclusions are placed, where, and what the implications of "You have struck XXX" are. I know, now, that if it's olivine, I have a chance of finding veins of native platinum. One good page explaining what all of the geological processes mean would be a lot more useful then all of the various descriptions of exploratory mining. [[User:Decius|Decius]] 22:35, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::That sounds like a great idea.--[[User:Mrdudeguy|Mrdudeguy]] 22:46, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I agree! But I have no idea how to write it. Most of what I know about geology I learned from looking at the raws. Everything else is "OMG, is that a ''rock''?! I've heard of those!" - [[User:Teres Draconis|jaz]] 18:59, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

::"More useful" to some, but I agree it would be a great addition. Also, the more I think about it, the more I like what MrDG did with the table in Other Stone - tables could condense any and all small, individual articles into single pages w/ (sortable?) tables where all these various similar objects could be compared/contrasted at a glance. Templates are perfect when there is a lot of various info, but if the different topics (semi-generic stones, animals, finished goods) all differ only in one or two details, and there is just not that many variables to begin with, a Table would be (imo) preferable. ''(And imo that table now covers such stones as Olivine well, to get back to the original example that sparked this discussion.)''

::As an additional example of how current stub-articles could be combined into a simple table, I've made this page - [[Example - some fish]] - which could be a model for such. (A page/table with all the "Sea-creatures" would be more likely approp, but this was faster for now.) It would replace every stub-article on related "generic" items, but any truly noteworthy items would still have their own full articles for expanded information and commentary (here, "carp"). It still has 100% of the prev information, but also allows immediate comparison and contrast, and, if sortable, allows a User to more easily compare relations between similar aspects (like "biome", in this example.)--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 00:13, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

::: Is it possible to put the expandable version of the raw ("game object data (show)" seen at the bottom of the [[carp]] page) inside the table, instead of the whole thing? Or does the one preclude the other? - [[User:Teres Draconis|jaz]] 18:59, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Actually, if someone finds it easy to extract that information from the .RAWs, I would find that an improvement on what [[Creatures]] currently has. [[User:Decius|Decius]] 17:52, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

::::If someone here knows PHP they may be able to write a new wiki hook that pulls information from raw entries. That would make many things much easier. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 22:22, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Which information do you want extracted? I can probably do it for you, but you may have heard, I'm in the doghouse for not paying attention to style and formating rules. =/ Show me what there is, and one example of what you want, and I can probably do it for you with a minimum of stupid questions. ... ''Probably.'' - [[User:Teres Draconis|jaz]] 18:59, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

::::@ jaz, Dec - Did either of you look at this sample table? [[Example - some fish]] Does that cover what you were envisioning? It's just a rough idea - but it could work the same way that the table on the [[stone]] page currently does, to cover all the generic, almost-identical objects. Same w/ finished goods, weapon traps, probably many other sim categories of like items.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 22:52, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
I've read this sort of. My view is, wikis add value to the game far more for noobs than they do to legends who have been around since when the z-axis was just an idea. With this in mind, I reckon if everything with a name in the game had an article that would be *A Good Thing* (tm). Just my own opinion, feel free to disagree. Ideally, articles for things like stones should contain a template constructed from the raws, with prose/dialogue manually added.
Even things like [[screw pump]] could have a template driven section, advising what the components are / who makes it etc. Maybe <nowiki>{{building|Building Name|Component 1:Component 1 name|Component X| component X name|Constructed by|trade}}</nowiki> or similar.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 08:45, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

:I agree, probably, although that sounds like a lot of work. I think the stone templates and articles could do with a bit of a cleanup and more in-game information. I mostly use the articles to see if there's anything notable about a particular stone and then check out the wikipedia page. Some of the wikipedia links are broken or indirect now because disambiguity pages have been added since. Also, the wikipedia links are right at the bottom of very long boxes listing ores and gems and the like - I suggest adding drop down boxes to the templates that contain all that information but which are minimized by default. Or changing the template so that the wikipedia link wraps around the stone name at the top. --[[User:Harmonica|Harmonica]] 01:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Way late to this party, apologies. Tables are no good (to me) if they aren't sortable. The World Ends With You (a Nintendo DS game) Wikia portal/wiki thing has an ''awesome'' method for adding sortable tables. Some gadget called [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki Semantic MediaWiki] that hooks into the Wiki to automatically pull data out as you request it, then display it in easy-to-read and use sortable tables. The TWEWY Wikia has [http://twewy.wikia.com/wiki/The_World_Ends_With_You:Semantic_MediaWiki a page on it] for their editors, giving a few examples of how powerful it is. Their use of the tool is to easily pull information from a table of 304 items, each containing 30 attributes, to generate lists comparing and compiling various items. Hugely powerful, extremely flexible.

This type of tool would work wonderfully with a PHP RAW parser, or even simple dumps of the RAWs to the Wiki. Think of how easy it would be to update the entire Wiki across the board when new versions come out. New critters? Changes to existing critters? Update the information in one spot and it trickles down through the entire Wiki! That's in addition, of course, to being able to, say, generate tables listing how many bones each creature drops when killed, then sort to see which one drops the most. Pretty sweet stuff.

With some sort of system in place for wading through all the data on the wiki, one wouldn't have to worry about having too much information, right? -- [[User:Blank|Blank]] 04:44, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Particularly for stone, I think that it would be a good idea to describe each individual stone relative to other, similar stones. Let's use [[sandstone]] as an example. Suppose that I read (either in its own article, or in a table) something along the lines of "Sandstone is a [[sedimentary]] layer. Unlike most sedimentary layers, it may contain [[aquifers]] or veins of [[native copper]]." If I already know what a sedimentary layer is (and how it differs from other types of layers), this information will be much easier to process and much more useful than a full list of everything that appears in sandstone. If I have no idea what a sedimentary layer is, this will tell me that there are several sedimentary layers and that they all have many things in common, which is again more useful than a list of everything that appears in sandstone. --[[User:LaVacaMorada|LaVacaMorada]] 08:56, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
:That's not the way this (any?) wiki is set up. The idea is that a lesser concept (here, "sandstone") need not include redundant info from a larger, parent concept (here, "sedimentary layer"). If you don't know what a sed'y layer is (or an aquifer or a vein or whatever) you click that link. If, then, you don't know what a "layer" is, you click that link. Sounds good at first, but if every lesser article included an explanation, even a quick synopsis, of the info for all relevant articles on broader, umbrella concepts, the articles, and this wiki as a whole, would explode beyond usefulness. --[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 23:43, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks for making my point for me. If you look at the current sandstone article, it lists everything contained in sandstone. Looking at just the ores and non-generic stones, we have: Native copper, Hematite, Limonite, Magnetite, Native platinum, Tetrahedrite, Bituminous coal, Lignite, Bauxite. All of these except for native copper appear in every sedimentary layer. That's not even counting all of the generic stone (especially gypsum with its five other types of generic stone contained in it) and (mostly low-value) gems. 95% of the text in this article is redundant, and could easily be summarized by "This layer is exactly like every other sedimentary layer except for these two differences". --[[User:LaVacaMorada|LaVacaMorada]] 09:06, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Ah - ''that's'' your point. (When you said "describe", I thought you were advocating a narrative commentary on and verbal expansion of the info included in the sidebar.) When I was talking about not having redundant info, I was talking text - which is quite terse in this case, exactly because of the point you make. Those sidebars were designed to encapsulate the key info, an "at a glance" sort of thing, to avoid exactly what you're talking about in narrative form. Are the sidebars redundant? Often, yes. But they are the style this wiki has adopted for ''all'' stone. So you're talking not just about changing sed'y layers, but the style approach to all stone, since they would not then be consistent across the board. (Not how I would have personally designed the layout, but it's there and it works, and well. Any stone, same layout, same info in the same place, bam got it.) And when discussing presentation and usability issues, any article has to be taken both individually and in the context of others "like" it - here, any "stone" article is the same layout, the same info at a glance, which (for now) trumps whatever redundancies exist. Perhaps a quick line such as you're stating would go well, since there is, indeed, very little unique to say about any one sub-type of sedimentary layer, and that is info in and of itself. (Take a look at any [[igneous extrusive]] except obsidian for something similar.)--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 16:46, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

A lot of people have been talking a lot of things about reorganizing the information on the stones pages. After browsing around on them for a while, I've found the information to be mostly scattered and difficult to draw conclusions from. For example, I wasn't aware that each geographic stone type had a base list of stones that can appear, while only some of them have a couple of unique stones that may appear along with that list. It wasn't until I began gathering all of that data together for myself, that I found the patterns. I had to work to tie it all together. So, I have a partially completed table of pulldown menus on my user page right now. If anyone's interested they could take a look and tell me what they think? (Yes, I know a lot of it is redundant. I have an idea on how to fix this, but I haven't completely decided yet) --Kydo 13:55, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Lumping all the generic stones into one page is pretty much a labor saving device. There are a lot of different stones in DF most of which have no real differences other than color. So in one respect, I do see reasoning for saving some effort and dumping them in one place. On the other hand, it would be useful to me to see slightly more detailed information about each of the colored stones, for example, I know alunite looks a certain way before it is mined out, it's general color is bright white, when used to build trap components it is bright white in both the on and off position (many stones go to dark in the off position). In the same vein, when used to build tables and chairs, both will be bright white (many stones go to dark for chairs). If you're looking for a "certain look" and want to know a tiny bit more about the stone colors at present, that information simply isn't here as things are now. [[User:Doctorzuber|Doctorzuber]] 16:21, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

== Not a Roguelike ==

Dwarf Fortress only resembles a Roguelike in the sense that everything kills you. ASCII graphics haven't connoted Rogue-resemblance since Diablo came out with modern 3D graphics and was still considered a Roguelike.
[[User:LogicalDash|LogicalDash]] 22:08, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you for Fortress mode, but adventurer mode is rogue like.--[[User:Mjo625|Mjo625]] 22:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

:DF is rogue-like like.[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]][[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 08:59, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

LogicalDash, Diablo is in 2D, not 3D. --[[User:612DwarfAvenue|612DwarfAvenue]] 05:10, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

What makes a rogue-like? too classic a question to pass up . ahem IMHO there three major elements, A dungeon crawl/ fantasy setting, ASCII and random as hell. That makes dwarf fortress three outta three hits for me. Close enough, i'd say, if it's not a rogue-like what other category could it go in? sure its not a great fit but a unique game has to go somewhere. Diablo is a dungeon crawl like rogue sure, but it lacks the depth and randomness of any of the other recognised roguelikes, ADOM, moria etc. So one outta three? The depth, randomness and spontaneity really make it, ever had a character eaten by a bear on the way to the village in ADOM? classic. --[[User:Pedantictype|Pedantictype]] 05:46, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
:I'm afraid I have to disagree with you, Pedantictype. A Rogue-like is defined by the original: Rogue. Rogue was, first and foremost, a dungeon-crawl with control of a single character, yes? I would postulate that that is one of the elements that is required to be defined as a rogue-like, which qualifies Adventure mode but not Fortress mode. --[[User:Eagle0600|Eagle0600]] 05:04, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::Eagle's right. A roguelike game plays somewhat like Rogue and has ascii graphics. Fortress mode DF is a tactical/strategic/sandbox ascii game, not a roguelike. And isn't there general intent for it to have graphics one day, once it's out of the design stages? --Kydo 01:58, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

== Link to Add Quotes ==

To get help on how to add quotes to the main page, consult [[Talk:Main Page/Quote|this]] link.

== Incoming New Version ==

Guys. We might as well prepare for the new version that will be coming by the end of the year (maybe). What will need to change? Weapons and armor, the underground stuff... I don't know all of it. But it's extensive. Get ready.--[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 17:02, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
:Well, we don't know all the details, and names of jobs/items can change before actual release. [[User:Kurokikaze|Kurokikaze]] 16:14, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see what this has to do with anything, i guess it's nice of you to tell us. But what do you mean "get ready?"
: Gird your loins, gentlemen. Or something.
::It'll be hard to cover every page - if you edit, try to follow up on links, etc. Might also have to check the "oldest pages" listing to see that they've all been updated (except it's broken atm). The worst currently is that we ''still'' have legacy crap from earlier versions in obscure corners and comments that's not relevant to current version. Bonus.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 06:11, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
:This might be useful: http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AT8EQVUjrv96ZGc5cnBwOHZfMjgyY3FzZHFtanA&hl=en
:Are we just changing this wiki? (as opposed to forking with the new version, in case some people keep playing 40d?) [[Special:Contributions/206.45.111.58|206.45.111.58]] 22:39, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
::Forking sounds good to me. But I have no idea how well wikis handle forking. --[[User:Nahno|Nahno]] 14:11, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
:::In any case I think it would be a good idea to updated articles as is, and not wipe them out like in the wiki's switch to 3d which simply wiped out a lot of good information along with outdated text. Forking is a good route to take if people don't want to lose 40d inforamtion. [[User:Richards|Richards]] 19:40, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

== Interwiki ==

Correct link to Russian DF wiki, please.
Right link = www.dfwk.ru instead current www.dfwiki.ru --[[Special:Contributions/91.192.82.106|91.192.82.106]] 11:43, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
:It's done, so should we delete this conservation? (not that great at wiki myself) [[User:Inawarminister|Inawarminister]] 09:46, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

== Random page ==

Why is "Random page" only bringing me to "Count Consort"? :\ --[[Special:Contributions/99.33.67.9|99.33.67.9]] 22:33, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:It seems "Random page" is only random daily... Is this intentional? --[[Special:Contributions/99.33.67.9|99.33.67.9]] 20:31, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::There's probably something wrong with your browser cache settings - it works fine for me. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:37, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

== Random images ==

Where are the images on the main page coming from? It's easy to find the quotes, but where are the images? [[User:MC Dirty|MC Dirty]] 15:14, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

:I have an image I'd like added... I'll put it on my userpage if anyone wants to take a look at it and see if it's acceptable for uploading. --[[User:Waladil|Waladil]] 06:40, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

== New Category Idea - Well Known Dwarves ==

After reading some stories on many of the most awesome dwarfs to show up in this game. (Namely Captain Ironblood, Morul, Tholtig) That a category, perhaps a sub one to Humor and Stories just for Dwarves that are very very clearly above the normal for the already outrageous(ly awesome) game of Dwarf Fortress. However do to the fact this is less on the game mechanics and such, the idea is first here so other's can figure if it's worth having a category. One thing that comes to mind is there really should be some sort of limit to what makes a Dwarf and Epic/Well Known Dwarf so as to prevent people from putting everyone they liked up there rather then the few '''everyone''' likes. Mostly asking as there is a handful of such dwarfs and that number is only going to (slowly) grow. Each said Dwarf I think deserves some sort of noting on a page for my two cents on the topic.
:I definitely thing that this is a great idea in the true spirit of DF.

== Images ==

So, what does everyone think? Would it be a good idea to have real-world images (or possibly sketches for fantasy, if applicable) of the following:
* Trees
* Fish
* Land animals
* Weapons and armor
* Stones
* Ores
* Land features (desert, savannah, etc.)
* Gems
* Metals
* Plants
We already have two pages with example images for a [[Pike_(weapon)#Pike|weapon]] and a [[Sandstone|stone]] for example. I find this very nice for visualizing my fortress and what's going on, since I'm not very familiar with many of the distinctions DF makes. I mean, I know what a fish looks like but I haven't got a clue what the difference between a pike and a char is, or a birch and alder, or even bronze and pewter to be honest.--[[User:Ar-Pharazon|Ar-Pharazon]] 22:42, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:The normal issues with this kind of thing is REAL-WORLD publishers being annoying with copyright. I guess if we can find it from the real-world wiki then there is a good chance it is a public domain image.
:There is no way in the world it would hurt an article to have one of these. Although, for fantasy objects, materials, and creatures, there may well be some discussion about if the "Dragon" should be a European, Oriental, or some other dragon (and so on for the rest).
:[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]][[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 11:52, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::Well, I've added pictures to some of the layer stones and vermin, as well as all the ores. If anyone is interested, you can link to files on wikimedia commons as if they were internal files now.--[[User:Ar-Pharazon|Ar-Pharazon]] 04:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:::What if those of us with artistic skills were to produce original content for such pages? For example, I could easily do a few drawings depicting certain fantasy creatures as well as actual creatures. --Kydo 22:56, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't see how that could even remotely hurt at all.--[[User:Ar-Pharazon|Ar-Pharazon]] 15:21, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
::Who says that the 'Dragon' as a creature isn't a generalization of any species? To be honest, with the graphics as they are, I think that most of Dwarf Fortress comes down to the way the user imagines it, rather than how it appears on screen. Rather like the old text based adventure games of old.--[[Special:Contributions/85.12.64.150|85.12.64.150]] 10:18, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Whoever you are, that is why i don't use a tileset.[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]][[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 06:15, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:As a rule of thumb, "graphics" are good things - eye candy, if nothing else. Purty. Use common sense and discretion when choosing (or creating) the image - avoid genre-specific images or anything that is copyrighted (like from an identifiable RPG, for instance), and perhaps add "artist's interpretation" under it, or a selection of (smaller) different images for something like a dragon (tho' I, personally, don't see dwarves with oriental dragons - ymmv.) --[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 08:49, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::Seeing as how this is a wiki and what not, why not simple add a western dragon, and if anyone objects to the bias they can add an oriental dragon, so we have two pictures and not only both sides are happy but everyone gets more pictures to look at?--[[User:Ar-Pharazon|Ar-Pharazon]] 15:21, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
:(Also, if you're interested enough to post in the Main Page Discussion, you might want to get an account. Meh.)--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 08:49, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== No link to World Generation? ==

Home page needs a link to World Generation. I thought of adding it, but didn't want to upset the delicate symmetry happing in the menus. Thoughts as to where it could go? [[Special:Contributions/118.208.7.232|118.208.7.232]] 04:25, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Namespaces ==

As the subject has been mentioned on the forum:
some articles have been moved to a new 40d namespace. This is intended to make way for the "main" namespace to be reserved for the "current version", which ''real soon now'' will be DF2010.
For the full discussion see [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Versions]] and the talk page.
[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]][[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 10:32, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Then bloody well move them. These blank 40d pages are making finding information that is supposed to be there very hard to find.

:Agreed..Plus I dont understand the site announcements so i pretty much can't contribute to the wiki right now. Hope you got a stable team to help and are done with it soon. Oh, and a better explanation would be great of course. --[[Special:Contributions/92.202.120.234|92.202.120.234]] 00:10, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
::When is the moving of things to the main namespace going to be complete? Having everything in DF2010 namespace is horribly annoying, and the 40d namespace screws up searches and makes it harder to find stuff via google searches and such. How long is it going to take to get the wiki fixed to the current version, delete all the old d40 stuff, and get rid of the namespaces? --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] 03:40, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Tutorials clutter ==

Currently we have in the first box:
*About Dwarf Fortress
*'''Tutorials and guides'''
*'''Quickstart guide (recent)'''
*'''Frequently Asked Questions'''
*'''Your first fortress'''
*'''Video tutorials'''
*'''Important advice'''
*'''Indecisive's Illustrated Tutorial'''
*'''Get help from online chat'''
*Game development
*'''Non-Dwarf's Guide to Rock'''
*'''Starting builds'''

Bolded are the ones I think are redundant. Basically, we have the following categories of stuff:
*Tutorials for newbies: Step by step instructions where you follow what the guide says, without necessarily understanding why right away.
*Guides for newbies: General explanations of game concepts, such as z-level, how to set labors, how to farm, how to work the interface and install a graphical tileset, what the aim of the game is, etc.
*Guides for advanced players: These assume you know how to play the game, and are concerned with optimizing/pushing strategy. Embark build discussions which go beyond explaining the bare minimums you should take (such as "don't embark without a pick!", intended for newbies who may not know what they are doing), megaprojects, combat mechanics, computing, farming strategies, defense strategies, design strategies, macros, world generation parameter discussion and the like.
*FAQ, bugs and troubleshooting: The index of known problems and what to do about them, for when you have a clear question you want to figure out. This includes the FAQ, IRC channels and bugs to watch out for.
That makes 4 categories. Currently, we have 10 categories dealing with the same things. Moreover, the current break down makes no sense, and is obviously not maintained (I think that quickstart guide has been "recent" since early last summer). It's becoming confusing for the clueless first time player who was just linked to Bay12 and the wiki on a forum, and left to fend for itself. In fact, ideally, the tutorials and newbie guides should also be sorted from short to long, with datestamps.

I would rearrange the box myself, but I thought I'd ask what everyone else is thinking first. By the way, are there any tutorials for DF2010, or plans to write any? --[[User:Ar-Pharazon|Ar-Pharazon]] 02:07, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
::By the way, my proposal is to have the box look like this:
::'''Help with Dwarf Fortress'''
::*About Dwarf Fortress
::*How to set up and play Dwarf Fortress (Tutorials)
::*General game information (explanation of basics)
::*Advanced strategies (for experienced players)
::*Troubleshooting: FAQ, where to ask for help, known bugs and issues
::*Game development
::--[[User:Ar-Pharazon|Ar-Pharazon]] 02:14, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== New modding guide ==
I'm not really sure what the process is for new guides and tutorials. I figured it would be of general community interest, so I'm posting this here; [[User:Tfaal/The Complete Dorf's Guide to Bodies]] --[[User:Tfaal|Tfaal]] 16:43, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

==Bug listings on the Wiki==
Given that the version number is expected to be changing quite rapidly in the near future as bugs are caught and killed, I think it's a good idea to always keep a version number associated with any bug reports we migrate into the wiki pages. This will hopefully minimize confusion as updates gradually remove these. If we could get one of those mini-version tags to use for this purpose or if someone can explain to me how to use that half-sized font for this purpose that would be helpful. Thanks. [[User:Doctorzuber|Doctorzuber]] 16:23, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
:There is already a template for this: [[Template:Version]]. You use it as follows.
:<nowiki>Example.{{version|0.23.130.23a}}</nowiki>
:results in:
:Example.{{version|0.23.130.23a}} --[[User:Soy|Soy]] 16:44, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
:: Thank you, that is all I needed. [[User:Doctorzuber|Doctorzuber]] 17:54, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

== What happened to the link to the dev changelog? ==

There used to be a link to the changelog and a link to the 31_01 release information, but now there's just a link to the release information labeled "changelog." Also the main page appears to use a funny template or something so the link's messed up throughout all of the mainpage history.
:-That's a link I used almost daily. While I realize I'm an idiot for not just bookmarking it, it is a little disconcerting for it to :be gone. Either way, I've always thought it was one of the most relevant links on the main page—it let's you know where the game :project is at ''right now''.
:Wow, forgot sig and indent. I'm amazing. :P ----[[User:Njero|Njero]] 01:03, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Found the template in question, figured there was no reason for the changelog link not to be there so I put it back; it seemed like it was removed by mistake anyway. Also renamed the link to the release information so there wouldn't be two links entitled "changelog." --[[User:Untelligent|Untelligent]] 02:22, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

==Announcements Hider==
The announcement-hiding script on Briess's page no longer works--it's checking the contents of an id that no longer exists. Replacing the conditional with collapseTable(0) works, but sidesteps the original intent of the conditional, which I presume is to display the options if they've changed since last visit. Does that functionality still apply? While we're at it, is it possible to assign a named value to the collapsible table, so that it can be collapsed without referring to its position relative to other collapsible tables (which breaks the hider script on certain skins)? -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]

User:Slitherrr/hideAnnouncements.js

2010-04-08T15:34:44Z

Slitherrr:

addOnloadHook(
function () {
/* if (document.getElementById('siteNotice').innerHTML == get_cookie('dfannounce')){
collapseTable(0); // the announcements table is assumed to be collapsableTable0 in this case. This could be different depending on skin.
}*/
/*document.getElementById('siteNotice').style.display = 'none';*/
collapseTable(0);
}
);

Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Useful scripts

2010-04-07T16:59:30Z

Slitherrr: Created page with 'Unless I'm missing something, the "Hide Site Announcements" script provided doesn't work anymore (it's looking for an element of an id that doesn't exist). It probably needs an u…'

Unless I'm missing something, the "Hide Site Announcements" script provided doesn't work anymore (it's looking for an element of an id that doesn't exist). It probably needs an update. -[[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]]

User:Slitherrr/hideAnnouncements.js

2010-04-07T16:47:59Z

Slitherrr:

addOnloadHook(
function () {
/* if (document.getElementById('siteNotice').innerHTML == get_cookie('dfannounce')){
collapseTable(0); // the announcements table is assumed to be collapsableTable0 in this case. This could be different depending on skin.
}*/
document.getElementById('siteNotice').style.display = 'none';
}
);

User:Slitherrr/monobook.js

2010-04-07T16:44:41Z

Slitherrr:

importScript('User:Slitherrr/hideAnnouncements.js');

User:Slitherrr/hideAnnouncements.js

2010-04-07T16:44:31Z

Slitherrr: Created page with 'addOnloadHook( function () { if (document.getElementById('siteNotice').innerHTML == get_cookie('dfannounce')){ collapseTable(0); // the announcements table is a…'

addOnloadHook(
function () {
if (document.getElementById('siteNotice').innerHTML == get_cookie('dfannounce')){
collapseTable(0); // the announcements table is assumed to be collapsableTable0 in this case. This could be different depending on skin.
}
}
);

User:Slitherrr/monobook.js

2010-04-07T16:35:43Z

Slitherrr: Created page with 'importScript('User:Briess/hideAnnouncements.js');'

importScript('User:Briess/hideAnnouncements.js');

Utility Talk:Dwarf Companion

2008-07-30T15:58:09Z

Slitherrr: Install Questions

Things I've noticed with tinkering around in 33g.
*"invade?" tag toggles prone position for the target.
*0x1.7(4th row) places and removes the target from the royal guard.
*0x2.7(4th row) places and removes the target from the fortress guard.
*0x4000 second row seems to dictate if the creature has a job or place to go to. Turning it off seems to do nothing, it just turns right back on again, unless the creature is moved in the process of applying.
*0x84, 0x800 and 0x4.5(7th row) make the dwarf friendly oriented instead of a fortress-dweller, much like a merchant.
*0x8 Is only present on dwarves legendary through making an artifact. It could be what keeps them from having another mood.
*0x2000 and 0x2.7(last row) seem to be related to lung-related injuries. Both make a "winded" effect appear on the dwarf. 0x2.7 seems to wear off after a short time.
*0x100(2nd row) does something peculiar. It removes the dwarf from the unit list, and then the dwarf just completely vanishes. Several tags are reset and the dwarf, for all purposes, seems to no longer exist. So far nothing I can find will bring the dwarf back, and several tags used on the dwarf will cause DF to lock up.
*0x400 makes the target invisible to the unit list only, does not seem to have any adverse effects.
*0x8.5(7th row) makes the unit a "visitor" on the unit list. Behaves friendly, not sure what it does otherwise.

Some interesting notes too. Setting a dwarf to hostile, waiting until a nearby soldier is charging to attack, then making them friendly again causes something really interesting. The soldier will kill the now-friendly dwarf, and then that soldier will become a target to all nearby soldiers, despite still being controllable and interactable.
Also, that "staring off into the distance" mood is interesting. I want to see it in action but I can't find a way to actually trigger the mood to act. [[User:Lightning4|Lightning4]] 09:23, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:Thanks for this update! I'll include them in the next revision. AFAIK 0x8 triggers the "creator of" text, and works on any dwarf. It's quite possible to trigger a mood, i'll try soon triggering an artifical mood. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 11:54, 27 December 2007 (EST)

Hey. It seems that when I give a dwarf a mood, he goes to the meeting area and does nothing. Also, when I change a dwarves mood to NONE, I get an error and the game crashes. [[User:Zonhin|Zonhin]] 21:12, 20 January 2008 (EST)

== Feature requests! ==

You suggested we put feature requests in the wiki discussion page, so here they are!
* From sphir: "Any plans on map-related modules? e.g.
**one button designate cut tree after recording the regions.
:: I do not get this one? What is exactly suggested? Designate ALL trees at once? [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 06:34, 28 December 2007 (EST)
**additional "bookmarks", jump to creature (esp dead creatures, which cannot be done in game)
:: I'll add that soon, as it doesn't seem too hard [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 06:34, 28 December 2007 (EST)
**add foreman.exe-like macro job management by profession?"
:: This is planned too [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 06:34, 28 December 2007 (EST)
* and mine: "alert me when my hunters run out of bolts so I can draft them to reset their job state and get them to pick up a fresh batch of ammo. It's such a hassle to have to constantly watch hunters just so they don't do something dumb like put their head inside a cougar's mouth. Or even a way to look at the items in a dwarf's inventory would be lovely."
: This one could be a bit tricky, as inventory is not reversed yet, and i haven't been looking at it, so i have no clue on how hard it is [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 06:34, 28 December 2007 (EST)
I guess others should just add their requests below. Awesome application, thanks Bartavelle! [[User:Chrominance|Chrominance]] 20:06, 27 December 2007 (EST)
:How about the ability to change what the dwarf likes and hates? Just so my Mayor won't mandate the construction of adamantine items. --[[User:Corbine|Corbine]] 08:01, 28 December 2007 (EST)
::Likes and recent "events" are next on my list of stuff to reverse. I would especially like to display a summary of all "bad mood stuff" that recently happened to dwarves. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 11:14, 28 December 2007 (EST)

:Ability to see which item a particular dwarf is tasking to haul and zoom to it? Ability to zoom to items in general would also be great (the game seems to want to support this, as it has the 'zoom to' option on the bottom in say, the inventory screen, but you can't actually zoom to anything from the inventory page as far as I can tell). --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:11, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

== Bugs ==

If you happen to see this before the thread on the forums, I posted the bug I'm getting 50% of the time while traveling in adventure mode with the new version of DC in [38a].
--[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 10:26, 10 February 2008

Occasionally when you heal/hurt or modify something of a dwarf or creature, the exhaustion amount will be maxed out, causing the target to pass out for QUITE awhile. --[[User:Corbine|Corbine]] 08:15, 28 December 2007 (EST)
:That's what's making them do that? Aha! --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 18:55, 3 February 2008 (EST)
::Just check the exaustion field to make sure it's 0 or something low, as opposed to the 65535 that it will ocassionally fill in with. Not sure what causes it to go for max value instead of the minimum. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:33, 3 February 2008 (EST)

Getting an error when trying to start program. It couldn't get the DLLs at first so I just copied them into the folder, which seemed to work, but now it gives this:
http://80.60.190.55/pics/dfcbug.jpg
It closes (or crashes) the dwarf fortress application in the process, no error messages pop up.
:thanks for the info, i'm trying right now to reduce the number of required components, so it should be better soon ... [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 18:10, 1 January 2008 (EST)

When I first tried to use DF Companion, it gave me an error message that stated Libglib-2.0-0.dll was missing. So I went and downloaded it, put it in the right place. Then it said I needed iconv.dll, so I went and downloaded it. Then it made me get intl.dll. Now, it's saying "The procedure entry point g_Assert_Warning could not be located in the dynamic link library libglib-2.0-0.dll"--[[User:Demosthenes|Demosthenes]] 17:22, 19 February 2008 (EST)
: It sounds like you did not install the latest "gtk runtime environment" [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 01:34, 20 February 2008 (EST)
:: I did. D= Several times.--[[User:Demosthenes|Demosthenes]] 19:24, 20 February 2008 (EST)
::: Then I have no clue :( [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 01:46, 21 February 2008 (EST)
::: When I run it with the command line, it gives this. http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5550/errorao1.jpg --[[User:Demosthenes|Demosthenes]] 21:03, 28 February 2008 (EST)

== 0x4000 ==

0x4000 is nauseous. [[User:Nate879|Nate879]] 19:10, 10 January 2008 (EST)

:Better give it some Compazine, then. *rimshot*--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 23:21, 10 January 2008 (EST)

==How exactly do I run this?==
What do I run here? The .glade file? Because if I open that, it gets me a tiny window with 2 things I can choose, skilledit and creatureedit. If I choose them, they are completely blank. I've tried cmd.exe but I get the same thing. --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 21:23, 21 January 2008 (EST)
: you should run dfcomapnion_prototype.py, as stated in the main page!
:: Hey, he added that because of this question, okay? --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 17:48, 27 January 2008 (EST)

==Unable to run on win2000===
I'm still using win2000, and I'm unable to run the program, it gives an error requesting the instruction GetProcessImageFileNameA, which is only available on XP and Server2003.
: Ok i'm gonna try to find an alternative ASAP [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 07:35, 28 January 2008 (EST)

==Tracebacks for version .7==

F:\Python25\GTK>dfcompanion_prototype.py
version v0.27.169.88a, pid 3676, player 0
0 words loaded
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "F:\Python25\GTK\dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 390, in <module>
DFcmp = DFcompanion()
File "F:\Python25\GTK\dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 336, in __init__
self.dd = dwarfdbg()
File "F:\Python25\GTK\dwarfdbg.py", line 92, in __init__
self.getWords()
File "F:\Python25\GTK\dwarfdbg.py", line 208, in getWords
lptr = self.getLong(vec2[1]+race*4)
File "F:\Python25\GTK\dwarfdbg.py", line 104, in getLong
return struct.unpack("L", self.dbg.read(ptr, 4))[0]
File "F:\Python25\GTK\dfwin32.py", line 81, in read
raise WinError()
WindowsError: [Error 299] Only part of a ReadProcessMemory or WriteProcessMemory
request was completed.

:you must load your game [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 10:45, 7 February 2008 (EST)

==Terrain Replication==
You stated on the forums that you would/could make a script that would allow a person to copy the information from a tile and replicate it elsewhere, and then in Nist Akath, Captain Mayday claimed that he used said script. Where is this? It's useful-sounding. --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 19:45, 10 February 2008 (EST)
: Try the secret link [http://bartabox.banquise.net/df/companion-0.8-any.zip here], but i will replace this file as soon as I "officially" release it. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 01:49, 11 February 2008 (EST)

== Dwarf Companion - Cheating Fun in Adventure Mode! ==

I was tinkering about with the Dwarf Companion program earlier today, when a thought came to my mind. "What if you could do stuff with this program in Adventure mode?"

Well, it turns out that you can. By turning on the program and hitting the "All Creatures" box, you can access any loaded creature as well as your own adventurer. By doing this, you can make him as strong and legendary as you want, and effectively kill anything within the sector. You can also change your character into any creature in the game, including demons, goblins, etc. (NOTE: 'Shapeshifting' like this renders the tile where you changed un-passable, and you tend to teleport when you do so. Also, when I changed into a dragon, the game crashed.) Moods are also able to toggle, though I've only tested them upon my own adventurer. Going beserk in a human town triggered the mayor to start attacking me, but when I turned it off, he became friendly once again.

Here's a movie of some of my exploits with a fresh adventurer dwarf: http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-348-dwarfcompanioninadventuremode17338a

I hope this strikes as interesting / useful for the future!

== Won't Run ==
Just recently had a little... accident at my fortress and I wanted to rectify it, since it was just a result of my own stupidity. Squashed some poor bastard with a drawbridge. Unfortunately trying to run Companion results in this:

version generic version, pid 5740, player a6
2103 words loaded
race 0 loaded
race 1 loaded
race 2 loaded
race 3 loaded
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\companion\dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 402, in <module>
DFcmp = DFcompanion()
File "C:\companion\dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 396, in __init__
self.initList()
File "C:\companion\dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 123, in initList
list = self.dd.getCreatures(self.showmode,dead=self.showdead)
File "C:\companion\dwarfdbg.py", line 814, in getCreatures
col = self.getCreature(c)
File "C:\companion\dwarfdbg.py", line 480, in getCreature
c.events = self.getEvents(c)
File "C:\companion\dwarfdbg.py", line 154, in getEvents
events.append( [p, eventName[p], id] )
KeyError: 212
[[User:Lightning4|Lightning4]] 19:23, 23 February 2008 (EST)

:Update: I've tested again with the new version, as well as tried another fortress. The initial fortress I tried it on still fails to run with the same error. However, another, older fortress works just fine.[[User:Lightning4|Lightning4]] 14:04, 26 February 2008 (EST)

::Issue resolved. A fix was provided for this error at the bottom of the page. [[User:Lightning4|Lightning4]] 13:10, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

== 176.38a not work ==
D:\games\1non company made\dwarf\utility\companion 0.10>dfcompanion_prototype.py

version generic version, pid 5352, player a6
2103 words loaded
race 0 loaded
race 1 loaded
race 2 loaded
race 3 loaded
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "D:\games\1non company made\dwarf\utility\companion 0.10\dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 402, in <module>
DFcmp = DFcompanion()
File "D:\games\1non company made\dwarf\utility\companion 0.10\dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 396, in __init__
self.initList()
File "D:\games\1non company made\dwarf\utility\companion 0.10\dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 123, in initList
list = self.dd.getCreatures(self.showmode,dead=self.showdead)
File "D:\games\1non company made\dwarf\utility\companion 0.10\dwarfdbg.py", line 835, in getCreatures
col = self.getCreature(c)
File "D:\games\1non company made\dwarf\utility\companion 0.10\dwarfdbg.py", line 446, in fresh getCreature
slist = self.getSkills(c)
File "D:\games\1non company made\dwarf\utility\companion 0.10\dwarfdbg.py", line 328, in getSkills
skptr = self.getLong(skillptr)
File "D:\games\1non company made\dwarf\utility\companion 0.10\dwarfdbg.py", line 125, in getLong
return struct.unpack("L", self.dbg.read(ptr, 4))[0]
File "D:\games\1non company made\dwarf\utility\companion 0.10\dfwin32.py", line 81, in read
raise WinError()
WindowsError: [Error 299] Only part of a ReadProcessMemory or WriteProcessMemory request was completed.
Yes I am in dwarf fortunse mode and I have vista and I in new fortuness that generated on new map. [[User:Omagaalpha|Omagaalpha]] 12:14, 27 February 2008 (EST)

== 176.38b not running ==

Using version 0.9-any with Python 2.5 and all modules installed. Works fine in 176.38a, as shown:

C:\Spill\Dwarf Fortress\companion>dfcompanion_prototype.py
version generic version, pid 2828, player a6
2103 words loaded
race 0 loaded
race 1 loaded
race 2 loaded
race 3 loaded

When trying to run in 176.38b I get:

C:\Spill\Dwarf Fortress\companion>dfcompanion_prototype.py
version generic version, pid 544, player a6
2103 words loaded
race 0 loaded
race 1 loaded
race 2 loaded
race 3 loaded
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Spill\Dwarf Fortress\companion\dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 402, in <module>
DFcmp = DFcompanion()
File "C:\Spill\Dwarf Fortress\companion\dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 396, in __init__
self.initList()
File "C:\Spill\Dwarf Fortress\companion\dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 123, in initList
list = self.dd.getCreatures(self.showmode,dead=self.showdead)
File "C:\Spill\Dwarf Fortress\companion\dwarfdbg.py", line 814, in getCreatures
col = self.getCreature(c)
File "C:\Spill\Dwarf Fortress\companion\dwarfdbg.py", line 446, in getCreature
bpname = self.getBodyPart(c, i)
File "C:\Spill\Dwarf Fortress\companion\dwarfdbg.py", line 322, in getBodyPart
bpv = self.getVec(c.bpNames)
File "C:\Spill\Dwarf Fortress\companion\dwarfdbg.py", line 119, in getVec
return struct.unpack("LLLL", self.dbg.read(ptr, 16))
File "C:\Spill\Dwarf Fortress\companion\dfwin32.py", line 81, in read
raise WinError()
WindowsError: [Error 299] Only part of a ReadProcessMemory or WriteProcessMemory request was completed.

Another problem from someone else:

Err, nevermind; was using 0.8 version of companion; my bad. I get the same as above with 0.9.

--[[User:Yourself|Yourself]] 23:11, 24 February 2008 (EST)

== Version 0.10-any ==

Companion 0.10-any works with 176.38c for me. However, I had to copy the "pygtk" subdirectory of an older version (0.8-python25) into the 0.10 installation and run dfcompanion_prototype.py from the command line. Just the thing to cope with those ambushes (they're a bit overpowered, don't you think?) Zombie frogmen! MUHAHAHAHAHA!!! [[User:RP|RP]] 07:32, 28 February 2008 (EST)

== 176.38b stopped working ==

The companion used to work for me in 176.38b but at some point it stopped working (after a few goblin ambushes). Here's what it does:

version generic version, pid 2732, player a6
2103 words loaded
race 0 loaded
race 1 loaded
race 2 loaded
race 3 loaded
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 402, in <module>
DFcmp = DFcompanion()
File "dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 396, in __init__
self.initList()
File "dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 123, in initList
list = self.dd.getCreatures(self.showmode,dead=self.showdead)
File "C:\Documents and Settings\Yourself\Desktop\Dwarf Fortress\companion\dwarfdbg.py", line 835, in getCreatures
col = self.getCreature(c)
File "C:\Documents and Settings\Yourself\Desktop\Dwarf Fortress\companion\dwarfdbg.py", line 502, in getCreature
c.events = self.getEvents(c)
File "C:\Documents and Settings\Yourself\Desktop\Dwarf Fortress\companion\dwarfdbg.py", line 170, in getEvents
events.append( [p, eventName[p], id] )
KeyError: 214

I don't know much about the internal structure of the companion, but couldn't you use eventName.get(p, "Unknown") as a failsafe to stop these from happening? That way new events wouldn't break everything.

--[[User:Yourself|Yourself]] 13:26, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Actually, I just made this modification and another error popped up immediately after:

version generic version, pid 2732, player a6
2103 words loaded
race 0 loaded
race 1 loaded
race 2 loaded
race 3 loaded
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 402, in <module>
DFcmp = DFcompanion()
File "dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 396, in __init__
self.initList()
File "dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 123, in initList
list = self.dd.getCreatures(self.showmode,dead=self.showdead)
File "C:\Documents and Settings\Yourself\Desktop\Dwarf Fortress\companion\dwarfdbg.py", line 837, in getCreatures
self.eventList[ event[0] ][1] += 50/event[2]
IndexError: list index out of range

I managed to make the error go away, but it's a total hack, since I don't know the structure of companion.

I changed lines 820-822, which are:

self.eventList = range(212)
for i in range(212):
self.eventList[i] = [i,0,[],eventName[i]]

Into this:

self.eventList = [[i,0,[],eventName.get(i, "??")]
for i in xrange(215)]

The companion appears to work now for me, but as I said, it's a total hack.

--[[User:Yourself|Yourself]] 13:39, 2 March 2008 (EST)

== Error ocurring (something with gdk and cairo and a .dll) ==

After installing python (2.5.2 - also tried 2.5.1 and 2.4.something) the gdk runtime environment (2.8.20) 
and those 3 packets (pygobject-2.12.3-1; pycairo-1.2.6-1; pygtk-2.10.6-1 - these 3 arent necessary for the reproduktion fo the error)

starting the "dfcompanion_prototype.py" from the any or the py2.5 package returns the following error:

"Der Prozedureinsprungpunkt "gdk_cairo_set_source_pixmap" wurde in der DLL "libgdk-win32-2.0-0.dll" nicht gefunden"
read:"could't find the routine entry point [...] in the dll[...]"

downloading a .dll from the net changes the error slightly,
now "gdk_cairo_create" is missing instead of "gdk_cairo_set_source_pixmap"

-since i've absolutely no clue what he actually wants, i hope someone can solute this X_x

Q

:Valdemar put up a link to a exe version of companion on the forums for those of us who don't have the patience to fiddle around with python. It's in the DF companion thread near the end. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 18:02, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

----

I have the exact same problem as the one above me...
--[[User:AtomicTroop|AtomicTroop]] 12:52, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

::As do I! And I'm dying to make a legendary miner/mason/brewer/grower/weaponsmith/armorsmith/swordsdwarf/seige engineer/seige operator. Honestly, that would be awesome.

And in case your computer speaks in English, the error is this:

The procedure entry point gdk_cairo_set_source_pixmap could not be located in the dynamic link library libgdk-win32-2.0-0.dll.

So, if you could could please explain how we can fix this, that would be great because your program looks awesome.--[[User:Smoking Gnu|Smoking Gnu]] 00:59, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

The problem is the link telling you to download GTK is broken, it has you download version 2.8.20 when you need 2.10.11. Go here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=98754&package_id=121281 and get the right version. --[[User:xzzy|xzzy]]

== Import Error: No module named ctypes - 0.8 and 1.0 ==

Err, just tried upgrading to the newer version of companion, and can't get it to work. I'm using the latest version of DF (incompatable?). Doesn't look like a DF problem though. I installed all of the modules, I think I'm using python version 2.4. I'll be on IRC in #bay12games if you want to try get hold of me... --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]
:You must have the 2.5 version. ctypes is a module that is only in Python 2.5. You should either upgrade Python to 2.5 or download the [http://bartabox.banquise.net/df/companion-0.10-any.zip -any version]. (0.10 works fine for me in the latest DF version and I have 2.4 too)--[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 20:39, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

== DwarfCompanion Fails to load (inexplicably) 0.10 ==
I've been able to run DwarfCompanion just fine for a week or so now. However, starting tonight with a fort that has been able to be modified before, I now get this as the error that displays-

version generic version, pid 1960, player a6
2103 words loaded
race 0 loaded
race 1 loaded
race 2 loaded
race 3 loaded
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\DF Utils\companion-0.10-any\companion\dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 402, in <module>
DFcmp = DFcompanion()
File "C:\DF Utils\companion-0.10-any\companion\dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 396, in __init__
self.initList()
File "C:\DF Utils\companion-0.10-any\companion\dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 123, in initList
list = self.dd.getCreatures(self.showmode,dead=self.showdead)
File "C:\DF Utils\companion-0.10-any\companion\dwarfdbg.py", line 835, in getCreatures
col = self.getCreature(c)
File "C:\DF Utils\companion-0.10-any\companion\dwarfdbg.py", line 502, in getCreature
c.events = self.getEvents(c)
File "C:\DF Utils\companion-0.10-any\companion\dwarfdbg.py", line 170, in getEvents
events.append( [p, eventName[p], id] )
KeyError: 213

This is an error due to lack of sanity checking on the events list. Put this in instead of events.append( [p, eventName[p], id] )

try:
events.append( [p, eventName[p], id] )
except KeyError:
print "No such event %s known" % p

[[User:Qmarx|Qmarx]] 20:36, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

::Bingo. This fixed my problem as well. Thanks! [[User:Lightning4|Lightning4]] 13:09, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

== Easy Python/PyGTK installer ==

I was having some trouble getting all the Python dependencies to work properly together, but after some research I found a nice all-in-one PyGTK installer that works perfectly with companion 0.10. http://aruiz.typepad.com/siliconisland/2006/12/allinone_win32_.html Hope this helps!

== Error -- entry point g_timeout_add_seconds_full ==

The procedure entry point g_timeout_add_seconds_full could not be located in the dynamic link library libglib-2.0-0.dll

I installed these modules

* Python (works with any version, 2.5 is prefered)
* "Gtk+/Win32 Runtime Environment Installer"
* For python 2.5 users, just grab the utility at this place.
* Install the three modules from this page (PyCairo, PyGObject, PyGTK)

After trying to run it I received that erro.

I also tried companion-0.11-any.zip and it didn't work.

Edit: I uninstalled all the components and reinstalled with that all-in-one python installer and it works now.--[[User:Richards|Richards]] 15:46, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

== Adding Additional Ingredients to Artifacts ==
A nifty little trick. You have to micromanage a little, though. Anyway, as soon as your moody dwarf has claimed a workshop, hopefully he'll leave to grab the first item. As soon as he starts walking to get it, fire up companion and change the first required object. The moody dwarf will complete the fetching duty for the original first item, then go to get the new first item. Repeat until you have enough items stored in the workshop for your satisfaction, then let your poor moody dwarf finally collect everything he needs. All of the collected items will be used as artifact components.[[User:QMarx|QMarx]] 10:24, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

==Feature request: custom wounds==

It would be nice if we could directly edit the wound levels of creatures, instead of being forced to either heal them entirely or make them bleed to death. Someone with a mangled leg could, for instance, be manually healed to a broken leg; this would allow us "strict" players to have mangled dwarves heal, until Toady corrects the "phantom pains" issue and allows mangled injuries to heal over to permanent debilitations. --[[User:JT|JT]] 18:22, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

== Command Line? ==

I have everything installed (2.5 and then the runtime) but Dwarf Companion crashes on me. How do I run it from a command line so I can see the errors? I'm on Media Center/XP. All I have time to read before it crashes is something about an invalid access to memory location.

== Unable to run ==

Whenever I try to load it, it won't run, I ran the game and downloaded everything. This is all that happens:

version v0.27.169.88a, pid 2760, player 0
0 words loaded

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Users\Todd\Downloads\DF STUFF\companion\dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 390, in <module>
DFcmp = DFcompanion()
File "C:\Users\Todd\Downloads\DF STUFF\companion\dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 336, in __init__
self.dd = dwarfdbg()
File "C:\Users\Todd\Downloads\DF STUFF\companion\dfdbg.py", line 102, in __init__
self.getWords()
File "C:\Users\Todd\Downloads\DF STUFF\companion\dfdbg.py", line 218, in getWords
kptr = self.getLong(vec2[1]+race*4)
File "C:\Users\Todd\Downloads\DF STUFF\companion\dfdbg.py", line 114, in getLong
return struct.unpack("L", self.dbg.read(ptr, 4))[0]
File "C:\Users\Todd\Downloads\DF STUFF\companion\dfwin32.py", line 81, in read
raise WinError()
WindowsError: [Error 998] Invalid access to memory location.

--[[User:0todd0|0todd0]] 01:05, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

It doesn't recognize your df version ... do you have debug privileges on the dwarf fortress process? Is it the latest version?
[[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 08:51, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

yes, it's the latest version. What do you mean by "debug privileges?" --[[User:0todd0|0todd0]] 23:23, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

: I had this exact error too, until I right-clicked on dfcompanion_prototype.py and went to "open with" to find two python options, the second one worked. Have you got python previously installed and if so can you try uninstalling all versions and re-installing the latest one again? This could be a stab in the dark however... --[[User:Mrchinchin25|Mrchinchin25]] 23:48, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:: I recently downloaded this: what's been said so far to fix this problem isn't doing anything at all. Again, what do you mean "debug privileges?" --[[User:Pseu|Pseu]] 19:35, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

:::I was a moder for Elder Scrolls 4 and it required both python 2.4 and 2.5 to mod. Though t see if this would work, i uninstalled python 2.4 but it didn't, i'll try what you said Mrchinchin... --[[User:0todd0|0todd0]] 20:32, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

::::In regards to debug privileges in Win XP. Start->Control Panel->Administrative Tools->Local security Settings->local policies->user rights assignment->debug programs (on the right pane)--[[User:kirk|kirk]] 11:58, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

:::::I'm having the same issue with DF 0.27.176.38c and the newest version of Companion (downloaded it today). Also, kirk's info above isn't useful to anyone who is using XP Home - Local Security Settings isn't there. --[[User:Tyranic-Moron|Tyranic-Moron]] 22:06, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

== Moogie's Problem ==

I'm getting this:

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Documents and Settings\Moogie\My Documents\Dwarven Fortress\companion
\dfcompanion_prototype.py", line 3, in <module>
import gtk
ImportError: No module named gtk

I have Gtk 2.10.11-1 installed in the Companion folder. I have Python 2.5.1 installed from ages ago when I used to play Oblivion.

Why isn't it seeing Gtk there?

Wow, I have no idea what I'm doing. The above comment is from me (Moogie). I don't know how to add a title or anything, sorry.

: Don't worry, I'm sure you'll get it eventually. I've shifted your error into it's own section anyway, hopefully it's more noticeable this way. --[[User:Tyranic-Moron|Tyranic-Moron]] 18:52, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

== Not running on Windows X64 either ==

Okay since it doesn't run on Win2000, I bought a new PC just to get some better FPS on Dwarf Fortress, but this tool won't run on it either.

I get the following error:

WindowsError: [Error 299] Only part of a ReadProcessMemory or WriteProcessMemory request was completed.

Tried Python 2.4 and 2.5 and different versions of this utility but all are giving the same error.

== Missing DLL file ==

I have the latest version of Python. I downloaded all the required files. When I run DFcompanion_prototype.py, I get "This application has failed to start because libglib-2.0-0.dll was not found. Re-installing the application may fix this problem."

Why is it giving me this message if I've already installed all the required files?

== Install Questions ==

"For python 2.5 users, just grab the utility at this place, and unzip it (warning, this is an old version). "
It's an old version of dwarf companion? If that's the case, where is the most recent version? I don't see it on your page. ([[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]] 11:58, 30 July 2008 (EDT))

User:Slitherrr

2008-07-30T12:52:39Z

Slitherrr: New page: Fo sho.

Fo sho.

40d:Windmill

2008-07-29T18:10:32Z

Slitherrr: /* Construction */

{{Machine_component|name=Windmill|key=m
|construction=
* 4 [[Wood]]
|construction_job=
# [[Architecture]]
# [[Carpentry]]
|power=Generates 40, 20, or 0 power, depending on wind level
}}

A '''windmill''' is a [[machine component]] that provides [[power]] via wind on the surface of a fortress map. The power produced by each windmill depends on your fortress location.

== When it works ==

A windmill generates power under the following conditions:
# Its center tile is outside.
# The map has wind.
#* Some maps have strong wind (40 power per windmill), some have weak wind (20 power), and some have no wind at all.
# It is not connected to frozen machinery, such as a screw pump or water wheel in ice.

When all of these conditions are met, the windmill will produce power at its center square and transmit it downwards.

== Construction ==

To place a windmill, it must either be supported by machinery from below or on a stable foundation (floor). In either case, the build site must be reachable, either from one of the tiles the windmill is being built on or from adjacent surrounding tiles.

=== Variants ===

==== Standard windmill ====
# Build the windmill.
# Excavate a path under it to the center of its base, 1 [[z-level]] down.
# Add a vertical [[axle]], [[gear assembly]] or machine there, which will have power. A floor between the windmill and this is fine.

==== Windmill tower ====

The "windmill tower" option is useful if you can't dig below your windmill (if, for example, there is a room or underground river there).

# Build a 3×3 platform (or 8-tile ring) out of floors one level above the ground floor.
# Build the windmill on top of the platform.
# Directly beneath the windmill, on the ground floor, build a gear assembly.
# Connect this assembly to horizontal axles, and power your machines.
# If desired, remove excess floors/stairs.

==== Sunken windmill ====

You can build windmills underground if the central square in the windmill is "outside" (channel the roof away above it). 

==== Windmill farm ====
Several windmills can be linked together via gear assemblies and axles. The first windmill needs a gear assembly beneath it. After that, each windmill will require one gear assembly beneath it and two axles to connect to the next windmill. All windmills produce normal power for the map, but remember that gears and axles will use power produced by the windmills, meaning you'll lose moderate amounts of power connecting your farm together.

==== Hanging windmill ====
# Build building you want powered and up stairs with one tile between them.
# Build down stairs above the up stairs.
# Build windmill directly over building that needs or transfers power.
# (optional) remove the stairs.
This option has one main weakness: It can't be used to power gear assemblies that are linked to levers/pressure plates, because as soon as the assembly turns off it stops supporting the windmill which falls down.

== Using the power ==

Getting power out of a hanging windmill is straightforward. As long as the machinery it's hanging on is a vertical axle, gear assembly, or screw pump, it will be powered.

Windmills with stable foundations are harder. A vertical axle or gear assembly beneath the center tile should always be powered, but the actual behavior seems buggy or non-intuitive; if it doesn't work, try re-building the machinery below the windmill.

== Construction Examples ==

See [[Machinery/Examples]].

[[Category:Constructions]]
[[Category:Machine components]]

40d:Strange mood

2008-07-28T17:50:59Z

Slitherrr: /* Demands */ Demand syntax has changed as of 39

Periodically, individual dwarves are struck with an idea for a [[legendary artifact]] and enter a '''strange mood'''. Any dwarf which enters a strange mood will stop whatever they are doing and pursue the construction of this artifact to the exclusion of all else. They will not stop to eat, drink, sleep, or even run away from dangerous creatures. If they do not manage to begin construction of the artifact within a handful of months, they will go [[Strange mood#Failure|insane]] and die soon afterward.
==Overview==
The entire process can be summarised as follows:
# Strange moods can only occur when the below necessary [[#Conditions|conditions]] are met.
# The game will pause, center on a dwarf, and announce that the dwarf has entered one of five different types of strange mood. The [[#Types|types of mood]] are listed below. While in a mood, a dwarf will display a blinking exclamation point (see [[status icons]]).
# The dwarf will claim a workshop, kick out any dwarf who was using it, and render it unusable until the mood has been resolved. If a moody dwarf does not claim a workshop, it is because the appropriate workshop does not exist. See [[#Skills and workshops|skills and workshops]] below to determine which workshop(s) might be required.
# After claiming a workshop, the dwarf will set about collecting the required materials for their artifact. If the dwarf remains idle inside the workshop, it's because they cannot find the right material. Reference the [[#Demands|demands]] section to determine what may be required.
# Once all materials have been gathered, the game will once again pause and center, and the moody dwarf will begin construction. Upon completion the dwarf will gain a legendary skill (unless the mood type is [[#Possessed|possessed]]). See the [[#Skills and workshops|skills and workshops]] for information on which skills can be gained, or the [[#Artifacts created|artifacts created]] section for more details on the artifacts themselves.

== Conditions ==
Strange moods can only occur when there is no currently active strange mood, there are eligible dwarves, there are at least 20 dwarves alive {{verify}} and the maximum number of artifacts is not met. If all three of these conditions are true, the game may trigger a strange mood according to the frequency below.

=== Eligibility ===
Military and civilian dwarves, and children, may enter strange moods regardless of what skills they have. Dwarves who have created an artifact are not eligible to create another, and since every mood ends in either death or an artifact, every dwarf may enter at most one mood. Dwarves who have obtained one or more legendary skills without creating artifacts may enter strange moods. Appointed [[nobles]] may create artifacts, but immigrated nobles may not{{verify}}.

=== Maximum number of artifacts ===
The maximum number of artifacts in any one fortress is limited by the lower of:
* The number of items created divided by 200
* The number of revealed [[subterranean]] tiles divided by 2308 (this is an area equivalent to a 48x48 square).

=== Frequency ===
When a fortress is started, an internal counter is set to 1000. Around 11 or 12 times per day, this counter is decremented by 1. When the counter would ordinarily be decremented when it has already reached zero, there is a 1 in 500 chance that a strange mood will strike. This means there is approximately a 2.7% chance of a strange mood per day, and a 48.97% chance of a strange mood per month, when all conditions are met.

== Types ==
The first message in the following sections is how the mood is announced; the second message appears in the dwarf's profile when he or she is viewed with the {{K|v}} key. All moody dwarves will have "Strange Mood" listed as their active task.

=== Fey ===
* ''Taken by a fey mood!''
* ''Has the aspect of one fey!''

This is the most basic strange mood. Fey dwarves will clearly state their demands when the workshop they are in is examined.

=== Secretive ===
* ''Withdraws from society...''
* ''Peculiarly secretive...''

Secretive moods are the same as fey moods, except a secretive dwarf will sketch pictures of their required materials instead of clearly stating their demands.

=== Possessed ===
* ''Has been possessed!''
* ''Possessed by unknown forces!''

Possessed dwarves have cryptic material requests, and have the unfortunate distinction of not receiving any experience upon successful construction of an artifact. It is unknown if controllable circumstances lead to a possessed mood instead of one of the more desirable fey or secretive moods.

=== Fell ===
* ''Looses a roaring laughter, fell and terrible!''
* ''Has a horrible fell look!''

A dwarf that goes into a fell mood will always take over a [[butcher's shop]] or a [[tanner's shop]]. The dwarf will then ''murder'' the nearest dwarf, drag the corpse into the shop and make some sort of object out of dwarf [[leather]] or [[bone]]. Once the artifact is completed, the fell dwarf will become a legendary [[bone carver]] or [[leatherworker]]. Strangely, none of the other dwarves seem to mind the murder. Only unhappy dwarves may enter a fell mood.

Aside from the potential loss of an important dwarf in the wrong place at the wrong time, there doesn't seem to be any downside to a fell mood. The end result is always an artifact and a legendary craftsdwarf. Since the only ingredient used (a dwarf) is available in abundance, a fell mood will only fail if the fell dwarf is completely isolated from other dwarves, or if the proper workshop does not exist.

=== Macabre ===
* ''Begins to stalk and brood...''
* ''Brooding darkly...''

Macabre moods are similar to fell moods, but the dwarf will not murder a fellow dwarf. A macabre dwarf may require dwarf bones, skulls, and chunks/remains; if you do not happen to have any, you will have to "make" some, or let the moody dwarf go insane. Like fell moods, only unhappy dwarves can enter macabre moods.

== Skills and workshops ==
{| class="wikitable" cellpadding="4" style="border:1px solid black;border-collapse:collapse;text-align:left;float:right;margin:0 0 20px 30px;"
|-
! colspan="2" style="background-color:#eee;border-bottom:1px solid black;text-align:center;" | Artifact Skill Rewards
|-
! Highest skill
! Workshop used
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Armorsmith]]
| [[Magma forge]] or [[Metalsmith's forge]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Bonecarver]]
| [[Craftdwarf's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Bowyer]]
| [[Bowyer's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Carpenter]]
| [[Carpenter's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Clothier]]
| [[Clothier's shop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Engraver]]
| [[Craftdwarf's workshop]] or [[Mason's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Furnace operator]]
| [[Magma forge]] or [[Metalsmith's forge]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Gem cutter]]
| [[Jeweler's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Gem setter]]
| [[Jeweler's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Glassmaker]]
| [[Glass furnace]] or [[Magma glass furnace]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Leatherworker]]
| [[Leatherworks]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Mason]]
| [[Mason's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Mechanic]]
| [[Mechanic's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Metal crafter]]
| [[Magma forge]] or [[Metalsmith's forge]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Metalsmith (skill)|Metalsmith]]
| [[Magma forge]] or [[Metalsmith's forge]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Miner]]
| [[Craftdwarf's workshop]] or [[Mason's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Stone crafter]]
| [[Craftdwarf's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Tanner]]
| [[Tanner's shop]] or [[Leather works]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Weaponsmith]]
| [[Magma forge]] or [[Metalsmith's forge]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Weaver]]
| [[Clothier's shop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Wood crafter]]
| [[Craftdwarf's workshop]]
|}

A dwarf will claim a workshop according to their highest applicable skill, and upon completion of the artifact, gain 20,000 experience in that skill (excepting possessed dwarves). This will give the dwarf a legendary-level skill and a number of attribute gains. The table to the right describes all applicable skills and their potential workshop requirements. When multiple workshops are listed, the dwarf may require one or the other, so ensure both are available, if possible. (i.e. if you have a magma forge, you may have to build a regular forge for him). If a dwarf does not possess one of the listed skills, they will take over a [[craftdwarf's workshop]] and gain one of the [[bonecarver]], [[stone crafter]], or [[wood crafter]] skills.

Skills which do not produce artifacts:

{|
|- style="vertical-align:top;"
| style="padding-right:30px;" |
* [[Animal caretaker]]{{Verify}}
* [[Animal dissector]]{{Verify}}
* [[Animal trainer]]
* [[Brewer]]
* [[Butcher]]{{Verify}}
* [[Cheese maker]]{{Verify}}
* [[Cook]]{{Verify}}
* [[Dyer]]{{Verify}}
* [[Fish cleaner]]
* [[Fish dissector]]{{Verify}}
* [[Fisherdwarf]]
* [[Grower]]
* [[Herbalist]]{{Verify}}
|
* [[Lye maker]]{{Verify}}
* [[Milker]]{{Verify}}
* [[Miller]]
* [[Potash maker]]{{Verify}}
* [[Pump operator]]{{Verify}}
* [[Siege engineer]]
* [[Siege operator]]{{Verify}}
* [[Soaper]]{{Verify}}
* [[Thresher]]
* [[Trapper]]{{Verify}}
* [[Wood burner]]{{Verify}}
* [[Wood Cutter]]
* All [[military]] skills
* All [[social skills]]

|}

This fact can be utilized to maximize the possibility of getting a dwarf with a legendary skill you want: where possible, make sure each dwarf's highest skill is one of those you want. Have all your peasants, growers, soldiers (you will have to temporarily deactivate them from the military), and other dwarves without skills do a tiny bit of work in the skill(s) you most want (Armorsmith is possibly the most-desired legendary skill); if a "dabbling" skill is the highest they have, that is the skill that will be used.

 

== Demands ==
Once a workshop is claimed, the dwarf will begin collecting materials. Each artifact will require between one and ten materials to complete. If the moody dwarf remains idle, then the necessary materials are not available. [[Forbidden]] items must be reclaimed ({{K|d}} - {{K|b}} - {{K|c}}) before they may be used, but moody dwarves will ignore settings regarding [[economic stone]]. Press {{K|q}} and highlight the workshop to receive a series of clues about what the dwarf needs. Hints that stay active for longer than about 2 seconds mean multiple pieces of that material will be required. Materials will always be fetched in order, so if at least one item has already been retrieved (the items will show up with "TSK" next to them when the workshop is viewed with the {{K|t}} context menu), it will usually be possible to tell what item is required next.

Specific sub types of material may be required{{Verify}}, such as a [[diorite]] [[stone]], [[bronze]] [[bar]]s, or a specific type of raw [[gem]]. For this reason, it is usually a good idea to keep as many types of material on hand as possible, including raw and cut gems and the three different kinds of glass.

The various demands are translated here:

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:left;width:90%;"
|-
! Material
! Fey
! Secretive
! Possessed
|-
|
| <dwarf> screams "I must have <demand>!"
| <dwarf> sketches pictures of <demand>.
| <dwarf> mutters "<artifact> needs <demand>..."
|-
| [[Stone]]
| rock{{verify}}
| a quarry
| stone... rock
|-
| Stone [[block]]
| rock blocks
| square blocks
| blocks... bricks
|-
| [[Wood]]
| wood logs
| a forest
| tree... life
|-
| Metal [[bar]]
| metal bars
| shining bars of metal
| bars... metal
|-
| [[Gem]]s (cut)
| cut gems
| cut gems
| gems... shining
|-
| [[Gem]]s (raw)
| rough gems
| rough gems
| rough... color
|-
| [[Glass]] (green)
| ?
| glass
| raw... green
|-
| [[Glass]] (clear)
| ?
| glass and burning wood
| raw... clear
|-
| [[Glass]] (crystal)
| ?
| rough gems and glass
| raw... crystal
|-
| [[Bone]]
| bones
| skeletons
| bones... yes
|-
| [[Shell]]
| shells
| a shell
| a shell...
|-
| [[Leather]]
| tanned hides
| stacked leather
| leather... skin
|-
| [[Cloth]] (plant)
| plant fiber cloth
| stacked cloth
| cloth... thread
|-
| [[Cloth]] (silk)
| silk cloth
| stacked cloth
| cloth... thread
|}

== Artifacts created ==
The type of artifact created will depend on the dwarf's highest skill. Masons will always create some kind of stone object; Bone Carvers, a bone or shell object; Carpenters, a wood object, etc. Miners and engravers will usually turn out a stone craft or piece of furniture; furnace operators, a metal craft or piece of furniture; Weavers, an article of clothing.

The first object grabbed by the dwarf will be the "primary" substance; all other materials will be used to decorate the artifact. If a dwarf grabs onyx and makes a bed, for instance, it will be an "onyx bed", but an artifact can potentially be composed of bone, cloth, gems, leather, metal, shell, stone, and wood all at once. In some cases, glass makers will actually grab the nearest rough gem instead of a piece of raw glass, leading to such odd constructions as a [[Moss agate]] [[coffer]].

Once created, the [[artifact]] will be available for use just like a normal item of its type. Artifact furniture is useful for high value [[noble]] rooms, and weapons can be used to great effect in combat.

== Failure ==
If you can't provide all the required items within a couple of months, the dwarf will go insane and cancel the artifact. This [[insanity]] can take several forms:

* Become melancholy. The dwarf will either refuse to eat or drink until dead, or drown themselves at some point. They may also hurl themselves into the [[river]], [[chasm]], or [[magma]] immediately.
* Become a babbling wreck. A dwarf experiencing this will drop all the items he or she is wearing, one by one, and eventually starve to death.
* Go on a murderous rampage.

The first two outcomes are harmless (except to the moody dwarf, who will die), but you may want to station a squad nearby or assign a few war dogs to the dwarf on the chance that they will lash out. If you build your workshops inside enclosed rooms (with doors), you can also lock the moody dwarf in the room until he or she starves.

Anything that would cause the dwarf to cancel the strange mood job (like being attacked or having the workshop destroyed) will cause [[insanity]]. Note that the [[insanity]] can happen even when the dwarf is not deadlocked on an item; there have been observed instances where a dwarf goes insane while in the process of carrying a required item back to the commandeered workshop. Notably, giving birth while in a strange mood does not interrupt the dwarf; she will ignore the baby until her mood is resolved and it will wander off in the meantime.

40d:Strange mood

2008-07-28T17:50:00Z

Slitherrr: /* Skills and workshops */

Periodically, individual dwarves are struck with an idea for a [[legendary artifact]] and enter a '''strange mood'''. Any dwarf which enters a strange mood will stop whatever they are doing and pursue the construction of this artifact to the exclusion of all else. They will not stop to eat, drink, sleep, or even run away from dangerous creatures. If they do not manage to begin construction of the artifact within a handful of months, they will go [[Strange mood#Failure|insane]] and die soon afterward.
==Overview==
The entire process can be summarised as follows:
# Strange moods can only occur when the below necessary [[#Conditions|conditions]] are met.
# The game will pause, center on a dwarf, and announce that the dwarf has entered one of five different types of strange mood. The [[#Types|types of mood]] are listed below. While in a mood, a dwarf will display a blinking exclamation point (see [[status icons]]).
# The dwarf will claim a workshop, kick out any dwarf who was using it, and render it unusable until the mood has been resolved. If a moody dwarf does not claim a workshop, it is because the appropriate workshop does not exist. See [[#Skills and workshops|skills and workshops]] below to determine which workshop(s) might be required.
# After claiming a workshop, the dwarf will set about collecting the required materials for their artifact. If the dwarf remains idle inside the workshop, it's because they cannot find the right material. Reference the [[#Demands|demands]] section to determine what may be required.
# Once all materials have been gathered, the game will once again pause and center, and the moody dwarf will begin construction. Upon completion the dwarf will gain a legendary skill (unless the mood type is [[#Possessed|possessed]]). See the [[#Skills and workshops|skills and workshops]] for information on which skills can be gained, or the [[#Artifacts created|artifacts created]] section for more details on the artifacts themselves.

== Conditions ==
Strange moods can only occur when there is no currently active strange mood, there are eligible dwarves, there are at least 20 dwarves alive {{verify}} and the maximum number of artifacts is not met. If all three of these conditions are true, the game may trigger a strange mood according to the frequency below.

=== Eligibility ===
Military and civilian dwarves, and children, may enter strange moods regardless of what skills they have. Dwarves who have created an artifact are not eligible to create another, and since every mood ends in either death or an artifact, every dwarf may enter at most one mood. Dwarves who have obtained one or more legendary skills without creating artifacts may enter strange moods. Appointed [[nobles]] may create artifacts, but immigrated nobles may not{{verify}}.

=== Maximum number of artifacts ===
The maximum number of artifacts in any one fortress is limited by the lower of:
* The number of items created divided by 200
* The number of revealed [[subterranean]] tiles divided by 2308 (this is an area equivalent to a 48x48 square).

=== Frequency ===
When a fortress is started, an internal counter is set to 1000. Around 11 or 12 times per day, this counter is decremented by 1. When the counter would ordinarily be decremented when it has already reached zero, there is a 1 in 500 chance that a strange mood will strike. This means there is approximately a 2.7% chance of a strange mood per day, and a 48.97% chance of a strange mood per month, when all conditions are met.

== Types ==
The first message in the following sections is how the mood is announced; the second message appears in the dwarf's profile when he or she is viewed with the {{K|v}} key. All moody dwarves will have "Strange Mood" listed as their active task.

=== Fey ===
* ''Taken by a fey mood!''
* ''Has the aspect of one fey!''

This is the most basic strange mood. Fey dwarves will clearly state their demands when the workshop they are in is examined.

=== Secretive ===
* ''Withdraws from society...''
* ''Peculiarly secretive...''

Secretive moods are the same as fey moods, except a secretive dwarf will sketch pictures of their required materials instead of clearly stating their demands.

=== Possessed ===
* ''Has been possessed!''
* ''Possessed by unknown forces!''

Possessed dwarves have cryptic material requests, and have the unfortunate distinction of not receiving any experience upon successful construction of an artifact. It is unknown if controllable circumstances lead to a possessed mood instead of one of the more desirable fey or secretive moods.

=== Fell ===
* ''Looses a roaring laughter, fell and terrible!''
* ''Has a horrible fell look!''

A dwarf that goes into a fell mood will always take over a [[butcher's shop]] or a [[tanner's shop]]. The dwarf will then ''murder'' the nearest dwarf, drag the corpse into the shop and make some sort of object out of dwarf [[leather]] or [[bone]]. Once the artifact is completed, the fell dwarf will become a legendary [[bone carver]] or [[leatherworker]]. Strangely, none of the other dwarves seem to mind the murder. Only unhappy dwarves may enter a fell mood.

Aside from the potential loss of an important dwarf in the wrong place at the wrong time, there doesn't seem to be any downside to a fell mood. The end result is always an artifact and a legendary craftsdwarf. Since the only ingredient used (a dwarf) is available in abundance, a fell mood will only fail if the fell dwarf is completely isolated from other dwarves, or if the proper workshop does not exist.

=== Macabre ===
* ''Begins to stalk and brood...''
* ''Brooding darkly...''

Macabre moods are similar to fell moods, but the dwarf will not murder a fellow dwarf. A macabre dwarf may require dwarf bones, skulls, and chunks/remains; if you do not happen to have any, you will have to "make" some, or let the moody dwarf go insane. Like fell moods, only unhappy dwarves can enter macabre moods.

== Skills and workshops ==
{| class="wikitable" cellpadding="4" style="border:1px solid black;border-collapse:collapse;text-align:left;float:right;margin:0 0 20px 30px;"
|-
! colspan="2" style="background-color:#eee;border-bottom:1px solid black;text-align:center;" | Artifact Skill Rewards
|-
! Highest skill
! Workshop used
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Armorsmith]]
| [[Magma forge]] or [[Metalsmith's forge]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Bonecarver]]
| [[Craftdwarf's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Bowyer]]
| [[Bowyer's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Carpenter]]
| [[Carpenter's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Clothier]]
| [[Clothier's shop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Engraver]]
| [[Craftdwarf's workshop]] or [[Mason's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Furnace operator]]
| [[Magma forge]] or [[Metalsmith's forge]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Gem cutter]]
| [[Jeweler's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Gem setter]]
| [[Jeweler's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Glassmaker]]
| [[Glass furnace]] or [[Magma glass furnace]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Leatherworker]]
| [[Leatherworks]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Mason]]
| [[Mason's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Mechanic]]
| [[Mechanic's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Metal crafter]]
| [[Magma forge]] or [[Metalsmith's forge]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Metalsmith (skill)|Metalsmith]]
| [[Magma forge]] or [[Metalsmith's forge]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Miner]]
| [[Craftdwarf's workshop]] or [[Mason's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Stone crafter]]
| [[Craftdwarf's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Tanner]]
| [[Tanner's shop]] or [[Leather works]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Weaponsmith]]
| [[Magma forge]] or [[Metalsmith's forge]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Weaver]]
| [[Clothier's shop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Wood crafter]]
| [[Craftdwarf's workshop]]
|}

A dwarf will claim a workshop according to their highest applicable skill, and upon completion of the artifact, gain 20,000 experience in that skill (excepting possessed dwarves). This will give the dwarf a legendary-level skill and a number of attribute gains. The table to the right describes all applicable skills and their potential workshop requirements. When multiple workshops are listed, the dwarf may require one or the other, so ensure both are available, if possible. (i.e. if you have a magma forge, you may have to build a regular forge for him). If a dwarf does not possess one of the listed skills, they will take over a [[craftdwarf's workshop]] and gain one of the [[bonecarver]], [[stone crafter]], or [[wood crafter]] skills.

Skills which do not produce artifacts:

{|
|- style="vertical-align:top;"
| style="padding-right:30px;" |
* [[Animal caretaker]]{{Verify}}
* [[Animal dissector]]{{Verify}}
* [[Animal trainer]]
* [[Brewer]]
* [[Butcher]]{{Verify}}
* [[Cheese maker]]{{Verify}}
* [[Cook]]{{Verify}}
* [[Dyer]]{{Verify}}
* [[Fish cleaner]]
* [[Fish dissector]]{{Verify}}
* [[Fisherdwarf]]
* [[Grower]]
* [[Herbalist]]{{Verify}}
|
* [[Lye maker]]{{Verify}}
* [[Milker]]{{Verify}}
* [[Miller]]
* [[Potash maker]]{{Verify}}
* [[Pump operator]]{{Verify}}
* [[Siege engineer]]
* [[Siege operator]]{{Verify}}
* [[Soaper]]{{Verify}}
* [[Thresher]]
* [[Trapper]]{{Verify}}
* [[Wood burner]]{{Verify}}
* [[Wood Cutter]]
* All [[military]] skills
* All [[social skills]]

|}

This fact can be utilized to maximize the possibility of getting a dwarf with a legendary skill you want: where possible, make sure each dwarf's highest skill is one of those you want. Have all your peasants, growers, soldiers (you will have to temporarily deactivate them from the military), and other dwarves without skills do a tiny bit of work in the skill(s) you most want (Armorsmith is possibly the most-desired legendary skill); if a "dabbling" skill is the highest they have, that is the skill that will be used.

 

== Demands ==
Once a workshop is claimed, the dwarf will begin collecting materials. Each artifact will require between one and ten materials to complete. If the moody dwarf remains idle, then the necessary materials are not available. [[Forbidden]] items must be reclaimed ({{K|d}} - {{K|c}}) before they may be used, but moody dwarves will ignore settings regarding [[economic stone]]. Press {{K|q}} and highlight the workshop to receive a series of clues about what the dwarf needs. Hints that stay active for longer than about 2 seconds mean multiple pieces of that material will be required. Materials will always be fetched in order, so if at least one item has already been retrieved (the items will show up with "TSK" next to them when the workshop is viewed with the {{K|t}} context menu), it will usually be possible to tell what item is required next.

Specific sub types of material may be required{{Verify}}, such as a [[diorite]] [[stone]], [[bronze]] [[bar]]s, or a specific type of raw [[gem]]. For this reason, it is usually a good idea to keep as many types of material on hand as possible, including raw and cut gems and the three different kinds of glass.

The various demands are translated here:

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:left;width:90%;"
|-
! Material
! Fey
! Secretive
! Possessed
|-
|
| <dwarf> screams "I must have <demand>!"
| <dwarf> sketches pictures of <demand>.
| <dwarf> mutters "<artifact> needs <demand>..."
|-
| [[Stone]]
| rock{{verify}}
| a quarry
| stone... rock
|-
| Stone [[block]]
| rock blocks
| square blocks
| blocks... bricks
|-
| [[Wood]]
| wood logs
| a forest
| tree... life
|-
| Metal [[bar]]
| metal bars
| shining bars of metal
| bars... metal
|-
| [[Gem]]s (cut)
| cut gems
| cut gems
| gems... shining
|-
| [[Gem]]s (raw)
| rough gems
| rough gems
| rough... color
|-
| [[Glass]] (green)
| ?
| glass
| raw... green
|-
| [[Glass]] (clear)
| ?
| glass and burning wood
| raw... clear
|-
| [[Glass]] (crystal)
| ?
| rough gems and glass
| raw... crystal
|-
| [[Bone]]
| bones
| skeletons
| bones... yes
|-
| [[Shell]]
| shells
| a shell
| a shell...
|-
| [[Leather]]
| tanned hides
| stacked leather
| leather... skin
|-
| [[Cloth]] (plant)
| plant fiber cloth
| stacked cloth
| cloth... thread
|-
| [[Cloth]] (silk)
| silk cloth
| stacked cloth
| cloth... thread
|}

== Artifacts created ==
The type of artifact created will depend on the dwarf's highest skill. Masons will always create some kind of stone object; Bone Carvers, a bone or shell object; Carpenters, a wood object, etc. Miners and engravers will usually turn out a stone craft or piece of furniture; furnace operators, a metal craft or piece of furniture; Weavers, an article of clothing.

The first object grabbed by the dwarf will be the "primary" substance; all other materials will be used to decorate the artifact. If a dwarf grabs onyx and makes a bed, for instance, it will be an "onyx bed", but an artifact can potentially be composed of bone, cloth, gems, leather, metal, shell, stone, and wood all at once. In some cases, glass makers will actually grab the nearest rough gem instead of a piece of raw glass, leading to such odd constructions as a [[Moss agate]] [[coffer]].

Once created, the [[artifact]] will be available for use just like a normal item of its type. Artifact furniture is useful for high value [[noble]] rooms, and weapons can be used to great effect in combat.

== Failure ==
If you can't provide all the required items within a couple of months, the dwarf will go insane and cancel the artifact. This [[insanity]] can take several forms:

* Become melancholy. The dwarf will either refuse to eat or drink until dead, or drown themselves at some point. They may also hurl themselves into the [[river]], [[chasm]], or [[magma]] immediately.
* Become a babbling wreck. A dwarf experiencing this will drop all the items he or she is wearing, one by one, and eventually starve to death.
* Go on a murderous rampage.

The first two outcomes are harmless (except to the moody dwarf, who will die), but you may want to station a squad nearby or assign a few war dogs to the dwarf on the chance that they will lash out. If you build your workshops inside enclosed rooms (with doors), you can also lock the moody dwarf in the room until he or she starves.

Anything that would cause the dwarf to cancel the strange mood job (like being attacked or having the workshop destroyed) will cause [[insanity]]. Note that the [[insanity]] can happen even when the dwarf is not deadlocked on an item; there have been observed instances where a dwarf goes insane while in the process of carrying a required item back to the commandeered workshop. Notably, giving birth while in a strange mood does not interrupt the dwarf; she will ignore the baby until her mood is resolved and it will wander off in the meantime.

40d Talk:Strange mood

2008-07-28T17:48:38Z

Slitherrr: /* clarification on "trade" skills */

Does the new version still have the strange mood? It wouldnt be complete without it!

:It still exists, I've had it happen several times now, I went to the archive wiki and copy/pasted the old page.

::Isnt that why the wiki was nuked? To make sure that no old info lingers? Ill put some "verify" in there, I dont think that the bold text is enough for users to understand that some of this may no longer apply. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 06:03, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::I agree. Although moods themselves don't seem to have been changed in this version, the changes to the stones/ores that they use means that some of the information in this article is no longer true. I'll have a go at cleaning it up when I have the proper time for it, but this wiki definitely needs a 'no copypasting from the archives' rule to avoid screwups like this. If people are going to copypaste old stuff, then it is downright irresponsible of them not to verify the accuracy of the information before committing it to the wiki. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]]

I know, I was a huge fan of that little strange aspect of the old one.

I need my dwarfs to make more swordfish bone swords, and i still need some glass weapons/armor

The moods seem to have changed. One of my dwarfs went fey, made a nice hematite mug, and is now a legendary... Engraver. Very wierd, he also had no stoneworking or other craftdwarf skills. But he was a competent mason. This was also my fifth dwarf who took the same craftworkshop, so it's a bit strange. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 17:36, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Six fey dwarf, all took the craftdwarfshop, now my bowyer took one. Think it might be a bug. Is the 15 artifacts limit still in? --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:34, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:: Whohoo my second legendary engraver made a gold mug. My bowyer became a legendary engraver. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:40, 8 November 2007 (EST)
::: Scratch all that, one of my woodworkers just used a carpenters shop. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 07:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:Have you marked all statements in the article that risks being falsified with <nowiki>{{verify}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 19:41, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Hey, I am getting a dwarf who wants "raw...crystal". Help? -- [[User:Bovinepro|Bovinepro]]
:Probably wants raw crystal glass. I had a dwarf ask for "raw...green", they wanted raw green glass. Looks like Toady might have moved the glass demands out of the "rough...color" category. [[User:Iddq?|Iddq?]]

About the engravers taking over craftdwarf's shops and becoming legendary engravers afterwards is quite true. I recently got a bunch of immigrants, and the engraver that came with them fell into a strange mood before even crossing the bridge on my river. He took over a craftdwarf's workshop and made a basalt scepter, and now he's legendary level in engraving. So yeah, perfect laboratory conditions, he was 100% engraver when he went into his mood and came out a legendary engraver. --[[User:Zhang5|Zhang5]] 17:07, 12 November 2007 (EST)

It seems that no craft skill is required. I just had a peasant go into a strange mood. His skills were: competent marksdwarf; novice wrestler; novice armor wearer. He grabbed a craftsdwarf's workshop and 10 items (3xFelsite, Schorls, Tigereyes, Red Beryls, Giant cave swallow leather, Grizzly Bear Leather, Rough harlequin opals and Ash logs -- guess he has expensive taste?) and churned out an idol in relatively short order. This is my 9th successful mood in this fortress, and I've seen requests for between 3 and 10 items, personally. Since they seem to be increasing in complexity, I've either hit the item cap, or I'm about to break ten :) [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 16:34, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:This is consistent with older versions. Moody peasants would become crafters, and 10 items was the cap. The minimum was 1 item -- generally when constructing a "perfect gem".--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:55, 19 November 2007 (EST)

I had a miner go into a strange mood, take over a mason's workshop, and make a something that got him up to legendary miner status. In my current fort, I have had 6 artifacts made, 2 of which were actual moods and 5 of which were possessions (I can add, one of them failed and the dwarf became a babbling wreck). My dwarves love to use only one item: an oak door (1 item), an olivine coffin (2 items), a turtle shell mask (1 item and is my cheapest artifiact at 3600), a diorite amulet (3 items), and a perfect jelly opal (1 item). --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 18:47, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Where to add the info that in my game (.33c) a miner took over a mason's workshop, became legendary miner and then held the artifact in his right hand instead of a pick, which became 'hauled', then droped the pick and then took the pick with his left hand? He can mine after all these. While holding a 667 weight units cabinet in his right hand. --[[User:Another|Another]] 10:07, 1 December 2007 (EST)

I had dwarf Miller, profecienty Grower who had Fey Mood, and he became a Legendary Mason ....
Is it normal ? [[user:Feydreva|Feydreva]]

One of my dwarves has become possessed and is demanding cloth, bones and stone, which I have plenty of. But he refuses to go fetch them. Is there something I'm doing wrong?—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Patarak|Patarak]] ([[User talk:Patarak|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Patarak|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}
: They want either silk or fiber cloth. Make sure you have both! [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 03:40, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Aargh! One of my dwarves went secretive and is demanding a huge list of stuff. He seems to be demanding two types of stone because the "sketches quarry" message stays on twice as long as the others. I have (and he has gathered) flint: is there any way to tell what kind of stone he wants? --[[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 011:55, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I had a Glassmaker that sat around when I had a lot of Magma Glass Furnaces, but then decided to get going when I made a regular Glass Furnace. Seems like they will only use a specific kind. Not sure yet if it's random. Might be they won't take the Magma Glass Furnace in version 38a. Can anyone verify? --[[User:Afbee|Afbee]] 05:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

: My Glassmaker successfully used Magma Glass Furnace in a fey mood. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 07:54, 24 February 2008 (EST)

==Maximum number of artifacts==
Well, I just got my umpteenth mood, and it resulted in the 16th successfully created artifact.(33b) So that 15 cap thing is clearly wrong. As it happens, this single artifact is worth 754,800, and is an adamantine spear decorated with, among other things, adamantine. For the record, in case this data is important to someone tabulating number of ingredients, my moods in order created the following objects using the corresponding number of ingredients: (Flute, 4; Mechanism, 4; Spear, 3; Millstone, 6; Ring, 8; Chest, 7; Cape, 7; Ring, 9; Statue, 8; Idol, 10; earring, 8; Buckler, 8; Table, 3; Mechanism, 10; Bracelet, 5; and Spear, 8). [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:54, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Do fell/macabre moods still exist? I haven't seen any for quite a few versions. It'd be nice to have that verified.—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rabek|Rabek]] ([[User talk:Rabek|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rabek|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}

== clarification on "trade" skills ==

Are trade skills all the skills that produce items with some level of quality? Mainly I want to know if dyer is a trade skill. And how does that work with miner? I didn't think miner was a trade skill. Maybe someone who knows more than me could clarify in the wiki.
I just got my first artifact. It's worth 2400. The dwarf took one log and made a scepter. -[[User:Radtse|Radtse]]

:I don't know exactly, we should make a list of the skills we know are not trade skills. I'll start: my brewer/grower once got a strange mood and made a wood item and gained woodcrafting skill. Let's try to only add to the list when we have experienced a moody dwarf with that skill only.--[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 19:36, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::I'm adding Weaver and Furnace Operator to this list, since they're on the wiki. I haven't seen them myself, but I'm assuming someone else has. Knowing that Furnace Operator is a "fey-able" skill will be quite helpful.-[[User:Radtse|Radtse]] 18:28, 29 December 2007 (EST)

:::Where's cooking fit in? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 20:09, 6 January 2008 (EST)

List of non-trade skills:

* [[Brewer]]
* [[Grower]]
* [[Miller]]
* [[Wood Cutter]]

Skills that may be used and gained by dwarves with no trade skills:

* [[Wood crafter]]
* [[Stone crafter]]

Skills that use a different skill(See list above), but give correct skill:

* [[Miner]]
* [[Engraver]]
* [[Furnace Operator]]
* [[Weaver]]

:::For the record, i can confirm both Furnace Operator and Weaver, since no one else has commented to verify them thus far. (The weaver actually surprised me when it happened). --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:43, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:::I can confirm that a Miner will claim a Mason's shop, and produce a stone item, even with no Mason skill at all. It works just like the wiki says. --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 23:47, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

:::And I can confirm that Wood Cutter does not contribute -- I had a Novice Glassmaker/No Prefix Wood Cutter take a glass furnace. [[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]] 13:48, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

== mood condition ==
The 20 dwarves / no crazy stuff has been found while looking at the binary of v0.27.169.33d, might be different now, but i don't think so. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 15:08, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Regarding the calulations for required maximum existing artifacts (items/200 and dugout/(48*48)) wouldn't it make more sense to either use the squared symbol, or the actual result of that square (which was the original number actually discovered/revealed I believe)? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:17, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:<sup>2</sup> --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 21:28, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

:20 dorf must be still there. I've made low-population fort and I had no mood for ~8 years (from start). I'm sure that I've digged at least 2700 tiles and created at least 300 items. I will test if raising population to 20 will cause moods. I think that 20 dwarf limit should be mentioned even if it's not confirmed. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 18:30, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

== Random Workshop Seizure ==

I just had a gem cutter seize a carpenter's workshop and make a perfect gem; upon completion I had a worthless Legendary dwarf and a new jeweler's workshop, so I guess that's still in from the previous version. I've removed the verify in the article. [[User:Tacroy|Tacroy]] 16:51, 9 January 2008 (EST)

:nonsense. Should be a bigger chance of making ZOMG high-quality gem crafts now ;) --[[User:Frostedfire|Frostedfire]] 07:35, 18 February 2008 (EST)

::More to the point, if you don't like the profession your dwarf has Legendary in...draft for the stats! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:16, 18 February 2008 (EST)

== forbidden items ==

Do moody dwarfs use forbidden items? Will they demand forbid items? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 02:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

:I don't know whether moody dwarves will use forbidden items (my guess would be they won't). But they don't choose the demands based on what is on the map, they can and do demand things you don't have. So it's safe to assume forbidding doesn't prevent dwarves from demanding the forbidden kind of item. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 16:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

::Forbidden items are not used. Similarly, if your mooder slipped in e.g. an iron bar when you wanted him to use a platinum bar, you can forbid AND dump the item to stop him from using it. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 16:35, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

== Impossible Requests? ==
Will dwarves try to use items that you just don't have access to? I had a dwarf asking for silk when I haven't imported any and I'm pretty sure there isn't a giant spider anywhere. Also asking for "rocks" when I have mined at least one of each type of rock that is visible (requiring rocks from unmined areas seem pretty harsh). Also a request for "metal bars" when I have smeltered at least one of each ore I have found and made at least one of each possible alloy. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 23:27, 26 February 2008 (EST)
:Yeah, impossible stuff is all my dwarves ever want. :-P Right now mine appears to want stone I don't have, and no traders have come by with any stone.... So my guys are frantically mining in various directions.... [[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 13:59, 7 March 2008 (EST)

::As far as i can tell they never request anything it is truly impossible for you to get. Available by trade seems to imply possible for the game engine though. Too bad if its the start of winter (which is when all my moods which require things I don't have and can't produce happen, of course). But if there's no sand on your map at all you will not be asked for glass, since you can't trade for sand. (If there's 5 tiles of sand under that underground lake you haven't found yet... sucks to be you - my first fortress lost 3 dwarves to this). So yes, requiring things present on the map that you haven't found yet appears to be possible and routine. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:48, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

== Procastinator! ==

I just had a moody dwarf demand bones, wood, rocks, and cloth.

He got the rocks okay, and then did nothing for ages. Then, as soon as the fire imp corpse rotted away, he ran down and got the bones, then ran over to my wood stockpile and got a piece of wood...

Do they need to get their ingredients in order now?--[[User:Shadow archmagi|Shadow archmagi]] 06:28, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:i think so, not that it matters, he wont start unless he has ALL the ingridents.

== gems ==
My moody dwarf asked for 2 kinds of rough gems, but i had cut all rough ones at that point. So i "printed out" all layers and started checking for leftover gems in the walls. Guess what, he picked the first 2 kinds i mined. So either

* random/pure luck (don't think so)
* they only ask what they "see"
* they only ask what is somehow on the map
* or they might even adapt somewhat to availability, but i doubt that. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 15:59, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

:I believe, but don't know for sure, that sometimes they want specific items and sometimes they just want anything in a category of items, such as any rough gems in this case. It used to work that way in the 2d version, didn't it? --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 12:23, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
::Confirming behaviour that BahamutZERO sees. Dwarves will '''always''' grab the closest object that falls under the category unless he is requesting a specific metal, specific silk, or specific plant fiber cloth. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:25, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Just standing around? ==

I have a dwarf who was possessed, but won't leave the main hall. He's also a novice in everything, but to be safe I've already cleared the shops. It's winter of my first year, but somehow I've already had 2 waves of immigrants. Back to the point, I'm afraid he's going to wait out the mood and go berserk. Help?
--[[User:Ilmmad|Ilmmad]] 20:00, 6 March 2008 (EST)
:Well, make sure u ve got one workshop of every possible kind available - there are however quite a few u dont need to build, its covered in the article. Check for locked doors or otherwise blocked access (bridges, channels, statues..) Dont forget furnaces, glass and magma. Check with 'q' if all workshops are completely build. If it doesnt help consider building workshops not related to his skills, or more "exotic" ones, like Ashery or Alchemist. No one can guarantee that Toady didnt have some new fun ideas ;) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:59, 6 March 2008 (EST)

== stark raving suicide ==

My mechanic wanted silk cloth, which I didn't have, and eventually gone insane ("stark raving mad" to be precise).
Seconds after that I had message that he died in heat (I had artificial magma pool nearby).
He probably jumped into the pool like in melancholy. Main article states that only melancholic dwarves kill themselves in such way.
Could anyone confirm that mad ones do that too, and this wasn't just an accident/bug? [[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 16:59, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

:Perhaps it ''was'' an accident -- I seem to recall that "stark raving mad" ones wander around at random. Perhaps it wandered into the lava. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 18:30, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

== Glassmaker with no glass ==

I had an immigrant glassworker get a mood, seize a glass workshop, and created an artifact made entirely of gemstones. No glass involved or asked for. (No sand on the map, anyway.) He turned into a Legendary Glassworker, despite having never made a glass anything.

== Rewrite ==

I think I got most of the old information and then some into the new article. Please make any necessary modifications. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 01:22, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

== Silk Cloth ==

I had a dwarf demand silk cloth, but he refused to use my giant cave spider silk cloth. I didn't have any regular cave spider silk cloth. To verify that the silk was the problem, I used Companion to change the silk demand to any stone, and he immediately collected the rest of the materials and constructed the artifact.
Can anyone else confirm that giant cave spider silk cloth does '''not''' count as silk cloth? --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:55, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:No, I'm pretty sure I can't. I've seen a dwarf grab GCS silk. Could it be that you had thread and not cloth? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 13:59, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::Nope, giant cave spider cloth [3] sorted under cloth on the stock screen. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 16:52, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Probably they may specifically require GCS silk or specifically require CS silk. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 14:10, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
I figured it out - the silk was outside and I had accidentally left "Dwarves Stay Inside" on after the latest attack. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:52, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Engineer taken by secretive mood, and creates... ==

Evidently engineers who are taken by a secretive mood ("withdraws from society", in case it's later determined that the descriptor has an effect) will have no problems taking over the mechanic's workshop. And there's only one thing mechanic-shops build - that's right, you heard right, ladies and gentlemen, I present ''Kodor ós: A claystone mechanism''. It's even available for use from the appropriate {{k|b}})uild screens. He decided to make this splendid 86,400o creation while on an eight-mechanism binge in that very same mechanic's workshop. Maybe dwarves choose the workshop they've been in the most often? --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

:Ah, actually I can confirm I've had a Mechanic create an artifact mechanism as well. Stick some obsidian swords in that baby and you'll be good to go! That should probably go in the main article for skills vs workshops... I would expect siege engineers also have strange moods, but I imagine pump op and siege op fall under the general craftsman catch-all --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 15:45, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::I'd like to smack BismuthBismuthBismuth with the facts stated in the article.
A dwarf will claim a workshop according to their highest applicable skill
::In this case it was Engineering and therefore your mechanic went to a Mechanic's Workshop. It's the same with the possessed glassmakers. They hit a glassmaker's shop. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:49, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:::I'd like to hit GreyMario-Maria, preferably in the upper-body region, with the fact that at the time of my post, the table in the article did not mention mechanics whatsoever. --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 22:26, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::::Pardon me, but I was not aware that ''mechanics'' worked at a ''mechanic's workshop'', where objects are created that have ''quality mofidiers'' and can thus become ''artifacts''. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:28, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:::::Pardon me as well, but it seems that the table in [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Strange_mood&oldid=25231 this particular revision] did not encapsulate this information. '''GreyMario is throwing a tantrum!''' --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:22, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
::::::Mechanics. Work at a mechanic's workshop. Produce items which have visible quality modifiers. Items with visible quality modifiers are eligible to be artifacts. THEREFORE, mechanics claim mechanic's workshops when they go fey. Seriously, logic sometimes, please? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:30, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
:::::::That would follow if we knew for certain that the proposition "items with visible quality modifiers are eligible to artifacts" is necessarily true. We don't. For instance, siege engine components are not verified as artifact eligible. Since that isn't a given, it's perfectly reasonable for people to not jump to the conclusion that a job type will create artifacts relevant to it until they see it happen. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 16:26, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Tanner fixed ==

I just had a Tanner claim a leather works, not a tannery. I updated the table. For the record, the dwarf has no skill level in leather working.

:I wonder if Tanners even claim Tanner's shops? Tanner's shops just make leather, and leather doesn't have quality modifiers, so you shouldn't be able to produce an artifact from one, aye? That information came from an older version of the page, I wonder if it was inaccurate. Weavers supposed claim Clothier's shops and not Looms, so it would make sense if Tanners were the same way. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 18:08, 2 June 2008 (EDT)