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v0.31:Maximizing framerate

2011-06-06T01:13:06Z

Savok: Undo revision 149691 by 82.156.155.55 (Talk): For any sane pathfinding implementation, that should *reduce* fps.

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[[File:Frames_Per_Second_Meter.png|300px|thumb|bottom|A picture of Dwarf Fortress with Frames Per Second displayed.]]

{{L|Frames per second|Framerate}} is used in Dwarf Fortress to measure the speed at which the game is running. It is measured in "frames per second", or FPS for short. To check your FPS in Dwarf Fortress, simply change [FPS:NO] to [FPS:YES] in {{l|init.txt}}, and your FPS will be displayed on the top row of the screen. The first number is the current frame rate, while the number in parentheses is the current graphical frame refresh rate.

==Increasing your Framerate==
In general, the more stuff the game has to keep track of, the slower the game will run. So, reducing the amount of stuff active keeps your game running fast. Some possible reasons for slowdown, and ways to reduce and/or eliminate them:

* Each dwarf needs to keep track of where he's going.
** Limit the number of dwarves by setting the population cap.
* Each animal needs to pathfind, too.
** Tame animals can be put into {{l|cage}}s, keeping them from having anywhere to go. Or you can butcher them.
* Invaders also need to pathfind.
** Turn off invasions using the option in {{l|D_init.txt}}.
* Contaminants, including {{l|blood}} spatters, accumulate on the ground and on dwarves and creatures. When they walk over contaminants, these sometimes get smeared and spread. There is a bug ({{bug|296}}) which makes contaminants continuously multiply and another bug ({{bug|3270}}) which prevents blood spatters from ever disappearing.
** There is a setting in D_init.txt (as of {{version|0.31.16}}) that prevents them spreading from dwarf (or animal) to ground. For [[DF2010:Fortress_mode|Fortress Mode]], this is [[DF2010:Technical_tricks#More_Game_Options|WALKING_SPREADS_SPATTER_DWF]] and is already turned off by default.
** If the contaminants are outside, isolate the area and let [[DF2010:Weather|rain]] slowly wash it away. Pets can be kept out with a [[Activity_zone#Pen.2FPasture|pen/pasture]] or a [[DF2010:Activity_zone#Pit.2FPond|pit]]. Similarly, setting the {{l|traffic}} designation to restricted and/or assigning [[Activity_zone|Activity Zones]] strategically may keep dwarves away.
** Add in some in-fortress means of cleaning dwarves and pets. The "Dwarven Bathtub" is one example. And make sure you have the {{l|cleaning}} labor enabled. Details of these and other suggestions can be found on the {{l|cleaning}} page.
** Finding the above cleaning measures too tedious or lacking, some players opt to [[DF2010:Cheating|cheat]] by using the [[DF2010:Utilities#dfcleanmap|dfcleanmap]] tool from the [[DF2010:Utilities#DFHack|DFhack]] library.
* G_FPS is a setting in the {{l|init.txt}} file. It controls how often Dwarf Fortress redraws the screen. It also controls how often the game checks for keyboard or mouse input.
** Reducing G_FPS can speed up the rest of the game. The default choice of 50 works well, but many people reduce it down to 20 with no ill effect.
** Reducing G_FPS too far can make the game unresponsive and glitchy. Some people can cope with 5; most cannot.
* PRINT_MODE is another init setting. It controls the method Dwarf Fortress uses to draw the screen.
** More advanced methods allow DF to make more use of OpenGL features and therefore your graphics card. STANDARD is a good starting point.
** More advanced methods may still have bugs. 2D is more likely to be reliable.
* {{l|Temperature}} and {{l|Weather}} are two more features which users may or may not notice.
** Disabling them, using the settings in d_init.txt, can speed things up.
** But then rain won't refill {{l|murky pool}}s, {{l|magma}} won't melt {{l|goblin}}s, etc.
* The size of your world and embark site both increase the amount of terrain which DF needs to keep track of.
** If you don't mind going vertical, try reducing your embark site from the default 4x4 squares to 3x3 or even 2x2.
** World size probably doesn't matter except for the size of the save files, but reducing the number of cavern layers (default of 3) will help. You need at least 1 cavern layer to get underground {{l|crop|plants}}, and 2 caverns to get all the underground {{l|tree}}s.
* Proper use of {{l|traffic}} designations will help.
** Setting corridors to "high" traffic, and dead-end workshop rooms next to them to "low" traffic, means the pathfinder algorithm will search more quickly along the corridor, and waste less time searching in the rooms.
* Closing off unused areas with raised {{l|bridge}}s and locked {{l|door}}s can help.
** Reducing the area which the pathfinder algorithm has to search lets it run faster.
** In general the pathfinder algorithm is good about not searching irrelevant areas. Caverns are probably the worst offender.
* Fewer items inside a fort means fewer items to be {{l|stockpile}}d, checked for {{l|wear}}, and so on and so forth.
** Use a {{l|Dwarven atom smasher}} to remove items, or donate them to {{l|Trading|passing caravans}} to be taken away.
** Don't dig out so much of the ground, don't build such large {{l|Farming|farm plot}}s, just don't generate so many items in the first place.
* Flowing {{l|water}} slows the game down.
** Don't build {{l|mist}} generators, {{l|Screw pump|pump stacks}}, or other major water-moving projects. If you do build them, build a {{L|Lever|way to switch them off}}.
** Don't embark on a {{l|river}} or {{l|ocean}}. Rivers aren't too bad in their natural state, because the game only needs to calculate at where the water enters and where the water leaves, more-or-less skipping the water in between. Then you start damming them and pumping water out, and it gets worse.
** {{l|Aquifer}}s don't impose load until you start digging around in them.
**{{l|Water wheel#Perpetual motion|Dwarven water reactors}} also slow down the game, often significantly.
* Disabling your Dwarven civ from wearing clothing as a mod (required regen of world) may help maintain higher fps later in the game{{bug|3942}}, if you don't mind naked dwarves running around. Alternatively, finding a way to dump excess/worn out clothing might help restore fps on existing fortresses. Requires research.

v0.31:Known bugs and issues

2011-05-31T09:52:03Z

Savok: /* Not Actually Bugs */

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'''PLEASE SUBMIT BUGS TO THE OFFICIAL BUG TRACKER - THEY WON'T GET FIXED IF THEY ARE ONLY LISTED HERE.''' 
'''[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/ Dwarf Fortress Bug Tracker]'''

'''Please link to the mantis tracker issue as well as the forum post if possible.'''

'''This page recently underwent a major cleanup edit. See the talk page for more info.'''

:As the version is new, and we're still discovering bugs, a lot of unverifiable information is going to get added to this thread. It is recommended that new entries be added with "'''(confirmation needed)'''", and that others can discuss and document each bug on the discussion page. Following confirmation of a bug with a specific description of what's occurring, the parenthetical can be removed.

:Please also read the 'Not Actually Bugs' section before adding bug reports!

==Not Actually Bugs==
*Animals are listed twice in some places, including the embark and trade agreement screens.
:They're listed twice because they separately list males and females.

*Weird coloured letter in top left corner
:"''' C '''" means new combat report
:"''' H '''" means new hunting message
:"''' S '''" means new sparring message
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=52514.0 Forum Link]

*No option for magma in the finder
:[[Magma]] is guaranteed everywhere now.

*Unable to add items or skill points on the embarking screen.
:Check your keybindings! By default the keys to add and remove items and skills are + and - on the numpad.

*{{L|Wrestling}} will take much longer than combat using any kind of weapon (unlike in 40d.) One can set init/announcements.txt to show wrestling chokeholds in fort mode.

*Nobles demands cabinets in their room but cabinets cant be assigned to any dwarf
:Placing a cabinet into any other room the noble has already been assigned is counted towards the cabinets he has demanded. Same goes for armor stands, weapon racks and chests.

== Embarking ==

*You can embark with some rather unrealistic prepared foods (such as fly brains, which in real life go at about 900 thousand brains to the pound). These unrealistic foods have also been seen in trading. This may be related to further issues involving vermin's organs. (Each 'Unit' of Food is representative of enough food to feed a dwarf for just over a month.)

*You may get a "Cavern Collapse" announcement as soon as you arrive. (Perhaps many times, if you have a volcano in your ocean...)
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=51 Bug Tracker]

== Sites ==

*Magma pipes in volcanoes extend to the top of the map, past the mountain itself.
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=52412.0 Forum Link]

*Magma tubes remain the same shape and size the whole way down and may be square.
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=52412.0 Forum Link]

*<s>There are currently very few or even no fish. This includes brooks, rivers, oceans, ponds, lakes (underground and otherwise). You may get a few turtles sometimes.
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=52217.0 Forum Link]
:[http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=2015 Bug Tracker]</s>
Fixed in .22. There may still be an issue with fish getting extinct eventually after 20+ years.

== Buildings and Zones ==

*<s>Can't farm on dry soil underground.
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=51951.msg1123336#msg1123336 Forum Link]</s>
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=13 Bug Tracker] -- '''Fixed''' in .31.19.
:Also, when you have selected Smooth Stone for a farm plot area, the dwarves will clean away the mud right from under the farm plots, rendering them useless until re-irrigated and rebuilt.

*Construction and/or deconstruction can occasionally force some dwarves to idle.
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=51953.msg1123250#msg1123250 Forum Link]

*<s>When linking buildings to levers/pressure plates, the view may center on a different building than the one that is currently selected. (However, the view switches to the correct building after it is selected)</s>
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=1915 Bug Tracker] -- '''Fixed''' in .31.13.

*Setting workshop profiles according to minimum and maximum skill levels does not work, typically resulting in no one being able to use the workshop. Setting a profile for individual dwarves still works.
:[http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=61051.0 Forum Link]

* Going to the zones menu and changing the placing type to flow, and then pressing ESC causes a crash.
: Forum link/Bug tracker link requested

* Kiln gives message no task available when there is plaster, ash, buckets, and charcoal available
:[http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=63169.msg1457910#msg1457910 forum link]

* Sometimes, building a Smelter inside a burrow will prevent you from queuing up jobs. Use your Manager to queue up jobs instead, or remove the Smelter from the burrow to solve this problem.
: Forum link/Bug tracker link requested

* Ashery takes all the buckets whenever it is making lye, but never returns back. Cause seems to be when it takes a bucket that has water and makes lye on it.

== Combat ==

*Some combat maneuvers have no effect.
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=51953.msg1123104#msg1123104 Forum Link]

*Attempting to grab a bodypart with a weapon leads to "you grab *** by *** with your *weapon* but nothing is grabbed

*Attempting to "pinch" various body parts shows "you adjust you grip on***" and nothing else.

*Alligators can wear armor
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=51953.msg1123104#msg1123104 Forum Link]

*<s>Non-alive creatures (like bronze colossuses, zombies and blizzard men) cannot be destroyed (possibly because they can't bleed to death nor have their brain destroyed). Arena testing has revealed that [[dragonfire]] and [[magma]] can melt bronze colossuses, and falling from very high up may kill some undead creatures.</s>
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=51953.msg1123220#msg1123220 Forum Link] -- '''Fixed''' in .10

*Shield-bashing has no effect with a wooden shield
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=51953.msg1123499#msg1123499 Forum Link]

*<s>Ballistae have been nerfed considerably: They now easily glance off normal clothing and are very unlikely to kill anything with armour.</s>
:-- '''Fixed''' in .10

*<s>Animals with teeth do nearly no damage. Don't count on your wardogs to help defend your fortress.</s>
:[http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=55798.0 Workaround]
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=744 Bug Tracker] -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.06}}

== Labors ==

*Hunting Issues
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=51953.msg1123228#msg1123228 Forum Link]

*<s>Miners now cancel mining designations when they can't reach them</s>
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=51953.msg1123272#msg1123272 Forum Link] -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.03}}

*<s>Metal goblets are sometimes iron, regardless of input</s>
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=51953.msg1123533#msg1123533 Forum Link] --'''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.11}}

*Manager screen doesn't show you materials for traction benches
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=51953.msg1123533#msg1123533 Forum Link]

*<s>Workers are too dedicated, dehydrate themselves. This was intended as a helpful feature, as dwarves will try to finish what they are doing before running off to eat. However, many players view it as a bug, because it can cause dwarves that are far from food to begin with to starve to death. Working while hungry or thirsty also causes unhappy thoughts, slower work, and worse quality work.</s>
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=51953.msg1123599#msg1123599 Forum Link]
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=8 Bug Tracker] --'''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.07}}

*<s>Cooking with alcohol is buggy</s>
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=51953.msg1123702#msg1123702 Forum Link] -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.08}}

*<s>When crafting shell crafts, craftsdwarves never actually produce a shell craft, but instead sit forever with the same shell, with their skills increasing.</s>
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=206 Bug Tracker] -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.11}}

*<s>Dwarves take orders to prepare meals with liquid ingredients like dwarven syrup, wine, and rum, but almost never do it and instead dump the liquid inside the kitchen where it sits cluttering it up and can't be moved... Because it's liquid.</s>
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=138 Bug Tracker]
:Workaround: Using dwarven syrup works just fine for me, but my cook always grabs at least one solid ingredient. Ie, 3 stacks of syrup + one stack of cheese -> finished and edible meal.
:Workaround: The liquid seems to be underneath the kitchen. If you remove the kitchen, some dwarf will come along and clean the spill. Then you can remake the kitchen. I'd recommend simply disabling all cooking of booze.
:-- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.08}}

*<s>Making Rock Short Sword results in a wooden short sword. Especially annoying when making an adamantine sword! (multiple reports)</s>
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=256 Bug Tracker]
:Bug is display only. Stats are based on the rock used. -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.13}}

*Metal items may require fewer bars/wafers than announcements lead you to believe. Since price of items is affected by what went into creating it, this can lead to your adamantine armor being worth far less than it would otherwise.
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=130 Bug Tracker]

*Wood cutter. Tried to upgrade his axe to a steel one, never cut another tree in his life after being forced to dump his copper battle axe. It's like wood cutting had a seperate profile and he was the only one excluded; Sure enough, turned one of my jewelers into wood cutter and it worked fine for him.

*Woodcutters can chop down trees with (wooden) training axes.
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=712 Bug Tracker]

*Immigrants can arrive with only peasant labors enabled, even if they are legendary jewelers. They may sometimes have weird labors enabled. (Stonecrafting master lye makers.)
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=110 Bug Tracker]

*In the {{k|o}}rders menu, there are options (in {{k|W}}orkshops) for auto {{k|b}}utcher, auto {{k|k}}itchen and auto {{k|f}}ishery. All three of these respond to {{k|b}} only, {{k|k}} and {{k|f}} do nothing.
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=68 Bug Tracker]

*<s>Parties never end, sometimes eating up half the labor force.</s>
:Workaround: Undesignate whatever the party is gathered around and it will end.
:-- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.11}}

*<s>Soap-making task is missing from the workshop. Issuing work order through the manager does work. Also with cutting clear and crystal glass.</s>
:The soap making task has two reagents, one of which is a barrel that [CONTAINS_LYE]. The bucket the lye is produced in doesn't count, since it's a bucket, not a barrel. Make sure you have 1) a dwarf with the appropriate hauling task enabled, 2) an empty, usable barrel, and 3) a food stockpile with lye allowed that accepts barreled inventory. Once the lye is in the barrel in the stockpile, check the soap shop again. Don't know why the glass is wonky, though. -[[Special:Contributions/76.102.26.49|76.102.26.49]] 06:27, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:-- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.09}}

* Making crystal glass is broken.
: [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=1498 Bug Tracker]

*<s>Making waterskin in leather works results in a weird item called "flask" (simply that, no mention of leather or whatever) that is never used and stays forever in the workshop. Those don't seem to cause clutter in the workshop either. (A metal variant (Ex. Iron) is now capable of being created at a metal smith, probably causing this bug. Soldiers will carry an Metal Flask).</s>
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=93 Bug Tracker]
: "Flask" can be traded, but isn't automatically moved to stockpiles (It's neither a leather good nor a finished good). They do seem to clutter leatherworkers shops, which must then be destroyed and rebuilt (0.31.06). ~Neftaly Hernandez
: You can also use the View Items in Buildings command {{k|t}} to mark the Flasks for {{k|d}}umping to remove the clutter (0.31.06). ~mk
::More on metal flasks- a friend of mine noticed that when he assigned the job "make iron flask", in would go iron bars and charcoal, and out would come 3 ''gold'' flasks. I did the same thing, except I used coke instead of charcoal, and got 3 gypsum plaster flasks.
:::Making adamantine flasks results in iron flasks.
:-- '''Fixed''', works fine in .16

*Dwarves will occasionally go exceptionally out of their way to get a material while a giant stockpile is sitting beside them (I saw my carpenter travel half the map to get a log while there was a stockpile of 20 logs beside him)
:This will happen if the stockpiled items are already reserved for another task (sometimes happens en masse if you're designating constructions from the material). If this still functions as it did in 40d, dwarves will count the number of tiles to an item 'as the crow flies' rather than checking the actual pathfinding distance, meaning that they regard items above or below their workshop as being very nearby even if the travel distance to reach them is substantial. [[User:Oddtwang of Dork|Oddtwang of Dork]] 16:20, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
:True, but I wasn't using wood for anything, only had 2 carpenters active and the wood was on the same Z plane as my workshops. The usual explanation doesn't fly for the one event I saw.
::Perhaps they had the wood hauling labor enabled and were going to haul it?
I did have a similar event, where I put some food for a militia force to patrol a cavern I uncovered around 40 z-levels down from my legendary dining hall. This resulted in 20+ dwarves venturing through deep dangerous caverns to get food. It was particularly bad when a forgotten beast showed up and massacred 15 of them.

*Canceling a job at the metalsmith can jam the shop if the item was being actively produced at that time (Cancelled job to stop untrained armorer from working on an adamantium plate armor, shop jammed and no other orders ever went through. Ordered deconstruction and then halted deconstruction to clear this up.)

== Moods ==

*Fey moods can request body parts (!!!)
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=51953.msg1123573#msg1123573 Forum Link]
:Just means shell or bone are needed (possibly also skin, skull, hoof, tooth, horn)

*Fey moods can request "rock bars." Has been seen to ignore all metal bars, ores, other rock, and rock. (Confirmed)
:I've had the same situation, but my dwarf made do with bars of [[Coke]].
:I think it means rock blocks.

*<s>Fey mood; Dwarf took only dog bones into the craftsdwarf's shop. Produced an iron figurine with an image of waves in dog bone on it.</s>{{bug|0093}} and {{bug|0359}} '''Fixed''' {{v|0.31.11}}

*<s>Fey mood;A different but related bug: in most versions, all bone artifacts are stripped of all additional decorations </s> {{bug|2806}}'''Fixed''' {{v|0.31.22}}.

*Glass Makers will not use a Magma Glass Furnace to manufacture their artifact. A traditional Glass Furnace is needed. (0.31.04-.17)
:Confirmed to occur in .17. [[Special:Contributions/74.192.98.80|74.192.98.80]]

== Creature Data ==

*<s>Descriptions sometimes take strange objects: "She likes to consume she"</s>
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=51953.msg1123533#msg1123533 Forum Link]
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=582 Bug Tracker] -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.14}}

*Giants and giantesses are mapped to the wrong gender.
:Fixed
*Unicorns give birth to elk fawns.
:Fixed
*Mountain goat fawns are called "Stray Horse foal", although having all the features of a mountain goat.
:This is due to what is assumed to be a copy/paste error in the raws - The raws list "Mountain goat kid" as well as "Horse foal" as possible child names, so it randomly picks one.
:Fixed
*In BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS both eyelids are around the right eye and clean the left eye
:Fixed

== Stockpiles ==
*Problems with categorization. (Stone is considered metal)
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=51953.msg1123178#msg1123178 Forum Link]
:[http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=157 Bug Tracker]

*Custom stockpile options don't seem to always work
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=51953.msg1123474#msg1123474 Forum Link]

*<s>Dead vermin never rot</s>
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=51953.msg1123731#msg1123731 Forum Link]
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=161 Bug Tracker] -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.04}}

*<s>"Take from stockpile" is broken</s>
:[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=52126.0 Forum Link]
: Fixed in .10
*There is no category for wood blocks. As such, wood blocks can not be removed from carpentry workshops.
:[http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=439 Bug Tracker]

== Military ==
'''{{L|Military|Main Military Page}}'''
'''[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=535 Main Military Equipment Bug Tracker Page]'''
<s>*If you set a kill order (squads -> kill -> select the target from the map) and the target escapes to outside of the map -> crash. (segmentation fault). </s> Fixed in .25, thankfully.
*Dwarves who are assigned to squads seem to be permanently affixed to the soldier life - changing schedules, training options, switching out dwarves, disbanding the squad: nothing works. All they do is eat, drink, sleep, Individual Combat Drill and take Kill orders. (Multiple reports, bug incidence is somewhat inconsistent, deconstructing assigned barracks sometimes helps.)
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=605 Bug Tracker] --'''Acknowledged''' (There may be several duplicate bug reports.)

*<s>The [[arsenal dwarf]] may assign weapons/armor that do not belong to you.</s>
:[http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=1290 Bug Tracker-Goblins] -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.06}}
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=1526 Bug Tracker-Caravans] -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.06}}
:Arsenal dwarf position deleted in .10
*Squads can get into a "permanent civilian life" and will never go into "recruit mode" unless ordered to "station" or "Kill a target", upon canceling this order they will go back to civilian mode. (Although they will perform individual combat drills, but in civilian garbs unless you replaced their equipment) [[User:Kenji 03|Kenji 03]] 11:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC).
:You mean they're supposed to not be civilians while training? Oh... yeah maybe that is a bug, never seen anything else personally - foarl 10:19, 09 April, 2010
::This bug is different - not civilian clothing, but civilian jobs. They'll work in workshops, haul goods, sit idle with "No Job", etc, and never attempt "Individual Combat Training". They do appear to equip assigned gear, though. -- 5:50, 10 June, 2010
:::Yes I can verify this bug. I have version .10 and it is still present-- None of the 4 dwarfs in 1 of my 2 squads will take on 'active' military roles such as macedwarf, marksdwarf, etc... unless they are performing a move or attack order. When a kill order was cancelled (because it was completed) they even dumped their weapons and armor right where they were! At the same time the other squad works fine other than they are all endlessly waiting for a training excercise to begin. I was able to work around this by disbanding the squad, firing the militia captain & recreating them. 17:00EST 19 July, 2010
::::This sounds like it may be a misunderstanding of the military system, because this is actually the default mode for soldiers. If their current task is "no scheduled order", they'll do civilian life + combat drills (without the soldier icon, and possibly without uniforms), but they'll respond to move/attack orders normally. The "inactive" schedule (the '''default''' schedule) has "no scheduled order" throughout. — [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] ([[User talk:Wisq|talk]]) 05:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

*<s>Bolts assigned to a squad that is then disbanded do not free up for use by other squads automatically.</s>
:-- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.11}}

*The default settings are such that your military dwarfs will train, train, train, and possibly starve in the process. [[Thirsty]] and [[Hungry]] tags are guaranteed to appear for any soldier (as they are when a dwarf does anything else in this release) because Dwarves will now try to complete a task before they eat/drink.
:{{L|Military/Guide}} -- '''Fixed''' Training dwarfs eat and drink properly in .16 (stationed military will not eat but are fed by civilians)

*<s>Dwarves will continue to train in barracks even after being removed from a squad. (Because they are completing the task they started before they will move on to something else, changing your alert helps here as well).</s>
:-- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.11}}

*<s>Dwarves will sometimes use many weapons and armor at once. When they have two weapons in the same hand, they seem to be unable to attack with either weapon.</s>
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=648 Bug Tracker] -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.11}}

*<s>Dwarves who die are still listed in the military screen in their squad without any notification of their death. This could lead to a user assigning the best equipment to a squad leader without knowledge of his demise.</s>
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=182 Bug Tracker] -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.11}}

*When [[Reclaim]]ing a lost fortress, soldiers will not use any armour or weapons assigned to them, insisting on training and fighting unarmoured and barehanded. This behaviour seems related to the [[arsenal dwarf]] position - when the fortress population becomes high enough and a dwarf is assigned to the position, soldiers will finally use the equipment they have been assigned. It seems that, on reclaiming, the game acts as if you need to have an arsenal dwarf right from the start, despite there not being any way to assign one.

*<s>Copying an empty order causes an immediate crash.</s>
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=35 Bug Tracker] -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.03}}

*<s>Going to the schedule grid of the inactive group causes an immediate crash. </s>
:[http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=156 Bug Tracker] -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.03}}

*Military orders are not removed from memory when saving/abandoning a game. When loading another savegame or starting a new fortress these orders will be applied to its squads.
:[http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=1806 Bug Tracker]
:Workaround: Quit and restart df before loading a savegame or starting a new game.

* Marksdwarves use any assigned bolts for training, regardless of ammunition settings.
:[http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=2840 Bug Tracker]

== Medicine ==
*<s>Surgeons may endlessly perform surgery on dwarves with no effect.</s>
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=318 Bug Tracker]
:Fixed
*<s>Surgeon provided constant "suturing," each time using up thread. May be related to above problem.</s> -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.07}}

*<s>Any blood smear or pool can spread indefinitely. The most common problem is a pool of blood in a high-traffic area. This causes every dwarf that touches it to get blood on them. Each dwarf will then eventually wash it off, creating another pool of blood by the well, which is likely another high-traffic area. Eventually you end up with the dining room and food stockpiles all coated with several dozen different creatures' blood.</s>
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=296 Bug Tracker] -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.16}} - An init setting to stop blood spreading has been added.

*Dwarves raid caravans for cloth (maybe thread as well) for the hospital zone.
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=66 Bug tracker]

*a bone doctor may get stuck on an 'apply cast' job while getting water. a workaround is to forbid all buckets, unforbid one and wait until it gets filled (e.g. to give to another patient or to fill a pond), forbid the filled bucket to cancel the job, then unforbid it and wait for the apply cast job to start again
:[http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=62361.0 forum thread]
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=2627 bug tracker]

== Items ==

*<s>Eating a masterwork meal will cause the cook to suffer art defacement.</s> -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.07}}

*<s>Quarry bush leaves might not appear in the kitchen menu, and dwarves might not cook them, rendering them useless except for trading.</s>
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=47 Bug Tracker] -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.02}}

*Obsidian does not appear in the accounting stone menu.
: Workaround: Remove edge tags from raws.
*Reclaim mode, some items recovered become immobile, even when claimed instead of forbidden. Buidling on the area they occupy is impossible, as dwarves won't move the item.
:Workaround: Make water wash the item into a river, or somewhere it will be destroyed.
:Workaround: Channel under the item, dropping it to a lower z-level. This makes the item usable again.
:Workaround: You can use DFhacktools to unbind the work order on stuck items.

*Dwarves will frequently abandon meals they've claimed for eating, resulting in rotting food scattered about the fortress that can't be stored, hauled, or dumped by any dwarf, including the one who claimed it.
**Build something on the tile to solve

* Dwarves may drop a bucket somewhere, and constantly try to use that bucket again, but not be able to find it, resulting in endless announcements.

*Dwarves are incapable of putting on clothing that they've acquired, causing them to wander around naked as their clothes wear out.
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=2481 Bug Tracker]

==Nobles==

*<s>When the mayor dies, all nobles are removed until a new mayor is elected.</s>
:Workaround: To speed up this process, set the population required for mayors to '1' in the raws (raw>objects>entity_default.txt).
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=141 Bug Tracker] -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.05}}

*<s>Former mayors continue to demand accomodations and make mandates. You can check their mandates by going to that specific dwarf's thoughts. This can cause [[fun]] as dwarves are arrested for not fufilling demands.</s>
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=814 Bug Tracker] -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.05}}

*Dungeon masters will never turn up, no matter how the Fortress progresses.
:[http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=3453 Bug Tracker]

== Graphics ==
*<s>Arena does not work for graphics mode.</s>
:[http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53505.0 Forum Link]
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=42 Bug Tracker] -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.02}}

*After generating a world and embarking, you may notice missing tiles.
:Workaround: Restart Dwarf Fortress.

*In the 'z'-status menu, there is no image for nobles/administrators. Instead, there is an empty space where the purple dwarf should be.
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=375 Bug Tracker] --'''Open'''

== Saves ==
*Renaming a save (ex. "Region2-spr-1050" to "Region2") may invalidate the save, even if you give the save its original name back. ((Confirmation needed))

I had to reload an autosave (Region1-sum-1050). Renamed the file folder(to Region1), no problems encountered (was able to load, save over, etc.)

==Trading and Depot==

*<s>Elf traders may stay a long time.</s>
:This is because creatures that the elves come with do not have pack animal values set on them, yet elves are able to use any creature as a pack animal. Check what is carrying their goods when they arrive. Often it will be warthogs, which do not have trade capacity values. Which apparently makes them carry enormous, ridiculous loads and take forever to load/unpack.
:Workaround: A fix is to go into the creature_large_topical.txt file and add in [TRADE_CAPACITY:XXXX] under the warthog's [PACK_ANIMAL] entry (where XXXX is the weight you want them to carry). Or just remove the [PACK_ANIMAL] tag altogether. Be forewarned, you may or may not have to make a new world for the fix to take effect.
:Workaround: with the game paused and the depot in view, designate treecutting {{k|d}} - {{k|t}}, and just hold down the mouse button until the depot display no longer flashes between items very quickly.
::Why this works: it has been known that certain parts of the game engine keep running while the game is paused. These include cat-dwarf adoptions and the trade liaison conversation. It appears to also apply to traders loading up their goods, and probably to unloading goods as well.
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=325 Bug Tracker] -- '''Fixed''' {{version|0.31.06}}

*No one brings wagons, even if there is a clear path to your depot.
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=197 Bug Tracker]

*Dwarves may try to eat unowned food at the Depot, but realize their mistake halfway and stop... then try again... you can see where this is going.
:[http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=237 Bug Tracker]

== Program Lockup ==

*When typing quickly in to the search tab for naming groups and fortresses at embark crashes may occur

*The DF process sometimes locks up (freezes) when alt-tabbing to another window and back.
:Workaround: That happened to me fairly often in the 40d# series. Try hitting the Alt key (I think it was Alt anyway) before you give up. [[Special:Contributions/75.210.204.237|75.210.204.237]] 04:42, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::Alt did not work, neither did control, shift, enter or any combination of those--[[Special:Contributions/208.81.12.34|208.81.12.34]] 18:22, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
:::My lockup issue seems to be related to Lotus Notes. I only get the lockup when running Notes, and I don't get locked up when not running Notes.--[[Special:Contributions/208.81.12.34|208.81.12.34]] 17:12, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Frequent Runtime Error Crashes ==
*On Windows 7 machines, frequent C++ Runtime Error crashes. Performance becomes increasingly slow until this occurs. (confirmation needed) {{version|0.31.17}}
:In addition, Dwarf Fortress.exe process is not terminated after this crash, though window closes, requires manual termination of process to stop it.

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2011-05-29T18:31:13Z

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User talk:Savok

2011-05-24T02:21:25Z

Savok:

== YOU'RE BACK! ==

You're back! Welcome back, etc. Happy happy joy joy. :D --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 21:51, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

:Er... sorry, I'm not really back; I just was kinda embarrassed and wanted to change my user page =) --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 02:21, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Savok

2011-05-23T05:44:47Z

Savok: blanked own talk page

User:Savok

2011-05-23T05:43:02Z

Savok:

I did most of my dfwikiing, what, four or five years ago? Yeah; late 2006 to early 2008, IIRC.

Looking back over my edits, I'm kinda embarrassed =/ ...at least I'm not a kid any more =)

This was a nice place. Thanks for putting up with me.

--[[User:Savok|Savok]] 05:43, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

40d:Maximizing framerate

2009-09-12T01:16:14Z

Savok: /* Advice for v0.28.181.40d */

Dwarf Fortress is an extremely CPU-intensive application that currently requires a fast, modern machine ([[System_requirements|recommendations]]). The objective of this page is to help you reduce game lag, a crippling problem for many players.

Please mark all advice with the most recent game version it is known to work for. This game is under rapid development, Toady One clearly intends to reduce lag where possible, and so methods that worked in, say, v0.27.169.33g may not a few months later.

== Advice for v0.28.181.40d ==
There exists [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=28841.0 an accelerated version] of DF. It utilizes OpenGL much more effectively. You might want to give it a try. Due to it being an alpha of an alpha you can expect anything from wonders to utter fail. 40d11 is rumored to be the most stable of the versions.

=== OpenGL ===
* If framerate is extremely slow with an otherwise CPU-friendly fortress and a decent machine, your graphic card's interaction with the OpenGL code used by the game may be at fault. Updating your drivers usually works; you may also have to adjust some settings in your graphic card's control software, such as turning vertical synchronization off.

However, the acceleration program above works by altering the way DF interacts with OpenGL. It may be worth a try too.

== Advice for v0.27.176.38c ==

=== World size ===
Reducing the generated world size will make a large improvement in speed on computers with low physical memory. The world itself is generated faster, smaller, and it will take less time to save and load.
* When starting the game pick the "Design New World With Parameters" option.
* Select medium or smaller by using the arrow keys.
* Generate the new world.
* Start a new game in the smaller world.
Smaller is not always better. If you make your world too small then there will be nothing interesting on it. So try medium first before going smaller. Pocket dimensions are generated extremely quickly but are mostly just for testing mods. Newer versions have world generation settings which can be used to create "perfect world" as small as pocket one but with most interesting things in. This however isn't easy and requires much time.

== Advice for v0.27.169.33b-g ==

=== Game options ===
In the folder "\data\init" is a file named "init.txt". Edits to this file can greatly increase game speed. Keep backups for safety and to save yourself having to re-enter values every time you upgrade.

{| border="1" cellpadding="2"
!Parameter
!Effect
!Speed Improvement
|-
|[SOUND:OFF]|| Slightly increases speed. ||Cost is lack of sounds.
|-
| [FPS:YES], [FPS_CAP:100]: ||Handy indicator of how fast your game is running.||
|-
| [G_FPS_CAP:15]:|| Controls refresh rate. ||Lower values often boost speed dramatically ... at the cost of less frequent visual updates, which can pose a problem during battles.
|-
| [VSYNC:OFF]: || Attempting to synchronize refreshes ||can kill game speed for some players (depending on your OS, graphics card, and OpenGL settings).
|-
| [PARTIAL_PRINT:YES:2]:||This makes the game only refresh sections of the screen that need to be refreshed. From init.txt: "The number refers to how many frames it will redo a printed tile before skipping it, so you might try increasing it a bit." || Can hugely increase performance but doesn't work on all systems. Using a higher value than 2 may be necessary for it to work (many players report it working when it's set one higher than their [G_FPS_CAP]).
|-
| [PRIORITY:HIGH]:||This option automatically makes the game run in high priority. ||This will probably prevent your computer from effectively running anything at the same time as the game and, for some players, causes major lag in the DF interface as well. Still worth a try, though.
|-
|[PRIORITY:REALTIME] ||devotes even more resources to Dwarf Fortress, but has been known to cause stuttering gameplay. ||Increasing priority will make the game difficult to kill using task manager if it locks up. This happens because things like screen output and HD access are not entirely part of DF. However, a dual-core machine can use realtime priority without fear of consequences, at least as long as DF remains single-threaded.
|-
| [TEMPERATURE:NO]: || Turns off temperature greatly increases speed. ||It also kills off some rather nice lava warming effects, stops rivers from freezing and (importantly!) thawing, makes glacial maps less interesting, and prevents sudden deaths from exposure. You're well-advised to stick with "warm" or "hot" fortress sites if you turn temperature off and your source of water is a stream.
|-
| [WEATHER:NO]: || Turns off weather ||increases speed noticeably.
|-
| [CAVEINS:NO]: ||Turns off cave-ins ||increases speed only fractionally.
|-
| [POPULATION_CAP:40]: || Keep your population under control to prevent the game bogging down. ||Pathfinding for numerous dwarves can bring even a fast machine to its knees.
|}

=== Fortress site ===
* Moving fluids are the major source of lag in most maps at game start. Magma and (to a lesser extent) running water are CPU hogs in the current version. If you haven't got the hardware to run DF with a magma site, suck it up and go without. Gigantic major rivers lower the framerate significantly. Aquifers (until tapped) and stagnant pools seem not to cause major speed issues.
* Avoid elevation extremes. The fewer the z-levels, the faster the game runs.
* Minimize map size. Smaller maps get you substantially more speed.
* Avoid caves, towns, ruins, or anything populated. Everything in them invokes the pathfinding code frequently.

=== Fortress layout and gameplay ===
* Narrow paths and bottlenecks cause the pathfinding algorithm to repeatedly recompute a faster route for each dwarf (and pet) as the paths empty and clear. Use large hallways and multiple stairways to connect any two spots where lots of dwarves will want to be.
* Keep wandering pets and wild animals to a minimum and cage livestock. The AI for all of these has become more efficient of late and each one costs much less CPU time than a dwarf, but sheer numbers matter.
* Avoid designating very large areas for chopping, gathering, detailing, or mining, especially if many dwarves do these things.
* Some observers suspect that having massive numbers of objects in stockpiles also impacts FPS; others believe any effect is minor{{verify}}.
* Blocking off areas of the fortress entirely - especially (only?) with removable obstacles like drawbridges or forbidden doors - causes serious problems with pathfinding.

=== Cheating ===
* Fully revealed areas are faster than hidden ones. Running reveal.exe will make the game faster.

=== Non-factors ===
The following things ''don't'' have a significant effect on game speed, at least as tested.

* Fullscreen or windowed (if OpenGL settings are compatible with the game)
* Use of [[List of user graphics sets|custom graphics sets]], choice of graphics tileset
* Size of tiles
* Number of z-levels mined out (fortress pathfinding complexity matters; mere distance up and down doesn't)

== Advice for v0.27.169.33a ==
* Upgrade.

== Advice for earlier versions ==
* If framerate is always slow at startup, your graphic card's interaction with the OpenGL code used by the game is likely to be at fault. Turning off vertical synchronization and updating your drivers usually works.
* Put animals in cages. Never keep them behind locked doors and reduce wandering pets to a reasonable number.
* Do not specify huge areas for mining or (especially) detailing.
* Open up \data\init\init.txt. Turn off TEMPERATURE and WEATHER and reduce POPULATION_CAP.

== Hardware- and OS-specific Advice ==

=== Dual Processors ===
* Go into task manager and set the affinity of Dwarf Fortress to one processor, and then set all the programs that use significant resources to the other. If Dwarf Fortress ever utilizes more than one processor, this will of course become irrelevant; currently, however, very few programs do and the best use of a dual processor is to give DF its own processor.
* Vista's START command can be used to set affinity at run-time with the AFFINITY switch.

=== Laptop computers ===
* Frame rate is higher when running off mains power. This is because laptops reduce CPU performance to extend the battery life.
* You can disable that feature in MS Windows, at the expense of the battery running out much more quickly.
* Some laptops may overheat if you run Dwarf Fortress for too long, keep your laptop cool if you find that after a while FPS suddenly drops. (This is due to CPU throttling intended to prevent possible damage from heat building up.)

===Dual monitors===
* Display DF entirely on one screen (no overlap to the second screen whatsoever).

==See also==
*[[System requirements]]
*[[water]]
*[[One-way|One-way paths]]

[[Category:Guides]]
{{Game_Interface FAQ}}

40d:Cheating

2009-09-12T01:14:58Z

Savok: /* Savescumming */

'''Cheating''' is changing the game files to make dwarf fortress easier. This is distinctly different from [[exploits]].

==Reaction Additions==
'''Note:''' All additions to the raw files require a new world to be created to take effect.

Generally speaking, ''modifications'' to an existing entry in a raw file don't require a new world.

Worlds created before the modifications were made won't be playable unless the previous version of the raw file is restored. Save your custom raw files if you want to continue playing your game at some future point.

Attempting to play worlds not generated with identical reaction additions will fail on load.

===Easy Rough Gems===

[REACTION:FREE_GEMS22][NAME: make (insert gem name)][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:(insert gem name)]

It's really easy. All you have to do is take the name of the gem from stonegem matgloss and put it in the name and at the end of the product. Take all of that and paste it into the reaction_standard. Create a new world and poof! Your smelter will spit out gems of that type.

For convience, here are all the precious gems in the game.
<pre>
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS1][NAME: make DIAMOND_LY][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:DIAMOND_LY]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS2][NAME: make DIAMOND_FY][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:DIAMOND_FY]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS3][NAME: make EMERALD][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:EMERALD]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS4][NAME: make RUBY][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:RUBY]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS5][NAME: make SAPPHIRE][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:SAPPHIRE]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS6][NAME: make DIAMOND_CLEAR][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:DIAMOND_CLEAR]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS7][NAME: make DIAMOND_RED][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:DIAMOND_RED]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS8][NAME: make DIAMOND_GREEN][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:DIAMOND_GREEN]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS11][NAME: make DIAMOND_BLUE][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:DIAMOND_BLUE]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS33][NAME: make DIAMOND_YELLOW][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:DIAMOND_YELLOW]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS44][NAME: make DIAMOND_BLACK][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:DIAMOND_BLACK]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS55][NAME: make RUBY_STAR][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:RUBY_STAR]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS55][NAME: make SAPPHIRE_STAR][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:SAPPHIRE_STAR]
</pre>

===Easy Adamantine===
Add this:

[REACTION:ADAMANTINE_WAFERS]
[NAME:make adamantine wafers]
[SMELTER]
[REAGENT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:ADAMANTINE]

into reaction_standard.txt. The next time you make a world your dwarves will be capable of creating adamantine from nothing.

*(Note) When I first tried this, the reaction failed to work. Then I removed the [REAGENT] from the list and it worked fine.

===Make Stone Into Logs===
Add this:

[REACTION:FREE_WOOD]
[NAME:stone to wood]
[SMELTER]
[REAGENT:1:STONE:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:NO_MATGLOSS]
[PRODUCT:100:1:WOOD:NO_SUBTYPE:WOOD:OAK]

to reaction_standard.txt. As with any custom addition to the raws, you must generate a new world to use it.

==Creature Token Modifications==
Note that as above, many of these changes will require a new world. The examples listed below are notable exceptions.

===If you feel you need your enemies (or victims) to drop better loot...===
...add something like this to their creature entries.

[ITEMCORPSE:ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_CHAINMAIL:METAL:ADAMANTINE]
[ITEMCORPSE_QUALITY:5]
Note that you do ''not'' need to make a new world for this to work, and that you can even change this entry in-between saves on the same adventurer (and by highly likely extension, fortress), which has immense and obvious cheating potential. You may want to take a look at the [[Item tokens]] page for a better general understanding of the ITEMCORPSE tag; ITEMCORPSE_QUALITY, on the other hand, simply ranges from 0 (no quality modifier) to 5 (masterpiece quality).

===Super-Fast Dwarves===
If you believe your dwarves are a bit too slow, try opening the following [[creature token]] file...
<pre>\raw\objects\creature_standard.txt</pre> ...and adding '''[SPEED:1]''' somewhere after '''[CREATURE:DWARF]''' but before the next '''[CREATURE]''' entry.

This will make your dwarves do the majority of their actions '''''super''''' fast, including moving, digging and workshop actions.

This may lower FPS when a high population is present{{verify}}.

==River Freeze==
By setting temperature to NO in the init.txt file, a frozen river will remain frozen even during summer, allowing you to do anything you need to do before unfreezing it. This is especially useful for retrieving items or digging tunnels straight up to water sources without them flooding.

==Savescumming==

Savescumming refers to the practice of regularly backing up your saves so you can revert to one if your fortress crumbles to the last. This can be toggled to be done automatically in the init file, so some might not consider this to be cheating.

Another method to save scum is open up task manager (ctrl+alt+delete) and open the Processes tab, and then selecting dwarfort.exe and clicking on end task. This will cause dwarf fortress to close, reverting to the last saved game. Back a long time ago, this could cause inflate errors and destroy the save-game, but Toady has solved the problem.

==Memory Editing==

:''[[:Memory editing|Main article: Memory editing]]''

Memory editing refers to using an external program to modify numbers within the game. This is at its most useful when choosing what to take with you, as you can give yourself an unlimited number of points. What doesn't work in the new version is giving your starting dwarves tons of prof skills, since there now is a limit in how many skills they can start with. You can still start your dwarves with all proficient skills, but you need to change the skill limit value first on every dwarf you want to do this with, also when editing the memory values with such programs as CheatEngine in adventure mode your point value is 4bytes but in fortress you have to change the search to 2bytes only for hex editors though(NOTE as of 0.27.176.38c I have found that you can only edit the value of the first dwarf in you starting team)

The [[utilities]] page has several tools that do specific memory hacks, such as to teleport a creature.

Don't forget, Cheat-O-Matic is a very easy to use tool for memory hacking, use it to change starting points, the dwarf skill limits, etc.

Editing the memory of a game has a possibility to cause the game to crash or misbehave, including corrupting of saves.

NOTE: WPE may be ''flagged'' as a virus because it injects a DLL, and certain viruses out there use similar techniques to steal sensitive information.

{| style="width: 100%; background: #ddd; border: 1px solid #777; border-left-color:#bbb; border-top-color:#bbb;"
|+ style="color: #fff; background: #999; border: 1px solid #777; border-left-color:#bbb; border-top-color:#bbb; padding: 0.2em 0.5em; text-align: center" | '''Links'''
|-
! style="text-align: left; padding: 0.1em 0.5em" | Various Memory Hacking Tools:
| [http://wpepro.net/index.php?categoryid=9&p13_sectionid=1&p13_fileid=79?&category=3 WPE Pro/PermEdit/Tsearch], [http://www.artmoney.ru/?threadid=2669677 ARTMONEY], [http://www.developerfusion.co.uk/show/2426/?t=38984 Cheat-O-Matic],
[http://cheatengine.org/?t=38984 Cheat Engine]
|}
[[Category:Guides]]
Guide on how to edit the starting skills and points using TSearch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boC-IxvkYsI

40d:Smoke

2009-09-12T01:08:57Z

Savok: probably, the game only distinguishes between above ground and subterannean. And gives the message accordingly.

Where there's '''smoke''', there's [[fire]].

When items burn, they release smoke into the surrounding area. The presence of smoke means that it is reasonably close to a source of fire, which can cause [[losing|fun]] times. If you see smoke, you have (or very recently had) a fire burning somewhere nearby and should take action. ''(Since fire is deadly and can easily spread, this is bad enough by itself.)''

[[Dwarves]] that inhale smoke will get unhappy [[thoughts]]. They also may get internal injuries or become [[unconscious]].

Smoke will not go through closed doors, but it is apparently thick enough to hold doors open if it gets through. Like [[miasma]], smoke can easily cross z-level]]s up or down through openings.

[[Category:Fortress mode]]
[[Category:Thoughts]]

Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Community Portal

2009-09-10T20:34:40Z

Savok:

40d:Tilesets

2009-09-10T20:32:48Z

Savok:

:''(For a chart with the default ASCII characters, see [[Character table]].)''
:''(For user-created tilesets, see [[Tileset repository]].)''
:''(For user-created creature graphics sets, see [[Graphics set repository]].)''

----

'''Tilesets''' are images the game uses to display its graphics; each tile is used to show text and represent things. Users create custom tilesets for a number of reasons, including increased visibility, aesthetics, or small size. Tilesets come in two flavors: "'''character sets'''" (or simply "tilesets") and "'''graphics sets'''".

== Overview and installation ==

=== Character sets ===

A character set is an image in BMP format that contains the 256 different tiles, corresponding to the [[Character table|IBM Code Page 437]] (sometimes called Extended ASCII), which are used to display the main graphics. [[List of user character sets|Here is the list]] of user-made standard tilesets. To install any of these tilesets, follow these steps:

# Download the tileset via right-click-save-as on the the tileset. The tileset is just an image, so there's no separate download link. (The list is [[List of user character sets|here]])
# Convert it into a 24-bit BMP file. Do NOT just change the extension to .bmp; you must use a program like MS paint to save it as a .bmp.
# Put it in the data/art directory of your Dwarf Fortress installation.
# Open data/init/init.txt
# If you want to use the tileset in fullscreen mode, locate and modify the [FULLSCREENX:800], [FULLSCREENY:600], and [FULLFONT:curses_800x600.bmp] configuration lines to match the specifications from the tileset list. The FULLFONT directive should match the filename of the tileset you downloaded. If you want to use the tileset in windowed mode, search for the [WINDOWEDX:640], [WINDOWEDY:300], and [FONT:curses_640x300.bmp] lines instead, and change them to the correct values.
# It is also recommended you change [BLACK_SPACE:NO] to [BLACK_SPACE:YES] to prevent stretching of the graphics.
# Save the file, then you're ready to play!

=== Graphics sets ===

Character sets only change certain graphics, while others are left out. The confusingly-named [[graphics sets]] are used to change the appearance of [[creatures]] in the game, such as dwarves and unicorns. These are usually designed to work together with certain character sets. The Dystopian Rhetoric graphics set comes with its own DF installer; to install any others (or to install that one manually), you follow a similar process to the above:

# Download the graphics set. (The list is [[Graphics sets|here]].)
# Convert it into a 24-bit BMP file using your favorite image editing program.
# Put it in the raw/graphics/example directory of your Dwarf Fortress installation, so it overwrites the existing file.
# Open /raw/graphics/example_text.txt
# Replace the contents with the appropriate text for the graphics set you downloaded. Save the file.
# Open data/init/init.txt
# Locate the [GRAPHICS:NO] line and change it to [GRAPHICS:YES].
# Change the resolution and font directories as above, this time for the lines starting with GRAPHICS instead. So, if you want to use fullscreen mode, modify [GRAPHICS_FULLSCREENX:800], [GRAPHICS_FULLSCREENY:600], and [GRAPHICS_FULLFONT:curses_800x600.bmp] to suit the standard tileset you want to use. For windowed mode, the lines to change are [GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDX:640], [GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDY:300], and [GRAPHICS_FONT:curses_640x300.bmp].
# Be sure to change [GRAPHICS_BLACK_SPACE] to the same setting as [BLACK_SPACE].
# Save the file, then you're ready to get mangled by a great-looking elephant!

===How to stretch the tile sets for bigger display===
Simply change [GRAPHICS_BLACK_SPACE:?] and [BLACK_SPACE:?] to NO in the init/init.txt, depending on whether you are using the graphics mode or not. This will stretch the window to the size you specified in [WINDOWEDX:?] and [WINDOWEDY:?] or FULLSCREENX:?] and [FULLSCREENY:?] or [GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDX:?] and [GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDY:?] or [GRAPHICS_FULLSCREENX:?] and [GRAPHICS_FULLSCREENY:?] depending on which mode you run DF in. (NORMAL|GRAPHICS + WINDOWED|FULLSCREEN)

IMPORTANT NOTES:
* If you are on a Mac you will have to use a program like [http://www.lemkesoft.com/xd/public/download/index._aWQ9Z2MtdWI_.html GraphicConverter] or Photoshop to save tilesets as windows bitmaps.
* Recommended only for window mode prior to version 39f, to make it easier to preserve tile aspect ratio. 39f onwards, you should choose a grid size that is of the same aspect ratio as your monitor (e.g. on a 1600x1280 monitor, choose grid size 80:64)
* Take note however that you need to set the the window size correctly.
** For versions prior to 39f, your window width in pixel size should be 3.2 (which is 80/25) times your window height in pixel size.
*: Example:
*:: if you choose window width to be 1600, i.e. [GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDX:1600] in init/init.txt file, then your height should be 1600/3.2 which gives 500, i.e. [GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDY:500] in init/init.txt. This will automatically stretch your character tiles and gfx tiles accordingly.

** For version 39f onwards where you can change the grid size, you need to compute the aspect ratio from the (grid width)/(grid height).
*: Example:
*:: if you are are using a grid size of 80 by 64, the aspect ratio should be 1.25 (from 80/64). If you set your window width to 1600, then the height will be 1600/1.25 = 1280.

* Also note that stretching a gfx tile may cause graphical artifacts (not the crafted ones in-game!) i.e. slight defects in the visuals, but it should make you able to see smaller tiles on a larger screen area. The exception is when you use a integral multiple, e.g. stretching 16x16 tiles to 32x32, which seems to produce the least artifacts.
* It is not recommended that you shrink tiles though the method is the similar (except defining a smaller window size than is normally required by the grid and tile size).

===How to increase number of tiles shown keeping the tile size the same===
See [[Custom grid]].

== Custom tileset design ==

The default (and minimum) gameplay viewport is 80 characters wide, and 25 characters tall. Therefore, a tileset's target resolution will be TILE_X_LENGTH * 80 by TILE_Y_LENGTH * 25. Since the tileset is arranged into a 16x16 grid of tiles (256 tiles total), the tileset image size will be TILE_X_LENGTH * 16 by TILE_Y_LENGTH * 16. Here are some common tile sizes:

* A tileset with 10x12 tiles will be 160x192 pixels large, and the target resolution will be 800x300.
* A tileset with 16x16 tiles will be 256x256 pixels large, and the target resolution will be 1280x400.

When creating a custom tileset, it's often easiest to start with an existing one, and edit it to your liking. Tilesets generally fall into three categories: rectangular tilesets, square tilesets, and 16x16 square tilesets. Rectangular tilesets have tiles that are taller than they are wide. The text in these tilesets is generally easier to read, but the map appears squished horizontally. Square tilesets usually provide more attractive graphics, but are slightly less readable. The 16x16 square tilesets are just a sub-set, which are grouped together because most [[Object Tilesets]] use 16x16 tiles. The graphics in Dwarf Fortress can be somewhat diversified and enhanced through the use of graphics sets.

Many tiles are used by the game in multiple ways, and this makes customizing the graphics difficult. The same icon is used for chairs and the north end of one-tile-wide vertical bridges. Ashes and broken arrows look the same, and many game entities (such as levers, floodgates, bags, and bins) share characters that are also used in Dwarven names or other bits of text in the interface.

=== How colors other than white and magenta work ===

When the game draws a tile, it will select a foreground color, a background color, and a tile based on the item being drawn. The background color will be used in place of magenta (Hex code #FF00FF or RGB 255 0 255). All other colors in the tile will be treated as a mask against the foreground color. Pure white (#FFFFFF) will always show the foreground color, while light grey (#CCCCCC) will be a slightly darker version of the foreground color, and dark grey (#888888) will be a dark version of the foreground color. Black (#000000) will always be black. It is impossible to use different shades of the background color.

In general, just remember these rules:

* Bright magenta (#FF00FF) is the background.
* Bright white (#FFFFFF) is the foreground.
* Darker shades of white and grey (#C0C0C0, #808080, etc) will display darker shades of the foreground color. It is possible to use any shade of grey, including ones like #333333 and #C2C2C2.
* Black (#000000) will always be black.
* It's probably best to avoid color in normal tilesets.

For an example, the game is drawing an exposed turquoise cluster with color bright blue (#0000FF). While loading the tile image, it encounters the color light grey (#CCCCCC). The color used in its place will be:

{| style="margin-bottom:20px; text-align:left; width:90%"
|-
! Color component || Foreground color || Color mask from tile || Calculation in hex || Calculation in decimal
|-
| Red || #0000FF || #CCCCCC || 0016 * CC16 / 10016 = 0016 || 0 * 204 / 256 = 0
|-
| Green || #0000FF || #CCCCCC ||0016 * CC16 / 10016 = 0016 || 0 * 204 / 256 = 0
|-
| Blue || #0000FF || #CCCCCC || FF16 * CC16 / 10016 = CB16 || 255 * 204 / 256 = 203
|-
| Final Color || || || #0000CB || 0 0 203
|}

Color masks with unequal amounts of R, G and B are calculated in the same fashion. The game is now drawing a speardwarf with color brown (#C0C000). It encounters the color cyan while loading the tile (#008080). The color used instead of cyan will be:

{| style="margin-bottom:20px; text-align:left; width:90%"
|-
! Color component || Foreground color || Color mask from tile || Calculation in hex || Calculation in decimal
|-
| Red || #C0C000 || #008080 || C016 * 0016 / 10016 = 0016 || 192 * 0 / 256 = 0
|-
| Green || #C0C000 || #008080 ||C016 * 8016 / 10016 = 6016 || 192 * 128 / 256 = 96
|-
| Blue || #C0C000 || #008080 || 0016 * 8016 / 10016 = 0016 || 0 * 128 / 256 = 0
|-
| Final Color || || || #006000 || 0 96 0
|}

As illustrated by this example, colors in the tileset can result in colors that aren't in the foreground color or the tile graphic. In this case, a brown foreground color with a cyan pixel color in the tileset results in a final color of green.

Theoretically, the way the game handles color masks could be used to display different graphics for items that use the same tile (but whose respective colors use different color component channels). For example, if a bright red object and a bright blue object use the same tile, the tile can use bright red for all pixels that only the red object uses, bright blue for all pixels only the blue object uses, and bright magenta (but NOT #FF00FF, it would have to be #FE00FE or something similar) for all pixels both objects use. In this fashion the two objects that share a tile would look completely different. In practice however, this is probably impossible because so many objects share the same tile, the chances of the potential foreground colors sharing a red, green, or blue color component are too great.

== What tiles are used for what ==

* Items marked with * can have their tile changed in the [[modding|raw data]] files.
* Items marked with # can have their tile replaced by a [[graphics set]] image, in addition to having their tile changed in the raw data.
* Items marked with $ can be changed in the [[init.txt]] file.

For a graphical table, go to the [[Character Table]].

====Row 01 (000-015)====
{|
|-
| 0 {{TST| }}
| Used for background tiles in the intro CMV, rarely used elsewhere
|-
| 1 {{TST|☺}}
| [[Civilian]] dwarves# used for dead dwarves
|-
|-
| 2 {{TST|☻}}
| [[Military]] dwarves# used for dead dwarves
|-
| 3 {{TST|♥}}
| [[Dimple cup]]s*
|-
| 4 {{TST|♦}}
| [[Cut gem]]s, large [[gem]]s
|-
| 5 {{TST|♣}}
| [[Tower-cap]]s*, [[Acacia]] trees*, [[Mangrove]] trees*, [[Maple]] trees*, [[quarry bush]]es*, [[Alder]] trees*, [[Birch]] trees*
|-
| 6 {{TST|♠}}
| [[Plump helmet]]s*, [[Oak]] trees*, [[quarry bush]] leaves*, [[Mahogany]] trees*, [[Chestnut]] trees*, [[Ash tree]]s*
|-
| 7 {{TST|•}}
| [[Stone]], solid [[workshop]] tile for several workshops like the [[magma smelter]], [[lake]]s in main map, [[cave]]s in the main map
|-
| 8 {{TST|◘}}
| Solid workshop tile for several other workshops like the [[magma forge]], [[tanner]] workshop, [[catapult]] cup
|-
| 9 {{TST|○}}
| [[Well]], [[bracelet]], [[Map tile|ant colony]], [[millstone]], [[quern]], [[bottomless pit]]s in the local embark map screen (if enabled)
|-
|-
|10 {{TST|◙}}
|
|-
|11 {{TST|♂}}
| Male sign, [[bag]]s
|-
|12 {{TST|♀}}
| Female sign, [[amulet]]
|-
|13 {{TST|♪}}
|
|-
|14 {{TST|♫}}
| [[Armor stand]]s
|-
|15 {{TST|☼}}
| [[Gem]]s*, bituminous [[coal]]*, [[currency]] symbol, [[masterpiece]] [[quality]] symbol, spider [[web]]s, [[turtle]]*, 'sun' symbol in engravings, [[gear]] assemblies
|-
|}

====Row 02 (016-031)====
{|
|-
|16 {{TST|►}}
| Head of [[Ballista arrow]] facing east, [[vermin|manta ray]]*
|-
|17 {{TST|◄}}
| Head of [[Ballista arrow]] facing west
|-
|18 {{TST|↕}}
|
|-
|19 {{TST|‼}}
| [[Cage]]s, on-[[fire]] symbol, vertical [[bars]]
|-
|20 {{TST|¶}}
| [[Mug]]s, largest elven cities, [[Highwood]] trees*
|-
|21 {{TST|§}}
| [[Restraint]]s, [[whip vine]]*
|-
|22 {{TST|▬}}
| [[Log]]s
|-
|23 {{TST|↨}}
| Some tree types
|-
|24 {{TST|↑}}
| Interface text (bridge direction), [[Pine]]* trees, [[Larch]]* trees
|-
|25 {{TST|↓}}
| Hungry/thirsty/drowsy/unhappy indicator, [[bridge]] placement raising direction indicator
|-
|26 {{TST|→}}
| Interface text (bridge direction)
|-
|27 {{TST|←}}
| Interface text (bridge direction)
|-
|28 {{TST|∟}}
|
|-
|29 {{TST|↔}}
|
|-
|30 {{TST|▲}}
| Head of [[Ballista arrow]] facing north, ramp up
|-
|31 {{TST|▼}}
| Head of [[Ballista arrow]] facing south, ramp down
|-
|}

====Row 03 (032-047)====
{|
|-
|32 {{TST| }}
| Spaces in text messages, used for background on the title screen/menu
|-
|33 {{TST|!}}
| Various [[status icons]], text
|-
|34 {{TST|"}}
| [[Shrub]], quotation marks, workshop tiles, kobold's glowing eyes*
|-
|35 {{TST|#}}
| Chasm (bottom in fortress mode), pits, [[floor grate]]s
*[[Sandstone]]*, [[Rock salt]]*, [[Basalt]]*, [[Gypsum]]*
|-
|36 {{TST|$}}
| [[Coin]]s
|-
|37 {{TST|%}}
| [[Prepared meal]], unexplored underground, [[screw pump]] in action
*[[Siltstone]]*, [[Slate]]*, [[Brimstone]]*, [[Kimberlite ]]*, [[Bismuthinite]]*, [[Realgar]]*, [[Stibnite]]*, [[Marcasite]]*, [[Olivine]]*, [[Orthoclase]]*, [[Microcline]]*, [[Petrified wood]]*, [[Brimstone]]*, [[Pyrolusite]]*
|-
|38 {{TST|&}}
| [[Demon]]s#
|-
|39 {{TST|'}}
| Rough [[floor]]s, unexplored underground, [[Claystone]]*, [[Rhyolite]]*, [[Periclase]]*
|-
|40 {{TST|(}}
| Foreign object opening tag, tile in [[bowyer's workshop]], text
|-
|41 {{TST|)}}
| Foreign object closing tag, text
|-
|42 {{TST|*}}
| [[Ore]]*, superior [[quality]] tags, key reference, working [[gear]] assembly
|-
|43 {{TST|+}}
| Smooth/constructed [[floor]]s, injured status, finely-crafted [[quality]] tags, text, [[block]]/[[metal|bar]] [[bridge]] or [[road]]
|-
|44 {{TST|,}}
| Rough [[floor]]s, [[Claystone]]*, unexplored underground, text
|-
|45 {{TST|-}}
| [[Scepter]]s, [[arrow]]s in flight, well-crafted [[quality]] tags, keyboard reference, Part of animation when two creatures or dwarves are on the same spot
|-
|46 {{TST|.}}
| Rough [[floor]]s, [[Felsite]]*, text, unexplored underground
|-
|47 {{TST|/}}
| [[Weapon]]s, [[bolt]]s, [[Ballista]] tile, text
|-
|}

====Row 04 (048-063)====
{|
|-
|48 {{TST|0}}
| [[Coffin]]s, text
|-
|49 {{TST|1}}
|Text, fluids if [[Technical_tricks#The_look_of_the_game|SHOW_FLOW_AMOUNTS]] is YES in init.txt
|-
|50 {{TST|2}}
|Text, fluids if SHOW_FLOW_AMOUNTS is YES in init.txt
|-
|51 {{TST|3}}
|Text, fluids if SHOW_FLOW_AMOUNTS is YES in init.txt
|-
|52 {{TST|4}}
|Text, fluids if SHOW_FLOW_AMOUNTS is YES in init.txt
|-
|53 {{TST|5}}
|Text, fluids if SHOW_FLOW_AMOUNTS is YES in init.txt
|-
|54 {{TST|6}}
|Text, fluids if SHOW_FLOW_AMOUNTS is YES in init.txt
|-
|55 {{TST|7}}
|Text, fluids if SHOW_FLOW_AMOUNTS is YES in init.txt
|-
|56 {{TST|8}}
|Text
|-
|57 {{TST|9}}
|Text
|-
|58 {{TST|:}}
| [[wild strawberry]]*, [[prickle berry]]*, [[fisher berry]]*, [[sun berry]]*, snowstorms
|-
|59 {{TST|;}}
| [[Workshop]]s (which ones?)
|-
|60 {{TST|<}}
| [[Stairs]] up
|-
|61 {{TST|=}}
| [[Stockpile]]s
*[[Chert]]*, [[Gneiss]]*, [[Sylvite]]*, [[Chromite]]*, [[Kaolinite]]*
|-
|62 {{TST|>}}
| [[Stairs]] down
|-
|63 {{TST|?}}
| "Task assigned" [[indicator]], looking for path
|-
|}

====Row 05 (064-079)====
{|
|-
|64 {{TST|@}}
| [[Sheriff]]#, berserk dwarf#, adventurer#, [[fortress guard]]#, [[royal guard]]#, dwarven [[merchant]]s#, [[caravan]] guards#
|-
|65 {{TST|A}}
| [[Alligator]]#, text
|-
|66 {{TST|B}}
| Bears#, text
|-
|67 {{TST|C}}
| [[Cow]]#, camels#, text
|-
|68 {{TST|D}}
| [[Dragon]]#, text
|-
|69 {{TST|E}}
| [[Elf]]#, [[elephant]]#, text
|-
|70 {{TST|F}}
| Text
|-
|71 {{TST|G}}
| Text
|-
|72 {{TST|H}}
| [[Horse]]#, text
|-
|73 {{TST|I}}
| [[Support]], text
|-
|74 {{TST|J}}
| Text
|-
|75 {{TST|K}}
| Text
|-
|76 {{TST|L}}
| [[Leopard]]#, text
|-
|77 {{TST|M}}
| [[Magma man]]#, [[mule]]#, [[muskox]]#, text
|-
|78 {{TST|N}}
| Text
|-
|79 {{TST|O}}
| [[Trade depot]] post, glass portal, detailed/constructed wall by itself, text, wall ends
|-
|}
====Row 06 (080-095)====
{|
|-
|80 {{TST|P}}
| Text
|-
|81 {{TST|Q}}
| Text
|-
|82 {{TST|R}}
| Text
|-
|83 {{TST|S}}
| [[Sasquatch]]#, [[giant desert scorpion]]#, [[Giant Cave Spider]]#, text
|-
|84 {{TST|T}}
| Text
|-
|85 {{TST|U}}
| [[Human]]#, [[Unicorn]]#, text
|-
|86 {{TST|V}}
| Text
|-
|87 {{TST|W}}
| Text
|-
|88 {{TST|X}}
| [[Bin]], stone [[floodgate]], shop post, building footprint, nausea/winded/stunned/unconscious/migrant [[indicator]], text, up/down stairs, keyboard cursor
|-
|89 {{TST|Y}}
| Text
|-
|90 {{TST|Z}}
| Sleep [[indicator]], text
|-
|91 {{TST|[}}
| [[Clothing]], [[armor]], item stack opening tag, text
|-
|92 {{TST|\}}
| Part of animation when two creatures or dwarves are on the same spot, [[Ballista]] tile
|-
|93 {{TST|]}}
| Floor tile in [[Workshop|workshops]] and [[furnace|furnaces]], item stack closing tag, text, clothing?, armor?
|-
|94 {{TST|^}}
| [[Trap]], [[Alabaster]]*
|-
|95 {{TST|_}}
| [[Channel]] [[designation]], text
|-
|}

====Row 07 (096-111)====
{|
|-
| 96 {{TST|`}}
| Rough floors, unexplored underground
*[[Dolomite]]*, [[Schist]]*, [[Alunite]]*, [[Rutile]]*
|-
| 97 {{TST|a}}
| [[Antman]]#, text
|-
| 98 {{TST|b}}
| [[Batman]]#, text
|-
| 99 {{TST|c}}
| [[Cat]]#, text
|-
|100 {{TST|d}}
| [[Dog]]#, text
|-
|101 {{TST|e}}
| Text
|-
|102 {{TST|f}}
| [[Frogman]]#, text
|-
|103 {{TST|g}}
| [[Goblin]]#, [[Mountain goat]]#, [[Gremlin]]#, [[Groundhog]]#, text
|-
|104 {{TST|h}}
| [[Harpy]]#, text
|-
|105 {{TST|i}}
| [[Fire imp]]#, text
|-
|106 {{TST|j}}
| Text
|-
|107 {{TST|k}}
| [[Kobold]]#, text
|-
|108 {{TST|l}}
| Text
|-
|109 {{TST|m}}
| [[Mandrill]]#, [[vermin|mussel]], text
|-
|110 {{TST|n}}
| Text
|-
|111 {{TST|o}}
| Well construction, bridge construction, text, [[millstone]] in action, floor tile in magma [[furnace|furnaces]]
|-
|}

====Row 08 (112-127)====
{|
|-
|112 {{TST|p}}
| Text
|-
|113 {{TST|q}}
| Text
|-
|114 {{TST|r}}
| [[Ratman]]#, text
|-
|115 {{TST|s}}
| [[Snakeman]]#, [[Slugman]]#, [[Snailman]]#, text
|-
|116 {{TST|t}}
| [[Troglodyte]]#, text
|-
|117 {{TST|u}}
| Text
|-
|118 {{TST|v}}
| Text
*[[Anhydrite]]*, [[Mica]]*
|-
|119 {{TST|w}}
| [[Wolf]]#, text
|-
|120 {{TST|x}}
| [[Saltpeter]]*, text
|-
|121 {{TST|y}}
| Text
|-
|122 {{TST|z}}
| Text
|-
|123 {{TST|{}}
| Forbidden opening tag
|-
|124 {{TST||}}
| [[Talc]]*, pipe sections, Part of animation when two creatures or dwarves are on the same spot
|-
|125 {{TST|}}}
| Forbidden closing tag
|-
|126 {{TST|~}}
| Unfinished rough stone [[road]], [[river]], [[magma]], [[flow]]s, dirt [[road]], [[farm plot]] under construction, [[sand]], furrowed soils
|-
|127 {{TST|⌂}}
| [[Animal trap]], low [[mountain]]s on world map, part of [[mechanic's workshop]]
|-
|}

====Row 09 (128-143)====
{|
|-
|128 {{TST|Ç}}
| [[Mechanism]]s
|-
|129 {{TST|ü}}
| Text
|-
|130 {{TST|é}}
| Text
|-
|131 {{TST|â}}
| Text
|-
|132 {{TST|ä}}
| Text
|-
|133 {{TST|à}}
| Text
|-
|134 {{TST|å}}
| Text
|-
|135 {{TST|ç}}
| [[Totem]]s
|-
|136 {{TST|ê}}
| Text
|-
|137 {{TST|ë}}
| Text
|-
|138 {{TST|è}}
| Text
|-
|139 {{TST|ï}}
| Text
|-
|140 {{TST|î}}
| Elven forest retreat
|-
|141 {{TST|ì}}
|
|-
|142 {{TST|Ä}}
|
|-
|143 {{TST|Å}}
| [[Idol]]s, text
|-
|}

====Row 10 (144-159)====
{|
|-
|144 {{TST|É}}
|
|-
|145 {{TST|æ}}
| [[Toy]]s
|-
|146 {{TST|Æ}}
| [[Coffer]]s, [[quiver]]s, [[backpack]]s
|-
|147 {{TST|ô}}
|
|-
|148 {{TST|ö}}
|
|-
|149 {{TST|ò}}
| Unactivated [[lever]]s, [[Stingray]]s#, text
|-
|150 {{TST|û}}
| [[Bucket]], text
|-
|151 {{TST|ù}}
|
|-
|152 {{TST|ÿ}}
| [[Valley herb]]*
|
|-
|153 {{TST|Ö}}
|
|-
|154 {{TST|Ü}}
|
|-
|155 {{TST|¢}}
| Closed [[hatch]]es
|-
|156 {{TST|£}}
| Many valuable metals* in veins, Other Features in Local embark map screen (when display is enabled)
|-
|157 {{TST|¥}}
| [[Cave lobster]]*
|-
|158 {{TST|₧}}
|
|-
|159 {{TST|ƒ}}
| [[Rope reed]]*
|
|-
|}

====Row 11 (160-175)====
{|
|-
|160 {{TST|á}}
|
|-
|161 {{TST|í}}
|
|-
|162 {{TST|ó}}
| Activated [[lever]]s, text
|-
|163 {{TST|ú}}
|
|-
|164 {{TST|ñ}}
|
|-
|165 {{TST|Ñ}}
|
|-
|166 {{TST|ª}}
|
|-
|167 {{TST|º}}
| [[Cloth]]
|-
|168 {{TST|¿}}
| [[Instrument]]
|-
|169 {{TST|⌐}}
| Withered [[plant]]s
|-
|170 {{TST|¬}}
|
|-
|171 {{TST|½}}
|
|-
|172 {{TST|¼}}
|
|-
|173 {{TST|¡}}
| [[Flask]], [[waterskin]]
|-
|174 {{TST|«}}
| Tail of [[Ballista arrow]] facing west, item with [[decoration]] tag
|-
|175 {{TST|»}}
| Tail of [[Ballista arrow]] facing east, item with [[decoration]] tag
|-
|}

====Row 12 (176-191)====
{|
|-
|176 {{TST|░}}
| Partially dug rock, [[miasma]], [[cave-in]] dust, [[steam]], smoke, [[Fishery]] & Butcher's workshops, [[Jet]]*, [[Chalk]]*, [[Diorite]]*, various soils*
|-
|177 {{TST|▒}}
| Partially dug rock, [[miasma]], [[cave-in]] dust, [[steam]], smoke, side tiles for catapult, [[window]]
*[[Gabbro]]*, [[Obsidian]]*, various soils*
*Workshops (craftdwarf's, bowyer's, mason's, mechanic's, jeweler's, clothier's, [[kitchen]], and leather works)
|-
|178 {{TST|▓}}
| Partially dug rock, [[miasma]], [[cave-in]] dust, [[steam]], smoke, tannery, [[Wagon]] body, [[Marble]]*, [[Limestone]]*, [[Flint]]*, [[Granite]]*, various soils*
|-
|179 {{TST|│}}
| Overworld [[river]]s, [[well]] [[Restraint|chain/rope]], rotating [[axle]]s
|-
|180 {{TST|┤}}
| Overworld [[river]]s, top-right tile for [[Loom]], glumprong [[tree]]*
|-
|181 {{TST|╡}}
| Tree in winter, [[bridge]]s, [[catapult]] tile
|-
|182 {{TST|╢}}
|
|-
|183 {{TST|╖}}
| Ends of smooth walls
|-
|184 {{TST|╕}}
| Ends of smooth walls
|-
|185 {{TST|╣}}
| Smooth/constructed walls
|-
|186 {{TST|║}}
| Smooth/constructed walls, [[bridge]]s, wooden [[door]]s, center [[catapult]] tile, center [[Ballista]] tile, [[axle]]s
|-
|187 {{TST|╗}}
| Smooth/constructed walls, bridges
|-
|188 {{TST|╝}}
| Smooth/constructed walls, bridges
|-
|189 {{TST|╜}}
| Ends of smooth walls
|-
|190 {{TST|╛}}
| Ends of smooth walls
|-
|191 {{TST|┐}}
| Overworld [[river]]s
|-
|}

====Row 13 (192-207)====
{|
|-
|192 {{TST|└}}
| Overworld rivers/Roads
|-
|193 {{TST|┴}}
| Overworld rivers/Roads
|-
|194 {{TST|┬}}
| Overworld rivers/Roads
|-
|195 {{TST|├}}
| Overworld rivers/Roads, top-left tile for [[Loom]]
|-
|196 {{TST|─}}
| Overworld rivers/Roads, rotating [[axle]]s
|-
|197 {{TST|┼}}
| [[Door]]s, overworld rivers/Roads, floor [[Stone_detailing|detailing]]/[[engraving]] in progress
|-
|198 {{TST|╞}}
| Bridges, trees in winter, [[catapult]] tile
|-
|199 {{TST|╟}}
|
|-
|200 {{TST|╚}}
| Smooth/constructed walls, bridges
|-
|201 {{TST|╔}}
| Smooth/constructed walls, bridges
|-
|202 {{TST|╩}}
| Smooth/constructed walls
|-
|203 {{TST|╦}}
| Smooth/constructed walls
|-
|204 {{TST|╠}}
| Smooth/constructed walls
|-
|205 {{TST|═}}
| Smooth/constructed walls, bridges, planted [[crop]]s, center [[catapult]] tile, center [[Ballista]] tile, [[axle]]s
|-
|206 {{TST|╬}}
| Smooth/constructed walls, bridges, [[fortification]]s, (flashing) wall [[Stone_detailing|detailing]]/[[engraving]]/fortifying in progress
|-
|207 {{TST|╧}}
| Tail of [[Ballista arrow]] facing north
|-
|}

====Row 14 (208-223)====
{|
|-
|208 {{TST|╨}}
| Bridges, [[catapult]] tile
|-
|209 {{TST|╤}}
| [[Table]], tail of [[Ballista arrow]] facing south
|-
|210 {{TST|╥}}
| [[Chair]]s, bridges, [[catapult]] tile, farmer's workshop bottom-middle tile
|-
|211 {{TST|╙}}
| Ends of smooth walls
|-
|212 {{TST|╘}}
| Ends of smooth walls
|-
|213 {{TST|╒}}
| Ends of smooth walls
|-
|214 {{TST|╓}}
| Ends of smooth walls
|-
|215 {{TST|╫}}
| Wooden floodgates, wall grates
|-
|216 {{TST|╪}}
| Metal doors
|-
|217 {{TST|┘}}
| Overworld [[river]]s
|-
|218 {{TST|┌}}
| Overworld rivers
|-
|219 {{TST|█}}
| Any solid color tile
|-
|220 {{TST|▄}}
| [[Siege engine]] parts, [[Ballista]] tile
|-
|221 {{TST|▌}}
| [[Ballista]] tile
|-
|222 {{TST|▐}}
| [[Ballista]] tile
|-
|223 {{TST|▀}}
| [[Ballista]] tile
|-
|}

====Row 15 (224-239)====
{|
|-
|224 {{TST|α}}
| [[Fish]]*, top-center [[fishery]] tile, [[meat]]
|-
|225 {{TST|ß}}
| [[Leather]]
|-
|226 {{TST|Γ}}
| [[Weight]] symbol, candlenut [[tree]]*, mango tree*, rubber tree*, cacao tree*, palm tree*, kapok tree*
|-
|227 {{TST|π}}
| [[Cabinet]], [[goblin|dark fortress]]es
|-
|228 {{TST|Σ}}
| [[Trap component]]
|-
|229 {{TST|σ}}
| [[Anvil]], metalsmith's and magma forge bottom-middle tile
|-
|230 {{TST|µ}}
| [[Plant]]s*(which?), [[crown]], [[ruins]] on world map
|-
|231 {{TST|τ}}
| [[Tree]] sapling, [[pig tail]]*, [[cave wheat]]*, [[longland grass]]*, [[rat weed]]*, [[hide root]]*, [[muck root]]*, [[blade weed]]*, [[sliver barb]]*
|-
|232 {{TST|Φ}}
| [[sweet pod]]*, [[bloated tuber]]*, [[kobold bulb]]*
|-
|233 {{TST|Θ}}
| [[Bed]]s, [[Puddingstone]]*
|-
|234 {{TST|Ω}}
| [[Statue]]s, dwarven cities on map, [[fish|sea nettle jellyfish]]*
|-
|235 {{TST|δ}}
| [[Earring]]s, [[kennel]] tile
|-
|236 {{TST|∞}}
| [[Boulder]], dry [[brook]], middle-right [[butcher's shop]] tile, [[Andesite]]*, [[Conglomerate]]*
|-
|237 {{TST|φ}}
| [[Thread]], [[loom]] bottom left tile, farmer's workshop bottom right tile
|-
|238 {{TST|ε}}
| [[Bowyer's workshop]] middle-right tile
|-
|239 {{TST|∩}}
| [[Hills]] on world map
|-
|}

====Row 16 (240-255)====
{|
|-
|240 {{TST|≡}}
| [[metal|Bar]]s, excellent [[quality]] symbol, [[zone]]s, metal/glass [[floodgate]]s, floor [[bars]]
|-
|241 {{TST|±}}
| Unfinished [[road]]
|-
|242 {{TST|≥}}
| Debris (spent ammo, ballista bolts, and catapult stones), [[ash|ashes]]
|-
|243 {{TST|≤}}
| Debris (spent ammo, ballista bolts, and catapult stones), [[ash|ashes]]
|-
|244 {{TST|⌠}}
| Willow [[tree]]*
|-
|245 {{TST|⌡}}
|
|-
|246 {{TST|÷}}
| [[Barrel]], [[screw pump]], upper left tile of [[still]] (works well as barrel), Mudstone*, Serpentine*
|-
|247 {{TST|≈}}
| Rough stone [[road]] or [[bridge]], [[water]], [[river]], [[lava]], glob, [[fat]], [[tallow]], [[farm plot]], furrowed soil, [[vomit]], [[blood]] pools, others?
|-
|248 {{TST|°}}
| [[Ring]], sea foam
|-
|249 {{TST|∙}}
| [[Vermin]]*, terrain at lower elevation
|-
|250 {{TST|·}}
| [[Seed]]s, micro-vermin, distant indoors terrain$ (changed by the 'chasm' option in init.txt)
|-
|251 {{TST|√}}
| [[Weapon rack]]s, [[badlands]] in main map, check mark (selecting production materials, confirmed items on manager window)
|-
|252 {{TST|ⁿ}}
| [[Savanna]] in main map
|-
|253 {{TST|²}}
| Body parts, [[chunk]]s, vermin corpses, [[bone]], [[shell]], [[skin]]s, [[skull]]s
|-
|254 {{TST|■}}
| [[Block]]s, trees at lower elevation
|-
|255 {{TST| }}
| No use?
|}

== List of text characters ==
Changes to these may make text look strange or be difficult to understand.

* " ! ( ) _ + , - . 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 / [ ]
* A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
* a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z
* 32 (Space); ↑ ↓ → ← [Bridge direction indicators]

=== Alphabets ===
Accented characters are used for names.

Dwarvish: íèîïéóúûôöùòêìëàáåäâabcdefghiklmnorstuvz

Elvish: íèéóúÿùòìçabcdefghiklmnopqrstuvwyz

Human: ñáabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxz

Goblin: ûôöêëäåâabdeghklmnoprstuxz

== No known use ==
These are ideal for using to change tiles in the raw data or init.txt.
* ◙ ♪ ↕ ↔ ₧ ª ¬ ½ ¼ ╢ ╟ ⌡ 255



{{Game Interface FAQ}}

[[Category:Modding]]
[[Category:Interface]]

40d:Stairs

2009-09-10T20:25:45Z

Savok: graphical fix

'''Stairs''' are a map feature that allows creatures to move vertically. Stairs provide access for [[dwarves]] and other single tile creatures, but are inaccessible to [[wagon]]s. Stairs come in three forms: an ''[[upward stairway]]'', a ''[[downward stairway]]'', and an ''[[up/down stairway]]''.

An up stair allows a creature to travel up to the next level if there is also a downward stair or an up/down stair on the level above. A downward stair can be stood upon and provides walking access to the adjacent tiles, like the other two stair types. An up/down stair counts as both.

A [[Hatch cover]] build over a stairway acts as a vertical door for the stairway.

They are distinct from [[ramp]]s, which allow movement from one square to a horizontally adjacent square that is one level above, if moving off of the ramp, or below, if moving onto the ramp.

== Creating stairs ==__NOTOC__

[[Image:DF_Terraform.PNG|thumb|664px]]

Stairs can be created in two different ways:
* You can use the [[designations]] menu ({{k|d}}) to carve them out of a wall of unmined material (see [[digging]]).
* You can use the build menu ({{k|b}}{{k|C}}) to construct them in an open tile using material you have already gathered.

In order for stairs to be usable, you must construct stairs on both of the levels that you wish to connect (an up stair connecting to a down stair). However, a down or up stair will give you sufficient access to the adjacent level to build connecting stairs. This means you can dig directly downwards or even directly upwards using stairs without needing any other forms of access to the area.

Using up/down stairs (which go both up and down on the same tile) you can dig a vertical staircase.

It is currently impossible to construct down stairs over open space. To build a down stair over open space, a construction, usually an up stair, must be built on the Z-level beneath it.

You can't designate an up stair on a square that has already been dug out; you have to carve one out of an existing wall or {{k|b}}uild instead. You can then build the matching down stair on the level above. Furthermore, you can't designate a down or an up/down stair on the lowest level of the map. It is assumed that building an up or an up/down stair on the top level is equally difficult.

== Destroying stairs ==

Depending on the method used to create the stairs, they can be removed using one of two different ways:

* If the stairs were created using the [[designations]] menu, the following information applies:

To destroy up stairs, use the "Remove Up Stairs/Ramps" command in the [[designations]] menu: {{k|d}}{{k|z}}. 
To remove down stairs, dig a channel on them. Note that the stupid dwarf will want to do this from a tile on the level of the stairs if one is available - magma and deep water will prevent this. 
To eliminate up/down stairs, remove the up stair first.

* If the stairs were constructed using the build menu, the following information applies:

Stairs, as well as any type of construction built using {{k|b}}{{k|C}} can be removed using the "remove construction" designation {{k|d}}{{k|n}}. If a downward stairway is getting in your way for some reason and you want to remove it, your dwarf will have to remove it from underneath. This is often pointless as your dwarf will need a downward stairway to get back up, and you may not want any downward stairways leading to the room at all. Since ramps don't have a floor component you can build a ramp for your dwarf to get back up, then seal it by constructing a floor over it. You can then happily build whatever you want on the tile, as governed [[Building#Building_Technicalities|here.]]

[[Category:Designations]]

40d:Leather

2009-09-10T05:17:24Z

Savok: please oh please let that be a mistake

'''Leather''' is the tanned hide of an [[creature|animal]]. It can be used to make [[bags]], [[quiver]]s, [[backpack]]s, [[clothing]], [[shields]], [[armor]] and [[water skin]]s at the [[leather works]]. It can also be used to [[decorate]] there. Leather crafts can only be made at a [[craftdwarf's workshop]].

Because it only overlaps in the use of end products, the ''leather industry'' is part of the [[meat industry]] guide, not the [[clothing industry]] guide.

Leather armor will be worn by civilians with the [[hunting]] labor enabled, or by [[military]] dwarves with at least leather armor enabled. Dwarves instructed to wear chain and plate armor will still wear leather if chain and plate armor are unavailable. Leather is significantly lighter than other forms of armor, and thus is less likely to cause [[encumbrance]] penalties.

Making leather requires a [[tannery]] workshop, a raw hide or [[skin]] from an animal, and a dwarf with the '[[tanner|tanning]]' skill turned on. Rotten hides or skin cannot be tanned. The [[human]] and dwarven [[caravan]]s usually sell various leather hides too, in case few animals inhabit the map. One unrotten hide yields one "unit" of leather - regardless of the animal being a [[catsplosion|kitten]] or an [[elephant]]. Dwarven tanners have a skill unknown to mere humans in that they can make the softest skin of the tiniest animal equally hardy as that of the most heavily protected live creature. Whether they make flimsy skin into a rock-like substance, or tough hide silky and subtle, remains a mystery.

Leather of rare or dangerous animals can be quite [[Value#Material_multipliers|valuable]].

==See also==
:* [[Meat industry]]
:* [[Armor]]
:* [[Item value#Material multipliers|Value]]

[[Category:Materials]]

User talk:Njero

2009-09-10T04:04:50Z

Savok: hi!

Welcome to this wiki! Dwarf Fortress rapidly becomes more complicated, and we're always glad to have new writers. 
Since you should try to follow wiki standards, and you probably don't know our ones yet, we've made a list of basic guidelines. Note that this is a template, not a customized message for you.
* To tell us who you are when you talk, please sign your posts on discussion pages by typing <code><nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki></code> after your posts. This can also be inserted with the [[Image:Button sig756222.png]] button if JavaScript is enabled.
* Don't put a question mark in the title of a page. Question marks mess things up, and your page will be moved to a different name.
* When making comments on a talk page, use one more colon before each line in your comment than was used in the comment you reply to. In general, put exactly one empty line between comments by different users but do not use blank lines inside of a comment.
* Avoid making many small edits to a page. Instead, try to make one large edit. This makes the history of the page a lot easier to read.
* Don't edit the user page of another user. If you want to tell them something, add the comment to their talk page.
* If you put a comment at the bottom of a talk page with section headers, you've probably put it in a section. Putting things in the wrong sections is confusing. You can create a section!
* Generally, [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Community_Portal#We_are_doing_this.21_Let_us_do_it_right.|read and follow the rules.]] They're like a little constitution, except not boring! Really, read them.
<div align=center><div style="width: 28em; padding: 0.5em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-top: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #ccc; background: #eee; text-align: center">''"You have been processed! Go forth, now, and edit!" --[[User:Savok|Savok]]''</div></div>

Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Community Portal

2009-09-10T03:59:18Z

Savok: /* Do we detail pointlessly? */ this is really what I was trying to say

Use this discussion page to talk about any issues or ideas you have about the direction of this wiki. The community portal is a hub for directing our conciousness. Read the rules carefully, take them to heart, post here if you have any questions or you think the rules can be improved.

==Account Problems==
I can't log in, but it says my username is already in use. --[[User:64.22.68.4|64.22.68.4]] 14:55, 29 October 2007 (EDT) (Peristarkawan)
:Are you sure? The new wiki cleaned out all the old accounts so you have to reregister. --[[User:Hamelin|Hamelin]] 15:02, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
::Unfortunately, I was unable to import all the user accounts, please recreate. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:22, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

==AdBlock==
Could you move all the files in the graphics directory with the word "ad" in it? For those using AdBlock or similar add-ons it will block the display of the graphics in those directories. Thanks!!! :) [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 10:26, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:It doesn't look possible - re-uploading the file keeps putting it in the 'ad' folder and I cannot edit the link in the DB as it is stored inside a BLOB. I suggest you whitelist this site anyways, it's not like you need to block anything here (and blocking /*ad*/ may cause problems elsewhere too). --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 10:49, 5 November 2007 (EST)

::Well after the fact, I know, but saw a related discussion elsewhere about disabling AdBlock to support fansites worth supporting, and I think it wouldn't be a bad idea if nearly everything got placed into an as-like folder to encourage whitelisting... but that's me. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 03:59, 7 November 2008 (EST)

== Rule discussion ==

Z is pretty horrible, but not much point taking it out unless its to replace it with something better. (This whole setup is horrible, but that's irrelevant?) --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 21:23, 16 February 2008 (EST)

=== A ===

How do we handle several rules that starts with the same character? I see that '''titles''' have been moved to '''page titles''' because of '''timelessness'''. But what about other scenarios that doesnt have an solution as easy? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 07:51, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:We can handle them as they come up. In general, I think it's better practice to avoid reusing letters than to have to rename an existing rule.

:If we want to just do away with rule '''A''' at this point, that would be fine. It was only meant to be a starting point for brainstorming, and the rules haven't changed much lately. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 11:21, 5 November 2007 (EST)

::I Call for Judgment on this statement, this would remove the backbone rule used to define this alphabetical set of rules. We could put it outside of the rules though, like a description. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 12:24, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:::Unless we have another rule that must start with A, why not keep it? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 12:28, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:::I like rule A, it introduces the page, please keep it --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 16:32, 13 November 2007 (EST)

=== B and E ===

How are B and E ''rules''? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:27, 7 November 2007 (EST)

:Rules? I thought the alphabet was the guide for the war against entropy [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:34, 7 November 2007 (EST)

::Well, the Alphabet rule does describe them as rules. But I don't really think that B and E seem out of place. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 11:37, 7 November 2007 (EST)

:They will simply be replaced by "real" rules once someone have made them. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 14:23, 7 November 2007 (EST)

:I think of them more as "guidelines" ;) [[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 20:22, 7 November 2007 (EST)

:I put strikes through B and E and wrote more helpful ones (along the same lines) --Me
:Gravitas was a silly word. What do you think of the new rules? --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]

:The be bold rule makes it's dramatic return! Victory! [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:39, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

=== I ===

Personally, I find that when the default tilesets are stretched (like [[:Image:Qs01.JPG]]), they become substantially uglier and less easy to follow than many of the user tilesets. Should they be disallowed under {{rule|I}}? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:59, 16 December 2008 (EST)

:If it displays that way on a computer with no alterations of settings, its by definition default. That's exactly the kind of display I see on my computer in fullscreen mode (although I do usually play with the 800x600 in windowed mode, but I wouldn't take a screenshot from that, i'd F11 over to fullscreen - and its aspect ratio is pretty close to my windowed mode ratio). It seems wrong to not allow what the game typically displays.
:I'm curious what you think the non-stretched aspect ratio is? I mean, I can't imagine settings which would actually make tiles look square.
:--[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 16:10, 16 December 2008 (EST)

::Non-stretched, the 800x600 tileset is half that size (10x12). Stretched to 800x600, it's 10x24. This is the ratio of the tiles if you actually view the bmp. To put an end to this bickering, how about an "officially approved screenshot tileset" that is *gasp* NOT one of the two default tilesets, but matches their visual style while being less cramped. How about something in a... 10x16? [80x25 = 800x400] [[User:Random832|Random832]] 23:47, 16 December 2008 (EST)

:::I'm against anything that creates unnecessary impediments to uploading useful images. If you use an extremely nonstandard tileset, that'll impair the usefulness of your images. However, as long as someone familiar with the standard tileset can look at an image and understand what is being illustrated, I would suggest the image is acceptable.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:30, 17 December 2008 (EST)

:::I'm against anything that makes you do extra work to take screenshots. The default appearance on a computer screen should be acceptable. We should not have to write a how-to on how to get DF to display in a way appropriate for screenshots for the wiki. It should be 'take screen shot', 'upload screen shot', 'add screenshot to page'. Done. Bizarre formatting requirements are both a significant barrier to adding content to the wiki and tremendously stupid since screenshots are *advertisements* of the game as well as instructional, and we want people to look at screenshots and be correct in the belief that that is what they'll actually see in game. I don't care what the bmp file says the aspect ratio should be, I care what the game displays that aspect ratio as. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 16:49, 17 December 2008 (EST)

:::Insofar as I can tell, that screenshot is at exactly the same aspect ratio and size as the game window I use. It's the 800x600 tileset, I believe. It's a bit on the tall side, but otherwise I don't see much problem with it, presumably because I see it every time I play the game. I vote letting people make screenshots in whatever shape or form they prefer. Within reason, of course.--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 18:15, 17 December 2008 (EST)

:How about a wikiproject to improve screenshots, so people who care about these things can clean up screenshots rather than just complaining about them? [[User:Random832|Random832]] 14:28, 21 December 2008 (EST)

From what I have seen, on a regular shaped CRT (4:3?) you can simply set the windowed and full screen, they look the same, just different sized, and are fairly clean. For instance, I play with 800x600 resolution, because when I play windowed it is a good window size, but it is also one of the resolutions that most monitors will switch to and from easily under most any OS. [[User:Burlingk|Burlingk]] 22:31, 10 February 2009 (EST)

=== Serious Rules ===

Would it be possible for us to come up with some *real* rules that are more ... serious? --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 08:59, 10 December 2007 (EST)

:The alphabet rules concept is senseless. Maybe remove the fluff? --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 11:09, 10 December 2007 (EST)

::Hey now, with a couple of exceptions, the rules are serious. The point of the alphabet framework wasn't random silliness; it was to inspire creativity and make rule-writing fun. It's hard to come up with good rules out of thin air. It's easier to think up a topic of concern that starts with a particular letter and then write a rule about it.

::Of course, the rules have been pretty stable for a while now, so rule A hasn't been too useful lately. There was a brief discussion a while back about dropping rule A under [[DwarfFortressWiki:Community Portal#Rule discussion]], and everybody seemed to want to keep it at the time. If you want to reopen that discussion, then I'm okay with either keeping it or dropping it (besides which, I haven't been too active around here lately anyway). --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 11:54, 10 December 2007 (EST)

:::I support the Alphabet ruleset, I don't see why it should change. It's clean and clear. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 16:56, 10 December 2007 (EST)

::::It's childish, incomplete, unprofessional and silly. The rules are not grouped logically and there is no table of contents. There's not room for clarification or expounding and little opportunity to expand. It should be scrapped for something that makes sense. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 03:25, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:::::It would be trivial to change it from an unordered list to use section headings, which would allow a table of contents and plenty of room for clarification. I don't think "little opportunity to expand" is valid; there's no reason we can't have multiple rules for the same letter, or rules that fall outside the alphabet rubric entirely.

:::::If you want to improve the organization, then just go for it. Let me suggest that you create the new version on a subpage at first, so that others can view two presentations side by side when discussing it. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 12:06, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:::::While I agree with some of your points, I'd like to say that this is not a "professional" wiki and silliness in general is a good thing. This is a wiki (Internet!) about a game (Haha!) that is pretty silly itself. If you want to create a Whole Complex and Indexed Body of Rules About Everything, go for it and as [[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] said, editors should be able to choose between the two. I just don't see the need. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 14:47, 12 December 2007 (EST)

=== Ack! The ToC! The ToC with a "1.26"! ===

...why do we need section headers for each of the rules? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:52, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

:I've fixed the TOC. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 17:17, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

::Out of curiousity - how? --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 08:40, 20 November 2008 (EST)

:::Smoke and mirrors: He removed the ToC and created a sim-ToC. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:59, 16 December 2008 (EST)

=== W ===

Word-of-mouth: If you hear someone saying something new about the game, don't post it without trying it out yourself. You might have misunderstood something or your friend might have expressed him/herself wrongly. 
Something like that.--[[User:Karpatius|Karppa]] 10:33, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:That goes in the "Rule discussion" section. *ka-move* Also, remember to not put blank lines in a comment by a single user.</offtopic>
:I don't like the rule. It discourages participation in the wiki. If they add something of questionable merit, they're supposed to use the verify template, as stated in rule V. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:39, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::Will remember that in the future.
::--[[User:Karpatius|Karppa]] 02:16, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

=== W 2 ===

There are no rules about humorous content yet. I notice that references to the '''Dwarf pensioners club''' instead of '''(fortress) Guard''' have been taken out of "fact-based" articles so maybe rule W could be:

:'''Wit''' can be hard to recognise once it has been written down. It is best if it is used on clearly humour or story related pages, talk or user pages, but kept to a minimum in fact-based articles like [[Dwarf]] or [[Summer]].

This puts it "on the table" that your humour is appreciated in certain places but not in every article you contribute to. I'm not happy with my own wording but I think the intent should be there somewhere.

It could go at '''Zany''' instead because Z will be harder letter to use up!
(having said all that I personally don't object to "well done" humour even in straight-cut articles like [[Screw pump]] - the issue is my humour is incomprehensible to a lot of people and can just sound rude!)
[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 02:51, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

:I like it as '''Wit'''. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:09, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

::With no against comments I put in in there with a reference to {{tl|D for Dwarf}}.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 01:01, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

=== Other letters ===

Historically English had a number of letters missing from this list, namely edh (Ð/ð), thorn (Þ/þ), and yogh (Ȝ/ȝ). Do we need rules for them?--[[User:Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)|Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)]] 20:49, 14 November 2008 (EST)

:No. They do NOT exist in today's English, thus they don't belong in the list. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 22:07, 14 November 2008 (EST)

::Of course not, that's just silly. We do need one rule for each positive integer in existence, however. --[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 23:16, 14 November 2008 (EST)

== Enforcing consistency in screenshots? ==

Can I strongly suggest that all screenshots be taken with the default interface and tileset, for consistency's sake? It seems to me like that would be a good way of keeping the wiki aesthetics constant. [[User:EighenIndemnis|EighenIndemnis]] 11:33, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:We can make it a rule, but we shouldn't remove any screenshots for non-conformance (except to replace them with conforming screenshots). --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 11:46, 5 November 2007 (EST)

::Yeah, for some tutorials that are written while the user is playing, it would be impossible to anyway. [[User:EighenIndemnis|EighenIndemnis]] 11:47, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:::I agree that images should use the default tileset for articles, but I disagree for personal pages or bloodline games. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]

::::The rule as written already exempts bloodline games. The only rule that should apply to personal pages is '''D'''. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:05, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Um, I added the rule before noticing the discussion here. Anyway, I added rule '''I''', inspired by the old [[Water wheel]] image ([[:Image:PerpetualMotion.JPG]]), which was incomprehesible to me and unnecessarily large. Like Peristarkawan said, the exemption of user pages is implied, but feel free to make it explicit if you want. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 16:13, 5 November 2007 (EST)

How about this?

[[Image:World_creation_screen2.png | none | frame | 400px | World creation screenshot.]]

It's clean, neat and doesn't warp the page. :) The obvious drawback is file size is not monitored. Can't we edit the file upload settings to measure pixels? Nothing over 800x600? [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 19:16, 7 November 2007 (EST)

== Redirects and article titles ==

How do you do that thing that makes a certain term redirect to a different page? Like [[Elephants]] redirecting to [[Elephant]], for example. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 15:20, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

:If [[Elephants]] already exists, you can move the page to [[Elephant]], and it will create the redirect for you. Otherwise, just edit [[Elephants]] to read: <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Elephant]]</nowiki> --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 15:26, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

::I see, thanks! --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 15:27, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

:::Just FYI, if at all possible, ''do not create pages as plurals''. Use the following syntax: <nowiki>[[Elephant]]s</nowiki>: example [[Elephant]]s. --[[User:JT|JT]] 20:20, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

What about titles that are verbs? Should they be in "base-form"? Or whatever its called (my english on this level isnt the best). Example: should the title be '''Mine''' or '''Mining'''? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 17:30, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:Based on the Wikipedia style, titles should be nouns. So in your example it should be the gerund '''Mining''', and '''Mine''' would be the title for an article about mines. I've updated the rule to reflect this. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 17:35, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::What about skills and professions? Should we have a '''Bone carving''' (labor preference) article and a '''Bone carver''' (skill) article, or would this be redundant? I've seen both styles linked to, but tend to think that the -ing form should redirect to the -er form. Opinions? --[[User:Mechturk|Mechturk]] 03:11, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:::Sounds good to me. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 11:21, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Btw, shouldnt all these comments be moved into [[DwarfFortressWiki talk:Community Portal|talk]]? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 17:30, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:Moved the account problem comments to the talk page. The rest are informative. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 13:26, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

== Tutorials ==

New players are getting bogged down by the complexity at the start of their fortresses, I think we should get some "getting started" or "surviving your first winter" type tutorials up as soon as possible. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 16:33, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:[[Your first fortress]] will do just that. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:31, 2 November 2007 (EDT) 

== Categories ==

I saw that the category [[:category:buildings]] had been added to category [[:category:world]]. I started to look for categories without parents and adding them to world to sortof have a list of every category. Is this good thinking? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 19:19, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:We already have a list of all categories at [[Special:Categories]], although it does include a few categories that aren't directly related to the game.
:Based upon the description of [[:Category:World]], it seems to me that most of the things that are currently in it don't really belong there. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 19:27, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::Ok, Ill remove them from [[:category:world]]. But how often is [[Special:Categories]] updated? I dont see [[:category:furnaces]] in there. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 20:24, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:::[[Special:Categories]] is automatically updated by the Wiki software as soon as it detects a change. However, MediaWikis aggressively cache pages. It's also possible you're looking a client-side cached page of it. Finally, I don't see any content in that category so it's possible it's being ignored. See [[Special:Unusedcategories]] instead. --[[User:JT|JT]] 20:28, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

== Deletion ==

We now have a [[:category:deletion]], who has the power to delete pages? When are they deleted? Who make the final call? The same person that deletes them? What rules should we make regarding this? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 11:57, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:Anyone can mark a page for deletion using the <nowiki>{{del}}</nowiki> tag, however it is usually recommended to get a consensus that it's not worth keeping. Exceptions are things like spam or empty pages. The <nowiki>{{del}}</nowiki> tag just lets the admin know to delete it, ultimately it's his call to do so or not. Just ask around on the talk page first, if no one disagrees, add the tag. (Disclaimer: that's how it worked on the old wiki, the policy may change as this new wiki grows.) --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 13:02, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

== Water level style ==

I think we should have a standard style for talking about water level. We could say it various ways, such as "6/7 water," "water with a depth of 6," "a depth of 6 pool," or "water with a depth of six." It seems using the numeral makes it clear that we mean water depth, without adding the /7. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 13:02, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:I'm not sure. The /7 is definately unnessessary and that we should use 6 instead of six, maybe create a template to make the numberal blue/red (water/magma)? If not "Water 6" and "Magma 5" seem short, simple, correct, and understandable.--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 03:27, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

::Like {{Raw Tile|6|#44F|#009}} / {{Raw Tile|6|#F44|#900}} or {{Raw Tile|6|#00F|#000}} / {{Raw Tile|6|#F00|#000}}? --[[User:Matryx|Matryx]] 05:38, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:::Too hard to read against the normal white background I think. But just the coloured number on its own would stand out weirdly. --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 06:10, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:::: {{Raw Tile|6|#00F|#FFF}} / {{Raw Tile|6|#F00|#FFF}} or not even going so far as to use the tile template? --[[User:Matryx|Matryx]] 06:16, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:I think "depth of 7" works wonders, bold, colored text had a bit high contrast according to my taste. In case there is either magma or water, just state it. And we should also link to a waterdepth article for those that are in need of furher explanation of the concept. Example; "a water wheel needs to be placed in flowing [[water]] with a [[water depth|depth]] of at least 3". --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 07:44, 5 November 2007 (EST)

== Templates? ==

Is there a page with a list of all the templates available to us? Are all of the templates migrated from the old wiki? --[[User:Felix the Cat|Felix the Cat]] 00:51, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

:You can find a list at [[Special:Allpages?namespace=10]]. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 01:44, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

== Forum references ==

Where there is a bit saying "Toady said this", what is the best way to link to the forum? Currently in magma, I've got a link to http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=001504 which shows up as [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=001504] (not ''too'' bad). Is there a better way of doing it akin to Wikipedia with <ref>something</ref>? Maybe something like [[Template:version]] for future (but that doesn't cover the "this is how it works now" type thing. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 02:17, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

: IIRC the <ref> system on Wikipedia requires an extension to be installed. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 17:48, 7 November 2007 (EST)
::I know this is late but try this:
::<nowiki>[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=001504 Caption]</nowiki>
::which shows as
::[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=001504 Caption]
::I would use it like this:
:::"According to a [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=001504 forum post]..."
::[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 02:41, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

Links of this form fail - is this forum totally gone/replaced, or can the links somehow be translated to the current forum? [[User:Random832|Random832]] 17:23, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

== Crops categories ==

My wiki-fu is weak, but surely there is a better way to present the myriad crops than having a different category for each season and biome? [[:Category:Crops]] could at least show the seasons grouped seperate from the biomes. Are we going to put each plant in its respective biome and seasons, ''and'' in [[:Category:Crops]], or is [[List of crops]] sufficient? Just seems like there's a lot of potential for a mess here, and we need to standardize the plant pages and various categories.

Personally I like the way the old wiki did it, with some nice templates. Granted there are a lot more plants in this version, but not so much that we need 20 subcategories cluttering up the crops category. See [http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Crops Crops] and [http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Plump_Helmets Plump Helmets]; easy to tell what crops belong in what season. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 02:52, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

== Wealth page... ==

I've been looking for tips on building fortress wealth, and haven't really been able to find anything. Can someone who knows something about it start a [[Wealth]] page? I know that mining out areas, making things, and artifacts contribute to wealth, but that's all I know. How much does mining a square contribute? Are there other ways to build wealth? Do mined out areas have to be populated, or can I go mine away a random hill and have it count? What are the best things to make to increase value? Do items have to be placed, or just made? and so on... --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 16:22, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

== Formatting standards ==

=== Category tags ===

On this wiki, the standard for capitalization in category tags is <tt><nowiki>[[Category:Stub]]</nowiki></tt>. I asked what it should be, and nobody answered for two and a half months, so I feel entitled to decide it. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 12:57, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

=== Headers ===

At the current time, the standard for a header is <code>=== Headers ===</code>. <code>===Headers===</code> is slightly easier to type, is typed more often by newbies, and works just as well, but has less white space. Input? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 12:57, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

:I like <code>=== Header ===</code> better, because it's easier to read, and the extra whitespace helps call your attention to the name of the section, whereas you might glance over it as an "unrecognized token" if you didn't manage to filter out the immediately surrounding markup. I think the 2 bytes saved on whitespace is negligible and I certainly don't mind correcting them when I find 'em, if necessary. A similar question (if it's not been asked) would be whether or not to include a newline in between a heading and its text. I think for big sections of text, an extra line looks nice, but for multiple, smaller, less important sections, it's easier to manage the headings if there's no blank line separating them from the section they head. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 14:18, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

::I always put a blank line above and below a header (unless it's the first line in the page), except in rare situations, like the current List of Twenty-Six Rules. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 16:40, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

=== Talk pages ===

The current standard seems to be to never put a blank line in a comment by a single users, except in highly lengthy comments, and to always put exactly one blank line between comments by different users, because that's what I say in [[Template:Newbie]], but is that correct? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 16:40, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== Italian Wiki ==

Hi! 
I've just ask to Tarn to open an italian guide on this wiki.. so can i do it? --[[User:Marte]]

:No, this wiki is english only. You're free, however, to make an Italian DF wiki... I'm not sure how that works, though, so don't ask me. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:29, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

i need an answer about this.. who can help me?

== Wikprojects ==

Do we have wikiprojects like Wikipedia? I want to start one on making sure answers to the [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=ff2b3eb60775033d8509fa42a227db08&board=7.0 DF gameplay questions] in the forum are in the wiki. [[User:DanielLC|DanielLC]] 15:18, 4 October 2008 (EDT)

== footnotes ==

Before Wikipedia had <ref>, there were some templates they used to get about the same effect with a little more awkwardness - I can find them and get it working here if anyone wants. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 13:11, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

== Pictures ==

How about RL pictures of things like minerals, etc, that people may not be able to easily visualize? [[User:Random832|Random832]] 00:09, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

:I agree. Can someone edit [[Template:Stone layer]] to allow pictures of the actual stone? I'd be happy to contribute pictures after that. I suggest using the pictures on [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia Commons]. [[User:DanielLC|DanielLC]] 23:39, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

::We already link to the relevant Wikipedia article on all the stone and ore pages (at the bottom of that template). No need to bring all the pictures over here when they're just a click away. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 14:43, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

== {{[[Template:a|a]]|anchor|name}} ==

<s>Can someone make that using my [[Template:Sandbox|quick mockup of the concept]] of anchor tags without the anchor tags? I'm busy trying to not get caught using the computer. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:14, 6 November 2008 (EST)</s>

:Nevermind, I just did it. :V --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 17:01, 19 November 2008 (EST)

== Worldgen artificial features ==

I.e. sites, roads, etc.

Right now, we have [[site]] which covers pretty much everything about buildings, [[road]] which has a section covering roads and bridges, and dwarf/goblin tunnels are briefly mentioned in both.

So, gathering opinions time - do you think we should have one article encompassing everything, one about sites and one about road/bridge/tunnel, or a different article about each map feature. And how do adventure-mode caravans fit in?

[[User:Random832|Random832]] 13:09, 19 November 2008 (EST)

== Redirects with potential ==

I recently saw a link changed on the grounds of "when you can, don't link to a redirect" - I disagree with this - I think that when there is potential for a topic to eventually get an article of its own, links relating to that topic should go to that title so that they don't have to be altered when that article is created. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 08:34, 20 November 2008 (EST)

:In general I agree with you. I also advocate the use of sensible synonym and alternate word form redirects, such as [[architect]] for [[building designer]], or [[reveal]] for [[revealed tile]] -- this makes it much easier to link things that need linking without having to pipe all the time. (For the uninitiated, a piped link is like so: <nowiki>[[what it points to|what is displayed]]</nowiki>.) The cost to the server for handling a redirect is negligible, according to the devs of the MediaWiki software, so we should take advantage of them, where it makes sense to do so.

:In the particular case, I didn't contradict the poster because a) the redirect linked to didn't have much potential ("shore", was it?) and b) it was a piped link anyway. By the time you're going to pipe a link, at least use one that makes sense. A subsequent editor addressed that issue.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 12:36, 20 November 2008 (EST)

Right, I just meant as a general principle. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 16:25, 24 November 2008 (EST)

== Creature articles of little significance ==

I just stumbled on [[Whale shark]] - there are numerous articles like this - and while there are plenty of creatures that are "notable" (either due to historical notoriety like the [[carp]] or [[elephant]], or due to some unique aspect of their behavior like the [[rhesus macaque]]), there's lots that are pretty much just name/tile/stats. Anyone have any thoughts on merging them into sensible categories? [[User:Random832|Random832]] 16:25, 24 November 2008 (EST)

:An article with just stats is unimpressive, but I'd rather have the stats than not. Merging them would be ugly unless the stats were removed, so I don't think there's any benefit to merging them.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 20:00, 24 November 2008 (EST)

== New version approaching ==

Yes, I know it's likely not coming until april, but the new version will have some significant differences to the current one, particularly where combat is concerned. Shall we make a category and notice template in order to tag places that will likely need revision come april (or whenever it's done) in order to get a head start on organization? [[User:Fieari|Fieari]] 15:36, 25 December 2008 (EST)

:It's hard to correctly anticipate what will need changing. Better to wait until we have it in front of us, I think.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:09, 25 December 2008 (EST)

== Thoughts on {{rule|i}} - Diagrams ==

Isn't [[Template:RT]] really more complexity than we need? How about this?

<pre style="font:bold 20px/1 'Courier New';color:#ccc;background:black;width:auto;padding:0;float:left">
╔═══╗
║+++║
║+++┼
║+++║
╚═══╝
</pre>{{-}}

Save the complex templates for when you actually need color

You can even drop the complexity further for a nice typewriter character set
<pre style="font:bold 20px/1 'Courier New';color:#ccc;background:black;width:auto;padding:0;float:left">
#####
#...#
#...+
#...#
#####
</pre>{{-}}

(I picked this particular size because it makes ░░░▒▒▒▓▓▓ look right in them, which makes it seem that it's the size the font is designed for. I picked this _font_ because it provides all of the CP437 characters. The actual style tag you see above could be moved to a template so it would look like <code><pre <nowiki>{{TD}}</nowiki>></code>)

[[User:Random832|Random832]] 20:28, 30 December 2008 (EST)

== Mod content in regular articles ==

"All mod content, it has been stated, should not appear in the regular articles." --[[User:Zchris13]], at [[Talk:Sand]] 
If I recall correctly, one guy stated that yesterday. Personally, I find it rather counter-DF: 
"In Dwarf Fortress, modding almost ''is'' vanilla." --[[User:Savok]], at the [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php forums] 
Opinions? Beliefs? Comments? Thoughts? Please, answer this, The Community! --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:24, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

:I'm probably the one who you're thinking of who stated it ;)
:#I don't think that modding is ''ever'' vanilla, no matter what the game, how mod-friendly the game is, or how many mods exist. Saying that it's incredibly common does not change the definition of the term "unmodded".
:#I think that modding information would be better served by putting it in one place. It's easier to figure out modding and/or find the information you need if it's all on one page (or a small number of pages). And if the information is there, why would you ''also'' put it on ''every single other article in the wiki''?
:#Whenever the ways something can be modded changes, every single article about that something would have to be changed. If a new way to mod metals, for example, was added, then every single metal article would have to be changed to reflect this.
:#tl;dr version: I think it would be horrifically redundant even by typical wiki standards and would never be maintained anyways (seriously, there are still pages that haven't been updated since the 2D version). And that's even before you think about whether it ''should'' be done at all.
:--[[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 13:10, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

::Sorry, couldn't find it in all of yesterday's edits.
::#Yeah, I shouldn't go changing my definitions of words. What I mean is "modding is normal."
::#I agree partially, but, since light modding is normal and mainstream, it should go in normal and mainstream articles.
::#No, every article that mentioned metal-modding. And I don't think that there are too many non-modding articles that do.
::#TL/DR: I think that a little mentioning of modding (for example, stating in [[Sand]] that you can mod any soil into sand (although that's a bit obvious)) is fine, although I fully agree that all possible topic-related modding should not be mentioned.
::--[[User:Savok|Savok]] 18:45, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

:::I think I can live with that ;). Also, I appreciate the reformatting: I couldn't find the instructions on how to make such a list, though odds are it's right in front of me =( --[[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 19:41, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

== Heading gripe ==

I'd like to add to H that one shouldn't use heading sections of one = because it results in bad html coding and a title the size of the page name. It's also general practice on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Section#Creation_and_numbering_of_sections wikipedia]. Anyways, I thought I'd post something here before I go ahead and change it so I can at least pretend to have discussed it before hand. --[[User:Mikaka|Mikaka]] 05:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Modding content ==
Is this, [[New_Plants]], really how we do it? Frankly, i found it a bit confusing at first. At least it should get a better header. --[[User:Confused|Confused]] 00:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

== JavaScript seems disabled ==

The collapsible box doesn't seems collapsible anymore. I don't see the [show]/[hide] anymore either, since the wiki broke. Am I the only one with this trouble ? --[[User:Karl|Karl]] 01:02, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
:Apparently it's fixed now, at least for me. I have found that my browser cache can screw with these things on other wikis so no reason why it wouldn't happen here. Javascript becomes disabled on client web browsers far more often than it does on web hosts/sites which previously allowed it. (Possibly belatedly I know.)[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]][[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 03:43, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

== Do we detail pointlessly? ==

As everyone knows, the wiki spoils everything about Dwarf Fortress. We have a spoiler-warning system, but it's quite disused. I think one guy said that it's pointless, because we need to put it on every page, because every page is a spoiler. We have a tendency to detail everything, much of which isn't helpful to newbies but ruins a little the delight a newbie can take in DF that no longer exists for us veterans.

For example, to quote the page [[woodcutter]], "Woodcutters are working outdoors where they are in constant danger of being [[ambush]]ed by invaders or attacked by wild animals (unless, of course, you are the proud owner of an [[Tower-cap#Underground_tree_farm|underground tree farm]]), but they are also one of the few civilian professions which carry [[weapons]] with them. Thus, it can be helpful to teach them how to use their axes to defend themselves (and others) properly by making them spend a few months as [[axedwarf]]s in your [[military]]."

Here, all that really should be noted is that woodcutting skill does not help in combat. Yes, another problem with the wiki as it is is that we often assume that newbies know a lot of stuff they don't, making even DFwiki have a steep learning curve - a bit ironic. Regardless, pointless detail such as in the above article not only does not help but hurts, making the wiki dry and boring.

I propose that we write into our little [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Community Portal|constitution]] a guideline to avoid such detail in addition to removing large amounts from the wiki, fixing the pages. Of course, this is a major undertaking, not to just be done. What do y'all think? Agree? Argue? Please do comment. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 02:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

:Wikis attract wikignomes who like to tinker and add information to articles until they are "complete". Attempting to define how much information can be added before an article is "over-complete" is pretty difficult.
:Is there a policy that this wiki must not spoil the game for new players?
:There are a lot of different reasons people read this wiki - it isn't just a hosted version of the wonderful instruction manual that is included with the game. Would [[computing]] be possible without collaboration (between players), which is nothing but spoiling?
:The answers would lie in either seperate articles, or some kind of template which hides information regarded as a spoiler.
:There is this option:
{| class="collapsible collapsed" style="width: 100%; background-color: lightblue;"
!colspan="1"| Basic intrduction
|-
|Woodcutters cut down trees.
|-
|}
{| class="collapsible collapsed" style="width: 100%; background-color: lightblue;"
!colspan="1"| Minor spoiler
|-
| They are one of a few civilian trades which involves carrying a weapon. In hostile areas you might want to consider training woodcutters as Axedwarves.
|-
{| class="collapsible" style="width: 100%; background-color: lightblue;"
!colspan="1"| Major spoiler
|-
|Another option on some maps is establishing an underground tree farm.
|-
|}

:However that requires some knowledge of either wikimarkup or html - tbh I just cookbooked it and it took me a fair bit of messing around before I got it right the first time.
:Another option is, linked articles, where you go from [[Woodcutter (base)]] to [[Woodcutter (minor spoiler)]] to [[Woodcutter (major spoiler)]] - it would be easy enough to include (base) in (minor spoiler) and (minor spoiler) in (major spoiler).

:I think "enough" readers ''want'' the major spoilers that taking them out would "degrade" this wiki.
:[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]][[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 03:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

::I just re-read [[woodcutter]] in full. IMO the article builds nicely from the basic "how to cut trees" to more advanced gameplay strategy, such as "enable woodcutting on every outdoor worker so they all carry weapons". Personally I don't see that as being a good value strategy, for the work involved in equipping that many dwarves with axes you could have a fairly useful (specialised) millitary - but it isn't the first thing a spoiler-adverse reader stumbles over. If it was the first thing in the article it would be a far greater problem.[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]][[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 03:41, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

:I'm going to agree with Garrie on this. Counting me, there's at least one person who would not have stuck with DF if he hadn't had access to a thorough DF reference library such as this. When a new player comes to this wiki, odds are they're looking to have ''something'' spoiled.
:One vote for 'Not Too Spoiled' --[[User:Njero|Njero]] 03:45, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

:Sorry to have apparently been totally unclear... I don't want to take spoilers out! I think that there are a lot of things, like the example from woodcutter, that a player can figure out on his on, which can be a lot more fun than being told all the fine details of fortress 1337. I do think it would be good to separate the spoilers more in some cases, but that's a totally different topic.
:For another example, I think we can agree that it is pointless to have a page telling how to dig a 1-tile channel pit and designate it as a Quantum Dump, given that you know how a Quantum Dump works. We used to have (still have? not sure) one of those. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 03:59, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Current events

2009-09-10T03:55:40Z

Savok: this is really what I was trying to say

*Another discussion regarding general style and philosophy of the wiki, at [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Community Portal#We_spoil._Do_we_spoil_too_much.3F_Do_we_detail_pointlessly.3F|Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Community Portal]], asking whether or not much of our detail is pointless. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 02:21, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

*Screenshots! Take interesting screenshots of parts of your fortress. Upload them to the wiki. Put them [[template talk:sg|here]] and see them on the main page. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 12:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

*A call for opinion on 6 recently deleted quotes has been posted on the [[Talk:Main Page/Quote|Quote discussion page]]--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 06:53, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

*A new standard for avoiding overly-long quotes on the main page has been suggested and posted - [[Talk:Main Page/Quote|Quote discussion page]].--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 04:14, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

*[[Armor]] should be getting a rewrite soon, see [[Armor set]].--[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 04:44, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:There had been about 5-6 pages on "defense", and suggestions and advice on various topics were scattered and repeated across all of them. The first stage of the effort to re-organize them into 4 tightly defined and user-friendly topics using current DF wiki naming conventions has resulted in 4 pages: a General guide and overview (rewrite of [[Defense guide]] article), and 3 new articles on specific design - layout and architecture ([[Defense design]]), traps ([[Trap design]]), and specific advice on organizing your military ([[Military design]]).
:Discussion from any pages removed or renamed will be placed (or linked) under one of those four. Discussion re this re-organization is on the [[Talk:Fortress defense]] page.
::--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 08:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

*There is a more specific discussion of the several various (and often redundant) "defense" pages, and possibly combining, rewriting and/or reformatting them, on the [[Talk:Fortress defense]] page. --[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 05:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
:*"Defense" rewrite" rough re-organization completed

*There is currently a discussion regarding the general style and philosophy of this wiki, of "what deserves its own page" on the [[Talk:Main Page]]. Any and all are welcome to chime in.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 05:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Brendanward61

2009-09-10T03:12:07Z

Savok: Created page with '{{subst:hi}}'

Template:Newbie

2009-09-10T03:11:53Z

Savok: I wrote this a while ago... I think that I'm nicer now. And better at writing.

Attack token

2009-09-10T03:02:32Z

Savok: Redirected page to Creature tokens

#REDIRECT [[Creature_tokens]]

Creature Tokens

2009-09-10T03:02:26Z

Savok: Redirected page to Creature tokens

#REDIRECT [[Creature tokens]]

Creature Token

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Savok: Redirected page to Creature tokens

#REDIRECT [[Creature tokens]]

User:Doomshifter

2009-09-10T02:55:14Z

Savok: template newbie should be subst'd

Hey there, noticed you're a new face in town. 
Enjoy this generic welcoming brochure. 
 
Welcome to this wiki! Dwarf Fortress rapidly becomes more complicated, and we're always glad to have new writers. 
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<div align=center><div style="width: 28em; padding: 0.5em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-top: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #ccc; background: #eee; text-align: center">''"You have been processed! Go forth, now, and edit!" --[[User:Savok|Savok]]''</div></div>
 
--[[User:N9103|Edward]] 17:19, 22 November 2008 (EST)

User talk:Mattmoss

2009-09-10T02:54:34Z

Savok: template newbie should be subst'd

Welcome to this wiki! Dwarf Fortress rapidly becomes more complicated, and we're always glad to have new writers. 
Since we prefer that you try to follow our wiki's standards, we've made a list of basic guidelines. This is a template.
* To let us know who you are, please sign your posts on discussion pages by typing <code><nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki></code> after your posts. This can also be inserted with the [[Image:Button sig756222.png]] button if JavaScript is enabled.
* Never put a question mark in the title of a page. Question marks mess things up, and your page will be moved to a different name.
* When making comments on a talk page, use one more colon before each line in your comment than was used in the comment you reply to. Put exactly one empty line between comments by different users but do not use blank lines inside of a comment. If your comment has no indents, use <code><nowiki> </nowiki></code> after each line.
* Avoid making many small edits to a page. Instead, try to make one large edit. This makes the history of the page a lot easier to read.
* Don't edit the user page of another user. If you want to tell them something, add the comment to their talk page.
* If you put a comment at the bottom of a talk page with section headers, you've probably put it in a section. Don't put things in the wrong sections. If necessary, create a section.
* Most importantly, [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Community_Portal#We_are_doing_this.21_Let_us_do_it_right.|read and follow the rules.]] Really. Read them.
<div align=center><div style="width: 28em; padding: 0.5em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-top: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #ccc; background: #eee; text-align: center">''"You have been processed! Go forth, now, and edit!" --[[User:Savok|Savok]]''</div></div>

Added after [[Bloodline:Tinbolt_Chapter_2]]. Please try to use the priview button and make as little amount of edits as possible for such short changes. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 22:15, 13 December 2007 (EST)

:Apologies for the multiple edits... I was proofreading and fixing minor things, and I should have done that in an external editor or using preview. I will keep in mind for future editing. --[[User:Mattmoss|Mattmoss]] 22:27, 13 December 2007 (EST)

::Take it easy and don't worry, I'm sure it won't be a problem in the future. Welcome to the wiki. :) --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 22:48, 13 December 2007 (EST)

== Industry Relationship Graph ==

Hi. In your graph, you are missing the arrow from the weaver to the dyer, and you have left out the arrows for all the decoration jobs. And where is the arrows from the fishery to the bowyer and to the craftsdwarf coming from? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:33, 4 March 2009 (EST)

:There is a link between dyer and loom (i.e. weaver). I should change the names to reflect either the job or the workshop, and not a mix like I have. (Weaver/loom are essentially the same.)

:As for decoration, I am showing in this graph links between industries, not the goods created/modified by industries, nor the specific tasks. So that is why I don't show decoration (and the same reason I don't show armor, weapons, ammo, furniture, etc... because I'm focusing on industry, not tasks nor goods). Decoration is an end task... it doesn't lead from one industry to another, as far as I know.

:When you process raw fish at a fishery, you get fish meat and bones, correct? Those bones can be used to make crossbows and crafts. Or am I wrong in that? --[[User:Mattmoss|Mattmoss]] 10:00, 4 March 2009 (EST)

:::The types of fish that you can fish for are all vermin and have no bones. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 05:03, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

::::So should the [[Fishery]] page be edited to remove bones from the list of goods created? --[[User:Mattmoss|Mattmoss]] 05:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, I guess in a sense, I understand your point about decoration. But seeing as how almost any good can be decorated in several ways (bone, shell, cloth, leather, metal, etc.), that might add too many links and clutter the diagram more than I'd like. I'll try it out and see how it looks, though. --[[User:Mattmoss|Mattmoss]] 10:07, 4 March 2009 (EST)

::Tried it... For my intended purposes of this graph, adding all the decoration relations turns it into one single circle of relations, which hides the relationships that the graph as shown here reveals. So I'm leaving decoration out of this, but I may create another graph that is much more complete (i.e. will also shown products/materials like stone, wood, etc) and I'll incorporate decoration into that, I think. --[[User:Mattmoss|Mattmoss]] 11:34, 4 March 2009 (EST)

:::If you decorate things in your fort, some of those arrows become relevant to workshop placement. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 05:03, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

::::Perhaps... but as I indicated, when I put in all the relations related to decoration, ''this particular graph and its layout'' became a single circle... that is to say, there was no longer a useful pattern, which means that if decoration is such a major part of your processing, then your workshop arrangement doesn't really matter. If, on the other hand, decoration has a minor impact, then this graph is useful as is. (That's not to say that other graphs may usefully display decoration, but it doesn't seem appropriate for this one.) --[[User:Mattmoss|Mattmoss]] 05:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

:::::Actually, that's not quite right on decoration-heavy "production workshop arrangement doesn't really matter"... but I may have to find a different technique to visualize it. --[[User:Mattmoss|Mattmoss]] 05:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey. You need to make it smaller. Smoosh those big empty spaces a little bit. --[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 20:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's an automatic layout produced by GraphViz, so I don't have complete control over the layout... but I'll see if I can figure out something to make it more compact --[[User:Mattmoss|Mattmoss]] 20:46, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, revised graph with these changes: First, removed fishery links related to bones; Second, changed style to more controllable left-to-right progression; Third, removed links to the Alchemist (since its only output is soap, few people make one, and it's links were getting in the way... I need to play around with the source file more to make it look better with those links in place). --[[User:Mattmoss|Mattmoss]] 17:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

== Bloodline:Oceanside ==

Hi. Please try to keep bloodline pages in the bloodline namespace. You can do this by prefixing the name with Bloodline: [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 21:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:Apologies... I was following existing example. Now I know for the future. --[[User:Mattmoss|Mattmoss]] 21:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Bouchart

2009-09-10T02:54:18Z

Savok: template newbie should be subst'd

Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Community Portal

2009-09-10T02:51:17Z

Savok: the rules now sound better, I think. A little.

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This section is far from complete.

=== Template for Notice Templates ===

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=== Image Rules Notice ===

{{Image Rules Notice}}
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=== New Notices ===

If several pages arise that break the same rule, create a new template based off one of the above templates. Remember to include the [[:Category:Pages that break Community Portal rules]] tag at the bottom, or some other appropriate category so that other users can track pages that need reworking. To create a new template, type <nowiki>[[Template:Rule name notice]]</nowiki> into an article, or directly into the address bar of your browser.

[[category:wikiprojects]]

User:Savok

2009-09-10T02:38:51Z

Savok:

"So sayeth the Wiki Loremaster!" ...who knows a lot less than he used to. Let's say the former Wiki Loremaster.

My life is busy. Usually, I have time for exactly one fun project. Sometimes less. If I want to spend all my fun time working on this wiki, then I can effectively edit it... otherwise not. :(

== Linkies/things I have notes to do ==__NOTOC__

* Create:
** We probably should say somewhere that everything here not belonging to Toady is copyleft, or GNU General Public, or whatever it is. I don't know!
*** Those three links at the bottom of every page - " Privacy policy About Dwarf Fortress Wiki Disclaimers " - lead to blank pages. This is wrong.
* Move/merge/delete:
** [[Cistern]]
** [[Reservoir]]
** [[Well_guide]]
** the generation seeds pages
* Check:
** [[Special:BrokenRedirects]]
** [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]
** [[:Category:Verify]]
** [[:Category:Deletion]]
* Also, neat:
** [[Special:MyPage]]

== Templatery ==

=== UMkey code ===

<pre><nowiki>
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</nowiki></nowiki><nowiki></div>
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[[CP437]]

Someone should make an article on UMkey sometime... until then, use [http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Community_Portal#Unified_map_key this section from the old wiki's community portal].

=== [[Template:Frac]] ===

Quite simply, type <code><nowiki>{{frac|a|b}}</nowiki></code> to get {{frac|a|b}}.

=== [[Template:Rule]] ===

Also easily, type <code><nowiki>{{rule|A}}</nowiki></code> to get {{rule|A}}.

Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Community Portal

2009-09-10T02:36:20Z

Savok: We spoil. Do we spoil too much? Do we detail pointlessly?

Use this discussion page to talk about any issues or ideas you have about the direction of this wiki. The community portal is a hub for directing our conciousness. Read the rules carefully, take them to heart, post here if you have any questions or you think the rules can be improved.

==Account Problems==
I can't log in, but it says my username is already in use. --[[User:64.22.68.4|64.22.68.4]] 14:55, 29 October 2007 (EDT) (Peristarkawan)
:Are you sure? The new wiki cleaned out all the old accounts so you have to reregister. --[[User:Hamelin|Hamelin]] 15:02, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
::Unfortunately, I was unable to import all the user accounts, please recreate. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:22, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

==AdBlock==
Could you move all the files in the graphics directory with the word "ad" in it? For those using AdBlock or similar add-ons it will block the display of the graphics in those directories. Thanks!!! :) [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 10:26, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:It doesn't look possible - re-uploading the file keeps putting it in the 'ad' folder and I cannot edit the link in the DB as it is stored inside a BLOB. I suggest you whitelist this site anyways, it's not like you need to block anything here (and blocking /*ad*/ may cause problems elsewhere too). --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 10:49, 5 November 2007 (EST)

::Well after the fact, I know, but saw a related discussion elsewhere about disabling AdBlock to support fansites worth supporting, and I think it wouldn't be a bad idea if nearly everything got placed into an as-like folder to encourage whitelisting... but that's me. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 03:59, 7 November 2008 (EST)

== Rule discussion ==

Z is pretty horrible, but not much point taking it out unless its to replace it with something better. (This whole setup is horrible, but that's irrelevant?) --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 21:23, 16 February 2008 (EST)

=== A ===

How do we handle several rules that starts with the same character? I see that '''titles''' have been moved to '''page titles''' because of '''timelessness'''. But what about other scenarios that doesnt have an solution as easy? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 07:51, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:We can handle them as they come up. In general, I think it's better practice to avoid reusing letters than to have to rename an existing rule.

:If we want to just do away with rule '''A''' at this point, that would be fine. It was only meant to be a starting point for brainstorming, and the rules haven't changed much lately. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 11:21, 5 November 2007 (EST)

::I Call for Judgment on this statement, this would remove the backbone rule used to define this alphabetical set of rules. We could put it outside of the rules though, like a description. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 12:24, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:::Unless we have another rule that must start with A, why not keep it? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 12:28, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:::I like rule A, it introduces the page, please keep it --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 16:32, 13 November 2007 (EST)

=== B and E ===

How are B and E ''rules''? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:27, 7 November 2007 (EST)

:Rules? I thought the alphabet was the guide for the war against entropy [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:34, 7 November 2007 (EST)

::Well, the Alphabet rule does describe them as rules. But I don't really think that B and E seem out of place. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 11:37, 7 November 2007 (EST)

:They will simply be replaced by "real" rules once someone have made them. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 14:23, 7 November 2007 (EST)

:I think of them more as "guidelines" ;) [[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 20:22, 7 November 2007 (EST)

:I put strikes through B and E and wrote more helpful ones (along the same lines) --Me
:Gravitas was a silly word. What do you think of the new rules? --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]

:The be bold rule makes it's dramatic return! Victory! [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:39, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

=== I ===

Personally, I find that when the default tilesets are stretched (like [[:Image:Qs01.JPG]]), they become substantially uglier and less easy to follow than many of the user tilesets. Should they be disallowed under {{rule|I}}? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:59, 16 December 2008 (EST)

:If it displays that way on a computer with no alterations of settings, its by definition default. That's exactly the kind of display I see on my computer in fullscreen mode (although I do usually play with the 800x600 in windowed mode, but I wouldn't take a screenshot from that, i'd F11 over to fullscreen - and its aspect ratio is pretty close to my windowed mode ratio). It seems wrong to not allow what the game typically displays.
:I'm curious what you think the non-stretched aspect ratio is? I mean, I can't imagine settings which would actually make tiles look square.
:--[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 16:10, 16 December 2008 (EST)

::Non-stretched, the 800x600 tileset is half that size (10x12). Stretched to 800x600, it's 10x24. This is the ratio of the tiles if you actually view the bmp. To put an end to this bickering, how about an "officially approved screenshot tileset" that is *gasp* NOT one of the two default tilesets, but matches their visual style while being less cramped. How about something in a... 10x16? [80x25 = 800x400] [[User:Random832|Random832]] 23:47, 16 December 2008 (EST)

:::I'm against anything that creates unnecessary impediments to uploading useful images. If you use an extremely nonstandard tileset, that'll impair the usefulness of your images. However, as long as someone familiar with the standard tileset can look at an image and understand what is being illustrated, I would suggest the image is acceptable.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:30, 17 December 2008 (EST)

:::I'm against anything that makes you do extra work to take screenshots. The default appearance on a computer screen should be acceptable. We should not have to write a how-to on how to get DF to display in a way appropriate for screenshots for the wiki. It should be 'take screen shot', 'upload screen shot', 'add screenshot to page'. Done. Bizarre formatting requirements are both a significant barrier to adding content to the wiki and tremendously stupid since screenshots are *advertisements* of the game as well as instructional, and we want people to look at screenshots and be correct in the belief that that is what they'll actually see in game. I don't care what the bmp file says the aspect ratio should be, I care what the game displays that aspect ratio as. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 16:49, 17 December 2008 (EST)

:::Insofar as I can tell, that screenshot is at exactly the same aspect ratio and size as the game window I use. It's the 800x600 tileset, I believe. It's a bit on the tall side, but otherwise I don't see much problem with it, presumably because I see it every time I play the game. I vote letting people make screenshots in whatever shape or form they prefer. Within reason, of course.--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 18:15, 17 December 2008 (EST)

:How about a wikiproject to improve screenshots, so people who care about these things can clean up screenshots rather than just complaining about them? [[User:Random832|Random832]] 14:28, 21 December 2008 (EST)

From what I have seen, on a regular shaped CRT (4:3?) you can simply set the windowed and full screen, they look the same, just different sized, and are fairly clean. For instance, I play with 800x600 resolution, because when I play windowed it is a good window size, but it is also one of the resolutions that most monitors will switch to and from easily under most any OS. [[User:Burlingk|Burlingk]] 22:31, 10 February 2009 (EST)

=== Serious Rules ===

Would it be possible for us to come up with some *real* rules that are more ... serious? --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 08:59, 10 December 2007 (EST)

:The alphabet rules concept is senseless. Maybe remove the fluff? --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 11:09, 10 December 2007 (EST)

::Hey now, with a couple of exceptions, the rules are serious. The point of the alphabet framework wasn't random silliness; it was to inspire creativity and make rule-writing fun. It's hard to come up with good rules out of thin air. It's easier to think up a topic of concern that starts with a particular letter and then write a rule about it.

::Of course, the rules have been pretty stable for a while now, so rule A hasn't been too useful lately. There was a brief discussion a while back about dropping rule A under [[DwarfFortressWiki:Community Portal#Rule discussion]], and everybody seemed to want to keep it at the time. If you want to reopen that discussion, then I'm okay with either keeping it or dropping it (besides which, I haven't been too active around here lately anyway). --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 11:54, 10 December 2007 (EST)

:::I support the Alphabet ruleset, I don't see why it should change. It's clean and clear. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 16:56, 10 December 2007 (EST)

::::It's childish, incomplete, unprofessional and silly. The rules are not grouped logically and there is no table of contents. There's not room for clarification or expounding and little opportunity to expand. It should be scrapped for something that makes sense. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 03:25, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:::::It would be trivial to change it from an unordered list to use section headings, which would allow a table of contents and plenty of room for clarification. I don't think "little opportunity to expand" is valid; there's no reason we can't have multiple rules for the same letter, or rules that fall outside the alphabet rubric entirely.

:::::If you want to improve the organization, then just go for it. Let me suggest that you create the new version on a subpage at first, so that others can view two presentations side by side when discussing it. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 12:06, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:::::While I agree with some of your points, I'd like to say that this is not a "professional" wiki and silliness in general is a good thing. This is a wiki (Internet!) about a game (Haha!) that is pretty silly itself. If you want to create a Whole Complex and Indexed Body of Rules About Everything, go for it and as [[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] said, editors should be able to choose between the two. I just don't see the need. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 14:47, 12 December 2007 (EST)

=== Ack! The ToC! The ToC with a "1.26"! ===

...why do we need section headers for each of the rules? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:52, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

:I've fixed the TOC. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 17:17, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

::Out of curiousity - how? --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 08:40, 20 November 2008 (EST)

:::Smoke and mirrors: He removed the ToC and created a sim-ToC. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:59, 16 December 2008 (EST)

=== W ===

Word-of-mouth: If you hear someone saying something new about the game, don't post it without trying it out yourself. You might have misunderstood something or your friend might have expressed him/herself wrongly. 
Something like that.--[[User:Karpatius|Karppa]] 10:33, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:That goes in the "Rule discussion" section. *ka-move* Also, remember to not put blank lines in a comment by a single user.</offtopic>
:I don't like the rule. It discourages participation in the wiki. If they add something of questionable merit, they're supposed to use the verify template, as stated in rule V. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:39, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::Will remember that in the future.
::--[[User:Karpatius|Karppa]] 02:16, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

=== W 2 ===

There are no rules about humorous content yet. I notice that references to the '''Dwarf pensioners club''' instead of '''(fortress) Guard''' have been taken out of "fact-based" articles so maybe rule W could be:

:'''Wit''' can be hard to recognise once it has been written down. It is best if it is used on clearly humour or story related pages, talk or user pages, but kept to a minimum in fact-based articles like [[Dwarf]] or [[Summer]].

This puts it "on the table" that your humour is appreciated in certain places but not in every article you contribute to. I'm not happy with my own wording but I think the intent should be there somewhere.

It could go at '''Zany''' instead because Z will be harder letter to use up!
(having said all that I personally don't object to "well done" humour even in straight-cut articles like [[Screw pump]] - the issue is my humour is incomprehensible to a lot of people and can just sound rude!)
[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 02:51, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

:I like it as '''Wit'''. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:09, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

::With no against comments I put in in there with a reference to {{tl|D for Dwarf}}.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 01:01, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

=== Other letters ===

Historically English had a number of letters missing from this list, namely edh (Ð/ð), thorn (Þ/þ), and yogh (Ȝ/ȝ). Do we need rules for them?--[[User:Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)|Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)]] 20:49, 14 November 2008 (EST)

:No. They do NOT exist in today's English, thus they don't belong in the list. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 22:07, 14 November 2008 (EST)

::Of course not, that's just silly. We do need one rule for each positive integer in existence, however. --[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 23:16, 14 November 2008 (EST)

== Enforcing consistency in screenshots? ==

Can I strongly suggest that all screenshots be taken with the default interface and tileset, for consistency's sake? It seems to me like that would be a good way of keeping the wiki aesthetics constant. [[User:EighenIndemnis|EighenIndemnis]] 11:33, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:We can make it a rule, but we shouldn't remove any screenshots for non-conformance (except to replace them with conforming screenshots). --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 11:46, 5 November 2007 (EST)

::Yeah, for some tutorials that are written while the user is playing, it would be impossible to anyway. [[User:EighenIndemnis|EighenIndemnis]] 11:47, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:::I agree that images should use the default tileset for articles, but I disagree for personal pages or bloodline games. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]

::::The rule as written already exempts bloodline games. The only rule that should apply to personal pages is '''D'''. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:05, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Um, I added the rule before noticing the discussion here. Anyway, I added rule '''I''', inspired by the old [[Water wheel]] image ([[:Image:PerpetualMotion.JPG]]), which was incomprehesible to me and unnecessarily large. Like Peristarkawan said, the exemption of user pages is implied, but feel free to make it explicit if you want. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 16:13, 5 November 2007 (EST)

How about this?

[[Image:World_creation_screen2.png | none | frame | 400px | World creation screenshot.]]

It's clean, neat and doesn't warp the page. :) The obvious drawback is file size is not monitored. Can't we edit the file upload settings to measure pixels? Nothing over 800x600? [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 19:16, 7 November 2007 (EST)

== Redirects and article titles ==

How do you do that thing that makes a certain term redirect to a different page? Like [[Elephants]] redirecting to [[Elephant]], for example. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 15:20, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

:If [[Elephants]] already exists, you can move the page to [[Elephant]], and it will create the redirect for you. Otherwise, just edit [[Elephants]] to read: <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Elephant]]</nowiki> --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 15:26, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

::I see, thanks! --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 15:27, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

:::Just FYI, if at all possible, ''do not create pages as plurals''. Use the following syntax: <nowiki>[[Elephant]]s</nowiki>: example [[Elephant]]s. --[[User:JT|JT]] 20:20, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

What about titles that are verbs? Should they be in "base-form"? Or whatever its called (my english on this level isnt the best). Example: should the title be '''Mine''' or '''Mining'''? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 17:30, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:Based on the Wikipedia style, titles should be nouns. So in your example it should be the gerund '''Mining''', and '''Mine''' would be the title for an article about mines. I've updated the rule to reflect this. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 17:35, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::What about skills and professions? Should we have a '''Bone carving''' (labor preference) article and a '''Bone carver''' (skill) article, or would this be redundant? I've seen both styles linked to, but tend to think that the -ing form should redirect to the -er form. Opinions? --[[User:Mechturk|Mechturk]] 03:11, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:::Sounds good to me. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 11:21, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Btw, shouldnt all these comments be moved into [[DwarfFortressWiki talk:Community Portal|talk]]? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 17:30, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:Moved the account problem comments to the talk page. The rest are informative. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 13:26, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

== Tutorials ==

New players are getting bogged down by the complexity at the start of their fortresses, I think we should get some "getting started" or "surviving your first winter" type tutorials up as soon as possible. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 16:33, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:[[Your first fortress]] will do just that. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:31, 2 November 2007 (EDT) 

== Categories ==

I saw that the category [[:category:buildings]] had been added to category [[:category:world]]. I started to look for categories without parents and adding them to world to sortof have a list of every category. Is this good thinking? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 19:19, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:We already have a list of all categories at [[Special:Categories]], although it does include a few categories that aren't directly related to the game.
:Based upon the description of [[:Category:World]], it seems to me that most of the things that are currently in it don't really belong there. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 19:27, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::Ok, Ill remove them from [[:category:world]]. But how often is [[Special:Categories]] updated? I dont see [[:category:furnaces]] in there. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 20:24, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:::[[Special:Categories]] is automatically updated by the Wiki software as soon as it detects a change. However, MediaWikis aggressively cache pages. It's also possible you're looking a client-side cached page of it. Finally, I don't see any content in that category so it's possible it's being ignored. See [[Special:Unusedcategories]] instead. --[[User:JT|JT]] 20:28, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

== Deletion ==

We now have a [[:category:deletion]], who has the power to delete pages? When are they deleted? Who make the final call? The same person that deletes them? What rules should we make regarding this? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 11:57, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:Anyone can mark a page for deletion using the <nowiki>{{del}}</nowiki> tag, however it is usually recommended to get a consensus that it's not worth keeping. Exceptions are things like spam or empty pages. The <nowiki>{{del}}</nowiki> tag just lets the admin know to delete it, ultimately it's his call to do so or not. Just ask around on the talk page first, if no one disagrees, add the tag. (Disclaimer: that's how it worked on the old wiki, the policy may change as this new wiki grows.) --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 13:02, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

== Water level style ==

I think we should have a standard style for talking about water level. We could say it various ways, such as "6/7 water," "water with a depth of 6," "a depth of 6 pool," or "water with a depth of six." It seems using the numeral makes it clear that we mean water depth, without adding the /7. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 13:02, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:I'm not sure. The /7 is definately unnessessary and that we should use 6 instead of six, maybe create a template to make the numberal blue/red (water/magma)? If not "Water 6" and "Magma 5" seem short, simple, correct, and understandable.--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 03:27, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

::Like {{Raw Tile|6|#44F|#009}} / {{Raw Tile|6|#F44|#900}} or {{Raw Tile|6|#00F|#000}} / {{Raw Tile|6|#F00|#000}}? --[[User:Matryx|Matryx]] 05:38, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:::Too hard to read against the normal white background I think. But just the coloured number on its own would stand out weirdly. --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 06:10, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:::: {{Raw Tile|6|#00F|#FFF}} / {{Raw Tile|6|#F00|#FFF}} or not even going so far as to use the tile template? --[[User:Matryx|Matryx]] 06:16, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:I think "depth of 7" works wonders, bold, colored text had a bit high contrast according to my taste. In case there is either magma or water, just state it. And we should also link to a waterdepth article for those that are in need of furher explanation of the concept. Example; "a water wheel needs to be placed in flowing [[water]] with a [[water depth|depth]] of at least 3". --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 07:44, 5 November 2007 (EST)

== Templates? ==

Is there a page with a list of all the templates available to us? Are all of the templates migrated from the old wiki? --[[User:Felix the Cat|Felix the Cat]] 00:51, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

:You can find a list at [[Special:Allpages?namespace=10]]. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 01:44, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

== Forum references ==

Where there is a bit saying "Toady said this", what is the best way to link to the forum? Currently in magma, I've got a link to http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=001504 which shows up as [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=001504] (not ''too'' bad). Is there a better way of doing it akin to Wikipedia with <ref>something</ref>? Maybe something like [[Template:version]] for future (but that doesn't cover the "this is how it works now" type thing. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 02:17, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

: IIRC the <ref> system on Wikipedia requires an extension to be installed. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 17:48, 7 November 2007 (EST)
::I know this is late but try this:
::<nowiki>[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=001504 Caption]</nowiki>
::which shows as
::[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=001504 Caption]
::I would use it like this:
:::"According to a [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=001504 forum post]..."
::[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 02:41, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

Links of this form fail - is this forum totally gone/replaced, or can the links somehow be translated to the current forum? [[User:Random832|Random832]] 17:23, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

== Crops categories ==

My wiki-fu is weak, but surely there is a better way to present the myriad crops than having a different category for each season and biome? [[:Category:Crops]] could at least show the seasons grouped seperate from the biomes. Are we going to put each plant in its respective biome and seasons, ''and'' in [[:Category:Crops]], or is [[List of crops]] sufficient? Just seems like there's a lot of potential for a mess here, and we need to standardize the plant pages and various categories.

Personally I like the way the old wiki did it, with some nice templates. Granted there are a lot more plants in this version, but not so much that we need 20 subcategories cluttering up the crops category. See [http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Crops Crops] and [http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Plump_Helmets Plump Helmets]; easy to tell what crops belong in what season. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 02:52, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

== Wealth page... ==

I've been looking for tips on building fortress wealth, and haven't really been able to find anything. Can someone who knows something about it start a [[Wealth]] page? I know that mining out areas, making things, and artifacts contribute to wealth, but that's all I know. How much does mining a square contribute? Are there other ways to build wealth? Do mined out areas have to be populated, or can I go mine away a random hill and have it count? What are the best things to make to increase value? Do items have to be placed, or just made? and so on... --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 16:22, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

== Formatting standards ==

=== Category tags ===

On this wiki, the standard for capitalization in category tags is <tt><nowiki>[[Category:Stub]]</nowiki></tt>. I asked what it should be, and nobody answered for two and a half months, so I feel entitled to decide it. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 12:57, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

=== Headers ===

At the current time, the standard for a header is <code>=== Headers ===</code>. <code>===Headers===</code> is slightly easier to type, is typed more often by newbies, and works just as well, but has less white space. Input? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 12:57, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

:I like <code>=== Header ===</code> better, because it's easier to read, and the extra whitespace helps call your attention to the name of the section, whereas you might glance over it as an "unrecognized token" if you didn't manage to filter out the immediately surrounding markup. I think the 2 bytes saved on whitespace is negligible and I certainly don't mind correcting them when I find 'em, if necessary. A similar question (if it's not been asked) would be whether or not to include a newline in between a heading and its text. I think for big sections of text, an extra line looks nice, but for multiple, smaller, less important sections, it's easier to manage the headings if there's no blank line separating them from the section they head. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 14:18, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

::I always put a blank line above and below a header (unless it's the first line in the page), except in rare situations, like the current List of Twenty-Six Rules. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 16:40, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

=== Talk pages ===

The current standard seems to be to never put a blank line in a comment by a single users, except in highly lengthy comments, and to always put exactly one blank line between comments by different users, because that's what I say in [[Template:Newbie]], but is that correct? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 16:40, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== Italian Wiki ==

Hi! 
I've just ask to Tarn to open an italian guide on this wiki.. so can i do it? --[[User:Marte]]

:No, this wiki is english only. You're free, however, to make an Italian DF wiki... I'm not sure how that works, though, so don't ask me. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:29, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

i need an answer about this.. who can help me?

== Wikprojects ==

Do we have wikiprojects like Wikipedia? I want to start one on making sure answers to the [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=ff2b3eb60775033d8509fa42a227db08&board=7.0 DF gameplay questions] in the forum are in the wiki. [[User:DanielLC|DanielLC]] 15:18, 4 October 2008 (EDT)

== footnotes ==

Before Wikipedia had <ref>, there were some templates they used to get about the same effect with a little more awkwardness - I can find them and get it working here if anyone wants. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 13:11, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

== Pictures ==

How about RL pictures of things like minerals, etc, that people may not be able to easily visualize? [[User:Random832|Random832]] 00:09, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

:I agree. Can someone edit [[Template:Stone layer]] to allow pictures of the actual stone? I'd be happy to contribute pictures after that. I suggest using the pictures on [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia Commons]. [[User:DanielLC|DanielLC]] 23:39, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

::We already link to the relevant Wikipedia article on all the stone and ore pages (at the bottom of that template). No need to bring all the pictures over here when they're just a click away. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 14:43, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

== {{[[Template:a|a]]|anchor|name}} ==

<s>Can someone make that using my [[Template:Sandbox|quick mockup of the concept]] of anchor tags without the anchor tags? I'm busy trying to not get caught using the computer. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:14, 6 November 2008 (EST)</s>

:Nevermind, I just did it. :V --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 17:01, 19 November 2008 (EST)

== Worldgen artificial features ==

I.e. sites, roads, etc.

Right now, we have [[site]] which covers pretty much everything about buildings, [[road]] which has a section covering roads and bridges, and dwarf/goblin tunnels are briefly mentioned in both.

So, gathering opinions time - do you think we should have one article encompassing everything, one about sites and one about road/bridge/tunnel, or a different article about each map feature. And how do adventure-mode caravans fit in?

[[User:Random832|Random832]] 13:09, 19 November 2008 (EST)

== Redirects with potential ==

I recently saw a link changed on the grounds of "when you can, don't link to a redirect" - I disagree with this - I think that when there is potential for a topic to eventually get an article of its own, links relating to that topic should go to that title so that they don't have to be altered when that article is created. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 08:34, 20 November 2008 (EST)

:In general I agree with you. I also advocate the use of sensible synonym and alternate word form redirects, such as [[architect]] for [[building designer]], or [[reveal]] for [[revealed tile]] -- this makes it much easier to link things that need linking without having to pipe all the time. (For the uninitiated, a piped link is like so: <nowiki>[[what it points to|what is displayed]]</nowiki>.) The cost to the server for handling a redirect is negligible, according to the devs of the MediaWiki software, so we should take advantage of them, where it makes sense to do so.

:In the particular case, I didn't contradict the poster because a) the redirect linked to didn't have much potential ("shore", was it?) and b) it was a piped link anyway. By the time you're going to pipe a link, at least use one that makes sense. A subsequent editor addressed that issue.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 12:36, 20 November 2008 (EST)

Right, I just meant as a general principle. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 16:25, 24 November 2008 (EST)

== Creature articles of little significance ==

I just stumbled on [[Whale shark]] - there are numerous articles like this - and while there are plenty of creatures that are "notable" (either due to historical notoriety like the [[carp]] or [[elephant]], or due to some unique aspect of their behavior like the [[rhesus macaque]]), there's lots that are pretty much just name/tile/stats. Anyone have any thoughts on merging them into sensible categories? [[User:Random832|Random832]] 16:25, 24 November 2008 (EST)

:An article with just stats is unimpressive, but I'd rather have the stats than not. Merging them would be ugly unless the stats were removed, so I don't think there's any benefit to merging them.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 20:00, 24 November 2008 (EST)

== New version approaching ==

Yes, I know it's likely not coming until april, but the new version will have some significant differences to the current one, particularly where combat is concerned. Shall we make a category and notice template in order to tag places that will likely need revision come april (or whenever it's done) in order to get a head start on organization? [[User:Fieari|Fieari]] 15:36, 25 December 2008 (EST)

:It's hard to correctly anticipate what will need changing. Better to wait until we have it in front of us, I think.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:09, 25 December 2008 (EST)

== Thoughts on {{rule|i}} - Diagrams ==

Isn't [[Template:RT]] really more complexity than we need? How about this?

<pre style="font:bold 20px/1 'Courier New';color:#ccc;background:black;width:auto;padding:0;float:left">
╔═══╗
║+++║
║+++┼
║+++║
╚═══╝
</pre>{{-}}

Save the complex templates for when you actually need color

You can even drop the complexity further for a nice typewriter character set
<pre style="font:bold 20px/1 'Courier New';color:#ccc;background:black;width:auto;padding:0;float:left">
#####
#...#
#...+
#...#
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</pre>{{-}}

(I picked this particular size because it makes ░░░▒▒▒▓▓▓ look right in them, which makes it seem that it's the size the font is designed for. I picked this _font_ because it provides all of the CP437 characters. The actual style tag you see above could be moved to a template so it would look like <code><pre <nowiki>{{TD}}</nowiki>></code>)

[[User:Random832|Random832]] 20:28, 30 December 2008 (EST)

== Mod content in regular articles ==

"All mod content, it has been stated, should not appear in the regular articles." --[[User:Zchris13]], at [[Talk:Sand]] 
If I recall correctly, one guy stated that yesterday. Personally, I find it rather counter-DF: 
"In Dwarf Fortress, modding almost ''is'' vanilla." --[[User:Savok]], at the [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php forums] 
Opinions? Beliefs? Comments? Thoughts? Please, answer this, The Community! --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:24, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

:I'm probably the one who you're thinking of who stated it ;)
:#I don't think that modding is ''ever'' vanilla, no matter what the game, how mod-friendly the game is, or how many mods exist. Saying that it's incredibly common does not change the definition of the term "unmodded".
:#I think that modding information would be better served by putting it in one place. It's easier to figure out modding and/or find the information you need if it's all on one page (or a small number of pages). And if the information is there, why would you ''also'' put it on ''every single other article in the wiki''?
:#Whenever the ways something can be modded changes, every single article about that something would have to be changed. If a new way to mod metals, for example, was added, then every single metal article would have to be changed to reflect this.
:#tl;dr version: I think it would be horrifically redundant even by typical wiki standards and would never be maintained anyways (seriously, there are still pages that haven't been updated since the 2D version). And that's even before you think about whether it ''should'' be done at all.
:--[[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 13:10, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

::Sorry, couldn't find it in all of yesterday's edits.
::#Yeah, I shouldn't go changing my definitions of words. What I mean is "modding is normal."
::#I agree partially, but, since light modding is normal and mainstream, it should go in normal and mainstream articles.
::#No, every article that mentioned metal-modding. And I don't think that there are too many non-modding articles that do.
::#TL/DR: I think that a little mentioning of modding (for example, stating in [[Sand]] that you can mod any soil into sand (although that's a bit obvious)) is fine, although I fully agree that all possible topic-related modding should not be mentioned.
::--[[User:Savok|Savok]] 18:45, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

:::I think I can live with that ;). Also, I appreciate the reformatting: I couldn't find the instructions on how to make such a list, though odds are it's right in front of me =( --[[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 19:41, 8 March 2009 (EDT)

== Heading gripe ==

I'd like to add to H that one shouldn't use heading sections of one = because it results in bad html coding and a title the size of the page name. It's also general practice on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Section#Creation_and_numbering_of_sections wikipedia]. Anyways, I thought I'd post something here before I go ahead and change it so I can at least pretend to have discussed it before hand. --[[User:Mikaka|Mikaka]] 05:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Modding content ==
Is this, [[New_Plants]], really how we do it? Frankly, i found it a bit confusing at first. At least it should get a better header. --[[User:Confused|Confused]] 00:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

== JavaScript seems disabled ==

The collapsible box doesn't seems collapsible anymore. I don't see the [show]/[hide] anymore either, since the wiki broke. Am I the only one with this trouble ? --[[User:Karl|Karl]] 01:02, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

== We spoil. Do we spoil too much? Do we detail pointlessly? ==

As everyone knows, the wiki spoils everything about Dwarf Fortress. We have a spoiler-warning system, but it's quite disused. I think one guy said that it's pointless, because we need to put it on every page, because every page is a spoiler. We have a tendency to detail everything, much of which isn't helpful to newbies but ruins a little the delight a newbie can take in DF that no longer exists for us veterans.

For example, to quote the page [[woodcutter]], "Woodcutters are working outdoors where they are in constant danger of being [[ambush]]ed by invaders or attacked by wild animals (unless, of course, you are the proud owner of an [[Tower-cap#Underground_tree_farm|underground tree farm]]), but they are also one of the few civilian professions which carry [[weapons]] with them. Thus, it can be helpful to teach them how to use their axes to defend themselves (and others) properly by making them spend a few months as [[axedwarf]]s in your [[military]]."

Here, all that really should be noted is that woodcutting skill does not help in combat. Yes, another problem with the wiki as it is is that we often assume that newbies know a lot of stuff they don't, making even DFwiki have a steep learning curve - a bit ironic. Regardless, pointless detail such as in the above article not only does not help but hurts, making the wiki dry and boring.

I propose that we write into our little [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Community Portal|constitution]] a guideline to avoid such detail in addition to removing large amounts from the wiki, fixing the pages. Of course, this is a major undertaking, not to just be done. What do y'all think? Agree? Argue? Please do comment. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 02:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Current events

2009-09-10T02:32:35Z

Savok: bah.

*Another discussion regarding general style and philosophy of the wiki, at [[Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Community Portal#We_spoil._Do_we_spoil_too_much.3F_Do_we_detail_pointlessly.3F|Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Community Portal]], "We spoil. Do we spoil too much? Do we detail pointlessly?" --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 02:21, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

*Screenshots! Take interesting screenshots of parts of your fortress. Upload them to the wiki. Put them [[template talk:sg|here]] and see them on the main page. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 12:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

*A call for opinion on 6 recently deleted quotes has been posted on the [[Talk:Main Page/Quote|Quote discussion page]]--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 06:53, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

*A new standard for avoiding overly-long quotes on the main page has been suggested and posted - [[Talk:Main Page/Quote|Quote discussion page]].--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 04:14, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

*[[Armor]] should be getting a rewrite soon, see [[Armor set]].--[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 04:44, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:There had been about 5-6 pages on "defense", and suggestions and advice on various topics were scattered and repeated across all of them. The first stage of the effort to re-organize them into 4 tightly defined and user-friendly topics using current DF wiki naming conventions has resulted in 4 pages: a General guide and overview (rewrite of [[Defense guide]] article), and 3 new articles on specific design - layout and architecture ([[Defense design]]), traps ([[Trap design]]), and specific advice on organizing your military ([[Military design]]).
:Discussion from any pages removed or renamed will be placed (or linked) under one of those four. Discussion re this re-organization is on the [[Talk:Fortress defense]] page.
::--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 08:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

*There is a more specific discussion of the several various (and often redundant) "defense" pages, and possibly combining, rewriting and/or reformatting them, on the [[Talk:Fortress defense]] page. --[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 05:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
:*"Defense" rewrite" rough re-organization completed

*There is currently a discussion regarding the general style and philosophy of this wiki, of "what deserves its own page" on the [[Talk:Main Page]]. Any and all are welcome to chime in.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 05:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Current events

2009-09-10T02:21:43Z

Savok: Major wiki policy discussion. Also, I reordered the items on this page so that recent ones go on top.

*Another discussion regarding general style and philosophy of the wiki, at [[Talk:Main_Page#We_spoil._Do_we_spoil_too_much.3F_Do_we_detail_pointlessly.3F|Talk:Main_Page]], "We spoil. Do we spoil too much? Do we detail pointlessly?" --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 02:21, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

*Screenshots! Take interesting screenshots of parts of your fortress. Upload them to the wiki. Put them [[template talk:sg|here]] and see them on the main page. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 12:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

*A call for opinion on 6 recently deleted quotes has been posted on the [[Talk:Main Page/Quote|Quote discussion page]]--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 06:53, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

*A new standard for avoiding overly-long quotes on the main page has been suggested and posted - [[Talk:Main Page/Quote|Quote discussion page]].--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 04:14, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

*[[Armor]] should be getting a rewrite soon, see [[Armor set]].--[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 04:44, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:There had been about 5-6 pages on "defense", and suggestions and advice on various topics were scattered and repeated across all of them. The first stage of the effort to re-organize them into 4 tightly defined and user-friendly topics using current DF wiki naming conventions has resulted in 4 pages: a General guide and overview (rewrite of [[Defense guide]] article), and 3 new articles on specific design - layout and architecture ([[Defense design]]), traps ([[Trap design]]), and specific advice on organizing your military ([[Military design]]).
:Discussion from any pages removed or renamed will be placed (or linked) under one of those four. Discussion re this re-organization is on the [[Talk:Fortress defense]] page.
::--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 08:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

*There is a more specific discussion of the several various (and often redundant) "defense" pages, and possibly combining, rewriting and/or reformatting them, on the [[Talk:Fortress defense]] page. --[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 05:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
:*"Defense" rewrite" rough re-organization completed

*There is currently a discussion regarding the general style and philosophy of this wiki, of "what deserves its own page" on the [[Talk:Main Page]]. Any and all are welcome to chime in.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 05:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

40d:Wood cutter

2009-09-10T02:06:05Z

Savok: (please... it's "dwarves" or "dwarfs" or even "dorfs" but never ever "dwarfes." I also haven't seen "dorves," I think.)

{{Skill
| color = rgb(255,255,0)
| skill = Wood Cutter
| speciality = Woodcutter
| profession = [[Woodworker]]
| job name = [[Wood Cutting]]
| tasks =
* Chop down trees
}}
A '''wood cutter''' cuts down [[tree]]s to create [[wood]] logs.

To employ a wood cutter, give him the [[wood cutting]] labor, and [[Designations|designate]] some trees for logging using the keys {{key|d}}-{{key|t}}.

A wood cutter also requires an available [[axe]]. The quality or material of the axe has no effect on any aspect of woodcutting - a [[quality|no-quality]] [[copper]] axe is the same as a [[quality|masterwork]] [[steel]] or [[adamantine]] one. (The same is not true for axes in [[weapon|combat]].)

This skill increases rapidly. With an ample supply of trees, a dedicated wood cutter who does not do his own wood [[hauling]] can reach legendary status in well under a year, and can singlehandedly meet the lumber needs of most types of fortresses. A single [[dwarf]] can also function well as a dedicated wood cutter ''and'' [[Plant gathering|plant gatherer]], provided that this dwarf is not your sole food provider.

A dwarf cannot have both the [[Mining]] and Wood Cutting labors enabled, as doing so would require them to dual-wield an axe and a pick.

Woodcutters are working outdoors where they are in constant danger of being [[ambush]]ed by invaders or attacked by wild animals (unless, of course, you are the proud owner of an [[Tower-cap#Underground_tree_farm|underground tree farm]]), but they are also one of the few civilian professions which carry [[weapons]] with them. Thus, it can be helpful to teach them how to use their axes to defend themselves (and others) properly by making them spend a few months as [[axedwarf]]s in your [[military]].

Setting all dwarves which must work outside to Wood Cutting can be a good idea, as it means they will carry axes with them at all times - though this also means that they will usually interrupt anything they're doing to go chop trees.

{{Skills}}
[[Category:Jobs]]

40d:Miner

2009-09-10T02:00:24Z

Savok:

{{Skill
| color = rgb(192,192,192)
| skill = Miner
| speciality = Miner
| profession = Miner
| job name = [[Mining]]
| tasks =
* [[Dig]]
}}
'''Miners''' are necessary to build any kind of fortress, unless you're planning on building everything out of [[wood]] and on the surface, like one of those foolish [[Human|humans]].

Skill level increases the speed of mining and also increases the chance of leaving behind [[stone]], [[ore]] or [[gem]]s depending on the material mined. At Legendary skill, a miner will always leave stone/ore/gems behind. High skill can actually be undesirable, since excess stone can be a nuisance. However, miners gain skill extremely quickly so some amount of stone is unavoidable. Miners are required to dig, build [[channel]]s, dig out [[stair]]s and [[ramp]]s, and remove said stairs and ramps. Miners require a [[pick]] to do any work.

In order to start digging you need to designate an area to be dug. This is done with the [[Designations]] menu.

Currently, the only way to prevent miners from mining a certain area is to prevent them from mining at all.

The mining skill is unique in that it is the only civilian skill that can be used in combat. Because miners quickly improve their mining skill during the normal course of mining, and because they always carry their picks with them, miners are extremely useful for defense in the early stages of the game. [[Woodcutter]]s also carry their [[axe]]s with them at all times, but axes use a special combat skill that is not practiced while doing civilian work. Miners will use their picks as weapons if they are drafted while they are carrying picks, and they are not designated to use any other weapon (i.e., they are instructed to fight [[Wrestling|unarmed]]). Picks make better [[weapon]]s than one might expect - basically, they are spears that do 30% less damage. During this combat, a miner gains mining skill.

The material or quality of a pick does not affect mining speed, but it does affect combat strength.

{{Skills}}
[[Category:Professions]]
[[Category:Jobs]]

Main Page/Quote

2009-09-08T17:38:58Z

Savok: bug 836 is actually about swamps and reclaiming and stuff. Plus other changes.

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|'''Urdim Kutamèrith, Pump Operator, has created Rakusttenshed, a Glumprong blowgun!''' Urdim, you are a freaking idiot.
|<Forkez> I don't get the game, but I do get that tunnels flooded with water is a bad thing.
|"If you give a dwarf a fire, he will be warm for a night. If you set a dwarf on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life."
|"Since the Elves said they won't let me cut down any trees, I bought 50 of their logs instead."
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|The flood just came out of ''nowhere''!!!
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|"So let me get this straight. We managed to destroy dwarven civilization while only managing a single town??" --alway
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|Solon ùstlorbam, Dwarf Ranger: "Life is, in a word, fire."
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|Sarvesh Ralrubal likes olivine, olivine and olivine.
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|Only in Dwarf Fortress would you try to catch a mermaid to butcher her and make trophies out of her bones.
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User:Savok

2009-09-08T17:04:53Z

Savok:

"So sayeth the Wiki Loremaster!" ...who knows a lot less than he used to. Let's say the former Wiki Loremaster.

My life is busy. Usually, I have time for exactly one fun project. Sometimes less. If I want to spend all my fun time working on this wiki, then I can effectively edit it... otherwise not. :(

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Someone should make an article on UMkey sometime... until then, use [http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Community_Portal#Unified_map_key this section from the old wiki's community portal].

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40d Talk:Item quality

2009-03-15T20:14:45Z

Savok: /* Quality Probability Formulae */ ack

With regard to dwarves throwing a fit if a masterwork item is destroyed; I accidentally wrecked a masterwork engraving by having my miners dig out the other side of the wall where it was engraved. Sure enough, the engraver proceeded to make a fuss.

Then he scheduled a meeting with my broker/manager/leader dwarf. After the meeting I checked the engravers moods and saw the message "He recently yelled at a superior, but this only made him more angry" (not a direct quote). I'm wondering, does this mean that if the appropriate noble (I'm guessing the leader) has decent social skills they can actually get a tantruming dwarf to calm down and get back to work.

:Might be worth further investigation.--[[User:WyldKarde|WyldKarde]] 17:22, 4 November 2007 (EST)

:Curious. Makes me wish Toady let out a little bit more info than he does about his game (we still don't know how combat works). But then again, it adds another level to an already deep game.--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 17:39, 4 November 2007 (EST)

== Trading masterpieces. ==

As far as I can make out, masterpieces can be traded without a tantrum. Can anyone confirm this? Is it worth adding? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:38, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:I traded away a half-dozen masterwork stonecrafts to the elves this Spring. So far, no reaction from my craftsdwarf, and the elves have left the map (it's been 2 months). So I'd say, conservatively, that you can at least trade stonecrafts. If this is true in general, then trading might be the safest thing to do with your masterworks. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 02:42, 20 November 2007 (EST)

::I've traded various masterwork crafts and masterwork prepared food so I'd tend to agree. My first response to most masterwork items is to try this as it saves a lot of hassle :) --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 08:44, 20 November 2007 (EST)

:::So how bad is it to have Masterwork or Masterwork adorned clothing on your dwarfs? [[User:Chrispy|Chrispy]] 22:14, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

::::The stuff eventually rots and gets thrown away, causing the dwarf who made it to tantrum. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:49, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

== Wear and Tear ==

Wear is similar to quality, in that it adds a symbol notation to the item description - "x" "X" or "XX". I would also be very surprised if it didn't impact the value and effectiveness of an item - in particular, dwarves notice when their clothes start to decay, and give unhappy thoughts. Should we incorporate that material here, or just link to it? [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 00:25, 19 November 2007 (EST)
: And while we're at it, for completeness, things can also have decorations «», be imported () or forbidden {}. Any other designations? [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 00:32, 19 November 2007 (EST)
: Any idea how wear and tear is calculated? I've have a long-time miner whose clothes are still rather pristine but what my mayor, who did next to nothing, wore was tattered. --[[User:FJH|FJH]] 00:54 20 February 2009 (EST)

== Alcohol Quality ==

Is this confirmed? I've never heard of it before, and as fasr as I know, the "had a wonderful drink lately" happy thought just comes from consuming one's favourite drink ("prefers to drink dwarven rum when possible" etc.) --[[User:Furiousfish|Furiousfish]] 10:40, 19 November 2007 (EST)

== Multiple quality modifiers ==

Does anyone know how to determine the value of items with multiple quality modifiers on them? Like bridges (design quality and construction quality) or clothing (weaving & clothesmaking). [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 14:20, 20 December 2007 (EST)
:I thought that at least bridges have only design quality. All walls constructed with masonry/carpentry/metalsmithing don't have any quality at least. As for clothing - I believe that I've seen well clothing, description of which states that it was made from fine cloth and the thread was dyed with a specific plant extract. The general rule is imho that every multi-staged job uses only 1 skill to determine the quality of the output (always architecture in any construction) but the quality of the materials is preserved (if any at all). One needs to look closer at the values of various multi-quality clothing to determine the value rule in that case. --[[User:Another|Another]] 19:13, 20 December 2007 (EST)
::In fact bridges have two quality modifiers. The design modifier is based on the architect's skill, the construction modifier is based on the builder's masonry skill (or carpentry, or metalsmithing, whichever is appropriate to the given bridge). It's quite difficult to determine the actual value of the bridge, since the value and number of materials used factors in as well. It would probably be easiest to just halt all mining and engraving, build the bridge, and see how much the architecture value of your fortress raises. As far as clothing values go, I believe that dye is counted as a decoration, and the value of the dye, multiplied by the quality of the dye job, is simply added to the value of the clothing. I believe the quality of the cloth is also considered a decoration, using the quality and the base cloth value to calculate the end value. Both dye and cloth quality values are added to the end value of the clothing. Most of this comes from tests done in the old 2D version, and so the formula may have changed, although I doubt it. With skilled weavers and clothiers you can make some ridiculously valuable cloth items out of giant cave spider silk. --[[User:Mzbundifund|Mzbundifund]] 19:01, 20 December 2007 (CST)

== See Also ==

[[Item designations]] 
Perhaps a merge might be nice? --[[User:Chrispy|Chrispy]] 22:15, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

:Although Quality creates item designations, they are not at all the same topic. So no. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:51, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

== Masterpiece Meals ==

It says in the article that rotting masterpiece meals gives the maker an unhappy thought, but i have had many masterpiece meals rot without any repercussions. I do remember however that in the 2D version chasming rotten meals would cause the creator to tantrum. [[User:Curudan|Curudan]] 16:03, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
:I've just had a masterpiece meal rot away, and it did indeed give the creator an unhappy thought. Wasn't enough to bring her down from ecstatic, though, so I've no idea how powerful it is. --[[User:Gh3yz0r|Gh3yz0r]] 19:25, 27 April 2008 (EDT)
::Masterpiece destruction is no longer the headache it once was. Used to the loss of a masterpiece would absolutely crush the soul of a dwarf. Removing 1000 mood points. Now it removes mood based on how many other masterpieces they have. So legendary chefs hardly notice when one of their thousands of masterpieces rot. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 01:17, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:::This seems like a REALLY important piece of information; someone may fear a legendary cook without this knowledge. --[[User:Bombcar|Bombcar]] 17:21, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

== Lower than expected item quality ==

I have just made an observation that appears to contradict the information given on this page. I have a legendary mason (I believe she's at the lower legendary level) who I set to constructing statues. However, one of the statues ended up being merely well-crafted, when according to the table, the lowest possible quality should have been superior. Does anybody know what could explain this occurence, or is the table simply wrong? --[[User:Morlark]]

:Are you certain that no other dwarf could have made the statue? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 00:12, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

::Absolutely sure. Not only was the workshop set so that only that dwarf could use it, but I was specifically watching the dwarf the whole time. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]] 01:38, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

:::Was the dwarf in question unhappy/hungry/thirsty/having-a-negative-status-effect? According to one guy, those cause skill levels to be effectively lowered. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 08:49, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

::::Nope, she was ecstatic, with no negative status effects. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]] 15:37, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

:It should be noted that the provided table only takes into account a quite small part of the code. There might be external effects. Does the guy dislike the material / item being made? -[[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 09:17, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

== Artifact quality modifier? ==

I can't find the damage / to-hit / armor modifier values for artifact level items anywhere. Can anyone shed some light on the subject? --[[User:PrettyGrizzly|PrettyGrizzly]] 11:16, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

:The current status of this question is "nobody knows, but we think it's a lot higher than masterpiece." --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:06, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

::I've heard somewhere that it's about 500%. I'm not sure about it in any way though. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 20:51, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

:::I guess I should've been a bit more specific. The current status of this question is "nobody knows, but we think it's a lot higher than masterpiece. We're going with 500% as an estimate for now." --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 21:45, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

:AFAIK, it's in memory the same quality as masterpiece. --[[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 09:16, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

::Can you provide concrete confirmation of that? It would go a long ways towards...well, towards exactly this, which would help several pages. [[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 15:18, 11 December 2008 (EST)

==Two Quality Levels==

If a clothier were to make a finely crafted image on a piece of clothing, then a bone carver makes a masterpiece decoration on the same thing, how do they determine the quality level? Is it the "average" of the quality levels because, my cook made a roast that had one exceptionally minced ingredient, then two finely minced ingredients and one well minced ingredient it became a fine quality roast which is the average of the qualities.--[[User:Stinhad Limarezum|Stinhad Limarezum]] 02:29, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

:Prepared meals seem to have a different quality formula than other objects, although I don't know if that formula is an average of all qualities or something else. For all other objects, decorations have a separate quality from the item's inherent quality (i.e., a *<<+bolt+>>*, where the bolt is + and the decorations are *).--18:50, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

== Are preferences really more helpful with novices? ==

I just added the "Jump" column to the table on this page. Based on it I think this statement is false:

>Preferences for particular materials and objects make a considerable difference. Although the exact adjustment is unknown, preliminary testing indicates that they can boost effective skill (not quality) by one to three levels (if the craftdwarf likes the item type, subtype and material), and have thus greatest impact when the dwarf is still relatively unskilled.

[[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 19:47, 6 December 2008 (EST)

:Well, what's really needed is formal testing of a dwarf working on preferred materials and non-preferred. Might just be one of those DF myths.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 22:40, 6 December 2008 (EST)

::From the article: "Although the exact adjustment is unknown, preliminary testing indicates that they can boost effective skill (not quality) by one to three levels (if the craftdwarf likes the item type, subtype and material), and have thus greatest impact when the dwarf is still relatively unskilled." If this is true, then you can derive from the "Jump" column that gaining subsequent levels does not bring diminishing returns. [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 13:24, 7 December 2008 (EST)

:::Sorry, I'm totally confused about what you're trying to say here. Higher skill tends to produce higher-quality goods. A preference for the materials being used supposedly also produces higher-quality goods. What's your claim?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 22:47, 7 December 2008 (EST)

::::I'm trying to say that this bold part is false:
::::>Preferences for particular materials and objects make a considerable difference. Although the exact adjustment is unknown, preliminary testing indicates that they can boost effective skill (not quality) by one to three levels (if the craftdwarf likes the item type, subtype and material), and '''have thus greatest impact when the dwarf is still relatively unskilled'''. [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 23:53, 8 December 2008 (EST)

:::::Oh, okay. Well, you could just drop that part of the sentence. By some thinking, though, it may still be true: goods made by a competent artisan are 81% more valuable (on average) than those made by a dabbler, but goods made by a legend are only (5.8 / 4.8 =) 21% more valuable than those made by a master.
:::::I still think the "jump in value" column is still of very limited use. It shows a trend -- value peaks at each of the levels where a lower quality grade is no longer produced (Proficient, Accomplished, Legendary) -- but dwarves are gaining skill continuously, so it's more of a statistic than anything else. A more interesting statistic is that from dabbling to talented, item values triple; from there to Legendary, they only double. To put it more generally, skill increases produce large value increases at low levels, small increases at high levels.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 12:19, 9 December 2008 (EST)

::::::"To put it more generally, skill increases produce large value increases at low levels, small increases at high levels." No, they only produce larger ''percentage'' increases at low levels. I find the jump column useful to know when to stop leveling up my dwarves and start actually working on stuff. For example, Proficient and Accomplished are both good levels to start actually working. [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 13:03, 9 December 2008 (EST)

:::::::"Working on stuff" and "leveling up" generally happen simultaneously. I guess if you're doing an armorsmith or something and don't want to make crap steel items... but I say make 'em when you need 'em, train continuously otherwise.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 13:12, 9 December 2008 (EST)

::::::::Not in my experience. If I want to level up a mason, I make blocks for constructions. If I want to level up a carpenter, I make bins, barrels, and buckets. With glassmaking, you can make raw glass. Mechanics can start by using common stone and move on to economic stone. Etc. Often things that you "need" can be put off a bit. For example, it takes a while for immigrants to get sleepy... plenty of time to level your carpenter so he can make higher-quality beds. [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 13:31, 9 December 2008 (EST)

::::From a fortress perspective, the expected increase in value for a level up is much more important than a percent increase. When a preference makes a novice act like a competent, it's not as good as one that makes an expert act accomplished. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 14:06, 9 December 2008 (EST)

:: Just yesterday I noticed that one of my seven embarking dwarves preferred alder (wood) and beds, so I made him my carpenter/woodcutter and maxed his skill in carpentry at embark. In the first batch of eight beds I made, I only had one made of alder... but it came out at masterpiece quality. I ''could'' have gotten lucky and rolled a masterpiece bed (approx. 1 in 400 chance), but I suspect that preferences played a role. Since he preferred alder and beds, I let him have the room with the masterpiece in it. He was ecstatic right up until the werewolves ate him.--[[User:Jurph|Jurph]] 15:44, 11 December 2008 (EST)

:::Possibly. An unambiguous result would be if a dabbling dwarf who liked the materials/etc. made a specific-quality item. Though it's possible all skill modifiers are inactive for dabblers. The effect should still be most noticeable in a Novice, though... which is almost the exact assertion Gairabad removed from the article.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 19:13, 11 December 2008 (EST)

== Quality Probability Formulae ==

Could someone who understands that code tell us what it means? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 20:14, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Item quality

2009-03-15T20:14:30Z

Savok: /* Quality Probability Formulae */ new section

User talk:Bartavelle

2009-03-13T16:34:07Z

Savok: /* Item quality question III (IQQ III) */

== IRC question ==

No, I havn't yet looked at that stuff, sorry. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 20:59, 8 December 2007 (EST)

Ok, I did it

== Metal ID ==

You probably already know this, but I just noticed on your user page about metal IDs, just to let you know, this isn't a static list and is built from raws data, this list probably works for a default install, it'd be better to read out the metal data from memory (these 'Metal ID' are actually indexes into this list). --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 19:10, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Yup, it's either in the order of the metalgloss thing file, or you can read it into memory. I started writing the list until i realized how to do it.

== Item quality question ==

Hi, in the Item quality article it says:

>First, a skill level is computed, apparently directly related to the dabbling...legendary indicators. No skill or dabbling is 0, legendary is 15. It's capped at 20.

Let's say I had a Legendary+5 armorsmith with a preference for Steel. If I order him to make steel plate, will his effective skill be 20 or 21?

[[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 13:22, 7 December 2008 (EST)

:We don't know the answer, as we have not had Holy Writ handed down from On High. When I reverse-engineered the item quality calculations, there were some inputs that I could not determine the source of. It is quite possible that the maker's preferences play a role, but that is not known with certainty.
:Despite this, I strongly suspect that the skill cap is applied after all modifiers have been summed. So I think the answer is 20. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:37, 7 December 2008 (EST)

== Item quality question II ==

In [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Item_quality&diff=31678&oldid=30622 this] edit, you changed the wording of the formula. Does that mean that, if the first roll fails, the other rolls do not occur? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 12:20, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
* yes! [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 19:39, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== Item quality question III (IQQ III) ==

* If d5 < skill level, quality is bumped.
* If d10 < skill level, quality is bumped.
* If d15 < skill level, quality is bumped.
* If d20 < skill level, quality is bumped.
* If d25 < skill level and d3 == 1, quality is set to 5.
The result of a d5 roll is an integer 1-5 randomly picked, right? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 20:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

:It is 0-5, randomly choosen (and of course not all values are as likely to be rolled). [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 08:26, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

::Wait, what? Do you mean that 2 might be more or less likely than 8 for a d10? Or do you mean that +table+ might be more or less likely than *table*?
::And are you saying that the randomly chosen number is a real from 0-5, not an integer? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 16:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Bartavelle

2009-03-13T16:33:00Z

Savok:

User talk:Jaaz

2009-03-13T16:30:43Z

Savok: Created page with '{{subst:newbie}} --~~~~'

User talk:Savok

2009-03-13T14:14:53Z

Savok: /* Equals signs break things */

Hey, I'm new to this Wiki and on [[Talk:Rock Chute]] you mentioned that the article violates some rules referred to as just letters. Where are those rules? I'd like to make sure my articles are compliant. --[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 15:03, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

:[[DwarfFortressWiki:Community_Portal#We_are_doing_this.21_Let_us_do_it_right.|The Lettered Rules]] can be found at the top of the [[DwarfFortressWiki:Community_Portal|Community Portal]].
:If you think of a rule you'd like to add, feel free. It isn't complete. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:08, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

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ok so I read the notes you sent me on the dscussion pages, I only made those several edits... 
...because I did several previews and then clicked save "oops that didn't work", and re-saved the page (like this one :P ). Sorry for any inconveniance --[[User:Frostedfire|Frostedfire]] 23:02, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:That's just a generic message that I paste onto the user talk pages of new users who don't seem to have learned the unsaid conventions of this wiki yet. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:34, 6 November 2007 (EST)
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== Welcome template ==

I've tossed in a [[Template:Welcome|welcome template]] that I borrowed from elsewhere... you might find it useful for talk page welcomes (especially if things move). --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 13:22, 5 November 2007 (EST)

== G'Day ==

Thanks for the {{tl|welcome}}. If you don't want the text to change, use <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> instead of <nowiki>{{welcome}}</nowiki>.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 04:07, 7 February 2008 (EST)

:I... do. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 20:03, 7 February 2008 (EST)

== RE:N9103's page ==

Not really what I intended, since I took out all the interim stuff like descriptions. I intended for it to occupy minimal space on the page. On the other hand, I'm not sure if it'll work in that format or not, and was just going to test and see on my next install. Not worth undoing though. Thanks anyways, [[User:N9103|Edward]] 07:35, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

== Article requesting ==

Any idea how to request an article? I'm wondering why there's nothing about [insert small animal here] remains that I keep seeing in my refuse piles. Wondering if there's any use for them. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 20:59, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

:I'd probably ask about it in a ''new section'', which you forgot to do here, at the [[DwarfFortressWiki talk:Community Portal|Community Portal talk page]]. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:37, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

== {{k|v}} → {{k|p}} → {{k|z}} → {{k|Enter}} ==

{{Gametext|Vuntic has been happy lately. He has constructed a good image. He has mechanically processed new wiki dwarves recently. He has gotten a seven on the 2008 AIME. He has been unable to devote time to Dwarf Fortress.}}{{Gametext|Vuntic likes ice, clear glass, Dwarf Fortress, Taekwondo, computers, webcomics, and cats for their aloofness. When possible, he prefers to consume cold lemon-water, turkey stew, cabbage, and lemons. He absolutely detests all vermin, especially insects. He dislikes working outdoors but enjoys inclement weather. |#0f0}}
--[[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]]

:Ooh, nice. That's easier to use. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 00:14, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

== Unsectioned comments ==

Sorry Savok, I sent that to the wrong page! --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 09:04, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:No problem, we all were newbies once. Though, that post does remind me to add something: "If you put a comment at the bottom of a talk page with section headers, you've probably put it in a section. Don't put things in the wrong sections. If necessary, create a section." --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:12, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::Happy to help! --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 09:18, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

== Question about population ==

I couldn't find any other place to ask this so I'll ask here. 
What do you think is the best number of population to have as the maximum? At the moment I have it set at 150. Is that a good maximum to have? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:00, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

:You only need a maximum if you don't want to receive more dwarves. The most common reason for that is FPS. More dwarves lowers the speed at which the game runs. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:26, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

::Can I ask what limit you normally use? For example, are there any disadvantages of having a fort of 9999 dwarves? besides FPS? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 07:25, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

:::Yes, you may ask.
:::...alright, I know what you mean. I currently use a limit of 50 dwarves. More, and my FPS is too slow. It averages around 70 without laggy events (like traders) and 30 with. I may increase it to increase the number of items I can get to the trade depot before they leave.
:::Also, in the old version, 200 dwarves was laggy on the best of computers. I doubt going above a few hundred is possible. However, I can't think of any disadvantages, except for the impossibility of managing them all. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:13, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

::::Oh well I'm glad I'm not the only one who changes the default value. Right at the moment I'm using;
::::<code>[FPS_CAP:75]</code>
::::<code>[G_FPS_CAP:40]</code>
::::<code>[POPULATION_CAP:150]</code>
::::To be honest though, i've never even gotten past 125 thanks to my temper prone dwarves. I'll try and survive the next few goblin raids and tell you about my experiences. I only have about 15-20 pets at once, keep a few stockpiles... and probably the most important part, I play using an embark area of 2x2. That is fine for my purposes, as you can get plenty of materials in the region, and also buy from trade caravans. There are many advantages; More FPS, keeping all the dwarves close together in case of a raid... I'd consider playing with 2x2, or 3x3. Just to see how much FPS you retain. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 09:30, 9 June 2008 (EDT)
::::Also, I always start next to a river and a forest. Just in case I need either of those. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 09:32, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

:::::Seriously. Work on getting your formatting right. You've got guidelines on your user talk page.
:::::I use <code>[FPS_CAP:9999]</code>. While the game is running, I never get four digits, but while the game is at the right screens (for example, the {{k|z}} screen) I get around three thousand FPS, which looks neat.
:::::I haven't noticed any problems with <code>[G_FPS_CAP:20]</code> and it might speed me up a little.
:::::Aargh! *winces* It's "try to survive" I tell you, "try to survive"!
:::::I have ~60-70 animals (one, the anti-vermin CAT unit, is a pet), but most of them are war dogs, who are all in one cage at the moment.
:::::I use a 4x4 area, though I could go 3x3. 2x2 would be too small.
:::::I, too, always am next to a river, but I import all my wood. I don't use much and currently have ~350 surplus. I have always started in a desert for the glass. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:42, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

::::::Sorry about the formatting, I'm still a noob when it comes to wikis. I'd like to quote you for a minute; "I get around three thousand FPS". Please note that most computer monitors only support 50-100 FPS, and the human eye can only comprehend 60-70 FPS anyway. I'd recommend a cap, just to make loading that much faster. Heck, even a cap at around 150 would be better then nothing!
::::::I agree that 2x2 is a bit small, but there are several benifits. 3x3 is definately worth trying sometime. Don't forget, there are tons of Z levels as well, so it's not like a deathtrap. I also tend to start importing wood around about year 4/5, since the trees don't grow very quickly for my liking.
::::::At the moment, i've put the entire population into a military force of 88+, not for actual fighting, but to make sure they STAY UNDERGROUND, and not rush about on the surface collecting bodies like fools! Also, sorry for the grammar. We English can be so foolish sometimes when it comes to creating new and pointless phrases. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

:::::::We're talking about different frames here. FPS means "frames per second." Frames, as used virtually all of the time at these DF websites, are not the frames your monitor shows. They refer to how fast DF goes through one step. Therefore, I'm perfectly correct in saying that it takes less than 1/3000 of a second for DF to show me the {{k|z}} screen.
:::::::GFPS, however, refers to how often DF tells the monitor to update its image. I've got ''that'' maxed at 20.
:::::::You've got a cap of 75FPS, meaning that, no matter how tiny your map is, you won't get above 75 steps per second. The game is meant to run at 100FPS. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 13:22, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

::::::::The characters were moving a bit too fast for my eyes at 100FPS. I prefer to see exactly where each dwarf is going, and to try and avoid eye strain from all the flashing tiles etc. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 04:35, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

:::::::::I managed to get to 165 population, then I got raided by tons of goblins, about 15 people died, and now 15 people are going insane and smashing everything to bits... It's pure chaos in here, with people tantruming and running across the castle. Hopefully they calm down soon. Now only have 105 people due to the rioting. Second goblin wave, most of them killed by traps. (UPDATE#1) The insanity levels are now at an all time high, only 50 living dwarves left in my settlement now...
(UPDATE#2) Settlement abandoned in year 8 with about 40 dwarves... basically all my best dwarves died and I lost the will to carry on. Oh well, not too bad I suppose. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 09:30, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

== Castle Defense ==
Is there a way to make a one-way corridor? I want to make sure invaders can get in and activate the traps, but I don't want my dwarves to keep running outside. I also dont want to use a moat because that breaks the invader AI. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 04:35, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
: I just happened to look at this page, and noticed your question and thought I'd answer it, although it's been over a month since you asked: Yes: Set up a system where your dwarves will have to walk through through a long hall with no roof on their way out of the fort, before they even reach the traps or get close to the entrance/exit. When invaders arrive, turn on the "STAY THE HELL INSIDE" setting and your outside-longing dwarves will dance in that hall, far from danger, while the enemies commit suicide on the traps at your entrance. --[[User:SL|SL]] 00:57, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

::You beat me by 3 minutes, SL. Your solution is different, though. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 01:32, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

== Promotion ==

You are now a Sysop! You now have access to our secret underground rail network, the Harem and you also get 10% off at John Deere Inc. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 21:22, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

: Congrats! --[[User:Corc|Corc]] 23:35, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

== XKCD ==

Sign up on the xkcd DF thread. http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=19469&start=680

--[[User:Schmendreck|Schmendreck]] 09:05, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

== KoL ==

Just wondering... do you play Kingdom of Loathig by anychance? --[[User:Hoborobo]]

:I used to, but found it boring and time-consuming. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:49, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

::Is that why you mentioned a sabre toothed lime in the "New Creatures" page --[[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 14:55, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

:::Indeed, that is why. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 02:36, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

:::What a legend Savok, THX m8 [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 17:02, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

== Quotes ==

Your judgment is good. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 21:09, 21 November 2008 (EST)

== Indenting ==

Not all comments should have one indent more than the comment immediately above it; see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TP#Indentation this] for some thinking on that matter.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 15:33, 17 December 2008 (EST)

:Yeah, I agree. In some cases, though, it really helps separate posts by different people. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:27, 17 December 2008 (EST)

::That's what the sigs are for.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 23:49, 17 December 2008 (EST)

== Style sheets ==

What would you think of relocating the various stylesheets that have accumulated in inline style="..." tags in templates to a stylesheet like [[Mediawiki:Common.css]]? I could help maintain this - if that's done then each template would have a class="..." so people could change the styles for themselves in (not currently enabled, needs to be turned on in mediawiki configuration) User:[username]/monobook.css [[User:Random832|Random832]] 09:57, 31 December 2008 (EST)

:It sounds like it could work well, but I'm not confident enough in my CSS skills to do it myself. Ask [[User talk:Senso|Senso]]. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:14, 31 December 2008 (EST)

==Equals signs break things==

I've taken so much good code from this site I figure it's time I give something back. So: Use <nowiki>{{=}}</nowiki> instead of = and you won't break templates. Compare:

{| class="wikitable" border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" align="center"
! Code !! Result
|-
|| <pre>{{Colored Notice Box|#f00|2+2=5}}</pre> || {{Colored Notice Box|#f00|2+2=5}}
|-
|| <pre>{{Colored Notice Box|#f00|2+2{{=}}5}}</pre> || {{Colored Notice Box|#f00|2+2{{=}}5}}
|}

Credit goes to Badp. -- [[User:Juckto|juckto]] 09:11, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

:Okay! Thank you. I'm not quite sure, though, why you're telling me specifically. I do read the recent changes. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 14:14, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Swimmer

2009-03-13T01:25:43Z

Savok:

Can you or can a dwarf not swim to the surface the answer says both. Maybe it means in adventurer mode? – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Jikor|Jikor]]
: It was thought to be impossible, but then someone recorded a movie of a dwarf doing it, so...--[[User:SL|SL]] 20:38, 3 January 2008 (EST)

Are we sure that dwarves drown at the same rate with heavy or light equipment if they have swimming skill? Or is it just ones that have no skill?--[[User:SL|SL]] 20:38, 3 January 2008 (EST)
:I did the test for heavy vs. light, and I did not consider swimming ability. I just drowned two peasants, one in armour and one not. --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 05:49, 25 May 2008 (EDT)
::Just attempted to test it, but was unsuccesful as my two proficient swimmers climbed out of the pond I was trying to drown them in. So I added that to the article. --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 06:34, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

What are the exact requirements to build a drowning trap. I built a large outlook lake I could floor/empty. After luring some goblins into the area and filling it all to 7/7 the only goblin to drown was the one which stood directly under the area where the water entered from above. It seems that they will only drown if they are in 7/7 water and there is at least 1/7 water above them. Any confirmation/additions welcomed. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 16:49, 2 March 2008 (EST)
:If there is a roof above them they drown in 7/7 otherwise they can tread water, and keep their heads up to breath. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 18:28, 2 March 2008 (EST)
::I've been dropping some of my caged goblins into a pit designed at the edge of a river, and they have no roof above them but are drowning quite nicely. [[User:G-Flex|G-Flex]] 02:17, 25 May 2008 (EDT)
:::Perhaps that's because the goblins are in cages? Maybe an uncaged goblin would be able to swim... on a related note, would it be advisable to place a chain in a swimming pool, to teach prisoners swimming skills? [[User:SwallowedSpear|SwallowedSpear]] 13:53, 27 January 2009 (EST)

I've been working on a water-pulse defensive mechanism, using flowing water to push things around, mostly to see if I can. Been getting some help on the DF forums. I'm going to make a few preliminary tests using dwarves as test subjects. In theory this should be a *safe* way to train swimming, because I don't know if continuous pulses of water will do enough drowning damage to kill something. ---[[User:Kefkakrazy|Kefkakrazy]] 02:18, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

== Learn to swim ==

If someone can improve the design, make a clearer image, or write better instructions, please do so. I don't know if what I wrote makes complete sense (it does to me, but then I already *know* what I mean), but it's a start at least. -[[User:Groveller|Groveller]] 14:58, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

:How much swimming skill do they tend to gain from the setup?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 17:24, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

::I've not had much time to play with it since getting it working, but I think it'll be a fairly slow process. It could be sped up by widening the inlet channel, enlarging the reservoir and having less grates for drainage, but it also increases the risk of drowning. -[[User:Groveller|Groveller]] 06:11, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

== Dwarf Washing ==

Is there any actual way to wash blood splatters off a dwarf, in either adventure or fortress mode? Or is Grov's system just for fun? --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 21:52, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
:Captain Mayday might know. I remember reading in Nist Akath that that Captain Ironblod attempted to bathe, but the blood and vomit all over him wouldn't come off. I'm pretty sure this means it doesn't work. Might ask him what version he was using. --[[User:Xonara|Xonara]] 23:33, 24 January 2009 (EST)

== Surface definition ==

"Note that air-breathers will be unable to breathe two levels beneath the surface." What exactly is the surface? The empty space above the water or the topmost level of water? – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Xonara|Xonara]]
: I think it actually means that air-breathers can't breathe in water deeper than 5/7, although I'll admit I could be wrong. -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 09:21, 3 November 2008 (EST)

::Maybe it means that you can't breathe in the bottom layer of a 2-layer reservoir? But that's kinda obvious, since it's always 7/7.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 13:16, 3 November 2008 (EST)

== The Underwater Nom ==

Placing a military dwarf previously ordered to carry two rations and a waterskin in a flooding chamber to teach him to swim, I discovered that dwarves are quite content to eat and drink while swimming, causing the floor of the chamber to be littered with turtle bones and shells from his pack. Is this the usual behavior, or was my dwarf just confused? --[[User:LucienSadi|LucienSadi]] 20:40, 11 December 2008 (EST)
:I seriously doubt Toady could have foreseen that kind of situation, and probably ignored it. Besides, as long as he's not drowning, I don't see any reason he shouldn't eat. I certainly wouldn't let myself starve just because I was in chest deep water :P --[[User:Xonara|Xonara]] 00:47, 25 January 2009 (EST)

== A couple observations ==

Swimmers won't path through water even if they're a legendary swimmer. Though, perhaps they should, currently water completely restricts work in the area. Also, dwarves can swim between z-levels. Non-novice swimmers, at least. --[[User:Xonara|Xonara]] 00:40, 25 January 2009 (EST)

== Saving drowning dwarves ==

how do you do it? what, exactly, do you need to do? i've pretty-much always written 'em off if they've fallen into a river/lake/pond/etc, but i read (in the article) that dwarves would swim to a ramp or such. i've never seen it before, so i didnt think it was possible (hence, the 'swimmer' skill on the embark page always confused me). i've never even seen a dwarf move if they're in water :/ so, what do i need to do to save them? --[[User:DJ Devil|DJ Devil]] 21:17, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

:Dwarves do not fall into rivers/lakes/ponds/etc except when they are pushed/are pulled/have the floor drop out from under them. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 01:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

User talk:DeadlyLintRoller

2009-03-12T21:15:12Z

Savok: Created page with '{{subst:newbie}} Hi! --~~~~'

File talk:Lard.jpg

2009-03-12T00:10:51Z

Savok: Created page with '...wut? --~~~~'

...wut? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 00:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Template:Newbie

2009-03-11T21:54:44Z

Savok: *fixes bug caused by new wiki version*

User talk:Sproingie

2009-03-11T21:54:00Z

Savok: Created page with '{{subst:newbie}}--~~~~'

User talk:Bartavelle

2009-03-11T20:56:56Z

Savok: /* Item quality question II */

40d:Item quality

2009-03-11T20:40:57Z

Savok: /* Skill and quality levels */ clearer?

All items in the game have a [[item value|base value]], which is multiplied by what [[material value|material]] the item is made of and by the item's '''quality'''. [[Decoration]]s (such as bone, gems, and studding) further increase the value.

Item quality can have an effect on an item's properties, especially [[armor]] and [[weapons]].

__TOC__
== Quality grades ==

All crafted items ([[furniture]], [[armor]], [[bolts]], etc.) – but not intermediate materials ([[bars]], [[blocks]], etc. except [[cloth]], which does have quality levels) – are bracketed by characters that show the quality of their craftsdwarfship. Dyeing also has a quality level, as does Decorating/Encrusting (with gems, leathers, cloth, etc). Prepared foods have quality levels. Alcohol has a hidden quality rating that controls the amount of happiness a dwarf gets from drinking it. It is not yet known whether the damage or destruction of masterful alcohol can cause tantrums.

{|
! style="padding-right: 35px;" | '''Designation''' || style="text-align: left;" | '''Description''' || style="padding-right: 20px; padding-left: 15px; text-align: center;" | '''Value Modifier''' || style="text-align: center;" | ''' Damage / To-Hit / Armor Modifier'''
|-
|  Item Name || style="text-align: center;" | —     || style="text-align: center;" | ×1  || style="text-align: center;" | ×1.0 
|-
| -Item Name- || Well-crafted || style="text-align: center;" | ×2  || style="text-align: center;" | ×1.2 
|-
| +Item Name+ || Finely-crafted || style="text-align: center;" | ×3  || style="text-align: center;" | ×1.4 
|-
| *Item Name* || Superior quality || style="text-align: center;" | ×4  || style="text-align: center;" | ×1.6 
|-
| ≡Item Name≡ || Exceptional || style="text-align: center;" | ×5  || style="text-align: center;" | ×1.8 
|-
| ☼Item Name☼ || Masterful || style="text-align: center;" | ×12  || style="text-align: center;" | ×2.0 
|-
| ''Unique name'' || Artifact || style="text-align: center;" | ×120  || style="text-align: center;" | ×2.0 
|}

When a masterful quality item is created, the game will announce, "<dwarf> has created a masterpiece!" The destruction or theft of such a masterpiece will cause the dwarf that created it an unhappy thought. [[Trading]] a masterpiece item to merchants is always safe. Masterpiece meals can be eaten safely, although allowing the food to rot will provoke the same response as theft or destruction. Using masterpiece bolts will not cause a tantrum, even if the bolts break. However, if a kobold or wild animal steals a used masterpiece bolt which was lying around, then the maker's mood will decrease. If a bolt misses its target and falls into the [[chasm]] or is melted by "the impertinent [[magma]]", this also counts as defacement.

The magnitude of the unhappy thought is equal to 1000 divided by the number of masterworks the dwarf has created{{verify}}. So a engraver with hundreds of masterwork images on the walls of the fortress will be merely irked by the destruction of a one, while a a dwarf who has only made a single masterwork item would become deeply upset.

Since legendary dwarves are most likely to be the ones creating masterpieces, keeping these creations safe should be high priority; tantruming legendary dwarves can be very difficult to subdue.

[[Artifact]] items have a unique name instead of bracketing symbols and are worth 120x base value. Artifacts, like masterpiece items, will cause a significant mood drop in the creator when destroyed or stolen. According to inspections of the memory values, it seems that artifacts have the same quality value as masterpiece items, with presumably the same armor/weapon modifiers (×2.0){{verify}}.

== Skill and quality levels ==

Tradesdwarves of different [[skill]] levels will produce items of differing quality. "Dabbling" dwarves never (without applicable preference) produce anything above a basic quality item, [[legendary]] dwarves usually produce Exceptional items, and the best legendary dwarves produce Masterful items approximately 27% of the time.

Preferences for particular materials and objects make a considerable difference. Although the exact adjustment is unknown, preliminary testing indicates that they can boost effective skill (not quality) by one to three levels (if the craftdwarf likes the item type, subtype and material).

{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" valign="bottom"
|-
!Chance for !!No quality!!Well-crafted!!Finely-crafted!!Superior quality!!Exceptional!!Masterful!!Average [[Value]] Multiplier!!Jump in Average Value
|-
|Dabbling || 100% || || || || || ||1.0 ||
|-
|Novice || 80% || 18% || 1.9% ||0.13% ||0.007% ||0.00009% ||1.2226 ||0.2226
|-
|No label || 60% || 32% || 6.9% || 1.0% || 0.1% ||0.003% ||1.4924 ||0.2698
|-
|Competent || 40% || 42% || 14% || 3.1% || 0.5% ||0.02% ||1.8114 ||0.319
|-
|Skilled || 20% || 48% || 24% || 6.8% || 1.6% ||0.09% ||2.2428 ||0.4314
|-
|Proficient || || 50% || 33% || 12% || 4.0% ||0.28% ||2.7036 ||0.4608
|-
|Talented || || 40% || 36% || 17% || 6.6% ||0.58% ||2.9596 ||0.256
|-
|Adept || || 30% || 37% || 21% || 10% || 1.1% ||3.182 ||0.2224
|-
|Expert || || 20% || 37% || 26% || 15% || 1.8% ||3.516 ||0.334
|-
|Professional|| || 10% || 36% || 30% || 21% || 2.9% ||3.878 ||0.362
|-
|Accomplished|| || || 33% || 33% || 29% || 4.4% ||4.288 ||0.41
|-
|Great || || || 27% || 33% || 34% || 5.9% ||4.538 ||0.25
|-
|Master || || || 20% || 32% || 40% || 7.7% ||4.804 ||0.266
|-
|High Master || || || 13% || 31% || 46% || 9.8% ||5.106 ||0.302
|-
|Grand Master|| || || 6.7% || 28% || 53% || 12% ||5.411 ||0.305
|-
|Legendary || || || || 25% || 60% || 15% ||5.8 ||0.389
|-
|Legendary+1 || || || || 20% || 63% || 17% ||5.995 ||0.195
|-
|Legendary+2 || || || || 15% || 66% || 19% ||6.199 ||0.204
|-
|Legendary+3 || || || || 10% || 68% || 22% ||6.412 ||0.213
|-
|Legendary+4 || || || || 5% || 71% || 24% ||6.635 ||0.223
|-
|Legendary+5 || || || || || 73% || 27% ||6.89 ||0.232
|}

The above table is based on the formula discovered by [[User:Bartavelle]]:

First, a skill level is computed, apparently directly related to the dabbling...legendary indicators. No skill or dabbling is 0, legendary is 15. It's capped at 20.

Item quality is set to 0.

Then dice are rolled. If a roll fails, no further rolls are made.

* If d5 < skill level, quality is bumped.
* If d10 < skill level, quality is bumped.
* If d15 < skill level, quality is bumped.
* If d20 < skill level, quality is bumped.
* If d25 < skill level and d3 == 1, quality is set to 5.

This gives the 6 quality levels (0 to 5).

According to inspections of the memory values, it seems that artifacts have a quality of 5.

== Effect of quality on weapon skill {{ver|0.23.130.23a}} ==

To quote Toady:
<div style="width: 50em; padding: 0.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; border: 1px solid #ccc; background: #eee;">
The quality of any weapon, including crossbows used as launchers, affects the skill of the shooter. I think this even leads to obscene things like master crossbows + master bolts causing recruits to shoot like legends. In general, if the quality Q is from 0 to 5, the skill is modified according to

Skillnew = Skilloriginal × (1.0 + 0.2 × Q) + Q

This is pretty extreme and will probably be reduced for all weapons.
</div>

while equipped with a single masterpiece weapon, dwarves have skill increase to Accomplished, not Legendary. Still, the bonus is way too high. See this chart for the exact levels:

Note: This chart is out of date/wrong due to the facts that the integer that represents a specific skill level is not known, how the formula rounds is not known, and the fact that higher legendaries exist is known.

{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" valign="bottom"
|-
!Result for !!Well-crafted!!Finely-crafted!!Superior quality!!Exceptional!!Masterful
|-
|Dabbling ||No label ||Skilled ||Talented ||Expert ||Accomplished
|-
|Novice ||Competent ||Proficient ||Expert ||Accomplished||Master
|-
|No label ||Skilled ||Adept ||Professional ||Master ||Grand Master
|-
|Competent ||Talented ||Expert ||Great ||High Master||Legendary
|-
|Skilled ||Adept ||Accomplished ||Master ||Legendary ||Legendary
|-
|Proficient ||Expert ||Great ||Grand Master ||Legendary ||Legendary
|-
|Talented ||Professional||Master ||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary
|-
|Adept ||Accomplished||Grand Master ||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary
|-
|Expert ||Master ||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary
|-
|Professional||High Master ||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary
|-
|Accomplished||Grand Master||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary
|-
|Great and better||Legendary||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary
|}

If this is true, then it would be possible to:

# Train a couple dozen skilled miners
# Give them exceptional picks
# Draft them and give them decent armor
# Kill a goblin siege with a couple dozen legendary speardwarves (picks = 70% damage spears) as long as there are no enemy champions to destroy your armour/shield/wrestling inept speardwarves

[[Category:Items|*Quality]]

Talk:Main Page/archive2

2009-03-11T05:34:53Z

Savok:

== New Tutorials - How to list? ==

How and where do we list new tutorials? It's quite lost on me. :(
I would sign, but I don't know how... TinyPirate

== The "Bedroom Design" page is broken ==

When trying to load the page I get this error:

Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/virtual/site152/fst/var/www/html/dwarf/includes/Parser.php on line 2717

It's been this way for a couple days at least. The rest of the wiki works fine. – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Phillstac3|Phillstac3]]

:The culprit was too much QD, which caused the page to load too slowly. The wiki gave up when it didnt load fast enough. I have the culprit for now, but I have idea for a more permanent solution. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 08:28, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

== "new version" ==

ShunterAlhena changed "new version" to "new (3D) version" to "3D version". I changed this to "Z-axis version", to reduce newbie confusion (thinking there's a fully-3D graphical version could be disappointing) but now I'm starting to wonder if maybe "new version" would be best after all. As far as I can tell, "new version" doesn't just mean all of the versions since the October 2007 release, but rather the ''latest'' version. 
That said, that's what I'll tweak it to. --[[User:JT|JT]] 19:47, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

:IMO if the phrase "new version" is being used to refer to the "Z-axis version" of the game, then it isn't really clear enough. With Toady's regular updates, talking just about "new versions" is a little too ambiguous. How about the phrases "multi-level version" or "multi-floor version"? Either of those would be clearer I think. "Z-axis version" is also good for me. (This is my first suggestion/edit on a Wiki, so I hope it turns out ok!) --[[User:Saiph|Saiph]] 07:59, 28 November 2008 (EST)

:: You're correct about it being ambiguous. Your suggestion is ok (and welcome to the Wiki! :-)), but I don't think the notice box is still needed. Its purpose was to keep people from just copying over old material from the archived wiki to fill gaps in this one, but that's not really a danger anymore, so I just removed it and moved the release date down to the download link. — [[User:Alya|Alya]] 10:40, 28 November 2008 (EST)

== Offline Version? ==

Is there an offline version of DwarfFortressWiki (ala [http://static.wikipedia.org/ Wikipedia])? I'm going to be doing some traveling, and would like to use this resource when I don't have internet access :) --[[User:Sim9]], unsigned

:I know that obtaining one is possible. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:31, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

:I was told that a torrent was circulating on 4chan and other places but I don't know anything else about it. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 12:46, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
:Go to [[Special:Export]] then go to [[Special:Allpages]] in another window/tab. Make a copy of every article's name. Paste it into the export page and click export. Now its just a matter of finding a way to parse the xml file you get.

:I now have an offline copy. I can post it if anyone is interested in a copy :) --[[User:Sim9|Sim9]] 22:57, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

:: Just found this: [http://www.wikitaxi.org/delphi/doku.php/products/wikitaxi/index WikiTaxi]. It took me a while to find a suitable program for viewing Wiki XML dumps, so I thought I'd save some others the time. By 'suitable', I mean easy to use and without requiring a lot of extras before it will work (most I found require you to set up a server with a MySQL database and apache - I already meet those requirements on my desktop, but that almost defeats the purpose of downloading the wiki in the first place). This one however is completely portable - I can have it on external storage and use it on any computer I find myself needing to. --[[User:Tyranic-Moron|Tyranic-Moron]] 13:57, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

== Coincidence? ==

I got a quote that said: 
"You have been processed! Go forth, now, and edit!" 
--Savok 
right after creating this account... Is this a coincidence or a command? 
--[[User:Peewee|Peewee]] 20:02, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

:Coincidence. That's the end of a newbie-welcoming template that someone found funny enough to put in the [[Main Page/Quote|Quote list]], which delivers randomized quotes to the main page. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:49, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

::Both coincidence AND command. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:41, 1 June 2008 (EDT)
:::I, personally, think that it is hilarious.--[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 16:41, 23 February 2009 (EST)
== Russian Interwiki ==

I've made a deal with the admin of the Russian wiki, we can both link to each other. So if you know Russian, you're welcome to add links to the bottom of pages to their equivalent Russian pages.
For example, on the [[Carp]] page, I have added [[ru:Карп]] - so there is now a link to its Russian counterpart in the left-side navigation bar, under the "In other languages" header. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 13:37, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

:Looks like the other wiki may be down/broken. I don't have a suggested action though. -- [[User:Vaevictus|Vaevictus]] 13:33, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::I have made new russian wiki. URL: http://www.dfwk.ru. I do translation now. -- [[User:igoreklim|igoreklim]] 22:15, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

== Many Laughs ==

Congrats to whomever made the april's fool's day changes. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 04:34, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

:Agreed. I didn't think of doing anything myself so kudos for going in. Nobody changes it for the whole day, I'll revert any reverts. :) --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 08:56, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

== Navigation on bottom ==

Since recently (2 or 3 days) the navigation and search box are at the very bottom of every page (opera user). Can someone please fix this? --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 07:38, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

:It's at the bottom of the page for me too, and I'm using Firefox. [[User:Klada|Klada]] 11:43, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

::Confirm this is happening for me as well, Firefox 2.0.0.12 ubuntu 7.04. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 14:56, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

:::For what it's worth, ditto, and FF 2.0.0.12 Windows XP Home Edition Version 2002 Service Pack 2. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:07, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

::::Hah! Sorry, meant Senso. XD Good to have another confirmation regardless. Anyway, I went ahead and emailed him. It's weird how it just cropped up all of a sudden, hopefully something easily fixed. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 02:00, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

:It should be back to normal now, sorry for that. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 11:54, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

::No worries, looks good here. Thanks! --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 17:54, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
::: *[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] jumps up and rejoices*
:::: "[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] was pleased to have a mandate deadline met lately."? --[[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 06:13, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

== "American" English or Rest-Of-The-World English? ==

Just a minor question, while spell-checking articles, I've encountered a few discrepancies between the two, but I usually see the "rest of the world English" more. So what's the official rule here, assuming we're going for a constant? --[[User:Snoob|Snoob]] 08:40, 7 March 2008 (EST)

:Haha. You don't sound biased at all ;). I figure we can go one of two routes. We can either claim that DF is an american topic, since it's being made in america by an american and the wiki is on an american domain—or we can say DF is an international topic since people from all over are funding Toady. If it's an international topic, we might as well follow the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English wikipedia manual of style]. Wikipedia has no preference over the variant used, but there should be consistency in each article. The first user who makes an edit which disambiguates the variety being used in the article is considered the first major contributor and all subsequent edits to that article should use the same type of english. If in doubt, we have history pages. I think the reason you see british english more often in the wiki is because we've had a few editors who in their extreme modesty decided british english is superior and changed several of the american english articles over. I've noticed this happening on a few occasions. (please dont do that). [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:53, 7 March 2008 (EST)

::I second sticking with the Wikipedia's Manual of Style for language. And as a note, there isn't a "Rest of the World English." In fact, the language is documented to vary [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_accents_of_English_speakers|as much as the countries that speak it].
::So, how does the Namibian English variant sound to everyone? At least then most of us are at an equal starting point! :P --[[User:TarrVetus|TarrVetus]] 11:25, 7 March 2008 (EST)

:::I made a pretty bad assumption there, I suppose. I was trying to not sound biased, but I suppose I accidentally let it creep in somewhere. I'll just leave the variations to you guys and stick to cleaning up actual typos then. :P --[[User:Snoob|Snoob]] 11:37, 7 March 2008 (EST)

::::Hehe. I can sympathize, Snoob. I've had this debate with myself in the past, though it was from the other side. --[[User:TarrVetus|TarrVetus]] 13:17, 7 March 2008 (EST)

:::::This is a late reply, but I am an American in China. Here, English is classified either as American English or British English, and American English is widely preferred even though British English is taught to beginning students. I wouldn't say calling it "rest-of-the-world English" is very accurate. I would venture that many countries in Latin America also prefer American English, but what do it know.--[[User:RustyMcloon|Rusty Mcloon]] 01:16, 17 May 2008 (EDT)
::::::Don't you mean, "but what do we know"? --[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 20:09, 21 February 2009 (EST)

== Version updates ==

There's a new version out today, so the version number and release date need changing. Unfortunately I have absolutely no idea how to do this as they appear to use some kind of function instead of being typed in. Somebody with the know-how fancy making the change? --[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 10:04, 24 February 2008 (EST)
:[[Template:current/version]]
:[[Template:current/lastupdate]]
:[[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:15, 24 February 2008 (EST)

== Quote randomization ==

VengefulDonut, if you want to randomize that for improved quality, you'll need to do it right: Many (most?) of the quotes in the quote archive are in an ARCHIVE: They are bad quotes never intended to be reused. Also, what do we do when we get new quotes? Do they get put in a database, not to be used till the RNG chooses? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 20:11, 7 February 2008 (EST)

:What would you like? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:36, 7 February 2008 (EST)

::I suggest that one quote is permanant, and the other quote refresh everytime we visit the page. So far, I noticed that even if I refresh the page, the same quotes stay. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 05:49, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::A new quote on the left, and a randomized archive quote on the right? As for the refesh: the template checks the time. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:35, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::What is the tick? Every few minutes? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 08:14, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::The template checks the time, but the time doesn't update because the server caches the page. It gets a new one whenever the server refreshes it; you can force this by editing the page or by clicking the preview button. Also, I could make it so that one of the quote boxes picks from the newest x quotes. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:43, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::Having a newer quote on the left and an archived one on the right sounds better than a permanent quote on either. PS. Might want to remove a few of them, like the 'palisade' quote. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 11:47, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::::The goal of the quote archive was to archive every single quote which ever got to the main page. If you want to thin out only the best quotes, I suggest you use a separate database for that. Even then, how "good" is a quote is very open to interpretation and taste. If I had to remove all the quotes I find bad or unfunny myself, I'd probably remove 80% of the present quotes in the archive. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:46, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::::Ok. The right quotebox now chooses from the last 10 quotes instead of from among all of them. If anyone feels like they want to prune out or fiddle with quotes, go for it. I think what I've set up should be pretty straightforward, but if you have questions I'll be glad to answer them. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:11, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::I added two new quotes (40, and 41), but only 40 is showing up at the moment, am I doing something wrong? --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 10:10, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

::::You did it exactly right. The left quote box randomly chooses between all quotes. The right quote box randomly chooses between the 10 newest. It will come up eventually. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:17, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

:::If possible can we implement a check to insure that the left quote and the right quote are not in fact the same quote? I suppose it wouldn't be a big deal with a small quote, however when it is large, such as the 7 line one I ran into today appearing in both boxes, it makes the page seem a bit crowded and symmetrical. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 14:51, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

::::We could do that, but the probability of identical quotes is 1⁄totalquotenumber, so I don't think it's really needed. --[[User:Savok|Savok]]

:::::And yet it still manages to happen. like at the time of this edit. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 12:30, 19 January 2009 (EST)

== Requesting installation of ParserFunctions extension ==

It would be nice if the ParserFunctions[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions] extension was installed (#if, #expr, etc). It would be useful for having templates that exclude parts of it if no values are provided. Note: I cannot find a place for requesting extensions --[[User:Aygar|Aygar]] 13:00, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:ParserFunctions has been '''installed'''. I did a quick test and it works. Let me know if you run into problems. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 11:54, 22 January 2008 (EST)

== Translation ==

I've got requests for either having a German wiki or Namespace. I'd like to have everybody's opinion on this. If you people think that having German (and maybe other languages eventually) translations on the main wiki is going to be annoying, tell me. I can also setup a new wiki on a subdomain (de.dwarffortresswiki.net for example). How would it be best organized? Should I use [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Languages LanguageTemplates]? Is there a need for other additional languages? --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 09:31, 17 January 2008 (EST)

:Since Dwarf Fortress is only available in English, if you can play the game, you can also read the wiki. I really don't think a German (or any other language) wiki version is worth the effort.--[[User:Siliziumleben|Siliziumleben]] 14:22, 18 January 2008 (EST)

::My oppinion also. This doesn't mean we should stop those enthusiam people though. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 13:06, 17 January 2008 (EST)

::There's a big difference between understanding a game interface and reading long and complex tutorials, descriptions, discussions etc. I know French people who play this game; they can understand the UI but they use the French wiki for reference. Also, if I decide to use a separate wiki/subdomain, this will be totally transparent to you. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 16:40, 17 January 2008 (EST)

:::My first language, the one I used since I'm born, is French. Yet, I way prefer this wiki over the french one. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 10:06, 18 January 2008 (EST)

::::I'm French too, you know. But when I offered to host a DF wiki, I didn't do it in French because I know English is widely used. But I'm still glad that someone else started a French wiki. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 22:58, 20 January 2008 (EST)

:::::I don't see what harm could come from hosting a German, Japanese, and Russian wiki. It's not like it will interfere with the English one. Also, as a student of languages, I would love to read equivalent articles in German and Japanese. --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 22:01, 17 February 2008 (EST)

::::::I am german and while I can read english books like german ones, I have to agree that being able to use a UI and understanding the finer points in a tutorial etc. are two quite different things. I guess that if the bandwidth of the wiki is no burden on anyone, it could actually lead to an influx of new ideas and players, which is very important for a "community" game like DF. --[[User:Caiburn|Caiburn]] 20:44, 18 February 2008 (CET+1)

Hello everyone! 
I'm from Austria speaking and reading English very well, why should we not translate this wiki? If we are enough fellows we could do a good job. So give us a chance ;)– [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Geri|Geri]]

----

Like [[User:Eagle of Fire|EoF]] implied, a translated wiki is simply not nearly as up to date as the main one. If it was, we would have to rely on an active community of those fluent in English and the language of the translated wiki to keep the wikis coordinated. For this reason, I do not believe that we can successfully create a DFwiki in a different language with the resources that we have at the moment. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:21, 11 December 2008 (EST)

== Version of MediaWiki? ==

Sorry if this is completely the wrong place, but does anybody know which version of MediaWiki these pages uses?
Maybe that information could be included in the page About DwarfFortressWiki? --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 17:00, 17 December 2007 (EST)

:I think I found out. This page: [[Special:Version]] says the version is 1.10.1, which should mean that limited #for-loops are supported. I will delete these comments soonishly, but will let them stay for a while incase someone has comments --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 17:28, 17 December 2007 (EST)

== Combat Logs? ==

What about a section where people could post cool combat logs from adventurer mode. This would different from the "Stories" section, which is more prose. (This is 'cause I'd like to post the log of a battle I had with a particularly clumsy Giant, who slammed into a wall allowing me to stab him in the back of the head for the eventual win. Its no dragon-slaying tale, but I still think its good.) --[[User:Wahnsinniger|Wahnsinniger]] 11:59, 2 December 2007 (EST)

== Humor? / Link to quote archive? ==

Any thoughts about possibly linking [[Main Page/Quote Archive]] page somewhere on the main page? Its an orphan at the moment and is pretty funny and relevant. [[User:Vanan|Vanan]] 15:19, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I'd like to be able to see that happen. New people coming here might get overwhelmed if we don't amuse them with some good humor here and there.--[[User:AlBorland|AlBorland]] 13:42, 20 November 2007 (EST)

:I second that. This second is adorned with hanging rings of Goshenite and menaces with spikes of Goshenite. - [[User:Laugurinn|Laugurinn]] 22:57, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Where does one stick new funny quotes? Namely, this:
 ""Thikut Atheludib, Marksdwarf cancels shooting at Archery Range: Interrupted by Groundhog pup" - What brave soldiers I have" [[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 18:45, 10 December 2007 (EST)
:That's not exactly funny, but [[Main_Page/Quote]]. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 00:43, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Just for the record, does anybody mind if I put a link to the [[Main Page/Quote Archive]] page on the front page? [[User:Shabang50|Shabang50]] 12:58, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

:I say go for it. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 22:27, 12 January 2009 (EST)

== Demystify messages? ==

Probably against the spirit of 'losing is fun', but how about a page that explains smoe of the more cryptic messages, such as; 'job item misplaced' and 'job item lost or destroyed'? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:43, 8 November 2007 (EST)

Also, is there a suggestions pages? This probably isn't the best page to add ideas... [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:44, 8 November 2007 (EST)

== Importing old entries ==

What's the stance on importing entries from the old wiki for stuff like general item stats? Most of them are still correct (or nearly so) and it would be nice not to have to switch between this and the old wiki any more. I can add a disclaimer to them stating I pulled them from the archives if that's appropriate. --[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 15:07, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
:IMO (and I'm not admin or anything) it should be ok but only if you are 100% sure EVERYTHING is correct, and have verified it personally. I've edited at least one article someone copy-pasted with no changes that had old info in it so far and it makes me sad. --[[User:BurnedToast|BurnedToast]] 15:38, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
::Yes, I second this. Please be diligent if you are going to import old information. Even if you can't do it yourself, at least categorize it as needing verification so someone with the free time can. --[[User:EighenIndemnis|EighenIndemnis]] 15:37, 6 November 2007 (EST)
:You could use [[Template:Verify]] to indicate that something needs confirmation in the new version. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:47, 6 November 2007 (EST)

I have noticed an increase of pages in which only an old Wiki page is copied/pasted along with a warning that it was copied and thus may not be accurate. Is it just me or that's ''exactly'' what we didn't want to happen, and one of the reasons we started fresh with the new Wiki to begin with? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 01:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

== Basic Format ==

I think the [[Farming]] page is a good format for most of the key pages, perhaps the structure from the archive should be followed. --[[User:Infinity|Infinity]] 05:56, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:Agreed, I've tried to copy this style on several pages, e.g. [[Gear Assembly]]. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 23:30, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

I would like to add a request for a 'build tree' of sorts. It would, for example, make figuring out how to get iron bars a whole lot less frustrating. --[[User:Dogcow|Dogcow]] 17:18, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:Hello, I've added a whole page on the various metals you can make now. This is my first time editing a wiki so feel free to make corrections for me if you want, just leave me a message on the page letting me know where I went wrong. Also, since some Alloys involve smelting 3 bars of metal now, I have included a new template called Alloy3 to display these. I'm not sure on the colors though so have at it where I'm off :) --[[User:Chthon|Chthon]] 11:33, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

:Would like to second the build-tree suggestion. New player here, and I use the wiki to reference items I require but do not know how to build. I may be a bit slow, but it took me half a year to figure out I needed a Weaponsmith to make new Iron Picks. The wiki page only mentions the Metalsmith's Forge, and it never occurred to me that Weaponsmiths use the same workshop, since a pick is physically both wood and iron. Having a description that says exactly what is needed to create an item would be very useful for new players. --[[User:T.D.|tuxdelux]] 15:15, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

::A pick is actually all iron, at the moment, no wood to it. I expect that Toady will eventually get to redoing that whole system, but I doubt that he'll touch it until then. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:21, 11 December 2008 (EST)

== Change guide? ==

Was just thinking, perhaps one of the links (or sections) on the main page should be a guide to the major changes between last version and this one. Yes, a TON of stuff has changed, but a lot also has not, and a lot of the core concepts are the same... so I would imagine many of us who have played the previous version(s) would love a section where we can see a list of new basics we have to learn, along with links to those things' individual pages... like, z-axis (obviously), mechanisms, fluid dynamics, nobles, elevation/slope, farming... you get the idea. --[[User:Cliffjeff|Cliffjeff]] 11:43, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

:Yea, I'm thinking not. Isn't the whole point of DF finding things out on your own? "Losing is Fun" and all that. Ok, so if we summarized all the changes, and someone (like me) didn't want to know we could not just not look at it right? What can I say? I'M WEAK! If we summarize the changes I will CONSUME it! (I'm only here because I still have another 6 hours of work before I can go home and try it!)

::Meanwhile, I'm lazy and stubborn and would love a consolidated list of only new things I need to know =p and I'm also trapped at work and unable to mess around in the game :( but if the whole point was finding out things on your own, why would we have a wiki? ;p --[[User:Cliffjeff|Cliffjeff]] 15:58, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

:::I agree, I think the change guide is a good idea, and it would also help us direct our attention at the articles that are likely to need the most work. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:01, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

::::It ought not to be very hard to generate a basic change guide based on the official change notes, and then update it as the details are discovered. --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 16:26, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

:::A change guide 'page' might be useful pointing out major differences but I think the style of the wiki should be aimed at new users who know nothing of previous versions. I think we should not compare old/vs new as a rule, but if necessary we should include comparisons at the bottom of a page as apposed to the main article. That is how I am writing my edits. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 23:26, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::The thing is, the whole idea of the wiki kind of goes against 'finding things out on your own'. If you want to be completely surprised by a game, don't read a wiki specifically intended to reveal all the details about it... sure, we do put warnings on the most spoily stuff, but at the end of the day this is a Wiki intended to document everything about Dwarf Fortress, so just about every page is going to be a spoiler to some degree. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] 03:12, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

:To add my take on this subject... I think that this is a gigantic game, in some ways more complex then any of the Elder Scrolls game. I mean, in the ES games, you have weapons, armor and others... In this game you have an exceptionally large number of items of many different types and purposes... It's very difficult for newbies to fathom exactly what an item is used for. Without this Wiki, I think a lot of people would struggle with this game. [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:59, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

:Although this is a bit late, Toady does summarize version changes in a text file in the game's main folder. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:21, 11 December 2008 (EST)

== Possible bugs ==

Hi, this is my first time writing to any wiki.

I am writing about possible bugs. I have seen, that some sections of this wiki contain information about bugs. I think I have found one, but don't where to put it, or whether it is already here. I am also sorry, if this isn't the right place. If so, please delete this entry.

Anyway, if your furniture stockpile isn't big enough, and you try to put furniture into a specific room,it is sometimes possible, that that furniture won't be put. Instead, it will be blinking forever. You can change it functioning (make bedroom, throne room...) but to be honest, I don't know if this item is actually there, or not.

== alternate site???? ==

there appears to be a very similar site at
http://dwarf.lendemaindeveille.com/index.php/Immigration
(not just that adress)
what is the diffrence???

That's the address which was originally used for the site, before Senso registered a separate domain for it (dwarffortresswiki.net). Both domains are valid and point to the same content, so they're interchangeable. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 20:59, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

== Shutting down the archive ==

In about two weeks, I will shutdown the read-only archive (http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net) as I believe we've been using the current versions long enough. I'm also looking at ways to reduce the server load, disk space used and bandwidth consumed. So there. If articles were not ported to the current wiki, please do ASAP. If you have objections, please speak now. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 12:33, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

:Regarding outright deletion: I'd prefer you didn't. Is there at least a way to preseve it in some downloadable format? The old version of the game was interesting in its intrinsic danger, and besides that, I have a succession game using that version. I think a downloadble, locally-running copy would be a good idea.--[[User:Dadamh|Dadamh]] 13:19, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

::Mediawiki allows for database dumps to be made. Any chance you could do this? I am interested in this content. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki - you'd just follow the procedures for an xml dump and make the resulting files available for a limited time. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 17:14, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

== PSA ==

While the intention is great, the main page isn't the place to post it.
It should be added to the editing/creating dialog, probably so that it appears under any previews, and above the actual editing box. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 16:53, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

:Gladly - just tell me how to do it without the required permissions. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 19:50, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

::It was my intention that you would bring it up to Senso to do it. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 22:35, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

:::Agreed, putting editing pet peeves at the top of the main page is overkill. Ask Senso to make the changes Edward suggests.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:34, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

:Frankly, I think it's important enough, and unknown enough, that it should stay on the front page. -- [[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 20:58, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

::If it does stay on the main page, professionalize it a bit more and remove the sigs. My vote's for taking it down anyways. I almost hit revert as a "knee-jerk response to vandalism". The main page article is not a place to air your grievances about how people edit. --[[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 06:02, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

:::If it could be moved to the Editing/Creating page, then I wouldn't object to moving it off the main page. But I'm on several wikis, and not one of them lists the sign-off info anywhere that's easy or intuitive to discover. [[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 20:06, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

::::It can be, it just needs edit permissions on the host. While it looks a tad better now (thanks RF), it's still entirely out of place. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:34, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

::::This is a very jarring thing to see on the main page. It is completely out of place and affects the first impression people get when they see the wiki. It just makes us look bad. Put the issue on Senso's talk page and he is likely to add it to the editing dialog, but it should be taken down first. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:34, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

::::I have removed the PSA under the premise that changes to the main page are wrong until proven right, rather than the other way around. We can return it after agreement has been reached regarding its presence. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 23:44, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

:I'll mess with the code today and include such a warning directly on the Editing template. I'm also tired of people not using signatures. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:59, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

There may be a page in the MediaWiki namespace that can be used. [[Mediawiki:Edittools]] will add text _after_ the edit box; I don't know about before. I know Wikipedia has a feature for that but I think it's an extension. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 08:41, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Huh. after going through the source code I can now say there is NOT one - there's ones for all kinds of special cases (creating a page, recreating a deleted page, editing a protected page as an admin, editing a Mediawiki: page as an admin) but not one to just always show. Nevermind, then [[User:Random832|Random832]] 08:54, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

:I don't even see a huge problem with people not signing their posts, anyway. If a person only makes one or two posts, knowing their "name" isn't important. People who intend to stick around should be [[template:newbie|clued in]].--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 15:39, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

== Lets Download Dwarf Fortress! ==

Well you can't, and that's the issue. Are there any plans on changing the main page's link to a mirror? Since this wiki comes in second on Google only to the official Bay 12 homepage, it'd make sense for there to be a working download for potential players. [[User:Raithah|Raithah]] 01:05, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

: I added the links for mirrors 2-4 to the downtime notice. "Mirror" 1 is B12G itself. - [[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 01:15, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
::Per my PM to FunnyMan, is there a mirror link available for the Mac version? These are just the Windows version. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 21:35, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
::Though for obvious reasons I am unable to vouch for it's integrity (ie. infected by virus, spyware, etc.), [http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/Dwarf-Fortress.shtml|Softpedia] has a mirror of the most recent version, OS X edition. [[User:Raithah|Raithah]] 00:33, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
:::The download link is just the Bay12 site again, which is down, however Funnyman has just added a Mac download mirror link to the main page. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 16:26, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

== ETA? ==

I miss Bay 12 Games! Does anyone have any idea when we should be getting it back? I just want to know if I should stop constantly clicking my bookmark and sit back and wait for a few weeks. --[[User:Zoodle|Zoodle]] 16:23, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

: I think it's safe to say that since we can't make donations to Toady while the site's down, it'll be back up pretty soon. --[[User:Fossaman|Fossaman]] 13:58, 27 October 2008 (PDT)
::You can make donations: if you go to an archived version of the page, the paypal buttons still work since paypal didn't crash. According to Toady on at least two occasions, the site was supposed to be back up today (monday). But that doesn't seem to be happening. It should happen soon, though. --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 22:23, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

::Looks like the main site just came back up. The forums are still not back up yet, though I imagine they will be within the next few hours. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 08:32, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

::You'll be pleased to know that the forums are now back up as well, and seem to be functioning normally. [[User:Ryo|Ryo]] 13:00, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

::So Random### decided to say that the forums are '''not''' up. Last I checked, being able to reach the "you are banned" screen means the forums are back up. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:16, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
...huh? (way to insult me behind my back btw - if you have something to say, next time say it on [[user talk:random832|my talk page]]) - anyway, it was a DNS problem, and the page I did see was a PHP error message, NOT a forum software "you are banned" messages. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 16:35, 10 November 2008 (EST)

== Forums? ==

A short time ago but after the forums crashed I got a pair of PMs claiming to be from the bay12games forum.

Are these forums up somewhere, or how would I explain those PMs? – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]]

:Last I checked, the b12g forums were actually back up and linked to from the bay12games site. <_< --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:47, 20 November 2008 (EST)

::Nope, when I go to /forum/ I just get a mostly-empty directory view --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 09:14, 21 November 2008 (EST)

DNS problems. See instructions at http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=34213 . [[User:Random832|Random832]] 11:57, 21 November 2008 (EST)

:Not helpful- I've already flushed my DNS several times, used ''different'' DNS's, and tried that fix- I'm still getting the 'empty' forum folder. And according to cmd>ping, the DNS addresses are already correct.

::Strange. Try going specifically to http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 22:21, 21 November 2008 (EST)

:::404, actually --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 01:03, 22 November 2008 (EST)

::::OK then, what IP address is it indicating when you ping the server (which you mentioned above)? The new, current IP (which I double checked) for bay12games.com is 216.97.239.212. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 03:59, 22 November 2008 (EST)

::::That -is- the IP ._. In fact, that`s been the IP for months.
::::That said, manually going to http://216.97.239.212/forum/ worked, but trying to click -anything- redirects me to a 404 on bay12games.com/forum/. About the only other thing I can see is that I'm getting wwwRedirect in the GET string.
:::: Hm, found what may be the issue. Despite having flushed/registered the DNS a week or so ago, my DNS records still have the wrong IP in for bay12games. Confusing as all get-out, since /dwarves/dev_now.html works fine for me. {{unsigned|Sukasa}}

:::::The ping command should resolve DNS entries exactly the same as your browser would, so that was why I was asking (i.e. "ping bay12games.com" should resolve to 216.97.239.212). Glad you've got it nailed down as a DNS issue though. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 19:25, 22 November 2008 (EST)
:::::Uh, by the way: do you access the internet through a router? Sometimes they can muck things up, and in fact I've seen one cause problems by caching DNS entries. Fixing such a problem would vary from one router to the next, though. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 19:34, 22 November 2008 (EST)

:::::It's a Linksys Router, yes. It's definitely not the router and instead my internal cache, since the problem persists even when I bring my laptop to work or to University. --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 23:53, 22 November 2008 (EST)

:::::Firefox also maintains its own cache, IIRC. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 11:13, 24 November 2008 (EST)

:::::Nah, I use Chrome. Anyways, managed to fix it, thanks for the help --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 16:51, 25 November 2008 (EST)

== Notice box at the top of Main Page ==

As we can see from the edit history, [[User:Alya|Alya]] states that "it was intended to ensure information from the old wiki didn't just get copied over; it isn't really needed anymore, especially that prominently." [[User:N9103|Edward]] replies, "Versions still update regularly, and accuracy should always be a priority." 
Right under "Download Dwarf Fortress" is emblazoned the same text as the notice box except for a reminder to ensure that info is accurate for the ''latest'' version. I'm inclined to think that the sort that wouldn't do that won't be listening to the notice box any more than Rules [[DwarfFortressWiki:Community_Portal#F|F]], [[DwarfFortressWiki:Community_Portal#V|V]], and sometimes [[DwarfFortressWiki:Community_Portal#Y|Y]]. No, ''especially'' Y. 
Opinions? 
--[[User:Savok|Savok]], 
not wanting to start revert wars at 00:44, 30 November 2008 (EST)

:I think that's going to end up being true, what with the current state of the average human brain. Though I'm fresh out of suggestions, except giant red blinking text. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 01:13, 30 November 2008 (EST)

:I have to agree with Alya. We barely have a problem with people adding inaccurate info of any kind, let alone outdated info. It gets outdated on its own, and if we're lucky, we spot it and fix it. We could toss the notice box altogether.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 02:25, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Consensus seems against me. Notice Removed. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 05:21, 30 November 2008 (EST)

== "Meeting Hall' page for general questions. ==

Wowwiki (for Warcraft and related things) has a 'Village pump' page, that functions as kind of a general question area. Is there something like that here, or could there be? I've seen references to the forums, but the links don't seem to work, usually, at least for me. (I'm on a company network, which may be why.) --[[User:Azaram|Azaram]] 23:03, 9 December 2008 (EST)

:I'd say the forums really are the best place for that stuff. It's a pity if you can't use 'em. But feel free to ask questions on any talk page on the wiki, however; there are plenty of people who watch [[Special:Recentchanges]].--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:00, 10 December 2008 (EST)

::Since Toady fairly recently restructured the forums, some of the links to them are still broken. If you can't access [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php the real forums], though, I can't help you.
::Like he said, most questions should be asked on the talk page of the appropriate subject, and we have enough people reading the changes in the wiki that you should be answered. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:21, 11 December 2008 (EST)

:This could be a good replacement for the currently (and for a good while now) unused [[Current_events]] page, perhaps changing it's title to something more appropriate, while maintaining it's presence as a 'Main Navigation Link'. That's my two dwarfbucks on ideas for a replacement for that page anyways. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 00:18, 30 December 2008 (EST)

::IMO, 95% of questions are asked on the appropriate talk page and 80% of the remaining could have been. I don't think that we need a "Gameplay Questions" area, since we've got a forum for that, like Maximus stated. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:25, 31 December 2008 (EST)

☼ ☼!!!!! I personally think it needs a sandbox page, where new, or even experienced who wnat to try a new thing, users can test stuff and see how to do things like upload images, or what the many edit buttons do.--[[User:Destor|Destor]] 01:23, 30 December 2008 (EST)☼ ☼

:Typically, any page under your username (like [[Special:Mypage/blah]]) is an appropriate sandbox page, for use when you need to disturb the wiki for more than a minute while getting some unusual formatting to work. When your code is normal, you can just use the preview button... --[[User:Savok|Savok]], a bit puzzled at 10:25, 31 December 2008 (EST)

== Latest Version ==
The latest version is 40d9. Is there a reason we're not linking to it yet? --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 17:55, 31 January 2009 (EST)

:Cause it's a beta of a beta. AKA it's unstable and not even a real version yet, more of a subversion. If that. It's cloudware - it exists but it's not very stable. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 18:07, 31 January 2009 (EST)

:The latest version [http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/ here] is 40d. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:28, 31 January 2009 (EST)

== Random Blank Pages ==

Savok notified me yesterday of a DB error appearing when editing pages. Since I fixed that, the website seems to show blank pages at random. I don't know if it's related to yesterday's problem or if it's an issue with my host. I will keep you all posted as soon as I have more information.
Don't ask me about offline versions of the wiki, I do not have the bandwidth to provide ~100MB downloads for everybody (if someone else wants to host one though, go ahead.)
Sorry about the troubles.
Edit: I've been getting DB errors while trying to edit that page, fuck. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 21:46, 10 March 2009 (EDT)

:Ok, the DB seems to be repaired and the space issue should be fixed. Let me know if anybody keeps getting the blank pages. If it still happens, I'll have to reload the wiki from an old backup. Ugh. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 22:59, 10 March 2009 (EDT)

::I once had this problem with one of the wiki I'm "administering", it was a caching issue. I just had to clear the cache folder and it was ok again. YMMV. --[[User:Karl|Karl]] 00:20, 11 March 2009 (EDT)

:::Currently, this problem is occurring for all diff pages I view. I haven't noticed it elsewhere. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 01:33, 11 March 2009 (EDT)
:::Never mind that. It seems random now. For example, I can't look at [[Talk:Main Page]] but I can view the latest diff. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 01:34, 11 March 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Main Page/archive2

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User:Savok

2009-03-10T04:35:13Z

Savok:

"So sayeth the Wiki Loremaster!"

== Tasklist ==__NOTOC__

Feel free to do any of these yourself.

* Move/merge/delete:
** [[Cistern]]
** [[Reservoir]]
** [[Well_guide]]
** the generation seeds pages
* Check:
** [[Special:BrokenRedirects]]
** [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]
** [[:Category:Verify]]
** [[:Category:Deletion]]
* Also, neat:
** [[Special:MyPage]]

== Templatery ==

=== UMkey code ===

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</nowiki></nowiki><nowiki></div>
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[[CP437]]

Someone should make an article on UMkey sometime... until then, use [http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Community_Portal#Unified_map_key this section from the old wiki's community portal].

=== [[Template:Frac]] ===

Quite simply, type <code><nowiki>{{frac|a|b}}</nowiki></code> to get {{frac|a|b}}.

=== [[Template:Rule]] ===

Also easily, type <code><nowiki>{{rule|A}}</nowiki></code> to get {{rule|A}}.

40d Talk:Flood

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Savok:

I'm not totally sure about the 4/7 rules concerning depth.

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This page violates C, S, T, and possibly F and G. It may or may not violate R, but it should. 
C, F, S, and T can be fixed, but I think G (and maybe R) call for <nowiki>{{del}}</nowiki>. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:02, 4 November 2007 (EST)

:This page is about a phenomenon that obviously results from the rules set in place at [[water]]. I'm still not sure why it should be kept. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 00:26, 10 March 2009 (EDT)