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User talk:Zippy

2022-09-14T10:43:04Z

Opdagon: /* Why can't we have an accurate picture of the Green Devourer? */

== Images ==

Glad to see you're able to edit now. I wanted to make you aware that you added [[:File:Humansprev.png]] to the [[v0.34:Human]] page, which is from an older DF version. You'll usually want to make sure to edit the newest one (currently "DF2014"), but feel free to edit older ones too, of course.

Also - are these images you created? The "some website" that was selected for the license in [[:File:Humansprev.png]], [[:File:Dragonprev.png]], and [[:File:Elf_preview.jpg]] concerns me a bit. If you made these images yourself, that's fine, but otherwise, providing attribution helps avoid issues.

If you want to use images that are on [https://commons.wikimedia.org/ WikiMedia Commons], then you actually don't have to upload them to this wiki to use them (in fact, please don't, because there's no point in us rehosting them). I'm not seeing your recent images on there, though, so that's more of a note for future reference.
—[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 20:46, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
:Do I have your permission to spice up some of the templates of tables? I could make some look better and "cleaner" than they do now. - [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 15:28, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
::Which tables are you thinking of? IMO consistency is good, but some are likely using an older style. As for changing the default look of the wiki, I haven't put much thought into that. The upcoming upgrade does look ''slightly'' different, and you can see an example [https://www.catsplode.com/index.php/DF2014:Cat here], but that's mostly just some font changes in the newer Mediawiki version. If you know CSS, you can test out your own changes at [[Special:Mypage/common.css]] if you like. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 01:45, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
:::Sorry but I'm not seeing much of a difference of that cat page. - [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 10:18, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

== Reuploading images ==

You mentioned an issue with reuploading images [[User_talk:Lethosor#Creature_font|here]]. I finally got around to testing this, and uploading something different on [[:File:Strangechasm.PNG]] worked for me. How big was the image you were trying to upload? Does it work now? —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 00:46, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
:Yeah, file re-uploading works now. So far. I also finally fixed the creature list by making the "Courier New" font the "priority font". Does the list look okay to you? If I broke something, I'll gladly change it all back. You can also revert whatever change *you* made, if you want. -- [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 03:35, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
::Weird, I'm pretty sure we didn't change anything, but glad it works now. The creature table looks fine to me too - thanks for handling that. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 22:47, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
:::Are you comfortable changing the main CSS so the links appear as different colors? I changed my personal CSS page to make them look brown, and they look waaaayy better that way. -- [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 05:27, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
::::I'd say no, because that's a personal preference (they could also be confused for redlinks, and Mediawiki displays stub links as a brownish color when configured in [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering]]). That's why Mediawiki lets you have user-specific styles, though. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 14:50, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::The idea isn't just about me. I bring this up because right now, the wiki looks super generic. At least color wise. -- [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 08:01, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
::::::That's not a bad thing, though. Blue links are a convention, not just specific to Mediawiki, and we don't want to confuse or distract people from the content too much. I do like what you did with the navboxes like {{tl|DF2014 materials}} and {{tl|DF2014 world}}, by the way. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 00:10, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Are you comfortable changing the links to a different type of blue for originality? Also, this wiki keeps signing me in and out at random times, is that going on for you too? -- [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 06:49, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
::::::::No, although I used to have issues when I was switching between HTTP and HTTPS versions of pages, since logging in on https://dwarffortresswiki.org doesn't log you in on http://dwarffortresswiki.org and vice versa. Can you check both of those links, or take note of the protocol when you see the issue again and see if it has changed? —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 01:29, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::The "s" link logs me in just fine and the non-s one logs me out. The site seems to be fine with the "s" link. I know you might care about this but... can you give me CSS style a try? The default wiki looks so horribly boring, and this wiki is for one of the greatest games of all time, so even slightly changing link colors would be a plus. This wiki doesn't deserve mega-boring default colors. -- [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 12:26, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

== Templates ==
Regarding the check marks you added to some pages like [[DF2014:Wetland]] - those are cool, but that's really something that should use a template, so I've moved it over to {{tl|check}}. Templates are preferable for consistency and maintainability - if we ever have to change the color or the symbol for some reason, making sure the change gets made in thousands of places is way more effort than changing it in one place. It is possible to get carried away with templates (Wikipedia's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Tick tick template] has at least 10 alternatives - let's stick with one here), but for something like this, please don't hesitate to make a template. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 00:10, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
:I don't know if you noticed, but I fixed up some of the license templates for the images. I want to do the same for the first four license selections but they come up as "👍 Uploaded with permission from the creator to use only for non-commercial and/or educational purposes."... I don't know how to edit that, could you help me out there? -- [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 04:21, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
::Sorry for the delay - something separate like this is fine to post on my talk page. Anyway, since it's been a while, can you link me to one of those images so I can see what's going on? —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 04:24, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
:::If you pick certain licenses for uploaded images, selecting some lead to broken things like "{{subst:something license}}" instead of properly showing something. --[[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 06:41, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
::::Understood, but can you link to one that's broken? I would prefer not to upload images to test out every license. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 22:32, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
::::Ok, I think I understand what the issue was now. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Substitution "subst:"] is a special prefix for templates that causes their contents to be pasted in when the page that includes them is saved (which means that template updates won't affect past inclusions of the template). We don't really use it much on this wiki - {{tl|unsigned}} is about the only example I can think of. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:No_license_from_license_selector&action=edit Wikipedia] uses subst for these because they want the date when the template was first included to be pasted into the page (which is also what {{tl|unsigned}} does), but I don't think we care about that for these license templates. Anyway, I [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Licenses&diff=249061&oldid=183947 removed subst], so new images should use the templates corresponding to whatever is before the first ``|`` character (e.g. [[Template:No license from license selector]]). Unfortunately, there may not be a way to force pages that already used subst, like [[:File:Grasshopper Man with Scroll.jpg]], to update. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 22:42, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

== How to put this... ==
...not really looking for it per se, but nevertheless... *thumbsup* [http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=1&diff=246056&oldid=246054 nice edit]? [[User:Silverwing235|Silverwing235]] ([[User talk:Silverwing235|talk]]) 18:16, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

IMHO, this is finally [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=1&diff=249830&oldid=249829 workable] after a year or so lying fallow....good work, anyway. [[User:Silverwing235|Silverwing235]] ([[User talk:Silverwing235|talk]]) 17:43, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

== Creepy Crawler pic ==

I would assume from the description it's more like a starfish made of fingers than a spider. Sorry for leaving this here but it wouldn't let me edit the article's talk page. --[[Special:Contributions/35.191.8.96|35.191.8.96]] 07:56, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
:Yeah, I noticed that an hour after I posted it. Meh, I'll just redraw it. [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 19:56, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

== Copyright issues with images ==

Hi,

there is an ongoing discussion about images and copyright infringement at [[Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki_talk:Copyrights#Images_and_copyright_infringement]]. You have uploaded many files with copyright issues, so could you please take a look at the discussion and explain your point of view? It would be very helpful if you could tell where you have got the images from. [[User:Tanamoril|Tanamoril]] ([[User talk:Tanamoril|talk]]) 08:16, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
:I know I already posted this in the other talk page, but a lot of the images I got were either posted on Reddit (where I asked the creators directly if I could use their stuff, and they said yes, as long as I credit them) or from DeviantArt, Pinterest or Instragram, which had the Creative License right there on the page. -- [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 01:23, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

== Copyright issues, again ==

Hi,

the photo you recently uploaded, [[:File:Seeds preview.jpg]], seems to be a copyright violation. You say that it "is public domain from gardentech.com". You took the image [https://www.gardentech.com/blog/how-to-guides/how-to-start-a-vegetable-garden from this article], right? I am genuinely curious: how did you arrive to the conclusion that the image is public domain? On that article, there is no mention of public domain, or any image license for that matter, as far as I can tell. The [https://www.gardentech.com/terms Terms and Conditions] (specifically sections 1, 2, 3 and 6) of the site explicitly say that all images are protected by copyright and may not be used without a specific permission.

In fact, the image of seeds is not public domain, but [https://www.alamy.com/search/imageresults.aspx?pseudoid=%7b3010441C-FF07-4962-B893-F23C45DFF55E%7d&name=SunFlowerStudio&st=11&mode=0&comp=1 SunnyFlowerStudio's] photo sold on [https://www.alamy.com/hands-planting-the-seeds-into-the-dirt-image235850598.html Alamy].

Gardentech has a good terms and conditions page in terms of copyright: it is very clear in that it doesn't allow the reuse of its images. However, I want to make something clear: by default, all art, including photos, is protected by copyright. That means that if you find an image on a website, and the site in questions does not in any way tell you whether you can use its images in DFwiki, you are not allowed to use the images. Only a clear permission to use the image in public, non-commercial projects or DFwiki specifically mean that you are allowed to upload the image to this wiki. For a good example of a site that actually features public domain images, look at [https://visualsonline.cancer.gov/details.cfm?imageid=9693 National Cancer Institute Visuals Online]. The "Reuse restrictions" at the bottom of the image info plainly tells that the image is public domain.

I know you have put a lot of effort into adding images to this wiki, but I gently recommend you to cease uploading photos until you have internalised how image copyrights work on the Internet.
[[File:India - Varanasi green peas - 2714.jpg|thumb|274px|Some seeds are edible, either raw or cooked.]] If you want to continue illustrating DFwiki with photos, I suggest you try using images from Wikimedia Commons. Files on Wikimedia Commons are always licensed so that they can be used on this wiki as well. When using commons images, you don't need to upload the images on this wiki: simply typing <code><nowiki>[[File:India - Varanasi green peas - 2714.jpg|thumb|274px|Some seeds are edible, either raw or cooked.]]</nowiki></code> shows the image on right, even though the image has never been uploaded to DFwiki, the file being in [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:India_-_Varanasi_green_peas_-_2714.jpg Commons.] [[User:Tanamoril|Tanamoril]] ([[User talk:Tanamoril|talk]]) 17:04, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
:I removed the seeds image. I will now use a specialized search for images that do not have a copyright on them. I'm probably gonna have to draw everything myself. -- [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 05:25, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

'''Comment''': Finding a perfect image can be hard, finding one with a permission to use is nigh impossible ;) though you did great job with your recent find on [[DF2014:Night_creature]].

In my experience, if we can use an image its explicitly stated so, and there are few sources that host a large variety of those that suit our purpose. As for specialized searches, I had poor experience with google image search engine with user rights setting, I find it better to limit search to specific dedicated sites for example:

{| class=wikitable
| Commons || google image search: "search term site:https://commons.wikimedia.org"
|-
| DeviantArt|| google article search: "search term creative-commons site:deviantart.com/"
|}

Probably many others like [https://openclipart.org/detail/292259/caveman-frame openclipart]. As for drawing, not sure what your art style is, but [https://www.deanspencerart.com/blackwhite deanspencer] has a huge collection of filler art that might inspire you. I hope this helps. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 11:18, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

=== Again ===
Copyright issues, again: [[:File:Infected_blue_ghoul.jpg]], [https://www.deviantart.com/scottpurdy/art/Ghoul-196557534 original]. Google search can only point the way but you still need the license to be stated explicitly. For licensing purpose, it doesn't matter if the image was posted many times on facebook or if someone tagged it as creative common (we too had a lot of content tagged like that by mistake) its the same as googling tv shows on youtube, you can find some that hasn't been removed yet, but everyone knows its pirating. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 10:55, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
:This is starting to piss me off. Didn't one of us already ask this exact dude if we could use some of his stuff? This is confusing the hell out of me. I don't know if you knew this, but DeviantArt not only changed their layout recently, but MANY settings on license options. There were a few images on here that *I* helped airbrush years ago. Not that I'm using this as an excuse, but some of these images are absolutely plastered eeeeeverywheeeere on the net. I don't understand how we get slammed and no one else does. I'm gonna find my drawpad, my copies of Photoshop and Illustrator and doing this crap myself. I'd hope others here would do the same. -- [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 11:33, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
:: If you created the image, have permission from the creator, have source where they released it under a suitable license etc then state that. But there is no license for found it on google and everyone else does it.
:: Otherwise, I whole heartedly agree that this can be frustrating, but we don't make the rules. I did suggest couple of ways above that might help you in your searches. I also hope more people will create DF art that we can use, unfortunately most aren't aware of your plight here, maybe you can take it further and create some sort of community art thread ([https://twitter.com/DwarfFortArt/status/1143933685500170240 akin to this]) where people are asked to state if they give permission to use it on the wiki. -[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 13:04, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

::No, we haven't contacted ScottPurdy. When looking for art to use on this wiki, you need to put a little bit of effort into figuring out if the art is licensed under Creative Commons or something similar, unfortunately Google's filter isn't foolproof:
::* Does it seem like the image was uploaded by the artist? If the image is on DeviantArt, Artstation, an artist's blog or website, it most likely was uploaded by the original artist. If the image appears on Pinterest, a wiki, an article, or a blog which features lots of different art, it probably wasn't uploaded by the original artist. You need to find where the art was originally uploaded to see which license applies to the art.
::* Read the image description: the artist might state there how they feel about reusing the art. The description can also tell if the art is taken from somewhere else, or if the copyright holder is someone other than the artist.
::* Does the page directly state that the image has a Creative Commons license or similar? If not, don't use the art on this wiki. On DeviantArt, this is mentioned at the bottom of the image description, above the comments.
::* If you find an artwork you'd like to use on this wiki, but the license doesn't allow it, ask the artist first. Only if they give you permission, upload the art here. [[User:Tanamoril|Tanamoril]] ([[User talk:Tanamoril|talk]]) 14:31, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Few more:
* [[:File:Cyclops_semi.png]] and [https://www.deviantart.com/ogi-g/art/Cyclops-200374804 original] - you can't google image window shop for "free" images on shady upload sites with no monitoring capabilities. Same with [[:File:Animal_train_comic.png]] and [https://picsart.com/i/sticker-mq-safari-zoo-wildlife-animal-animals-276907033001211 original].
* [[:File:Animal train comic.png]] "Was given permission" - permission by who? what sort of permission? be specific or we can't use this.
* [[:File:Dwarf beekeeper.jpg]] - Again, if it isn't explicitly said that you can use the image(specify license) then we can't use this. Just because a site didn't put up a license notice that you can find doesn't mean the material used there in is not copyrighted. Especially when this is a blog that post images from other sources. Which in this case its review of kruggsmash so at least you should specify {{tl|permission}}
* [[:File:Sheriff_dwarf.jpg]] - again doesn't matter where it was posted what license? --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 15:11, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

And again:
* [[:File:Injured dwarf.png]] great image you found, however, I find the contrast between the detailed license info here and the lack of on [[:File:Giant_bat.png]] peculiar. Do we have a permission to use this [https://www.deviantart.com/adoptables-fur-one/art/Ahool-ADOPTABLE-459011550 copyrighted] image? --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 10:29, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Regarding [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=File:Werewolf_preview.png&curid=41002&diff=264205&oldid=263306 this edit] - what license was updated? —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 04:57, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
:I edited the wrong, sorry. -- [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 19:56, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Regarding [https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php?title=File:Pickaxe_transparent.png&curid=40839&diff=264460&oldid=263558 this edit] - per [[User:Tanamoril/Copyright_violations]], please include attribution for those images, and not just in the edit history. —[[User:Lethosor|Lethosor]] ([[User talk:Lethosor|talk]]) 04:37, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

== New image ==

What [[:File:Armok map render.png]] adds to [[world generation]] entry? We already have a lot of in-game screenshots illustrations. Showing medium/large world, animating the process and otherwise showing parts of menus relevant to what is talked about. While this render mostly shows the Arthurs skill with Inkscape. Pretty as it is, I am not sure it should stay, or at the least its description should emphasis that it isn't in-game anything (not a fancy tileset) but done manually with Inkscape (btw we have a couple of [[Utilities]] that does that automatically) and maybe a link to 'Osmlo Ospaz' succession game if it is indeed that. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 14:16, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

[[:File:Fishing docks.jpg]] very pretty image (personally, I love that style), however, i think it doesn't suits DF very well, there is no hint of ships\boats in-game fishing industry or otherwise, and here they are front and center plus very modern looking ones. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 19:42, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

== shabazik ==

Concerning this [[:File:Champ_dwarf.jpg]]. The artist, shabazik, on his page confirmed that he gave you permission to use his works. Recalling that he "[..]given permission for some non-commercial use of my works, if credited as the creator of said works". Currently the image is labelled with {{tl|Cc-by-sa-3.0}} is that license that he gave you, or was there some mixup with upload options\templates and {{tl|Permission from license selector}} is more suitable or another? --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 13:10, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
:Wouldn't either one be equally as good? -- [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 13:51, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
::For who? Tanamoril prefers cc3, but I don't care either way. Just trying to make sure that we aren't misrepresenting by mistake what was agreed on --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 21:18, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
:::What if another template was made to rectify this? -- [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 13:04, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
:::: What did he agree to? From your comment, I gather that he didn't offered it under CC3, if the same as stated above then its essentially used with permission for non-commercial use with attribution. Personally I think permission covers that, but we can also add it as free text or as special template (if common enough). I don't know anymore than that user:Tanamoril‎ is the copyright master, I just wanted to figure if we can use more of his fantastic work. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] ([[User talk:Jan|talk]]) 19:05, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

== Why can't we have an accurate picture of the Green Devourer? ==

There's no reason not to have more images of a species. There's no copyright issues, and if clarity is the issue then you should look into removing the innacurate depiction by Quimael (but again, I'd prefer multiple pictures)

[[User:Opdagon|Opdagon]] ([[User talk:Opdagon|talk]]) 11:57, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
:I don't think you understand why your image was removed. -- [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 17:43, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
::Then please explain [[User:Opdagon|Opdagon]] ([[User talk:Opdagon|talk]]) 21:13, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
:::Don't take this the wrong way, but the images you made are... not exactly the most... detailed, let's say. All the other images on other pages range from beautiful pieces of art that could almost be put in a museum to more simple drawings, but still have some significant detail to them - including the crayon drawings by the creators of the game. I'm in no way pulling any rank when I say that, because even some of the ''my'' drawings were not at Picasso level, as I had to redraw/improve them in some way. -- [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 21:34, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
::::I feel like an image is better having a few accurate details than a load of incorrect ones [[User:Opdagon|Opdagon]] ([[User talk:Opdagon|talk]]) 20:29, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
:::::Yeeeaaahhhh... This is about more than the accuracy of the image. The one you posted looks like it was made in Microsoft Paint in under a minute. I don't mean that as a personal attack, as I'm just speaking on that one image. At least add some attractive details is what I'm driving at. -- [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 01:57, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
::::::This is a wiki, not an art gallery. A bad drawing of a green devourer is much more important to have than a good drawing that gets everything wrong. And if it's really that important why don't ''you'' make a better accurate drawing? [[User:Opdagon|Opdagon]] ([[User talk:Opdagon|talk]]) 19:44, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Wiki or not, images should have at least a fraction of visual appeal to them. The entire point of wiki pages are - assuming there's enough info anyway - to make a page look as presentable as possible, and images should fall into that as well. Seeing as that I'm currently redrawing and replacing as many images here as I can, replacing your image is not exactly number one on my list right now. I'm starting to get the feeling that you're offended. Also, not every creature image here is perfectly accurate, including ones not posted by me. Accuracy or not, something should always be presentable. A Microsoft Paint image that's just an outline and some fill tool clicks is not presentable. A page would probably look better without an image at all than that. -- [[User:Zippy|Zippy]] ([[User talk:Zippy|talk]]) 19:03, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
:::::::: "assuming there's enough info anyway" What if there isn't? What if all the details of a creature's body are presented only in the form of a baroque chunk of code hidden at the base of the page? You're also dismissing all the effort that went into the image beyond simply drawing it: The research of comparing real animals to their raws, working out what sort of animal the Devourer is, justifying every organ and joint on its body to produce a creature both realistic and canonical to the game [[User:Opdagon|Opdagon]] ([[User talk:Opdagon|talk]]) 10:43, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

User talk:Zippy

2022-09-06T19:44:11Z

Opdagon: /* Why can't we have an accurate picture of the Green Devourer? */

User talk:Zippy

2022-09-01T20:29:59Z

Opdagon: /* Why can't we have an accurate picture of the Green Devourer? */

User talk:Zippy

2022-08-27T21:13:31Z

Opdagon: /* Why can't we have an accurate picture of the Green Devourer? */

Green devourer

2022-08-21T11:57:04Z

Opdagon:

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'''Green devourers''' are very rare [[creature]]s who inhabit the second and third layers of the [[cavern]]s. These tentacled monsters, with each tendril ending in a toothy mouth, spawn individually and wander the underground, potentially picking fights with other creatures who provoke them (like passing [[dwarves]]). They are as large as [[human]]s and may deliver some nasty damage to unarmed civilians with their bites, but an armored squad will have very little problem dispatching them.

A dead green devourer can be [[butcher]]ed for a fair amount of returns, except bones, as they, bizarrely, lack those. Products made from their parts are [[Item value|worth]] 3 times more than those made from common domestic animals. Green devourers possess a [[Pet#Pet value|pet value]] of 200, but lack the necessary tokens to be [[Animal trainer|trainable]].

Unlike most creatures, green devourers can't be spawned in the [[object testing arena]].

Some dwarves [[Preferences|like]] green devourers for their ''bizarre appearance''.

[[File:devourer_preview.jpg|thumb|250px|center|Stuff of night terrors. ''Art by Quinmael'']]

[[File:devourer_preview_2.png|thumb|250px|center|Second depiction in standard anatomical position. ''Art by Rhynca-Rook'']]

{{Translation| dwarven = omer noshtath | elvish = liba famolo | goblin = astru usmka | human = el stom}}

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User talk:Zippy

2022-08-21T11:57:00Z

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Magma crab

2022-03-20T08:27:59Z

Opdagon: Oops

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A '''magma crab''' is a small [[magma]]-dwelling [[creature]] that has the unique ability to spit globs of liquid [[basalt]] in small quantities. It does so at a very fast rate when at range, but if confronted in close quarters, they can only defend themselves with a weak [[push]] attack. The basalt spit is a very small and incredibly hot glob of the stuff and as such only burns areas it hits, generally melting off the fat of that body part. It should be noted however that this can be exceptionally deadly, especially to smaller [[dwarves]] if they're struck multiple times, as they rapidly bleed until all the fat on the hit parts is melted away. Alternatively, the magma crab's spit may hit some [[cave moss]] and set it alight, causing a cavern-wide [[fire]] which is certainly deadly to dwarves.

Due to having few organs, magma crabs are quite resilient, but they can be killed relatively easily by just about any conventional means due to their small size, from [[cave-in]] [[trap]]s and [[Crossbowman|marksdwarves]] to having a [[mace]]- or [[war hammer|hammerdwarf]] bash it enough times to crush its body. Using militia dwarves can potentially result in fatalities as dwarves are easily hit by the basalt spit, though soldiers with enough skill in [[shield]] use may come out unscathed. Overall, if you leave an open path from their home, magma crabs can be quite disrupting and dangerous, but any potential threat can be neutralized if you wall off any magma access before or after they appear, sealing them in and your dwarves out. Magma crabs cannot be [[butcher]]ed, so the only use of their [[corpse]]s is filling your [[refuse]] [[stockpile]].

Before 0.40, magma crabs used to spit solid basalt rather than liquid (this was a bug), and were therefore much more [[fun]] as they could easily break dwarves into pieces. Despite their description, they are not actually [[crab]]-like - they are essentially crawling heads with a pair of flightless wings, being devoid of legs or pincers which actual crabs possess, they actually more resemble [[hungry head]]s than crabs. Magma crabs possess a [[pet]] value of 200, but lack the necessary tokens to be [[Animal trainer|trainable]]. Additionally, they can't be spawned in the [[object testing arena]].

Some dwarves like magma crabs for their ''chittering''.

[[File:magma_crab.png|thumb|300px|center|Not handshake-friendly. ''Art by Piper.t'']]

[[File:Magma_Crab_Accurate.png|thumb|300px|center|It's not much like a crab... ''Art by Rhynca-Rook'']]

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Magma crab

2022-03-13T11:09:47Z

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A '''magma crab''' is a small [[magma]]-dwelling [[creature]] that has the unique ability to spit globs of liquid [[basalt]] in small quantities. It does so at a very fast rate when at range, but if confronted in close quarters, they can only defend themselves with a weak [[push]] attack. The basalt spit is a very small and incredibly hot glob of the stuff and as such only burns areas it hits, generally melting off the fat of that body part. It should be noted however that this can be exceptionally deadly, especially to smaller [[dwarves]] if they're struck multiple times, as they rapidly bleed until all the fat on the hit parts is melted away. Alternatively, the magma crab's spit may hit some [[cave moss]] and set it alight, causing a cavern-wide [[fire]] which is certainly deadly to dwarves.

Due to having few organs, magma crabs are quite resilient, but they can be killed relatively easily by just about any conventional means due to their small size, from [[cave-in]] [[trap]]s and [[Crossbowman|marksdwarves]] to having a [[mace]]- or [[war hammer|hammerdwarf]] bash it enough times to crush its body. Using militia dwarves can potentially result in fatalities as dwarves are easily hit by the basalt spit, though soldiers with enough skill in [[shield]] use may come out unscathed. Overall, if you leave an open path from their home, magma crabs can be quite disrupting and dangerous, but any potential threat can be neutralized if you wall off any magma access before or after they appear, sealing them in and your dwarves out. Magma crabs cannot be [[butcher]]ed, so the only use of their [[corpse]]s is filling your [[refuse]] [[stockpile]].

Before 0.40, magma crabs used to spit solid basalt rather than liquid (this was a bug), and were therefore much more [[fun]] as they could easily break dwarves into pieces. Despite their description, they are not actually [[crab]]-like - they are essentially crawling heads with a pair of flightless wings, being devoid of legs or pincers which actual crabs possess, they actually more resemble [[hungry head]]s than crabs. Magma crabs possess a [[pet]] value of 200, but lack the necessary tokens to be [[Animal trainer|trainable]]. Additionally, they can't be spawned in the [[object testing arena]].

Some dwarves like magma crabs for their ''chittering''.

[[File:magma_crab.png|thumb|300px|center|Not handshake-friendly. ''Art by Piper.t'']]

[[File:Magma_Crab_Accurate.png|thumb|300px|center|It's not much like a crab... ''Art by Piper.t'']]

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2022-03-13T11:09:18Z

Opdagon: A magma crab

== Summary ==
A magma crab

Floating guts

2022-03-13T11:01:11Z

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'''Floating guts''' are disturbing subterranean [[creature]]s that appear to be little more than slimes containing a set of organs, found at the second and third layer of the [[cavern]]s. Because of this lack of body parts, it's extremely easy to damage organs on them, and thus relatively easy to kill. They have no attacks except for the default [[push]], which may sometimes injure unarmored [[dwarves]].

These can be trained as exotic [[pet]]s with an [[animal trainer]], having a value of 10. They are genderless though and live to maximum of 30 years, so your supply is limited to what you find on embark. Butchering one will give you a small amount of [[meat]] items and some raw hide, so they are of very limited use.

Unlike most creatures, they may not be spawned in the [[object testing arena]].

Some dwarves [[Preferences|like]] floating guts for their ''freakish appearance''.

[[File:Floating guts drawing.png|thumb|center|400px|{{prefstring caption}}.]]

[[File:Floating guts accurate.png|thumb|center|200px|Another drawing.]]

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2022-03-13T11:00:39Z

Opdagon: A floating guts

== Summary ==
A floating guts
== Licensing ==
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Quarry bush

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The '''quarry bush''' is one of the six known [[subterranean]] [[crop]]s, and as such, it may only be grown [[underground]]. They can be [[farming|planted]] in [[Calendar|spring, summer and autumn]].

Quarry bushes may be [[plant processing|processed]] at a [[farmer's workshop]] by selecting the {{DFtext|Process plant to bag|7:0:1}} work order. You will need an empty bag available for this task. This will result in [[bag|bags]] of quarry bush leaves, which then must be [[cooking|cooked]] in the [[kitchen]] to be edible. Quarry bushes cannot be [[brewing|brewed]] into [[alcohol]].

Processing quarry bushes at a [[farmer's workshop]] requires one [[bag]], and will produce 5 quarry bush leaves (and one rock nut) for every plant in a given stack of quarry bushes. Quarry bush leaves will be removed from their bag if taken for cooking while still in a farmer's workshop.

[[Cook]]ing quarry bush leaves can result in very large stacks of prepared food, thus saving space and [[barrel|barrels]]. In a fortress that relies on selling large, expensive stacks of prepared food, quarry bush leaves are great filler: a lavish meal made from whip wine and [[cheese|dwarven cheese]] with two stacks of quarry bush leaves for filler is worth almost ten times more than an easy meal made from wine and cheese alone.

Some [[dwarves]] [[Preferences|like]] quarry bushes for their ''gray leaves''.

==Rock nuts==

Quarry bush [[seed]]s are known as '''rock nuts'''. Although their material definition marks them as being edible raw, dwarves will '''not''' eat them.

Rock nuts can be milled at a [[millstone]] or [[quern]] into rock nut paste, using the {{k|s}} job to mill seeds/nuts to paste. This paste can then be used in cooking, or pressed at a [[screw press]] into a rock nut [[Press_cake|press cake]] and a [[jug]] of rock nut [[oil]].

Both the rock nut paste and rock nut press cake are cookable and considered a single food category, referred to as "rock nut" in the [[Status#Kitchen_Status_Screen|cooking permissions screen]] (not to be confused with "rock nuts", the entry for the seeds), the Stocks screen compacted view, and Prepared meal descriptions.

The rock nut oil can be cooked or used in place of tallow to make [[soap]].

Use moderation when commanding rock nuts to be converted to paste - the nuts are required to re-plant the crop; if you grind up your entire supplies, you can't grow new quarry bushes.

The main attraction of grinding up rock nuts is the production of rock nut oil as a soapmaking ingredient. Both the globs of paste and the press cakes are minimum-value cooking ingredients, at 1☼ each. When looking at cooking ingredients, the quarry bush leaves completely overshadow what can be gained from an oil-pressing operation. However, if you have a surplus of rock nuts such that you could never plant them all at once, it makes sense to use them for something productive.

==Plant Gathering==

Due to a quirk in the raws, a wild quarry bush plant growing underground (not planted) can yield 6 leaves, if placed in a [[Activity_zone#Plant_collection|gathering zone]]. A [[herbalist]] will first harvest a single leaf growth, then collect the entire plant, which can be processed as usual afterwards, for 5 more leaves.

==Food Value==

Thanks to the increased value of rock nut oil as a by-product of rock nut processing, the highest potential value of products gleaned from one quarry bush plant is 56 (five leaves at a value of 10 each, plus oil and a press cake).

*Grow time: 500
*Plant value: 2
*Spice value: 10(x5)
*Seed value: 1
*Mill value: 1
*Press cake value: 1
*Press oil value: 5

==Trivia==
Quarry bush [[seed]]s are refered to as rock nuts, despite the fact that nuts are a type of fruit, not seed.

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Green devourer

2022-03-11T20:14:15Z

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'''Green devourers''' are very rare [[creature]]s who inhabit the second and third layers of the [[cavern]]s. These tentacled monsters, with each tendril ending in a toothy mouth, spawn individually and wander the underground, potentially picking fights with other creatures who provoke them (like passing [[dwarves]]). They are as large as [[human]]s and may deliver some nasty damage to unarmed civilians with their bites, but an armored squad will have very little problem dispatching them.

A dead green devourer can be [[butcher]]ed for a fair amount of returns, with the exception of bones, as they, bizarrely enough, lack those. Products made from their parts are [[Item value|worth]] 3 times more than those made from common domestic animals. Green devourers possess a [[Pet#Pet value|pet value]] of 200, but lack the necessary tokens to be [[Animal trainer|trainable]].

Unlike most creatures, green devourers can't be spawned in the [[object testing arena]].

Some dwarves [[Preferences|like]] green devourers for their ''bizarre appearance''.

[[File:devourer_preview.jpg|thumb|250px|center|Stuff of night terrors. ''Art by Quinmael'']]
[[File:devourer_preview_2.png|thumb|250px|center|Second depiction in standard anatomical position. ''Art by Rhynca-Rook'']]

{{Translation| dwarven = omer noshtath | elvish = liba famolo | goblin = astru usmka | human = el stom}}

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Creature examples

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This page was created to aid those looking to create new creatures. Those familiar with creature raws should feel free to add helpful/obscure information to the lists below to help less-experienced members of the community with their creatures.

==Dummy creatures==
Creatures that are not intended to function in general gameplay, but are used as references or in interactions (the latter of which can mostly be found [[DF2014:interaction examples|here]]).

===Material Resource Creature===
Sometimes, you will want to use a custom material in an interaction that is not related to any specific creature or stone. In general, however, you should avoid creating INORGANIC materials that are not intended to be regular stone or metal. Although the [SPECIAL] tag will prevent it from appearing in most places, titans and forgotten beasts can still be composed of it, which will often cause things like creatures wandering onto the site and instantly exploding. Instead, create a dummy creature to store any special materials, and reference that creature instead.

{{gamedata|title=Material resource creature|
[CREATURE:MATERIALS]
[NAME:creature:creatures:creature]
[CASTE_NAME:creature:creatures:creature]
[DESCRIPTION:A living being of unknown description.]
[ARENA_RESTRICTED]
[DOES_NOT_EXIST]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE][PREFIX:NONE]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BURNING:STONE_TEMPLATE][PREFIX:NONE][STATE_NAME_ADJ:SOLID:flame magic][MELTING_POINT:0][BOILING_POINT:1][MAT_FIXED_TEMP:35000][DISPLAY_COLOR:6:0:1]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BURNING_STRONG:STONE_TEMPLATE][PREFIX:NONE][STATE_NAME_ADJ:SOLID:flame magic][MELTING_POINT:0][BOILING_POINT:1][MAT_FIXED_TEMP:90000][DISPLAY_COLOR:6:0:1]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:FREEZING:SWEAT_TEMPLATE][STATE_NAME:ALL:ice magic][STATE_ADJ:ALL:frigid][ENTERS_BLOOD][PREFIX:NONE][STATE_COLOR:ALL:WHITE][DISPLAY_COLOR:7:0:1][EVAPORATES][MELTING_POINT:NONE][BOILING_POINT:4000][HEATDAM_POINT:4001][SPEC_HEAT:1]
}}

===Instantly-evaporating creature===
To make a creature instantly "poof" into a fine mist, you can transform them into this.
{{gamedata|title=Instantly evaporating creature|
[CREATURE:POOF]
[ARENA_RESTRICTED]
[DOES_NOT_EXIST]
[DESCRIPTION:A creature that has evaporated.]
[NAME:fine mist:fine mists:fine mist]
[CASTE_NAME:fine mist:fine mists:fine mist]
[CREATURE_TILE:250][COLOR:0:0:0]
[NOT_BUTCHERABLE]
[BODY:BASIC_1PARTBODY]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BREAK:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME:ALL:mist]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL:BLACK]
[MELTING_POINT:0]
[BOILING_POINT:1]
[HEATDAM_POINT:NONE]
[COLDDAM_POINT:NONE]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[TISSUE:BREAK]
[TISSUE_NAME:mist:NP]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BREAK]
[CONNECTS]
[FUNCTIONAL]
[STRUCTURAL]
[TISSUE_MAT_STATE:SOLID]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[VASCULAR:50]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:BREAK]
[BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BREAK:LIQUID]
[IMMOBILE]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:1]
}}

You can also give it an [[Creature_token#ITEMCORPSE|ITEMCORPSE]] if you want it to leave an item behind.

===Easily Damaged Creature===
This creature can be destroyed by any damage. You can also alter the values easily, if you want to investigate a specific damage type.

{{gamedata|title=Easily damaged creature|
[CREATURE:BREAKS_ON_ANY_HIT]
[DESCRIPTION:Something that breaks easily.]
[NAME:break:breaks:break]
[CASTE_NAME:break:breaks:break]
[CREATURE_TILE:'A'][COLOR:4:0:1]
[NO_THOUGHT_CENTER_FOR_MOVEMENT]
[PREFSTRING:breaking]
[BODY:BASIC_1PARTBODY]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:MUSCLE:MUSCLE_TEMPLATE]
[IMPACT_YIELD:1]
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:1]
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:1]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:1]
[TENSILE_YIELD:1]
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:1]
[TORSION_YIELD:1]
[TORSION_FRACTURE:1]
[SHEAR_YIELD:1]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:1]
[BENDING_YIELD:1]
[BENDING_FRACTURE:1]
[TISSUE:SILK]
[TISSUE_NAME:flesh:NP]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:MUSCLE]
[MUSCULAR]
[FUNCTIONAL]
[STRUCTURAL]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:1]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:BODY:SILK]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:4000]
[IMMOBILE]
}}

==Creatures with unusual physiologies==

===Creature made of plants===
Apart from having a plant-based physiology, this creature also has body parts that are converted into actual plants when butchered.
This example uses two types of tissues. You can easily make an entire creature out of different kinds of plants, and the larger body parts will give you more plants.
This can be very useful, as plants are used in different kinds of interactions than animal parts are. For example, you can use this trick to get [[alcohol|booze]] or [[thread]] from an animal's body parts.
You will require both a creature raw file and plant raw file for this to work.

{{gamedata|title=Plant-based creature (Creature raw)|
[CREATURE:FLEURBERRI_AMT]
[DESCRIPTION:A large, sun-loving creature, made up of a mixture of plant and animal tissues. Its heart is a valuable berry.]
[NAME:fleurberri:fleurberris:fleurberri]
[CASTE_NAME:fleurberri:fleurberris:fleurberri]
[CREATURE_TILE:'F'][COLOR:2:0:1]
[LARGE_ROAMING]
[NOBONES]
[NATURAL][BENIGN]
[MEANDERER]
[BIOME:GRASSLAND_TEMPERATE]
[BIOME:SHRUBLAND_TEMPERATE]
[BIOME:SAVANNA_TEMPERATE]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:15:30]
[CLUSTER_NUMBER:3:5]
[FREQUENCY:50]
[PREFSTRING:juicy berries]
[BODY:QUADRUPED:BRAIN:SPINE:2EYES:MOUTH:HEART]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:WOOD:WOOD_TEMPLATE]
[BUTCHER_SPECIAL:WOOD:NONE] <--This will cause the wood body parts to become logs when butchered.
[TISSUE:CORTEX]
[TISSUE_NAME:cortex:NP]
[THICKENS_ON_ENERGY_STORAGE]
[SCARS]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:PLANT_MAT:FLEURBERRI_PLANT_AMT:STRUCTURAL] <--This is the line to make the body part out of plant. The plant must also have a BUTCHER_SPECIAL:PLANT:NONE tag for this to work.
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:1]
[HEALING_RATE:100]
[VASCULAR:3]
[PAIN_RECEPTORS:5]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[SETTABLE]
[SPLINTABLE]
[TISSUE:PLANT]
[TISSUE_NAME:vascular tissue:NP]
[THICKENS_ON_ENERGY_STORAGE]
[SCARS]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:PLANT_MAT:FLEURBERRI_PLANT_AMT:STRUCTURAL]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:1]
[HEALING_RATE:100]
[VASCULAR:3]
[PAIN_RECEPTORS:5]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[SETTABLE]
[SPLINTABLE]
[TISSUE:PITH]
[TISSUE_NAME:pith:NP]
[ARTERIES]
[FUNCTIONAL]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:WOOD]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:2]
[VASCULAR:5]
[PAIN_RECEPTORS:50]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[TISSUE:BERRY] <--Define the plant-based tissue here.
[TISSUE_NAME:berry:NP]
[FUNCTIONAL]
[STRUCTURAL]
[SCARS]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:PLANT_MAT:FLEURBERRI_BERRY_AMT:STRUCTURAL] <-- A different kind of plant. Use as many types as you want.
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:1]
[HEALING_RATE:100]
[VASCULAR:10]
[PAIN_RECEPTORS:5]
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:CORTEX:NONE:PLANT:PITH:NONE]
[SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:ALL:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]
[SET_LAYER_TISSUE:BERRY] <--This will set the selected layer or layers as the plant-based tissue.
[TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SAP:PLANT_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL:sap]
[BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SAP:LIQUID]
[CREATURE_CLASS:PLANT]
[BODY_SIZE:0:0:50000]
[BODY_SIZE:1:0:100000]
[BODY_SIZE:2:0:400000]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
[BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:MOUTH_BITE_ATTACK]
[APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:KICK_ATTACK]
[MAXAGE:10:20]
[DIURNAL]
[CASTE:FEMALE]
[FEMALE]
[MULTIPLE_LITTER_RARE]
[CASTE:MALE]
[MALE]
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:CORTEX]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:PINK:1:GREEN:5]
[TLCM_NOUN:body:SINGULAR]
}}

{{gamedata|title=Plant based creature (Plant raw)|
Fleurberri plants and berries: Found inside a FLEURBERRI_AMT creature.
They work exactly like regular plants, the only difference is that their structural materials have a BUTCHER_SPECIAL tag.
You can make a creature entirely out of plants. You can even give the plants meat-like names and make them out of meat to get brewable 'meat'. (They will still be stockpiled as plants though.)

[PLANT:FLEURBERRI_PLANT_AMT]
[NAME:fleurberri strip]
[NAME_PLURAL:fleurberri strips]
[ADJ:fleur berry]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STRUCTURAL:STRUCTURAL_PLANT_TEMPLATE]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:1]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[EDIBLE_RAW]
[EDIBLE_COOKED]
[BUTCHER_SPECIAL:PLANT:NONE] <-- This is the important part!
[BASIC_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:STRUCTURAL]
[PICKED_TILE:21]
[PICKED_COLOR:2:0:1]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:MILL:PLANT_POWDER_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:fleurberri flour]
[STATE_COLOR:ALL_SOLID:GREEN]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:2:0:1]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:20]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[EDIBLE_COOKED]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[MILL:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:MILL]
[WET]
[DRY]
[VALUE:5]
[PREFSTRING:crunch]

[PLANT:FLEURBERRI_BERRY_AMT]
[NAME:fleur berry]
[NAME_PLURAL:fleur berries]
[ADJ:fleur berry]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STRUCTURAL:STRUCTURAL_PLANT_TEMPLATE]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:10]
[EDIBLE_VERMIN]
[EDIBLE_RAW]
[EDIBLE_COOKED]
[BUTCHER_SPECIAL:PLANT:NONE] <-- This is the important part!
[BASIC_MAT:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:STRUCTURAL]
[PICKED_TILE:58]
[PICKED_COLOR:4:0:1]
[WET]
[DRY]
[VALUE:15]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:DRINK:PLANT_ALCOHOL_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen fleurberri wine]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:fleurberri wine]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling fleurberri wine]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:15]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:4:0:1]
[EDIBLE_RAW]
[EDIBLE_COOKED]
[PREFIX:NONE]
[DRINK:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:DRINK]
[PREFSTRING:rarity]
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Sea monster

2021-05-10T14:09:12Z

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|heart=4-5
|lung=16-22
|intestine=26-31
|liver=8-11
|kidney=8-10
|tripe=8-11
|sweetbread=4-5
|eye=6
|spleen=4-5
|bone=23-32
|skin=scale
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'''Sea monsters''' are huge, [[Aquatic|sea dwelling]] [[creature]]s found in [[evil]] [[ocean]]s. They can weigh up to 8 tons and come armed with six tentacles, two pincers and powerful jaws. When [[butcher]]ed, they produce enormous amounts of [[food]], enough to feed a fortress for a year or more. Their butchering returns are also worth five times the standard [[Item value|value]].

Though tough, sea monsters are immobile on land. A [[drowning chamber|fishing chamber]] can air-drown them, making slaughter and recovery significantly easier. An exception occurs in reanimating biomes, as [[undead]] marine creatures can freely move out of water, and into your fortress. Sea monsters possess a [[pet]] value of 1,000, but lack the necessary tokens to be [[Animal trainer|trainable]].

Some [[dwarves]] [[Preferences|like]] sea monsters for their ''horrifying freakish appearance''.

[[File:sea_monster.jpg|thumb|310px|center|One interpretation of a sea monster, out of many.]]

[[File:Seam_Onster.png|thumb|310px|center|Another interpretation of a sea monster.]]

{{Translation| dwarven = allas ushang | elvish = lene nane | goblin = ozob olngö | human = iño slodi}}

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== Summary ==
A sea monster

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Opdagon: A sea monster

== Summary ==
A sea monster

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| [[Acorn fly]] • [[Ant]] • [[Bark scorpion]] • [[Beetle]] • [[Blood gnat]] • [[Brown recluse spider]] • [[Bumblebee]] • [[Damselfly]] • [[Dragonfly]] • [[Firefly]] • [[Fly]] • [[Grasshopper]] • [[Honey bee]] • [[Jumping spider]] • [[Knuckle worm]] • [[Large roach]] • [[Louse]] • [[Mantis]] • [[Monarch butterfly]] • [[Mosquito]] • [[Moth]] • [[Phantom spider]] • [[Slug]] • [[Snail]] • [[Termite]] • [[Thrips]] • [[Tick]] • [[Worm]]

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! style="background-color: #ced2b6; padding-left: 1em; padding-right: 1em;" | Subterranean
| [[Bat]] • [[Cap hopper]] • [[Cave fish]] • [[Cave lobster]] • [[Cave spider]] • [[Cave swallow]] • [[Creepy crawler]] • [[Fire snake]] • [[Olm]] • [[Purring maggot]]

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! style="background-color: #ced2b6; padding-left: 1em; padding-right: 1em;" | Birds
| [[Blue jay]] • [[Bushtit]] • [[Cardinal]] • [[Cockatiel]] • [[Crow]] • [[Grackle]] • [[Lorikeet]] • [[Magpie]] • [[Masked lovebird]] • [[Oriole]] • [[Parakeet]] • [[Peach-faced lovebird]] • [[Red-winged blackbird]] • [[Sparrow]] • [[Wren]]

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! style="background-color: #ced2b6; padding-left: 1em; padding-right: 1em;" | Mammals
| [[Chipmunk]] • [[Demon rat]] • [[Flying squirrel]] • [[Fox squirrel]] • [[Gray squirrel]] • [[Hamster]] • [[Hedgehog]] • [[Lion tamarin]] • [[Rat]] • [[Red squirrel]]

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! style="background-color: #ced2b6; padding-left: 1em; padding-right: 1em;" | Oceanic
| [[Anchovy]] • [[Bat ray]] • [[Brook lamprey]] • [[Clownfish]] • [[Cuttlefish]] • [[Flounder]] • [[Glasseye]] • [[Hagfish]] • [[Hake]] • [[Herring]] • [[Mackerel]] • [[Moon snail]] • [[Mussel]] • [[Nautilus]] • [[Oyster]] • [[Salmon]] • [[Sea nettle jellyfish]] • [[Seahorse]] • [[Shad]] • [[Sole]] • [[Spotted ratfish]] • [[Squid]] • [[Steelhead trout]] • [[Thornback ray]] • [[White-spotted puffer]]

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! style="background-color: #ced2b6; padding-left: 1em; padding-right: 1em;" | River/lake
| [[Axolotl]] • [[Banded knifefish]] • [[Black bullhead]] • [[Brown bullhead]] • [[Char]] • [[Clown loach]] • [[Guppy]] • [[Leech]] • [[Lungfish]] • [[Perch]] • [[Rainbow trout]] • [[Sailfin molly]] • [[Yellow bullhead]]

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! style="background-color: #ced2b6; padding-left: 1em; padding-right: 1em;" | Reptiles & Amphibians
| [[Anole]] • [[Chameleon]] • [[Green tree frog]] • [[Leopard gecko]] • [[Lizard]] • [[Moghopper]] • [[Pond turtle]] • [[Skink]] • [[Toad]] • [[Two-legged rhino lizard]]

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! style="background-color: #ced2b6; padding-left: 1em; padding-right: 1em;" | Other
| [[Fairy]] • [[Fluffy wambler]] • [[Pixie]]
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Green devourer

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'''Green devourers''' are very rare [[creature]]s who inhabit the second and third layers of the [[cavern]]s. These tentacled monsters, with each tendril ending in a toothy mouth, spawn individually and wander the underground, potentially picking fights with other creatures who provoke them (like passing [[dwarves]]). They are as large as [[human]]s and may deliver some nasty damage to unarmed civilians with their bites, but an armored squad will have very little problem dispatching them.

A dead green devourer can be [[butcher]]ed for a fair amount of returns. Products made from their parts are [[Item value|worth]] 3 times more than those made from common domestic animals. Green devourers possess a [[Pet#Pet value|pet value]] of 200, but lack the necessary tokens to be [[Animal trainer|trainable]].

Unlike most creatures, green devourers can't be spawned in the [[object testing arena]].

Some dwarves [[Preferences|like]] green devourers for their ''bizarre appearance''.

[[File:devourer_preview.jpg|thumb|250px|center|Stuff of night terrors. ''Art by Quinmael'']]
[[File:devourer_preview_2.png|thumb|250px|center|Second depiction in standard anatomical position. ''Art by Rhynca-Rook'']]

{{Translation| dwarven = omer noshtath | elvish = liba famolo | goblin = astru usmka | human = el stom}}

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File:Devourer preview 2.png

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Opdagon: A depiction of the green devourer in standard anatomical position based on the raws, description, and similarity to other creatures

== Summary ==
A depiction of the green devourer in standard anatomical position based on the raws, description, and similarity to other creatures
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Giant mole

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'''Giant moles''' are [[creature]]s found at the first two layers of the [[caverns]], who'll come to your fortress and attempt to [[Steals food|steal your food]] and [[Steals drink|drink your alcohol]], and so should be kept away from your [[food]] [[stockpile]]s. While large in size, giant moles are benign and will not start fights on their own. However, due to their thieving disposition, [[dwarves]] will react aggressively to their presence and often attack them on sight. Caution should be taken if a giant mole enters a populated area, as they can cause significant damage in the event they fight back. A giant mole infant is called a ''giant mole pup''. Despite the fact that they are members of [[wikipedia:Eulipotyphla|Eulipotyphla]], they have teeth like a rodent.

Due to their thieving behavior, giant moles are easily lured into [[trap]]s by using food stockpiles as bait. If captured in [[cage]]s, they can be [[Animal trainer|trained]] into valuable [[pet]]s. However, due to their very short lifespan, giant moles make poor long-term companions to dwarves and are better off being sold away or [[butcher]]ed for a nice amount of returns. Products made from giant mole parts are worth twice more than those made from common domestic animals.

Some dwarves [[Preferences|like]] giant moles for their ''noses''.

[[File:giant_mole.png|thumb|250px|center|May have difficulty fitting into cages. ''Art by Legend_Arts'']]

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Hedgehog

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'''Hedgehogs''' are a type of [[above ground]] [[vermin]] found in any grassy [[temperate]] area, but not in winter. They can be captured by [[trapper]]s and turned into [[pet]]s. Despite the fact that they are members of [[wikipedia:Eulipotyphla|Eulipotyphla]], they have teeth like a rodent.

Some dwarves [[Preferences|like]] hedgehogs for their ''many spines''.

{{Translation| dwarven = èfim-tarag | elvish = ralila-ÿara | goblin = slësu-snam | human = hob-celo}}
[[File:Vermin-Hedgehog.jpg|thumb|center|400px|Admired for its ''many spines''.]]

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There are tales of a hedgehog with blue fur and a [speed:0] tag running around, but no proof has been found so far. However, the rumors of some sort of "Hedgehog's dilemma" resulting in dwarves becoming melancholy have been proven false.

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Quarry bush

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The '''quarry bush''' is one of the six known [[subterranean]] [[crop]]s, and as such, it may only be grown [[underground]]. They can be [[farming|planted]] in [[Calendar|spring, summer and autumn]].

Quarry bushes may be [[plant processing|processed]] at a [[farmer's workshop]] by selecting the {{DFtext|Process plant to bag|7:0:1}} work order. You will need an empty bag available for this task. This will result in [[bag|bags]] of quarry bush leaves, which then must be [[cooking|cooked]] in the [[kitchen]] to be edible. Quarry bushes cannot be [[brewing|brewed]] into [[alcohol]].

Processing quarry bushes at a [[farmer's workshop]] requires one [[bag]], and will produce 5 quarry bush leaves (and one rock nut) for every plant in a given stack of quarry bushes. Quarry bush leaves will be removed from their bag if taken for cooking while still in a farmer's workshop.

[[Cook]]ing quarry bush leaves can result in very large stacks of prepared food, thus saving space and [[barrel|barrels]]. In a fortress that relies on selling large, expensive stacks of prepared food, quarry bush leaves are great filler: a lavish meal made from whip wine and [[cheese|dwarven cheese]] with two stacks of quarry bush leaves for filler is worth almost ten times more than an easy meal made from wine and cheese alone.

Some [[dwarves]] [[Preferences|like]] quarry bushes for their ''gray leaves''.

==Rock nuts==

Quarry bush [[seed]]s are known as '''rock nuts'''. Although their material definition marks them as being edible raw, dwarves will '''not''' eat them.

Rock nuts can be milled at a [[millstone]] or [[quern]] into rock nut paste, using the {{k|s}} job to mill seeds/nuts to paste. This paste can then be used in cooking, or pressed at a [[screw press]] into a rock nut [[Press_cake|press cake]] and a [[jug]] of rock nut [[oil]].

Both the rock nut paste and rock nut press cake are cookable and considered a single food category, referred to as "rock nut" in the [[Status#Kitchen_Status_Screen|cooking permissions screen]] (not to be confused with "rock nuts", the entry for the seeds), the Stocks screen compacted view, and Prepared meal descriptions.

The rock nut oil can be cooked or used in place of tallow to make [[soap]].

Use moderation when commanding rock nuts to be converted to paste - the nuts are required to re-plant the crop; if you grind up your entire supplies, you can't grow new quarry bushes.

The main attraction of grinding up rock nuts is the production of rock nut oil as a soapmaking ingredient. Both the globs of paste and the press cakes are minimum-value cooking ingredients, at 1☼ each. When looking at cooking ingredients, the quarry bush leaves completely overshadow what can be gained from an oil-pressing operation. However, if you have a surplus of rock nuts such that you could never plant them all at once, it makes sense to use them for something productive.

==Plant Gathering==

Due to a quirk in the raws, a wild quarry bush plant growing underground (not planted) can yield 6 leaves, if placed in a [[Activity_zone#Plant_collection|gathering zone]]. A [[herbalist]] will first harvest a single leaf growth, then collect the entire plant, which can be processed as usual afterwards, for 5 more leaves.

==Food Value==

Thanks to the increased value of rock nut oil as a by-product of rock nut processing, the highest potential value of products gleaned from one quarry bush plant is 56 (five leaves at a value of 10 each, plus oil and a press cake).

*Grow time: 500
*Plant value: 2
*Spice value: 10(x5)
*Seed value: 1
*Mill value: 1
*Press cake value: 1
*Press oil value: 5

==Trivia==
Quarry bush [[seeds]] are refered to as rock nuts, despite the fact that nuts are a type of fruit, not seed.

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