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v0.31 Talk:Volcano

2010-05-07T06:39:58Z

Radical:

I'd just like to note some differences between 40d volcanos and the new ones. From what I've seen, they have fixed designs as opposed to random shifting patterns as you go down the z axis and act more like pipes that were lucky enough to reach the surface during worldgen. The last one I embarked on actually protruded out of the ground for 4 z axis' sort of like a chimney
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h133/Radicalaces/chimney.png?t=1273214099
--[[User:radical|radical]] 07:12, 7 May 2010 (EST)

v0.31 Talk:Volcano

2010-05-07T06:39:22Z

Radical: Created page with 'I'd just like to note some differences between 40d volcanos and the new ones. From what I've seen, they have fixed designs as opposed to random shifting patterns as you go down t…'

I'd just like to note some differences between 40d volcanos and the new ones. From what I've seen, they have fixed designs as opposed to random shifting patterns as you go down the z axis and act more like pipes that were lucky enough to reach the surface. The last one I embarked on actually protruded out of the ground for 4 z axis' sort of like a chimney
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h133/Radicalaces/chimney.png?t=1273214099
--[[User:radical|radical]] 07:12, 7 May 2010 (EST)

40d Talk:Fire imp

2010-01-29T01:30:50Z

Radical: /* Fire imp made it through a locked door */

== Wrestling? ==

I just had a mechanic get attacked by one. He moved into its tile (I assume to wrestle) and instantly died of heat. Should this be noted?--[[User:Shadow archmagi|Shadow archmagi]] 19:59, 28 February 2008 (EST)

:That is the imp using his fireball attack on a stupid dwarf, so I guess it's already in the article --[[User:MagicGuigz|MagicGuigz]] 20:27, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

::Just to verify, its very possible to wrestle imps and magmamen to death. I had to do this after embarking, I didn't realize the lava tube would be right next to my wagon and immediately fire imps attacked. I drafted all of my dwarves and wrestled all 3 of them to death, as well as the magma man who came out later. The only dwarf I lost (my woodcutter) was due to a stray fireball. [[User:Forsaken1111|Forsaken1111]] 22:43, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

== Defensive Uses ==

I'm currently exploring the defensive uses of fire imps after bagging a few in cage traps. They don't seem too keen on fireballing goblin attackers, which was my original plan (had them confined behind some fortifications, but they wouldn't fire on the goblins). Further experiments required, or can someone confirm that they won't attack anyone but my dwarves? --[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 16:35, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

::is it possible to tame fire imps with the dungeon master? [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 14:12, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

:::There is no PET_EXOTIC tag, so no.[[User:StrawberryBunny|StrawberryBunny]] 09:35, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

::::Is there a safe way to move fire imp fat? If so, you could put it above your fortress entrance and drop it on invaders since it always burns. I really wish armor made from fire imp hide would protect from burning. [[User:Forsaken1111|Forsaken1111]] 22:45, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

:Your fortress is probably long gone by now but for anybody else looking for an answer to the question, one solution would be to chain some pets behind doors connected to levers. If you open the doors, the fire imps will (probably) fire at the pets. Purportedly, this works with giant cave spiders, though some hold that the gcs needs to be able to path to its victim. [[User:CptFastbreak|CptFastbreak]] 11:57, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

:Ok, now I did some experimenting. First, seven tiles is too short for a fire imp with the pressure plate right in front of the bridge, the bridge likely needs to be 10-12 tiles wide. But I also seriously doubt the feasibility of fire imps in defense. For one, it seems that fire imps will not shoot through fortifications, regardless if they can path beyond it. Using a moat made the imp fire a single shot, after that he sat quiet for maybe 2-3 game days, and only then he proceeded to attack the delicious puppy I had chained for him. Overall, I reckon the fire imp is too unreliable to be used in a defense situation. [[User:CptFastbreak|CptFastbreak]] 16:42, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

== A vast understatement! ==

"Fire imps are nasty little creatures that live in magma vents."

Nasty little creatures doesn't cut it. Every time I settle on top of a volcano, an imp will surface, get pissed at anything, be it an immigrating dwarf or a muskox, and cause a wildfire! The worst part is that there is no message for "The world is burning!" so I end up losing a dwarf or two before I notice it!

I think the worst was I lost both of my initial miners because they decided to take a break in the path of the fire. They got the hint when I gave the order "everyone inside" but it was too late, they burned up before they could make it back inside.

That being said, I find some vertical nickel bars do wonders in securing my magma forges from imp tampering. They're a definite "must bring" on any volcanic expedition.--[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 23:02, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
(I didn't know to sign my posts when I wrote this, sorry.)

:Actually I thought that the world burning problem (glitch?) is pretty awesome, except when it burns up your entire booze stock in one go--[[User:Jackrabbit|Jackrabbit]] 22:21, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

::I do think the forest fires are cool too, but it would be nice if it had a warning, perhaps triggered by maybe an external growing past a certain size. It's just the imps cause them every time I've turned my back on them. Also, hunters and imps don't mix.--[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 23:02, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

== crush? ==
''WARNING: Fire imp fat never stops burning. It's also immune to fire damage. Therefore you must crush fire imp fat to stop it from burning.'' - How do you crush it? [[User:Random832|Random832]] 09:31, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
:Probably with a [[cave-in]]. You can manufacture these by building an up ramp and a support, with some floor constructions above it. Link the support to a lever and throw the lever to cause the floor constructions to collapse. You'll definitely want to set a restricted area in the 3x3 zone around the imp fat, plus maybe suspended wall sections (which keep dwarves from standing there when they try to build) to keep some idiot from accidentally setting himself ablaze, though. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 10:53, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
:: Why not simply build a bridge? --[[User:MagicGuigz|MagicGuigz]] 11:28, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
:::Forces you to get closer to the fat itself, so it's more hazardous work. You also can't apply multiple dwarves to the project, and it uses a similar amount of material. Definitely would work, though. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 11:34, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
::::A bridge wouldn't work - you can't build a bridge that's raised by default, so the dwarves have to move the fat out of the way, and thus are set on fire. Also the butcher's shop gets in the way too. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:30, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
:::::What happens if you flood the area with water? Just get a lot of steam? Maybe if you could find a way to move it, you could use fire imp fat to set up a steam bath for dwarves. --[[User:Forsaken1111|Forsaken1111]] 22:11, 2 November 2008 (EST)~

== Do Imps, Magma Men and Fire Men respawn? ==

Do they? or is just killing them once enough?
Incidentally, fire imps aren't all that tough. I had a mason (undrafted) dodge a fireball then wrestle one to death, THEN run away screaming. Unfortunately, dwarves tried to build floors next to a bridge, tossing half my party down the chute =/.
--[[User:Blargityblarg|Blargityblarg]]

:I have never seen chasm/pit/magma creators respawn (40d). I understand that in previous versions they did.--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 14:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

:No I have never seen any fire-x creature respawn, and this is quite sad especially if they are so vulnerable. I wanted to make a "fire imp death chamber" for insolent nobles and when I went to investigate my magma pipe, all I saw were fire imp bones everywhere thanks to my insolent hunters (whom I will sacrifice now too). --[[User:Gamli|Gamli]]

== verify? ==
"When a fire imp [[corpse]] is [[butcher]]ed, clouds of "boiling fire imp fat" will briefly bubble out from the [[Butcher's shop]], which can ignite nearby items or [[cloth]]es (at least one butcher has perished to this fate"

I just butchered 4 imp corpses with no sign of that. They were killed in battle - may this only apply to trap caught live butchered imps?

"Fire imp fat never stops burning. It's also immune to fire damage. Therefore you must crush fire imp fat to stop it from burning."

I also see no sign of that. I turned fat into tallow and put it on my food stockpile - no sign of fire or anything. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 21:07, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

:I can confirm the explosion from fat - it's random, from a small "pfft" to a massive fireball. I strongly suspect that the fat rarely survives this (any more?), and is gone afterward. I've butchered dozens of imps, all from combat, and every time I get ''some'' sort of effect, if only a small puff - the butcher has just enough time to run before the explosion, and I don't think(?) I've ever seen "Fire Imp fat" left over afterwards.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 21:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

::<nowiki>*headesk* *headesk* *turns on temperature* *headesk*</nowiki> --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 14:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I've seen fire imp fat behave in two ways - sometimes, the fire imp fat will instantly boil away in a red cloud and disappear, and sometimes it'll catch fire and cause horrendous amounts of smoke to emanate from the workshop. In my latest fortress, I managed to get the latter, but when I deconstructed the workshop (as a precursor to preparing a cave-in), the fat simply vanished into thin air. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 15:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

== Why their fat boils and stuff ==

Finally figured out what I think is a solid theory. I've tested it, and everything seems to mesh. Wrestling a fire imp fresh out of the magma will set the wrestler's clothes on fire, ''without'' the imp ever breathing fire. Butchering the same imp will result in a cloud of boiling imp fat (though I've yet to see injuries more severe than brown; my butcher rested in bed for literally about 5 real world seconds, then went right back to work). Knocking the imp out on top of flammables can set them on fire, if it remains still long enough. And the meat can set wooden barrels on fire when stored. If the imp is allowed to run around for a season or two, however, it cools down enough to be handled safely (including the fat, which doesn't boil and can be rendered normally). I'm not sure of the minimum time to reach a safe temperature. I also believe it's possible for an imp to reach just the right temperature that the meat doesn't ''immediately'' set a barrel on fire, but transfers heat slowly until it appears to spontaneously combust. This has been confirmed by heating iron weapons with magma briefly, then storing them in a wooden bin. Varying temperature is also most likely why some fat boils, some burns, and some makes delicious ≡fire imp tallow roasts≡, though I didn't do enough testing to produce burning imp fat.

Dwarf Fortress is insane. --[[User:Arrkhal|Arrkhal]] 02:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

== Fire imp made it through a locked door??? ==

It ruined my entire map, I had 2 doors connecting the magma pipe to the surface, I had them both locked and sealed tightly, later on I get a warning that someone is bleeding to death, I look, and my entire map is on fire and 2 people are dead. The rest committed suicide.

I reclaimed but somehow the ashy wasteland with unicorn bones everywhere just doesnt feel as mirthful as it used to. --[[User:Radical|Radical]] 08:30, 28 January 2010 (EST)

40d Talk:Fire imp

2010-01-29T01:30:19Z

Radical:

== Wrestling? ==

I just had a mechanic get attacked by one. He moved into its tile (I assume to wrestle) and instantly died of heat. Should this be noted?--[[User:Shadow archmagi|Shadow archmagi]] 19:59, 28 February 2008 (EST)

:That is the imp using his fireball attack on a stupid dwarf, so I guess it's already in the article --[[User:MagicGuigz|MagicGuigz]] 20:27, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

::Just to verify, its very possible to wrestle imps and magmamen to death. I had to do this after embarking, I didn't realize the lava tube would be right next to my wagon and immediately fire imps attacked. I drafted all of my dwarves and wrestled all 3 of them to death, as well as the magma man who came out later. The only dwarf I lost (my woodcutter) was due to a stray fireball. [[User:Forsaken1111|Forsaken1111]] 22:43, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

== Defensive Uses ==

I'm currently exploring the defensive uses of fire imps after bagging a few in cage traps. They don't seem too keen on fireballing goblin attackers, which was my original plan (had them confined behind some fortifications, but they wouldn't fire on the goblins). Further experiments required, or can someone confirm that they won't attack anyone but my dwarves? --[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 16:35, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

::is it possible to tame fire imps with the dungeon master? [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 14:12, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

:::There is no PET_EXOTIC tag, so no.[[User:StrawberryBunny|StrawberryBunny]] 09:35, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

::::Is there a safe way to move fire imp fat? If so, you could put it above your fortress entrance and drop it on invaders since it always burns. I really wish armor made from fire imp hide would protect from burning. [[User:Forsaken1111|Forsaken1111]] 22:45, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

:Your fortress is probably long gone by now but for anybody else looking for an answer to the question, one solution would be to chain some pets behind doors connected to levers. If you open the doors, the fire imps will (probably) fire at the pets. Purportedly, this works with giant cave spiders, though some hold that the gcs needs to be able to path to its victim. [[User:CptFastbreak|CptFastbreak]] 11:57, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

:Ok, now I did some experimenting. First, seven tiles is too short for a fire imp with the pressure plate right in front of the bridge, the bridge likely needs to be 10-12 tiles wide. But I also seriously doubt the feasibility of fire imps in defense. For one, it seems that fire imps will not shoot through fortifications, regardless if they can path beyond it. Using a moat made the imp fire a single shot, after that he sat quiet for maybe 2-3 game days, and only then he proceeded to attack the delicious puppy I had chained for him. Overall, I reckon the fire imp is too unreliable to be used in a defense situation. [[User:CptFastbreak|CptFastbreak]] 16:42, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

== A vast understatement! ==

"Fire imps are nasty little creatures that live in magma vents."

Nasty little creatures doesn't cut it. Every time I settle on top of a volcano, an imp will surface, get pissed at anything, be it an immigrating dwarf or a muskox, and cause a wildfire! The worst part is that there is no message for "The world is burning!" so I end up losing a dwarf or two before I notice it!

I think the worst was I lost both of my initial miners because they decided to take a break in the path of the fire. They got the hint when I gave the order "everyone inside" but it was too late, they burned up before they could make it back inside.

That being said, I find some vertical nickel bars do wonders in securing my magma forges from imp tampering. They're a definite "must bring" on any volcanic expedition.--[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 23:02, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
(I didn't know to sign my posts when I wrote this, sorry.)

:Actually I thought that the world burning problem (glitch?) is pretty awesome, except when it burns up your entire booze stock in one go--[[User:Jackrabbit|Jackrabbit]] 22:21, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

::I do think the forest fires are cool too, but it would be nice if it had a warning, perhaps triggered by maybe an external growing past a certain size. It's just the imps cause them every time I've turned my back on them. Also, hunters and imps don't mix.--[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 23:02, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

== crush? ==
''WARNING: Fire imp fat never stops burning. It's also immune to fire damage. Therefore you must crush fire imp fat to stop it from burning.'' - How do you crush it? [[User:Random832|Random832]] 09:31, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
:Probably with a [[cave-in]]. You can manufacture these by building an up ramp and a support, with some floor constructions above it. Link the support to a lever and throw the lever to cause the floor constructions to collapse. You'll definitely want to set a restricted area in the 3x3 zone around the imp fat, plus maybe suspended wall sections (which keep dwarves from standing there when they try to build) to keep some idiot from accidentally setting himself ablaze, though. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 10:53, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
:: Why not simply build a bridge? --[[User:MagicGuigz|MagicGuigz]] 11:28, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
:::Forces you to get closer to the fat itself, so it's more hazardous work. You also can't apply multiple dwarves to the project, and it uses a similar amount of material. Definitely would work, though. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 11:34, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
::::A bridge wouldn't work - you can't build a bridge that's raised by default, so the dwarves have to move the fat out of the way, and thus are set on fire. Also the butcher's shop gets in the way too. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:30, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
:::::What happens if you flood the area with water? Just get a lot of steam? Maybe if you could find a way to move it, you could use fire imp fat to set up a steam bath for dwarves. --[[User:Forsaken1111|Forsaken1111]] 22:11, 2 November 2008 (EST)~

== Do Imps, Magma Men and Fire Men respawn? ==

Do they? or is just killing them once enough?
Incidentally, fire imps aren't all that tough. I had a mason (undrafted) dodge a fireball then wrestle one to death, THEN run away screaming. Unfortunately, dwarves tried to build floors next to a bridge, tossing half my party down the chute =/.
--[[User:Blargityblarg|Blargityblarg]]

:I have never seen chasm/pit/magma creators respawn (40d). I understand that in previous versions they did.--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 14:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

:No I have never seen any fire-x creature respawn, and this is quite sad especially if they are so vulnerable. I wanted to make a "fire imp death chamber" for insolent nobles and when I went to investigate my magma pipe, all I saw were fire imp bones everywhere thanks to my insolent hunters (whom I will sacrifice now too). --[[User:Gamli|Gamli]]

== verify? ==
"When a fire imp [[corpse]] is [[butcher]]ed, clouds of "boiling fire imp fat" will briefly bubble out from the [[Butcher's shop]], which can ignite nearby items or [[cloth]]es (at least one butcher has perished to this fate"

I just butchered 4 imp corpses with no sign of that. They were killed in battle - may this only apply to trap caught live butchered imps?

"Fire imp fat never stops burning. It's also immune to fire damage. Therefore you must crush fire imp fat to stop it from burning."

I also see no sign of that. I turned fat into tallow and put it on my food stockpile - no sign of fire or anything. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 21:07, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

:I can confirm the explosion from fat - it's random, from a small "pfft" to a massive fireball. I strongly suspect that the fat rarely survives this (any more?), and is gone afterward. I've butchered dozens of imps, all from combat, and every time I get ''some'' sort of effect, if only a small puff - the butcher has just enough time to run before the explosion, and I don't think(?) I've ever seen "Fire Imp fat" left over afterwards.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 21:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

::<nowiki>*headesk* *headesk* *turns on temperature* *headesk*</nowiki> --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 14:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I've seen fire imp fat behave in two ways - sometimes, the fire imp fat will instantly boil away in a red cloud and disappear, and sometimes it'll catch fire and cause horrendous amounts of smoke to emanate from the workshop. In my latest fortress, I managed to get the latter, but when I deconstructed the workshop (as a precursor to preparing a cave-in), the fat simply vanished into thin air. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 15:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

== Why their fat boils and stuff ==

Finally figured out what I think is a solid theory. I've tested it, and everything seems to mesh. Wrestling a fire imp fresh out of the magma will set the wrestler's clothes on fire, ''without'' the imp ever breathing fire. Butchering the same imp will result in a cloud of boiling imp fat (though I've yet to see injuries more severe than brown; my butcher rested in bed for literally about 5 real world seconds, then went right back to work). Knocking the imp out on top of flammables can set them on fire, if it remains still long enough. And the meat can set wooden barrels on fire when stored. If the imp is allowed to run around for a season or two, however, it cools down enough to be handled safely (including the fat, which doesn't boil and can be rendered normally). I'm not sure of the minimum time to reach a safe temperature. I also believe it's possible for an imp to reach just the right temperature that the meat doesn't ''immediately'' set a barrel on fire, but transfers heat slowly until it appears to spontaneously combust. This has been confirmed by heating iron weapons with magma briefly, then storing them in a wooden bin. Varying temperature is also most likely why some fat boils, some burns, and some makes delicious ≡fire imp tallow roasts≡, though I didn't do enough testing to produce burning imp fat.

Dwarf Fortress is insane. --[[User:Arrkhal|Arrkhal]] 02:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

== Fire imp made it through a locked door ==

It ruined my entire map, I had 2 doors connecting the magma pipe to the surface, I had them both locked and sealed tightly, later on I get a warning that someone is bleeding to death, I look, and my entire map is on fire and 2 people are dead. The rest committed suicide.

I reclaimed but somehow the ashy wasteland with unicorn bones everywhere just doesnt feel as mirthful as it used to. --[[User:Radical|Radical]] 08:30, 28 January 2010 (EST)

40d Talk:Goblin

2010-01-24T12:32:01Z

Radical: /* Do gobs really attack any fortress */

==== Thieves & cage traps ====
Not sure that Goblin (master) thieves /can/ evade traps. I've caught a bucketful in cage traps. Didn't know what to do with them, mind... [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 09:23, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I've noticed that when i melt down Narrow Steel Equipment, all i get is Copper! can someone verify this as a bug or intentional? -- Bullion

:I would think that that would be a bug. [[User:Mindsnap|Mindsnap]] 18:42, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Does adding [CURIOUSBEAST_GUZZLER] actually semi-fix sieges? I thought that it didn't. [[User:Mindsnap|Mindsnap]] 18:42, 3 December 2007 (EST)

:Uh, surely this isn't a real tag? --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:15, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::It's used on gnomes, so that they can drink your booze if they find it. Strangely, it's also used on bears. Mindsnap, try <nowiki>[CURIOUSBEAST]</nowiki>. It's not anywhere in the default raws, but it's in the program text so it may be recognised. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 17:38, 12 December 2007 (EST)

== Snatchers / pedophiles ==

Why not just leave it as <s>pedophiles</s> "snatchers"? I think it's funny. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 13:55, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:Why not deal with it as "civilized" people? I mean have some sort of a voting with an argumented discussion on the talk page before a wiki admin say his final word. Those who reverted the change were at least stating something in the summary field. I myself don't think that this bit of humor is appropriate to this article and the user who did it again and again seems to be a vandal for me.--[[User:Another|Another]] 15:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::Whatever you do or say, pedophiles are no laughing matter. What's wrong with you [[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]]? >:( --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:28, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::There are about 30 episodes of Family Guy that would beg to differ. However this turns out, please stop the edit war. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 15:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::I'm very confident that if it continue, it will result in the ban of [[User:Billdauterive|Billdauterive]]. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:I support the word "snatcher" over "pedophile", for three reasons. First, it's more likely to be immediately understood by all wiki readers. Second, we're not talking same-species kiddy snatchers here - these are goblins, and goblins enslave and/or eat dwarf children. Third, why suggest nastiness and smut (as though dwarven kids ''a la carte'' wasn't horrid enough!) in a wiki without firm grounds? [[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 16:07, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::I wasn't suggesting removing the word "snatcher" at all. You've got to agree that it seems a bit peculiar that the snatchers ''only'' target children. Why is it that murderous carp are funny but pedophile goblins are sick? Seems like a double standard to me. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:27, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Nothing strange at all about targetting only children. They're easier to catch, easier for goblins (who are no great size themselves) to carry, can't resist as well, are much more tender when cooked, and can be permanently enslaved more easily. There's just flat-out no reason to bother with any mention of pedophilia. --[[User:Fedor|Fedor]]
:::''Why is it that murderous carp are funny but pedophile <s>goblins</s> are sick?'': Because it's the truth. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 16:42, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::Meh. As long as it stays fantasy I don't have a problem with them. Much. I don't subscribe to the notion of thoughtcrime. It's the pederasts, who act on the urge, that are the criminals. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 17:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::::For the record, it's not just boys that get molested, girls do too. --Gotthard 17:52, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::::Well, if I keep with the current "for the record" trend, I have to say that I would have no problem with having goblin pedophiles in game. It's a simulation afterall. Thing is, the current discussion is related to the article page, which is used in real life by humans and not dwarves. There is also no proof at all that goblin snatchers are pedophile, so not only it is a false entry but, as I said, since it's read by real life humans then the comment can also be considered offensive. Which is my case, I do find it offensive and there's no good reason to justify it. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:10, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:::::: Certainly. I know that. Pederasty is the closest word we have, though. Statutory rape, while applicable, is a broader term. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)

::::::The only reason I made the distinction is that girls are far more likely to suffer long term damage from sexual abuse. Pederasty refers only to males. Anyway, [[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] I don't think the term should be in the article unless for some reason it is in the game. My 'for the record' comment was more off topic on the definition of the word than an attack. [[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] and I seem to be on the same page anyway. --Gotthard 19:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::::::A through search of the games strings turns up no occurances of '''pedo''', '''pede''', or '''rape'''. '''Sex''' occurs only in the word '''''sex'''tuplets'', and in the programming term ''RegisterClas'''sEx'''''. For what that's worth. I will add my personal opinion that I also think it doesn't belong in the article. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 20:03, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::::::To be fair, 'rape' is a word in the in-game goblin language, and often appears as a surname, or civilization name. I do agree that this oughtn't be in the article, though; I suspect that children are probably taken for eating, not raping. —[[User:Captain Epix|Captain Epix]] 22:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Besides, murderous carp aren't real to life the way pedophilia is. A large zombie fish attacking a mythological creature is a bit more abstract than the a pedophile (traditionally viewed as human) molesting a small child. Frankly, I like the lack of swearing and general offensiveness of the wiki, it's a nice change compared to most of the internet. Why spoil that for the ones that like it, for information that is unclear and doesn't help understanding the article? --Gotthard 17:50, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:A thought: assume, arguendo, that the children are stolen for such a purpose. This implies not only rape and statutory rape, but also sex outside one's species. (Not quite bestiality, but similar. We don't have a word for sex with a sapient that is not of one's own species.) And since there are many snatchers, this must be sanctioned by goblin society. How warped they must be! Comments? —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::''We don't have a word for sex with a sapient that is not of one's own species.'' Isn't that more or less what the word yiffing means? --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 19:19, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Point. Though I think it hasn't entered the mainstream. Another one: in the ''Ringworld'' series, there's the concept of 'rishathra', ceremonial inter-species (though all descended from homo erectus) sex for the purpose of sealing trade agreements and alliances. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 19:53, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::Mainstream? Crossbreeding would be a scientific term. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 12:01, 25 February 2008 (EST)
:::::I believe the word Xenophile would be appropriate here, and the act would be Xenophiality or Xeno-ality? Something along those lines. I am not sure how to conjugate the latin there. [[Special:Contributions/24.65.136.134|24.65.136.134]] 20:39, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
'''I find it surprising that such a large debate has resulted [[User_talk:Billdauterive|from the actions of an obvious vandal.]]''' --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 20:04, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:Yeah, that comment's not scoring him any points. Although at least he appears to have stopped editing the page. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 21:05, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:It's not like I like to talk about those things, but I thought it was important to have a discussion against the idea of having pedophilia added to a page when it's unneeded... Read above. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 23:18, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::I don't believe there was a chance it ''would'' be added, discussion or no. At best it was a crude, immature attempt at humor. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:17, 13 December 2007 (EST)
:::[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] started this discussion, and I've taken his first comment as a suggestion to consider it. It was enough for me. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 22:04, 13 December 2007 (EST)

== Goblin Siege ==

it´s the year 1059 and I stillwaiting for a goblin siege. the kitnappers are comming since 2 years already...

I have the newest verison (0.27.169.33g)
so what´s wrong?
:Are you sure goblins have access to your fortress? You should be able to see that on the embark screen. If goblins used to raid you all the time (like me) and you don't see them at all since the new version (like me), goblin sieges might be broken again... (I'm very happy to have been able to play almost two years now without invasions... I now have almost double amount of dwarves and I can trade now!) --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 07:47, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::sorry. that waqs just a bad timing. (10 minutes later the goblins came. late but now they are here)
::bad luck ^^;
::by the way...since the first dig in the mountain I am waiting for the goblins (I have over 400 traps) and a bridge-system with fortifications...so it was a little bit boring without goblins. no matter >:D
::thank you for your help!
:::No problems... I've seen so many people complaining about the lack of gobling sieges since 33g that I was wondering myself if they were broken or not. They're supposed to attack you now instead of sitting on the edge of the map, can you confirm that? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 08:42, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::::of course they do. but they came in where no connection was (okok...it was a bridge)
::::so I had to dig a new way...and yes they are very agressive! I wondered why the goblin force came exacly at the beginning of 1060...coincidence?
:::::Depends if you're playing a game from a fortress ported from lower versions like me or not. Hard to say when you're playing an old game and didn't start the fortress on a world generated on the same version. It could be anything that Toady ajusted and you're simply over a certain limit by far and it takes a while before they raid you again... From that point on, it's only speculation unless some specific corrolations can be made. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 09:17, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::::::it´s an old version generated world.

== add smth about timing? ==

Goblins seem to prefer arriving with caravans. Comments? Any guesses on percentage distribution?

:I believe there's an event chance when something like caravan appears. Once i had a goblin squad spawn along with human caravan, after a reload, @same place&time it didn't happen. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 12:05, 25 February 2008 (EST)
::things seem to like arriving in the middle of a season. that includes caravans, thieves, ambushes, and migrants. -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 02:45, 1 March 2008 (EST)

:::For me, goblins always show up with the elves so I dont need to worry about trading with them. --CrazyMcfobo

== Protection? ==

Ive noticed that there are 3 ways to dispose of goblins.

1. Make huge walls of cage traps to capture them and then proceed to drown them in your flooding chamber. This also prevents blood from getting on the goblins so the elves will trade for their items. (Thieves cannot be moved as they escape from cages as you take them out)

2. Make a choke point at the entrance of your base and fire your ballistas! Usually around 4 should do the trick if they are close together. When they come, call in all your dwarves, and arm your ballistas. Once they enter the choke point, have them fire at will and they will be disposed of.

3. Of course you can always set up zounds of stone-fall traps all over your map.

4. armies work to start, but goblin champions are quite excellent at striking down your armies through fortifications and platemail.

== Become friends with your fellow Goblin!==

Goblins are fun to kill. I like watching them suffer as a barrage of bolts rains down upon the. Sometimes I watch them drown with a kitten in there to see if it survives. I look forward to goblins and their trolls. Oh goblins! Come to me now!
--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 14:42, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
:Is there any way to speed up the goblin ambushes?--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 18:12, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
::Letting the kobolds/goblins steal from you makes them come with better gear I believe, but I am not sure about whether or not they come faster. --[[User:Wafl|Wafl]] 22:30, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

Should we add anything to the main article about the reports of friendly goblin caravans looking to trade with certain civilizations? "Darn friendly goblins! What am I going to use these traps for now?" --[[User:Jellyfishgreen|Jellyfishgreen]] 05:30, 13 January 2009 (EST)

== The goblin annoyance ==

These forces of vile darkness are invading me more than once a year. I barely have time to clean off the battle-field before the next force arrives. This has, of course supplied me with 40+ bins of valuable goblin clothing, as well as a ridiculous amount of iron from melting down their gear. I can defeat these forces easily enough with my 50+ crossbow dwarfs raining death down upon them, but really, enough is enough. Are these attacks ever going to cease or slow down a bit? --[[User:Wafl|Wafl]] 14:28, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

::Nope. In further versions, it will be possible to affect the world map, and other cities/towers/forts. I imagine that this will mean that at some point, a goblin civilization will run out of goblins, or you can take over their city. --[[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 20:33, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

== Snatcher message ==

When the game tells you "A kidnapper has made off with Baby (name)!" does that mean the child has been successfully taken off the map? Or just that it has been grabbed? I never noticed any other warning about the snatcher so I'm guessing it succesfully remained invisible...? The baby doesn't show up on the unit list, nor does the snatcher. [[User:Caradhras|Caradhras]] 21:47, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

: "made off" means he successfully left the map with the baby. [[User:Qwertyu|Qwertyu]] 06:34, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

===Releasing Caged Children===
I got a message "(Child) has canceled sleep: Caged", and (I'm pretty sure) I killed the snatcher before he managed to leave. How do I get the child back?
:if you drowned him your probably out of luck, otherwise have the child's cage built, or have him moved to another cage/restraint, then free him--[[User:Eerr|Eerr]] 15:47, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
===master thieves===
it appears i have a goblin master thief in my cage trap, perhaps they're not trap-immune unless stealthed?
:No thief is 100% immune to traps. They have a certain chance to avoid traps whether sneaking or revealed. Kobolds are a lot better at it than goblins, but even they aren't completely immune. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 13:22, 7 November 2008 (EST)

::Theoretically that would mean you can even catch a demon... O_o --[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 21:48, 7 November 2008 (EST)

::: You can catch ''anything'' with a cage trap. Demons (well in fact, I think they're immune to traps, but I'm not a Proficien Raw Reader), dragons, colossi, giant eagle, elephants, dwarves (well, when they're unconscious), titans, everything. And this, even with a wooden, or worse, a ''glass'' cage (more exactly, a terrarium). [[User:Timst|Timst]] 06:20, 8 November 2008 (EST)

::::Well, demons have [TRAPAVOID], unlike all those others. So do kobolds. Goblins don't have it, although goblin thieves seem to.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:49, 8 November 2008 (EST)

:::::I've seen a video where the "unconscious creature triggers trap" rule was able to overcome [TRAPAVOID] for demons. Yes. Really.-- Count Dorku

===Fun Snatcher Facts===
It might be nice if goblin snatchers had their own page so there was someplace relevant to put this other than a talk page...

-If a Goblin Snatcher successfully makes it off the map with a child, you can find the exact square the child was snatched from by zooming to the child from the Relationship screen of a dwarf still present on the map (say, the parent). Basically, despite being removed from the (U)nit list, they can still be 'found' via the relationship list because they still retain friends/family/etc...

-Snatched children receive a happy thought from being grabbed, which you can see if you go to (v)iew from the relationship screen: "(S)he is happy to be free."

:I bet that thought is supposed to be for when you free them from the goblins, but what if it isn't? A dwarf's life is hard, usually spent serving nobles, and the slightest misstep gets you hammerized. Are we really the good guys? [[User:Rolan7|Rolan7]] 14:03, 27 February 2009 (EST)

--[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:52, 2 December 2008 (EST)
:I changed the Snatcher redirect to [[Thief]] instead of [[Goblin]]. Snatchers are considered a type of thief. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 13:40, 2 December 2008 (EST)

== i think i need some help ==

so i settled riiight next to what i thought was a goblin settlement, as i have before, but the same thing happened that always does, its like there isnt anyone there-
i could see goblins, and humans but they werent moving or anything, i even sent my squad over, they didnt even notice the goblin the the square next to them.

what am I doing wrong?

:I noticed the same thing - starting on a goblin fort and all the goblins are FRIENDLY in the view unit screen. (40d) Anybody? --[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 12:22, 18 February 2009 (EST)

::I would guess that they're friendly goblins. Depending on how worldgen goes, it's possible (though uncommon) for a dwarven civilization to be on good terms with a goblin civilization. When that happens and you choose to be a member of that dwarven civ upon embark, moving in next to goblins is no different than moving in next to humans or elves usually is. Goblins will even send trade caravans to friendly dwarven forts that are accessible. They're not really any different than the other races except that the values the worldgen uses for them make them MUCH more likely to be hostile than humans or elves. [[User:Kirig Stonebeard|Kirig Stonebeard]] 03:42, 6 March 2009 (EST)
:::Nope. It's broken. As was in the last versions. You get some odd behaviour, including with goblin ambushes. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 14:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== Do HFS attack goblins? ==

I'd like to know if Hidden Fun Stuff will attack goblins (like if I released them from a cage into the path of a stampeding HFS)... this would seem strange but is there anywhere to verify whether it is true or not?--[[User:Jpwrunyan|Jpwrunyan]] 14:34, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes they do. If you start at a fortress and wall one of your dwarfs in you can watch them hunt down and slaughter every single goblin visible.

== Breeding Goblins ==

Is it possible to capture goblins of both sexes and make a Goblin farm? - [[User:Iban|Iban]] 06:30, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

== Do gobs really attack ''any'' fortress ==
It says in the main page that goblins will siege any sufficiently populous or wealthy fortress. Is this true even if the fortress does not have contact with a goblin civ? Further, what about thieves and ambushes? Are some or all of those attacks absent without civ contact? --[[User:Thrillho|Thrillho]] 16:20, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

:Goblins will not seige you if they can't reach you, if you are on an island or in an area like within a mountain range valley that has no access to goblins, they won't siege you. Only your parent civ will reach you. --[[User:radical|radical]] 07:31, 24 January 2010 (EST)

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Radical: /* Do gobs really attack any fortress */

==== Thieves & cage traps ====
Not sure that Goblin (master) thieves /can/ evade traps. I've caught a bucketful in cage traps. Didn't know what to do with them, mind... [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 09:23, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I've noticed that when i melt down Narrow Steel Equipment, all i get is Copper! can someone verify this as a bug or intentional? -- Bullion

:I would think that that would be a bug. [[User:Mindsnap|Mindsnap]] 18:42, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Does adding [CURIOUSBEAST_GUZZLER] actually semi-fix sieges? I thought that it didn't. [[User:Mindsnap|Mindsnap]] 18:42, 3 December 2007 (EST)

:Uh, surely this isn't a real tag? --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:15, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::It's used on gnomes, so that they can drink your booze if they find it. Strangely, it's also used on bears. Mindsnap, try <nowiki>[CURIOUSBEAST]</nowiki>. It's not anywhere in the default raws, but it's in the program text so it may be recognised. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 17:38, 12 December 2007 (EST)

== Snatchers / pedophiles ==

Why not just leave it as <s>pedophiles</s> "snatchers"? I think it's funny. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 13:55, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:Why not deal with it as "civilized" people? I mean have some sort of a voting with an argumented discussion on the talk page before a wiki admin say his final word. Those who reverted the change were at least stating something in the summary field. I myself don't think that this bit of humor is appropriate to this article and the user who did it again and again seems to be a vandal for me.--[[User:Another|Another]] 15:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::Whatever you do or say, pedophiles are no laughing matter. What's wrong with you [[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]]? >:( --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:28, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::There are about 30 episodes of Family Guy that would beg to differ. However this turns out, please stop the edit war. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 15:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::I'm very confident that if it continue, it will result in the ban of [[User:Billdauterive|Billdauterive]]. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:I support the word "snatcher" over "pedophile", for three reasons. First, it's more likely to be immediately understood by all wiki readers. Second, we're not talking same-species kiddy snatchers here - these are goblins, and goblins enslave and/or eat dwarf children. Third, why suggest nastiness and smut (as though dwarven kids ''a la carte'' wasn't horrid enough!) in a wiki without firm grounds? [[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 16:07, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::I wasn't suggesting removing the word "snatcher" at all. You've got to agree that it seems a bit peculiar that the snatchers ''only'' target children. Why is it that murderous carp are funny but pedophile goblins are sick? Seems like a double standard to me. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:27, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Nothing strange at all about targetting only children. They're easier to catch, easier for goblins (who are no great size themselves) to carry, can't resist as well, are much more tender when cooked, and can be permanently enslaved more easily. There's just flat-out no reason to bother with any mention of pedophilia. --[[User:Fedor|Fedor]]
:::''Why is it that murderous carp are funny but pedophile <s>goblins</s> are sick?'': Because it's the truth. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 16:42, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::Meh. As long as it stays fantasy I don't have a problem with them. Much. I don't subscribe to the notion of thoughtcrime. It's the pederasts, who act on the urge, that are the criminals. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 17:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::::For the record, it's not just boys that get molested, girls do too. --Gotthard 17:52, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::::Well, if I keep with the current "for the record" trend, I have to say that I would have no problem with having goblin pedophiles in game. It's a simulation afterall. Thing is, the current discussion is related to the article page, which is used in real life by humans and not dwarves. There is also no proof at all that goblin snatchers are pedophile, so not only it is a false entry but, as I said, since it's read by real life humans then the comment can also be considered offensive. Which is my case, I do find it offensive and there's no good reason to justify it. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:10, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:::::: Certainly. I know that. Pederasty is the closest word we have, though. Statutory rape, while applicable, is a broader term. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)

::::::The only reason I made the distinction is that girls are far more likely to suffer long term damage from sexual abuse. Pederasty refers only to males. Anyway, [[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] I don't think the term should be in the article unless for some reason it is in the game. My 'for the record' comment was more off topic on the definition of the word than an attack. [[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] and I seem to be on the same page anyway. --Gotthard 19:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::::::A through search of the games strings turns up no occurances of '''pedo''', '''pede''', or '''rape'''. '''Sex''' occurs only in the word '''''sex'''tuplets'', and in the programming term ''RegisterClas'''sEx'''''. For what that's worth. I will add my personal opinion that I also think it doesn't belong in the article. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 20:03, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::::::To be fair, 'rape' is a word in the in-game goblin language, and often appears as a surname, or civilization name. I do agree that this oughtn't be in the article, though; I suspect that children are probably taken for eating, not raping. —[[User:Captain Epix|Captain Epix]] 22:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Besides, murderous carp aren't real to life the way pedophilia is. A large zombie fish attacking a mythological creature is a bit more abstract than the a pedophile (traditionally viewed as human) molesting a small child. Frankly, I like the lack of swearing and general offensiveness of the wiki, it's a nice change compared to most of the internet. Why spoil that for the ones that like it, for information that is unclear and doesn't help understanding the article? --Gotthard 17:50, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:A thought: assume, arguendo, that the children are stolen for such a purpose. This implies not only rape and statutory rape, but also sex outside one's species. (Not quite bestiality, but similar. We don't have a word for sex with a sapient that is not of one's own species.) And since there are many snatchers, this must be sanctioned by goblin society. How warped they must be! Comments? —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::''We don't have a word for sex with a sapient that is not of one's own species.'' Isn't that more or less what the word yiffing means? --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 19:19, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Point. Though I think it hasn't entered the mainstream. Another one: in the ''Ringworld'' series, there's the concept of 'rishathra', ceremonial inter-species (though all descended from homo erectus) sex for the purpose of sealing trade agreements and alliances. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 19:53, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::Mainstream? Crossbreeding would be a scientific term. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 12:01, 25 February 2008 (EST)
:::::I believe the word Xenophile would be appropriate here, and the act would be Xenophiality or Xeno-ality? Something along those lines. I am not sure how to conjugate the latin there. [[Special:Contributions/24.65.136.134|24.65.136.134]] 20:39, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
'''I find it surprising that such a large debate has resulted [[User_talk:Billdauterive|from the actions of an obvious vandal.]]''' --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 20:04, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:Yeah, that comment's not scoring him any points. Although at least he appears to have stopped editing the page. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 21:05, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:It's not like I like to talk about those things, but I thought it was important to have a discussion against the idea of having pedophilia added to a page when it's unneeded... Read above. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 23:18, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::I don't believe there was a chance it ''would'' be added, discussion or no. At best it was a crude, immature attempt at humor. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:17, 13 December 2007 (EST)
:::[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] started this discussion, and I've taken his first comment as a suggestion to consider it. It was enough for me. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 22:04, 13 December 2007 (EST)

== Goblin Siege ==

it´s the year 1059 and I stillwaiting for a goblin siege. the kitnappers are comming since 2 years already...

I have the newest verison (0.27.169.33g)
so what´s wrong?
:Are you sure goblins have access to your fortress? You should be able to see that on the embark screen. If goblins used to raid you all the time (like me) and you don't see them at all since the new version (like me), goblin sieges might be broken again... (I'm very happy to have been able to play almost two years now without invasions... I now have almost double amount of dwarves and I can trade now!) --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 07:47, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::sorry. that waqs just a bad timing. (10 minutes later the goblins came. late but now they are here)
::bad luck ^^;
::by the way...since the first dig in the mountain I am waiting for the goblins (I have over 400 traps) and a bridge-system with fortifications...so it was a little bit boring without goblins. no matter >:D
::thank you for your help!
:::No problems... I've seen so many people complaining about the lack of gobling sieges since 33g that I was wondering myself if they were broken or not. They're supposed to attack you now instead of sitting on the edge of the map, can you confirm that? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 08:42, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::::of course they do. but they came in where no connection was (okok...it was a bridge)
::::so I had to dig a new way...and yes they are very agressive! I wondered why the goblin force came exacly at the beginning of 1060...coincidence?
:::::Depends if you're playing a game from a fortress ported from lower versions like me or not. Hard to say when you're playing an old game and didn't start the fortress on a world generated on the same version. It could be anything that Toady ajusted and you're simply over a certain limit by far and it takes a while before they raid you again... From that point on, it's only speculation unless some specific corrolations can be made. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 09:17, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::::::it´s an old version generated world.

== add smth about timing? ==

Goblins seem to prefer arriving with caravans. Comments? Any guesses on percentage distribution?

:I believe there's an event chance when something like caravan appears. Once i had a goblin squad spawn along with human caravan, after a reload, @same place&time it didn't happen. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 12:05, 25 February 2008 (EST)
::things seem to like arriving in the middle of a season. that includes caravans, thieves, ambushes, and migrants. -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 02:45, 1 March 2008 (EST)

:::For me, goblins always show up with the elves so I dont need to worry about trading with them. --CrazyMcfobo

== Protection? ==

Ive noticed that there are 3 ways to dispose of goblins.

1. Make huge walls of cage traps to capture them and then proceed to drown them in your flooding chamber. This also prevents blood from getting on the goblins so the elves will trade for their items. (Thieves cannot be moved as they escape from cages as you take them out)

2. Make a choke point at the entrance of your base and fire your ballistas! Usually around 4 should do the trick if they are close together. When they come, call in all your dwarves, and arm your ballistas. Once they enter the choke point, have them fire at will and they will be disposed of.

3. Of course you can always set up zounds of stone-fall traps all over your map.

4. armies work to start, but goblin champions are quite excellent at striking down your armies through fortifications and platemail.

== Become friends with your fellow Goblin!==

Goblins are fun to kill. I like watching them suffer as a barrage of bolts rains down upon the. Sometimes I watch them drown with a kitten in there to see if it survives. I look forward to goblins and their trolls. Oh goblins! Come to me now!
--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 14:42, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
:Is there any way to speed up the goblin ambushes?--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 18:12, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
::Letting the kobolds/goblins steal from you makes them come with better gear I believe, but I am not sure about whether or not they come faster. --[[User:Wafl|Wafl]] 22:30, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

Should we add anything to the main article about the reports of friendly goblin caravans looking to trade with certain civilizations? "Darn friendly goblins! What am I going to use these traps for now?" --[[User:Jellyfishgreen|Jellyfishgreen]] 05:30, 13 January 2009 (EST)

== The goblin annoyance ==

These forces of vile darkness are invading me more than once a year. I barely have time to clean off the battle-field before the next force arrives. This has, of course supplied me with 40+ bins of valuable goblin clothing, as well as a ridiculous amount of iron from melting down their gear. I can defeat these forces easily enough with my 50+ crossbow dwarfs raining death down upon them, but really, enough is enough. Are these attacks ever going to cease or slow down a bit? --[[User:Wafl|Wafl]] 14:28, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

::Nope. In further versions, it will be possible to affect the world map, and other cities/towers/forts. I imagine that this will mean that at some point, a goblin civilization will run out of goblins, or you can take over their city. --[[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 20:33, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

== Snatcher message ==

When the game tells you "A kidnapper has made off with Baby (name)!" does that mean the child has been successfully taken off the map? Or just that it has been grabbed? I never noticed any other warning about the snatcher so I'm guessing it succesfully remained invisible...? The baby doesn't show up on the unit list, nor does the snatcher. [[User:Caradhras|Caradhras]] 21:47, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

: "made off" means he successfully left the map with the baby. [[User:Qwertyu|Qwertyu]] 06:34, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

===Releasing Caged Children===
I got a message "(Child) has canceled sleep: Caged", and (I'm pretty sure) I killed the snatcher before he managed to leave. How do I get the child back?
:if you drowned him your probably out of luck, otherwise have the child's cage built, or have him moved to another cage/restraint, then free him--[[User:Eerr|Eerr]] 15:47, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
===master thieves===
it appears i have a goblin master thief in my cage trap, perhaps they're not trap-immune unless stealthed?
:No thief is 100% immune to traps. They have a certain chance to avoid traps whether sneaking or revealed. Kobolds are a lot better at it than goblins, but even they aren't completely immune. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 13:22, 7 November 2008 (EST)

::Theoretically that would mean you can even catch a demon... O_o --[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 21:48, 7 November 2008 (EST)

::: You can catch ''anything'' with a cage trap. Demons (well in fact, I think they're immune to traps, but I'm not a Proficien Raw Reader), dragons, colossi, giant eagle, elephants, dwarves (well, when they're unconscious), titans, everything. And this, even with a wooden, or worse, a ''glass'' cage (more exactly, a terrarium). [[User:Timst|Timst]] 06:20, 8 November 2008 (EST)

::::Well, demons have [TRAPAVOID], unlike all those others. So do kobolds. Goblins don't have it, although goblin thieves seem to.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:49, 8 November 2008 (EST)

:::::I've seen a video where the "unconscious creature triggers trap" rule was able to overcome [TRAPAVOID] for demons. Yes. Really.-- Count Dorku

===Fun Snatcher Facts===
It might be nice if goblin snatchers had their own page so there was someplace relevant to put this other than a talk page...

-If a Goblin Snatcher successfully makes it off the map with a child, you can find the exact square the child was snatched from by zooming to the child from the Relationship screen of a dwarf still present on the map (say, the parent). Basically, despite being removed from the (U)nit list, they can still be 'found' via the relationship list because they still retain friends/family/etc...

-Snatched children receive a happy thought from being grabbed, which you can see if you go to (v)iew from the relationship screen: "(S)he is happy to be free."

:I bet that thought is supposed to be for when you free them from the goblins, but what if it isn't? A dwarf's life is hard, usually spent serving nobles, and the slightest misstep gets you hammerized. Are we really the good guys? [[User:Rolan7|Rolan7]] 14:03, 27 February 2009 (EST)

--[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:52, 2 December 2008 (EST)
:I changed the Snatcher redirect to [[Thief]] instead of [[Goblin]]. Snatchers are considered a type of thief. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 13:40, 2 December 2008 (EST)

== i think i need some help ==

so i settled riiight next to what i thought was a goblin settlement, as i have before, but the same thing happened that always does, its like there isnt anyone there-
i could see goblins, and humans but they werent moving or anything, i even sent my squad over, they didnt even notice the goblin the the square next to them.

what am I doing wrong?

:I noticed the same thing - starting on a goblin fort and all the goblins are FRIENDLY in the view unit screen. (40d) Anybody? --[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 12:22, 18 February 2009 (EST)

::I would guess that they're friendly goblins. Depending on how worldgen goes, it's possible (though uncommon) for a dwarven civilization to be on good terms with a goblin civilization. When that happens and you choose to be a member of that dwarven civ upon embark, moving in next to goblins is no different than moving in next to humans or elves usually is. Goblins will even send trade caravans to friendly dwarven forts that are accessible. They're not really any different than the other races except that the values the worldgen uses for them make them MUCH more likely to be hostile than humans or elves. [[User:Kirig Stonebeard|Kirig Stonebeard]] 03:42, 6 March 2009 (EST)
:::Nope. It's broken. As was in the last versions. You get some odd behaviour, including with goblin ambushes. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 14:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== Do HFS attack goblins? ==

I'd like to know if Hidden Fun Stuff will attack goblins (like if I released them from a cage into the path of a stampeding HFS)... this would seem strange but is there anywhere to verify whether it is true or not?--[[User:Jpwrunyan|Jpwrunyan]] 14:34, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes they do. If you start at a fortress and wall one of your dwarfs in you can watch them hunt down and slaughter every single goblin visible.

== Breeding Goblins ==

Is it possible to capture goblins of both sexes and make a Goblin farm? - [[User:Iban|Iban]] 06:30, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

== Do gobs really attack ''any'' fortress ==
It says in the main page that goblins will siege any sufficiently populous or wealthy fortress. Is this true even if the fortress does not have contact with a goblin civ? Further, what about thieves and ambushes? Are some or all of those attacks absent without civ contact? --[[User:Thrillho|Thrillho]] 16:20, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Goblins will not seige you if they can't reach you, if you are on an island or in an area like within a mountain range valley that has no access to goblins, they won't siege you. Only your parent civ will reach you. --[[User:radical|radical]] 07:31, 24 January 2010 (EST)

40d Talk:Cave spider

2009-11-01T22:20:42Z

Radical:

==Vermin?==
Is cave spider a vermin or what? Haven't seen any, although the webs are reappearing every so often.--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 00:22, 17 January 2008 (EST)
:Yes. I believe the small ones are regular vermin. The Giant ones on the other hand... [[User:Jikor|Jikor]] 04:38, 17 January 2008 (EST)
::The seem to be especially invisible vermin. If you want to see one you just need to look longer. They also seem to like covering their caves with miasma from rotting olms... --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 08:08, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

== Spider bites ==

My cats keep being bit by cave spiders and walking around stunned. What does this mean for me? Are my dwarf's pets going to die and drive them to the brink of insanity? --[[User:Wafl|Wafl]] 13:24, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
:A cave spider bite causes the victim to randomly get inflicted with the status condition "stun" for the rest of the victim's life. This is not fatal, and in the case of a pet, not really important. --[[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 13:36, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
::I had one of my Dwarves bitten by one. He randomly gets stunned, for the past year... It's annoying, but they continue doing what they were last. [[User:Aaron5367|Aaron5367]] 16:19, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
:::The [EXTRACT_PERMANENT] token would seem to suggest that the "intermittent stun" effect is permanent. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:30, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

== Not just cats ==

Had several different tame animals bitten, no sign of stun so far. - Sheltem

== Cold weather ==
Are they present in cold climates? can anyone confirm? -- [[User:Vaevictus|Vaevictus]] 23:44, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

:From what I can tell, they are present underground, anywhere there is a chasm of some sort. They teleport like other vermin. [[User:Aaron5367|Aaron5367]] 16:22, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

== Silk Farming ==

I would love to see some of the ideas from various [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=28728.0 posts] in the forums to consistently and successfully farm silk from a captured cave spider (of any kind.) [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 21:33, 1 January 2009 (EST)

== Webs and Vermin ==

I noticed that vermin that walk into the webs end up becoming remains immediately. This isn't listed anywhere and I don't really know where to put this information. --[[User:Mokkom|Mokkom]] 00:43, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== Caves vs Chasms ==

Do "caves" have their own biome tag? I had the impression (Ignorant of this detail of the game, sorry) they overlapped by default, caves just being rarer, but anything in a chasm could show in a cave - no?--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 17:26, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Climbing Spiders? ==

I noticed this in my most recent fotress though I thought it to be a bit odd. I dug a staircase vertically down into a underground pool, besides the hole in the ceiling, there was no other way out, the strange thing is (besides the fact that there were even spiders in the pool considering there was no flat ground to stand on) cave spider silk is now covering a good portion of the lower part of my map. I find it odd because I am in a freezing rocky wasteland biome and there were no spiders until after I dug the hole. --[[User:radical|radical]] 05:19, 1 November 2009 (EST)

40d Talk:Cave spider

2009-11-01T22:19:53Z

Radical:

==Vermin?==
Is cave spider a vermin or what? Haven't seen any, although the webs are reappearing every so often.--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 00:22, 17 January 2008 (EST)
:Yes. I believe the small ones are regular vermin. The Giant ones on the other hand... [[User:Jikor|Jikor]] 04:38, 17 January 2008 (EST)
::The seem to be especially invisible vermin. If you want to see one you just need to look longer. They also seem to like covering their caves with miasma from rotting olms... --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 08:08, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

== Spider bites ==

My cats keep being bit by cave spiders and walking around stunned. What does this mean for me? Are my dwarf's pets going to die and drive them to the brink of insanity? --[[User:Wafl|Wafl]] 13:24, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
:A cave spider bite causes the victim to randomly get inflicted with the status condition "stun" for the rest of the victim's life. This is not fatal, and in the case of a pet, not really important. --[[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 13:36, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
::I had one of my Dwarves bitten by one. He randomly gets stunned, for the past year... It's annoying, but they continue doing what they were last. [[User:Aaron5367|Aaron5367]] 16:19, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
:::The [EXTRACT_PERMANENT] token would seem to suggest that the "intermittent stun" effect is permanent. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 20:30, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

== Not just cats ==

Had several different tame animals bitten, no sign of stun so far. - Sheltem

== Cold weather ==
Are they present in cold climates? can anyone confirm? -- [[User:Vaevictus|Vaevictus]] 23:44, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

:From what I can tell, they are present underground, anywhere there is a chasm of some sort. They teleport like other vermin. [[User:Aaron5367|Aaron5367]] 16:22, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

== Silk Farming ==

I would love to see some of the ideas from various [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=28728.0 posts] in the forums to consistently and successfully farm silk from a captured cave spider (of any kind.) [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 21:33, 1 January 2009 (EST)

== Webs and Vermin ==

I noticed that vermin that walk into the webs end up becoming remains immediately. This isn't listed anywhere and I don't really know where to put this information. --[[User:Mokkom|Mokkom]] 00:43, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== Caves vs Chasms ==

Do "caves" have their own biome tag? I had the impression (Ignorant of this detail of the game, sorry) they overlapped by default, caves just being rarer, but anything in a chasm could show in a cave - no?--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 17:26, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Climbing Spiders? ==

I noticed this in my most recent fotress though I thought it to be a bit odd. I a staircase vertically down into a underground pool, besides the hole in the ceiling, there was no other way out, the strange thing is (besides the fact that there were even spiders in the pool considering there was no flat ground to stand on) cave spider silk is now covering a good portion of the lower part of my map. I find it odd because I am in a freezing rocky wasteland biome and there were no spiders until after I dug the hole. --[[User:radical|radical]] 05:19, 1 November 2009 (EST)

User:Radical

2009-05-03T23:14:13Z

Radical: Created page with 'Oi wutr ya doin en mah page?!'

Oi wutr ya doin en mah page?!

40d Talk:Dungeon master

2009-05-03T23:13:02Z

Radical:

Anyone know what triggers the dungeon master now? I have absolutely NO coins whatsoever and he just showed up at the start of my 4th spring. [[User:Rpb|Rpb]] 11:54, 8 November 2007 (EST)

Is there a point to the image? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 01:38, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:I think it's there to show what skills the Dungeon Master starts with. Putting the same in plain text would work better, methinks. --[[User:Zirik|Zirik]] 03:08, 9 November 2007 (EST)

::My oppinion also. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 00:45, 10 November 2007 (EST)

He showed up here in summer 1055 with the 'normal'/standard skill level in those four skills mentioned in the article (Animal Trainer, Animal Caretaker, Furnace Operator, Metal Crafter). I've got no coins either. Created wealth was around 70k, around 60-70 dwarves. Maybe it's the number of pets? I have 123.--[[User:SL|SL]] 00:43, 11 November 2007 (EST)

:Probably not. I got him in 1054 with no more than 25 animals, and had passed 70k wealth long ago so that wasn't it either. Number of dwarves? 1054 would have been the first year after I hit 50 dwarves, which might be the case with yours as well. [[User:Rpb|Rpb]] 01:36, 11 November 2007 (EST)

:When I got him, I had 57 dwarves. The requirement is probably 50 dwarves, we all have that number in common. --[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 10:19, 11 November 2007 (EST)

:I dont think the requirement is 50 dwarves, i have the dungeon master arrive when i was nearing the 80 Mark, and had a wealth of around 200k. --[[User:Fedaykin|Fedaykin]] 20:48, 15 November 2007 (EST)
::Were you nearing the 80 mark BEFORE or AFTER the migration when he showed up? A requirement of 50 dwarves to trigger him would mean you would probably have 70+ dwarves by the time he actually arrives, since he generally shows up at the same time as 20 other immigrants.
:::It was before the migration ofcourse, ill try it again when i have time [[User:Fedaykin|Fedaykin]] 14:44, 17 November 2007 (EST)
:My numbers were 68 dwarves (I went from 36 to 60+ in the last wave), roughly 2.7M in wealth (and I'd been over 1M for years) in year 1056 with a moderate number of pets and no coins. I'd also dug to the deepest level the first year, in case folks were considering that as a criterion. I have fought numerous slugmen, goblins and kobolds, but nothing exotic (I had to reload after the dragon arrived and burned everything down). Bear in mind that if there's a pop requirement, then it's important how many you have before the DM arrives, but it's equally important how many you had before the ''previous'' wave. Those numbers form the bounds. So if you had 80 before the DM arrived, but 31 of them arrived or were born in that last wave, then this will have been the first time the caravan saw you with 50+ pop. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 01:56, 20 November 2007 (EST)

I think his arrival might be related to your stored animals. He seems to arrive for me whenever I get my first goblin in a cage trap. [[User:Moonman|Moonman]] 09:04, 21 December 2007 (EST)
:I just had this happen again. My pop. went from 57 to 80 or so and it was the first wave after I had captured a dragon and some goblins. [[User:Moonman|Moonman]] 09:22, 24 December 2007 (EST)

I can confirm that he does NOT arrive simply at 50 dwarves. Just got an immigration wave that raised my pop from 52 to 60, and no DM.
--[[User:Tyrving|Tyrving]] 02:56, 22 December 2007 (EST)

How about using skill names that are shown in the game? For example armor crafting -> Armorsmith , weapon smithing -> Weaponsmith and so on. Its a bit confusing now with blacksmithing and all.

Have you considered that the DM has /a percentage based chance of arriving once you fortress reaches the population of 50?/ --[[User:Hamenopi|Hamenopi]] 07:13, 17 January 2008 (EST)

I had about 53 dwarves then an immigration wave took me up to 62 but it wasnt until the next wave which gave me 81 that I got him also in requirements says you need to discover hidden site feature, but i havent discovered anything yet. Imported wealth is 128245 Exported is 682 Created wealth is 429483 and on the off chance his arrival is related to animal numbers i have 5 trained and 21 others [[User:Thatguyyaknow|Thatguyyaknow]] 07:26, 19 January 2008 (EST) - I hadnt caught anything in a trap but i had nicked a cougar from the elves. Also I'd smithed a massive amount of gold and copper as well as some silver reckon it might be related to that? [[User:Thatguyyaknow|Thatguyyaknow]] 07:49, 19 January 2008 (EST)

I snagged the DM right as my population hit 80. I have >700K wealth (got lucky with artifacts), and hardly any jobs (as Economy requires), so I would imagine it's either a population thing, or a mix of things including population.

Here's a bit of fun to smash pretty much all the speculation so far... I've had over or around 100 dwarves for the past year or two (at 142, now), I've captured goblins, I've captured and trained vermin, I've trained war dogs, I have no coins (though we seem to know that isn't a requirement), and I have
over a million in fortress wealth. Also, nearly half a million in imported wealth. I'm fairly certain none of the previously discussed conditions are the requirement. I'm wondering if it really is 'dungeon feature' related. The only thing I haven't had is greater beasts (unless a single Titan counts).—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rabek|Rabek]] ([[User talk:Rabek|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rabek|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}

:A titan certainly would count, but that's not the 'map feature' that's required. Do you have magma, chasm, cave water, pits and/or a cave? Those might be what's the trigger, if you don't have any of those, then perhaps one (or more than one) is the trigger? I've gotten a DM without any invasions or sieges and an equally impressive amount of wealth in and out (turned off invasions cause I was tired of getting attacked while I was moving from my initial dig-in to an ideal spot). Mine came before 50 (a kid being born took me to 51,) and he came with the last migration before the birth. My site has magma, a brook, and pits. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 23:42, 27 January 2008 (EST)

::I have none of those, that I've found, so it might be one of those. I'm wishing I'd known about how to identify magma on the embark screen prior to doing this, but that's neither here nor there. I wouldn't be surprised if it's pits or magma, or maybe just any feature that has monsters. [[User:Rabek|Rabek]] 05:43, 28 January 2008 (EST)

:::Don't feel too bad, as you could consider it cheating to know what you're going to get... Us 'cheaters' will quickly call it time-saving or whatnot instead ;) Check out Regional Prospector if you haven't, and don't mind crossing that grey line. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 12:43, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Hm, the DM just arrived after 68 Dwarves, 380k Wealth and no map feature whatsoever. [[User:Drahflow|Drahflow]] 17:40, 28 January 2008 (EST)
:So you're in an area that you've revealed, and has nothing previously mentioned? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 07:19, 29 January 2008 (EST)

DM just arrived at 66 dwarfs, can't think of any map feature i have/discovered (no magma, chasm, cave, cave water, pit - however, i do have an ordinary river). I traded with the elves for a tiger, elk, camel and crocodile just before, but i already had other animals like leopard and saltwater crocodile. I have lots of animals (79), lots of war dogs (65). wealth 1818000. export 40700. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 15:20, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

hmm... my dungeon master is wearing a hood, cloak, mittens and nothing else xD [[User:Twiggie|Twiggie]] 16:49, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

In my experience, DM arrives around the fifty to sixty dwarf mark, usually in the second year. I rarely have wealth over about 100k by this time. However, I generally have a lot of cages and traps about. Maybe that's what it is?--[[User:Dadamh|Dadamh]] 14:11, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

Mine arrived in mid spring of my third year when I had about 78 dwarves (that wave of immigration bumped it up to 95), I had a wealth over 920k, and I had a visible magma vent since I arrived. --[[User:Toloran|Toloran]] 19:12, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

:84 Dwarfs, 2.6 million wealth, struck adamantine a year ago, no Dungeon Master. Which "site features" trigger the DM? Edit: Dungeon Master arrives, no further discoveries, 87 Dwarfs, 5.6 million wealth. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 13:54, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

== Cloak obsession ==

Should there be something about the DM's taste in clothes? --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 18:07, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

:My current DM is sporting no less then 8 cloaks in various states of disrepair. There might be something to this. Anyone else confirm? --[[User:Mikaka|Mikaka]] 04:12, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

:Correction: 10 cloaks, and on his way to get another. Also, disturbingly the only other clothes he has are mittens, shoes, and a hood. What the hell. --[[User:Mikaka|Mikaka]] 04:14, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

:My DM arrived with a cloak, a hood, and two mittens. He immediately stole a used sock from someone's cabinet. Pretty bold for someone that spends all their time smelting steel. Nope, check that, he has two cloaks, and still no real clothes. Are all DM's male? I can't think of a single DM in all my forts that was female. [[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 09:53, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
::My DM is female, has 2 cloaks, a hood, a pair of mittens, 3 socks, and one shoe. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 13:27, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
:::try making some underwear? perhaps he's trying to stay warm... in fashion.
::Well, you see, being a Dungeon Master involves a certain sort of gear... be thankful that the Toady One hasn't implemented gimp masks yet (although now I'm flashing back to seeing clips of the Jerry Springer show with their "sex therapist" Thor, the dominatrix dwarf...). -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 09:07, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:::Would a leather mask with menacing spikes (possibly also of leather) and studded with metal really be any different? [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 12:55, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
::::I've had one who wandered around with nothing but 12 cloaks and a pair of shoes, despite abundant other clothes available. Current game he arrived with mittens, a hood, and a cloak. I haven't made any clothes yet... --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 16:15, 12 December 2008 (EST)

== Dead Dungeon master ==

My Dungeon master showed up, wandered into a river, and drowned. Is there a chance another is coming?

Yes you will. When mine died I used Dwarf Companion to revive him. The next migrant wave, there is a second one. So right now I've got two Dungeon Masters.

== Likes ==
Does every Dungeon Master like Copper, Silver, Electrum, Gold, and Platinum? As a long-time Dungeons and Dragons player, that list looks like a shout-out to AD&D. --[[User:Dornbeast|Dornbeast]] 01:43, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

== There IS a way of adjusting jobs? ==

Just use the DwarfManager program that comes with the game.
So shouldn't the 'no way of adjusting a noble's jobs' bit be removed/changed? Don't know how to myself otherwise I would've already.
– [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Gloooo Flumo|Gloooo Flumo]]

:Dwarf Manager doesn't come with the game. It's a third-party program. As such, I don't think this section should be changed because there is no in-game way to change noble jobs. And please sign your additions to talk pages, it makes it easier to follow. Thanks. --[[User:Mithra|Mithra]] 15:24, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

== My dungeon master does not follow these lines ==

He arrived alone when my population was 154. I also have no water or magma on my map.

I did however discover a hidden chasm the winter before he arrived. Was that feature (the one mentioned in the article added?
--[[User:radical|radical]] 07:12, 3 May 2009 (EST)

40d Talk:Dungeon master

2009-05-03T23:12:43Z

Radical:

40d Talk:Dungeon master

2009-05-03T04:53:39Z

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