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40d Talk:Stairs

2009-03-03T02:51:32Z

KittenyKat: /* Falling */

Looks to me like the "remove down stairs" option is missing. But if you rewall it ([b] - [C] - [w]), and then designate it for "Remove Construction" ([d] - [n]), that works to get rid of it. Or just rewall it and leave it as a wall. --Peristarkawan 20:44, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

You remove down stairs by building a floor ([b] - [C] - [f]) over them. "Down stairs" are just holes in the floor. [[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 19:45, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

It seems that building an up/down stairway is the easiest way to build underground. --Vbraun 21:06, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

I'm betting that dwarves can traverse ramps faster than stairs, but I haven't tested this yet. --Peristarkawan 21:18, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

I initially tried creating a ramp to dig upwards, and my miner refused to dig further on the upper level. Stairs work fine.--[[User:McFrugal|McFrugal]] 02:19, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:Ramps don't appear to knock out the ceiling of a tile, whereas stairs do. It looks like the main use for ramps is to provide access for anything bigger than a tile wide, such as a wagon or a group of dwarves, and presumably you'll already have access to both levels involved in the rampmaking.--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:38, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
:: on the other hand, they will dig a ramp along with the ceiling, when digging from above.--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 01:13, 11 January 2008 (EST)

<blockquote>Logs and stone(probably more, not fully tested) can not be transported on stairs, limiting their usefulness.</blockquote>
I dug a few levels underground using the shaft method of up/down stairs and trees chopped down on ground level could be carried into the fortress. So Logs can be moved through stairs. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 11:52, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:Rocks and any variation thereof can also be moved on stairs. I've been using the top of my mountain as a gigantic rock stockpile.--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:38, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

Strange, when I rewalled so that the only access to my tower was a stair I could no longer build floors out of wood that was lying outside. Building another ramp solved the problem, more testing obviously needed [[User:Otherdwarf|Otherdwarf]] 18:58, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

==Destroy up-down stairs==
Is there any way to destroy carved (not constructed) up-down stair? --[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 01:13, 11 January 2008 (EST)
:You're kidding right? You just edited an article that answers that (and only that) exact question immediately before editing this talk... --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 07:41, 11 January 2008 (EST)
::No, I'm not kidding. The [[stairs]] article says how to destroy ''constructed'' stairs, carved up stairs and carved down stairs. it says '''nothing''' about carved up-down stair. neither method worked for me (at least in 33e)--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 08:00, 11 January 2008 (EST)
:channeling --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 08:33, 11 January 2008 (EST)

==Removing Down Stairs (Again)==
The above comments are obsolete with the current version as far as I can tell. I accidentally build a down stair where I meant to have an up stair. Constructing a Up Stair on top of it wouldn't build, and neither would Constructing a Floor. So I tried making a channel through it as suggested above, and this did indeed remove the down stairs, however, it still reads as 'Blocked' when I try to make a floor over the hole. Are there any answers to this? [[User:Shadowics|Shadowics]] 00:30, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

== Hatch ==

Hatches should be included somewhere. enemies can use stairs as an entrance or shortcuts to enter a fortress and kill. i'd add that myself but i don't want to.

: Then why moan about it you Idiot? [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 03:15, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

== How to ==

Signed up just to ask this. How do I get the stupid things to work? I built down stairs and mapped out an irrigation system for my miners to work out down there and they haven't touched it (been about an in game year, during which they did have alot of free time with no tasks on any level). Additional info that should be provided, how many squares are needed to go down, just one or 3 per level or something? What version were they added in (I used to play a version that had a single level, when you always dug to the east and there was always a river and magma and adamantine). All in all consider that the people you may be informing don't know nearly as much about the game as you do, I have alot of friends that would like this if simple instructions and explanations were provided, but with those lacking theyed probably play like 1 hour, ever. Forgot me tag --[[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 01:39, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

:Did you build up or up/down stairs on the level below, or just a series of down stairs one below the other? The up and down stairs function as the bottom and the top respectively of a staircase. So build a down stair where you want the top of the staircase to be, an up stair where you want the bottom to be, and up/down ones between them. Each time you press the < or > key moves you to a different level, and you only need a staircase on that level and above or below to get access. So you only need to go down one square per level, unless you want to go down 3 and have a fortress with massively thick floors. [[User:Dangerous Beans|Dangerous Beans]] 22:00, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

::Good to know, got it working now, making a new world now to build a fortress where the stairs aren't past the graveyard in the back, for conveniance.

== Movement ==
Does anyone know if dwarves walk over stairs at the same speed as normal floor? Thanks. [[User:Vaniver|Vaniver]] 03:25, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
:They sure seem to. [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 21:30, 15 November 2008 (EST)

== Falling ==
The warning about up/down stairs concerns me, but I've never had any problems. It says a surprising number of things cause dwarves to fall. Can we list those somewhere? Under what circumstances do dwarves fall down the massive flights of up/down stairs to their splattery doom? [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 23:21, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

: Mostly combat and sparring, I guess... maybe dwarves sleeping on the stairs ? Seems odd. [[User:Timst|Timst]] 03:16, 15 November 2008 (EST)
:: I just did the test, I dug a 3x3 up/down stair to the bottom of the map. I placed a barrack over it, and made the 7 dwarf wrestle over it. It's now summer, they are all legendary, yet not even a scratch on them. And they do sleep on stairs. --[[User:Karl|Karl]] 15:00, 28 January 2009 (EST)
:::Well, now it's gone =). [[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 16:40, 28 January 2009 (EST)

: I too have never had a dwarf fall down a flight of stairs of any height. [[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 14:10, 28 January 2009 (EST)
::So, is all the doom and gloom about up/down stairs no longer a factor, or is it still a valid concern - and if the latter, why? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 21:51, 2 March 2009 (EST)

== Stairs not working for me, either. ==

Trying to build an underground bedroom complex... wanted to have seperate down and up stairs for better traffic flow. Is this not possible? The miner built one stair down on the first floor, one stair down on the one below... then stopped. He won't even carve out around the existing one so I can put in an up stair. (And now he's fortified himself into a chasm full of beasties. Dur.) The stairs (and now the new fortifications are flashing with a yellow C on a background color I'm not sure of, being red/green colorblind... --[[User:Azaram|Azaram]] 00:33, 15 November 2008 (EST)

:(That means they're constructions, so you can't dig them out.) Can you diagram a side-view of how you're setting up the stairs? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 00:47, 15 November 2008 (EST)

:A "down stair" is not a stair that can only be taken down -- it's a stair that only connects the current level to the one below it. And you always need to connect an up stair to a down stair to be able to travel between levels. So two down stairs won't work. A down stair above and an up stair below will work, or up/down stairs on both levels (up/down stairs will connect to any stairs above or below, and can be used to create continuous stair columns).--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:49, 15 November 2008 (EST)

::Ah, ok. I was trying to create a bunch of down stairs, in the assumption that down stairs are traffic-marked to go down. Thanks... GreyMaria, it was basically 'move to one position, designate down stair. Hit > to go down a Z, so the X is in the same position (Coordinates would be helpful here... :-p) and designate another down, repeat.' -- [[User:Azaram|Azaram]] 05:55, 15 November 2008 (EST)

:::Yeah, that would be your issue, like Maximus said. Is the article really that misleading? <_< --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 13:33, 15 November 2008 (EST)

::::It's probably that the way stairs work in DF is inherently counterintuitive. In the real world, "down stairs" means "stairs you are only supposed to take down". In DF, it means "stairs that go halfway down to the next level that only work if paired with another set of stairs coming halfway up". That tripped me up the first few times I built them.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:16, 15 November 2008 (EST)

:::::Yup, that's what I was thinking. Down stairs for where you want them to go down, up stairs for up, traffic flows well and everybody's happy. Part of the reason I was doing it that way was I had seen mention of the danger of up/down stairs and clumsy dwarves falling down them, and I had somehow gotten the impression they won't do that on stairs that are either up or down... Re parallel stairs below; I'd started doing that on my (surprisingly successful for me) current fortress... I got a 20 dwarf immigration and they all swarmed the meeting room where a party had been started, down the stairs and it seemed nobody was stepping on anyone's feet. --[[User:Azaram|Azaram]] 06:16, 26 November 2008 (EST)

:::Incidentally, dwarves do tend to hug one side of a hallway or the other depending on where they're traveling, due to the way the pathfinding algorithm works. So if you build several parallel stairways (I recommend a 2x2 grid), that helps to eliminate a choke point. It also allows them to sidestep out of each other's way instead of one dwarf having to crawl (literally) past each other.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:16, 15 November 2008 (EST)

Talk:Tileset repository

2009-03-02T22:47:15Z

KittenyKat: /* Problem with Fullscreen */ - Fixed it!

== Mac user ==

Can these tilesets be used on a mac as well?

* Yes. I'm using them right now. --[[User:Bombcar|Bombcar]] 19:12, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

== Tiny tilesests ==

<blockquote>
''Sets smaller than 8x8. Used for playing in tiny windows, '''display of massive maps''' and perhaps videos.''
</blockquote>

I thought it wasnt possible to change the size of the map (number of tiles rendered on screen), am I wrong or does the author mean display of maps '''outside''' the game? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 21:09, 4 November 2007 (EST)

:I imagine the only current use is in exporting bitmaps from the game. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 15:30, 14 November 2007 (EST)
::I've used one of 'em to hide a DF window on my work computer, and they're fun to use at 4x size,too. But yeah, they make real nice maps. --[[User:Maus|Maus]] 09:10, 18 December 2007 (EST)
:::Note that it's now possible to change the 80x25 in the init file.--[[User:Bombcar|Bombcar]] 19:13, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Can anyone say PocketPC Dwarf Fortress? I imagine with a low popcap and a 3x3 or less area, it wouldn't be too bad on most PDAs out there. Now, if only someone would port the code... --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:40, 8 January 2008 (EST)

== Page Split ==

There are too many character sets on this one page, I propose splitting the page into twopages:
* one for 'classic' code page 437 fonts/glyph sets/character sets with no graphical characters whatsoever
* one for 'semigraphical' character sets which have one or more of the normal glyphs replaced with a df-specific graphic (a barrel instead of the division sign, for instance) - [[User:Lord Nightmare|Lord Nightmare]] 19:18, 9 December 2007 (EST)

:I disagree; there's no reason to split content into two different areas when it's already easily comparable and all in one place. --[[User:Maus|Maus]] 09:12, 18 December 2007 (EST)

== Why png? ==

If they all have to be resaved as bmp, why the heck are they uploaded as png? These are small files, you're not saving significant disk or bandwidth by keeping them in png. This is particularly irritating since I can't seem to get any of these to work even after resaving/converting them -.- --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 14:14, 20 February 2008 (EST)

:If you're not just renaming the files, then your problem isn't with the files being .png format. Making an exception to [[DwarfFortressWiki:Community_Portal|Rule I]] would only cause confusion as there are many images that are quite large indeed. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 15:32, 20 February 2008 (EST)

::No, it's not just a rename, I'm going into GIMP and doing a Save as... The file size changes, so it's doing SOMETHING, but when I go to use the font the screen comes up blank (but if I hit down twice and enter, I still exit, so everything works, there's just no display.) I hadn't seen the style guide/list, however, so that's fair enough. I'll post on the message boards and see if I can troubleshoot there. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 16:58, 20 February 2008 (EST)

:::Simple solution: Open the image in MSPaint and save as a 24-bit BMP. If you don't have Windows, then you should have enough computer savvy to do it in whatever program you choose.
:::Also, bmps cannot be uploaded to the wiki.
:::Furthermore, we do actually save significant page size. If those were all bitmaps, that would be a few megabytes, which is annoying to load. Converting to png makes it only a couple hundred kilobytes. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:59, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

== Length, and how we can decrease it ==

This page is the twelfth longest page in the wiki. Ten of the eleven pages longer than it are lists. It has forty tilesets, less than a third of which are at all good. This is obviously a problem – sludging through all forty of those is not at all fun and, for most of it, not at all useful. 
As a fix, I propose that we copy this page to "Full list of user character sets" and keep only the best fifteen (or maybe ten or maybe twenty) here. Of course, that brings up the difficult question "how do we determine which tilesets are best?" To determine that, we could try getting as many DF players as we can to tell us which tileset(s) they use. Of course, that would need some rules, a forum thread, etc. 
I'll write more about this later, assuming that some interest exists. The time is late and sleepiness impedes thought. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 00:53, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

:To solve [[User:Nunix|Nunix's]] '''Why png?''' problem and to determine the popularity, I suggest we upload all tilesets to [http://dffd.wimbli.com/index.php Dwarf Fortress File Depot] in .bmp format (so nobody have to convert images from .png anymore). Dwarf Fortress File Depot has download trackers for all its downloads. The end of the week, we can determine the 15 most popular based on the download count. Anybody interested can compare the download numbers and edit the 15 best list for the wiki anytime they feel like it to keep it updated often.
:The current tileset Template will need a '''download''' bit added to it as well. [[User:Plac1d|Plac1d]] 17:01, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

::That could work...
::*downloads his tileset fifty times*
::I don't think it would work at all. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:59, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

::What about making one sub page per tile set. Classify each with 'size', 'shape' and 'style'. Use categories to navigate. Have each character set include a 64x64 pixel chunk of the screen - of these, then use gallery tags to browse with links to the sub page. The why png and link and supporting information for downloads is not a bad idea, but given the small DF playing population, the downloads are likely to be very skewed and cutting off at 15 may remove some very good ones that people have already downloaded and don't see a need to download again. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 17:52, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

:::I don't think that the tilesets & tileset descriptions are large enough to warrant that. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:59, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Hmn. Perhaps, we could ask all the dwarves on this wiki to submit a list of their top 20 tilesets, roughly in order of preference. If we get consensus on the best ones, that could work. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:32, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

: What about splitting the tilesets into separate pages by size, e.g. a page for all 16x16s, another for 12x12s, etc? About favorite tilesets, I could barely name my favorite three, so I think picking a favorite 15 or 20 is a bit extreme, and I don't think we can rely on download counts or people just happening to vote, unless we specifically say that voting is going to determine something. '''So''', what do you think about this idea: First, ask forum-goers to nominate user character sets for archiving (removal to an archive page). Second, after the nomination period is over (say, a week), upload those to the file depot, link to the pages, and give forum-goers a month or so to vote down the character sets they want archived, and to vote up ones they don't want archived. At the end of that time we can check their ratings and archive the lowest-rated ones. --[[User:SL|SL]] 01:37, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

::I think that splitting the tilesets by size into subpages could be handy: Resolution is a key factor in determining usability of a tileset. For instance, I'd never need to use a 48x48 tileset by a user named "AAAAAAAAA", but in our current sorting system, that'd be the first one displayed on the page, for all to see. I must however raise a question about the direction this line of discussion has gone: Do we really want to prune content based on some standard of quality? If so, whose standard of quality? The problems with this page seem to arise from the fact that this page is unusual for a wiki: It's goal doesn't seem to be "disseminate information" as much as "Host tilesets for download". Which is a valuable service, granted, but an unusual shift for a wiki. This different focus in purpose should be considered before deciding to begin pruning. An excess of content and options is arguably a good thing.[[User:Teeto K|Teeto K]] 05:53, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

== Page name ==

<code>List of user character sets</code> is long and unnecessarily wordy. I propose <code>List of tilesets</code>. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:32, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
:Sounds like a good idea. Seconded. [[User:Isenhertz|Isenhertz]] 07:41, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== New grid sizes ==

Will someone please explain to me how I can make a 960x300 (Markavian's) tileset work with the new grid sizes larger than 80:25? 96:60 used to work until I tried to us .40c, now it doesn't. --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 18:38, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
:Oops I had forgotten to change the size in the init to
[WINDOWEDX:1152]

[WINDOWEDY:720]

[FONT:mkv_solidcurses_960x300.bmp]

and

[GRID:96:60]
--[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 18:41, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

== Problem with Fullscreen ==
I changed the fullscreen settings in my init to 1280x400 like Aesomatica's 16x16 tileset says, but every time I start DF it gives me a 'Mode changed failed, switching to windowed' error, with or without blackspace. How do I get it to run full? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 16:27, 2 March 2009 (EST)

:Edit: Checking several different tilesets, for some reason none of them want to work fullscreen other than curses.. I'm wondering if I screwed something up, or if I still just need different measurements.. D: --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 17:20, 2 March 2009 (EST)

::Edit 2: Nevermind, I figured out the problem and now I just feel like a doofus for not recognizing it sooner :p To those who also end up with this problem, here is the solution: you have to set the fullscreen resolution to one your monitor can actually support. Matching the listed res is nice if it works cause it makes everything big and easy to see without stretching it if you have black space off, but if your monitor can't go to 400 Y for example, then you should just go to your current desktop res (in my case 1280x1024) and turn black space on.. Tweak to taste. I'm certain others can clarify this better, though :) --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 17:47, 2 March 2009 (EST)

Talk:Tileset repository

2009-03-02T22:21:16Z

KittenyKat: missing indent

Talk:Tileset repository

2009-03-02T22:20:04Z

KittenyKat: /* Incorrect Fullscreen Sizes for 16x16 */ - Update and topic rename

== Mac user ==

Can these tilesets be used on a mac as well?

* Yes. I'm using them right now. --[[User:Bombcar|Bombcar]] 19:12, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

== Tiny tilesests ==

<blockquote>
''Sets smaller than 8x8. Used for playing in tiny windows, '''display of massive maps''' and perhaps videos.''
</blockquote>

I thought it wasnt possible to change the size of the map (number of tiles rendered on screen), am I wrong or does the author mean display of maps '''outside''' the game? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 21:09, 4 November 2007 (EST)

:I imagine the only current use is in exporting bitmaps from the game. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 15:30, 14 November 2007 (EST)
::I've used one of 'em to hide a DF window on my work computer, and they're fun to use at 4x size,too. But yeah, they make real nice maps. --[[User:Maus|Maus]] 09:10, 18 December 2007 (EST)
:::Note that it's now possible to change the 80x25 in the init file.--[[User:Bombcar|Bombcar]] 19:13, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Can anyone say PocketPC Dwarf Fortress? I imagine with a low popcap and a 3x3 or less area, it wouldn't be too bad on most PDAs out there. Now, if only someone would port the code... --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:40, 8 January 2008 (EST)

== Page Split ==

There are too many character sets on this one page, I propose splitting the page into twopages:
* one for 'classic' code page 437 fonts/glyph sets/character sets with no graphical characters whatsoever
* one for 'semigraphical' character sets which have one or more of the normal glyphs replaced with a df-specific graphic (a barrel instead of the division sign, for instance) - [[User:Lord Nightmare|Lord Nightmare]] 19:18, 9 December 2007 (EST)

:I disagree; there's no reason to split content into two different areas when it's already easily comparable and all in one place. --[[User:Maus|Maus]] 09:12, 18 December 2007 (EST)

== Why png? ==

If they all have to be resaved as bmp, why the heck are they uploaded as png? These are small files, you're not saving significant disk or bandwidth by keeping them in png. This is particularly irritating since I can't seem to get any of these to work even after resaving/converting them -.- --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 14:14, 20 February 2008 (EST)

:If you're not just renaming the files, then your problem isn't with the files being .png format. Making an exception to [[DwarfFortressWiki:Community_Portal|Rule I]] would only cause confusion as there are many images that are quite large indeed. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 15:32, 20 February 2008 (EST)

::No, it's not just a rename, I'm going into GIMP and doing a Save as... The file size changes, so it's doing SOMETHING, but when I go to use the font the screen comes up blank (but if I hit down twice and enter, I still exit, so everything works, there's just no display.) I hadn't seen the style guide/list, however, so that's fair enough. I'll post on the message boards and see if I can troubleshoot there. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 16:58, 20 February 2008 (EST)

:::Simple solution: Open the image in MSPaint and save as a 24-bit BMP. If you don't have Windows, then you should have enough computer savvy to do it in whatever program you choose.
:::Also, bmps cannot be uploaded to the wiki.
:::Furthermore, we do actually save significant page size. If those were all bitmaps, that would be a few megabytes, which is annoying to load. Converting to png makes it only a couple hundred kilobytes. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:59, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

== Length, and how we can decrease it ==

This page is the twelfth longest page in the wiki. Ten of the eleven pages longer than it are lists. It has forty tilesets, less than a third of which are at all good. This is obviously a problem – sludging through all forty of those is not at all fun and, for most of it, not at all useful. 
As a fix, I propose that we copy this page to "Full list of user character sets" and keep only the best fifteen (or maybe ten or maybe twenty) here. Of course, that brings up the difficult question "how do we determine which tilesets are best?" To determine that, we could try getting as many DF players as we can to tell us which tileset(s) they use. Of course, that would need some rules, a forum thread, etc. 
I'll write more about this later, assuming that some interest exists. The time is late and sleepiness impedes thought. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 00:53, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

:To solve [[User:Nunix|Nunix's]] '''Why png?''' problem and to determine the popularity, I suggest we upload all tilesets to [http://dffd.wimbli.com/index.php Dwarf Fortress File Depot] in .bmp format (so nobody have to convert images from .png anymore). Dwarf Fortress File Depot has download trackers for all its downloads. The end of the week, we can determine the 15 most popular based on the download count. Anybody interested can compare the download numbers and edit the 15 best list for the wiki anytime they feel like it to keep it updated often.
:The current tileset Template will need a '''download''' bit added to it as well. [[User:Plac1d|Plac1d]] 17:01, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

::That could work...
::*downloads his tileset fifty times*
::I don't think it would work at all. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:59, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

::What about making one sub page per tile set. Classify each with 'size', 'shape' and 'style'. Use categories to navigate. Have each character set include a 64x64 pixel chunk of the screen - of these, then use gallery tags to browse with links to the sub page. The why png and link and supporting information for downloads is not a bad idea, but given the small DF playing population, the downloads are likely to be very skewed and cutting off at 15 may remove some very good ones that people have already downloaded and don't see a need to download again. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 17:52, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

:::I don't think that the tilesets & tileset descriptions are large enough to warrant that. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:59, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Hmn. Perhaps, we could ask all the dwarves on this wiki to submit a list of their top 20 tilesets, roughly in order of preference. If we get consensus on the best ones, that could work. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:32, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

: What about splitting the tilesets into separate pages by size, e.g. a page for all 16x16s, another for 12x12s, etc? About favorite tilesets, I could barely name my favorite three, so I think picking a favorite 15 or 20 is a bit extreme, and I don't think we can rely on download counts or people just happening to vote, unless we specifically say that voting is going to determine something. '''So''', what do you think about this idea: First, ask forum-goers to nominate user character sets for archiving (removal to an archive page). Second, after the nomination period is over (say, a week), upload those to the file depot, link to the pages, and give forum-goers a month or so to vote down the character sets they want archived, and to vote up ones they don't want archived. At the end of that time we can check their ratings and archive the lowest-rated ones. --[[User:SL|SL]] 01:37, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

::I think that splitting the tilesets by size into subpages could be handy: Resolution is a key factor in determining usability of a tileset. For instance, I'd never need to use a 48x48 tileset by a user named "AAAAAAAAA", but in our current sorting system, that'd be the first one displayed on the page, for all to see. I must however raise a question about the direction this line of discussion has gone: Do we really want to prune content based on some standard of quality? If so, whose standard of quality? The problems with this page seem to arise from the fact that this page is unusual for a wiki: It's goal doesn't seem to be "disseminate information" as much as "Host tilesets for download". Which is a valuable service, granted, but an unusual shift for a wiki. This different focus in purpose should be considered before deciding to begin pruning. An excess of content and options is arguably a good thing.[[User:Teeto K|Teeto K]] 05:53, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

== Page name ==

<code>List of user character sets</code> is long and unnecessarily wordy. I propose <code>List of tilesets</code>. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:32, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
:Sounds like a good idea. Seconded. [[User:Isenhertz|Isenhertz]] 07:41, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== New grid sizes ==

Will someone please explain to me how I can make a 960x300 (Markavian's) tileset work with the new grid sizes larger than 80:25? 96:60 used to work until I tried to us .40c, now it doesn't. --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 18:38, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
:Oops I had forgotten to change the size in the init to
[WINDOWEDX:1152]

[WINDOWEDY:720]

[FONT:mkv_solidcurses_960x300.bmp]

and

[GRID:96:60]
--[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 18:41, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

== Problem with Fullscreen ==
I changed the fullscreen settings in my init to 1280x400 like Aesomatica's 16x16 tileset says, but every time I start DF it gives me a 'Mode changed failed, switching to windowed' error, with or without blackspace. How do I get it to run full? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 16:27, 2 March 2009 (EST)

Edit: Checking several different tilesets, for some reason none of them want to work fullscreen other than curses.. I'm wondering if I screwed something up, or if I still just need different measurements.. D: --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 17:20, 2 March 2009 (EST)

Talk:Tileset repository

2009-03-02T21:27:18Z

KittenyKat: Problem with fullscreen tilesets

== Mac user ==

Can these tilesets be used on a mac as well?

* Yes. I'm using them right now. --[[User:Bombcar|Bombcar]] 19:12, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

== Tiny tilesests ==

<blockquote>
''Sets smaller than 8x8. Used for playing in tiny windows, '''display of massive maps''' and perhaps videos.''
</blockquote>

I thought it wasnt possible to change the size of the map (number of tiles rendered on screen), am I wrong or does the author mean display of maps '''outside''' the game? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 21:09, 4 November 2007 (EST)

:I imagine the only current use is in exporting bitmaps from the game. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 15:30, 14 November 2007 (EST)
::I've used one of 'em to hide a DF window on my work computer, and they're fun to use at 4x size,too. But yeah, they make real nice maps. --[[User:Maus|Maus]] 09:10, 18 December 2007 (EST)
:::Note that it's now possible to change the 80x25 in the init file.--[[User:Bombcar|Bombcar]] 19:13, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Can anyone say PocketPC Dwarf Fortress? I imagine with a low popcap and a 3x3 or less area, it wouldn't be too bad on most PDAs out there. Now, if only someone would port the code... --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:40, 8 January 2008 (EST)

== Page Split ==

There are too many character sets on this one page, I propose splitting the page into twopages:
* one for 'classic' code page 437 fonts/glyph sets/character sets with no graphical characters whatsoever
* one for 'semigraphical' character sets which have one or more of the normal glyphs replaced with a df-specific graphic (a barrel instead of the division sign, for instance) - [[User:Lord Nightmare|Lord Nightmare]] 19:18, 9 December 2007 (EST)

:I disagree; there's no reason to split content into two different areas when it's already easily comparable and all in one place. --[[User:Maus|Maus]] 09:12, 18 December 2007 (EST)

== Why png? ==

If they all have to be resaved as bmp, why the heck are they uploaded as png? These are small files, you're not saving significant disk or bandwidth by keeping them in png. This is particularly irritating since I can't seem to get any of these to work even after resaving/converting them -.- --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 14:14, 20 February 2008 (EST)

:If you're not just renaming the files, then your problem isn't with the files being .png format. Making an exception to [[DwarfFortressWiki:Community_Portal|Rule I]] would only cause confusion as there are many images that are quite large indeed. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 15:32, 20 February 2008 (EST)

::No, it's not just a rename, I'm going into GIMP and doing a Save as... The file size changes, so it's doing SOMETHING, but when I go to use the font the screen comes up blank (but if I hit down twice and enter, I still exit, so everything works, there's just no display.) I hadn't seen the style guide/list, however, so that's fair enough. I'll post on the message boards and see if I can troubleshoot there. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 16:58, 20 February 2008 (EST)

:::Simple solution: Open the image in MSPaint and save as a 24-bit BMP. If you don't have Windows, then you should have enough computer savvy to do it in whatever program you choose.
:::Also, bmps cannot be uploaded to the wiki.
:::Furthermore, we do actually save significant page size. If those were all bitmaps, that would be a few megabytes, which is annoying to load. Converting to png makes it only a couple hundred kilobytes. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:59, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

== Length, and how we can decrease it ==

This page is the twelfth longest page in the wiki. Ten of the eleven pages longer than it are lists. It has forty tilesets, less than a third of which are at all good. This is obviously a problem – sludging through all forty of those is not at all fun and, for most of it, not at all useful. 
As a fix, I propose that we copy this page to "Full list of user character sets" and keep only the best fifteen (or maybe ten or maybe twenty) here. Of course, that brings up the difficult question "how do we determine which tilesets are best?" To determine that, we could try getting as many DF players as we can to tell us which tileset(s) they use. Of course, that would need some rules, a forum thread, etc. 
I'll write more about this later, assuming that some interest exists. The time is late and sleepiness impedes thought. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 00:53, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

:To solve [[User:Nunix|Nunix's]] '''Why png?''' problem and to determine the popularity, I suggest we upload all tilesets to [http://dffd.wimbli.com/index.php Dwarf Fortress File Depot] in .bmp format (so nobody have to convert images from .png anymore). Dwarf Fortress File Depot has download trackers for all its downloads. The end of the week, we can determine the 15 most popular based on the download count. Anybody interested can compare the download numbers and edit the 15 best list for the wiki anytime they feel like it to keep it updated often.
:The current tileset Template will need a '''download''' bit added to it as well. [[User:Plac1d|Plac1d]] 17:01, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

::That could work...
::*downloads his tileset fifty times*
::I don't think it would work at all. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:59, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

::What about making one sub page per tile set. Classify each with 'size', 'shape' and 'style'. Use categories to navigate. Have each character set include a 64x64 pixel chunk of the screen - of these, then use gallery tags to browse with links to the sub page. The why png and link and supporting information for downloads is not a bad idea, but given the small DF playing population, the downloads are likely to be very skewed and cutting off at 15 may remove some very good ones that people have already downloaded and don't see a need to download again. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 17:52, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

:::I don't think that the tilesets & tileset descriptions are large enough to warrant that. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:59, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Hmn. Perhaps, we could ask all the dwarves on this wiki to submit a list of their top 20 tilesets, roughly in order of preference. If we get consensus on the best ones, that could work. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:32, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

: What about splitting the tilesets into separate pages by size, e.g. a page for all 16x16s, another for 12x12s, etc? About favorite tilesets, I could barely name my favorite three, so I think picking a favorite 15 or 20 is a bit extreme, and I don't think we can rely on download counts or people just happening to vote, unless we specifically say that voting is going to determine something. '''So''', what do you think about this idea: First, ask forum-goers to nominate user character sets for archiving (removal to an archive page). Second, after the nomination period is over (say, a week), upload those to the file depot, link to the pages, and give forum-goers a month or so to vote down the character sets they want archived, and to vote up ones they don't want archived. At the end of that time we can check their ratings and archive the lowest-rated ones. --[[User:SL|SL]] 01:37, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

::I think that splitting the tilesets by size into subpages could be handy: Resolution is a key factor in determining usability of a tileset. For instance, I'd never need to use a 48x48 tileset by a user named "AAAAAAAAA", but in our current sorting system, that'd be the first one displayed on the page, for all to see. I must however raise a question about the direction this line of discussion has gone: Do we really want to prune content based on some standard of quality? If so, whose standard of quality? The problems with this page seem to arise from the fact that this page is unusual for a wiki: It's goal doesn't seem to be "disseminate information" as much as "Host tilesets for download". Which is a valuable service, granted, but an unusual shift for a wiki. This different focus in purpose should be considered before deciding to begin pruning. An excess of content and options is arguably a good thing.[[User:Teeto K|Teeto K]] 05:53, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

== Page name ==

<code>List of user character sets</code> is long and unnecessarily wordy. I propose <code>List of tilesets</code>. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:32, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
:Sounds like a good idea. Seconded. [[User:Isenhertz|Isenhertz]] 07:41, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== New grid sizes ==

Will someone please explain to me how I can make a 960x300 (Markavian's) tileset work with the new grid sizes larger than 80:25? 96:60 used to work until I tried to us .40c, now it doesn't. --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 18:38, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
:Oops I had forgotten to change the size in the init to
[WINDOWEDX:1152]

[WINDOWEDY:720]

[FONT:mkv_solidcurses_960x300.bmp]

and

[GRID:96:60]
--[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 18:41, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

== Incorrect Fullscreen Sizes for 16x16 ==
I changed the fullscreen settings in my init to 1280x400 like Aesomatica's 16x16 tileset says, but every time I start DF it gives me a 'Mode changed failed, switching to windowed' error, with or without blackspace. How do I get it to run full? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 16:27, 2 March 2009 (EST)

40d Talk:Utilities

2008-04-16T15:52:05Z

KittenyKat: /* reveal.exe */

== DF File Depot ==
Would be great to get the majority of these uploaded to the [http://dffd.wimbli.com/ Dwarf Fortress File Depot (DFFD)]. I'm having trouble with some of the currently linked hosting sites. I've just gotten Regional Prospector, so I'll see about getting that one up. Thanks guys! --[[User:SlMagnvox|SlMagnvox]] 14:33, 25 February 2008 (EST)

== External Utilities ==
I thinking any Utilities that not made specifically for Dwarf fortress should put together at bottom which I have done. My question should we mark area with header say External utilities? [[User:Omagaalpha|Omagaalpha]] 08:22, 14 February 2008 (EST)

== AutoHotKey ==

Should autohotkey be added as a utility tool for dwarf fortress? I know a few forum users have used it to do repetitive tasks like room designations, maybe it could have its own page and a few dwarf fortress specific script?--[[User:Thehunterunseen|Thehunterunseen]] 20:43, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:Ive been looking for a macro program that works within dwarf fortress and thats free. Havent found a good program thats the combination of both. What do you use? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 20:51, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::autohotkey [http://www.autohotkey.com/] is a program like that --[[User:Thehunterunseen|Thehunterunseen]] 21:13, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:::That was the program I used. Wierd. For me, when I inputed "6" for moving one step right... it moved like 8 steps right or something. Couldnt figure out why. Any ideas? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 22:57, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::::I know that {{k|shift}} + {{k|→}} = 10×{{k|→}}. Could that have something to do with it? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:17, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:::::I use "Send {LeftArrow}{Enter}{Enter}", as a test to simply have the wall/floor im building to be placed one step to the right instead of where the cursor actually is. As previously said, however, it didnt work. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 07:05, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

::::::That might be because the {LeftArrow} part isn't right. It's supposed to be just {Left}. I've downloaded the program myself and am not having any issues with it in DF.. I'm running XP, and use it in fullscreen mode, if that helps any. --[[User:Hesitris|Hesitris]] 18:53, 12 November 2007 (EST)

: So could some people who actually know some autohotkey scripts make an article and submit some? --[[User:Thehunterunseen|Thehunterunseen]] 13:37, 6 November 2007 (EST)

::I use it and more or less know how it works but as soon as I use it inside DF it bugs out completely and I have no idea why. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 17:56, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::I have a number of scripts that I use, but they randomly bug out for no apparent reason. They will work fine in notepad (ie, output everything exactly as I expect), but be only partially executing and then failing in DF. Again, sometimes they work fine. I could post them and how they work if someone wants. FYI, I am on Vista and that may be an issue. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 02:39, 19 November 2007 (EST)

::::I'm not sure how CPU cycles and the buffer interact in Vista. Is your FPS low? Perhaps a key is dropping out of the buffer but DF isn't recognizing it due to lag? Or lag might be making the buffer overflow. It might depend on how autohotkey sends keystrokes, I don't know if it simulates a key press or directly input ssomething into the buffer. You could try a small sleep(50), or the equivalent, in autohotkey and see if that helps. Also, make sure it isn't losing focus for some reason due to background programs (although that would be strange) -Gotthard

:::::I think it's a lag issue in DF. I've yet to figure out exactly what is causing lag for me. I think it's pathing with too many dwarfs and too complex of a hallway system over too many Z levels. Also, I think playing very large maps causes me to lag, as well, but I think that's related to the pathing problem and all those other creatures trying to path. It definitely got better in this version, tho. I will hold off on trying to say definitively what's up with AuthoHotkey until after the next patch. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 03:50, 21 November 2007 (EST)

::::::AHK does tend to do wierd stuff in DF, but most of it is predictable. A lot of wierd errors that make no sense can be fixed by explicitely telling the script to focus on the Dwarf Fortress window, as well as generous Sleep statements. I found while rewalling a 30x30 outline, sleep 100 worked fine for the first two sides but posted about half of the second two. Sleep 150 placed the second two somewhat erraticly. Sleep 200 got the second two just fine. --[[User:Knivesu|Knivesu]] 10:22, 23 December 2007 (EST)

== Dwarf Foreman ==

Foreman is looking at the wrong address for the units... which is not a good sign, since I've seen it in the address it seems to be looking at. I've also seen it bounce around. Definitely not a good sign if the list location isn't static. Or we're just looking at the wrong one completely. --[[User:AzureLightning|AzureLightning]]

:It's pretty easy to find the addresses for this for new versions. Running the program in the directory with the new version gives you the check= value, and the others are moderately easy to suss. Also, I don't know exactly how it works or why it works, but from C->D->E start and pos were incremented 0x1000 each version, so laziness dictates trying that in future. [[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 16:37, 9 December 2007 (EST)

Is there any info on what the offsets (dwarfidpos, critter_start, profession_start) actually refer to? I'm capable enough with finding memory addresses, but exactly what profession_start is eludes me. Even dwarfidpos is a little unclear.

dwarfidpos = Address of Dwarf Race ID
critter_start = Start of Main Creature Vector
profession_start = Offset into Main Creature Vector the array of jobs.
[[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]] 00:41, 7 March 2008 (EST)

== Yourfilehost ==

Yourfilehost.com has kind of a lousy reputation, and I can confirm it's blocked on certain college networks. Could someone upload these utilities to a more reputable host? -- Mzbundifund 15:55, 04 November 2007 (EDT)
: Such as? --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 18:03, 4 November 2007 (EST)
:: Megaupload, rapidshare, filefactory, you pick one --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 17:40, 24 February 2008 (EST)
:::Uh, you know there is a special site for uploading DF files now, right? It's linked on the main page. Screw those other guys. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 17:53, 24 February 2008 (EST)
::::I say we scrap this section, then. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 18:28, 24 February 2008 (EST)

==heal.exe==

heal.exe does not regrow missing limbs. However, "heal -hurt" on the command line brings missing limbs to red status, and "heal" thereafter restores the being to full health.

I propose a -regrow parameter so we don't have to do this workaround, since if it's possible to bring missing limbs from dark grey to red status it's also possible to grow them back.

Also, when using the -hurt parameter, it still says "059E7210 had 31 body parts '''healed'''", when it should probably say "wounded". --[[User:JT|JT]] 17:58, 10 November 2007 (EST)

: Hmm, if it does heal missing limbs then I just need to change my logic slightly for healing. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 19:01, 10 November 2007 (EST)

==reveal.exe==

From what I've tested, reveal for 33a does not work for 33b. --[[User:Sparksol|Sparksol]] 13:39, 17 November 2007 (EST)

:Correct. It uses hardcoded offsets, which will change every time new code is added to DF.
:I have a version hacked for .33b, which I will not distribute out of respect for Rick.
:However, if you are skilled with a hex editor, here's what to do: change the first 5 occurances of the pattern 85 45 01 to the pattern 95 45 01. (The 6th occurance of the pattern is a coincidental match and should not be changed.) Then change the pattern 8C 33 89 00 to the pattern 8C 43 89 00. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 02:31, 19 November 2007 (EST)

:Actually, as it happens, it looks like Rick has produced updated versions of his tools for .33b. They were built on the 16th. However he hasn't linked to them. I don't know why. The URL they're at requests that no links be made to them, so I'm not going to tell you. Sorry, you'll just have to do the hexedit. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 02:45, 19 November 2007 (EST)

:I just havn't mirrored them yet, that's all. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 03:10, 19 November 2007 (EST)
::Hey, I'm curious why the file sizes ballooned. Reveal went from 52k to 101k, a doubling in size. Heal grew even more. Maybe you didn't strip debugging info? —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 15:42, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:::Usage of std libraries mostly. I made a library for working with DF so I wouldn't have to keep duplicating code through projects, and when writing it I figured I might as well make it more friendly for me to code in, hence usage of std:: stuff. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 19:00, 19 November 2007 (EST)

:Whenever I try to open reveal.exe, the window will open up for a millisecond and then immedietely close. Is this a problem with the program or my windows? I am assuming its windows since everyone else seems to be able to use it. Has anyone else had this problem?--[[User:Varsashi|Varsashi]] 17:59, 26 November 2007 (EST)

::It hasn't been updated to work with 33c, and doesn't. Hopefully it will be updated soon. If you're using 33b, it should open and close quickly but reveal all allocated squares. To allocate all squares for revealing, I'll repeat the advice I've seen elsewhere: go to the lowest level and designate the entire level for digging, then remove the dig designation and run the reveal utility. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 20:08, 26 November 2007 (EST)

So how do people feel about deleting this section, and probably the heal.exe section above too? —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 00:56, 23 December 2007 (EST)

Does anybody know which version works with 38b? And can you also give me the link? --[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 16:51, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

I went back to look for reveal.exe for the older version of DF I play (I've been sticking to the last good version where we still had the original mountain, 23.13.23a), but the file seems to have been corrupted at that place it's uploaded to. Now when I try to use it it says it's not a valid win32 application, and it's a 0-byte file after unzipping. Is there a good version up somewhere else still? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 11:52, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

==How to use warp.exe?==
How do you use warp.exe? There's no information on how to use these on the page.--[[User:Demosthenes|Demosthenes]] 02:10, 21 November 2007 (EST)
: <code>warp.exe</code> by itself will list your current cursor position. After you have the position you want to warp a creature to, you do <code>warp.exe <x> <y> <z></code> as arguments, and it will warp the selected creature (selected with 'V'iew) to that destination, if it can. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 18:10, 21 November 2007 (EST)

==StartProfile==
Perhaps, I don't understand how to use this correctly. I'm using 33e, and the StartProfile linked in the Utils section. I'm supposed to use this util at the Prepare for the Journey screen, correct? I tried testing the export function with the first dwarf, with no skills assigned. startprofile.exe -x 0 test.txt What I got back was: 
<code>
Mining: 1348403210 
Wood Cutter: 1565676876 
Carpenter: 3801123 
Engraving: 34079120 
Record Keepe: 2293770 
Liar: 34341293 
Intimidator: 16843009 
Conversationalist: 16843009 
Comedian: 16843009 
Flatterer: 16843009 
Consoler: 16843009 
Pacifier: 16843009 
</code>
When I try to set a dwarf's skills using StartProfile I end up with huge amounts of either negative or positive points available, with no changes being made to the dwarf's skills. --[[User:Stu72|Stu72]] 09:23, 11 December 2007 (EST)
: The offset for the skills must have changed. I guess I should've actually checked that, and not have assumed that just because the other values were correct, the skills were still correct. I'll check it out and post the appropriate fix. -- [[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]]
: The appropriate fix is redownloading it, when I hex edited the exe I messed it up field. -- [[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]]
:: Thanks, works beautifully. It's a terrific time saver. --[[User:Stu72|Stu72]] 15:30, 14 December 2007 (EST)

How does one use this? The readme isn't very helpful. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 01:08, 27 November 2007 (EST)
: Not knowing exactly what you're having trouble understanding, I'll give examples (the one thing I forgot to add in the readme). <code>startprofile 0 Miner.txt</code> - This will set the skill profile of the first Dwarf, in the list of units, to the skills in Miner.txt <code>startprofile 1 Jeweler.txt</code> - This will set the skills on the second Dwarf, in the list of units, to the skills in Jeweler.txt <code>startprofile -x 3 Customprofile.txt</code> - This will save the set of skills on the fourth Dwarf to Customprofile.txt <code>startprofile -v0.27.169.33b 0 Miner.txt</code> Same as the first example, except it'll work on the previous version of Dwarf Fortress. -- [[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]] 03:28, 27 November 2007 (EST)
::Thanks, I'll try that out. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 21:21, 27 November 2007 (EST)

If you wish to edit the executable, you can modify it so that it works with 0.27.169.33d by making the following changes with a hex editor:
Offset Overwrite With
----------------------------
2A530 | 98 16 25 01 04 00 00 00 DC 00 00 00 F0 08 00 00 70 00 00 00 C0 01 00 00
2A6A6 | 30 2E 32 37 2E 31 36 39 2E 33 33 64
2A77C | 02
-- [[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]] 20:14, 3 December 2007 (EST)
:CBW; PUSH SS; AND EAX, 00000401h; ADD AH, BL; ADD [EAX], AL; ...
:That makes no sense. Must be missing something off the head end.
:3 unknown bytes; ADD [EAX+EAX], EAX; ... No better. Worse, even.
:4 unknown bytes; ADD AL, 00h; ADD [EAX], AL; ... Unh uh. Don't think so.
:8 unknown bytes; ESC-4(00); ... Floating point? Really? No way.
:12 unknown bytes; LOCK OR [EAX], AL ... Insane.
:I don't know what those bytes are, but they're not code.—[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 23:23, 3 December 2007 (EST)
::You're right, they're data. First Row is (left to right, 5 dwords): [[User:Jifodus/Memory research#Addresses_3|Start Address]], Offset from address at start address, Dwarf List begin offset, Starting points offset, Skills offset, remaining skill points points. Second row is a character string (15 chars max). Third row is a dword indicating which data index is default.
:: <tt>//Start Addr, O, Lizt, Ponts, Skll, Remain</tt>
:: <tt>{ 0x01251698, 4, 0xDC, 0x8F0, 0x70, 0x1C0 }</tt> - The read/write locations and whatnot
:: <tt>"0.27.169.33d"</tt> - Used for string comparison (-v flag)
:: <tt>2</tt> - The default version to use is the third in the list (what the above just added).
:: Configuration data can be found between 'DATA_SET' and 'TES_ATAD'. The list has enough space for 16 versions (3 are now in use). I'll just say I didn't want to have to recompile it for all the versions -- [[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]] 21:52, 6 December 2007 (EST)
If you wish to edit the executable, you can modify it so that it works with 0.27.169.33e by making the following changes with a hex editor:
Offset Overwrite With
----------------------------
2A550 |"98 26 25 01"04 00 00 00 DC 00 00 00 F0 08 00 00 70 00 00 00 C0 01 00 00
2A6B5 | 30 2E 32 37 2E 31 36 39 2E 33 33"65"
2A77C |"03"

== Patching Lavasquare ==

Due to someone being interested in running lavasquare on version 33g, I determined how to patch the exe to work with later versions. With a hex editor, open lavasquare.exe and find and replace with appropriate values (replace the X's with the values underneath for the version you want). I only tested it for 33f, but I'm assuming that the values for 33g are correct (since I got them off the wiki).

(CursorX)
FIND: EE 57 68 88 E2 8F 00 FF 35
REPLACE: EE 57 68 XX XX XX 0X FF 35
33f 88 F2 8F 0
33g 88 62 90 0
38a 88 F2 92 0

(CursorY)
FIND: EC 57 68 8C E2 8F 00 FF 35
REPLACE: EC 57 68 XX XX XX 0X FF 35
33f 8C F2 8F 0
33g 8C 62 90 0
38a 8C F2 92 0

(CursorZ)
FIND: E6 57 68 90 E2 8F 00 FF 35
REPLACE: E6 57 68 XX XX XX 0X FF 35
33f 90 F2 8F 0
33g 90 62 90 0
38a 90 F2 92 0

(MapBlocks)
FIND: FC 57 68 60 15 46 01 FF 35
REPLACE: FC 57 68 XX XX XX 0X FF 35
33f 68 25 46 1
33g 80 96 46 1
38a CC 29 49 1

(To exit immediately after writing, since I don't want to
verify the other offsets)
FIND: FF 35 5C 80 40 00 E8 88 61 00 00 0F BF 7D
F8 57 0F BF 7D FA 57 8B 7D FC 81 C7 60 06
00 00
REPLACE: FF 35 5C 80 40 00 E8 88 61 00 00 6A FF FF
25 6C B1 40 00 CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC
CC CC
-- [[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]] 02:05, 25 December 2007 (EST)

To modify the above for the same behavior as water:
FIND: 07 00 20 00
REPLACE: 07 00 00 00
-- [[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]] 17:09, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Addresses for 0.27.173.38a:
CursorX 0x0092F288
CursorY 0x0092F28C
CursorZ 0x0092F290
MapBlocks 0x014929CC
Offsets are still the same.
-- [[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]] 19:14, 7 February 2008 (EST)

Addresses for 0.27.173.38c: (These worked for me, but I'm not an expert on this stuff.)
CursorX 0x0094228C
CursorY 0x00942290
CursorZ 0x00942294
MapBlocks 0x014A60A4
--[[User:Dorundain|Dorundain]] 22:21, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Where is the Mapblocks found in the hex code? 0x01461560.MAP_DATA_MEM is the closest thing I can find.

--[[User:Silveron|Silveron]] 08:57, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

----

== Lavasquare Popup? ==

How do I remove the prompt? It is a painful thing for large projects. The macro below helps some, though. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 08:05, 4 January 2008 (EST)

#Persistent
SetTimer, CloseLava, 100
return

CloseLava:
WinClose, lcc runtime
return

del::
IfWinActive Dwarf Fortress
{
send {down}
run C:\Program Files\Dwarf Fortress\Utilities\lavasquare 33g.exe
return
}
else
{
send {del}
return
}

== Lavasquare ==

Why does it seemingly stop working after a while? It runs but summons no magma/lava. --[[User:Spelguru|Spelguru]] 12:28, 18 January 2008 (EST)
:No idea, never run into the problem though I've used it quite thoroughly. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 17:52, 18 January 2008 (EST)
:I've run into this once. Restarting DF fixed the problem. --[[User:SquirrelFarmer|SquirrelFarmer]] 09:50, 29 January 2008 (EST)

== Water ==

Could someone make an updated version? Having to slaughter anyone who gets injured just because the rain-filling-ponds doesn't work properly yet is annoying. -Shadow_archamgi, February 27 2008

==Weatherdwarf==
I can't find the page, but it's a utility that lets you change the temperature of an area and allows for some crazy stuff. Look it up on the forums; I have a community fortress to tend to. --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 20:18, 3 March 2008 (EST)

40d Talk:Utilities

2008-04-16T15:51:34Z

KittenyKat: /* reveal.exe */

== DF File Depot ==
Would be great to get the majority of these uploaded to the [http://dffd.wimbli.com/ Dwarf Fortress File Depot (DFFD)]. I'm having trouble with some of the currently linked hosting sites. I've just gotten Regional Prospector, so I'll see about getting that one up. Thanks guys! --[[User:SlMagnvox|SlMagnvox]] 14:33, 25 February 2008 (EST)

== External Utilities ==
I thinking any Utilities that not made specifically for Dwarf fortress should put together at bottom which I have done. My question should we mark area with header say External utilities? [[User:Omagaalpha|Omagaalpha]] 08:22, 14 February 2008 (EST)

== AutoHotKey ==

Should autohotkey be added as a utility tool for dwarf fortress? I know a few forum users have used it to do repetitive tasks like room designations, maybe it could have its own page and a few dwarf fortress specific script?--[[User:Thehunterunseen|Thehunterunseen]] 20:43, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:Ive been looking for a macro program that works within dwarf fortress and thats free. Havent found a good program thats the combination of both. What do you use? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 20:51, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::autohotkey [http://www.autohotkey.com/] is a program like that --[[User:Thehunterunseen|Thehunterunseen]] 21:13, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:::That was the program I used. Wierd. For me, when I inputed "6" for moving one step right... it moved like 8 steps right or something. Couldnt figure out why. Any ideas? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 22:57, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::::I know that {{k|shift}} + {{k|→}} = 10×{{k|→}}. Could that have something to do with it? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:17, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:::::I use "Send {LeftArrow}{Enter}{Enter}", as a test to simply have the wall/floor im building to be placed one step to the right instead of where the cursor actually is. As previously said, however, it didnt work. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 07:05, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

::::::That might be because the {LeftArrow} part isn't right. It's supposed to be just {Left}. I've downloaded the program myself and am not having any issues with it in DF.. I'm running XP, and use it in fullscreen mode, if that helps any. --[[User:Hesitris|Hesitris]] 18:53, 12 November 2007 (EST)

: So could some people who actually know some autohotkey scripts make an article and submit some? --[[User:Thehunterunseen|Thehunterunseen]] 13:37, 6 November 2007 (EST)

::I use it and more or less know how it works but as soon as I use it inside DF it bugs out completely and I have no idea why. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 17:56, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::I have a number of scripts that I use, but they randomly bug out for no apparent reason. They will work fine in notepad (ie, output everything exactly as I expect), but be only partially executing and then failing in DF. Again, sometimes they work fine. I could post them and how they work if someone wants. FYI, I am on Vista and that may be an issue. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 02:39, 19 November 2007 (EST)

::::I'm not sure how CPU cycles and the buffer interact in Vista. Is your FPS low? Perhaps a key is dropping out of the buffer but DF isn't recognizing it due to lag? Or lag might be making the buffer overflow. It might depend on how autohotkey sends keystrokes, I don't know if it simulates a key press or directly input ssomething into the buffer. You could try a small sleep(50), or the equivalent, in autohotkey and see if that helps. Also, make sure it isn't losing focus for some reason due to background programs (although that would be strange) -Gotthard

:::::I think it's a lag issue in DF. I've yet to figure out exactly what is causing lag for me. I think it's pathing with too many dwarfs and too complex of a hallway system over too many Z levels. Also, I think playing very large maps causes me to lag, as well, but I think that's related to the pathing problem and all those other creatures trying to path. It definitely got better in this version, tho. I will hold off on trying to say definitively what's up with AuthoHotkey until after the next patch. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 03:50, 21 November 2007 (EST)

::::::AHK does tend to do wierd stuff in DF, but most of it is predictable. A lot of wierd errors that make no sense can be fixed by explicitely telling the script to focus on the Dwarf Fortress window, as well as generous Sleep statements. I found while rewalling a 30x30 outline, sleep 100 worked fine for the first two sides but posted about half of the second two. Sleep 150 placed the second two somewhat erraticly. Sleep 200 got the second two just fine. --[[User:Knivesu|Knivesu]] 10:22, 23 December 2007 (EST)

== Dwarf Foreman ==

Foreman is looking at the wrong address for the units... which is not a good sign, since I've seen it in the address it seems to be looking at. I've also seen it bounce around. Definitely not a good sign if the list location isn't static. Or we're just looking at the wrong one completely. --[[User:AzureLightning|AzureLightning]]

:It's pretty easy to find the addresses for this for new versions. Running the program in the directory with the new version gives you the check= value, and the others are moderately easy to suss. Also, I don't know exactly how it works or why it works, but from C->D->E start and pos were incremented 0x1000 each version, so laziness dictates trying that in future. [[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 16:37, 9 December 2007 (EST)

Is there any info on what the offsets (dwarfidpos, critter_start, profession_start) actually refer to? I'm capable enough with finding memory addresses, but exactly what profession_start is eludes me. Even dwarfidpos is a little unclear.

dwarfidpos = Address of Dwarf Race ID
critter_start = Start of Main Creature Vector
profession_start = Offset into Main Creature Vector the array of jobs.
[[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]] 00:41, 7 March 2008 (EST)

== Yourfilehost ==

Yourfilehost.com has kind of a lousy reputation, and I can confirm it's blocked on certain college networks. Could someone upload these utilities to a more reputable host? -- Mzbundifund 15:55, 04 November 2007 (EDT)
: Such as? --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 18:03, 4 November 2007 (EST)
:: Megaupload, rapidshare, filefactory, you pick one --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 17:40, 24 February 2008 (EST)
:::Uh, you know there is a special site for uploading DF files now, right? It's linked on the main page. Screw those other guys. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 17:53, 24 February 2008 (EST)
::::I say we scrap this section, then. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 18:28, 24 February 2008 (EST)

==heal.exe==

heal.exe does not regrow missing limbs. However, "heal -hurt" on the command line brings missing limbs to red status, and "heal" thereafter restores the being to full health.

I propose a -regrow parameter so we don't have to do this workaround, since if it's possible to bring missing limbs from dark grey to red status it's also possible to grow them back.

Also, when using the -hurt parameter, it still says "059E7210 had 31 body parts '''healed'''", when it should probably say "wounded". --[[User:JT|JT]] 17:58, 10 November 2007 (EST)

: Hmm, if it does heal missing limbs then I just need to change my logic slightly for healing. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 19:01, 10 November 2007 (EST)

==reveal.exe==

From what I've tested, reveal for 33a does not work for 33b. --[[User:Sparksol|Sparksol]] 13:39, 17 November 2007 (EST)

:Correct. It uses hardcoded offsets, which will change every time new code is added to DF.
:I have a version hacked for .33b, which I will not distribute out of respect for Rick.
:However, if you are skilled with a hex editor, here's what to do: change the first 5 occurances of the pattern 85 45 01 to the pattern 95 45 01. (The 6th occurance of the pattern is a coincidental match and should not be changed.) Then change the pattern 8C 33 89 00 to the pattern 8C 43 89 00. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 02:31, 19 November 2007 (EST)

:Actually, as it happens, it looks like Rick has produced updated versions of his tools for .33b. They were built on the 16th. However he hasn't linked to them. I don't know why. The URL they're at requests that no links be made to them, so I'm not going to tell you. Sorry, you'll just have to do the hexedit. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 02:45, 19 November 2007 (EST)

:I just havn't mirrored them yet, that's all. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 03:10, 19 November 2007 (EST)
::Hey, I'm curious why the file sizes ballooned. Reveal went from 52k to 101k, a doubling in size. Heal grew even more. Maybe you didn't strip debugging info? —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 15:42, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:::Usage of std libraries mostly. I made a library for working with DF so I wouldn't have to keep duplicating code through projects, and when writing it I figured I might as well make it more friendly for me to code in, hence usage of std:: stuff. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 19:00, 19 November 2007 (EST)

:Whenever I try to open reveal.exe, the window will open up for a millisecond and then immedietely close. Is this a problem with the program or my windows? I am assuming its windows since everyone else seems to be able to use it. Has anyone else had this problem?--[[User:Varsashi|Varsashi]] 17:59, 26 November 2007 (EST)

::It hasn't been updated to work with 33c, and doesn't. Hopefully it will be updated soon. If you're using 33b, it should open and close quickly but reveal all allocated squares. To allocate all squares for revealing, I'll repeat the advice I've seen elsewhere: go to the lowest level and designate the entire level for digging, then remove the dig designation and run the reveal utility. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 20:08, 26 November 2007 (EST)

So how do people feel about deleting this section, and probably the heal.exe section above too? —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 00:56, 23 December 2007 (EST)

Does anybody know which version works with 38b? And can you also give me the link? --[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 16:51, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

I went back to look for reveal.exe for the older version of DF I play (I've been sticking to the last good version where we still had the original mountain, 23.13.23a), but the file seems to have been corrupted at that place it's uploaded to. Now when I try to use it it says it's not a valid win32 application, and it's a 0-byte file after unzipping. Is there a good version up somewhere else still? --~~

==How to use warp.exe?==
How do you use warp.exe? There's no information on how to use these on the page.--[[User:Demosthenes|Demosthenes]] 02:10, 21 November 2007 (EST)
: <code>warp.exe</code> by itself will list your current cursor position. After you have the position you want to warp a creature to, you do <code>warp.exe <x> <y> <z></code> as arguments, and it will warp the selected creature (selected with 'V'iew) to that destination, if it can. --[[User:Rick|Rick]] 18:10, 21 November 2007 (EST)

==StartProfile==
Perhaps, I don't understand how to use this correctly. I'm using 33e, and the StartProfile linked in the Utils section. I'm supposed to use this util at the Prepare for the Journey screen, correct? I tried testing the export function with the first dwarf, with no skills assigned. startprofile.exe -x 0 test.txt What I got back was: 
<code>
Mining: 1348403210 
Wood Cutter: 1565676876 
Carpenter: 3801123 
Engraving: 34079120 
Record Keepe: 2293770 
Liar: 34341293 
Intimidator: 16843009 
Conversationalist: 16843009 
Comedian: 16843009 
Flatterer: 16843009 
Consoler: 16843009 
Pacifier: 16843009 
</code>
When I try to set a dwarf's skills using StartProfile I end up with huge amounts of either negative or positive points available, with no changes being made to the dwarf's skills. --[[User:Stu72|Stu72]] 09:23, 11 December 2007 (EST)
: The offset for the skills must have changed. I guess I should've actually checked that, and not have assumed that just because the other values were correct, the skills were still correct. I'll check it out and post the appropriate fix. -- [[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]]
: The appropriate fix is redownloading it, when I hex edited the exe I messed it up field. -- [[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]]
:: Thanks, works beautifully. It's a terrific time saver. --[[User:Stu72|Stu72]] 15:30, 14 December 2007 (EST)

How does one use this? The readme isn't very helpful. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 01:08, 27 November 2007 (EST)
: Not knowing exactly what you're having trouble understanding, I'll give examples (the one thing I forgot to add in the readme). <code>startprofile 0 Miner.txt</code> - This will set the skill profile of the first Dwarf, in the list of units, to the skills in Miner.txt <code>startprofile 1 Jeweler.txt</code> - This will set the skills on the second Dwarf, in the list of units, to the skills in Jeweler.txt <code>startprofile -x 3 Customprofile.txt</code> - This will save the set of skills on the fourth Dwarf to Customprofile.txt <code>startprofile -v0.27.169.33b 0 Miner.txt</code> Same as the first example, except it'll work on the previous version of Dwarf Fortress. -- [[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]] 03:28, 27 November 2007 (EST)
::Thanks, I'll try that out. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 21:21, 27 November 2007 (EST)

If you wish to edit the executable, you can modify it so that it works with 0.27.169.33d by making the following changes with a hex editor:
Offset Overwrite With
----------------------------
2A530 | 98 16 25 01 04 00 00 00 DC 00 00 00 F0 08 00 00 70 00 00 00 C0 01 00 00
2A6A6 | 30 2E 32 37 2E 31 36 39 2E 33 33 64
2A77C | 02
-- [[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]] 20:14, 3 December 2007 (EST)
:CBW; PUSH SS; AND EAX, 00000401h; ADD AH, BL; ADD [EAX], AL; ...
:That makes no sense. Must be missing something off the head end.
:3 unknown bytes; ADD [EAX+EAX], EAX; ... No better. Worse, even.
:4 unknown bytes; ADD AL, 00h; ADD [EAX], AL; ... Unh uh. Don't think so.
:8 unknown bytes; ESC-4(00); ... Floating point? Really? No way.
:12 unknown bytes; LOCK OR [EAX], AL ... Insane.
:I don't know what those bytes are, but they're not code.—[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 23:23, 3 December 2007 (EST)
::You're right, they're data. First Row is (left to right, 5 dwords): [[User:Jifodus/Memory research#Addresses_3|Start Address]], Offset from address at start address, Dwarf List begin offset, Starting points offset, Skills offset, remaining skill points points. Second row is a character string (15 chars max). Third row is a dword indicating which data index is default.
:: <tt>//Start Addr, O, Lizt, Ponts, Skll, Remain</tt>
:: <tt>{ 0x01251698, 4, 0xDC, 0x8F0, 0x70, 0x1C0 }</tt> - The read/write locations and whatnot
:: <tt>"0.27.169.33d"</tt> - Used for string comparison (-v flag)
:: <tt>2</tt> - The default version to use is the third in the list (what the above just added).
:: Configuration data can be found between 'DATA_SET' and 'TES_ATAD'. The list has enough space for 16 versions (3 are now in use). I'll just say I didn't want to have to recompile it for all the versions -- [[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]] 21:52, 6 December 2007 (EST)
If you wish to edit the executable, you can modify it so that it works with 0.27.169.33e by making the following changes with a hex editor:
Offset Overwrite With
----------------------------
2A550 |"98 26 25 01"04 00 00 00 DC 00 00 00 F0 08 00 00 70 00 00 00 C0 01 00 00
2A6B5 | 30 2E 32 37 2E 31 36 39 2E 33 33"65"
2A77C |"03"

== Patching Lavasquare ==

Due to someone being interested in running lavasquare on version 33g, I determined how to patch the exe to work with later versions. With a hex editor, open lavasquare.exe and find and replace with appropriate values (replace the X's with the values underneath for the version you want). I only tested it for 33f, but I'm assuming that the values for 33g are correct (since I got them off the wiki).

(CursorX)
FIND: EE 57 68 88 E2 8F 00 FF 35
REPLACE: EE 57 68 XX XX XX 0X FF 35
33f 88 F2 8F 0
33g 88 62 90 0
38a 88 F2 92 0

(CursorY)
FIND: EC 57 68 8C E2 8F 00 FF 35
REPLACE: EC 57 68 XX XX XX 0X FF 35
33f 8C F2 8F 0
33g 8C 62 90 0
38a 8C F2 92 0

(CursorZ)
FIND: E6 57 68 90 E2 8F 00 FF 35
REPLACE: E6 57 68 XX XX XX 0X FF 35
33f 90 F2 8F 0
33g 90 62 90 0
38a 90 F2 92 0

(MapBlocks)
FIND: FC 57 68 60 15 46 01 FF 35
REPLACE: FC 57 68 XX XX XX 0X FF 35
33f 68 25 46 1
33g 80 96 46 1
38a CC 29 49 1

(To exit immediately after writing, since I don't want to
verify the other offsets)
FIND: FF 35 5C 80 40 00 E8 88 61 00 00 0F BF 7D
F8 57 0F BF 7D FA 57 8B 7D FC 81 C7 60 06
00 00
REPLACE: FF 35 5C 80 40 00 E8 88 61 00 00 6A FF FF
25 6C B1 40 00 CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC
CC CC
-- [[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]] 02:05, 25 December 2007 (EST)

To modify the above for the same behavior as water:
FIND: 07 00 20 00
REPLACE: 07 00 00 00
-- [[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]] 17:09, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Addresses for 0.27.173.38a:
CursorX 0x0092F288
CursorY 0x0092F28C
CursorZ 0x0092F290
MapBlocks 0x014929CC
Offsets are still the same.
-- [[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]] 19:14, 7 February 2008 (EST)

Addresses for 0.27.173.38c: (These worked for me, but I'm not an expert on this stuff.)
CursorX 0x0094228C
CursorY 0x00942290
CursorZ 0x00942294
MapBlocks 0x014A60A4
--[[User:Dorundain|Dorundain]] 22:21, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Where is the Mapblocks found in the hex code? 0x01461560.MAP_DATA_MEM is the closest thing I can find.

--[[User:Silveron|Silveron]] 08:57, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

----

== Lavasquare Popup? ==

How do I remove the prompt? It is a painful thing for large projects. The macro below helps some, though. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 08:05, 4 January 2008 (EST)

#Persistent
SetTimer, CloseLava, 100
return

CloseLava:
WinClose, lcc runtime
return

del::
IfWinActive Dwarf Fortress
{
send {down}
run C:\Program Files\Dwarf Fortress\Utilities\lavasquare 33g.exe
return
}
else
{
send {del}
return
}

== Lavasquare ==

Why does it seemingly stop working after a while? It runs but summons no magma/lava. --[[User:Spelguru|Spelguru]] 12:28, 18 January 2008 (EST)
:No idea, never run into the problem though I've used it quite thoroughly. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 17:52, 18 January 2008 (EST)
:I've run into this once. Restarting DF fixed the problem. --[[User:SquirrelFarmer|SquirrelFarmer]] 09:50, 29 January 2008 (EST)

== Water ==

Could someone make an updated version? Having to slaughter anyone who gets injured just because the rain-filling-ponds doesn't work properly yet is annoying. -Shadow_archamgi, February 27 2008

==Weatherdwarf==
I can't find the page, but it's a utility that lets you change the temperature of an area and allows for some crazy stuff. Look it up on the forums; I have a community fortress to tend to. --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 20:18, 3 March 2008 (EST)

40d Talk:Broker

2008-01-12T12:15:52Z

KittenyKat:

How effective is it to make the Outpost Broker and the Expedition Leader/Mayor the same dwarf? And what complications and problems could arise from job conflictions, if any? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 20:20, 6 January 2008 (EST)
:None. I always make my expedition leader the broker ''and'' and trader, all at the same time. The only downfall is that if he die, from a failed mood for example, you'll have to start over. My leader in my current fortress is also at the same time my legendary crafter and is churning out masterwork items to trader as well as masterwork obsidian short swords in industrial quantity... When I need him to manage work orders or to go trade, I just suspend everything he have to do at the craftdwarf workshop and he go do his broker/trader work. Then I unsuspend everything, and no problems arise. If by a streak of bad luck he's sleeping when I need him to trade, the Sheriff usually take over the trading. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 07:39, 7 January 2008 (EST)
::How come you'd have to start over if he dies? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 07:15, 12 January 2008 (EST)

40d Talk:Broker

2008-01-07T01:20:01Z

KittenyKat: New page: How effective is it to make the Outpost Broker and the Expedition Leader/Mayor the same dwarf? And what complications and problems could arise from job conflictions, if any? --~~~~

40d Talk:Strange mood

2008-01-07T01:09:00Z

KittenyKat: small quession

Does the new version still have the strange mood? It wouldnt be complete without it!

:It still exists, I've had it happen several times now, I went to the archive wiki and copy/pasted the old page.

::Isnt that why the wiki was nuked? To make sure that no old info lingers? Ill put some "verify" in there, I dont think that the bold text is enough for users to understand that some of this may no longer apply. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 06:03, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::I agree. Although moods themselves don't seem to have been changed in this version, the changes to the stones/ores that they use means that some of the information in this article is no longer true. I'll have a go at cleaning it up when I have the proper time for it, but this wiki definitely needs a 'no copypasting from the archives' rule to avoid screwups like this. If people are going to copypaste old stuff, then it is downright irresponsible of them not to verify the accuracy of the information before committing it to the wiki. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]]

I know, I was a huge fan of that little strange aspect of the old one.

I need my dwarfs to make more swordfish bone swords, and i still need some glass weapons/armor

The moods seem to have changed. One of my dwarfs went fey, made a nice hematite mug, and is now a legendary... Engraver. Very wierd, he also had no stoneworking or other craftdwarf skills. But he was a competent mason. This was also my fifth dwarf who took the same craftworkshop, so it's a bit strange. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 17:36, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Six fey dwarf, all took the craftdwarfshop, now my bowyer took one. Think it might be a bug. Is the 15 artifacts limit still in? --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:34, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:: Whohoo my second legendary engraver made a gold mug. My bowyer became a legendary engraver. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:40, 8 November 2007 (EST)
::: Scratch all that, one of my woodworkers just used a carpenters shop. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 07:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:Have you marked all statements in the article that risks being falsified with <nowiki>{{verify}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 19:41, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Hey, I am getting a dwarf who wants "raw...crystal". Help? -- [[User:Bovinepro|Bovinepro]]
:Probably wants raw crystal glass. I had a dwarf ask for "raw...green", they wanted raw green glass. Looks like Toady might have moved the glass demands out of the "rough...color" category. [[User:Iddq?|Iddq?]]
::I had a dwarf that wanted some stones, metal bars ,leather and "raw...green", 'rough...color", and "rough[or was it raw?]...crystal" at the same time - he hauled everything(stones, bars, leather, green glass, a generic uncut gem) to his workshop exсept for the last thing. Too bad I'm not even sure that rock crystals exist in this version not to mention my specific location.--[[User:Another|Another]] 05:17, 12 November 2007 (EST)
:::Just verifying, rock crystal exists! Found a tiny pocket of them in some diorite.--[[User:Trukkle|Trukkle]] 14:47, 16 November 2007 (EST)

About the engravers taking over craftdwarf's shops and becoming legendary engravers afterwards is quite true. I recently got a bunch of immigrants, and the engraver that came with them fell into a strange mood before even crossing the bridge on my river. He took over a craftdwarf's workshop and made a basalt scepter, and now he's legendary level in engraving. So yeah, perfect laboratory conditions, he was 100% engraver when he went into his mood and came out a legendary engraver. --[[User:Zhang5|Zhang5]] 17:07, 12 November 2007 (EST)

It seems that no craft skill is required. I just had a peasant go into a strange mood. His skills were: competent marksdwarf; novice wrestler; novice armor wearer. He grabbed a craftsdwarf's workshop and 10 items (3xFelsite, Schorls, Tigereyes, Red Beryls, Giant cave swallow leather, Grizzly Bear Leather, Rough harlequin opals and Ash logs -- guess he has expensive taste?) and churned out an idol in relatively short order. This is my 9th successful mood in this fortress, and I've seen requests for between 3 and 10 items, personally. Since they seem to be increasing in complexity, I've either hit the item cap, or I'm about to break ten :) [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 16:34, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:This is consistent with older versions. Moody peasants would become crafters, and 10 items was the cap. The minimum was 1 item -- generally when constructing a "perfect gem".--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:55, 19 November 2007 (EST)

I had a miner go into a strange mood, take over a mason's workshop, and make a something that got him up to legendary miner status. In my current fort, I have had 6 artifacts made, 2 of which were actual moods and 5 of which were possessions (I can add, one of them failed and the dwarf became a babbling wreck). My dwarves love to use only one item: an oak door (1 item), an olivine coffin (2 items), a turtle shell mask (1 item and is my cheapest artifiact at 3600), a diorite amulet (3 items), and a perfect jelly opal (1 item). --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 18:47, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Where to add the info that in my game (.33c) a miner took over a mason's workshop, became legendary miner and then held the artifact in his right hand instead of a pick, which became 'hauled', then droped the pick and then took the pick with his left hand? He can mine after all these. While holding a 667 weight units cabinet in his right hand. --[[User:Another|Another]] 10:07, 1 December 2007 (EST)

I had dwarf Miller, profecienty Grower who had Fey Mood, and he became a Legendary Mason ....
Is it normal ? [[user:Feydreva|Feydreva]]

==Maximum number of artifacts==
Well, I just got my umpteenth mood, and it resulted in the 16th successfully created artifact.(33b) So that 15 cap thing is clearly wrong. As it happens, this single artifact is worth 754,800, and is an adamantine spear decorated with, among other things, adamantine. For the record, in case this data is important to someone tabulating number of ingredients, my moods in order created the following objects using the corresponding number of ingredients: (Flute, 4; Mechanism, 4; Spear, 3; Millstone, 6; Ring, 8; Chest, 7; Cape, 7; Ring, 9; Statue, 8; Idol, 10; earring, 8; Buckler, 8; Table, 3; Mechanism, 10; Bracelet, 5; and Spear, 8). [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:54, 27 November 2007 (EST)

== clarification on "trade" skills ==

Are trade skills all the skills that produce items with some level of quality? Mainly I want to know if dyer is a trade skill. And how does that work with miner? I didn't think miner was a trade skill. Maybe someone who knows more than me could clarify in the wiki.
I just got my first artifact. It's worth 2400. The dwarf took one log and made a scepter. -[[User:Radtse|Radtse]]

:I don't know exactly, we should make a list of the skills we know are not trade skills. I'll start: my brewer/grower once got a strange mood and made a wood item and gained woodcrafting skill. Let's try to only add to the list when we have experienced a moody dwarf with that skill only.--[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 19:36, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::I'm adding Weaver and Furnace Operator to this list, since they're on the wiki. I haven't seen them myself, but I'm assuming someone else has. Knowing that Furnace Operator is a "fey-able" skill will be quite helpful.-[[User:Radtse|Radtse]] 18:28, 29 December 2007 (EST)

:::Where's cooking fit in? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 20:09, 6 January 2008 (EST)

List of non-trade skills:

* [[Brewer]]
* [[Grower]]
* [[Miller]]

Skills that may be used and gained by dwarves with no trade skills:

* [[Wood crafter]]
* [[Stone crafter]]

Skills that use a different skill(See list above), but give correct skill:

* [[Miner]]
* [[Engraver]]
* [[Furnace Operator]]
* [[Weaver]]

== mood condition ==
The 20 dwarves / no crazy stuff has been found while looking at the binary of v0.27.169.33d, might be different now, but i don't think so. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 15:08, 2 January 2008 (EST)

User talk:KittenyKat

2008-01-07T00:04:31Z

KittenyKat: Discussion

Well this is highly annoying.. I go on a few months hiatus and I come back to my entire account wiped, all my contributions gone and the wiki without any trace I ever did anything here :( On top of that now there's one of those screwy image confirmation things on making a new account that can't be bothered to print what it says reasonably legibly in the image :P --KittenyKat

:Depending on how long a few months is, you could be talking about the same loss the other users had. Senso couldn't transfer the user files over when he made the new wiki (as opposed to the pre-33a wiki that's in the Archive. Check out the [[Talk:Main_Page]] for the full story as is available on the wiki. Hope this helps! --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 06:35, 5 January 2008 (EST)

:You can access the archives of the old Wiki version here: [[http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Main_Page]]. Your old user page can be found here: [[http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/User:KittenyKat]]. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 07:02, 5 January 2008 (EST)

:If what you wrote about the old versions applies to the new versions, you can bring that info over from the old wiki. But enough things have changed so that the old info can't be assumed to be correct anymore. We've rewritten most of the really important articles by now.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:28, 5 January 2008 (EST)

::Thanks guys, I appreciate you taking the time to get me back up to speed. And yeah I do have a tendency to vanish from games for months at a time before my interest returns :) I can't even remember how to do the quick signature/date thingy anymore here. T_T Seems there's a lot that was just quickly thrown up with a simple replacement page.. Do the old moat articles still apply to the new version for example? And did they ever fix clothes in the game? o.o --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]]

User:KittenyKat

2008-01-07T00:02:09Z

KittenyKat: Old page restored. Glee.

"Urdim Astenshal, Lumberjack has created Dasnastanam Shovethnefastkogan, a Mahogany floodgate!" -- Oh the gobbies can see it now: beaten to death by a ''dwarf'' wielding a wood and glass artifact ''floodgate''. What a way to go. xD

== About the Kittay ==
Yaaaay... Me. ^_^ I'm a Complete nooblet but immediately became a fan of the game the moment I was pointed to it (8/20/07). I'll do my best to help the wiki any way I can, too! =^.^=

User:KittenyKat

2008-01-07T00:00:08Z

KittenyKat: Opening the User Page

Placeholder text here, until I restore my old page or make a better one. ^.^;

User talk:KittenyKat

2008-01-06T23:59:24Z

KittenyKat: Yay, people :)

User talk:KittenyKat

2008-01-05T11:25:20Z

KittenyKat:

User talk:KittenyKat

2008-01-05T11:24:59Z

KittenyKat: Sigh... wonder what happened..