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40d Talk:Immigration

2008-09-22T13:47:06Z

Mabmoro: /* "Your fortress attracted no migrants this season." */

==Multiple civs==
What information do we have about the relationship between immigration rate and the number of dwarven civs? Is there info? Is there a relation? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 18:35, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

==Comments regarding new version==
Don't know how much of this info is still valid. For example, the line "Notably, the incredibly useful Manager requires at least twenty dwarves." is a hold-over from the previous wiki. In fact, most of the noble-related info is outdated.
I'm going to edit out anything that I ''know'' to be wrong. Get rid of the wrong stuff, and we can start getting correct stuff in instead.[[User:Thexor|Thexor]] 19:07, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:The validation abilities of the manager still only appear after you have 20 dwarfs. But you can access the screen before that happens. Don't know if this validation has any additional effect or if the managers even work before that.--[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 16:58, 8 November 2007 (EST)

::Yes, the manager will work just fine when you have less than 20 dwarfs. He will need an office if you have more than 20 dwarfs.--[[User:Tomato|Tomato]] 16:13, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

==migration vs location on world map==
I have a nagging sense from playing a year or two in a few different areas that the number of migrants is a bit more random now. I have one decently wealthy young outpost located far from it's civilization on the map which has gotten very few immigrants in the first two years. Perhaps with groups now moving on the overall map, it is more important to be close to your civilization's area so immigrant groups arrive more quickly and are less likely to get ambushed on the way? Pure conjecture on my part and not backed by any real evidence, but an interesting idea nonetheless. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 16:15, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Well, my first throw-away fortress got gigantic immigration crowds every single season. Then I abandoned, rerolled the world, and started a new fortress. It produces worlds more wealth than my first fortress, but I have only gotten one immigration wave on the second Spring, bringing my numbers to 24. I then received my second immigration on the start of the third Spring, bringing me up to 48 dwarves. I was very worried up until I got that first wave in the spring... I almost thought I was going to have to scrap the fortress and start again. For reference, I receive elf, human, and dwarf traders. No sieges yet. I have no deaths so far. It would seem that the MAXIMUM immigration amount is 24 for one season. [[User:FFLaguna|FFLaguna]] 23:33, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

::I've gotten 25 immigrants in one wave, but one of these was a child, which may ironically go into the 'pets' category rather than 'dwarf' category. Do children have parents when they come with immigrants? -Gotthard
::: I've had a family of four come in one wave-Husband and Wife and 2 children. The children were very sad when their mother got killed by a goblin. I also had a dwarf born from parents in my first immigration wave. Has anyone every had two dwarfs marry? Not arrive married but get married at your fort. Just wondering if it's possible. --[[User:Angus|Angus]] 18:22, 17 February 2008 (EST)
::::With this latest version release (0.27.176.38a), dwarves can indeed marry each other at your fortress. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 04:19, 18 February 2008 (EST)

::Update: On the summer of my third year, I finally received some migrants! Woooo. I received about 12 immigrants. [[User:FFLaguna|FFLaguna]] 01:35, 4 November 2007 (EDT)

::Happend to me sometimes to, you have to wait for immigrants sometimes. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 16:58, 8 November 2007 (EST)
==clarification on editing ini file==
One point of conflict in this article. It states that once the immigration limit is reached normal immigration is ceased. It then encourages a method of editing the init file to curb immigration. It says to just reedit it when you want more dwarfs. In my findings when I use this tactic as soon as my limit is hit I get no more dwarfs, even after reediting the init file to a higher number.

The section where it says "A '''migrant''' is a member of a wave of immigration." is really obvious and there's no other information there. I think it should be removed, or at least made part of the general information. --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]]

--[[User:Angus|Angus]] 18:17, 17 February 2008 (EST)
==Talk Page from Migrant==
This page should be merged with the page on immigration. [[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 01:47, 23 November 2007 (EST)
:Agreed, and done --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 08:28, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

I felt this edited out info is worth keeping here as hint for further investigations.

=== Immigration Triggers ===

Migrants appear in waves when the total wealth of the fortress (view by hitting 'Z') reaches:

* 5,000
* 10,000
* 100,000
* 140,000
* 165,000 (?)
* 300,000
* 340,000

== Equipment ==

(This should probably go on the Migrant talk page, but this page seems to be busier)

Will an immigrant always arrive with the necessary equipment to perform his skills? ie, will a hunter always arrive with a crossbow, armour and bolts? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:08, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:nope, sometimes you get an immigrant who doesn't have the right equipment. (Had woodworkers with carpentry and wood cutting skills withouth an axe). --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 07:46, 9 November 2007 (EST)

::I think it depends a bit on how multi-skilled they are: if he had been a [[woodcutter]] he would have had an axe but as he was a woodworker... well, carpenters need a workshop not an axe.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 21:21, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

== Combat Immigrants ==

I have yet to have any of my immigrants to show up as military types, even though I've at least produced crossbows in every fort I've run so far. Had one fort reach it's 6th year and have crafted every type of weapon available without a single dwarf showing up with combat skills. Anyone verify that this is still true? --[[User:TheUbie|TheUbie]] 04:49, 19 November 2007 (EST)

You were just unlucky. I have forged some hammers and axes and a hammer and a axe soldier showed up at my fort [[Doler 12]], 18:11 19 November 2007 (GMT+1)

:Did you maybe create a military and train dwarves in hammers and axes? --[[User:Geekwad|Geekwad]] 14:19, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:: The one and only military migrant (a Marksdwarf) I got so far came after I had someone advance to Champion level. Is this just a coincidence or have other people noticed this? --[[User:Angus|Angus]] 23:44, 19 February 2008 (EST)
:::No. I made crossbows and got marksdwarves immigrants and my best soldier was a novice crossbowman. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 06:55, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

== Immigration Rate ==

Has anyone noticed there seems to be a logarithmic curve associated with immigration? In the beginning, it doesn't matter what I do to keep my wealth down (including only building 7 beds and a small wooden 'shack' to put them above ground, and not mining out any squares) I seem to get a ton of immigrants. However, going from 1.1M to 1.4M resulted in only 5 immigrants or so the whole year. Either there might be a 'minimum' baseline for forts (and 7 isn't it, seems closer to 25-40 or so, doesn't matter what your wealth is you will grow to that) or it is logarithmic. I don't think it is related to deaths in my large fortress, I've had one elite marksdwarf die to a hydra, and 6-7 more (in 6 years) to goblins, moods, etc. I don't have the economy, perhaps this slows it down around 100? --Gotthard 11:18, 10 December 2007 (EST)
:Heh, I'm about to test that: my first winter killed six of my dwarves so we'll see how many migrants I get. I'm currently outnumbered by dogs about 10:1... unfortunately I also lost my only mare so I've got two male horses, may as well kill both of them as soon as I need a quick snack! [[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 01:05, 11 January 2008 (EST)

== Military immigrants without weapons ==

I started a game with just one dwarf. The first immigration wave, in the next spring, I got a recruit as one of my immigrants. This recruit had NO military skills, and no armor or weapons. What confuses me is that I had never created any weapons. The only remotely military thing I ever made was a single leather armor. If it matters, I hadn't created hardly anything else before that point either--a bed, basic furniture, less than ten stone crafts, no cooking, and that armor. Anyone else seen this? It throws a kink into the "weapons bring military dwarves" thing. Oh, and I also have pits as a feature in this map if it matters (as yet unrevealed). --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 09:28, 12 January 2008 (EST)
: Did the recruit have any skills? Otherwise he's basically the same as a peasant. How many dwarfs were in your military at the time. That might also have been a factor. --[[User:Angus|Angus]] 23:47, 19 February 2008 (EST)

== Seasons and Immigration ==

I've had immigrants arrive in spring, summer and fall but never winter. Has anyone had immigrants arrive in winter? Or does whether immigrants arrive in winter depend on your fort's climate? [[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 22:45, 29 January 2008 (EST)
: I just had a group of dwarves migrate during winter right after reading this. I am in a warm climate though. What was strange was in the following Summer I had another wave of migrants. Two in one year. --[[User:Angus|Angus]] 23:49, 19 February 2008 (EST)
::Multiple waves of immigration isn't unusual, I often get migrants in both autumn AND spring.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 21:19, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

I just had an immigrant wave arrive mid-summer in my first year. 6th Malachite, to be specific.--[[User:Mabmoro|mabmoro]] 15:07, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

== Headline text ==

Currently, my record is 32 dwarfs, 8 kids and pets. anybody else beaten that?
--[[User:Shabang50|Shabang50]] 07:36, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

:Well, if you are sure of that, you should add it to the article. While most people seem to get smth like 20 to 25 ( my max being 19+pets), no one knows if ther's a limit and how high it is, so.. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 08:52, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

::i regularly get 24 exactly, but on a few cases ive gotten more, most being 28, with lots of kids -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 14:28, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

== Strange stuff ==

Once I had a leatherworker who came onto the map and as soon as he appeared, there was a message
'dwarf has been possessed'
Strange, has this happenedto any once? Was he possessed before he came to my Fortress? --[[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 16:20, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

:That once happened to someone in the 2D version... tis quite simple. When a fey mood occurs, a random dwarf gets it. As it so happened, this dwarf had recently immigrated to your fortress. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 18:37, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

::Interesting, can't say I've come across that particular bug, although I did come across an item with no name! It was just called a "Large ." --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 04:20, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

:::It isn't a bug. The fey immigrant, not the "Large ." --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:10, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

== Lone Dwarf ==

"A migrant has arrived."
For some reason I only got one migrant this time! Weird! --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 09:28, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

== Migrant caps ==

The cap is set in my init.txt file as 200, but in one of my fortresses I got well over 200 (something like 225). Is there anything that could cause this other than a straight-up glitch? --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 23:04, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

:The population cap is only checked to see if another migrant wave is allowed. It is entirely possible, often likely, that the actual number of migrants in the wave pushes the population over the value set. IIRC, pregnancies will also bypass the cap. The softness of this limit is a well known... feature... :) --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 00:13, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

== Migrant skills ==

Does the amount of workshops you have for a skill affect how many immigrants have that skill? I've had no dyer's shop for a really long time, and I notice I have only one dyer, whereas I have plenty of dwarves with every other skill. --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 21:19, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
: I don't think so, because I always get hordes of dyers, cheese makers, and woodburners, even when I don't have any of the appropriate workshops. I really miss the days of getting miners, siege operators, growers, and masons.--[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 16:59, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

== "Your fortress attracted no migrants this season." ==

I'm playing a Haunted fortress on a volcano for the first time, and I got this message in my first summer. It seemed odd because I almost never get migrants during the first summer, but this is the first time that fact was announced. Is this a tweak in the new version (181.40c), which I just downloaded today, or is it because I'm in a haunted map? I got the message again in the fall. --[[User:Ookpik|Ookpik]] 17:05, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
:lots of people dying discourages immigration, as well as certain import/export/mining and immigration map factors, as far as i can tell.--[[User:Eerr|Eerr]] 21:04, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
:Id say its a new feature of the game, since it didn't occur before that version.--[[User:Mabmoro|mabmoro]] 15:08, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
::I noticed an extension of this- I got a message just now, all in red, saying "Migrants refused to journey to such a dangerous fortress this season." Ive been raided near constantly by goblins over the last year of this game, so maybe that influences immigrants now?

User talk:Althalus

2008-09-14T17:39:23Z

Mabmoro:

[[Image:Wtf dude.JPG]]

If you think the page is useless, then I reccomend you don't CREATE it. Seriously, wtf is going on? --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 06:50, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
:Maybe he noticed the link in the miner FAQ. --[[User:Mabmoro|mabmoro]] 13:39, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

40d:How to safely start fortress mode

2008-09-14T00:43:47Z

Mabmoro: /* Production and efficiency */

This guide was compiled by Yanlin (And the users) for the users. Basically it contains Yanlin's personal advice with the advice of others taking a higher rank.

The page has not yet been completely made wiki friendly and it is a WIP.

=The guide=

All advice in the replies will be summed up here in user friendly bits.

==Dwarf jobs and happiness==

Don't try to take one of everything at the start. All jobs that will be run almost constantly can just be done by an [[Immigration|immigrant]]. For example, start with one [[mason]] working like a madman churning out [[door]]s and such. Then when you get your first wave, start at least 4 mason [[workshop]]s and make them churn out standard [[room]]s. If you can make an apartment complex instead of a huge [[Barracks|barracks]] room, you get yourself a good [[Thought|happy bonus]]. -Yanlin
* Legendary dining room is all you need. It is so useful it makes rooms better than barracks merely a roleplay thing. Also, dabbling masons should work on blocks, not furniture. -Someone-else

Legendary [[dining room]]s: Any room that's about 5x5, fully engraved and has maybe 4 tables and chairs will be legendary from my experience. I usually take a proficient [[engraver]] with me on the start to speed it up and it also helps if he is the only one doing the engravings. Legendary dining rooms can make dwarves forget even the most horrible things! Even death. -Yanlin
* Average artifact in a small plain room with crappy tables and thrones counts as legendary dining room too. -Someone-else

A fort divided does not stand. Make sure your dwarves don't run around like idiots. -Yanlin

[[Cave adaptation]]: I set up a simple system. There is only one exit out of my apartment complex. My apartment complex spans multiple [[Z-axis|floors]] and each one has the entire entrance in light state. How? Well light passes through [[Floor#Construction|floors]]! Go figure. This is how I do it. I [[channel[[ out the entire entrance from the top to the level I am currently building in. I [[Wall#Construction|wall]] it in on the top to prevent [[goblin]]s and other nasty stuff from jumping or firing in. I create a small "maintenance" tunnel going near the channeling area so that the channelers have access to it. It's simple really. When the channeling grinds to a halt, pave all the channeled areas with floors. I never tested [[wood]] floors. (What kind of idiot wastes wood on anything but [[bin]]s, [[bucket]]s, [[barrel]]s and [[bed]]s?) -Yanlin

[[Stone]] [[stockpile]]s: NO! NOT A CHANCE! But if you set up a special workshop for churning out expensive items, set up a stockpile that accepts only that one kind of expensive rock. Setting up a small stone stockpile under your masonry workshop is a good idea though. -Yanlin

[[Hauling|Haulers]]: Have at least 5-10 free peasants for hauling. Usually my fortress can run on just my 7 starting dwarves. I can easily supply 60 dwarves worth of [[food]] and [[Alcohol|booze]] while the rest do the odd job here and there. -Yanlin

Micromanagement: Only your core dwarves need it. The rest can just do anything they want. -Yanlin

[[Fishing]]: Not worth it. Only the [[shell]]s are worth it. -Yanlin

* However, fishing can give you lots and lots of fishbones, which can then be made into bone bolts that Dwarves use for practice. Very useful on maps without trees. - HisMajestyBOB

[[Ambusher|Hunting]]: Worth it. But at least give your [[hunter]] some [[armor]]. -Yanlin
* Do not waste starting dwarf on it. This is job for immigrants. -Someone-else

[[Farm plot|Farm]] size: 10x10 of [[plump helmet]]s without fertilizing will feed 500 dwarves. A 5x5 field WITH fertilizing will feed about 500 dwarves. Do the math. (Rough estimates. Untested.) -Yanlin

[[Cloth]]: [[Pig tail]]s will provide you all the cloth you need and booze too. -Yanlin

Buying your first [[anvil]]: Mugging. No not robbing the [[Trading|merchant]]. Making tons and tons of stone [[Goblet|mugs]]! You'd be amazed how much you can buy with a few bins worth of mugs. Each stone gives 3 mugs and a skilled mason can make enough to... Well... Buy anything you need. Remember, [[Craftsdwarf|craftsdwarves]] are GOOD! -Yanlin
* Mechanic is the way to go. Not only are mechanisms single items (less hauling) but also aren't useless. Prepared food is very good too, though it needs 3 dwarves working (planter, brewer and cook. Combining them into one dwarf is bad thing). Craftdwarves aren't really useful at start and are almost totally useless after that. -Someone-else

[[Nobles]]: Give them a huge [[bedroom]], huge [[office]] and cram it up with some decorations and [[engraving]]s. That should keep em happy for a while. -Yanlin
* If you happen to have artifact furniture just build one room of average size, but few beds, tables and thrones in it and make it a "noble room". Artifact will boost its value enough for all dwarves who aren't kings unless it's made from one log, stone, bone, shell or the like. -Someone-else

==Pets and food animals==

[[Cat|Cats]]. DO NOT DO IT! IT IS NOT WORTH IT! -Yanlin
* Wrong. Having one cat will not only boost dwarves' mood (no [[vermin|rats]] and other ugly crap) but will also make your food safer. -Someone-else

[[Dog|Dogs]]. DO IT! IT IS WORTH IT! -Yanlin

Shamelessly kill off any newborn pets to prevent overpopulation. Especially useful on cats. -HisMajestyBOB
* Or put them in a [[cage]] as an [[butchering|emergency food source]]. Caged animals do not breed, block paths or waste CPU power on pathfinding. -Someone-else

Dogs give a lot of bang for your buck.
They are a good source of [[food|meat]]. You just pay 16 bucks for them upon embark, if I remember correctly. This might be a little bit more than the price of 5 meat (which is 10 bucks) but you have to take into account that they get offspring, son that 20 dogs of the first year might turn into 30 dogs or more in the second year.
when you slaughter them each dog gives you 5 meat, 5 [[bones]], a [[skin|hide]] and a [[skull]]. This as well as the fact that dogs, in contrast to meat don't rot, makes it useful to buy at least some of them upon start. -Proteus

Dogs are better than cats. Dogs breed just as fast and you can have an army of wardogs slaughtering everything, not to mention they make an incredible [[thief]] defense. Simply put a meeting zone across the entrance to your fort, then you'll have all eleventy billion dogs wandering around in that meeting zone. Any thief is instantly turned into [[kobold]] kibble, and they're quite handly at dealing with smaller sieges too.
Also you can slaughter dogs at whim, whereas you can't slaughter an owned pet. -Hyndis

==Defense==

An army of peasants is a good thing if you think about it. Churn out a few [[crossbow|crossbows]] and [[ammo|bolts]]. Even copper weapons can take down most sieges you will probably get. -Yanlin

[[Goblin]] babysnatchers and Kobold thieves. One dog on a [[chain]] will kill them on contact. Especially a war dog. I usually buy a few chains at the embarkment. -Yanlin

Security. [[traps|Stonefall traps]] at the entrance help. After you need more than that, you probably have more than that. Make weapon traps that shoot or better yet, station [[marksdwarf|marksdwarves]] in [[fortifications]] outside your fort. Make sure to put them in a [[tower]]. -Yanlin

You might want to bring along a rope and then wall in your fortress entrance so there is only one path. Then set a dog on the rope (Not a cat, those are more useful against vermin) beside the door to stop the sneaky sorts. -Gamerofthegame

Weapon traps and marksdwarves = survival for for most -wendigo

==Production and efficiency==

[[Glass]]. You want [[sand]] on your map. It is awesome advice to have sand on your map. Remember. Glass is EASY to make especially if you can get a source of [[fuel]] for your forge. You can make almost everything out of glass. If you can get a [[magma glass furnace]], you win. -Yanlin

[[Iron]]. You want it. If you didn't find iron, I suggest just starting over in another location or if you feel determined, buy it. But it can get costly. -Yanlin

Common [[barrel]] exploit. Each piece of meat and [[alcohol|booze]] you bring with you, will give you one free barrel. 5 of each can fit in a barrel and if you take 6 of something, you get 2 barrels. Etc. -Flok Speargrabber

[[turtle|Turtles]] are AWESOME! -Flok Speargrabber
* Be sure to disable bones and [[shells]] in your early outdoor refuse [[stockpile]] so you don't waste turtles' awesomeness. -Someone-else

Bringing a few [[seeds]] of everything along with you is wise. (I suggest bringing plenty of [[plump helmet]] and [[pig tail]] seeds.) -Flok Speargrabber
* The second advice is bad. Just start your [[farm plot|farm]] soon and brew what you can and you will have more seeds than need. As for bringing everything: 1 seed each is enough. [[Rock nuts]] are useless before you have food chain and plenty of bags. -Someone-else

[[immigration|Immigrants]] are good for [[fishing]] that pesky [[carp]]. (Well not really. But they are good for fishing nonetheless.) -blakyoshi7

Farming. The best source of food. If you don't want to "Cheat" you can just plant a big plump helmet farm. Make sure you don't cook it all though. Make sure at least some goes into booze. Booze and eating raw returns seeds. [[Cooking]] destroys them. Alternatively you can cook the booze. That creates a cheatish infinate supply of food. -Yanlin

[[Wood]]. You don't really NEED a heavily forested map. Assuming you will make about 100 [[beds]] during 3 years and some barrels, [[bucket|buckets]] and [[bins]], you only need about 500 [[tree|trees]]. Might sound like not enough on a non heavily forested map right? Well wrong. Trees DO grow back. Even a lightly forested map has at least 200 trees from what I could tell. -Yanlin

Pig tails are good to bring, as a source of booze that your dwarfs won't accidentally eat up before it's turned into it's sweet elixir of happiness. -Overdose

Pigtail makes great booze. It helps keep your dwarves happy and avoid the "Tired of same booze" unhappy thought. -motorbitch

You need [[cloth]] only for [[strange mood|strange moods]]. You can easily buy all the cloth you need and have your [[farmer|farmers]] do more useful work. -motorbitch
* Wrong. Glass industry requires many bags. -Someone-else

Two humped camels are good for farming as they yield a lot. Consider this option to diversify your meals. Also helps if you want to avoid the booze food exploit.- motorbitch

Lopped off body parts create small bones that are rather useless. (Training bolts are never really useless as you should have too many bins anyway.) -motorbitch

You should only put a priority on [[Magma]] if you have the ability to make glass with it. If so, it should be one of your first things. -Gamerofthegame

Have your [[carpenter]](s) craft a steady flow of beds/barrels/bins -wendigo

Run a [[still]] nonstop. Get those seeds, distill that booze. -wendigo
* If you have many barrels filled with booze and no free ones just cook some beer biscuits. Not only they will make your dwarves happier but also will train your cook and let your brewer continue his work. Don't do this if you have no plants to brew. -Someone-else

Metalworking is desirable, but not crucial. -wendigo

I set every dwarf in the fortress to [[butcher]] and [[tanning|tan]]. Its a very high priority job since the corpses and skins will rapidly decay, and by setting every single dwarf to be able to perform this task (skill doesn't matter, a dabbling dwarf does just as well as a legendary dwarf) there's a very high probability it will get done in time. If you have a lot of corpses to process, simply build a bunch of butcher and tanner workshops. -Hyndis

===Wood is useful for:===
Beds - Bins - Barrels - Spikes - Pump parts - Windmills and water wheels

-Flok Speargrabber

===Stone is good for:===

[[Statues]] - [[chest|Coffers]] - [[cabinet|Cabinets]] - [[Coffins]] - Trade goods - [[Doors]] - [[Floodgates]] - [[chair|Chairs]] - [[table|Tables]] - [[Blocks]] for roads and floors (More brick-y than block-y)

-Flok Speargrabber

===Metal is good for:===
[[Weapons]] - [[Armor ]] - Magma-safe pumps - Expensive statues - Noble orders, usually, unless they don't want a special metal item

-Flok Speargrabber

==Performance==

Cats are not as bad as they used to be. Now slaughtering the newborns is easy enough and with the new partial print feature, they are not the huge FPS problem they used to be. They are also, like dogs: a good source of meat and such. -Vaftrudner

Don't bother with clothes. They don't really do anything and lag your FPS because they get checked every moment. Your dwarves wont mind walking around nude and no one is going to judge them about it. (Politically it does not matter.) -motorbitch

Bring a cage. Just one. You can use it to stuff your excess creatures. Mainly anything outside two cats and maybe two dogs. -Gamerofthegame

==Special conditions==

You could bring five picks and 300 logs if you're on a treeless map. Just don't make stuff from wood if you can make them from something else. (Stockpile = bad) -Ashery

=Adding your own advice=

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40d:How to safely start fortress mode

2008-09-14T00:37:17Z

Mabmoro: /* Defense */

This guide was compiled by Yanlin (And the users) for the users. Basically it contains Yanlin's personal advice with the advice of others taking a higher rank.

The page has not yet been completely made wiki friendly and it is a WIP.

=The guide=

All advice in the replies will be summed up here in user friendly bits.

==Dwarf jobs and happiness==

Don't try to take one of everything at the start. All jobs that will be run almost constantly can just be done by an [[Immigration|immigrant]]. For example, start with one [[mason]] working like a madman churning out [[door]]s and such. Then when you get your first wave, start at least 4 mason [[workshop]]s and make them churn out standard [[room]]s. If you can make an apartment complex instead of a huge [[Barracks|barracks]] room, you get yourself a good [[Thought|happy bonus]]. -Yanlin
* Legendary dining room is all you need. It is so useful it makes rooms better than barracks merely a roleplay thing. Also, dabbling masons should work on blocks, not furniture. -Someone-else

Legendary [[dining room]]s: Any room that's about 5x5, fully engraved and has maybe 4 tables and chairs will be legendary from my experience. I usually take a proficient [[engraver]] with me on the start to speed it up and it also helps if he is the only one doing the engravings. Legendary dining rooms can make dwarves forget even the most horrible things! Even death. -Yanlin
* Average artifact in a small plain room with crappy tables and thrones counts as legendary dining room too. -Someone-else

A fort divided does not stand. Make sure your dwarves don't run around like idiots. -Yanlin

[[Cave adaptation]]: I set up a simple system. There is only one exit out of my apartment complex. My apartment complex spans multiple [[Z-axis|floors]] and each one has the entire entrance in light state. How? Well light passes through [[Floor#Construction|floors]]! Go figure. This is how I do it. I [[channel[[ out the entire entrance from the top to the level I am currently building in. I [[Wall#Construction|wall]] it in on the top to prevent [[goblin]]s and other nasty stuff from jumping or firing in. I create a small "maintenance" tunnel going near the channeling area so that the channelers have access to it. It's simple really. When the channeling grinds to a halt, pave all the channeled areas with floors. I never tested [[wood]] floors. (What kind of idiot wastes wood on anything but [[bin]]s, [[bucket]]s, [[barrel]]s and [[bed]]s?) -Yanlin

[[Stone]] [[stockpile]]s: NO! NOT A CHANCE! But if you set up a special workshop for churning out expensive items, set up a stockpile that accepts only that one kind of expensive rock. Setting up a small stone stockpile under your masonry workshop is a good idea though. -Yanlin

[[Hauling|Haulers]]: Have at least 5-10 free peasants for hauling. Usually my fortress can run on just my 7 starting dwarves. I can easily supply 60 dwarves worth of [[food]] and [[Alcohol|booze]] while the rest do the odd job here and there. -Yanlin

Micromanagement: Only your core dwarves need it. The rest can just do anything they want. -Yanlin

[[Fishing]]: Not worth it. Only the [[shell]]s are worth it. -Yanlin

* However, fishing can give you lots and lots of fishbones, which can then be made into bone bolts that Dwarves use for practice. Very useful on maps without trees. - HisMajestyBOB

[[Ambusher|Hunting]]: Worth it. But at least give your [[hunter]] some [[armor]]. -Yanlin
* Do not waste starting dwarf on it. This is job for immigrants. -Someone-else

[[Farm plot|Farm]] size: 10x10 of [[plump helmet]]s without fertilizing will feed 500 dwarves. A 5x5 field WITH fertilizing will feed about 500 dwarves. Do the math. (Rough estimates. Untested.) -Yanlin

[[Cloth]]: [[Pig tail]]s will provide you all the cloth you need and booze too. -Yanlin

Buying your first [[anvil]]: Mugging. No not robbing the [[Trading|merchant]]. Making tons and tons of stone [[Goblet|mugs]]! You'd be amazed how much you can buy with a few bins worth of mugs. Each stone gives 3 mugs and a skilled mason can make enough to... Well... Buy anything you need. Remember, [[Craftsdwarf|craftsdwarves]] are GOOD! -Yanlin
* Mechanic is the way to go. Not only are mechanisms single items (less hauling) but also aren't useless. Prepared food is very good too, though it needs 3 dwarves working (planter, brewer and cook. Combining them into one dwarf is bad thing). Craftdwarves aren't really useful at start and are almost totally useless after that. -Someone-else

[[Nobles]]: Give them a huge [[bedroom]], huge [[office]] and cram it up with some decorations and [[engraving]]s. That should keep em happy for a while. -Yanlin
* If you happen to have artifact furniture just build one room of average size, but few beds, tables and thrones in it and make it a "noble room". Artifact will boost its value enough for all dwarves who aren't kings unless it's made from one log, stone, bone, shell or the like. -Someone-else

==Pets and food animals==

[[Cat|Cats]]. DO NOT DO IT! IT IS NOT WORTH IT! -Yanlin
* Wrong. Having one cat will not only boost dwarves' mood (no [[vermin|rats]] and other ugly crap) but will also make your food safer. -Someone-else

[[Dog|Dogs]]. DO IT! IT IS WORTH IT! -Yanlin

Shamelessly kill off any newborn pets to prevent overpopulation. Especially useful on cats. -HisMajestyBOB
* Or put them in a [[cage]] as an [[butchering|emergency food source]]. Caged animals do not breed, block paths or waste CPU power on pathfinding. -Someone-else

Dogs give a lot of bang for your buck.
They are a good source of [[food|meat]]. You just pay 16 bucks for them upon embark, if I remember correctly. This might be a little bit more than the price of 5 meat (which is 10 bucks) but you have to take into account that they get offspring, son that 20 dogs of the first year might turn into 30 dogs or more in the second year.
when you slaughter them each dog gives you 5 meat, 5 [[bones]], a [[skin|hide]] and a [[skull]]. This as well as the fact that dogs, in contrast to meat don't rot, makes it useful to buy at least some of them upon start. -Proteus

Dogs are better than cats. Dogs breed just as fast and you can have an army of wardogs slaughtering everything, not to mention they make an incredible [[thief]] defense. Simply put a meeting zone across the entrance to your fort, then you'll have all eleventy billion dogs wandering around in that meeting zone. Any thief is instantly turned into [[kobold]] kibble, and they're quite handly at dealing with smaller sieges too.
Also you can slaughter dogs at whim, whereas you can't slaughter an owned pet. -Hyndis

==Defense==

An army of peasants is a good thing if you think about it. Churn out a few [[crossbow|crossbows]] and [[ammo|bolts]]. Even copper weapons can take down most sieges you will probably get. -Yanlin

[[Goblin]] babysnatchers and Kobold thieves. One dog on a [[chain]] will kill them on contact. Especially a war dog. I usually buy a few chains at the embarkment. -Yanlin

Security. [[traps|Stonefall traps]] at the entrance help. After you need more than that, you probably have more than that. Make weapon traps that shoot or better yet, station [[marksdwarf|marksdwarves]] in [[fortifications]] outside your fort. Make sure to put them in a [[tower]]. -Yanlin

You might want to bring along a rope and then wall in your fortress entrance so there is only one path. Then set a dog on the rope (Not a cat, those are more useful against vermin) beside the door to stop the sneaky sorts. -Gamerofthegame

Weapon traps and marksdwarves = survival for for most -wendigo

==Production and efficiency==

Glass. You want sand on your map. It is awesome advice to have sand on your map. Remember. Glass is EASY to make especially if you can get a source of fuel for your forge. You can make almost everything out of glass. If you can get a magma glass forge, you win. -Yanlin

Iron. You want it. If you didn't find iron, I suggest just starting over in another location or if you feel determined, buy it. But it can get costly. -Yanlin

Common barrel exploit. Each piece of meat and booze you bring with you, will give you one free barrel. 5 of each can fit in a barrel and if you take 6 of something, you get 2 barrels. Etc. -Flok Speargrabber

Turtles are AWESOME! -Flok Speargrabber
* Be sure to disable bones and shells in your early outdoor refuse stockpile so you don't waste turtles' awesomeness. -Someone-else

Bringing a few seeds of everything along with you is wise. (I suggest bringing plenty of plump helmet and pig tail seeds.) -Flok Speargrabber
* The second advice is bad. Just start your farm soon and brew what you can and you will have more seeds than need. As for bringing everything: 1 seed each is enough. Rock nuts are useless before you have food chain and plenty of bags. -Someone-else

Immigrants are good for fishing that pesky carp. (Well not really. But they are good for fishing nonetheless.) -blakyoshi7

Farming. The best source of food. If you don't want to "Cheat" you can just plant a big plump helmet farm. Make sure you don't cook it all though. Make sure at least some goes into booze. Booze and eating raw returns seeds. Cooking destroys them. Alternatively you can cook the booze. That creates a cheatish infinate supply of food. -Yanlin

Wood. You don't really NEED a heavily fortested map. Assuming you will make about 100 beds during 3 years and some barrels, buckets and bins, you only need about 500 trees. Might sound like not enough on a non heavily forested map right? Well wrong. Trees DO grow back. Even a lightly forested map has at least 200 trees from what I could tell. -Yanlin

Pig tails are good to bring, as a source of booze that your dwarfs won't accidentally eat up before it's turned into it's sweet elixir of happiness. -Overdose

Pigtail makes great booze. It helps keep your dwarves happy and avoid the "Tired of same booze" unhappy thought. -motorbitch

You need cloth only for strange moods. You can easily buy all the cloth you need and have your farmers do more useful work. -motorbitch
* Wrong. Glass industry requires many bags. -Someone-else

Two humped camels are good for farming as they yield a lot. Consider this option to diversify your meals. Also helps if you want to avoid the booze food exploit.- motorbitch

Lopped off body parts create small bones that are rather useless. (Training bolts are never really useless as you should have too many bins anyway.) -motorbitch

You should only put a priority on Magma if you have the ability to make glass with it. If so, it should be one of your first things. -Gamerofthegame

Have your carpenter(s) craft a steady flow of beds/barrels/bins -wendigo

Run a still nonstop. Get those seeds, distill that booze. -wendigo
* If you have many barrels filled with booze and no free ones just cook some beer biscuits. Not only they will make your dwarves happier but also will train your cook and let your brewer continue his work. Don't do this if you have no plants to brew. -Someone-else

Metalworking is desirable, but not crucial. -wendigo

I set every dwarf in the fortress to butcher and tan. Its a very high priority job since the corpses and skins will rapidly decay, and by setting every single dwarf to be able to perform this task (skill doesn't matter, a dabbling dwarf does just as well as a legendary dwarf) there's a very high probability it will get done in time. If you have a lot of corpses to process, simply build a bunch of butcher and tanner workshops. -Hyndis

===Wood is useful for:===
Beds - Bins - Barrels - Spikes - Pump parts - Windmills and water wheels

-Flok Speargrabber

===Stone is good for:===

Statues - Coffers - Cabinets - Coffins - Trade goods - Doors - Floodgates - Chairs - Tables - Statues (Cheaper though) - Blocks for roads and floors (More brick-y than block-y)

-Flok Speargrabber

===Metal is good for:===
Weapons - Armor - Magma-safe pumps - Expensive statues - Noble orders, usually, unless they don't want a special metal item

-Flok Speargrabber

==Performance==

Cats are not as bad as they used to be. Now slaughtering the newborns is easy enough and with the new partial print feature, they are not the huge FPS problem they used to be. They are also, like dogs: a good source of meat and such. -Vaftrudner

Don't bother with clothes. They don't really do anything and lag your FPS because they get checked every moment. Your dwarves wont mind walking around nude and no one is going to judge them about it. (Politically it does not matter.) -motorbitch

Bring a cage. Just one. You can use it to stuff your excess creatures. Mainly anything outside two cats and maybe two dogs. -Gamerofthegame

==Special conditions==

You could bring five picks and 300 logs if you're on a treeless map. Just don't make stuff from wood if you can make them from something else. (Stockpile = bad) -Ashery

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{{Starting FAQ}}

40d:How to safely start fortress mode

2008-09-14T00:35:47Z

Mabmoro: /* Pets and food animals */

This guide was compiled by Yanlin (And the users) for the users. Basically it contains Yanlin's personal advice with the advice of others taking a higher rank.

The page has not yet been completely made wiki friendly and it is a WIP.

=The guide=

All advice in the replies will be summed up here in user friendly bits.

==Dwarf jobs and happiness==

Don't try to take one of everything at the start. All jobs that will be run almost constantly can just be done by an [[Immigration|immigrant]]. For example, start with one [[mason]] working like a madman churning out [[door]]s and such. Then when you get your first wave, start at least 4 mason [[workshop]]s and make them churn out standard [[room]]s. If you can make an apartment complex instead of a huge [[Barracks|barracks]] room, you get yourself a good [[Thought|happy bonus]]. -Yanlin
* Legendary dining room is all you need. It is so useful it makes rooms better than barracks merely a roleplay thing. Also, dabbling masons should work on blocks, not furniture. -Someone-else

Legendary [[dining room]]s: Any room that's about 5x5, fully engraved and has maybe 4 tables and chairs will be legendary from my experience. I usually take a proficient [[engraver]] with me on the start to speed it up and it also helps if he is the only one doing the engravings. Legendary dining rooms can make dwarves forget even the most horrible things! Even death. -Yanlin
* Average artifact in a small plain room with crappy tables and thrones counts as legendary dining room too. -Someone-else

A fort divided does not stand. Make sure your dwarves don't run around like idiots. -Yanlin

[[Cave adaptation]]: I set up a simple system. There is only one exit out of my apartment complex. My apartment complex spans multiple [[Z-axis|floors]] and each one has the entire entrance in light state. How? Well light passes through [[Floor#Construction|floors]]! Go figure. This is how I do it. I [[channel[[ out the entire entrance from the top to the level I am currently building in. I [[Wall#Construction|wall]] it in on the top to prevent [[goblin]]s and other nasty stuff from jumping or firing in. I create a small "maintenance" tunnel going near the channeling area so that the channelers have access to it. It's simple really. When the channeling grinds to a halt, pave all the channeled areas with floors. I never tested [[wood]] floors. (What kind of idiot wastes wood on anything but [[bin]]s, [[bucket]]s, [[barrel]]s and [[bed]]s?) -Yanlin

[[Stone]] [[stockpile]]s: NO! NOT A CHANCE! But if you set up a special workshop for churning out expensive items, set up a stockpile that accepts only that one kind of expensive rock. Setting up a small stone stockpile under your masonry workshop is a good idea though. -Yanlin

[[Hauling|Haulers]]: Have at least 5-10 free peasants for hauling. Usually my fortress can run on just my 7 starting dwarves. I can easily supply 60 dwarves worth of [[food]] and [[Alcohol|booze]] while the rest do the odd job here and there. -Yanlin

Micromanagement: Only your core dwarves need it. The rest can just do anything they want. -Yanlin

[[Fishing]]: Not worth it. Only the [[shell]]s are worth it. -Yanlin

* However, fishing can give you lots and lots of fishbones, which can then be made into bone bolts that Dwarves use for practice. Very useful on maps without trees. - HisMajestyBOB

[[Ambusher|Hunting]]: Worth it. But at least give your [[hunter]] some [[armor]]. -Yanlin
* Do not waste starting dwarf on it. This is job for immigrants. -Someone-else

[[Farm plot|Farm]] size: 10x10 of [[plump helmet]]s without fertilizing will feed 500 dwarves. A 5x5 field WITH fertilizing will feed about 500 dwarves. Do the math. (Rough estimates. Untested.) -Yanlin

[[Cloth]]: [[Pig tail]]s will provide you all the cloth you need and booze too. -Yanlin

Buying your first [[anvil]]: Mugging. No not robbing the [[Trading|merchant]]. Making tons and tons of stone [[Goblet|mugs]]! You'd be amazed how much you can buy with a few bins worth of mugs. Each stone gives 3 mugs and a skilled mason can make enough to... Well... Buy anything you need. Remember, [[Craftsdwarf|craftsdwarves]] are GOOD! -Yanlin
* Mechanic is the way to go. Not only are mechanisms single items (less hauling) but also aren't useless. Prepared food is very good too, though it needs 3 dwarves working (planter, brewer and cook. Combining them into one dwarf is bad thing). Craftdwarves aren't really useful at start and are almost totally useless after that. -Someone-else

[[Nobles]]: Give them a huge [[bedroom]], huge [[office]] and cram it up with some decorations and [[engraving]]s. That should keep em happy for a while. -Yanlin
* If you happen to have artifact furniture just build one room of average size, but few beds, tables and thrones in it and make it a "noble room". Artifact will boost its value enough for all dwarves who aren't kings unless it's made from one log, stone, bone, shell or the like. -Someone-else

==Pets and food animals==

[[Cat|Cats]]. DO NOT DO IT! IT IS NOT WORTH IT! -Yanlin
* Wrong. Having one cat will not only boost dwarves' mood (no [[vermin|rats]] and other ugly crap) but will also make your food safer. -Someone-else

[[Dog|Dogs]]. DO IT! IT IS WORTH IT! -Yanlin

Shamelessly kill off any newborn pets to prevent overpopulation. Especially useful on cats. -HisMajestyBOB
* Or put them in a [[cage]] as an [[butchering|emergency food source]]. Caged animals do not breed, block paths or waste CPU power on pathfinding. -Someone-else

Dogs give a lot of bang for your buck.
They are a good source of [[food|meat]]. You just pay 16 bucks for them upon embark, if I remember correctly. This might be a little bit more than the price of 5 meat (which is 10 bucks) but you have to take into account that they get offspring, son that 20 dogs of the first year might turn into 30 dogs or more in the second year.
when you slaughter them each dog gives you 5 meat, 5 [[bones]], a [[skin|hide]] and a [[skull]]. This as well as the fact that dogs, in contrast to meat don't rot, makes it useful to buy at least some of them upon start. -Proteus

Dogs are better than cats. Dogs breed just as fast and you can have an army of wardogs slaughtering everything, not to mention they make an incredible [[thief]] defense. Simply put a meeting zone across the entrance to your fort, then you'll have all eleventy billion dogs wandering around in that meeting zone. Any thief is instantly turned into [[kobold]] kibble, and they're quite handly at dealing with smaller sieges too.
Also you can slaughter dogs at whim, whereas you can't slaughter an owned pet. -Hyndis

==Defense==

An army of peasants is a good thing if you think about it. Churn out a few crossbows and bolts. Even copper weapons can take down most sieges you will probably get. -Yanlin

Goblin pedophiles and Kobold noobs. One dog on a chain will kill them on contact. Especially a war dog. I usually buy a few chains at the embarkment. -Yanlin

Security. Stonefall traps at the entrance help. After you need more than that, you probably have more than that. Make weapon traps that shoot or better yet, station marksdwarves in fortifications outside your fort. Make sure to put them in a tower. -Yanlin

You might want to bring along a rope and then wall in your fortress entrance so there is only one path. Then set a dog on the rope (Not a cat, those are more useful against vermin) beside the door to stop the sneaky sorts. -Gamerofthegame

Weapon traps and marksdwarves = survival for for most -wendigo

==Production and efficiency==

Glass. You want sand on your map. It is awesome advice to have sand on your map. Remember. Glass is EASY to make especially if you can get a source of fuel for your forge. You can make almost everything out of glass. If you can get a magma glass forge, you win. -Yanlin

Iron. You want it. If you didn't find iron, I suggest just starting over in another location or if you feel determined, buy it. But it can get costly. -Yanlin

Common barrel exploit. Each piece of meat and booze you bring with you, will give you one free barrel. 5 of each can fit in a barrel and if you take 6 of something, you get 2 barrels. Etc. -Flok Speargrabber

Turtles are AWESOME! -Flok Speargrabber
* Be sure to disable bones and shells in your early outdoor refuse stockpile so you don't waste turtles' awesomeness. -Someone-else

Bringing a few seeds of everything along with you is wise. (I suggest bringing plenty of plump helmet and pig tail seeds.) -Flok Speargrabber
* The second advice is bad. Just start your farm soon and brew what you can and you will have more seeds than need. As for bringing everything: 1 seed each is enough. Rock nuts are useless before you have food chain and plenty of bags. -Someone-else

Immigrants are good for fishing that pesky carp. (Well not really. But they are good for fishing nonetheless.) -blakyoshi7

Farming. The best source of food. If you don't want to "Cheat" you can just plant a big plump helmet farm. Make sure you don't cook it all though. Make sure at least some goes into booze. Booze and eating raw returns seeds. Cooking destroys them. Alternatively you can cook the booze. That creates a cheatish infinate supply of food. -Yanlin

Wood. You don't really NEED a heavily fortested map. Assuming you will make about 100 beds during 3 years and some barrels, buckets and bins, you only need about 500 trees. Might sound like not enough on a non heavily forested map right? Well wrong. Trees DO grow back. Even a lightly forested map has at least 200 trees from what I could tell. -Yanlin

Pig tails are good to bring, as a source of booze that your dwarfs won't accidentally eat up before it's turned into it's sweet elixir of happiness. -Overdose

Pigtail makes great booze. It helps keep your dwarves happy and avoid the "Tired of same booze" unhappy thought. -motorbitch

You need cloth only for strange moods. You can easily buy all the cloth you need and have your farmers do more useful work. -motorbitch
* Wrong. Glass industry requires many bags. -Someone-else

Two humped camels are good for farming as they yield a lot. Consider this option to diversify your meals. Also helps if you want to avoid the booze food exploit.- motorbitch

Lopped off body parts create small bones that are rather useless. (Training bolts are never really useless as you should have too many bins anyway.) -motorbitch

You should only put a priority on Magma if you have the ability to make glass with it. If so, it should be one of your first things. -Gamerofthegame

Have your carpenter(s) craft a steady flow of beds/barrels/bins -wendigo

Run a still nonstop. Get those seeds, distill that booze. -wendigo
* If you have many barrels filled with booze and no free ones just cook some beer biscuits. Not only they will make your dwarves happier but also will train your cook and let your brewer continue his work. Don't do this if you have no plants to brew. -Someone-else

Metalworking is desirable, but not crucial. -wendigo

I set every dwarf in the fortress to butcher and tan. Its a very high priority job since the corpses and skins will rapidly decay, and by setting every single dwarf to be able to perform this task (skill doesn't matter, a dabbling dwarf does just as well as a legendary dwarf) there's a very high probability it will get done in time. If you have a lot of corpses to process, simply build a bunch of butcher and tanner workshops. -Hyndis

===Wood is useful for:===
Beds - Bins - Barrels - Spikes - Pump parts - Windmills and water wheels

-Flok Speargrabber

===Stone is good for:===

Statues - Coffers - Cabinets - Coffins - Trade goods - Doors - Floodgates - Chairs - Tables - Statues (Cheaper though) - Blocks for roads and floors (More brick-y than block-y)

-Flok Speargrabber

===Metal is good for:===
Weapons - Armor - Magma-safe pumps - Expensive statues - Noble orders, usually, unless they don't want a special metal item

-Flok Speargrabber

==Performance==

Cats are not as bad as they used to be. Now slaughtering the newborns is easy enough and with the new partial print feature, they are not the huge FPS problem they used to be. They are also, like dogs: a good source of meat and such. -Vaftrudner

Don't bother with clothes. They don't really do anything and lag your FPS because they get checked every moment. Your dwarves wont mind walking around nude and no one is going to judge them about it. (Politically it does not matter.) -motorbitch

Bring a cage. Just one. You can use it to stuff your excess creatures. Mainly anything outside two cats and maybe two dogs. -Gamerofthegame

==Special conditions==

You could bring five picks and 300 logs if you're on a treeless map. Just don't make stuff from wood if you can make them from something else. (Stockpile = bad) -Ashery

=Adding your own advice=

If you wish to add your own advice, do so in a grammatically correct manner. Links are not mandatory but desired. Remember to sign it with one space, a dash and then your name.

-NameHere

If you think the advice is poor, do not add it. The last thing Yanlin needs is more pruning of bad advice.

==Formatting==

Keep two lines of space after the advice above yours. Do not add it into the middle of the section.
Big advices deserve their own subcategory. But don't just sprinkle them around like an idiot.

Keep 3 lines of space under your advice to the next category.

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{{Starting FAQ}}

User:Mabmoro

2008-09-10T13:01:18Z

Mabmoro:

<div style="background: black; width: 50em;"><font face="FixedSys" color="#C0C0C0"> Mabmoro has been quite content lately. He ate a truly decadent meal lately. He talked with a friend lately. He made a satisfying acquisition lately. He had a satisfying sparring session recently. He sustained minor injuries lately. He was annoyed by vermin. He drank something spoiled lately. He was caught in the rain recently.

He is a citizen of The United States.

Mabmoro likes obsidian, steel, and computers for their powerful gaming. When possible, he likes to consume anything nearby.

He can't be bothered with frantic, fast-paced living. He is not a risk-taker. He finds helping others rewarding. He is always tense and jittery. He does not have a great aesthetic sensitivity. He is often cheerful. He truly treasures the company of others. He is bored by reality and has a wonderful imagination. He is entranced by riddles and puzzles and loves to debate issues and ideas. He is completely disorganized. He is self-conscious. He is compassionate.</font></div>

== Fortress Logs ==

Starting this up for my own reference, primarily.

My first fortress in the newest version... twice dead. Reason? Demons. First time I ever found raw adamantine... and first time I ever lost a fortress for any reason but thirst/hunger. Even the reclaim of 70 (!) dwarves all died at the hands of demons... after killing 68 frog demons and 14 regular ones. A good showing, but not enough, apparently.

Im going to reclaim it again soon, the 100-200 adamantine I mined cant go to waste!

40d Talk:Immigration

2008-09-09T19:08:12Z

Mabmoro: /* "Your fortress attracted no migrants this season." */

40d Talk:Immigration

2008-09-09T19:07:31Z

Mabmoro: /* Seasons and Immigration */

User:Mabmoro

2008-09-08T01:12:32Z

Mabmoro:

Mabmoro has been quite content lately. He ate a truly decadent meal lately. He talked with a friend lately. He made a satisfying acquisition lately. He had a satisfying sparring session recently. He sustained minor injuries lately. He was annoyed by vermin. He drank something spoiled lately. He was caught in the rain recently.

He is a citizen of The United States.

Mabmoro likes obsidian, steel, and computers for their powerful gaming. When possible, he likes to consume anything nearby.

He can't be bothered with frantic, fast-paced living. He is not a risk-taker. He finds helping others rewarding. He is always tense and jittery. He does not have a great aesthetic sensitivity. He is often cheerful. He truly treasures the company of others. He is bored by reality and has a wonderful imagination. He is entranced by riddles and puzzles and loves to debate issues and ideas. He is completely disorganized. He is self-conscious. He is compassionate.

== Fortress Logs ==

Starting this up for my own reference, primarily.

My first fortress in the newest version... twice dead. Reason? Demons. First time I ever found raw adamantine... and first time I ever lost a fortress for any reason but thirst/hunger. Even the reclaim of 70 (!) dwarves all died at the hands of demons... after killing 68 frog demons and 14 regular ones. A good showing, but not enough, apparently.

Im going to reclaim it again soon, the 100-200 adamantine I mined cant go to waste!

Urist

2008-09-06T20:06:55Z

Mabmoro:

"'''Urist'''" is the most popular [[dwarf]] name in the community. It is often used as a generic dwarven name.

The origin of the name's popularity seems to be the tale "[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=15572.0 One Dwarf Against the World]," a well-received narrative style account of a hermit fortress played in the 2D version.

40d:Island

2008-09-06T20:05:30Z

Mabmoro: Final edit, stub tag

{{Expand Topic}}

'''Islands''' are marked by several unique features.

They have no potable [[water]], not even from an [[aquifer]], from ponds, or from [[rain]]. You can survive just on [[alcohol]] without water (you can farm with salt water), but healing is a real problem.

The only [[civilization]] that will come to visit is [[dwarf|dwarven]]. But that also means no [[kobolds]] or [[goblins]].

{{World}}

[[Category:World]]

Template:World

2008-09-06T20:03:37Z

Mabmoro: Adding Island

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40d:Island

2008-09-06T20:03:34Z

Mabmoro: Linking

An island is marked by several unique features.

It has no potable [[water]], not even from an [[aquifer]], from ponds, or from [[rain]]. You can survive just on [[alcohol]] without water (you can farm with salt water), but healing is a real problem.

The only [[civilization]] that will come to visit is [[dwarf|dwarven]]. But that also means no [[kobolds]] or [[goblins]].

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40d Talk:Fire

2008-09-01T02:01:21Z

Mabmoro: /* Forest Fire */

How does fire spread in the new version. I don't have magma on my map so I haven't been able to experiment.

Maybe someone with experience could write up on the risks, ie how it spreads, how long it burns, how dwarfs react and what can be done to fight/prevent it. --[[User:Lucid|Lucid]] 21:09, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Could someone test to see what levels of water will extinguish fire somehow? Perhaps a fortress at high risk for fire could have emergency floodgates set up to dump precise reservoirs of water at important areas like the living quarters or food/booze stockpiles.

god save us if it is affected by the mud/blood bug too [[User:Thatguyyaknow|Thatguyyaknow]] 13:07, 8 November 2007 (EST)

no it ain't the blood bug, it's the fire bug. Someone copy and paste it from the old wiki. --[[User:Frostedfire|Frostedfire]] 22:14, 14 November 2007 (EST)

I can confirm that fire spreads to adjucent squares. My fortress catched fire (long story) and wooden barrels and bins on stockpiles burned. When they completety burned out their contents catched fire and many piles of 20 !!leather!!, 20 !!cloth!! and 20 or more !!seeds!! generated '''very''' heavy lags. I didn't pay attention if it spreads diagonally but a burning item on the floor makes all 8 squares around it "warm stone wall" just as magma do to it's 4 directly adjacent squares.--[[User:Another|Another]] 14:26, 26 November 2007 (EST)

Is there a way to intentionally start a fire? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 20:12, 5 January 2008 (EST)
:Dig into the side of a pool of lava. Remove a construction holding back lava. Open a wooden door holding back lava. Open a floodgate to lava. Some combination of pumps, stairs, ramps, walls, and stockpiles will allow you to choose what gets set on fire and where. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 00:59, 9 March 2008 (EST)

Fire doesn't seem to spread by walking near it though... I forbade a few burning corpses and the dwarves had no problem stepping over it without catching fire.

Possibly fire on items like clothing or corpses will only spread to dwarves touching it.

A more informative page than "fire sucks" might be useful. Maybe a list of fire sources, what objects will and won't burn, how fire spreads and measures you can take to limit the damage or stop it. Maybe telling your dwarves to dump water in your hallways to keep a nice [1/7] coating?

== Fireproof silk? ==

i noticed that cave spider silk clothes dont catch fire. i had a guy incinerated by magma touching him - he managed to move away and his silk clothing was all that was left [[User:Twiggie|Twiggie]] 14:06, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

== Forest Fire ==

I just started a new game near a volcano, in a forest. In the first winter, a fire imp left the caldera, and the forest burst into flame. Anyone see this before? The entire map went up in smoke... I lost 5 dwarves to it.
--[[User:Mabmoro|mabmoro]] 22:01, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Fire

2008-09-01T02:00:58Z

Mabmoro: Forest Fire

User:Mabmoro

2008-08-22T13:47:21Z

Mabmoro: /* Fortress Log */

User:Mabmoro

2008-08-22T13:10:13Z

Mabmoro: Adding fortress log for posterity.

User:Mabmoro

2008-08-22T01:14:32Z

Mabmoro:

User:Mabmoro

2008-08-22T01:14:09Z

Mabmoro:

40d Talk:Help! My civilians keep running into combat!

2008-08-21T15:09:49Z

Mabmoro: New page: == New options in v0.28.181.40a == The new options in v0.28.181.40a allow for objects to be forbidden automatically. Ive edited the article to match. --~~~~

== New options in v0.28.181.40a ==

The new options in v0.28.181.40a allow for objects to be forbidden automatically. Ive edited the article to match. --[[User:Mabmoro|mabmoro]] 11:09, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

40d:Help! My civilians keep running into combat!

2008-08-21T15:09:03Z

Mabmoro: /* Corpse looting */

After the bodies start falling, and sometimes even before, citizens will run like madmen right into the middle of a [[combat]] situation. We'd like to think of it as natural selection, but all dwarves are potentially that stupid.

==Causes==
===Corpse looting===
The most common cause is the death of a friend or enemy. A dying creature who carries objects drops those objects on death, and your dwarves just can't wait to start looting the corpses. Even the presence of hostiles will only deter them if they get close enough to be spooked, and then there's often no telling which direction they'll run - it's usually the wrong one. This behavior only occurs after someone dies. To prevent this behavior, as soon as bodies are generated immediately forbid ({{K|d}} - {{K|b}} - {{K|f}}) all objects they were carrying and their corpse - including all parts thereof. Dwarves will cancel jobs to retrieve forbidden items.

As of v0.28.181.40a, an option is available to automatically forbid objects and corpses killed on the map. You can access the options via the following key combo: {{K|o}} - {{K|F}}

===Outside tasks===
The second behavior which leads to civilian dwarves in avoidable combat situations is dwarves who try to take jobs which take them outside. This is really a more general version of the previous (as they are trying to job 'take item to depot' for dropped items), but can be generated by any object or stockpile that's sitting outside. This is much harder to deal with unless you've kept your stockpiles inside and kept track of every object outside, because finding them to forbid them can be difficult, especially on larger maps or maps with many outdoor z-levels. Finally, not all outdoor jobs are going to be item collecting jobs. Woodcutters will want to chop designated trees (deselect them to stop this or turn off the labor), fisherdwarfs are going to want to go fishing (turn off the fishing labor), trappers will want to trap and hunters will want to hunt (turn off these labors). You'll want to turn off gathering refuse from outside as well using the [[standing orders]] menu: ({{K|o}} - {{K|r}} - {{K|o}}).

===Rescue missions===
One last behavior which can (rarely) bring a civilian into combat is an attempt to rescue a wounded dwarf. Unfortunately you can't 'forbid' a living dwarf, but you can disable the "Health Care" job for the dwarf attempting the rescue. You may need to draft then undraft him to reset his health care job.

==Solutions==
==="All dwarves stay inside"===
You can order all your dwarves, or just non-soldier dwarves, to stay inside by using the standing orders menu: {{k|o}} - {{k|i}}. However this is often an ineffective solution because the prohibition only kicks in when a dwarf actually steps outside. Thus, if combat (or other enemy deterrence systems) are at or near your entrance, telling dwarves to stay inside will not help - they will still try to take these jobs, walk outside (right into a combat situation), and then realize they aren't supposed to be there, cancel the job, walk back inside, and try to take the same job again.

Setting only soldiers to go outside is not a cure-all, since soldiers can still generate Pickup Equipment jobs and run one by one into a hail of goblin crossbow fire.

===Remove distractions===
As described above, as soon as a siege or ambush occurs, turn off the labors of dwarves who have outdoor tasks (woodcutting, fishing, trapping and hunting), un-designate ({{k|d}} - {{k|x}}) trees or shrubs that were set to be cut or gathered, and forbid ({{k|d}}} - {{{k|f}}) anything outdoors that your dwarves might want to fetch (such as freshly-cut logs). Continue doing this as the combat progresses and bodies and items start dropping. Turning off refuse hauling, as described above ({{K|o}} - {{K|r}} - {{K|o}}), may help. So can telling dwarves not to collect bodies: {{k|o}} - {{k|g}} if you use stockpiles for dead dwarves (which [[coffin|you shouldn't]]).

===Batten down the hatches===
An easier solution to manage is locking all your dwarves inside, for instance by raising drawbridges. This tends to break invader AIs however, as they will just mill about outside (not walking forward into your traps) because they can't find a path to a dwarf. It also makes it more difficult to get military out to the invaders because when you open the doors your dwarves will start taking outdoor jobs again.

===Martial law===
One last solution is to draft all your civilian dwarves and station them somewhere deep within your fortress. It will generate a lot of unhappy thoughts, and kill your productivity for the duration of the siege, but it will stop them from being stupid. Watch out for newly-recruited dwarves who are set to equip armour or weapons, however: they may attempt to run out into the fray to equip themselves if 'Soldiers can go outside' is selected.

===Forward barracks===
Create your barracks, a food stockpile, weapons and armour stockpiles, small meeting hall, etc. near the entrance of your fort for your military dwarves to use. Have the rest of your fort separated by lockable doors. When fighting occurs, lock all non-military dwarves in the back of the fort where they can continue working undisturbed. Forcing all incoming traffic to move through your barracks has the added benefit of making it likely that any sneaky [[thief]] will be discovered in the middle of your sparring ground -- with predictably gruesome results for the thief.

The forward barracks concept can be extended by placing the barracks so far forward that they are on the surface, outside the fortress proper, forming a castle of sorts. This requires encircling walls or channels on the surface to force enemies into a designated approach path and block others, so there is more work required of the player. One benefit is that the "soldiers can go outside" order will keep civilians out of the castle, and thus hopefully out of harm's way; also this will consume large amounts of those stones that clutter up the fortress.

==Conclusion==
The existence of this problem is a strong argument for doing as much as you can to give your dwarves little reason to go outside. The fewer reasons your dwarves have for going outside, the fewer dwarves you will lose to crazy dwarves wandering into the line of fire. It has the side benefit of greatly reducing your casualties from ambushes. Strategies like building a [[trade depot]] indoors, behind a retractable drawbridge, will help keep your dwarves out of danger.

Providing indoor pastimes (like a [[sculpture garden]], [[zoo]], [[meeting hall]], or a meeting area [[zone]]) will make dwarves spend their break time in the fortress rather than outside. This will prevent dwarves from hanging around outside, which will lessen the likelihood that they will get caught outside when siegers arrive. Creative use of water resources to create an [[underground forest]] can limit danger to woodcutters. Hunters, haulers and other dwarves who have business outside will still be at risk.

{{Military FAQ}}

40d Talk:Mason's workshop

2008-08-21T13:41:29Z

Mabmoro: /* Specific Stones */

== Specific Stones ==
Is there a way to specify which stone to use for the building of an item. Say I want a mudstone door not a basalt door? [[User:Ehertlein|Ehertlein]] 12:37, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

:Not at the current time. It seems like the dwarves use the closest stone.--[[User:Mabmoro|mabmoro]] 12:54, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

::Thanks, I'll just deal with non-matching doors for now :) [[User:Ehertlein|Ehertlein]] 12:55, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

:::You can also either forbid or dump the stone that you dont want them to use via the Stock menu. Make sure your bookkeeper has put accuracy high, though, since the average fortress will have a LOT of stone.--[[User:Mabmoro|mabmoro]] 13:08, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

::::Forbidding the stone will mean my dwarves wont use it for anything though correct? So if I didn't want the obsidian used for doors and beds but I did want it for crafts, that wouldn't work?

:::::Correct, from my experience. --[[User:Mabmoro|mabmoro]] 09:41, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

::Note that a dwarf will pick up and use the closest stone to where they were when they were assigned the task, which is not necessarily the closest stone to the workshop (if they were previously in a meeting area, for example). --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 00:37, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Mist

2008-08-13T01:42:16Z

Mabmoro: /* Lava Mist */

I don't have any place to build my own waterfall, so if anyone knows... Is the mist generated by the '''falling''' or by the '''landing''' water? I.e. if it falls sevel levels down, will the mist be generated on every level, or only at the bottom?--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 00:07, 14 January 2008 (EST)
:'''Falling''' water generates mist, afaik. (Be warned, falling magma generates magma mist, which is deadly!) [[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 15:01, 14 January 2008 (EST)
::You seem to have experimented a bit with [[magma mist]], greymario. Could you help expand the article? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:35, 14 January 2008 (EST)
:::Or, well, last I heard it was deadly, anyway. I haven't needed to make lava waterfalls yet, thank god. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 16:08, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

== Lava Mist ==

I just started to divert a river into a volcano (magma vent) and every now and then theres a cave in. When that happens, a column of 'Lava Mist' is created... what is this? --[[User:Mabmoro|mabmoro]] 21:42, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Mist

2008-08-13T01:39:46Z

Mabmoro: Lava Mist

40d Talk:Carp

2008-08-10T16:50:01Z

Mabmoro: /* New Version */

==King of the Animals?==
[[Unicorn|There is another contender for the position of King of the Animals, and this one is land-based.]] --[[User:BDR|BDR]] 14:42, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Hmm, what about the other fish? sea lampreys? pike? etc? what about them? Do they just get shunted, and their named champions brushed aside?

:I was going to propose the eagles that seem untargetable as they fly in, grab a dwarf, then drop him from a dizzying height whereupon he spats into chunks on the ground.--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 03:45, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

::Well, until Toady lets carp and elephants fight each other to settle this once and for all, perhaps carp should be King of the Sea and elephants King of the Land. Eagles can have King of the Air.--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:53, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

:::Hmm, wonder if you can have those eagles tamed. Dwarven air force anyone? --[[User:Frostedfire|frostedfire]] 10:02, 9 November 2007 (AEDT)

::::All the other types of hostile fish (e.g. longnose gar, pike, etc) are just as dangerous as carp, or were the last time I had a fort on a river infested by them (it was a "major river" which was only 4 or 5 tiles wide, had about 3 different kinds of hostile fish, and no carp). --[[User:SL|SL]] 12:06, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

:Solen > carp. Who'd win--a fish, or [http://uo.stratics.com/hunters/Pics/transpar/fireantwarrior.gif this]? ~ [[User:Midna|Midna]] 13:18, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

==Biome/habitat==
It might be worth noting somewhere that you only seem to get "dangerous" fish if you have an actual river (or coastline?). If you only have a brook and murky pools, you get our old friends turtles and salmon who never attack or scare anyone. From what I can tell, salmon, turtles, and char seem to be classified as vermin, not creatures, so they don't freak out the dwarfs. The aquifer seems safe too, though that may depend on what other water sources are nearby.

Can anyone confirm or refute? -- [[User:Angela Christine|Angela Christine]] 19:32, 9 November 2007 (EST)

::From what I've seen, this is correct. While starting and abandoning several fortresses trying to get the handle of making machines and other devious devices, 5 out of 5 fortresses started next to brooks generated no dangerous fish, while 3 of the 4 started next to major rivers and 2 out of 2 started on the coast had my poor dwarves molested by those vile things. --[[User:TheUbie|TheUbie]] 01:57, 18 November 2007 (EST)

:::Brooks cannot contain fish because they don't exist on two z-levels, at least that's what I've seen. No fish. --[[User:Vanan|Vanan]] 00:52, 26 November 2007 (EST)

::::Brooks exist on z-levels the same way rivers do, however brook tiles are filled with rock which means no fish can be in them (and is why dwarves can walk on them). Channeling a brook so it shows 'real' water will cause it to occasionally get fish like all other pools of water, however large fish such as carp never seem to migrate onto the map so you won't get any of them, just the small 'vermin' fish. --[[User:BurnedToast|BurnedToast]] 00:14, 5 December 2007 (EST)

:::::Brooks don't have "river" biome. Creatures (vermin included) are generated in biomes. That's why no goats spawn in your fortress, but olms do, if you have corridor near cave river. If you flooded entire river with magma, and then refilled it with water carp would probably respawn. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 17:25, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

:::::: Almost all fish do not scare dwarves, but undead versions do. [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 07:26, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

== Carp symbols ==

I was only curious, since the wiki article lacked a picture, and me and some others would like to know, what does the carp look like in game. Thank you for the help beforehand.
:Please do sign your edits with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. At any rate, the fish icon is best described as such: three quarters of an infinity sign. Plain meat has the same symbol. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 15:01, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
::I'd say it looks like an alpha sign. Almost all fishes are blue-colored because they count as underwater. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 17:25, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

:::Salmon are pink though [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 06:44, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

== Butchering? ==

Has anyone managed to butcher a carp, and if so what do you get from it? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 15:01, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
:I've never managed it, but I've only had carp once. Next time I get them I'll cheat really fast and dam the river to see what I can do with the air-drowned carp afterwards.--[[User:Eurytus|Eurytus]] 21:56, 2 April 2008 (EST)

== New Version ==

In the new version, I have had two fortresses right next to a river filled chock full of carp, and have yet to see a dwarf even get a scrape from one. Have they been toned down to more 'realistic' strength, or have I been obscenely lucky? --[[User:Mabmoro|Mabmoro]] 10:37, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

:Can you say what version it is? [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 06:43, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

::I dont recall the version number, but so far in v0.28.181.39f, I havent gotten it either. None of the more recent versions have had aggressive carp, unless they were floating skeleton carp.

::I also checked the raws- they're the same for damage... maybe its a hardcoded difference?--[[User:Mabmoro|mabmoro]] 12:50, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Metal crafter

2008-08-08T01:49:41Z

Mabmoro: Adamantine Clothes

== Adamantine Clothes ==

Im trying to figure out what skill is used for creating adamantine clothes... does anyone know? --[[User:Mabmoro|mabmoro]] 21:49, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

40d:Things to Do

2008-08-04T18:46:30Z

Mabmoro: Spelling Check

'''The basic point of Fortress mode is:'''
*Build/[[dig]] a place for your dwarves to work and live
*Ensure survivability by providing [[food]] and [[water]]/[[alcohol|drink]] for every dwarf
*Provide basic comfort by building [[bed]]s/[[Bedroom|quarter]]s, a [[dining room]]
*Defend your fortress ([[trap]]s/[[military]])
*From the way Toady implements some features, have a lot of (twisted) [[fun]]
*Accumulate [[wealth]]
*Build and sustain a bustling fortress full 200 dwarf fortress (this is already a bit "optional")

Most people prefer to do some/most of these steps:
*Expand the cave to have own specific areas for specific purposes ([[Bedroom]]s, [[workshops]], [[farm]]s etc)
*Create various items for exporting ([[Trade]])
*Create a working [[military]]
*Dig out the wealth of the mountain/ground (Mainly [[platinum]], [[gold]], [[gem]]s, [[adamantine]] etc)
*Create luxury for your dwarves and a generally grand and nicely smoothed fortress
*Generally make your fort self-sustaining and self-supplied
*Experiment with and experience the full depth of all game features
*Kill Elves
*Create the worlds largest Brewery

Beyond this, it's really up to your own imagination what you wish to do. After all, this game is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_game sandbox game]. The possibilities are endless.
If you feel the need to play a more goal-based game, then check out the list of [[game goals]] for suggestions.

{{Game Basics FAQ}}

40d Talk:Mason's workshop

2008-08-04T17:08:01Z

Mabmoro: /* Specific Stones */

40d Talk:Mason's workshop

2008-08-04T16:54:35Z

Mabmoro:

40d:Status

2008-08-04T00:46:02Z

Mabmoro: /* Animal Status Screen */ Correcting error

Pressing {{key|z}} during [[Dwarf Fortress Mode]] brings up the '''status screen'''.

This screen contains a large amount of useful information about your fortress and its residents.

=== Title Bar ===
The very top row of the screen shows the settlement name and class, followed by the year and season.
=== Menu Bar ===
Along the top of the status screen, are various choices for sub-menus. Each can be highlighted with {{key|4}} and {{key|6}}, and then selected with {{key|Enter}}. The menu bar consists of the following options:

* [[Animals]] - The Animal Status screen allows you to manipulate animals belonging to your dwarves.
* [[Kitchen]] - The Kitchen Status screen allows you to set cooking and brewing permissions for any ingredients currently in your fortress.
* [[Stone]] - The Stone Status screen allows you alter permissions on various types of stones that may be reserved for specific uses by default.
* [[Stocks]] - The Stocks Status screen allows you examine the number of various items that your fortress and its residents possess.
* [[Prices]] - The Prices Status screen becomes available once you have an [[economy]]. It allows you to examine the fortress's item prices.
* [[Currency]] - The Currency Status screen becomes available once you have an economy. It allows you to examine how much of each coin type you have (and recommendations from your broker on how many you ''should'' have).
* [[Justice]] - The Justice Status screen becomes available once you have a [[Sheriff]]. It allows you to examine any dwarves currently incarcerated, as well as their crime and sentence.

=== Main Status Screen ===
This is the screen that appears by default when you press {{key|z}}.

It lists a bunch of useful information, and grows more useful as your dwarves gain skills.
* The upper left hand corner lists the amount of [[wealth]] created by your fortress. This figure is slightly misleading; it is the total value of goods that currently exists in your fortress that you have created, and that you have not exported. Presumably, this is one of the ways that the game calculates how advanced your fortress is, for determining how likely you are to receive [[immigration]], get be[[siege]]d, or get better trade goods from [[caravan]]s. Note that this figure will only show if you have a [[broker]] with [[appraisal]].
* Below that, the status screen lists trade information. This also requires a broker with the appraisal skill.
** Imports represent the total value of foreign made goods in your fortress. Therefore this includes the value of things such as the clothes brought in by immigrants, the equipment dropped by dead goblin invaders, and so forth. However, foreign made goods that have been decorated, processed or consumed (such as food) do not count towards this total. Goods that are stolen (by [[rhesus macaques]], for example) seem to count towards this total despite the fact that they are no longer on the map.
** Exports represent the total value of goods made by your fortress that you have traded to other civilizations.
** A hypothetical example:
*** You buy (rope reed cloth) worth 50. This increases imports by 50. You then make this into a rope reed bag worth 100. This reduces imports by 50 (since it is no longer considered by the game to be foreign made). Fortress wealth increases by 100. You then export this bag. Fortress wealth decreases by 100, and exports increase by 100.
* Below that, you will see a list of your food stores. These all come with question marks, until you have a [[bookkeeper]] with the [[record keeper]] skill. Depending on how skilled he is, and how accurate you want the counts, you will get better numbers. Note that the Bookkeeper will need an [[office]] to take inventory, and it will take some time for him to count.
** TODO: Include some sort of statistics as to how many units of food/drink a dwarf consumes per meal/drink/season/year/etc.

* The rest of the screen is taken up by your population display, indicating the number of dwarves in your fortress, and their occupations. Only the dwarves' most skilled occupation counts for this screen. It allows you to see at a glance who you have available, which gets increasingly useful the larger your population grows.
** An important note is that the right hand side, displaying military Dwarves, only includes dwarves that are currently active in the military. When deactivated, these Dwarves are displayed in the left column, under their civilian job.

=== Animal Status Screen ===
This screen shows a list of all animals that are owned by the fortress or its residents, but does not include any wild animals in the region, nor animals belonging to invaders or caravans.

The animals are listed down the left hand column of the screen. Some useful information about this list:
* The word "stray" indicates that the animal is not any Dwarf's pet. In the case of [[war dogs]], it means the dog has not been assigned to a dwarf.
* Named animals are often a result of being named before joining your fortress, and usually means they were owned by an immigrant who game in. Named animals may also have made a kill.

The right hand column (owner) lists the current status of each individual animal in your fortress. This status can take one of several forms:
* Available - This animal is available for adoption as a pet.
* Work Animal - This animal has been trained as either a hunting dog or war dog, and has not been assigned an owner.
* Unavailable - This animal currently cannot be claimed as a pet.
* Uninterested - Cats, being superior to all other creatures, cannot be assigned as pets. Instead, they will adopt an owner at their whim.
* A Dwarf's Name - This animal belongs to the listed dwarf. Pets can provide happiness to their owners.

Controls:
* {{key|Enter}} - Toggles its availability. This can only be done on "available" or "unavailable" creatures.
* {{key|b}} - Marks an animal for slaughter. Note that you cannot mark animals for slaughter once they belong to a dwarf. Also, some animals may not be slaughterable.

=== Kitchen Status Screen ===
This screen contains a list of all items currently within the fortress that can be used for either [[cooking]] or [[brewing]]. The items are listed down the left hand side of the screen. A bit right of center, is a column listing the number of each ingredient currently possessed. This number does not seem to rely upon the Bookkeeper, as it never seems to have question marks.

The permissions column to the right is subdivided into two additional columns. One for cooking and one for brewing. This is the most important part of this tab, as it shows you whether dwarves are currently allowed to use the given ingredient for the given task. Possible values are:
* Red - This item could be used for the task, but is currently disallowed.
* Blue - This items is able to be used for the task, and dwarves have permission to do so.
* ---- - This indicates that the given item cannot be used in this way. For example, Deer Meat cannot be brewed.

Controls:
* {{key|c}} - Toggles permission to cook the highlighted item.
* {{key|b}} - Toggles permission to brew the highlighted item.

=== Stone Status Screen ===
This screen lists all [[economic stones]] found within the game. These are stones that have a value and purpose. As an example, [[chalk]] can be used in the process of creating [[steel]].

This screen can be critically useful to you, depending on where you choose to found your Fortress. This is because, by default, economic stones can '''only''' be used for their given purpose(s) unless they are mentioned as the layer stone on the [[regions]] screen. Which means that if you happen to have access to only economic stones, your masons will be unable to use it for building buildings or furniture or the like. If you attempt to do so, your mason will cancel the job, with the message that he "requires non-economic rock".

By going into the stone status section, you can allow your dwarves to use economic stone for any purpose. Simply scroll through the list to the particular stone you have an abundance of, and press {{key|Enter}} to toggle its availability for menial tasks. This will change the stone's color from red to green.

Note that this screen, despite being a status screen, does not actually give you any information on the stones you currently possess.

=== Stocks Status Screen ===
The stocks screen shows you a list of all of the goods your Dwarves own. Its accuracy relies heavily upon the Bookkeeper.

The left side of the screen lists the categories of all the items in your fortress. To the right of this, are two columns, listing numbers. The number to the left is the number of items accessible to use, (in a [[stockpile]] or scattered on the floor) and beside that in red is the number of inaccessible items. (parts of buildings, remains of pets and citizens, marked forbidden, marked for melting or dumping, belonging to traders, etc.)

To the right of these numbers are the goods themselves. By pressing {{key|Tab}} you can toggle between the detailed mode, which shows each item individually, along with relevant name/quality data, or the list mode, which shows items in stacks.

=== Prices Status Screen ===
{{Expand Topic}}

This screen lists the price of (most) goods by category on the left. (Most) Nobles can alter the price of a good. Prices are in the form of a percentage.

=== Currency Status Screen ===
{{Expand Topic}}
This screen lists how many [[coin]]s of gold, silver and copper you have minted. It also listed how many your coins of each type that your bookkeeper recommends your fortress needs. Note that many players recommend not minting any coins and the figure given by the bookkeeper appears to have little to no affect on the game.

=== Justice Status Screen ===
{{Expand Topic}}

This option only appears when a fortress is large enough to need a [[sheriff]] to dispense [[justice]].

This screen will show the total number of [[chain]]s and [[cage]]s available for justice, as well as the number currently in use, in the top right hand corner. If you have adequate chains and cages (one for every 10 dwarves) the number will be blue, and red if you don't.

Along the left hand side is the list of people in the room. For actual prisoners, the number of days they have been jailed will be listed on the right hand side, along with the person who jailed them, and their title.

[[Category:Interface]]
[[Category:Stub]]

40d:Magma

2008-08-04T00:16:58Z

Mabmoro: /* Magma reactions */ Observations

Magma is red-hot molten rock present in [[volcano]]es, as well as magma pools and magma pipes. It serves as an energy source, powering [[magma forge]]s, [[magma glass furnace]]s and [[magma smelter]]s. It is extremely dangerous.

==Magma sources==

While in previous versions of Dwarf Fortress, every map was guaranteed to have magma, since v0.27.169.32a magma is now a feature of terrain and may or may not be present.

Magma occurs in three different features; Magma pools, Magma Pipes, and [[Volcano|Volcanoes]].

* A '''Magma Pool''' is a reservoir of magma that occupies only a few Z-Levels in the mountain, without reaching the surface. Magma Pools can be very small, and may have few suitable locations for buildings that rely on magma. Magma in these pools is limited, and pools will not refill with magma once emptied.

* A '''Magma Pipe''' starts at the lowest z-level of the map from an magma (or lava) flow and extend in a pipe shape upwards, sometimes reaching the surface but often not. Magma Pipes gradually refill with magma.

* A [[Volcano]] is similar to a magma pipe, but it has the advantage of being a geographical feature that is visible on the [[location]] screen. This means that it is a lot easier to find. However, it IS actually possible for a volcano that shows up on the "local" and region screen in the starting location chooser to be entirely underground - Although you could see it in the starting location chooser, it would not be visible from the surface once your dwarves have arrived at the fort's site.

== Finding magma ==

Volcanos are visible on the "local" screen in the starting location chooser. It is represented as a red ≈ mark (a double tilde) - essentially it looks like red water. Note that red ≈ marks in the "region" screen mean something different entirely (e.g. red sand).
If you are using a certain [[utility]], you can also see magma pools and magma pipes on the local screen in the embark menu.
After you have embarked for a place that has a volcano, and once your dwarves have arrived at their target destination, you should see a large red pool of lava on your map. If you don't, you should expect your volcano to be somewhere underground. You then have to use [[exploratory mining]] to find it.

While picking a starting location, the easiest place to look for magma is on or near a [[volcano]] (a red ^ mark in the "region" screen). There are often volcanic islands (easy to find, since they are the sole land in the middle of oceans), but since sea travel is not yet implemented, trade with other races may not be possible on such islands. Instead, find a volcano on land, and (optionally) start looking for a vent in nearby squares. "Nearby squares" can mean anything from literally on top of the volcano, to adjacent, to quite a long distance away indeed. The placement of magma seems to be related to the distance from volcanoes, but is still essentially random.

Magma vents occur exclusively in world map tiles that are primarily igneous extrusive. That is to say, if you select an entire tile on the embarkation screen and press F1 to highlight the most common terrain, the tile will only have magma if the top stone is dark gray, signifying igneous extrusive rock. Magma does not necessarily form in this geological zone/biome, rather anywhere in the tile. Even if magma is not evident on the surface, it's almost certain to be underground somewhere, though the chances of finding it without reveal.exe are still slim.

Much harder than simply finding a magma vent is finding a magma vent that is also near suitable terrain for building. Depending on your requirements - you may be looking for a source of running water, or a mountain for minerals, or a healthy tree population, a layer of [[flux]] for steel production or even all four - suitable building sites can be extremely scarce.

Since volcanoes show up on the region finder, and magma vents do not, you may find it easier to simply check all volcanoes on a map for suitability, and generate a new world if none are suitable, rather than scouring tile after tile for magma vents.

If you're willing to search exhaustively, you might want to consider finding magma vents that are not near volcanoes at all. Very occasionally, magma will be visible in the middle of forests, plains, or other terrain nowhere near a volcano or even mountains. There is no way to spot these on the region map, so you have to review the local maps. This can be done from DF, but since it involves a lot of scrolling and is very tedious, you can try exporting the local map of the world which can be much more quickly searched for the distinctive red ≈ symbol.

You can also occasionally find magma that does not extend all the way to the surface, and therefore is not visible on the local map. These are in fact much more numerous than surface-visible magma vents; however, they are almost impossible to find without cheating via one of the [[utilities]] like "reveal.exe", since unlike proper magma vents these smaller deposits must be almost literally mined into to see (you will get a warning about "warm stone" before you actually breach the deposit). These smaller magma deposits appear in the same places as normal magma vents - near volcanoes, or, failing that, near other known magma.

The newly-added "Site Finder" feature neatly sidesteps all of this legwork, allowing you to search for a site with a magma pool or pipe without having to manually check each tile on the world map. Note that unless you edit the .init file so that magma features are shown on the local map, you won't know exactly ''where'' the lava is prior to embarking- just that it exists. Depending on whether or not you like a little mystery, this can be turned on or off at will.

== Using magma ==

On a map with a magma vent, the magma will be clearly visible from every level ground and below, unless the map is in a Freezing area. In Freezing areas, the top few levels of the vent will have cooled to form an obsidian "cap". This should still be readily recognizable however, as it will comprise a circular area. The minerals directly adjacent to the magma vent will also be immediately visible, even at the lowest level of the map, which can give some hints about where to prospect for ores.

The vent has a similar, circular shape on each level. However, it is not identical from one level to the next; some levels will have a larger or somewhat misshapen circle of magma.

The primary use for magma is to power [[magma smelter]]s, [[magma glass furnace]]s and [[magma forge]]s. (There are other uses, including defense, [[obsidian]] production, and possibly even garbage disposal.) To build forges, etc. on magma, at least one of the external eight squares must be above a square of magma.

This can be done most easily by simply building on ground level. The magma is visible from ground level but is actually contained one level below ground level, just like any ground-level water source.

To build underground, you will need to dig at least one tile of a [[channel]] above the location you wish to build the smelter or forge. Underneath this channel there must be magma, either directly from the vent or channeled from the vent. You can simply build a tunnel straight into the magma, or use channels to tap into the magma on the level below safely - this latter is easier if there is more magma on the lower level than the level on which you wish to build. Tapping into magma directly is quite safe, provided that you are prepared for it. Magma is much slower than water, and can be stopped by a simple floodgate.

Volcanoes and magma tubes slowly replenish their supply of magma.

==Magma compared to water==

Magma is a chunky liquid. As such, it acts like water in certain circumstances, but acts differently in others.

===Similarities===

*Magma fills a tile and has seven possible depths.

*Magma flows outward and downward to expand into clear space.

*Screw pumps work in magma.

*Floodgates and pressure plates work in magma.

*Constructed walls of all kinds safely contain magma.

*Objects thrown into magma sink to the bottom.

*Magma that is only 1 deep "evaporates" over time.

===Differences===

*Magma is extremely hot, and capable of melting objects and constructions made of most materials (see [[Magma#Magma vs. Built Objects|Magma vs. Built Objects]]) and thus destroying them.

*Magma is never pressurized, it seeps out of holes slower than water and slow enough for any dwarves to outrun, unless they are the ones digging into it.

*Magma flows up from a direct vertical line from the bottom of a [[Magma#Magma sources|Magma Pipe]] only. Otherwise, its level may rise only by dripping more magma from above, and new magma may only distribute itself by moving down or to the sides, but never up.

*Magma reacts violently with water, releasing steam and, depending on the amount of magma, leaving behind tiles of solid obsidian which can be mined, smoothed or engraved like any natural tile.

*Magma is not a water source. Dwarves can't drink it or supply it to their wounded.

== Magma vs. Built Objects ==

Some objects that come in contact with magma will function fine, no matter what their material. Others will melt or cease to work properly unless they're made of [[magma-safe materials]].

* Workshops that are powered by magma need not be built of magma-safe materials to function.

* Constructed [[wall]]s of any material, even those that are not "Magma-safe", will hold magma in without issues.

* Like walls, [[door]]s can also be built out of any material and still hold back lava as long as it's in the "closed" position. It may be wise to make sure hallways/rooms close to an engineering project involving magma have plenty of doors, just in case you have a little too much [[fun]] when you forget to build that last [[floodgate]].

* Bridges that are built <i>over</i> magma may be constructed of any material. However, bridges that are <i>submerged</i> in magma must be constructed of a magma-safe material.

* Most machines must be made of [[magma-safe materials]] to function for more than a few minutes in magma. This includes [[floodgate]]s and [[screw pump]]s. Unsafe materials will function for a while, but then burn away.

* Stone mechanisms attached to a construction will melt in magma unless made of bauxite or raw adamantine, even if the construction itself is made of steel. In addition, if the mechanisms melt off of a floodgate, the floodgate will cease to be "constructed" and become an unplaced item again.{{version|0.27.176.38c}} At this point, the magma will flow over it freely.

== Temperature settings ==

Magma is almost harmless if temperature is disabled in the Dwarf Fortress init file. It can still trap and suffocate or simply starve your dwarves in some situations. It will not melt bridges, etc. constructed of non-[[magma-proof]] materials.

== Magma reactions ==

*Water: If magma happens to contact water it produces some steam and [[obsidian]]. This means there is no longer any chance of using a prolonged contact between the two to create a steam trap, though steam is also likely now not harmful. For those of you who aren't veteran dwarves, in the old 2D version, steam was deadly.
*[[Brook]]s: If magma comes in contact with a brook, it will not produce steam, but will turn the water tile below the brook to obsidian, and give the brook tile the appearance of a dried-up brook.
*Rocks: [[stone|Rock]]s left over from mining will melt if magma covers them.
*Speed: Magma moves relatively slowly. While it is nearly impossible to try to seal off water let loose, magma is slow enough for your dwarves to build a floodgate or door, or even wall off the flooding area, if you happen to let magma loose by mistake.
*Pressure: Magma does not transmit [[water pressure|pressure]].
: Observation. I have witnessed Magma "blurp" up through a channel, while working with a Volcano. In this particular case, a floor built in the volcano, 1 z level down. (This level was created by dropping water into the volcano from overhead, create a obsidian layer.)
: Agreed. Something similar happened to me, I built my first magma forge area, with a channel of 7 deep magma below. It was fine for ages, then suddenly the whole forge area had been covered with 1 layer deep magma. There was no where else for it to have come from, so im guessing it must have 'blurped' up through my uncovered magma channels in the forge area.
: Seconded. I found a z-level where there was room in the main volcano to make a channel to fuel the forges. A few minutes after the mining was done, 3 spaces around the hole had 1/7 magma in them. I believe that this happened because there was a straight line down from the hole to the bottom of the map.

[[Category:Physics]]
{{Magma FAQ}}

40d:Things to Do

2008-08-02T23:47:55Z

Mabmoro: Linkage fix.

'''The basic point of Fortress mode is:'''
*Build/[[dig]] a place for your dwarves to work and live
*Ensure survivability by providing [[food]] and [[water]]/[[alcohol|drink]] for every dwarf
*Provide basic comfort by building [[bed]]s/[[Bedroom|quarter]]s, a [[dining room]]
*Defend your fortress ([[trap]]s/[[military]])
*From the way Toady implements some features, have a lot of (twisted) [[fun]]
*Accumulate [[wealth]]
*Build and sustain a bustling fortress full 200 dwarf fortress (this is already a bit "optional")

Most people prefer to do some/most of these steps:
*Expand the cave to have own specific areas for specific purposes ([[Bedroom]]s, [[workshops]], [[farm]]s etc)
*Create various items for exporting ([[Trade]])
*Create a working [[military]]
*Dig out the wealth of the mountain/ground (Mainly [[platinum]], [[gold]], [[gem]]s, [[adamantine]] etc)
*Create luxury for your dwarves and a generally grand and nicely smoothed fortress
*Generally make your fort self-sustaining and self-supplied
*Experiment with and experience the full depth of all game features

Beyond this, it's really up to your own imagination what you wish to do. After all, this game is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_game sandbox game]. The possibilities are endless.
If you feel the need to play a more goal-based game, then check out the list of [[game goals]] for suggestions.

{{Game Basics FAQ}}

40d:Bin

2008-07-30T00:08:28Z

Mabmoro: Grammar

A '''Bin''' is a specially made basket for certain [[stockpiles]]. A bin can be made from one [[wood|wooden log]] at a [[carpenter's workshop]] or three bars of [[metal]] at a [[forge]]. Bins make it possible to store lots of objects into one tile of a stockpile. A stockpile without a bin will likely fill up fast, leaving any remaining items where they are to get in the way.

Stockpiles that use bins are [[ammo]], [[armor]], [[bar]]s/[[block]]s, [[cloth]], [[Currency|coins]], [[finished goods]], [[gems]], [[leather]] and [[weapons]]. [[Food]] stockpiles use [[barrel]]s instead of bins. Other stockpiles do not use anything at all.

When possible, dwarves will organize stockpiles with multiple bins into subgroups. Dwarves can mix items in a bin when given the order to through the stockpile menu.

Bins also save time when hauling goods to the [[trade depot]], as a bin marked for trade will be carried along with all its contents.
Note that bins of metal and rock can become too heavy for most dwarves to move in one day, or if the distance is long enough, even a season.

See [[stockpiles]] for more information on how things are organized with bins.

[[Category:Furniture]]

User:Mabmoro

2008-07-29T14:38:13Z

Mabmoro: New page: Not much to say- Im a Dwarf Fortress addict with revolving door fortresses- at least 3 per version, and I end up abandoning them regularly. My record is 60 dwarves in a year (dont ask me h...

Not much to say- Im a Dwarf Fortress addict with revolving door fortresses- at least 3 per version, and I end up abandoning them regularly. My record is 60 dwarves in a year (dont ask me how, I have no clue...)

40d Talk:Carp

2008-07-29T14:37:16Z

Mabmoro:

[[Unicorn|There is another contender for the position of King of the Animals, and this one is land-based.]] --[[User:BDR|BDR]] 14:42, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

Hmm, what about the other fish? sea lampreys? pike? etc? what about them? Do they just get shunted, and their named champions brushed aside?

:I was going to propose the eagles that seem untargetable as they fly in, grab a dwarf, then drop him from a dizzying height whereupon he spats into chunks on the ground.--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 03:45, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

::Well, until Toady lets carp and elephants fight each other to settle this once and for all, perhaps carp should be King of the Sea and elephants King of the Land. Eagles can have King of the Air.--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:53, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

:::Hmm, wonder if you can have those eagles tamed. Dwarven air force anyone? --[[User:Frostedfire|frostedfire]] 10:02, 9 November 2007 (AEDT)

:Solen > carp. Who'd win--a fish, or [http://uo.stratics.com/hunters/Pics/transpar/fireantwarrior.gif this]? ~ [[User:Midna|Midna]] 13:18, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

It might be worth noting somewhere that you only seem to get "dangerous" fish if you have an actual river (or coastline?). If you only have a brook and murky pools, you get our old friends turtles and salmon who never attack or scare anyone. From what I can tell, salmon, turtles, and char seem to be classified as vermin, not creatures, so they don't freak out the dwarfs. The aquifer seems safe too, though that may depend on what other water sources are nearby.

Can anyone confirm or refute? -- [[User:Angela Christine|Angela Christine]] 19:32, 9 November 2007 (EST)

::From what I've seen, this is correct. While starting and abandoning several fortresses trying to get the handle of making machines and other devious devices, 5 out of 5 fortresses started next to brooks generated no dangerous fish, while 3 of the 4 started next to major rivers and 2 out of 2 started on the coast had my poor dwarves molested by those vile things. --[[User:TheUbie|TheUbie]] 01:57, 18 November 2007 (EST)

:::Brooks cannot contain fish because they don't exist on two z-levels, at least that's what I've seen. No fish. --[[User:Vanan|Vanan]] 00:52, 26 November 2007 (EST)

::::Brooks exist on z-levels the same way rivers do, however brook tiles are filled with rock which means no fish can be in them (and is why dwarves can walk on them). Channeling a brook so it shows 'real' water will cause it to occasionally get fish like all other pools of water, however large fish such as carp never seem to migrate onto the map so you won't get any of them, just the small 'vermin' fish. --[[User:BurnedToast|BurnedToast]] 00:14, 5 December 2007 (EST)

:::::Brooks don't have "river" biome. Creatures (vermin included) are generated in biomes. That's why no goats spawn in your fortress, but olms do, if you have corridor near cave river. If you flooded entire river with magma, and then refilled it with water carp would probably respawn. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 17:25, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
== Carp symbols ==

I was only curious, since the wiki article lacked a picture, and me and some others would like to know, what does the carp look like in game. Thank you for the help beforehand.
:Please do sign your edits with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. At any rate, the fish icon is best described as such: three quarters of an infinity sign. Plain meat has the same symbol. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 15:01, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
::I'd say it looks like an alpha sign. Almost all fishes are blue-colored because they count as underwater. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 17:25, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

== Butchering? ==

Has anyone managed to butcher a carp, and if so what do you get from it? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 15:01, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
:I've never managed it, but I've only had carp once. Next time I get them I'll cheat really fast and dam the river to see what I can do with the air-drowned carp afterwards.--[[User:Eurytus|Eurytus]] 21:56, 2 April 2008 (EST)

== New Version ==

In the new version, I have had two fortresses right next to a river filled chock full of carp, and have yet to see a dwarf even get a scrape from one. Have they been toned down to more 'realistic' strength, or have I been obscenely lucky? --[[User:Mabmoro|Mabmoro]] 10:37, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Carp

2008-07-29T14:36:52Z

Mabmoro: