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User talk:Janus

2022-01-04T05:33:27Z

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User talk:Janus

2012-03-03T07:56:57Z

Janus: /* Re: Favicon */

User talk:Emi

2012-03-02T08:30:09Z

Janus: favicon recovery

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== Spanish translation ==

Hello! I'm a Spanish player of this game and I would like to begin the translation of this wiki into Spanish. I hope you like the idea! Regards.

== PROBLEM ==
since you "upgraded" the wiki, sometimes when i try to load a page, any kind of page in the wiki, instead of loading the page, my browser (chrome) starts downloading a file like this: DF2010-Magma.gz
the file never ends downloading and it contains nothing, so i dont know whats the deal with that, sometime is loads teh page as usual
*Take a look at [http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=96229.0 this forum thread] - most cases seem to result from using Avast Antivirus along with Google Chrome. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 00:38, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

== Upload Button Missing ==
Hello. I've uploaded [[http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/File:DA_Quarters.JPG,stuff]] before, but the upload link seems to have vanished for me. (I'd like to upload a small .exe file which makes the depot tradeing semi-automated so I can link to it from my user page.) What should I do?

Thanks,
--[[User:DDR|-DDR]] 01:28, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Update: Oh, so it's just down for a few days? OK, I'll be patient. Thanks for all the work you've done here, Emi. :)

== Eagles ==

Why can't I create new pages? I want to create a page about normal eagles.

: This wiki is going through a lot now. New name space for the latest DF version has been created and articles are copied to it, as far as they are still valid for the new version. Also this wiki's cluster size has been increased by two new servers and many things around it are being configured. So I think the admins just prohibited new article creation for a while until they sort things out. --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 17:31, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

: I've seen Briss has created the Eagle page, maybe it's so that you can fill it with content. --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 18:50, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

== a namespace just for me? ==

It says that if i'd like a user page i should post here asking for one.
can i have a namespace for me please? under Zazq? [[User:Zazq|Zazq]] 21:48, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

: A namespace is not the same as a user page. I'm almost sure you can't have a namespace just for you, but you can certainly have your own userpage where you can set up your own sandbox. I have created you your userpage, just click on the link on your name in the signature. You can start forging some good articles on your userpage. --[[User:Nagidal|Nagidal]] 23:46, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

== UserPage ==
could i have a page too? to edit and try stuff before posting ... Edit: it is Mohreb by the way ...

== v34 Utilities ==

Can we get a [[DF2012:Utilities]] page created?

== Giant sponges ==

Hello, I am new to this wiki and I would like to add articles for giant sponges and giant mosquitoes.

I trust I can just copy-paste the old tags from a DF2010 creature page and change them accordyingly ?

[[User:Naryar|Naryar]] 11:28, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

== Can I have two pages created? ==

I'd like to have two pages created for me, please.

1. I'd like my user-page created, so I can do all the other cool stuff that people do with their user-pages.

2. I would also like a whole new mod article made, please. Title it "Modern Warfare: Year 2100" too, please, as well.

EDIT: Username is UristMcHuman. Sorry I forgot that

== Interactions. ==

I would like a page created under 2012:Interaction, please and thank you. [[User:Lofn|Lofn]] 15:54, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
EDIT: a userpage/sandbox would also be very much appreciated, if you find the time.

== User page for Darchitect. ==

I'd like one, if you'd be so kind.
[[User:Darchitect|Darchitect]] 20:24, 29 February 2012 (UTC)Darchitect

== Favicon Recovery ==

I notice the favicon seems to have gotten lost somewhere along the way. Since I'm the one who initially made it using the main site logo for reference, I still have a copy sitting around. [http://dffd.wimbli.com/images/dfwiki_favicon.ico Here it is, feel free to use it again.]

User talk:Janus

2011-04-03T04:29:23Z

Janus: /* Ads and bandwidth */

v0.31 Talk:Weapon

2010-08-26T19:20:46Z

Janus: /* Mace V.S Hammer */

{{L|Weight}} now seems to play a significant factor in determining a weapon's effectiveness. A weapon that is very light ''(made of {{L|adamantine}}, for instance)'' will not be as effective as a heavier one. This needs more research.
-Moved discussion material to the discussion page
[[User:Studoku|Studoku]] 03:03, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

:Unfortunately it is a great deal more complicated than just the weight of a weapon. If the weapon an edge(such as a sword or axe) then the shear values of the material used become important. On the other hand, mass seems to be much more important to blunt type weapons such as mauls and war hammers. But it isn't know exactly how any of this works. It is all very unbalanced right now anyway, partly because Toady intends to add item damage to the combat system in the "soon™". Some of the counter intuitive quirks that are observed are because of the incomplete physical modeling. Some are bugs, others are design decisions that seem to stem from compromises in other parts of DF. Explanations of how the weapon/armor/wound system work from Toady are needed to understand what is going on, though a broad understanding may be possible on the basis of empirical testing. Regardless, extensive empirical testing is necessary to establish and test balance issues. It is all very much still a work in progress, especially given the current rapid rate of bug fix roll outs. It might not be a bad idea to start by creating creature like format pages for each of the weapons and materials, sense they are all in the raws now. -[[User:PencilinHand|PencilinHand]] 18:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I propose a table of weapons on this page. The list of weapons from the raws follows. --[[User:StrongAxe|StrongAxe]] 16:28, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_WHIP]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AXE_BATTLE]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_HAMMER_WAR]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_SHORT]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SPEAR]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MACE]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_CROSSBOW]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_PICK]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_BOW]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_BLOWGUN]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_PIKE]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_HALBERD]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_2H]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_LONG]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MAUL]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AXE_GREAT]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_DAGGER_LARGE]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SCOURGE]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_FLAIL]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MORNINGSTAR]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SCIMITAR]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AXE_TRAINING]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_SHORT_TRAINING]
*[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SPEAR_TRAINING]

== TRAINING WEAPONS ==

The military system is bugged as hell right now, but given that, how are training weapons '''intended''' to work? It seems like dwarves treat training weapons exactly as any other weapon, and will only train with training weapons if manually equipped or part of their uniform. Is it possible to have dwarves train with wooden weapons and then make a quick switch to real ones in case of an attack without having to wait on the arsenal dwarf to sign off on the changes? -Slothen
--[[Special:Contributions/99.96.100.228|99.96.100.228]] 19:54, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:As far as I can tell, it's simply incomplete. The only real function you could have for them now is to have separate training squads equipped with them. They seem rather irrelevant considering that the only training I've seen my dwarves do is individual combat drill.[[User:The Architect|The Architect]] 02:26, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

== MOODS & FOREIGN WEAPONS ==

I had a dwarf make a blow gun via a mood. Is this expected behaviour or a bug? Either way I think it should be noted that you can create foreign weapons via moods. [[User:EvilGrin|EvilGrin]] 23:28, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

== Poison on ammunition/weapons ==
All the underground races wear only spears or blowguns. The blowgun darts poison the attacked creature. How? Cause they are poisoned. And the poison is on the BLOWDARTS! Just Vew them and look at the blowdarts. As far as I saw they have either cave spider venom or GIANT cave spider venom on them. So you can poison you weapons by dropping poison on them, but how? --[[User:Niggy|Niggy]] 18:37, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

:Dwarves don't have that option. We can extract venom from phantom spiders and cave spiders, but we can't apply it to anything. See [[Extracts]].

== One handed or two-handed? ==

It would be helpful if it showed whether weapons were one-handed or two handed on the wiki. I looked in the raws and on each weapon there seems to be a two-handed tag with an accompanying number. I would assume that number is the minimum size at which a creature can wield the weapon one handed, but I'm not 100% sure about that. Also, I recall some talk in the forums about whether there is a bonus to wielding some weapons two-handed, stemming from a test wherein speardwarves without shields fared better than speardwarves with shields.
I'm not sure how the weapon's one handed versus two-handed status would be shown, as it appears to vary based on the race you are playing, but if it can be shown without too much confusion, I feel it would be for the better. A section explaining one-handed versus two-handed weapon use would be useful, if only to have it officially unknown what the effects are.
[[User:Monkeyfetus|Monkeyfetus]] 21:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Mace V.S Hammer ==

They are both blunt weapons of same size, so what is the difference between the two?

:Training with a warhammer increases the hammer skill, which is also used by marksdwarves when they run out of ammo and beat their enemies with their crossbows. If your weaponsmith has a preference for either weapon it makes sense to make that one. According to {{L|Item value}}, warhammers are worth twice as much as maces. But whether there's any difference in combat between the two weapons, I don't think anyone can yet say. If there's a difference it should be discernable by testing in the arena. [[User:Bognor|Bognor]] 07:36, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

:The raws for the two weapons are as follows
<code>[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_HAMMER_WAR]
[NAME:war hammer:war hammers]
[SIZE:400]
[SKILL:HAMMER]
[TWO_HANDED:37500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:32500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:200:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:2000]</code>

<code>[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MACE]
[NAME:mace:maces]
[SIZE:800]
[SKILL:MACE]
[TWO_HANDED:37500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:32500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:20:200:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:2000]</code>
:I remember hearing that the only difference in the initial DF2010 release was the smaller contact area of the warhammer, but it appears that the size of the mace has increased since then. Now, the mace has twice the size (and therefore, mass and weight) as well as contact area of a warhammer. The mace is heavier, and may slow your troops down slightly more, but it should deliver the same force per square inch (or whatever unit you wish to use), and do it over a larger area, which I 'think' would make it more deadly. I'm not an expert on Dwarf Fortress combat, so if you want more detail or more reliable answers you could check out the forums. [[User:Monkeyfetus|Monkeyfetus]] 21:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

:I just tested them in 0.31.12 in the arena by a mass melee of 18 macedwarves vs. 18 hammerdwarves, all of them decked out in bronze armor with an iron mace/warhammer, and each at "skilled" level in all basic (non-weapon-specific) combat skills along with "skilled" the appropriate weapon skill (mace/hammer). It ended with 12 hammerdwarves still standing and all macedwarves dead, and in a second test with 13 hammerdwarves still standing.
:I went on to test similar setups (regarding armor, skill setup, and iron weapons) with the other weapons. Swords and axes were close with swords being perhaps slightly better, with spears, maces, and hammers doing better than either of those. Spears seemed like a bit of a wild card; mostly they would overwhelmingly lose against maces or hammers, but sometimes they would just about break even (once with 20vs20 spears vs hammers, only 2 hammerdwarves survived). So, from my testing, it seems to me that against armored opponents, the progression is something like: axes>swords>>>spears>>maces>>hammers. I did a quick unarmored test out of curiosity with swords vs hammers (I did give them shields, though), and it's perhaps no surprise that the swordsdwarves won pretty overwhelmingly in that case two times in a row (11 and 13 surviving, respectively). I ran 4 unarmored hammer vs. mace battles, and hammers won 3 out of 4 of those with around half surviving, with the fourth battle being barely won by maces. So without armor, hammers still seem to be the better weapon of the two, if not by as much. Then again, the RNG might have just been throwing me some crazy results the whole time. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 19:20, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

40d:Bauxite

2009-01-04T04:28:22Z

Janus: Undo revision 38514 by Hypnotoad (Talk)... raw iron ore (and thus mechanisms) are not magma proof

{{Stone|name=Bauxite|tile=+|color=#800
|location =
* [[Sedimentary layer]]s
* Found as large clusters
|properties =
* [[Magma proof]]
* [[Material value]] 1}}
Bauxite is the only [[stone]], apart from [[Raw_adamantine|adamantine]], which is suitable for the construction of [[mechanism]]s to be used in [[floodgate]]s which will come into contact with [[magma]]. Unfortunately bauxite can be found only in sedimentary areas, which are rare around volcanoes. However, you can trade for ''Bauxite stones'' with the Dwarven caravans. They're not expensive, and you should get enough to make a few bauxite mechanisms (just make sure their wagons make it to your trade depot alive and in one piece of course). You can also plan ahead and buy some before embarking. Just be sure to keep your mason away from them until you turn them into mechanisms; [[forbid]] them until you are ready, if need be.

Bauxite is the only stone that contains [[Gem#Precious|rubies]] or [[Gem#Precious|sapphires]], found as small clusters.

While Bauxite is an [[aluminum]] ore, the technology to extract aluminum from it does not exist in the game setting.

[[Category:Stone]]
[[Category:Sedimentary Stone Layers]]
[[Category:Interesting Non-economic Stone]]

40d Talk:Legendary artifact

2008-12-09T08:23:44Z

Janus: only champions? what about heroes?

==What can become an artifact?==
What are some of the things that dwarfs can make into artifacts? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 03:59, 1 December 2007 (EST)
:Any item that your dwarves can craft and has a quality modifier can be made into artifacts. This includes armor, clothing, weapons, all kinds of crafts, furniture, cut gems and whatnot. Notable exceptions include coins(dunnae have quality modifiers), buildings(aint items) and babies(those rascals!). Bars, blocks, raw glass and other such base materials have no quality modifier and cannot be artifacts. I've never seen or heard about legendary meals, drinks and cloth/thread, so I think they can't be artifacts either. Though dwarves will say that they've eaten a legendary meal, when they've consumed a masterpiece meal. [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 06:02, 1 December 2007 (EST)
::Ive heard of someone creating a artifact meal and almost having it rot away before getting it into the food stockpile [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 11:00, 1 December 2007 (EST)
==Destruction==
On #bay12games, there was some question about artifacts being destroyed by magma. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Also ways to destroy artifacts which aren't listed: Trading, dumping in magma vent (the floorless bottom seems to count as chasm), and dropping a bridge on it. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 02:10, 20 January 2008 (EST)
:I can't imagine anything not made of a [[magma-proof]] base material *not* being destroyed by any significant immersion in magma. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:29, 20 January 2008 (EST)
::And yet because it's an artifact, it may have a special flag that prevents specifically that. Can anyone confirm non-magma-proof artifact destruction in magma? [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 11:52, 24 January 2008 (EST)
::Nevermind. I did. Artifact mechanism melted in magma. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 02:34, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
Can artifacts burn? After a very large confrontation with a couple dozen spirits of fire, my artifact kobold bone shield is putting off lots of smoke and burning anyone that comes near it, but isn't actually on fire (there's no !! next to the name). After about a year of it smoking up my fort, I channeled the ground under it and built a floor on top of it. 5 years later, it's still there, still smoking, and apparently hot enough to make the walls around it warm. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 16:44, 13 November 2008 (EST)

:By any chance is it encircled with bands of plutonium?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 17:33, 13 November 2008 (EST)
::Whoops, wrong bone shield. My other artifact bone shield is the buggered one: ''Tabaralen, "The Faithful Moth" This is a giant cave spider chitin shield. All craftsdwarfship is of the highest quality. Is is decorated with turtle shell and goblin bone. This object menaces with spikes of giant cave spider chitin, Native gold and Tower-cap. On the item is an image of two shields in Phyllite. On the item is an image of Tirist Leaderhammer the dwarf and dwarves in turtle shell. Tirist Leaderhammer is surrounded by the dwarves. The artwork relates to the ascension of the dwarf Tirist Leaderhammer to leadership of The Boats of Swallowing in 98. On the item is an image of Mosus Autumnstockade the dwarf in Phyllite.'' [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 10:06, 14 November 2008 (EST)

== Furniture ==

All right, so what can I do with a legendary [[lace agate]] [[hatch cover]]?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 03:20, 22 January 2008 (EST)
:<s>Same thing as 90% of Artis. Sell it or</s> Build it in a Noble's room. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 06:04, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:: Artifacts are not tradeable. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 08:19, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:::Really... that's weird then since I would swear that I sold a particularly valuable bracelet after killing off it's creator that was otherwise useless... Being that it was a good amount of time ago (possibly even pre-3D) that I actually *tried* to sell an arti, it's quite likely that time has muddled an attempt to sell into a successful sale. I suppose this somewhat nullifies my previous comment, since it's far less than 90% of artis which are buildable. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 08:46, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

We just endured a rather nasty goblin ambush (I'd built a nice castle but hadn't yet built a real military to go with it, so we huddled inside with the drawbridge up for a whole season while I had my dwarves equip and train a small army to "break out" with) and one of my peasants gave me the nicest present after we cleaned up; a legendary goblin bone door made out of the bones of our fallen enemies. I very much want to use this as our castle's main entrance door now. Does anyone know if an artifact's indestructibility applies to trolls and similar door-wreckers? Oh, I've got magma, so I'll make a copy of the save game and test whether magma can burn through such a thing too. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 15:30, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
:It's a constructed nonterrain feature, thus it's going to be knocked down by anything that deconstructs constructions. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 17:38, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

::Hmph. I'll put it a couple of layers deep inside my fortifications, then. Guests will pass through it but invaders will have to fight pretty hard to get there. I'll just have to be satisfied with my giant electrum drawbridge as a fancy front door. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 18:10, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

My current fortress desperately needs display cases or pedestals for artifacts... or statues could hold them; a legendary blowgun, two scepters and a mask would look cool on statues holding them or in cases. You can build furniture artifacts but currently the only way to "display" other artifacts is to create a stockpile for them. Hmm... imagine a legendary king's statue holding several other artifacts. Forced happyness on anyone walking past it. --[[User:Karpatius|Karp]] 05:42, 5 December 2008 (EST)

== Artifact menu ==

I seem to recall stumbling across a list of the various legendary artifacts I had created. Can anyone tell me how to get to it again?
:If you're talking about current artifacts in a given fortress, you get a new menu option once you've produced atleast one in that fortress. (lowercase {{k|L}}) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 21:59, 22 January 2008 (EST)

much better
--[[User:NateAustin|NateAustin]] 17:36, 29 February 2008 (EST)

== Trade ==

Is it possible to trade legendary artifacts? I just got a legendary statue and it currently sitting my furniture storage. I 've tried to get my dwarves to bring it to the depot, but it doesnt show up on the trade list. Is it possible? [[User:Robje|Robje]] 18:09, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
:No, Artifacts are not tradeable. They will not even take them to the depot if they sit in a bin marked for trade. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 08:20, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

== Value ==
The value can be found under the artifact menur "l"
what is the maximum calue you have found on an artifact, mine is platnium high boot for 146400? --[[User:Corhen|Corhen]]
:There is a thread on the forums somewhere with this specific purpose. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 17:02, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

== "Finished Goods"-type Artifacts...? ==

I understand the point of furniture artifacts- they can be built and are great for nobles- but what the heck are you supposed to do with artifact rings/amulets/crowns/scepters/et cetera? I'm sitting on over 300,000 value worth of "Finished Goods" artifacts. I guess my dwarves don't like building furniture... --[[User:Borgin|Borgin]]

:You could abandon the fortress and come back in adventure mode. Artifact rings? Too good! --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 11:01, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

:There might be more point to those types if/when artifacts start getting special magical effects. That's probably a long ways off though. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 12:16, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

:But even in Adventure Mode, artifacts (besides weapons/armor) don't have much of a point, right? To be honest, I've never gone through Adventure Mode- ''it lags my laptop''. Sad, I know. But like BahamutZERO said, at least they'll gain some point ''eventually''... And hopefully soon. --[[User:Borgin|Borgin]] 23:46, 15 May 2008 (CST)

::Well you can trade 'em to merchants in Adventure mode, I'd imagine? Maybe not, I've never tried, and I doubt the shops sell anything you'd care about (ie masterpiece steel or adamantine weapons and armor). Still, I think it's fun to walk around wearing an artifact ring or amulet! At least until an archer kills you. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 02:45, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
:::As far as I can tell, artifact crafts/goblets/etc are used entirely for boosting your fortress created wealth stat. There is rarely a time when a sudden 200k added to that is trivial.--[[User:Dadamh|Dadamh]] 14:36, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

:::Artifact craft items work weird in Adventure mode: you can sell them to a shopkeeper for all their goods and cash, and just pick it back up and walk away without guards jumping you for thievery; you can even re-sell it to the same guy if he has any money left. This is a pretty blatant exploit, though of limited use (coins is heavy!). You cannot, however, fast travel with an artifact you've already sold. But what does a wandering professional spearelf do with a turtle bone crown, anyway? --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 21:25, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

== selling ==

is there a way to hack DF and be able to sell artifacts? --[[User:0todd0|0todd0]] 20:58, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== Artifact millstones and gems ==
My dwarves have made three artifacts so far; I know that my emerald flask is just for style, but what of the "Perfect Aquamarine" and the Millstone? Will some noble love having a mill placed in his bedroom, grinding away at all hours of the night when he's trying to sleep, or is it just going to annoy him? As for the aquamarine, can it be crafted into furniture? Will this raise the item's value exponentially? Will it still serve to elevate a room to royal status for satisfying noble needs? If no one has the answers to these questions, I'll do the research myself and post findings.
--[[User:Eddie|Eddie]] 14:33, 2 July 2008 (EDT)
::Go ahead and use the millstone -- it'll work just fine. As for the gem, it just looks pretty. Sometimes gem cutters make large gems, and you can trade them away.[[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 11:16, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

== Artifact quality modifier? ==

I know that the quality modifier for regular equipped items is 1.0... for masterful it's 2.0... But what is the modifier for artifact level items? I can't find it anywhere. --[[User:PrettyGrizzly|PrettyGrizzly]] 11:04, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
:The QUALITY modifier for artifacts is the same as Masterful, 2.0. The VALUE modifier of artifacts is MUCH higher than the Masterful's x12, though. :) AFAIK, the only difference is that only Legendary weapon/armor users can equip legendary weapons/armors. I may be wrong but I believe I read something to that effect a few months back. ----[[User:Borgin|Borgin]] 20:00, 12 August 2008

== Too precious to put down ==

Am I the only one whose dwarves create legendary... [[floodgate]]s, put them down in the workshop and immediately pick them up again... then continue on with their merry lives just significantly weighed down?

I have never been able to use an artifact yet. My dwarves just never let them go!
[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 03:04, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

:That's never happened to me, fortunately. I've seen three legendary doors, a legendary grate, a legendary bed, and a legendary batman cabinet, and was able to place them all normally. In fact, I've never had a military dwarf who was skillful enough to be worthy of picking up a legendary weapon or piece of armor. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 04:37, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

:I do believe that, in earlier versions, artificiers would carry their artifacts with them until death ripped them from their icy fingers. Perhaps you're just using an older version...? [[User:Borgin|Borgin]] 20:04, 12 August 2008

== Weird Materials (and armour?) ==

"Artifact weapons won't be used by recruits and normal warriors, only by elites and champions." Does this include armour? Also, should we add somewhere that weird materials are possible? Platinum plate armour (which is AWESOME) and the like that aren't normally possible? (I know I've seen it said ''somewhere'', but it's not here) [[User:Droqen|Droqen]] 10:58, 27 July 2008 (EST)

: My Charbone Battle Axe says it should be written down SOMEWHERE :P ...as does my Kunzite Cabinet and Blue Garnet Statue. I have some crazy dwarves. Oh, and that thing about any room with an artifact in it being royal....bunk. I have an artifact Bismuth Chain in a throne room, place didn't get bumped up to royal status until I also threw in the artifact Oaken Hatch Cover. --[[User:Eddie|Eddie]] 11:51, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
:: I think that, more specifically, it is that ''most'' artifacts will bump up a room to royal but all. Example: I have a Purple Spinel Door (worth 48000) that bumped up three rooms at once to royal quality. --[[User:Toloran|Toloran]] 20:07, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Um, my craftsdwarf just got possessed, and he made a bone spear. "this is a rhesus macaque bone spear, highest quality craftsdwarfship, adorned with hanging rings of birch. does anyone how much damage it will do? is it even possible? [[User:Destor|Destor]] 10:32, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
:Bone gives a 0.5 damage multiplier, but being an artifact gives it a massive (though unknown) damage multiplier also. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 09:32, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

== availability ==
Is there a way to hack the game so you can make artifact weapons, even if the dwarf isn't in a fey mood? Or better, for them out of nothing? -Eddren, Fortress extraordinar

:Firstly, you signed incorrectly. Use four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) to sign with the name and date.

:Secondly, you spelled 'extraordinaire' incorrectly.

:Thirdly, no, not without modifying the source, which would mean you'd need to be a developer (which is, at the time of writing, just one person--Toady), or you'd need to decompile the executable to the base code (good luck with that). And after that, you'd need to be knowledgeable enough in the language it's written in to modify the code to suit your needs.

:In short, no. Wait for moods, like the ''rest'' of us do. And don't expect to be able to create '''artifacts''' out of '''nothing'''. ~ [[User:Midna|Midna]] 02:55, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

== Artifact Quine! ==

My Tanner claimed a leatherworking shop and produced a self-referential artifact: Lathonnunùr, "The Mythical Crevices", a donkey leather mask.
:This is a donkey leather mask. All craftsdwarfship is of the highest quality. This object menaces with spikes of dog leather and Alunite. '''On the item is an image of The Mythical Crevices the donkey leather mask in donkey leather.''' On the item is an image of Portalshades the alligator and dwarves in muskox leather. Portalshades in surrounded by the dwarves. The artwork relates to the rise of the alligator Portalshades as an enemy of The Problematic Sack in 29.
Presumably the image is recursive? Anyway, this artifact was apparently ''so cool'' that it created a disturbance in the Force which the dwarves back home managed to pick up, because the very next caravan to arrive offered an empty lead cage decorated with a (presumably also recursive) picture of The Mythical Crevices:
:This is a well-crafted Lead cage. It is decorated with exceptionally worked giant eagle leather and encircled with bands of exceptionally worked Ruby. On the item is a finely-designed image of The Mythical Crevices the donkey leather mask in Cassiterite.
(Note that I'm running with <tt><nowiki>[SHOW_ALL_HISTORY_IN_DWARF_MODE:YES]</nowiki></tt>, and my fortress started in the year 88. I didn't feel like waiting for the whole thousand-year history to generate — if you hit Escape during worldgen, you can start playing with the universe "so far". Useful thing to know.)
--[[User:Quuxplusone|Quuxplusone]] 23:40, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

== Reclaim Mode and Artifacts ==

It seems that if you have artifacts, lose your fortress, then reclaim, the artifacts are weirdly affected. Artifacts become sellable, for a start. This kinda makes sense because your dwarves don't care so much about someone else's artifacts, I suppose. The really odd thing, though, is that constructed artifacts (grates, doors, etc) seem to stop being artifacts. Shislugbumal becomes merely an elf bone throne - and if you view the items in the "building" the throne contains a Shislugbumal which isn't marked [B], can't be dumped or claimed, isn't listed in the stocks screen etc. And if the throne is deconstructed, it ceases to exist entirely. It does, however, still give a huge boost to the room value. Is this normal behavior?

PS: Damnit, every time I look to this wiki my dwarves all run off to be eaten by skeletal horses. Bastards. --[[User:Groveller|Groveller]] 10:57, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

== Adventure Mode Artfact Oddity ==
So I go to my fortress where two artifacts, a spear and a boot, happen to be still inside the forge. I take the spear and boot out, equip the spear, drop the boot, and look again. It shows that the spear and boot are still in the forge, with an additional boot outside the forge. Further, when I fast travel and end up fighting a bear, the spear is gone from my hand. Thankfully I'd kept the old one as a spare. Any ideas what's going on here? --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 14:57, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

== Only dwarves with a legendary skill will use artifact weapons or armor? ==
This bit was just added, but I thought it had been established that [[Soldiers#Heroes_and_Champions|heroes]] ("great" skill level or higher) can also use them, not just champions (legendary skill level). That selfsame data is referenced under [[Legendary_artifact#Usage|Usage]] in this article. I'd edit the article accordingly, but I'm not really sure of that fact; I just remember Toady mentioning offhand at one point something along those lines, that heroes could use them or similar. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 03:23, 9 December 2008 (EST)

40d:Legendary artifact

2008-12-08T01:41:50Z

Janus: no, the same sentence mentions Possessed... though it could do with linkifying

Dwarves in [[strange mood]]s will create '''legendary artifacts''': unique, "named" items which are of unsurpassable quality (and usually cost). An artifact is the ultimate expression of a [[dwarf]]'s desires, fears, memories and hopes in art form, and each dwarf will produce only one in their lives (or die trying). [[Dwarves]] that create an artifact are always granted the status of [[legendary]] unless they were [[Strange_mood#Possessed|possessed]].

Dwarves drop artifacts in the [[workshop]] or in an appropriate [[stockpile]] as soon as they are made. They can then be used just like other items. However, be warned that when a dwarf equips an artifact item (as a weapon or armour) he will never drop it, and may even carry around several artifact weapons in each hand{{version|0.27.176.38c}}. Of course, you might not see a champion [[swordsdwarf]] wielding eight artifact [[adamantine]] scimitars at once as a bad thing.

Artifacts cannot be destroyed unless lost in a [[chasm]] or dropped to the [[magma]]. They ''can'' be stolen by marauding parties; an artifact lost to you will have a note to that effect in the Artifacts screen(press {{k|l}}).

==Construction==
Dwarves will use anywhere from one to ten items in their construction. If you view ({{k|q}}) the [[workshop]] a dwarf has seized while the dwarf is in it, you can see what materials he or she plans to use (see [[strange mood]]s for further details).

==Usage==
Currently, artifacts can be used just like all other items, except that it cannot be traded to [[caravan]]s. A dwarf carrying a [[job]] item artifact, such as a [[pick]] or an [[Battle axe|axe]], will use it to perform that job. A dwarf with an artifact [[weapon]] will use it to great effect in battle if drafted or forced to engage in combat. Artifact weapons won't be used by recruits and normal warriors, only by elites and champions.

===Quality===
Artifact items have a [[quality|quality modifier]] of 120×. This is applied on top of the item's [[item value#Base values of items|base value]], its [[decoration]]s and the value of all [[item value#Material multipliers|material]]s used in its construction. (From testing, an artifact piece of [[furniture]] will raise the value of any [[room]] to Royal, for example.)

Artifacts will automatically have one "free" decoration of the same type as its base material. For instance, a "Perfect Ruby" might have "Images of mangrove trees in Ruby". This decoration doesn't consume additional materials: in the above example, only one ruby was used.

Artifacts can range in value from 2,400☼ to well over 100,000☼ (for the curious, the limit is 648,000☼ if adamantine isn't used). Since [[immigration]] totals are - among other factors - based on your fortress's "Created Wealth" (and held/worn items count double in the total), expensive artifacts are often the driving factor behind how many immigrants show up in the first years.

Artifact [[armour ]]and weapons have a high damage/protection modifier, at least greater than a similar [[iron]] item of basic quality. Though even [[steel]] artifacts will not surpass basic quality adamantine items. Note that the material of a [[crossbow]], artifact or not, does not change its shooting abilities, only its viability in melee.{{verify}}
[[Category:Items]]

40d:Iron

2008-12-06T13:15:25Z

Janus: +ing

{{Metal|name=Iron|color=#888|bgcolor=#CCC
|ore=
* [[Hematite]]
* [[Limonite]]
* [[Magnetite]]
|uses=
* Make [[pig iron]] at [[smelter]]
* Make [[steel]] at [[smelter]]
* [[weapon|Melee Weapons]]
* [[Crossbow]]s
* [[Bolt]]s
* [[Pick]]s
* [[Armor]]
* [[Anvil]]s
* [[Metalsmith's forge|Metal crafting]]
|properties=
* [[Magma]] proof
* [[Armor|Block]]% 100
* [[Damage]]% 100
* [[Material value]] 10}}

'''Iron''' bars can be smelted at a [[smelter]] by a dwarf with the [[furnace operating]] labor activated. Iron is a fairly common, naturally occuring metal and can be obtained from [[hematite]], [[magnetite]] and [[limonite]] ores.

Iron is predominantly used to forge [[weapons]] and [[armor]], and its strength is the baseline from which all other metals are judged: [[Steel]] and [[Adamantine]] are more effective, [[Copper]] and [[Bronze]] items less effective. Iron is the most commonly used of the three metals used to forge [[anvil]]s (steel and adamantine are harder to obtain but the anvil does not become more useful). Iron can also be fashioned into objects such as [[coins]], [[furniture]], and [[crafts]], when it is not being used for more practical purposes.

Iron bars can be used to make [[pig iron]], which in turn is used to make [[steel]] bars.

Iron ore is found in [[sedimentary layer]]s and [[igneous extrusive layer]]s. [[Andesite]], [[Basalt]], [[Felsite]], [[Obsidian]], and [[Rhyolite]] layers are igneous extrusive, while [[Sandstone]], [[siltstone]], [[mudstone]], [[shale]], [[claystone]], [[rock salt]], [[limestone]], [[conglomerate]], [[dolomite]], [[flint]], [[chert]], and [[chalk]] layers are sedimentary.

Invading goblins (or humans) often carry iron equipment. After successful [[fortress defense]], liberated arms and armour can be melted into bars. This can be a reliable source of iron even when ore is scarce.

Iron is used in steelmaking at a [[Smelter]], as a part of the following recipes:

*[[Pig iron]] = Iron + [[Flux]] + [[Coal]]
*[[Steel]] = Iron + [[Pig iron]] + [[Flux]] + [[Coal]]

[[category:metals]]

Talk:Main Page/archive2

2008-11-23T00:34:30Z

Janus:

Order descends newest to oldest. Use edit to add a newer section.

== The "Bedroom Design" page is broken ==

When trying to load the page I get this error:

Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/virtual/site152/fst/var/www/html/dwarf/includes/Parser.php on line 2717

It's been this way for a couple days at least. The rest of the wiki works fine. – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Phillstac3|Phillstac3]]

:The culprit was too much QD, which caused the page to load too slowly. The wiki gave up when it didnt load fast enough. I have the culprit for now, but I have idea for a more permanent solution. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 08:28, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

== "new version" ==

ShunterAlhena changed "new version" to "new (3D) version" to "3D version". I changed this to "Z-axis version", to reduce newbie confusion (thinking there's a fully-3D graphical version could be disappointing) but now I'm starting to wonder if maybe "new version" would be best after all. As far as I can tell, "new version" doesn't just mean all of the versions since the October 2007 release, but rather the ''latest'' version.

That said, that's what I'll tweak it to. --[[User:JT|JT]] 19:47, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

== Offline Version? ==

Is there an offline version of DwarfFortressWiki (ala [http://static.wikipedia.org/ Wikipedia])? I'm going to be doing some traveling, and would like to use this resource when I don't have internet access :) --[[User:Sim9]], unsigned

:I know that obtaining one is possible. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:31, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

:I was told that a torrent was circulating on 4chan and other places but I don't know anything else about it. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 12:46, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
:Go to [[Special:Export]] then go to [[Special:Allpages]] in another window/tab. Make a copy of every article's name. Paste it into the export page and click export. Now its just a matter of finding a way to parse the xml file you get.

:I now have an offline copy. I can post it if anyone is interested in a copy :) --[[User:Sim9|Sim9]] 22:57, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

:: Just found this: [http://www.wikitaxi.org/delphi/doku.php/products/wikitaxi/index WikiTaxi]. It took me a while to find a suitable program for viewing Wiki XML dumps, so I thought I'd save some others the time. By 'suitable', I mean easy to use and without requiring a lot of extras before it will work (most I found require you to set up a server with a MySQL database and apache - I already meet those requirements on my desktop, but that almost defeats the purpose of downloading the wiki in the first place). This one however is completely portable - I can have it on external storage and use it on any computer I find myself needing to. --[[User:Tyranic-Moron|Tyranic-Moron]] 13:57, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

== Coincidence? ==

I got a quote that said: 
"You have been processed! Go forth, now, and edit!" 
--Savok 
right after creating this account... Is this a coincidence or a command? 
--[[User:Peewee|Peewee]] 20:02, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

:Coincidence. That's the end of a newbie-welcoming template that someone found funny enough to put in the [[Main Page/Quote|Quote list]], which delivers randomized quotes to the main page. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:49, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

::Both coincidence AND command. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:41, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

== Russian Interwiki ==
I've made a deal with the admin of the Russian wiki, we can both link to each other. So if you know Russian, you're welcome to add links to the bottom of pages to their equivalent Russian pages.
For example, on the [[Carp]] page, I have added [[ru:Карп]] - so there is now a link to its Russian counterpart in the left-side navigation bar, under the "In other languages" header. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 13:37, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
:Looks like the other wiki may be down/broken. I don't have a suggested action though. -- [[User:Vaevictus|Vaevictus]] 13:33, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
::I have made new russian wiki. URL: http://www.dfwk.ru. I do translation now. -- [[User:igoreklim|igoreklim]] 22:15, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

== Many Laughs ==
Congrats to whomever made the april's fool's day changes. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 04:34, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

:Agreed. I didn't think of doing anything myself so kudos for going in. Nobody changes it for the whole day, I'll revert any reverts. :) --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 08:56, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

== Navigation on bottom ==
Since recently (2 or 3 days) the navigation and search box are at the very bottom of every page (opera user). Can someone please fix this? --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 07:38, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

:It's at the bottom of the page for me too, and I'm using Firefox. [[User:Klada|Klada]] 11:43, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

::Confirm this is happening for me as well, Firefox 2.0.0.12 ubuntu 7.04. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 14:56, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

:::For what it's worth, ditto, and FF 2.0.0.12 Windows XP Home Edition Version 2002 Service Pack 2. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:07, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

::::Hah! Sorry, meant Senso. XD Good to have another confirmation regardless. Anyway, I went ahead and emailed him. It's weird how it just cropped up all of a sudden, hopefully something easily fixed. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 02:00, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

:It should be back to normal now, sorry for that. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 11:54, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

::No worries, looks good here. Thanks! --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 17:54, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
::: *[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] jumps up and rejoices*
:::: "[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] was pleased to have a mandate deadline met lately."? --[[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 06:13, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

== "American" English or Rest-Of-The-World English? ==
Just a minor question, while spell-checking articles, I've encountered a few discrepancies between the two, but I usually see the "rest of the world English" more. So what's the official rule here, assuming we're going for a constant? --[[User:Snoob|Snoob]] 08:40, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:Haha. You don't sound biased at all ;). I figure we can go one of two routes. We can either claim that DF is an american topic, since it's being made in america by an american and the wiki is on an american domain—or we can say DF is an international topic since people from all over are funding Toady. If it's an international topic, we might as well follow the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English wikipedia manual of style]. Wikipedia has no preference over the variant used, but there should be consistency in each article. The first user who makes an edit which disambiguates the variety being used in the article is considered the first major contributor and all subsequent edits to that article should use the same type of english. If in doubt, we have history pages. I think the reason you see british english more often in the wiki is because we've had a few editors who in their extreme modesty decided british english is superior and changed several of the american english articles over. I've noticed this happening on a few occasions. (please dont do that). [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:53, 7 March 2008 (EST)
::I second sticking with the Wikipedia's Manual of Style for language. And as a note, there isn't a "Rest of the World English." In fact, the language is documented to vary [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_accents_of_English_speakers|as much as the countries that speak it].
::So, how does the Namibian English variant sound to everyone? At least then most of us are at an equal starting point! :P --[[User:TarrVetus|TarrVetus]] 11:25, 7 March 2008 (EST)
::I made a pretty bad assumption there, I suppose. I was trying to not sound biased, but I suppose I accidentally let it creep in somewhere. I'll just leave the variations to you guys and stick to cleaning up actual typos then. :P --[[User:Snoob|Snoob]] 11:37, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:::Hehe. I can sympathize, Snoob. I've had this debate with myself in the past, though it was from the other side. --[[User:TarrVetus|TarrVetus]] 13:17, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:::This is a late reply, but I am an American in China. Here, English is classified either as American English or British English, and American English is widely preferred even though British English is taught to beginning students. I wouldn't say calling it "rest-of-the-world English" is very accurate. I would venture that many countries in Latin America also prefer American English, but what do it know.--[[User:RustyMcloon|Rusty Mcloon]] 01:16, 17 May 2008 (EDT)

== Version updates ==
There's a new version out today, so the version number and release date need changing. Unfortunately I have absolutely no idea how to do this as they appear to use some kind of function instead of being typed in. Somebody with the know-how fancy making the change? --[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 10:04, 24 February 2008 (EST)
:[[Template:current/version]]
:[[Template:current/lastupdate]]
:[[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:15, 24 February 2008 (EST)

== Quote randomization ==

VengefulDonut, if you want to randomize that for improved quality, you'll need to do it right: Many (most?) of the quotes in the quote archive are in an ARCHIVE: They are bad quotes never intended to be reused. Also, what do we do when we get new quotes? Do they get put in a database, not to be used till the RNG chooses? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 20:11, 7 February 2008 (EST)

:What would you like? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:36, 7 February 2008 (EST)

::I suggest that one quote is permanant, and the other quote refresh everytime we visit the page. So far, I noticed that even if I refresh the page, the same quotes stay. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 05:49, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::A new quote on the left, and a randomized archive quote on the right? As for the refesh: the template checks the time. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:35, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::What is the tick? Every few minutes? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 08:14, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::The template checks the time, but the time doesn't update because the server caches the page. It gets a new one whenever the server refreshes it; you can force this by editing the page or by clicking the preview button. Also, I could make it so that one of the quote boxes picks from the newest x quotes. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:43, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::Having a newer quote on the left and an archived one on the right sounds better than a permanent quote on either. PS. Might want to remove a few of them, like the 'palisade' quote. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 11:47, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::::The goal of the quote archive was to archive every single quote which ever got to the main page. If you want to thin out only the best quotes, I suggest you use a separate database for that. Even then, how "good" is a quote is very open to interpretation and taste. If I had to remove all the quotes I find bad or unfunny myself, I'd probably remove 80% of the present quotes in the archive. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:46, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::::Ok. The right quotebox now chooses from the last 10 quotes instead of from among all of them. If anyone feels like they want to prune out or fiddle with quotes, go for it. I think what I've set up should be pretty straightforward, but if you have questions I'll be glad to answer them. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:11, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::I added two new quotes (40, and 41), but only 40 is showing up at the moment, am I doing something wrong? --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 10:10, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

::::You did it exactly right. The left quote box randomly chooses between all quotes. The right quote box randomly chooses between the 10 newest. It will come up eventually. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:17, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

:::If possible can we implement a check to insure that the left quote and the right quote are not in fact the same quote? I suppose it wouldn't be a big deal with a small quote, however when it is large, such as the 7 line one I ran into today appearing in both boxes, it makes the page seem a bit crowded and symmetrical. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 14:51, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

::::We could do that, but the probability of identical quotes is 1⁄<totalquotenum>, so I don't think it's really needed.

== Requesting installation of ParserFunctions extension ==
It would be nice if the ParserFunctions[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions] extension was installed (#if, #expr, etc). It would be useful for having templates that exclude parts of it if no values are provided. Note: I cannot find a place for requesting extensions --[[User:Aygar|Aygar]] 13:00, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:ParserFunctions has been '''installed'''. I did a quick test and it works. Let me know if you run into problems. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 11:54, 22 January 2008 (EST)

== German Translation ==
I've got requests for either having a German wiki or Namespace. I'd like to have everybody's opinion on this. If you people think that having German (and maybe other languages eventually) translations on the main wiki is going to be annoying, tell me. I can also setup a new wiki on a subdomain (de.dwarffortresswiki.net for example). How would it be best organized? Should I use [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Languages LanguageTemplates]? Is there a need for other additional languages? --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 09:31, 17 January 2008 (EST)
:Since Dwarf Fortress is only available in English, if you can play the game, you can also read the wiki. I really don't think a German (or any other language) wiki version is worth the effort.--[[User:Siliziumleben|Siliziumleben]] 14:22, 18 January 2008 (EST)
::My oppinion also. This doesn't mean we should stop those enthusiam people though. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 13:06, 17 January 2008 (EST)
::There's a big difference between understanding a game interface and reading long and complex tutorials, descriptions, discussions etc. I know French people who play this game; they can understand the UI but they use the French wiki for reference. Also, if I decide to use a separate wiki/subdomain, this will be totally transparent to you. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 16:40, 17 January 2008 (EST)
:::My first language, the one I used since I'm born, is French. Yet, I way prefer this wiki over the french one. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 10:06, 18 January 2008 (EST)
::::I'm French too, you know. But when I offered to host a DF wiki, I didn't do it in French because I know English is widely used. But I'm still glad that someone else started a French wiki. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 22:58, 20 January 2008 (EST)
I don't see what harm could come from hosting a German, Japanese, and Russian wiki. It's not like it will interfere with the English one. Also, as a student of languages, I would love to read equivalent articles in German and Japanese. --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 22:01, 17 February 2008 (EST)
::I am german and while I can read english books like german ones, I have to agree that being able to use a UI and understanding the finer points in a tutorial etc. are two quite different things. I guess that if the bandwidth of the wiki is no burden on anyone, it could actually lead to an influx of new ideas and players, which is very important for a "community" game like DF. --[[User:Caiburn|Caiburn]] 20:44, 18 February 2008 (CET+1)

== Version of MediaWiki? ==
Sorry if this is completely the wrong place, but does anybody know which version of MediaWiki these pages uses?
Maybe that information could be included in the page About DwarfFortressWiki? --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 17:00, 17 December 2007 (EST)
:I think I found out. This page: [[Special:Version]] says the version is 1.10.1, which should mean that limited #for-loops are supported. I will delete these comments soonishly, but will let them stay for a while incase someone has comments --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 17:28, 17 December 2007 (EST)

== Combat Logs? ==
What about a section where people could post cool combat logs from adventurer mode. This would different from the "Stories" section, which is more prose. (This is 'cause I'd like to post the log of a battle I had with a particularly clumsy Giant, who slammed into a wall allowing me to stab him in the back of the head for the eventual win. Its no dragon-slaying tale, but I still think its good.) --[[User:Wahnsinniger|Wahnsinniger]] 11:59, 2 December 2007 (EST)

== Humor? ==
Any thoughts about possibly linking [[Main Page/Quote Archive]] page somewhere on the main page? Its an orphan at the moment and is pretty funny and relevant. [[User:Vanan|Vanan]] 15:19, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I'd like to be able to see that happen. New people coming here might get overwhelmed if we don't amuse them with some good humor here and there.--[[User:AlBorland|AlBorland]] 13:42, 20 November 2007 (EST)

:I second that. This second is adorned with hanging rings of Goshenite and menaces with spikes of Goshenite. - [[User:Laugurinn|Laugurinn]] 22:57, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Where does one stick new funny quotes? Namely, this:
 ""Thikut Atheludib, Marksdwarf cancels shooting at Archery Range: Interrupted by Groundhog pup" - What brave soldiers I have" [[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 18:45, 10 December 2007 (EST)
:That's not exactly funny, but [[Main_Page/Quote]]. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 00:43, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

== Demystify messages? ==
Probably against the spirit of 'losing is fun', but how about a page that explains smoe of the more cryptic messages, such as; 'job item misplaced' and 'job item lost or destroyed'? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:43, 8 November 2007 (EST)

Also, is there a suggestions pages? This probably isn't the best page to add ideas... [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:44, 8 November 2007 (EST)

== Importing old entries ==
What's the stance on importing entries from the old wiki for stuff like general item stats? Most of them are still correct (or nearly so) and it would be nice not to have to switch between this and the old wiki any more. I can add a disclaimer to them stating I pulled them from the archives if that's appropriate. --[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 15:07, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
:IMO (and I'm not admin or anything) it should be ok but only if you are 100% sure EVERYTHING is correct, and have verified it personally. I've edited at least one article someone copy-pasted with no changes that had old info in it so far and it makes me sad. --[[User:BurnedToast|BurnedToast]] 15:38, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
::Yes, I second this. Please be diligent if you are going to import old information. Even if you can't do it yourself, at least categorize it as needing verification so someone with the free time can. --[[User:EighenIndemnis|EighenIndemnis]] 15:37, 6 November 2007 (EST)
:You could use [[Template:Verify]] to indicate that something needs confirmation in the new version. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:47, 6 November 2007 (EST)

I have noticed an increase of pages in which only an old Wiki page is copied/pasted along with a warning that it was copied and thus may not be accurate. Is it just me or that's ''exactly'' what we didn't want to happen, and one of the reasons we started fresh with the new Wiki to begin with? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 01:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

== Basic Format ==
I think the [[Farming]] page is a good format for most of the key pages, perhaps the structure from the archive should be followed. --[[User:Infinity|Infinity]] 05:56, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
:Agreed, I've tried to copy this style on several pages, e.g. [[Gear Assembly]]. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 23:30, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
I would like to add a request for a 'build tree' of sorts. It would, for example, make figuring out how to get iron bars a whole lot less frustrating. --[[User:Dogcow|Dogcow]] 17:18, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
:Hello, I've added a whole page on the various metals you can make now. This is my first time editing a wiki so feel free to make corrections for me if you want, just leave me a message on the page letting me know where I went wrong. Also, since some Alloys involve smelting 3 bars of metal now, I have included a new template called Alloy3 to display these. I'm not sure on the colors though so have at it where I'm off :) --[[User:Chthon|Chthon]] 11:33, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:Would like to second the build-tree suggestion. New player here, and I use the wiki to reference items I require but do not know how to build. I may be a bit slow, but it took me half a year to figure out I needed a Weaponsmith to make new Iron Picks. The wiki page only mentions the Metalsmith's Forge, and it never occurred to me that Weaponsmiths use the same workshop, since a pick is physically both wood and iron. Having a description that says exactly what is needed to create an item would be very useful for new players. --[[User:T.D.|tuxdelux]] 15:15, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

== Change guide? ==
Was just thinking, perhaps one of the links (or sections) on the main page should be a guide to the major changes between last version and this one. Yes, a TON of stuff has changed, but a lot also has not, and a lot of the core concepts are the same... so I would imagine many of us who have played the previous version(s) would love a section where we can see a list of new basics we have to learn, along with links to those things' individual pages... like, z-axis (obviously), mechanisms, fluid dynamics, nobles, elevation/slope, farming... you get the idea. --[[User:Cliffjeff|Cliffjeff]] 11:43, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:Yea, I'm thinking not. Isn't the whole point of DF finding things out on your own? "Losing is Fun" and all that. Ok, so if we summarized all the changes, and someone (like me) didn't want to know we could not just not look at it right? What can I say? I'M WEAK! If we summarize the changes I will CONSUME it! (I'm only here because I still have another 6 hours of work before I can go home and try it!)
::Meanwhile, I'm lazy and stubborn and would love a consolidated list of only new things I need to know =p and I'm also trapped at work and unable to mess around in the game :( but if the whole point was finding out things on your own, why would we have a wiki? ;p --[[User:Cliffjeff|Cliffjeff]] 15:58, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:::I agree, I think the change guide is a good idea, and it would also help us direct our attention at the articles that are likely to need the most work. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:01, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
::::It ought not to be very hard to generate a basic change guide based on the official change notes, and then update it as the details are discovered. --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 16:26, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:::A change guide 'page' might be useful pointing out major differences but I think the style of the wiki should be aimed at new users who know nothing of previous versions. I think we should not compare old/vs new as a rule, but if necessary we should include comparisons at the bottom of a page as apposed to the main article. That is how I am writing my edits. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 23:26, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
::*The thing is, the whole idea of the wiki kind of goes against 'finding things out on your own'. If you want to be completely surprised by a game, don't read a wiki specifically intended to reveal all the details about it... sure, we do put warnings on the most spoily stuff, but at the end of the day this is a Wiki intended to document everything about Dwarf Fortress, so just about every page is going to be a spoiler to some degree. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] 03:12, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

To add my take on this subject... I think that this is a gigantic game, in some ways more complex then any of the Elder Scrolls game. I mean, in the ES games, you have weapons, armor and others... In this game you have an exceptionally large number of items of many different types and purposes... It's very difficult for newbies to fathom exactly what an item is used for. Without this Wiki, I think a lot of people would struggle with this game. [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:59, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

== Possible bugs ==

Hi, this is my first time writing to any wiki.

I am writing about possible bugs. I have seen, that some sections of this wiki contain information about bugs. I think I have found one, but don't where to put it, or whether it is already here. I am also sorry, if this isn't the right place. If so, please delete this entry.

Anyway, if your furniture stockpile isn't big enough, and you try to put furniture into a specific room,it is sometimes possible, that that furniture won't be put. Instead, it will be blinking forever. You can change it functioning (make bedroom, throne room...) but to be honest, I don't know if this item is actually there, or not.

== alternate site???? ==

there appears to be a very similar site at
http://dwarf.lendemaindeveille.com/index.php/Immigration
(not just that adress)
what is the diffrence???

That's the address which was originally used for the site, before Senso registered a separate domain for it (dwarffortresswiki.net). Both domains are valid and point to the same content, so they're interchangeable. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 20:59, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

== Quotes ==

Just for the record, does anybody mind if I put a link to the [[Main Page/Quote Archive]] page on the front page? [[User:Shabang50|Shabang50]] 12:58, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

== Shutting down the archive ==

In about two weeks, I will shutdown the read-only archive (http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net) as I believe we've been using the current versions long enough. I'm also looking at ways to reduce the server load, disk space used and bandwidth consumed. So there. If articles were not ported to the current wiki, please do ASAP. If you have objections, please speak now. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 12:33, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

:Regarding outright deletion: I'd prefer you didn't. Is there at least a way to preseve it in some downloadable format? The old version of the game was interesting in its intrinsic danger, and besides that, I have a succession game using that version. I think a downloadble, locally-running copy would be a good idea.--[[User:Dadamh|Dadamh]] 13:19, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

::Mediawiki allows for database dumps to be made. Any chance you could do this? I am interested in this content. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki - you'd just follow the procedures for an xml dump and make the resulting files available for a limited time. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 17:14, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

== PSA ==

While the intention is great, the main page isn't the place to post it.
It should be added to the editing/creating dialog, probably so that it appears under any previews, and above the actual editing box. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 16:53, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

:Gladly - just tell me how to do it without the required permissions. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 19:50, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

::It was my intention that you would bring it up to Senso to do it. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 22:35, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

:::Agreed, putting editing pet peeves at the top of the main page is overkill. Ask Senso to make the changes Edward suggests.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:34, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

:Frankly, I think it's important enough, and unknown enough, that it should stay on the front page. -- [[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 20:58, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

::If it does stay on the main page, professionalize it a bit more and remove the sigs. My vote's for taking it down anyways. I almost hit revert as a "knee-jerk response to vandalism". The main page article is not a place to air your grievances about how people edit. --[[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 06:02, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

:::If it could be moved to the Editing/Creating page, then I wouldn't object to moving it off the main page. But I'm on several wikis, and not one of them lists the sign-off info anywhere that's easy or intuitive to discover. [[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 20:06, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

::::It can be, it just needs edit permissions on the host. While it looks a tad better now (thanks RF), it's still entirely out of place. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:34, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

::::This is a very jarring thing to see on the main page. It is completely out of place and affects the first impression people get when they see the wiki. It just makes us look bad. Put the issue on Senso's talk page and he is likely to add it to the editing dialog, but it should be taken down first. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:34, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

::::I have removed the PSA under the premise that changes to the main page are wrong until proven right, rather than the other way around. We can return it after agreement has been reached regarding its presence. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 23:44, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

:I'll mess with the code today and include such a warning directly on the Editing template. I'm also tired of people not using signatures. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:59, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

There may be a page in the MediaWiki namespace that can be used. [[Mediawiki:Edittools]] will add text _after_ the edit box; I don't know about before. I know Wikipedia has a feature for that but I think it's an extension. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 08:41, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Huh. after going through the source code I can now say there is NOT one - there's ones for all kinds of special cases (creating a page, recreating a deleted page, editing a protected page as an admin, editing a Mediawiki: page as an admin) but not one to just always show. Nevermind, then [[User:Random832|Random832]] 08:54, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

:I don't even see a huge problem with people not signing their posts, anyway. If a person only makes one or two posts, knowing their "name" isn't important. People who intend to stick around should be [[template:newbie|clued in]].--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 15:39, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

== Lets Download Dwarf Fortress! ==

Well you can't, and that's the issue. Are there any plans on changing the main page's link to a mirror? Since this wiki comes in second on Google only to the official Bay 12 homepage, it'd make sense for there to be a working download for potential players. [[User:Raithah|Raithah]] 01:05, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

: I added the links for mirrors 2-4 to the downtime notice. "Mirror" 1 is B12G itself. - [[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 01:15, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
::Per my PM to FunnyMan, is there a mirror link available for the Mac version? These are just the Windows version. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 21:35, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
::Though for obvious reasons I am unable to vouch for it's integrity (ie. infected by virus, spyware, etc.), [http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/Dwarf-Fortress.shtml|Softpedia] has a mirror of the most recent version, OS X edition. [[User:Raithah|Raithah]] 00:33, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
:::The download link is just the Bay12 site again, which is down, however Funnyman has just added a Mac download mirror link to the main page. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 16:26, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

== ETA? ==

I miss Bay 12 Games! Does anyone have any idea when we should be getting it back? I just want to know if I should stop constantly clicking my bookmark and sit back and wait for a few weeks. --[[User:Zoodle|Zoodle]] 16:23, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

: I think it's safe to say that since we can't make donations to Toady while the site's down, it'll be back up pretty soon. --[[User:Fossaman|Fossaman]] 13:58, 27 October 2008 (PDT)
::You can make donations: if you go to an archived version of the page, the paypal buttons still work since paypal didn't crash. According to Toady on at least two occasions, the site was supposed to be back up today (monday). But that doesn't seem to be happening. It should happen soon, though. --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 22:23, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

::Looks like the main site just came back up. The forums are still not back up yet, though I imagine they will be within the next few hours. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 08:32, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

::You'll be pleased to know that the forums are now back up as well, and seem to be functioning normally. [[User:Ryo|Ryo]] 13:00, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

::So Random### decided to say that the forums are '''not''' up. Last I checked, being able to reach the "you are banned" screen means the forums are back up. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:16, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
...huh? (way to insult me behind my back btw - if you have something to say, next time say it on [[user talk:random832|my talk page]]) - anyway, it was a DNS problem, and the page I did see was a PHP error message, NOT a forum software "you are banned" messages. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 16:35, 10 November 2008 (EST)

== Forums? ==

A short time ago but after the forums crashed I got a pair of PMs claiming to be from the bay12games forum.

Are these forums up somewhere, or how would I explain those PMs? – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]]

:Last I checked, the b12g forums were actually back up and linked to from the bay12games site. <_< --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:47, 20 November 2008 (EST)

::Nope, when I go to /forum/ I just get a mostly-empty directory view --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 09:14, 21 November 2008 (EST)

DNS problems. See instructions at http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=34213 . [[User:Random832|Random832]] 11:57, 21 November 2008 (EST)

:Not helpful- I've already flushed my DNS several times, used ''different'' DNS's, and tried that fix- I'm still getting the 'empty' forum folder. And according to cmd>ping, the DNS addresses are already correct.

::Strange. Try going specifically to http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 22:21, 21 November 2008 (EST)

:::404, actually --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 01:03, 22 November 2008 (EST)

::::OK then, what IP address is it indicating when you ping the server (which you mentioned above)? The new, current IP (which I double checked) for bay12games.com is 216.97.239.212. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 03:59, 22 November 2008 (EST)

::::That -is- the IP ._. In fact, that`s been the IP for months.
::::That said, manually going to http://216.97.239.212/forum/ worked, but trying to click -anything- redirects me to a 404 on bay12games.com/forum/. About the only other thing I can see is that I'm getting wwwRedirect in the GET string.
:::: Hm, found what may be the issue. Despite having flushed/registered the DNS a week or so ago, my DNS records still have the wrong IP in for bay12games. Confusing as all get-out, since /dwarves/dev_now.html works fine for me. {{unsigned|Sukasa}}

:::::The ping command should resolve DNS entries exactly the same as your browser would, so that was why I was asking (i.e. "ping bay12games.com" should resolve to 216.97.239.212). Glad you've got it nailed down as a DNS issue though. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 19:25, 22 November 2008 (EST)
:::::Uh, by the way: do you access the internet through a router? Sometimes they can muck things up, and in fact I've seen one cause problems by caching DNS entries. Fixing such a problem would vary from one router to the next, though. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 19:34, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Talk:Main Page/archive2

2008-11-23T00:25:58Z

Janus: /* Forums? */

Talk:Main Page/archive2

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40d Talk:World generation

2008-11-21T08:17:39Z

Janus:

If you guys can think of anything to add to this, let me know. [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 19:58, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

:I would suggest changing the region numbers to 101-107 etc, as they're unlikely to be already used, and most pregen maps (packs and non-packs) are unlikely to ever use that range either. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 23:01, 3 January 2008 (EST)

:Simple, I want a description of what the symbols on the map mean. eg, what does "#" stand for?

::At the bottom of the article you'll see a set of links to other Overworld related pages. [[Map_legend]] is the one you're looking for. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 03:17, 21 November 2008 (EST)

Oh yeah, and I can't get the last graphic to show, even though it exists. [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 20:17, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

It took me *way* too long to figure out, but I know why the last picture isnt showing. It has "ad" in the URL, and you are using AdBlock.
:Thank you, anonymous. :)

From my own little experiments, it looks like the /wait commands aren't needed. There may be a difference in OS here, but under Windows XP Home SP2, I can create a .bat file with

dwarfort.exe -gen 1

dwarfort.exe -gen 2

right after the other. When one creation ends, the window closes and the next begins. The two [RANDOM]s aren't required, either. If the .bat is in the same folder as your executable, you don't have to go through the whole "C:\df\whatever" tree, either. [[User:Mephisto|Mephisto]] 16:08, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:Well, like I said, it's for you to use or modify if necessary. I know that it will be compatible on all copies of XP and beyond... I don't care to bother and check what version of XP I have, but the batch program will not function correctly unless I use the /wait commands. Obviously you wouldn't need to include the directory of the files, unless you ran it from the desktop. Some good observations, nonetheless. [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 22:15, 5 December 2007 (EST)

::I just tried this without the "start /wait" part, and it didn't work for me (Win XP SP1) - it generates only one map, then stops. Leave the code as it is.--[[User:Siliziumleben|Siliziumleben]] 21:32, 2 January 2008 (EST)

::Like it more this way. If you'll have any problems with 'wait's, just add it.--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 01:42, 11 January 2008 (EST)

i dont get seeds.. sure theyre not random... but what do they do? a list of different seeds and what they create? [[User:Twiggie|Twiggie]] 10:16, 5 December 2007 (EST)

seeds define the world that is generated; unless you want a world that somebody else has generated, then using the 'random seed' option will give you a more-or-less random map, (don't be confused by all the pseudorandom stuff, it's random enough -_-) well, I doubt anybody has a list of pregenerated worlds and their seeds, but I think it'd be better to create your own. There'll be areas with low difficulty and areas with high difficulty, so there's no problem there.
[[User:Jc100|Jc100]] 06:18, 12 December 2007 (EST)

On random seeds... It is very difficult to make a number that is truly random on a computer. Instead of doing something like hooking up a Geiger counter and a source[http://www.imagesco.com/geiger/geiger-counter-kits.html#rngad] to generate a pseudo random number, you pick a starting point - a seed. You can run this number through a function[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mersenne_twister] and get another number. This new number is returned and used in the next iteration. This is a pseudo random number sequence[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudorandom_number_generator]. One of the things that is useful about a pseudo random number sequence is that it is deterministic - if you start with the same seed, you will get the same random numbers. Thus, when you use the seed someone has provided, you will get the same world generated. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 17:26, 29 February 2008 (EST)

[[Image:Pocket example.png]] 
With v0.27.176.38c, in world generation you can now select the size of the world. For example - a pocket world (above) - thats it, thats the whole thing. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 17:26, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:On the topic of updating this, I've gone through and done so. We might need a new page for all the advanced options, though. [[User:Masterful|Masterful]] 03:26, 15 July 2008 (EST)
:Yeh this page needs some updating for v0.27.176.38c. What seed did you use to generate that Shagie? All pocket worlds I generate have 10,000's of rejects and I give up. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 03:07, 21 March 2008 (EDT)
::Hmm seems some options I changed meant I couldn't generate pocket worlds. It worked fine with a fresh copy so I'll have to check what exact changes I had made which prevented it. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 03:52, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

== What do they mean ==

What do the options mean specifically? How does percentage of beasts dead before stoppage effect my game world, how does changing the elevation by 1 or 10 or 100 effect the generation process. What do I do to get more rivers or less mountains. Something more detailed than taking a dictionary to a screen would be helpful. Consider that new gamers who know nothing about anything related except Tolkien might be looking at this and trying to figure it out. What versions brought in what features? Etc.
Forgot me tag --[[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 01:37, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

== Who is Toady referencing in the interview? ==

I think there's an ever so slight possibility that he means me. I'm...not sure though, and it's not likely, but it feels nice to know there's a possibility.

At its most complex, running Dwarf Fortress is like having an ant farm. You look in, and these little bearded guys are roaming all around, each with his own agenda. It's fascinating to watch for its own sake.

TA: Somebody modded their dwarves into antmen [laughs]. I even have a few people that went as far as donating, and they don't even play. They just like to check out the stories.

I wonder...

40d Talk:Utilities

2008-11-20T16:06:23Z

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=== Dwarf Fortress File Depot ===
Would be great to get the majority of these uploaded to the [http://dffd.wimbli.com/ Dwarf Fortress File Depot (DFFD)]. I'm having trouble with some of the currently linked hosting sites. I've just gotten Regional Prospector, so I'll see about getting that one up. Thanks guys! --[[User:SlMagnvox|SlMagnvox]] 14:33, 25 February 2008 (EST)

<hr>

=== Accent Removal ===
I added the accent removal utility here from [[Accent Removal]], since that's about to be deleted. However, none of Wikipedia's show-hide-box stuff works here (I assumed it would...), so it's a big glob of pre-formatted text in there that should be hidden. Could someone do it? [[User:Zardus|Zardus]] 00:51, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
:[[User:Jackard/Accent_Removal|Accent removal tutorial]] contains detailed instructions on the subject. I think, we could replace the whole thing on utility page with one link. [[User:Nophotoavailable|Nophotoavailable]] 20:58, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

=== AutoHotKey ===
Should autohotkey be added as a utility tool for dwarf fortress? I know a few forum users have used it to do repetitive tasks like room designations, maybe it could have its own page and a few dwarf fortress specific script?--[[User:Thehunterunseen|Thehunterunseen]] 20:43, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:Ive been looking for a macro program that works within dwarf fortress and thats free. Havent found a good program thats the combination of both. What do you use? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 20:51, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::autohotkey [http://www.autohotkey.com/] is a program like that --[[User:Thehunterunseen|Thehunterunseen]] 21:13, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:::That was the program I used. Wierd. For me, when I inputed "6" for moving one step right... it moved like 8 steps right or something. Couldnt figure out why. Any ideas? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 22:57, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::::I know that {{k|shift}} + {{k|→}} = 10×{{k|→}}. Could that have something to do with it? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:17, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:::::I use "Send {LeftArrow}{Enter}{Enter}", as a test to simply have the wall/floor im building to be placed one step to the right instead of where the cursor actually is. As previously said, however, it didnt work. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 07:05, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

::::::That might be because the {LeftArrow} part isn't right. It's supposed to be just {Left}. I've downloaded the program myself and am not having any issues with it in DF.. I'm running XP, and use it in fullscreen mode, if that helps any. --[[User:Hesitris|Hesitris]] 18:53, 12 November 2007 (EST)

: So could some people who actually know some autohotkey scripts make an article and submit some? --[[User:Thehunterunseen|Thehunterunseen]] 13:37, 6 November 2007 (EST)

::I use it and more or less know how it works but as soon as I use it inside DF it bugs out completely and I have no idea why. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 17:56, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::I have a number of scripts that I use, but they randomly bug out for no apparent reason. They will work fine in notepad (ie, output everything exactly as I expect), but be only partially executing and then failing in DF. Again, sometimes they work fine. I could post them and how they work if someone wants. FYI, I am on Vista and that may be an issue. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 02:39, 19 November 2007 (EST)

::::I'm not sure how CPU cycles and the buffer interact in Vista. Is your FPS low? Perhaps a key is dropping out of the buffer but DF isn't recognizing it due to lag? Or lag might be making the buffer overflow. It might depend on how autohotkey sends keystrokes, I don't know if it simulates a key press or directly input ssomething into the buffer. You could try a small sleep(50), or the equivalent, in autohotkey and see if that helps. Also, make sure it isn't losing focus for some reason due to background programs (although that would be strange) -Gotthard

:::::I think it's a lag issue in DF. I've yet to figure out exactly what is causing lag for me. I think it's pathing with too many dwarfs and too complex of a hallway system over too many Z levels. Also, I think playing very large maps causes me to lag, as well, but I think that's related to the pathing problem and all those other creatures trying to path. It definitely got better in this version, tho. I will hold off on trying to say definitively what's up with AuthoHotkey until after the next patch. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 03:50, 21 November 2007 (EST)

::::::AHK does tend to do wierd stuff in DF, but most of it is predictable. A lot of wierd errors that make no sense can be fixed by explicitely telling the script to focus on the Dwarf Fortress window, as well as generous Sleep statements. I found while rewalling a 30x30 outline, sleep 100 worked fine for the first two sides but posted about half of the second two. Sleep 150 placed the second two somewhat erraticly. Sleep 200 got the second two just fine. --[[User:Knivesu|Knivesu]] 10:22, 23 December 2007 (EST)

=== Dwarf Foreman ===
Foreman is looking at the wrong address for the units... which is not a good sign, since I've seen it in the address it seems to be looking at. I've also seen it bounce around. Definitely not a good sign if the list location isn't static. Or we're just looking at the wrong one completely. --[[User:AzureLightning|AzureLightning]]

:It's pretty easy to find the addresses for this for new versions. Running the program in the directory with the new version gives you the check= value, and the others are moderately easy to suss. Also, I don't know exactly how it works or why it works, but from C->D->E start and pos were incremented 0x1000 each version, so laziness dictates trying that in future. [[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 16:37, 9 December 2007 (EST)

Is there any info on what the offsets (dwarfidpos, critter_start, profession_start) actually refer to? I'm capable enough with finding memory addresses, but exactly what profession_start is eludes me. Even dwarfidpos is a little unclear.

dwarfidpos = Address of Dwarf Race ID
critter_start = Start of Main Creature Vector
profession_start = Offset into Main Creature Vector the array of jobs.
[[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]] 00:41, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Does anyone know the values for v0.28.181.39f? --[[User:Aristoi|Aristoi]] 18:18, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

:Still no word on 39f? Perhaps we can get a little write-up on how to discover the appropriate values added to the foreman homepage. That way, when a new version of DF is released, any number of people could search for and contribute the new values, instead of depending on the few people who already know the process. --[[SWSaunders|SWSaunders]] 09:10, 12 August 2008 (ADT)

::Thanks Jerethi50, beat me to it. When I went to enter the values you already had! SWSaunders: What I did (having never done this before) was to download a memory viewer (HxD hexeditor) and then look at the old version vs the new version in memory. In the old version, I found the character at the dwarfidpos address and searched forward till I found that in the new file. For critter_start I went to the old process and found it there, then searched forward in the new process till I found the pattern match (it wasn't too far). The data was different but the pattern was the same. The profession offset hasn't changed so I left it as is. --[[User:Aristoi|Aristoi]] 11:13, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

:::That's exactly how I do it, except I have written a program that does it for me, since it saves time. I also tend to forget to post Dwarf Foreman's new config during updating. Usually I remember to update the tables at http://www.geocities.com/jifodus/tables/ini_jifodus/ and that has all the information you'd need (critter_start=[creature_data].base; profession_start=[creature_data].jobs); however, it seems I didn't update it this last go around. If you wander around my website, you should be able to find enough information posted there (provided you can understand it all) to learn how to update foreman for yourself. --[[User:Jifodus|Jifodus]] 22:22, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

To make Foreman compatible with previous versions of Dwarf Fortress, update the config file as shown below.

==== v0.27.168.33g ====
<pre>check=008c407c
critter_start=01427B50
dwarfidpos=01248AC8
profession_start=45c</pre>

==== v0.27.173.38a ====
<pre>
check=01E30A43
critter_start=01450E98
dwarfidpos=01271E10
profession_start=45c
</pre>

==== v0.27.176.38a ====
<pre>
check=023401d3
critter_start=01463378
dwarfidpos=01284188
profession_start=480
</pre>

==== v0.27.176.38b ====
<pre>
check=01e3dbcc
critter_start=01463570
dwarfidpos=01284188
profession_start=0470
</pre>

==== v0.27.176.38c ====
<pre>
check=01cf4654
critter_start=01464570
dwarfidpos=01285188
profession_start=0470
</pre>

==== v0.28.181.39a ====
<pre>
check=01aa9d3a
critter_start=015124f4
dwarfidpos=0131f1b8
profession_start=0474
</pre>

==== v0.28.181.39b ====
<pre>
check=01a16957
critter_start=015134f4
dwarfidpos=013201b8
profession_start=0474
</pre>

==== v0.28.181.39c ====
<pre>
check=01b89dbc
critter_start=01513514
dwarfidpos=013201d8
profession_start=0474
</pre>

==== v0.28.181.39d ====
<pre>
check=01b0747e
critter_start=0151f93c
dwarfidpos=0132c1e0
profession_start=0474
</pre>

==== v0.28.181.39e ====
<pre>
check=01b76baa
critter_start=0151f93c
dwarfidpos=0132c1e0
profession_start=0474
</pre>

==== v0.28.181.39f ====
<pre>
check=036276be
critter_start=01575dec
dwarfidpos=01382690
profession_start=0474
</pre>

==== v0.28.181.40a ====
<pre>
check=03186cb3
critter_start=0158222c
dwarfidpos=0138e698
profession_start=0474
</pre>

==Regional Prospector?==
I notice the Regional Prospector utility is no longer listed - what happened to it and did it get updated to the newest version? --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 05:20, 20 November 2008 (EST)
:The functionality is now provided on the embark screen, so the utility is obsolete. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 08:38, 20 November 2008 (EST)
::Except it really isn't. Yeah, I can have it search the world for a site for me, but it doesn't tell me where exactly those features are - so if I want to play with size or location a little bit I don't know if I'm losing anything. It also returns only one hit, which can make finding the type of site you want hard, especially as some variables (tree cover, relative elevation, diversity of alignment/biomes) can't be searched over making that first hit with an underground river and magma pipe (or whatever) not necessarily the one you want. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 10:42, 20 November 2008 (EST)
:::Yes, it is. Regional Prospector would make the game show various features on the local embark map such as chasms, magma vents and magma pools. This is now supported natively by changing the "SHOW_EMBARK_???" variables in the init.txt file to "ALWAYS". Same functionality. The site finder feature which you're referring to is an additional feature, which indeed doesn't yet work perfectly. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 11:06, 20 November 2008 (EST)

40d:Dungeon master

2008-11-20T14:18:48Z

Janus: found the new forum link after briefly playing around with the forum search function

{{Noble
| noble=Dungeon Master
| quarters=Quarters
| dining=Dining Room
| office=Office
| tomb=Burial Chamber
| stands=1
| racks=1
| chests=1
| cabinets=1
| arrival=
* 50 population
* Discover site feature
| function=
* Tame exotic animals
}}
:''"The dungeon master ponders fell beasts and treasure."''

The '''dungeon master''' is a [[noble]] and, like the [[expedition leader]], is not a position that can be replaced by the player. S/he arrives as an [[immigrant]] and is not elected. The dungeon master arrives in a fortress' first immigrant wave after reaching a population of 50 if certain site features are present like [[magma]], a [[river]] or a [[brook]] (as [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=13243.msg122185#msg122185 confirmed] by Toady One). [[Toady]] has signaled the intention that the site feature should initially be hidden; the dungeon master would only arrive after the feature is discovered; currently this is not (yet) the case. {{version|0.27.176.38c}} The dungeon master may also arrive alone, without immigrants.

The presence of this noble allows taming of exotic [[animals]]. Exotic animals are animals with the [PET_EXOTIC] tag.

The dungeon master arrives with skills from both the [[metalsmith]] and [[ranger]] groups. These skills are:
*[[Animal trainer]]
*[[Animal caretaker]]
*[[Furnace operator]]
*[[Metal crafter]]

Additionally, Dungeon masters have [[armorsmith]], [[weaponsmith]]ing and [[metalsmithing]] turned on even though they possess no base skill. At the moment{{version|0.27.176.38c}} since there is no way of adjusting a noble's jobs this means s/he could start taking over any of these crafts from a more skilled [[dwarf]] unless Workshop Profiles are used on the forge to prevent such.

[[Category:Nobles]]

Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Spamreport

2008-11-07T18:27:42Z

Janus: /* Use this page to notify the admin of any spamming account. */

=== Use this page to notify the admin of any spamming account. ===

Another user like the recently-banned Treewish, [[User:Freeair|Freeair]] has appeared (and has already had it's [[User talk:Freeair|talk page]] cleared and marked for deletion).
:Banned --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 10:03, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

And another one: [[Special:Contributions/Hijing|Hijing]].
:Banned. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 10:03, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

A vandal here: [[Special:Contributions/Torpedoazza]].
:Asswhipped. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:22, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

A couple more vandal members, presumably the same person: [[Special:Contributions/Dksjdsfakj|Dksjdsfakj]] and [[Special:Contributions/Alsfjlsadfjlaskdj|Alsfjlsadfjlaskdj]].

Talk:Main Page/archive2

2008-10-28T12:32:31Z

Janus: Bay12 back up (mostly)

Order descends newest to oldest. Use edit to add a newer section.

== The "Bedroom Design" page is broken ==

When trying to load the page I get this error:

Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/virtual/site152/fst/var/www/html/dwarf/includes/Parser.php on line 2717

It's been this way for a couple days at least. The rest of the wiki works fine. – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Phillstac3|Phillstac3]]

:The culprit was too much QD, which caused the page to load too slowly. The wiki gave up when it didnt load fast enough. I have the culprit for now, but I have idea for a more permanent solution. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 08:28, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

== "new version" ==

ShunterAlhena changed "new version" to "new (3D) version" to "3D version". I changed this to "Z-axis version", to reduce newbie confusion (thinking there's a fully-3D graphical version could be disappointing) but now I'm starting to wonder if maybe "new version" would be best after all. As far as I can tell, "new version" doesn't just mean all of the versions since the October 2007 release, but rather the ''latest'' version.

That said, that's what I'll tweak it to. --[[User:JT|JT]] 19:47, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

== Offline Version? ==

Is there an offline version of DwarfFortressWiki (ala [http://static.wikipedia.org/ Wikipedia])? I'm going to be doing some traveling, and would like to use this resource when I don't have internet access :) --[[User:Sim9]], unsigned

:I know that obtaining one is possible. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:31, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

:I was told that a torrent was circulating on 4chan and other places but I don't know anything else about it. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 12:46, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
:Go to [[Special:Export]] then go to [[Special:Allpages]] in another window/tab. Make a copy of every article's name. Paste it into the export page and click export. Now its just a matter of finding a way to parse the xml file you get.

:I now have an offline copy. I can post it if anyone is interested in a copy :) --[[User:Sim9|Sim9]] 22:57, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

:: Just found this: [http://www.wikitaxi.org/delphi/doku.php/products/wikitaxi/index WikiTaxi]. It took me a while to find a suitable program for viewing Wiki XML dumps, so I thought I'd save some others the time. By 'suitable', I mean easy to use and without requiring a lot of extras before it will work (most I found require you to set up a server with a MySQL database and apache - I already meet those requirements on my desktop, but that almost defeats the purpose of downloading the wiki in the first place). This one however is completely portable - I can have it on external storage and use it on any computer I find myself needing to. --[[User:Tyranic-Moron|Tyranic-Moron]] 13:57, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

== Coincidence? ==

I got a quote that said: 
"You have been processed! Go forth, now, and edit!" 
--Savok 
right after creating this account... Is this a coincidence or a command? 
--[[User:Peewee|Peewee]] 20:02, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

:Coincidence. That's the end of a newbie-welcoming template that someone found funny enough to put in the [[Main Page/Quote|Quote list]], which delivers randomized quotes to the main page. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:49, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

::Both coincidence AND command. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:41, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

== Russian Interwiki ==
I've made a deal with the admin of the Russian wiki, we can both link to each other. So if you know Russian, you're welcome to add links to the bottom of pages to their equivalent Russian pages.
For example, on the [[Carp]] page, I have added [[ru:Карп]] - so there is now a link to its Russian counterpart in the left-side navigation bar, under the "In other languages" header. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 13:37, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
:Looks like the other wiki may be down/broken. I don't have a suggested action though. -- [[User:Vaevictus|Vaevictus]] 13:33, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
::I have made new russian wiki. URL: http://www.dfwk.ru. I do translation now. -- [[User:igoreklim|igoreklim]] 22:15, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

== Many Laughs ==
Congrats to whomever made the april's fool's day changes. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 04:34, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

:Agreed. I didn't think of doing anything myself so kudos for going in. Nobody changes it for the whole day, I'll revert any reverts. :) --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 08:56, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

== Navigation on bottom ==
Since recently (2 or 3 days) the navigation and search box are at the very bottom of every page (opera user). Can someone please fix this? --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 07:38, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

:It's at the bottom of the page for me too, and I'm using Firefox. [[User:Klada|Klada]] 11:43, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

::Confirm this is happening for me as well, Firefox 2.0.0.12 ubuntu 7.04. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 14:56, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

:::For what it's worth, ditto, and FF 2.0.0.12 Windows XP Home Edition Version 2002 Service Pack 2. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:07, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

::::Hah! Sorry, meant Senso. XD Good to have another confirmation regardless. Anyway, I went ahead and emailed him. It's weird how it just cropped up all of a sudden, hopefully something easily fixed. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 02:00, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

:It should be back to normal now, sorry for that. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 11:54, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

::No worries, looks good here. Thanks! --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 17:54, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
::: *[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] jumps up and rejoices*
:::: "[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] was pleased to have a mandate deadline met lately."? --[[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 06:13, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

== "American" English or Rest-Of-The-World English? ==
Just a minor question, while spell-checking articles, I've encountered a few discrepancies between the two, but I usually see the "rest of the world English" more. So what's the official rule here, assuming we're going for a constant? --[[User:Snoob|Snoob]] 08:40, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:Haha. You don't sound biased at all ;). I figure we can go one of two routes. We can either claim that DF is an american topic, since it's being made in america by an american and the wiki is on an american domain—or we can say DF is an international topic since people from all over are funding Toady. If it's an international topic, we might as well follow the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English wikipedia manual of style]. Wikipedia has no preference over the variant used, but there should be consistency in each article. The first user who makes an edit which disambiguates the variety being used in the article is considered the first major contributor and all subsequent edits to that article should use the same type of english. If in doubt, we have history pages. I think the reason you see british english more often in the wiki is because we've had a few editors who in their extreme modesty decided british english is superior and changed several of the american english articles over. I've noticed this happening on a few occasions. (please dont do that). [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:53, 7 March 2008 (EST)
::I second sticking with the Wikipedia's Manual of Style for language. And as a note, there isn't a "Rest of the World English." In fact, the language is documented to vary [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_accents_of_English_speakers|as much as the countries that speak it].
::So, how does the Namibian English variant sound to everyone? At least then most of us are at an equal starting point! :P --[[User:TarrVetus|TarrVetus]] 11:25, 7 March 2008 (EST)
::I made a pretty bad assumption there, I suppose. I was trying to not sound biased, but I suppose I accidentally let it creep in somewhere. I'll just leave the variations to you guys and stick to cleaning up actual typos then. :P --[[User:Snoob|Snoob]] 11:37, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:::Hehe. I can sympathize, Snoob. I've had this debate with myself in the past, though it was from the other side. --[[User:TarrVetus|TarrVetus]] 13:17, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:::This is a late reply, but I am an American in China. Here, English is classified either as American English or British English, and American English is widely preferred even though British English is taught to beginning students. I wouldn't say calling it "rest-of-the-world English" is very accurate. I would venture that many countries in Latin America also prefer American English, but what do it know.--[[User:RustyMcloon|Rusty Mcloon]] 01:16, 17 May 2008 (EDT)

== Version updates ==
There's a new version out today, so the version number and release date need changing. Unfortunately I have absolutely no idea how to do this as they appear to use some kind of function instead of being typed in. Somebody with the know-how fancy making the change? --[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 10:04, 24 February 2008 (EST)
:[[Template:current/version]]
:[[Template:current/lastupdate]]
:[[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:15, 24 February 2008 (EST)

== Quote randomization ==

VengefulDonut, if you want to randomize that for improved quality, you'll need to do it right: Many (most?) of the quotes in the quote archive are in an ARCHIVE: They are bad quotes never intended to be reused. Also, what do we do when we get new quotes? Do they get put in a database, not to be used till the RNG chooses? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 20:11, 7 February 2008 (EST)

:What would you like? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:36, 7 February 2008 (EST)

::I suggest that one quote is permanant, and the other quote refresh everytime we visit the page. So far, I noticed that even if I refresh the page, the same quotes stay. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 05:49, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::A new quote on the left, and a randomized archive quote on the right? As for the refesh: the template checks the time. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:35, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::What is the tick? Every few minutes? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 08:14, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::The template checks the time, but the time doesn't update because the server caches the page. It gets a new one whenever the server refreshes it; you can force this by editing the page or by clicking the preview button. Also, I could make it so that one of the quote boxes picks from the newest x quotes. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:43, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::Having a newer quote on the left and an archived one on the right sounds better than a permanent quote on either. PS. Might want to remove a few of them, like the 'palisade' quote. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 11:47, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::::The goal of the quote archive was to archive every single quote which ever got to the main page. If you want to thin out only the best quotes, I suggest you use a separate database for that. Even then, how "good" is a quote is very open to interpretation and taste. If I had to remove all the quotes I find bad or unfunny myself, I'd probably remove 80% of the present quotes in the archive. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:46, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::::Ok. The right quotebox now chooses from the last 10 quotes instead of from among all of them. If anyone feels like they want to prune out or fiddle with quotes, go for it. I think what I've set up should be pretty straightforward, but if you have questions I'll be glad to answer them. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:11, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::I added two new quotes (40, and 41), but only 40 is showing up at the moment, am I doing something wrong? --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 10:10, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

::::You did it exactly right. The left quote box randomly chooses between all quotes. The right quote box randomly chooses between the 10 newest. It will come up eventually. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:17, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

:::If possible can we implement a check to insure that the left quote and the right quote are not in fact the same quote? I suppose it wouldn't be a big deal with a small quote, however when it is large, such as the 7 line one I ran into today appearing in both boxes, it makes the page seem a bit crowded and symmetrical. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 14:51, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

::::We could do that, but the probability of identical quotes is 1⁄<totalquotenum>, so I don't think it's really needed.

== Requesting installation of ParserFunctions extension ==
It would be nice if the ParserFunctions[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions] extension was installed (#if, #expr, etc). It would be useful for having templates that exclude parts of it if no values are provided. Note: I cannot find a place for requesting extensions --[[User:Aygar|Aygar]] 13:00, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:ParserFunctions has been '''installed'''. I did a quick test and it works. Let me know if you run into problems. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 11:54, 22 January 2008 (EST)

== German Translation ==
I've got requests for either having a German wiki or Namespace. I'd like to have everybody's opinion on this. If you people think that having German (and maybe other languages eventually) translations on the main wiki is going to be annoying, tell me. I can also setup a new wiki on a subdomain (de.dwarffortresswiki.net for example). How would it be best organized? Should I use [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Languages LanguageTemplates]? Is there a need for other additional languages? --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 09:31, 17 January 2008 (EST)
:Since Dwarf Fortress is only available in English, if you can play the game, you can also read the wiki. I really don't think a German (or any other language) wiki version is worth the effort.--[[User:Siliziumleben|Siliziumleben]] 14:22, 18 January 2008 (EST)
::My oppinion also. This doesn't mean we should stop those enthusiam people though. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 13:06, 17 January 2008 (EST)
::There's a big difference between understanding a game interface and reading long and complex tutorials, descriptions, discussions etc. I know French people who play this game; they can understand the UI but they use the French wiki for reference. Also, if I decide to use a separate wiki/subdomain, this will be totally transparent to you. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 16:40, 17 January 2008 (EST)
:::My first language, the one I used since I'm born, is French. Yet, I way prefer this wiki over the french one. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 10:06, 18 January 2008 (EST)
::::I'm French too, you know. But when I offered to host a DF wiki, I didn't do it in French because I know English is widely used. But I'm still glad that someone else started a French wiki. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 22:58, 20 January 2008 (EST)
I don't see what harm could come from hosting a German, Japanese, and Russian wiki. It's not like it will interfere with the English one. Also, as a student of languages, I would love to read equivalent articles in German and Japanese. --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 22:01, 17 February 2008 (EST)
::I am german and while I can read english books like german ones, I have to agree that being able to use a UI and understanding the finer points in a tutorial etc. are two quite different things. I guess that if the bandwidth of the wiki is no burden on anyone, it could actually lead to an influx of new ideas and players, which is very important for a "community" game like DF. --[[User:Caiburn|Caiburn]] 20:44, 18 February 2008 (CET+1)

== Version of MediaWiki? ==
Sorry if this is completely the wrong place, but does anybody know which version of MediaWiki these pages uses?
Maybe that information could be included in the page About DwarfFortressWiki? --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 17:00, 17 December 2007 (EST)
:I think I found out. This page: [[Special:Version]] says the version is 1.10.1, which should mean that limited #for-loops are supported. I will delete these comments soonishly, but will let them stay for a while incase someone has comments --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 17:28, 17 December 2007 (EST)

== Combat Logs? ==
What about a section where people could post cool combat logs from adventurer mode. This would different from the "Stories" section, which is more prose. (This is 'cause I'd like to post the log of a battle I had with a particularly clumsy Giant, who slammed into a wall allowing me to stab him in the back of the head for the eventual win. Its no dragon-slaying tale, but I still think its good.) --[[User:Wahnsinniger|Wahnsinniger]] 11:59, 2 December 2007 (EST)

== Humor? ==
Any thoughts about possibly linking [[Main Page/Quote Archive]] page somewhere on the main page? Its an orphan at the moment and is pretty funny and relevant. [[User:Vanan|Vanan]] 15:19, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I'd like to be able to see that happen. New people coming here might get overwhelmed if we don't amuse them with some good humor here and there.--[[User:AlBorland|AlBorland]] 13:42, 20 November 2007 (EST)

:I second that. This second is adorned with hanging rings of Goshenite and menaces with spikes of Goshenite. - [[User:Laugurinn|Laugurinn]] 22:57, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Where does one stick new funny quotes? Namely, this:
 ""Thikut Atheludib, Marksdwarf cancels shooting at Archery Range: Interrupted by Groundhog pup" - What brave soldiers I have" [[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 18:45, 10 December 2007 (EST)
:That's not exactly funny, but [[Main_Page/Quote]]. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 00:43, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

== Demystify messages? ==
Probably against the spirit of 'losing is fun', but how about a page that explains smoe of the more cryptic messages, such as; 'job item misplaced' and 'job item lost or destroyed'? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:43, 8 November 2007 (EST)

Also, is there a suggestions pages? This probably isn't the best page to add ideas... [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:44, 8 November 2007 (EST)

== Importing old entries ==
What's the stance on importing entries from the old wiki for stuff like general item stats? Most of them are still correct (or nearly so) and it would be nice not to have to switch between this and the old wiki any more. I can add a disclaimer to them stating I pulled them from the archives if that's appropriate. --[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 15:07, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
:IMO (and I'm not admin or anything) it should be ok but only if you are 100% sure EVERYTHING is correct, and have verified it personally. I've edited at least one article someone copy-pasted with no changes that had old info in it so far and it makes me sad. --[[User:BurnedToast|BurnedToast]] 15:38, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
::Yes, I second this. Please be diligent if you are going to import old information. Even if you can't do it yourself, at least categorize it as needing verification so someone with the free time can. --[[User:EighenIndemnis|EighenIndemnis]] 15:37, 6 November 2007 (EST)
:You could use [[Template:Verify]] to indicate that something needs confirmation in the new version. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:47, 6 November 2007 (EST)

I have noticed an increase of pages in which only an old Wiki page is copied/pasted along with a warning that it was copied and thus may not be accurate. Is it just me or that's ''exactly'' what we didn't want to happen, and one of the reasons we started fresh with the new Wiki to begin with? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 01:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

== Basic Format ==
I think the [[Farming]] page is a good format for most of the key pages, perhaps the structure from the archive should be followed. --[[User:Infinity|Infinity]] 05:56, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
:Agreed, I've tried to copy this style on several pages, e.g. [[Gear Assembly]]. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 23:30, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
I would like to add a request for a 'build tree' of sorts. It would, for example, make figuring out how to get iron bars a whole lot less frustrating. --[[User:Dogcow|Dogcow]] 17:18, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
:Hello, I've added a whole page on the various metals you can make now. This is my first time editing a wiki so feel free to make corrections for me if you want, just leave me a message on the page letting me know where I went wrong. Also, since some Alloys involve smelting 3 bars of metal now, I have included a new template called Alloy3 to display these. I'm not sure on the colors though so have at it where I'm off :) --[[User:Chthon|Chthon]] 11:33, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:Would like to second the build-tree suggestion. New player here, and I use the wiki to reference items I require but do not know how to build. I may be a bit slow, but it took me half a year to figure out I needed a Weaponsmith to make new Iron Picks. The wiki page only mentions the Metalsmith's Forge, and it never occurred to me that Weaponsmiths use the same workshop, since a pick is physically both wood and iron. Having a description that says exactly what is needed to create an item would be very useful for new players. --[[User:T.D.|tuxdelux]] 15:15, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

== Change guide? ==
Was just thinking, perhaps one of the links (or sections) on the main page should be a guide to the major changes between last version and this one. Yes, a TON of stuff has changed, but a lot also has not, and a lot of the core concepts are the same... so I would imagine many of us who have played the previous version(s) would love a section where we can see a list of new basics we have to learn, along with links to those things' individual pages... like, z-axis (obviously), mechanisms, fluid dynamics, nobles, elevation/slope, farming... you get the idea. --[[User:Cliffjeff|Cliffjeff]] 11:43, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:Yea, I'm thinking not. Isn't the whole point of DF finding things out on your own? "Losing is Fun" and all that. Ok, so if we summarized all the changes, and someone (like me) didn't want to know we could not just not look at it right? What can I say? I'M WEAK! If we summarize the changes I will CONSUME it! (I'm only here because I still have another 6 hours of work before I can go home and try it!)
::Meanwhile, I'm lazy and stubborn and would love a consolidated list of only new things I need to know =p and I'm also trapped at work and unable to mess around in the game :( but if the whole point was finding out things on your own, why would we have a wiki? ;p --[[User:Cliffjeff|Cliffjeff]] 15:58, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:::I agree, I think the change guide is a good idea, and it would also help us direct our attention at the articles that are likely to need the most work. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:01, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
::::It ought not to be very hard to generate a basic change guide based on the official change notes, and then update it as the details are discovered. --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 16:26, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:::A change guide 'page' might be useful pointing out major differences but I think the style of the wiki should be aimed at new users who know nothing of previous versions. I think we should not compare old/vs new as a rule, but if necessary we should include comparisons at the bottom of a page as apposed to the main article. That is how I am writing my edits. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 23:26, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
::*The thing is, the whole idea of the wiki kind of goes against 'finding things out on your own'. If you want to be completely surprised by a game, don't read a wiki specifically intended to reveal all the details about it... sure, we do put warnings on the most spoily stuff, but at the end of the day this is a Wiki intended to document everything about Dwarf Fortress, so just about every page is going to be a spoiler to some degree. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] 03:12, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

To add my take on this subject... I think that this is a gigantic game, in some ways more complex then any of the Elder Scrolls game. I mean, in the ES games, you have weapons, armor and others... In this game you have an exceptionally large number of items of many different types and purposes... It's very difficult for newbies to fathom exactly what an item is used for. Without this Wiki, I think a lot of people would struggle with this game. [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:59, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

== Possible bugs ==

Hi, this is my first time writing to any wiki.

I am writing about possible bugs. I have seen, that some sections of this wiki contain information about bugs. I think I have found one, but don't where to put it, or whether it is already here. I am also sorry, if this isn't the right place. If so, please delete this entry.

Anyway, if your furniture stockpile isn't big enough, and you try to put furniture into a specific room,it is sometimes possible, that that furniture won't be put. Instead, it will be blinking forever. You can change it functioning (make bedroom, throne room...) but to be honest, I don't know if this item is actually there, or not.

== alternate site???? ==

there appears to be a very similar site at
http://dwarf.lendemaindeveille.com/index.php/Immigration
(not just that adress)
what is the diffrence???

That's the address which was originally used for the site, before Senso registered a separate domain for it (dwarffortresswiki.net). Both domains are valid and point to the same content, so they're interchangeable. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 20:59, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

== Quotes ==

Just for the record, does anybody mind if I put a link to the [[Main Page/Quote Archive]] page on the front page? [[User:Shabang50|Shabang50]] 12:58, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

== Shutting down the archive ==

In about two weeks, I will shutdown the read-only archive (http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net) as I believe we've been using the current versions long enough. I'm also looking at ways to reduce the server load, disk space used and bandwidth consumed. So there. If articles were not ported to the current wiki, please do ASAP. If you have objections, please speak now. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 12:33, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

:Regarding outright deletion: I'd prefer you didn't. Is there at least a way to preseve it in some downloadable format? The old version of the game was interesting in its intrinsic danger, and besides that, I have a succession game using that version. I think a downloadble, locally-running copy would be a good idea.--[[User:Dadamh|Dadamh]] 13:19, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

::Mediawiki allows for database dumps to be made. Any chance you could do this? I am interested in this content. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki - you'd just follow the procedures for an xml dump and make the resulting files available for a limited time. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 17:14, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

== PSA ==

While the intention is great, the main page isn't the place to post it.
It should be added to the editing/creating dialog, probably so that it appears under any previews, and above the actual editing box. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 16:53, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

:Gladly - just tell me how to do it without the required permissions. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 19:50, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

::It was my intention that you would bring it up to Senso to do it. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 22:35, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

:::Agreed, putting editing pet peeves at the top of the main page is overkill. Ask Senso to make the changes Edward suggests.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:34, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

:Frankly, I think it's important enough, and unknown enough, that it should stay on the front page. -- [[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 20:58, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

::If it does stay on the main page, professionalize it a bit more and remove the sigs. My vote's for taking it down anyways. I almost hit revert as a "knee-jerk response to vandalism". The main page article is not a place to air your grievances about how people edit. --[[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 06:02, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

:::If it could be moved to the Editing/Creating page, then I wouldn't object to moving it off the main page. But I'm on several wikis, and not one of them lists the sign-off info anywhere that's easy or intuitive to discover. [[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 20:06, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

::::It can be, it just needs edit permissions on the host. While it looks a tad better now (thanks RF), it's still entirely out of place. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:34, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

::::This is a very jarring thing to see on the main page. It is completely out of place and affects the first impression people get when they see the wiki. It just makes us look bad. Put the issue on Senso's talk page and he is likely to add it to the editing dialog, but it should be taken down first. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:34, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

::::I have removed the PSA under the premise that changes to the main page are wrong until proven right, rather than the other way around. We can return it after agreement has been reached regarding its presence. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 23:44, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

:I'll mess with the code today and include such a warning directly on the Editing template. I'm also tired of people not using signatures. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:59, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

== Lets Download Dwarf Fortress! ==

Well you can't, and that's the issue. Are there any plans on changing the main page's link to a mirror? Since this wiki comes in second on Google only to the official Bay 12 homepage, it'd make sense for there to be a working download for potential players. [[User:Raithah|Raithah]] 01:05, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

: I added the links for mirrors 2-4 to the downtime notice. "Mirror" 1 is B12G itself. - [[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 01:15, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
::Per my PM to FunnyMan, is there a mirror link available for the Mac version? These are just the Windows version. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 21:35, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
::Though for obvious reasons I am unable to vouch for it's integrity (ie. infected by virus, spyware, etc.), [http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/Dwarf-Fortress.shtml|Softpedia] has a mirror of the most recent version, OS X edition. [[User:Raithah|Raithah]] 00:33, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
:::The download link is just the Bay12 site again, which is down, however Funnyman has just added a Mac download mirror link to the main page. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 16:26, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

== ETA? ==

I miss Bay 12 Games! Does anyone have any idea when we should be getting it back? I just want to know if I should stop constantly clicking my bookmark and sit back and wait for a few weeks. --[[User:Zoodle|Zoodle]] 16:23, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

: I think it's safe to say that since we can't make donations to Toady while the site's down, it'll be back up pretty soon. --[[User:Fossaman|Fossaman]] 13:58, 27 October 2008 (PDT)
::You can make donations: if you go to an archived version of the page, the paypal buttons still work since paypal didn't crash. According to Toady on at least two occasions, the site was supposed to be back up today (monday). But that doesn't seem to be happening. It should happen soon, though. --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 22:23, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

::Looks like the main site just came back up. The forums are still not back up yet, though I imagine they will be within the next few hours. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 08:32, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Spamreport

2008-10-10T11:18:18Z

Janus: /* Use this page to notify the admin of any spamming account. */

Designation flags in DF memory

2008-10-08T01:20:38Z

Janus: a bit in Soil/Rock Layer ID which wasn't set in the other examples on this page

00100000001010001000001000000000 <- obsidian, far away from magma flow
00100000001001101000001000000000 <- obsidian, near magma flow
11100000001001101000001000000000 <- obsidian, near magma flow
00100000001010101000000000000000 <- obsidian, near magma flow
00100000001010001000000000000000 <- obsidian, next to magma flow
11100000001001101000000000000000 <- obsidian, next to magma flow
00100000001001101000000000000000 <- obsidian, next to magma flow
00100100001010010100000000000111 <- obsidian, next to magma flow
11100100001001110100000000000111 <- obsidian, next to magma flow
00000000000010101000000000000000 <- damp loam wall, next to murky pool
00000000000100001000000000000000 <- damp loam wall, next to murky pool
00000000000000101000000000000000 <- damp loam wall, next to murky pool
00000000000011001000000000000000 <- damp loam wall, next to murky pool
11000000000001101000000000000000 <- damp loam wall, next to murky pool
11000000000001101000001000000000 <- undiscovered loam wall, close to murky pool
00000000000011001000001000000000 <- undiscovered loam
00000000000010010100110000000000 <- furrowed silt loam ground, empty space
11000100000011110100000000000111 <- channel with 7/7 water
11000100000011110100000000000110 <- murky pool, 6/7
11000100000010010100000000000110 <- murky pool, 6/7
11000100000010010100000000000111 <- murky pool, 7/7
11000100000011110100000000000111 <- murky pool, 7/7
11000100000010010100000000000111 <- murky pool, 7/7
11000100000010110100000000000111 <- murky pool, 7/7
11000100000000110100000000000111 <- murky pool, 7/7
11000100000001110100000000000111 <- murky pool, 7/7
00100100001010010100000000000111 <- open space, lava 7/7
00100100001001110100000000000111 <- open space, lava 7/7
11100100001001110100000000000111 <- open space, lava 7/7
00100100001010110100000000000111 <- open space, lava 7/7
00000000000010101001000000010000 <- rough-hewn claystone wall, desig. for mining
00000000000010101001000000110000 <- rough-hewn claystone wall, desig. for channeling
00000000000010101001000001100000 <- rough-hewn claystone wall, desig. for upward stairs
00000000000010101001000000100000 <- rough-hewn claystone wall, desig. for up/down stairs
00000000000010101001000001000000 <- rough-hewn claystone wall, desig. for up ramp
00000000000010101001000001010000 <- rough-hewn claystone wall, desig. for down stairs
00000000000010101001000010000000 <- rough-hewn claystone wall, desig. for smooth stones
00000000000000110101000000000000 <- chestnut tree
00000000000000110101000000010000 <- chestnut tree, designated for chopping
00000000000000110101000000000000 <- shrub
00000000000000110101000000010000 <- shrub, designated for gathering
^ ^ ^ |^^^
warm? warm? Hidden|Flow Size
^ ^^^^
liquid Soil/Rock Layer ID
^ ^^^^
Light Desig. for activities (mining/shrubbing/stairing/etc.)
^
Sub-terr.
^
Outside
^^^^
Unknown ID
^
thought to be damp, but isn't
^
Mossy

//DWARF/DUAL MODE DESIGNATIONS
DESIGNATION_LIQUID_AMOUNT_BIT1 BIT1 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_LIQUID_AMOUNT_BIT2 BIT2 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_LIQUID_AMOUNT_BIT3 BIT3 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_PILE BIT4
DESIGNATION_DIG_BIT1 BIT5
DESIGNATION_DIG_BIT2 BIT6
DESIGNATION_DIG_BIT3 BIT7
DESIGNATION_DETAIL BIT8
DESIGNATION_DETAIL_EVENT BIT9
DESIGNATION_HIDDEN BIT10 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_MATGLOSS_BIT1 BIT11 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_MATGLOSS_BIT2 BIT12 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_MATGLOSS_BIT3 BIT13 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_MATGLOSS_BIT4 BIT14 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_OPEN_TO_SUN BIT15 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_SUBTERRANEAN BIT16 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_SKY_VIEW BIT17 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_BIOME_BIT1 BIT18 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_BIOME_BIT2 BIT19 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_BIOME_BIT3 BIT20 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_BIOME_BIT4 BIT21 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_LIQUID_TYPE_BIT1 BIT22 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_WATER_TABLE BIT23 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_RAINED BIT24 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_TRAFFIC_BIT1 BIT25 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_TRAFFIC_BIT2 BIT26 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_FLOW_FORBID BIT27 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_LIQUID_STATIC BIT28 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_MOSS BIT29 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_FEATURE_PRESENT BIT30 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_LIQUID_CHARACTER_BIT1 BIT31 //DUAL MODE
DESIGNATION_LIQUID_CHARACTER_BIT2 BIT32 //DUAL MODE

//ADVENTURE DESIGNATIONS
//1-3 DUAL USED
DESIGNATION_LIT BIT4
DESIGNATION_VISIBLE BIT5
DESIGNATION_MEM_BUILDING BIT6
DESIGNATION_MEM_ITEM BIT7
DESIGNATION_MEM_MONSTER BIT8
DESIGNATION_ORIGINALCAVE BIT9
//10-32 DUAL USED

[[Category:Hacking]]

40d Talk:Immigration

2008-09-23T17:11:29Z

Janus: /* "Your fortress attracted no migrants this season." */

==Multiple civs==
What information do we have about the relationship between immigration rate and the number of dwarven civs? Is there info? Is there a relation? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 18:35, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

==Comments regarding new version==
Don't know how much of this info is still valid. For example, the line "Notably, the incredibly useful Manager requires at least twenty dwarves." is a hold-over from the previous wiki. In fact, most of the noble-related info is outdated.
I'm going to edit out anything that I ''know'' to be wrong. Get rid of the wrong stuff, and we can start getting correct stuff in instead.[[User:Thexor|Thexor]] 19:07, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:The validation abilities of the manager still only appear after you have 20 dwarfs. But you can access the screen before that happens. Don't know if this validation has any additional effect or if the managers even work before that.--[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 16:58, 8 November 2007 (EST)

::Yes, the manager will work just fine when you have less than 20 dwarfs. He will need an office if you have more than 20 dwarfs.--[[User:Tomato|Tomato]] 16:13, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

==migration vs location on world map==
I have a nagging sense from playing a year or two in a few different areas that the number of migrants is a bit more random now. I have one decently wealthy young outpost located far from it's civilization on the map which has gotten very few immigrants in the first two years. Perhaps with groups now moving on the overall map, it is more important to be close to your civilization's area so immigrant groups arrive more quickly and are less likely to get ambushed on the way? Pure conjecture on my part and not backed by any real evidence, but an interesting idea nonetheless. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 16:15, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Well, my first throw-away fortress got gigantic immigration crowds every single season. Then I abandoned, rerolled the world, and started a new fortress. It produces worlds more wealth than my first fortress, but I have only gotten one immigration wave on the second Spring, bringing my numbers to 24. I then received my second immigration on the start of the third Spring, bringing me up to 48 dwarves. I was very worried up until I got that first wave in the spring... I almost thought I was going to have to scrap the fortress and start again. For reference, I receive elf, human, and dwarf traders. No sieges yet. I have no deaths so far. It would seem that the MAXIMUM immigration amount is 24 for one season. [[User:FFLaguna|FFLaguna]] 23:33, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

::I've gotten 25 immigrants in one wave, but one of these was a child, which may ironically go into the 'pets' category rather than 'dwarf' category. Do children have parents when they come with immigrants? -Gotthard
::: I've had a family of four come in one wave-Husband and Wife and 2 children. The children were very sad when their mother got killed by a goblin. I also had a dwarf born from parents in my first immigration wave. Has anyone every had two dwarfs marry? Not arrive married but get married at your fort. Just wondering if it's possible. --[[User:Angus|Angus]] 18:22, 17 February 2008 (EST)
::::With this latest version release (0.27.176.38a), dwarves can indeed marry each other at your fortress. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 04:19, 18 February 2008 (EST)

::Update: On the summer of my third year, I finally received some migrants! Woooo. I received about 12 immigrants. [[User:FFLaguna|FFLaguna]] 01:35, 4 November 2007 (EDT)

::Happend to me sometimes to, you have to wait for immigrants sometimes. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 16:58, 8 November 2007 (EST)
==clarification on editing ini file==
One point of conflict in this article. It states that once the immigration limit is reached normal immigration is ceased. It then encourages a method of editing the init file to curb immigration. It says to just reedit it when you want more dwarfs. In my findings when I use this tactic as soon as my limit is hit I get no more dwarfs, even after reediting the init file to a higher number.

The section where it says "A '''migrant''' is a member of a wave of immigration." is really obvious and there's no other information there. I think it should be removed, or at least made part of the general information. --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]]

--[[User:Angus|Angus]] 18:17, 17 February 2008 (EST)
==Talk Page from Migrant==
This page should be merged with the page on immigration. [[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 01:47, 23 November 2007 (EST)
:Agreed, and done --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 08:28, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

I felt this edited out info is worth keeping here as hint for further investigations.

=== Immigration Triggers ===

Migrants appear in waves when the total wealth of the fortress (view by hitting 'Z') reaches:

* 5,000
* 10,000
* 100,000
* 140,000
* 165,000 (?)
* 300,000
* 340,000

== Equipment ==

(This should probably go on the Migrant talk page, but this page seems to be busier)

Will an immigrant always arrive with the necessary equipment to perform his skills? ie, will a hunter always arrive with a crossbow, armour and bolts? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:08, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:nope, sometimes you get an immigrant who doesn't have the right equipment. (Had woodworkers with carpentry and wood cutting skills withouth an axe). --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 07:46, 9 November 2007 (EST)

::I think it depends a bit on how multi-skilled they are: if he had been a [[woodcutter]] he would have had an axe but as he was a woodworker... well, carpenters need a workshop not an axe.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 21:21, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

== Combat Immigrants ==

I have yet to have any of my immigrants to show up as military types, even though I've at least produced crossbows in every fort I've run so far. Had one fort reach it's 6th year and have crafted every type of weapon available without a single dwarf showing up with combat skills. Anyone verify that this is still true? --[[User:TheUbie|TheUbie]] 04:49, 19 November 2007 (EST)

You were just unlucky. I have forged some hammers and axes and a hammer and a axe soldier showed up at my fort [[Doler 12]], 18:11 19 November 2007 (GMT+1)

:Did you maybe create a military and train dwarves in hammers and axes? --[[User:Geekwad|Geekwad]] 14:19, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:: The one and only military migrant (a Marksdwarf) I got so far came after I had someone advance to Champion level. Is this just a coincidence or have other people noticed this? --[[User:Angus|Angus]] 23:44, 19 February 2008 (EST)
:::No. I made crossbows and got marksdwarves immigrants and my best soldier was a novice crossbowman. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 06:55, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

== Immigration Rate ==

Has anyone noticed there seems to be a logarithmic curve associated with immigration? In the beginning, it doesn't matter what I do to keep my wealth down (including only building 7 beds and a small wooden 'shack' to put them above ground, and not mining out any squares) I seem to get a ton of immigrants. However, going from 1.1M to 1.4M resulted in only 5 immigrants or so the whole year. Either there might be a 'minimum' baseline for forts (and 7 isn't it, seems closer to 25-40 or so, doesn't matter what your wealth is you will grow to that) or it is logarithmic. I don't think it is related to deaths in my large fortress, I've had one elite marksdwarf die to a hydra, and 6-7 more (in 6 years) to goblins, moods, etc. I don't have the economy, perhaps this slows it down around 100? --Gotthard 11:18, 10 December 2007 (EST)
:Heh, I'm about to test that: my first winter killed six of my dwarves so we'll see how many migrants I get. I'm currently outnumbered by dogs about 10:1... unfortunately I also lost my only mare so I've got two male horses, may as well kill both of them as soon as I need a quick snack! [[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 01:05, 11 January 2008 (EST)

== Military immigrants without weapons ==

I started a game with just one dwarf. The first immigration wave, in the next spring, I got a recruit as one of my immigrants. This recruit had NO military skills, and no armor or weapons. What confuses me is that I had never created any weapons. The only remotely military thing I ever made was a single leather armor. If it matters, I hadn't created hardly anything else before that point either--a bed, basic furniture, less than ten stone crafts, no cooking, and that armor. Anyone else seen this? It throws a kink into the "weapons bring military dwarves" thing. Oh, and I also have pits as a feature in this map if it matters (as yet unrevealed). --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 09:28, 12 January 2008 (EST)
: Did the recruit have any skills? Otherwise he's basically the same as a peasant. How many dwarfs were in your military at the time. That might also have been a factor. --[[User:Angus|Angus]] 23:47, 19 February 2008 (EST)

== Seasons and Immigration ==

I've had immigrants arrive in spring, summer and fall but never winter. Has anyone had immigrants arrive in winter? Or does whether immigrants arrive in winter depend on your fort's climate? [[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 22:45, 29 January 2008 (EST)
: I just had a group of dwarves migrate during winter right after reading this. I am in a warm climate though. What was strange was in the following Summer I had another wave of migrants. Two in one year. --[[User:Angus|Angus]] 23:49, 19 February 2008 (EST)
::Multiple waves of immigration isn't unusual, I often get migrants in both autumn AND spring.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 21:19, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

I just had an immigrant wave arrive mid-summer in my first year. 6th Malachite, to be specific.--[[User:Mabmoro|mabmoro]] 15:07, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

== Headline text ==

Currently, my record is 32 dwarfs, 8 kids and pets. anybody else beaten that?
--[[User:Shabang50|Shabang50]] 07:36, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

:Well, if you are sure of that, you should add it to the article. While most people seem to get smth like 20 to 25 ( my max being 19+pets), no one knows if ther's a limit and how high it is, so.. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 08:52, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

::i regularly get 24 exactly, but on a few cases ive gotten more, most being 28, with lots of kids -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 14:28, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

== Strange stuff ==

Once I had a leatherworker who came onto the map and as soon as he appeared, there was a message
'dwarf has been possessed'
Strange, has this happenedto any once? Was he possessed before he came to my Fortress? --[[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 16:20, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

:That once happened to someone in the 2D version... tis quite simple. When a fey mood occurs, a random dwarf gets it. As it so happened, this dwarf had recently immigrated to your fortress. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 18:37, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

::Interesting, can't say I've come across that particular bug, although I did come across an item with no name! It was just called a "Large ." --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 04:20, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

:::It isn't a bug. The fey immigrant, not the "Large ." --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:10, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

== Lone Dwarf ==

"A migrant has arrived."
For some reason I only got one migrant this time! Weird! --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 09:28, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

== Migrant caps ==

The cap is set in my init.txt file as 200, but in one of my fortresses I got well over 200 (something like 225). Is there anything that could cause this other than a straight-up glitch? --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 23:04, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

:The population cap is only checked to see if another migrant wave is allowed. It is entirely possible, often likely, that the actual number of migrants in the wave pushes the population over the value set. IIRC, pregnancies will also bypass the cap. The softness of this limit is a well known... feature... :) --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 00:13, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

== Migrant skills ==

Does the amount of workshops you have for a skill affect how many immigrants have that skill? I've had no dyer's shop for a really long time, and I notice I have only one dyer, whereas I have plenty of dwarves with every other skill. --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 21:19, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
: I don't think so, because I always get hordes of dyers, cheese makers, and woodburners, even when I don't have any of the appropriate workshops. I really miss the days of getting miners, siege operators, growers, and masons.--[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 16:59, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

== "Your fortress attracted no migrants this season." ==

I'm playing a Haunted fortress on a volcano for the first time, and I got this message in my first summer. It seemed odd because I almost never get migrants during the first summer, but this is the first time that fact was announced. Is this a tweak in the new version (181.40c), which I just downloaded today, or is it because I'm in a haunted map? I got the message again in the fall. --[[User:Ookpik|Ookpik]] 17:05, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
:lots of people dying discourages immigration, as well as certain import/export/mining and immigration map factors, as far as i can tell.--[[User:Eerr|Eerr]] 21:04, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
:Id say its a new feature of the game, since it didn't occur before that version.--[[User:Mabmoro|mabmoro]] 15:08, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
::I noticed an extension of this- I got a message just now, all in red, saying "Migrants refused to journey to such a dangerous fortress this season." Ive been raided near constantly by goblins over the last year of this game, so maybe that influences immigrants now? .--[[User:Mabmoro|mabmoro]] 13:47, 22 September 2008 (EDT)
:::I'd imagine it's due to the number of recent deaths, specifically. [[Immigration#How_can_I_curb_immigration.3F|That's covered in the article]]. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 13:11, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Strange mood

2008-09-10T19:36:49Z

Janus: /* Engineer taken by secretive mood, and creates... */

Does the new version still have the strange mood? It wouldnt be complete without it!

:It still exists, I've had it happen several times now, I went to the archive wiki and copy/pasted the old page.

::Isnt that why the wiki was nuked? To make sure that no old info lingers? Ill put some "verify" in there, I dont think that the bold text is enough for users to understand that some of this may no longer apply. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 06:03, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::I agree. Although moods themselves don't seem to have been changed in this version, the changes to the stones/ores that they use means that some of the information in this article is no longer true. I'll have a go at cleaning it up when I have the proper time for it, but this wiki definitely needs a 'no copypasting from the archives' rule to avoid screwups like this. If people are going to copypaste old stuff, then it is downright irresponsible of them not to verify the accuracy of the information before committing it to the wiki. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]]

I know, I was a huge fan of that little strange aspect of the old one.

I need my dwarfs to make more swordfish bone swords, and i still need some glass weapons/armor

The moods seem to have changed. One of my dwarfs went fey, made a nice hematite mug, and is now a legendary... Engraver. Very wierd, he also had no stoneworking or other craftdwarf skills. But he was a competent mason. This was also my fifth dwarf who took the same craftworkshop, so it's a bit strange. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 17:36, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Six fey dwarf, all took the craftdwarfshop, now my bowyer took one. Think it might be a bug. Is the 15 artifacts limit still in? --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:34, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:: Whohoo my second legendary engraver made a gold mug. My bowyer became a legendary engraver. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:40, 8 November 2007 (EST)
::: Scratch all that, one of my woodworkers just used a carpenters shop. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 07:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:Have you marked all statements in the article that risks being falsified with <nowiki>{{verify}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 19:41, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Hey, I am getting a dwarf who wants "raw...crystal". Help? -- [[User:Bovinepro|Bovinepro]]
:Probably wants raw crystal glass. I had a dwarf ask for "raw...green", they wanted raw green glass. Looks like Toady might have moved the glass demands out of the "rough...color" category. [[User:Iddq?|Iddq?]]

About the engravers taking over craftdwarf's shops and becoming legendary engravers afterwards is quite true. I recently got a bunch of immigrants, and the engraver that came with them fell into a strange mood before even crossing the bridge on my river. He took over a craftdwarf's workshop and made a basalt scepter, and now he's legendary level in engraving. So yeah, perfect laboratory conditions, he was 100% engraver when he went into his mood and came out a legendary engraver. --[[User:Zhang5|Zhang5]] 17:07, 12 November 2007 (EST)

It seems that no craft skill is required. I just had a peasant go into a strange mood. His skills were: competent marksdwarf; novice wrestler; novice armor wearer. He grabbed a craftsdwarf's workshop and 10 items (3xFelsite, Schorls, Tigereyes, Red Beryls, Giant cave swallow leather, Grizzly Bear Leather, Rough harlequin opals and Ash logs -- guess he has expensive taste?) and churned out an idol in relatively short order. This is my 9th successful mood in this fortress, and I've seen requests for between 3 and 10 items, personally. Since they seem to be increasing in complexity, I've either hit the item cap, or I'm about to break ten :) [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 16:34, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:This is consistent with older versions. Moody peasants would become crafters, and 10 items was the cap. The minimum was 1 item -- generally when constructing a "perfect gem".--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:55, 19 November 2007 (EST)

I had a miner go into a strange mood, take over a mason's workshop, and make a something that got him up to legendary miner status. In my current fort, I have had 6 artifacts made, 2 of which were actual moods and 5 of which were possessions (I can add, one of them failed and the dwarf became a babbling wreck). My dwarves love to use only one item: an oak door (1 item), an olivine coffin (2 items), a turtle shell mask (1 item and is my cheapest artifiact at 3600), a diorite amulet (3 items), and a perfect jelly opal (1 item). --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 18:47, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Where to add the info that in my game (.33c) a miner took over a mason's workshop, became legendary miner and then held the artifact in his right hand instead of a pick, which became 'hauled', then droped the pick and then took the pick with his left hand? He can mine after all these. While holding a 667 weight units cabinet in his right hand. --[[User:Another|Another]] 10:07, 1 December 2007 (EST)

I had dwarf Miller, profecienty Grower who had Fey Mood, and he became a Legendary Mason ....
Is it normal ? [[user:Feydreva|Feydreva]]

One of my dwarves has become possessed and is demanding cloth, bones and stone, which I have plenty of. But he refuses to go fetch them. Is there something I'm doing wrong?—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Patarak|Patarak]] ([[User talk:Patarak|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Patarak|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}
: They want either silk or fiber cloth. Make sure you have both! [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 03:40, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Aargh! One of my dwarves went secretive and is demanding a huge list of stuff. He seems to be demanding two types of stone because the "sketches quarry" message stays on twice as long as the others. I have (and he has gathered) flint: is there any way to tell what kind of stone he wants? --[[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 011:55, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I had a Glassmaker that sat around when I had a lot of Magma Glass Furnaces, but then decided to get going when I made a regular Glass Furnace. Seems like they will only use a specific kind. Not sure yet if it's random. Might be they won't take the Magma Glass Furnace in version 38a. Can anyone verify? --[[User:Afbee|Afbee]] 05:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

: My Glassmaker successfully used Magma Glass Furnace in a fey mood. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 07:54, 24 February 2008 (EST)

==Maximum number of artifacts==
Well, I just got my umpteenth mood, and it resulted in the 16th successfully created artifact.(33b) So that 15 cap thing is clearly wrong. As it happens, this single artifact is worth 754,800, and is an adamantine spear decorated with, among other things, adamantine. For the record, in case this data is important to someone tabulating number of ingredients, my moods in order created the following objects using the corresponding number of ingredients: (Flute, 4; Mechanism, 4; Spear, 3; Millstone, 6; Ring, 8; Chest, 7; Cape, 7; Ring, 9; Statue, 8; Idol, 10; earring, 8; Buckler, 8; Table, 3; Mechanism, 10; Bracelet, 5; and Spear, 8). [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:54, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Do fell/macabre moods still exist? I haven't seen any for quite a few versions. It'd be nice to have that verified.—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rabek|Rabek]] ([[User talk:Rabek|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rabek|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}

== clarification on "trade" skills ==

Are trade skills all the skills that produce items with some level of quality? Mainly I want to know if dyer is a trade skill. And how does that work with miner? I didn't think miner was a trade skill. Maybe someone who knows more than me could clarify in the wiki.
I just got my first artifact. It's worth 2400. The dwarf took one log and made a scepter. -[[User:Radtse|Radtse]]

:I don't know exactly, we should make a list of the skills we know are not trade skills. I'll start: my brewer/grower once got a strange mood and made a wood item and gained woodcrafting skill. Let's try to only add to the list when we have experienced a moody dwarf with that skill only.--[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 19:36, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::I'm adding Weaver and Furnace Operator to this list, since they're on the wiki. I haven't seen them myself, but I'm assuming someone else has. Knowing that Furnace Operator is a "fey-able" skill will be quite helpful.-[[User:Radtse|Radtse]] 18:28, 29 December 2007 (EST)

:::Where's cooking fit in? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 20:09, 6 January 2008 (EST)

List of non-trade skills:

* [[Brewer]]
* [[Grower]]
* [[Miller]]
* [[Wood Cutter]]

Skills that may be used and gained by dwarves with no trade skills:

* [[Wood crafter]]
* [[Stone crafter]]

Skills that use a different skill(See list above), but give correct skill:

* [[Miner]]
* [[Engraver]]
* [[Furnace Operator]]
* [[Weaver]]

:::For the record, i can confirm both Furnace Operator and Weaver, since no one else has commented to verify them thus far. (The weaver actually surprised me when it happened). --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:43, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:::I can confirm that a Miner will claim a Mason's shop, and produce a stone item, even with no Mason skill at all. It works just like the wiki says. --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 23:47, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

:::And I can confirm that Wood Cutter does not contribute -- I had a Novice Glassmaker/No Prefix Wood Cutter take a glass furnace. [[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]] 13:48, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

== mood condition ==
The 20 dwarves / no crazy stuff has been found while looking at the binary of v0.27.169.33d, might be different now, but i don't think so. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 15:08, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Regarding the calulations for required maximum existing artifacts (items/200 and dugout/(48*48)) wouldn't it make more sense to either use the squared symbol, or the actual result of that square (which was the original number actually discovered/revealed I believe)? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:17, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:<sup>2</sup> --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 21:28, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

:20 dorf must be still there. I've made low-population fort and I had no mood for ~8 years (from start). I'm sure that I've digged at least 2700 tiles and created at least 300 items. I will test if raising population to 20 will cause moods. I think that 20 dwarf limit should be mentioned even if it's not confirmed. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 18:30, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

== Random Workshop Seizure ==

I just had a gem cutter seize a carpenter's workshop and make a perfect gem; upon completion I had a worthless Legendary dwarf and a new jeweler's workshop, so I guess that's still in from the previous version. I've removed the verify in the article. [[User:Tacroy|Tacroy]] 16:51, 9 January 2008 (EST)

:nonsense. Should be a bigger chance of making ZOMG high-quality gem crafts now ;) --[[User:Frostedfire|Frostedfire]] 07:35, 18 February 2008 (EST)

::More to the point, if you don't like the profession your dwarf has Legendary in...draft for the stats! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:16, 18 February 2008 (EST)

== forbidden items ==

Do moody dwarfs use forbidden items? Will they demand forbid items? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 02:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

:I don't know whether moody dwarves will use forbidden items (my guess would be they won't). But they don't choose the demands based on what is on the map, they can and do demand things you don't have. So it's safe to assume forbidding doesn't prevent dwarves from demanding the forbidden kind of item. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 16:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

::Forbidden items are not used. Similarly, if your mooder slipped in e.g. an iron bar when you wanted him to use a platinum bar, you can forbid AND dump the item to stop him from using it. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 16:35, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

== Impossible Requests? ==
Will dwarves try to use items that you just don't have access to? I had a dwarf asking for silk when I haven't imported any and I'm pretty sure there isn't a giant spider anywhere. Also asking for "rocks" when I have mined at least one of each type of rock that is visible (requiring rocks from unmined areas seem pretty harsh). Also a request for "metal bars" when I have smeltered at least one of each ore I have found and made at least one of each possible alloy. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 23:27, 26 February 2008 (EST)
:Yeah, impossible stuff is all my dwarves ever want. :-P Right now mine appears to want stone I don't have, and no traders have come by with any stone.... So my guys are frantically mining in various directions.... [[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 13:59, 7 March 2008 (EST)

::As far as i can tell they never request anything it is truly impossible for you to get. Available by trade seems to imply possible for the game engine though. Too bad if its the start of winter (which is when all my moods which require things I don't have and can't produce happen, of course). But if there's no sand on your map at all you will not be asked for glass, since you can't trade for sand. (If there's 5 tiles of sand under that underground lake you haven't found yet... sucks to be you - my first fortress lost 3 dwarves to this). So yes, requiring things present on the map that you haven't found yet appears to be possible and routine. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:48, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

== Procastinator! ==

I just had a moody dwarf demand bones, wood, rocks, and cloth.

He got the rocks okay, and then did nothing for ages. Then, as soon as the fire imp corpse rotted away, he ran down and got the bones, then ran over to my wood stockpile and got a piece of wood...

Do they need to get their ingredients in order now?--[[User:Shadow archmagi|Shadow archmagi]] 06:28, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:i think so, not that it matters, he wont start unless he has ALL the ingridents.

== gems ==
My moody dwarf asked for 2 kinds of rough gems, but i had cut all rough ones at that point. So i "printed out" all layers and started checking for leftover gems in the walls. Guess what, he picked the first 2 kinds i mined. So either

* random/pure luck (don't think so)
* they only ask what they "see"
* they only ask what is somehow on the map
* or they might even adapt somewhat to availability, but i doubt that. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 15:59, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

:I believe, but don't know for sure, that sometimes they want specific items and sometimes they just want anything in a category of items, such as any rough gems in this case. It used to work that way in the 2d version, didn't it? --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 12:23, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
::Confirming behaviour that BahamutZERO sees. Dwarves will '''always''' grab the closest object that falls under the category unless he is requesting a specific metal, specific silk, or specific plant fiber cloth. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:25, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Just standing around? ==

I have a dwarf who was possessed, but won't leave the main hall. He's also a novice in everything, but to be safe I've already cleared the shops. It's winter of my first year, but somehow I've already had 2 waves of immigrants. Back to the point, I'm afraid he's going to wait out the mood and go berserk. Help?
--[[User:Ilmmad|Ilmmad]] 20:00, 6 March 2008 (EST)
:Well, make sure u ve got one workshop of every possible kind available - there are however quite a few u dont need to build, its covered in the article. Check for locked doors or otherwise blocked access (bridges, channels, statues..) Dont forget furnaces, glass and magma. Check with 'q' if all workshops are completely build. If it doesnt help consider building workshops not related to his skills, or more "exotic" ones, like Ashery or Alchemist. No one can guarantee that Toady didnt have some new fun ideas ;) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:59, 6 March 2008 (EST)

== stark raving suicide ==

My mechanic wanted silk cloth, which I didn't have, and eventually gone insane ("stark raving mad" to be precise).
Seconds after that I had message that he died in heat (I had artificial magma pool nearby).
He probably jumped into the pool like in melancholy. Main article states that only melancholic dwarves kill themselves in such way.
Could anyone confirm that mad ones do that too, and this wasn't just an accident/bug? [[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 16:59, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

:Perhaps it ''was'' an accident -- I seem to recall that "stark raving mad" ones wander around at random. Perhaps it wandered into the lava. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 18:30, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

== Glassmaker with no glass ==

I had an immigrant glassworker get a mood, seize a glass workshop, and created an artifact made entirely of gemstones. No glass involved or asked for. (No sand on the map, anyway.) He turned into a Legendary Glassworker, despite having never made a glass anything.

== Rewrite ==

I think I got most of the old information and then some into the new article. Please make any necessary modifications. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 01:22, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

== Silk Cloth ==

I had a dwarf demand silk cloth, but he refused to use my giant cave spider silk cloth. I didn't have any regular cave spider silk cloth. To verify that the silk was the problem, I used Companion to change the silk demand to any stone, and he immediately collected the rest of the materials and constructed the artifact.
Can anyone else confirm that giant cave spider silk cloth does '''not''' count as silk cloth? --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:55, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:No, I'm pretty sure I can't. I've seen a dwarf grab GCS silk. Could it be that you had thread and not cloth? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 13:59, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::Nope, giant cave spider cloth [3] sorted under cloth on the stock screen. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 16:52, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Probably they may specifically require GCS silk or specifically require CS silk. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 14:10, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
I figured it out - the silk was outside and I had accidentally left "Dwarves Stay Inside" on after the latest attack. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:52, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Engineer taken by secretive mood, and creates... ==

Evidently engineers who are taken by a secretive mood ("withdraws from society", in case it's later determined that the descriptor has an effect) will have no problems taking over the mechanic's workshop. And there's only one thing mechanic-shops build - that's right, you heard right, ladies and gentlemen, I present ''Kodor ós: A claystone mechanism''. It's even available for use from the appropriate {{k|b}})uild screens. He decided to make this splendid 86,400o creation while on an eight-mechanism binge in that very same mechanic's workshop. Maybe dwarves choose the workshop they've been in the most often? --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

:Ah, actually I can confirm I've had a Mechanic create an artifact mechanism as well. Stick some obsidian swords in that baby and you'll be good to go! That should probably go in the main article for skills vs workshops... I would expect siege engineers also have strange moods, but I imagine pump op and siege op fall under the general craftsman catch-all --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 15:45, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::I'd like to smack BismuthBismuthBismuth with the facts stated in the article.
A dwarf will claim a workshop according to their highest applicable skill
::In this case it was Engineering and therefore your mechanic went to a Mechanic's Workshop. It's the same with the possessed glassmakers. They hit a glassmaker's shop. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:49, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:::I'd like to hit GreyMario-Maria, preferably in the upper-body region, with the fact that at the time of my post, the table in the article did not mention mechanics whatsoever. --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 22:26, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::::Pardon me, but I was not aware that ''mechanics'' worked at a ''mechanic's workshop'', where objects are created that have ''quality mofidiers'' and can thus become ''artifacts''. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:28, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:::::Pardon me as well, but it seems that the table in [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Strange_mood&oldid=25231 this particular revision] did not encapsulate this information. '''GreyMario is throwing a tantrum!''' --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:22, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
::::::Mechanics. Work at a mechanic's workshop. Produce items which have visible quality modifiers. Items with visible quality modifiers are eligible to be artifacts. THEREFORE, mechanics claim mechanic's workshops when they go fey. Seriously, logic sometimes, please? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:30, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
:::::::That would follow if we knew for certain that the proposition "items with visible quality modifiers are eligible to artifacts" is necessarily true. We don't. For instance, siege engine components are not verified as artifact eligible. Since that isn't a given, it's perfectly reasonable for people to not jump to the conclusion that a job type will create artifacts relevant to it until they see it happen. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 16:26, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

i love the absurd randomness factor with artifacts - you end up with really weird stuff. like grates, and socks. a question pertinent to legendary mechanisms - i got a stupidly valuable one of these as the first legendary item in a new fort and i used it to create a gear assembly in a public dining area in the hopes that it would give dwarves happy thoughts, but after a few years gametime of checking randomly on them nothing particular showed up. any particular use along these lines for legendary mechanisms for something other then simple fortress value? --[[User:FruityBix|FruityBix]] 11:51, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
: weapon traps! --[[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 12:03, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
:: FWIW, that might be a more general answer for artifact items... I had a Weaponsmith dwarf go into a strange mood and create a lead warhammer (Yes, there was plenty of steel and iron around, but this dwarf likes lead, I guess). It can't be equipped as a weapon (lead isn't a valid material type normally for constructing weapons) but I can put it into a weapons trap. Which... is basically the only thing I can do with this 65000* artifact... -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 14:37, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
::: Actually, artifact equipment can be used, it just requires a "hero" level dwarf or higher. However, for the nonstandard material weapons and armor you may do well to forbid them so that they're not used. The actual effectiveness of odd material artifacts is supposedly lower than that of decent iron or steel equipment, and artifact equipment cannot be unequipped once a dwarf decides to use it. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 15:36, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

== Tanner fixed ==

I just had a Tanner claim a leather works, not a tannery. I updated the table. For the record, the dwarf has no skill level in leather working.

:I wonder if Tanners even claim Tanner's shops? Tanner's shops just make leather, and leather doesn't have quality modifiers, so you shouldn't be able to produce an artifact from one, aye? That information came from an older version of the page, I wonder if it was inaccurate. Weavers supposed claim Clothier's shops and not Looms, so it would make sense if Tanners were the same way. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 18:08, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== Cooks ==

I can confirm that cooks do not produce artifacts: my Peasant with Dabbling Cook/Brewer/(various social) and nothing else just took over a Craftsdwarf's Workshop. I'm removing the verify tag for cooks in the article. --[[User:Comonad|Comonad]] 16:16, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

mmmm. . . . artifact roast. [[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 19:12, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

== Soapers etc. ==

It stands to reason that soapers, lye makers, and wood burners wouldn't make artifacts. Neither soap, lye, charcoal, nor ash have quality modifiers, and that's all those skills can produce. I'm pretty sure you can't have artifact soap, lye, charcoal, or ash. --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 20:26, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

: My woodburner just got possessed. He wants a shell and wood. I have the shell but I'm not sure what type of wood he wants. --[[User:Ehertlein|Ehertlein]] 20:18, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

== Not all demands need to be met ==

I just had a dwarf taken by a secretive mood and collect a huge variety of things: 4 stone, 1 block, 1 gem, 2 rough gems, bones, a shell, 2 leather. He was further sketching for more bones, 2 leather, another stone, a log, another shell, and raw green glass. The only things I didn't have on hand were the shell and the green glass -- dwarves seem to go through their list in order, and get stuck on certain items.

I just hoped someone would eat a turtle (50/1678 chance!) and queued a raw green glass. When the glass was made, he got started, totally ignoring his previous requests for wood, another shell, and the other things. Anyone else have this experience? [[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 13:28, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

:I think they keep sketching images even after they get the items. Your dwarf already had all of the shells, leather, bones, stones, blocks, and gems he needed. [[User:Curudan|Curudan]] 15:26, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

::This is correct. I've had dwarves run out, grab two items, and then sit at the Workshop shouting a need for three items. When the item he was waiting on became available, he ran out, grabbed it, went back in, and started working. So it's pretty evident that they list ALL of the items they want, regardless of how many of them they've already collected. --[[User:Nekojin|Nekojin]] 22:28, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

== Possession ==

I've had 14 moods in my current Fortress, 11 of them have been possessions. Am I really unlucky, or is the type of mood weighted? [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 09:55, 26 August 2008 (EDT)
: As far as I can tell by looking at the game logic, each mood types are as likely to be rolled (except fell of course, which is selected if happiness<rand(128) or something like that). --[[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 07:56, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
:: I had a feeling I was just getting really unlucky, thanks. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 14:34, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

40d:Magma forge

2008-09-07T00:27:26Z

Janus: no longer relevant; all possible anvil materials are now magma safe

{{Workshop|name=Magma forge|key=v|job=Weaponsmith, Armorsmith, Metalsmith, Crossbow-making
|construction=
* [[Stone]] or [[block|Stone blocks]]{{verify}}
* [[Bar]]s{{verify}}
* [[Anvil]]
|construction_job=
* [[Weaponsmith|Weaponsmithing]]
* [[Armorsmith|Armoring]]
* [[Metalsmith|Blacksmithing]]
* [[Metal crafter|Metalcrafting]]
* [[Crossbow-making]]
|use=
* [[Metal|Metal bars]]
|production=
*[[Crafts]]
*[[Goblet]]s (x3 from one metal bar)
*[[Toy]]
*[[Instrument]]
*[[Flask]]s (x3 from one metal bar)
*[[Coins]] (x500 from one metal bar)
*[[Stud|Studding]]
*[[Furniture]]
}}
A '''magma forge''' is a [[metalsmith's forge]] which does not require [[charcoal]] or other [[fuel]], as long as it is positioned over [[magma]]. In order to function, the forge must be exactly one Z-level above a lava or magma square. Magma forges cannot draw from many Z-levels below themselves as [[Well|wells]] can. It must be built of [[fire-safe materials]]

A magma forge will not function unless at least one of its eight edge squares hang over a channel which has magma at a depth of 4/7 or more. [[Dwarves]] will not roast when working inside a magma forge, unlike the unlucky soldiers you station right next to the vent.

{{Workshops}}

40d Talk:Smoothing

2008-08-24T00:22:24Z

Janus: /* Pillar */

== Buildings ==
will they not smoth stone if there is a construction there? they havenst smoethed the stone that have traps, or doors on it --[[User:Corhen|Corhen]]

: IIRC, placed traps do prevent smoothing but doors do not. I have a feeling that ''sometimes'' designating floor-smoothing under doors doesn't take (perhaps something to do with it's open/closed status at the time?), but it is certainly possible to do. --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 06:56, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

== Rubble ==
Does smoothing remove the rubble?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 02:06, 4 January 2008 (EST)

:No, dwarves don't clear the tile of any objects before smoothing it.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 02:25, 4 January 2008 (EST)

== [[Trade depot]] ==

the trade depot article suggests smoothing stone for the human caravan is necessary - only inside i hope? Also, this article says nothing bout smoothing ''floor'' anyway - i would appreciate some info - is room value raised? --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 01:30, 10 February 2008 (EST)

<nowiki>*gasp* </nowiki>I really hade to smooth <s>pebbles</s> boulders *outside* my fort to make room! Sending my poor defenseless dwarf far into hostile envronment.. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:54, 10 February 2008 (EST)
::it's referring to smoothing boulders, since those block wagons. regular pebbles and grass are fine – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Chariot|Chariot]]
:::yeah, i should have been more precise - its only the boulders that matter --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 07:35, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Just as a side note, you can also get past boulders by building a 1x1 tiled bridge. The wagon will go over it just fine. [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:23, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

== Which side? ==
Does smoothing a wall add value to the rooms on both sides, or just the side the engraver stood on while he was doing it? --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 08:43, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
:All eight directions that do not cross Z levels. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 11:47, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

== Floor ==

Is there a way to smooth a floor?-Mhyder – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Mhyder|Mhyder]]
:Designate it to be smoothed --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 18:54, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

== Who Smooths ==

What job designation is smoother? Mason? Stonecrafting? Stoneworking? [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 17:23, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
: Stone Detailing, I believe --[[User:Tracker|Tracker]] 17:44, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Does it matter who smooths when it comes to value? What does smoothing do to value anyway?
– [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Seaneat|Seaneat]]

:Smoothing does add to value by a fixed amount I don't actually know (1 or more). It has no quality modifier, so it doesn't matter how skilled is your [[Stone detailing|stone detailer]] (except that [[Skill|skilled]] dwarves work faster). --[[User:Aykavil|Aykavil]] 04:35, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

== Selection Rectangle ==
I'm not sure when it got added, but selecting areas to be detailed now flash after being selected. I went ahead and removed the section mentioning that.--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 16:54, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

== Value and placed objects ==

If i'm making a room for my <s>suckers</s> dwarves and want it all pretty, like, does an engraved floor tile still up the value of the room if I place a table or cabinet on top of it? --[[User:Groveller|Groveller]] 15:00, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

== Pillar ==

Can water pass through a pillar? --[[User:MarauderIIC|MarauderIIC]] 00:45, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

:I don't see how. It's considered to be a full wall, so there's no gap created by a pillar spot. – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Kefkakrazy|Kefkakrazy]]

::I believe he's talking about a [[Support]], which is called a pillar after being built. If that's the case, fluids can indeed flow through and creatures can also occupy the square. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 20:22, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Sand

2008-08-23T08:27:54Z

Janus: /* Is Sand Ever Available in Caravans? */

This seems a bit confusing. Is it possible to collect sand without bags? Without a glass furnace? What do you set to get your dwarves to do it?--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 17:56, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

:You can't collect sand without empty bags or a glass furnace. The command to gather sand is issued from the furnace itself.
:At least, that's how it was back in the last version-I doubt they changed it, though.
:[[User:Kefkakrazy|Kefkakrazy]] 18:37, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

::It hasn't changed. --[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 19:41, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

== Absence of sand and moods ==

Are you screwed if a dwarf enters a mood, requires raw green glass, and there is no sand on the map? Presumably in such a situation you'd want to specify glass blocks from the traders ASAP. I just had a dwarf go berserk for want of green glass ... although he was a lowly hauler, so whatevs! [[User:Julius|Julius]] 14:37, 13 November 2007 (EST)

:So far, in all my fortresses, my dwarves never asked for something they could not find on the map for their moods. In my current fortress, I have a ''lot'' of items made of rock, wood, bone and leather... --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 20:16, 4 December 2007 (EST)

I have had a fort where there was no single sand at all...but after some years small squares of sand has appeard at places where my dwarf travels alot. Is it possblie that sand can be made? ([[User:Keilden|Keilden]] 06:20, 21 January 2008 (EST))

:I believe this is caused by the dwarves killing off the vegitation covering the sand. I don't think you can create sand in areas where there is something else underneath, such as silty loam.--[[User:Kingzilla|Kingzilla]] 19:03, 21 January 2008 (EST)

::It's easy to tell if a square has collectible sand or not. Simply designate a zone over a single square, and look to see if sand collection isn't a 0. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 01:33, 22 January 2008 (EST)

Well those single squares have more then 0 in sand but they can't be collected.([[User:Keilden|Keilden]] 02:48, 22 January 2008 (EST))

:Then there's something else wrong, not a lack of sand. The raws determine the sand or not. I've gone and added sand to a map that originally didn't have any by adding the proper tag. If the zone says it's sand, then it's sand, and something else in the collection is the problem. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:35, 22 January 2008 (EST)

== Types of sand for glassmaking ==

Are red, black, white and yellow the only types of sand available for glass production? [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 20:13, 4 December 2007 (EST)

:Yes, as they are the only types of sand. (Loamy sand or whatever isn't really sand) --[[User:Karlito|Karlito]] 23:55, 4 December 2007 (EST)

::"(Loamy sand or whatever isn't really sand) --Karlito" Thank you for clearing that up! If you get time, would you add that to the Sand page? -- [[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 9:55, 21 March 2008 (EST)

== digging for sand ==

In some forum there was mentioned that one may dig for sand near a river, in the sense that this might create some previously hidden areas of sand for bag-collecting. can this really be done? and how? --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 19:41, 3 March 2008 (EST)

:Just check to see if there's a sand deposit under the soil near the river. Sometimes you get lucky. You can check without digging there as well, just {{k|k}} over the banks under it. – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Chrispy|Chrispy]]

::I don't think this is true, personally. Then again, I hardly ever embark on a river. Heh. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 17:18, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

::: I'm not sure 'digging' is the right word - you may need to pump water for sand. I just found an underground pool with a sandy bottom on a map otherwise lacking in sand. Multi-level water pumping? Gee i'm glad i practiced building under the ocean not too long ago... --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 19:02, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

== Is Sand Ever Available in Caravans? ==

Just wondering if I will never have it in this current fortress. --[[User:Ehertlein|Ehertlein]] 07:46, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

:Sadly, no. Caravans don't carry sand and it isn't available as something you can request. I expect Toady will eventually take care of it in an update, but for now you're out of luck. You shouldn't actually need it though since moods no longer require glass if you have none and have no way to make it on your map (no sand). --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 08:48, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

::Good to know. I was basically just interested in making some glass windows for an office. --[[User:Ehertlein|Ehertlein]] 09:45, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

:::If you don't mind cheating, you could either make your soil sand by raw editing. That's what I do, since finding a small site with sand + underground river + magma pipe + flux + chasm - aquifer - underground pool - cave - salt water is a bit difficult. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 12:10, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

::::I'll work with what I have been given. I have a magma pipe and supposedly an underground river (if the site finder didn't lie to me) so I will work on building some sort of obsidian monstrosity if I get bored. I am too new to DF to worry too much about glass anyways! I can't even keep incoming caravans happy! :) --[[User:Ehertlein|Ehertlein]] 12:43, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

:::::You can always use gems to make windows. Those can potentially be quite a bit more valuable than glass ones anyway. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 04:27, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Sand

2008-08-22T12:48:51Z

Janus: /* Is Sand Ever Available in Caravans? */

This seems a bit confusing. Is it possible to collect sand without bags? Without a glass furnace? What do you set to get your dwarves to do it?--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 17:56, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

You can't collect sand without empty bags or a glass furnace. The command to gather sand is issued from the furnace itself.
At least, that's how it was back in the last version-I doubt they changed it, though. [[User:Kefkakrazy|Kefkakrazy]] 18:37, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

:It hasn't changed. --[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 19:41, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

==Absence of sand and moods==
Are you screwed if a dwarf enters a mood, requires raw green glass, and there is no sand on the map? Presumably in such a situation you'd want to specify glass blocks from the traders ASAP. I just had a dwarf go berserk for want of green glass ... although he was a lowly hauler, so whatevs! [[User:Julius|Julius]] 14:37, 13 November 2007 (EST)
:So far, in all my fortresses, my dwarves never asked for something they could not find on the map for their moods. In my current fortress, I have a ''lot'' of items made of rock, wood, bone and leather... --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 20:16, 4 December 2007 (EST)

I have had a fort where there was no single sand at all...but after some years small squares of sand has appeard at places where my dwarf travels alot. Is it possblie that sand can be made? ([[User:Keilden|Keilden]] 06:20, 21 January 2008 (EST))

: I believe this is caused by the dwarves killing off the vegitation covering the sand. I don't think you can create sand in areas where there is something else underneath, such as silty loam.--[[User:Kingzilla|Kingzilla]] 19:03, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:It's easy to tell if a square has collectible sand or not. Simply designate a zone over a single square, and look to see if sand collection isn't a 0. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 01:33, 22 January 2008 (EST)

Well those single squares have more then 0 in sand but they can't be collected.([[User:Keilden|Keilden]] 02:48, 22 January 2008 (EST))

:Then there's something else wrong, not a lack of sand. The raws determine the sand or not. I've gone and added sand to a map that originally didn't have any by adding the proper tag. If the zone says it's sand, then it's sand, and something else in the collection is the problem. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:35, 22 January 2008 (EST)

==Types of sand for glassmaking==
Are red, black, white and yellow the only types of sand available for glass production? [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 20:13, 4 December 2007 (EST)

Yes, as they are the only types of sand. (Loamy sand or whatever isn't really sand) --[[User:Karlito|Karlito]] 23:55, 4 December 2007 (EST)

:"(Loamy sand or whatever isn't really sand) --Karlito" Thank you for clearing that up! If you get time, would you add that to the Sand page? -- [[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 9:55, 21 March 2008 (EST)

== digging for sand ==

In some forum there was mentioned that one may dig for sand near a river, in the sense that this might create some previously hidden areas of sand for bag-collecting. can this really be done? and how? --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 19:41, 3 March 2008 (EST)
:Just check to see if there's a sand deposit under the soil near the river. Sometimes you get lucky. You can check without digging there as well, just {{k|k}} over the banks under it. – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Chrispy|Chrispy]]
::I don't think this is true, personally. Then again, I hardly ever embark on a river. Heh. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 17:18, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
::: I'm not sure 'digging' is the right word - you may need to pump water for sand. I just found an underground pool with a sandy bottom on a map otherwise lacking in sand. Multi-level water pumping? Gee i'm glad i practiced building under the ocean not too long ago... --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 19:02, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

==Is Sand Ever Available in Caravans?==
Just wondering if I will never have it in this current fortress. --[[User:Ehertlein|Ehertlein]] 07:46, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
:Sadly, no. Caravans don't carry sand and it isn't available as something you can request. I expect Toady will eventually take care of it in an update, but for now you're out of luck. You shouldn't actually need it though since moods no longer require glass if you have none and have no way to make it on your map (no sand). --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 08:48, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Talk:Main Page/archive2

2008-08-22T00:59:01Z

Janus: /* alternate site???? */

Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Spamreport

2008-08-18T05:57:42Z

Janus: /* Use this page to notify the admin of any spamming account. */

40d Talk:Pregenerated worlds

2008-08-08T16:40:08Z

Janus: /* Smata Sagus download */

== Standardization ==
Along with creating a template for the entries, the images need to all be with the standard character sets and not with a graphical set. It's not very useful to be looking at images one is unfamiliar with - may as well not upload the images. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:39, 10 December 2007 (EST) 
::Definitely something to work on with standardizing the information on seeds. Though maybe later, as all you really need to be able to look at is the X marking locations and size of the box on the local map. I finished categorizing the seeds, and later will be trying to work out a general format for seed entries/later submittals. --[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 18:07, 10 December 2007 (EST)
 
Personally, I find the way Chariot implemented his seed page[http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/User:Chariot/SEED_196405198] wonderful. The seed entry here on the pregen page could use a little more detail (OS&DF version for instance) but the separate page with site-by-site breakdowns is great! I've got little/no experience with wikis, but I'm wondering if it would be possible to make a template to do that, and make it easy for any new seeds to be added using the template. Among other things, it would keep discussion of seeds specific to their own pages, and leave this discussion free to concentrate on the generalities of seeds and pre-gen worlds. In addition, it should either be reclassified or duplicated to indicate that it's also a 0/low rejects seed. --[[User:n9103|n9103]] 11:10, 17 Dec 2007 (PST)
:I made a quickly thrown together template for seeded worlds [[Template:Seeded World]], and have made a copy of Pauls world (for .33f) in it. It still needs alot of tuning (especially conditional #if for when entries are left open), as well as better handling (or rather handling at all) for worlds with multiple good starting locations. (Not really sure how this last point can be handled most cleanly from the perspective of the user.) Interrested in feedback as to the usefulness of such a template.. --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 18:35, 17 December 2007 (EST)
::Looks nice and pretty functional. As to additional sites, would it be possible to use templates within templates? Specifically, reproducing the current template for the site portion multiple times within it's own set of show/hide areas for each site. Just an idea on that coming from someone that doesn't know squat about advanced wiki-ing. Unless empty entries break the template, should they need handling at all? (since I read somewhere that this wiki doesn't do ifs. Great Work so far! --[[User:n9103|n9103]] 19:45, 17 Dec 2007 (PST)

== Clean up? ==
It was asked why I deleted a seed earlier, and I may just go back and edit it so that it mentions that I tested the seed on two different machines and got vastly different results on the seed than the original seed poster did (see history for seed number). Also, what is your guy's opinions on deleting/redoing entries without maps/pictures or without any major sites of interest? Example: Seed 0 mentions a spot to start at a terrifying volcano but you cannot even embark there.

PS - I'm going to move seeds according to quick creation time (low rejects) and features if possible.

Also, added a nice find to the pre-generated world's list.
--[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 16:42, 10 December 2007 (EST)

::Unless we are speaking at cross purposes ... I am playing a game right now at the suggested start spot from Seed 0. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:27, 10 December 2007 (EST)

:::I'll just nuke the useless volcano in the tundra image for now as this is fairly common and taking up room - and you cannot embark anywhere near there. I understand that the seed is worth keeping because of 0 rejects. But in terms of useless information taking up space, that was the point I was trying to make. --[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 17:30, 10 December 2007 (EST)

::::I see what you're talking about - I think that picture was just there to show that a volcano was in fact in the tundra, because that isn't the photo associated with the place s/he was suggested one should play. That's the other photo. The only purpose to the one you're refering to is to demonstrate that it's indeed a cool map, I suppose. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 18:30, 10 December 2007 (EST)

: Well I asked you why you deleted the seed I put back up, if it really doesn't work on other computers then I have no problem taking it down, but I've had no trouble regenerating it and I've had no problem generating other people's seeds. Something you need to do though is make sure you don't alter the settings at all. If there are issues where it only works on certain computers, that's interesting in and of itself, but I haven't seen any evidence of that myself so far. I should add, I do support cleaning up, the page is a mess beyond belief, and I agree some of the seeds are amazingly stupid. [[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 18:16, 10 December 2007 (EST)
:: If it works on your computer under repeatable circumstances, leave it up but have a warning tag of some sort :) We could use good seeds. When I have time I will be purging some of the more useless seeds and attempting to clean up here and there. Maybe have some information about your system info/processor/windows or linux? We don't know how these things sometimes affects seed generation. Don't feel bad, the seed I just posted I found out has variable flux/farmable land/sand based on which computers you generated from - and deleting the seed was just jumping the gun on my part.--[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 19:15, 10 December 2007 (EST)
::: I've repeated it a few times. Processor is AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200 Dual Core 90nm 939-pin, OS is XP SP2. Now that you mention that flux thing I do seem to remember someone mentioning something once about a slightly modified map. I'll try to find that at some point to see if there were any relevant details. [[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 14:13, 11 December 2007 (EST)

===Removal of older pre-generated worlds===
[[User:N9103]] and [[User:Fedor]] had a bit of a back and forth as to cleaning up older PreGen (Pre-generated) worlds. 
Fedor brought up that some of the changes in map generation since then are for the better, and how most people would probably expect the most recent generation rules to be in effect. 
Edward brought up how the actual world had no changes and were still perfectly usable. 
Fedor brought up that many minerals and gems were typically missing in maps generated in 33e and earlier. Edward agrees on this point. 
Edward and Fedor came to the agreement that it should be a community decision as to whether older (33e&f) PreGens should be left on the wiki. 

Please leave your opinion for this decision, along with any suggestions!

:Leave them on the page with a note that the rock-layer-generating code changed, so the same worlds generated under the current version would have different mineral abundances. If they were incompatible or somehow vastly inferior, then I'd agree with their removal, but having different minerals strikes me as quite minor.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 03:57, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:For the downloadable worlds leave them as is, or update descriptions if anything actually changes. Although I thought that the downloadable ones would fixed at that point. As for the seeds I'd either leave them there if they are still good, or possible archive them to a pregenerated worlds/version page if we get too many. --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 06:24, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:Remove, users can check the history of the page if they want the older stuff. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:28, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:They could be moved to the seed pages for older versions. A lot of the older maps have completely different features(magma, hidden fun stuff, underground lakes) than advertised when played on 38c. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 09:49, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

== Logging sites ==
I like the idea of logging specific sites to seeds, but how is the best way we can organize this? for a good location explaination you probably need a picture. But if we add a lot of pictures to each seed we get a large cluttered page. What shall we do? Add subpages for specific seeds? Try to think of a generic way to log nice sites (for example: Seed: 12323241 coords:12,13 has: ruins, vent, pit, trees, iron , gold, undead elephants of death, more eagels than the US has fighter planes, etc). (Is it possible to determine the coords of a site on the world map?)

And also, I think it is possible to create non number seeds. I'm going to test this.
--[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 08:34, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
: No for non numbers. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 09:10, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

The forum had a good suggestion. Lets store all the seeds that reject few regions while you create them. (Or at least reject as few regions as possible). The first one with the vulcano in the woods rejects 9 regions. The seed 2 gives a world after 3 rejects according to the forum. http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001234 --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 09:10, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

This thread should be interesting. There's even a world with zero rejects. 
http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001247 [[User:Death Dragon|Death Dragon]] 02:34, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Does anybody know how to link to a specific post of the forum? [[User:Death Dragon|Death Dragon]] 12:38, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:As far as I know, there isn't a way. This version of the bulletin board code does not place "name" links within the generated forum thread tables as some others do, so no appending of a "#name" to the URL can possibly scroll the browser directly to the post. The best we can do is link to the correct page of the thread and rely on the reader to scroll to the correct post him/herself. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:55, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

== Coordinates ==

This was mentioned briefly on the forum, but we should make some rules for finding specific locations on the map,
As in there is a magma vent in a tile with no volcano near at this position
The question is whether or not to use coordinates that refer to the map you get when you export your map (the big one), or to refer to coordinates in the 3 sections thats show up when you are selecting were to embark to. I'm actually not positive, they match up.
I'm pretty sure the map you get from exporting is 257x308, and I'm not 100% on this, but I think the middle map of the embark mode is exactly the same, I just looked through it, and it seems this way, but I thought (and maybe this was a remnant from 32a) that it didn't if someone else can confirm or deny it that'd be nice.

Anyhow I propose using that middle map as the basis of coordinates: we use the most general map (which is 15x16) and follow it by actual map position, and lastly where in the local map it is. also I propose using what tile it is to define it on each map as well.

here's an example (which you can verify using [SEED:2260691361])

General: (yellow n) 
14 Lat, and 2 lon 
Coordinates: (yellow i) 
220 lat, and 33 lon 
Location: (green i)-(green i) 
1-3 lat, and 5-7 lon 

You have here a elf forest retreat.
 
--[[User:Bevilr|Bevilr]] 22:03, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

====Can't use the middle map sorry====
It's always centered on the cursor. Also the large exported map - it may be bugged presently as it seems possible to find regions that are off the edge of what's exported. What would be possible would be to count the steps past where the position on the world (right-most) map changed, this seems to happen every 16 X or Y steps. Suggest indexing from the bottom left (top right if negative values used).
[[User:Djp|Djp]] 01:10, 22 November 2007 (EST)

:Use the world map to see where the approximate location is on the full map and the middle map for landmarks in that vicinity to figure out where the exact site is.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 00:45, 23 November 2007 (EST)

== Individual entries ==

I like the way #3089130238 laid out the information for that seed. We could definitely use a standard layout for this page. Is there anything else we should be including for each seed, besides the number of map rejections?--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:05, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:I definitely agree with this, and would love to see some sort of template, for (A) each world, and (B) sites of interest in each world--[[User:Bevilr|Bevilr]] 22:06, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
::A layout would be good, but keep in mind that the required bits should be accessible from either the exportable world map or fortress mode site selection. Otherwise, it could become an ungodly hassle to fill out the form and then there'd be no more additions. --[[User:BDR|BDR]] 07:22, 4 November 2007 (EST)

Seed 92003: I like the volcano named "The Big Flame." It makes me laugh! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 13:56, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Can we please put in seed 1337? (it has 2 or 4 rejects... i cant remember which, if absolutly nothing else... and it has lots of good stuff on it to... i found so many good sites... it was hard to pick which one to... well pick.) but really, its seed 1337, check it out. --[[User:pbhead|pbhead]] 18:20 November 2007 (EST)

:What was good about the sites? People sometimes have very different ideas of what makes for a good world.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:56, 21 November 2007 (EST)

== Template ==

{{Seeded World
|seed = 4265985437
|name = The Legendary Ever-Realm
|rejects = 51
|version = .33f
|genname = RANDOM
|link = http://hyperfileshare.com/d/f91fae26
|comment = This is a most rude stealing of Paul's map above for the purpose of testing this template, changes are bound to happen, please comment in discussion thread/make improvements as you see fit.
|image = [[Image:4265985437.PNG|thumb|500px]]
|features = [[Magma]], cave river, chasm, adamantine, sand, trees, flux and iron.
|missing = Giant cave spiders??
}}

I moved this example template from the main article. Discussion should go at [[Template talk:Seeded World]]. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 17:22, 23 December 2007 (EST)

==Organization==
I think we should try to better organize the seeds, into a table or such, something like [[User:Valdemar/Seeds|this]]. It would really help to see all of the seeds at a glance. We should also try to take all screenshots using 0x517A5D's excellent [[Utilities#Regional_Prospector|Regional Prospector]], to reveal all the hidden mountain features. --[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 15:42, 26 December 2007 (EST)

== Re: 4265985437 - The Legendary Ever-Realm ==

On Vista, it is generated with the same name, but with 71 rejects and a completely different map. (33g) Alas! [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 00:32, 28 December 2007 (EST)

:That's because of changed map generation algotythm in 33g. (Maybe this should be placed in discussion?) [[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 01:02, 28 December 2007 (EST)

:There's a download link provided for that world, so just download it.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:38, 28 December 2007 (EST)

==Multiple Continents and STUFF!==
Just poking around here. Has anyone seen/generated a world with multiple continents? I've seen plenty of Island, but there's always only one continent and all the "oceans" look more like oversized lakes. Could someone post a world with multiple coninents and if possible realistic oceans? Oh, and has anyone noticed that the polar icecaps are more like large tundras rather than, well, large glaciers... My worlds usually end up so warm, I wonder if the dwarfs have a problem with global warming. [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 15:40, 28 December 2007 (EST)

:Depending on your definition of continent, I've gotten two separate land masses that weren't connected. But considering the scale of the DF Worlds, it's not surprising there aren't really convincing oceans. If you assume that each tile is about 1m², (pretty reasonable) then each DF world is only 38,654 km² (14,924mi²) in total surface area. Considering that the Land Surface Area of the Earth is oh, around 4,000 Times larger, and that's not even counting the water area... So yea, a world with a real ocean would be sorta like playing on the corner of a volcanic island. :P --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:32, 28 December 2007 (EST)

::Not to be rude, but I think you made a error in your calculations. Please do consider that Europe alone is more than ten million square kilometers. I think you made a error when you considered "dwarf" squares per embark squares per world squares. Also, considering that the world's biggest mountain is 8848m high and the highest DF mountains are 250 Z-levels high(if I remember correctly), one DF Z-level must be more than 35m. Even when the highest DF mountain would be 5000m, a Z-level should be 20m. At the same time one average story of a building is ca 4m and putting this into z-levels gives us a maximum mountain size of 1000m. Small, huh? Oh, don't forget that that is the height from the lowest bottom of an "ocean", meaning that the real values are even more ridiculous. I can't imagine a ocean in the DF world in your scale at all. Speaking of oceans, I just generated a world with an ridiculous ocean. It's less than 15x15 in size and doesn't even show up on the world map in embark screen. Then there's the stone layers. In a 40000km² area there should be no more than a handful of stone layers, but in a DF world there's hundreds!
::This is sounding very DF-critical, but I really love this game. It's just that that the world generation can be very weird. Oh! And to make this post even longer for kicks. I just generated a world where three oceans divide the world into two, what I would call, continents, but because of two small land bridges they are counted as one. Compare with N. + S. America and Europe + Asia + Africa. Nuff...
::PS. Did you manually add your sig to translate your nick? [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 13:56, 29 December 2007 (EST)

:::RE Land Mass: Total Earth Land Area: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth Total DF Land Area: [[Regions]]
:::Why should DF world relate directly to the real world? Who says that DF mountains would even be as tall as Earth's? You made quite a few derivative calculations on a rather large assumption, IMO. All I've been trying to establish is that there really isn't a point to trying to compare the DF World to the real one. If you're trying to counter that argument, I'm really unsure what the point of most of your comments were. If you're trying to confirm it, then your comments still don't make much sense.
:::As for the sig, I added the normal signature to my nickname preference, changed the field manually, and that's where the signature comes from.--[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:21, 29 December 2007 (EST)

==Smata Sagus download==
(The file doesn't work on my PC. I get a Fatal Error: "Missing Reaction Definition" -[[User:Zara|Zara]] 14:39, 30 January 2008 (EST))
:You're absolutely right, I'd forgotten about a couple of changes I made to the reactions. The same problem affected my other two uploaded worlds as well. My apologies. I've uploaded new copies which are made on an unmodified copy of 33g, so download it again and it will work. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 17:51, 30 January 2008 (EST)

I could not recreate exactly the starting area using the folder provided. The landscape has changed slightly. [[User:Aristoi|Aristoi]] 10:14, 8 August 2008 (EDT) [[Image:Smata Sagus Starting Area.JPG|none|thumb|The starting area is a bit different (v0.28.181.39e)]]
:Yeah, I imagine that's due to the way the game now smooths shores and mountain range edges beyond what it did back in 33g. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 12:40, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

== Organization proposal ==

I propose to place all world seeds on subpages for their corresponding version and transcluding the page with the current world seeds onto the main pregenerated worlds page.
The idea would end up something like so:

''Pregenerated worlds''

<nowiki>==Seeds==</nowiki>

<nowiki>{{:Pregenerated worlds/0.27.173.38a}}</nowiki>

''Pregenerated worlds/0.27.173.38a''

(list of seeds and descriptions)

If we do it this way there won't be a need to move large blocks of text around when the version change kills seed compatibility; instead we can change which of the pages are transcluded onto the main seed page. Any thoughts? I will probably implement this tomorrow if noone objects. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 18:57, 6 February 2008 (EST)

:Very good idea, do you envision e.g. the page ''Pregenerated worlds/version.number'' to contain both "passive" seed information as well as true pregenerated downloadable worlds?-[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 08:36, 8 February 2008 (EST)

== [[Pregenerated_worlds#Near_perfect_4X5]] - seed #: 1038428822 ==

Has anyone managed to generated the world shown in the screenshot? I generated [SEED:1038428822] with an unmodified df_27_173_38a and the world is nothing like what's displayed in the screenshot. Possibly the original poster has modified raw files that caused it to be different? There isn't much said about modified raws changing the world generated. We probably should add something about that and ask people who have modified raws to post them alongside their seeds. Does anyone have much info regarding which raws can potentially effect worldgen? Also has anyone actually ever tested the fact that different names (non-random) or OSes cause different worlds to be generated or is that just something someone put there to try and explain why there are sometimes different worlds generated? I haven't tested either yet but both sound like strange things to cause a different world to me. --[[User:Someone(r)(c)(tm)|Someone(r)(c)(tm)]] 15:04, 14 February 2008 (EST)
:Operating system still causes a different output, too, as far as I know. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 16:04, 14 February 2008 (EST)
::Then we need to write an operating system... I had absolutely different world either. (There's still a possibility of typo in a seed)--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 23:48, 14 February 2008 (EST)
:I think that that seed was for the last version (33g)--[[User:Dragonflare|Dragonflare]] 01:12, 15 February 2008 (EST)
:The Toady One himself has stated in his changelogs that OS and World name don't affect world gen. As for raws, I would assume *ANY* change to them would change the generation. Personally, I think that if you're using a mod, then you forfeit your world-posting privileges, since this is by far aimed at unmodded DF. Posting in a subpage of the mod itself would be different of course. JM2¢. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 03:31, 15 February 2008 (EST)
::Found this in the changelogs "12/19/2007: <snip> * made world generation results independent of custom name" so I'm removing the world name thing. I'm thinking of removing the OS thing as well unless someone really is sure it effects. Basically what you want to test is making the same seed using two operating systems with completely default DFs of the same version (I suggest redownloading from the site on both OSes to be sure because you might have modified the raws and forgotten or something) but I am some what doubtful that OS has any effect. I actually agree with Edward about people using mods not posting worlds but I was thinking it was possibly a bit extreme so didn't suggest it myself. Unless anyone has any objections or other suggestions perhaps we should implement it? Although probably any change to the raws effects worldgen in some way it would appear that since terrain seems to be generated first not all modifications result in completely different worlds. Since most of the seeds given here are aimed at good starting locations in the form of terrain features it's possible that some modifications to the raws won't effect it enough to change the terrain generated. Of course a 'no mods at all' policy would make things a lot simpler than a 'some mods are allowed' policy. --[[User:Someone(r)(c)(tm)|Someone(r)(c)(tm)]] 07:26, 15 February 2008 (EST)
:::iirc, Toady commented that OS shouldn't have any effect since DF makes its own random numbers. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:33, 15 February 2008 (EST)

== Pocket Worlds Impossible?? ==
I've tried numerous pocket sized universes but have always gotten 10,000+ rejects and I've given up. Does anyone have a seed for a pocket sized world? [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 03:05, 21 March 2008 (EDT)
:Hmm seems some options I changed meant I couldn't generate pocket worlds. It worked fine with a fresh copy so I'll have to check what exact changes I had made which prevented it. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 03:53, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

== Ewèlina, The Enchanted Land ==

Rock salt is not a flux. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 22:34, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
:Well that sucks. I thought all the stones listed in white on the embark screen here flux. I live and learn. Updating article. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 01:32, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Is the seed right? coz i get the right world name but that map is different... – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Balistora|Balistora]]

The downloadable worlds were generated in a different version and won't generate the same in the current one. If you want a world to generate a copy of, look at the seeds section of the article. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:44, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

== Xah Rabin - The Dimension of Omen ==
This map needs a proper description of location and features.--[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 10:44, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

==Map Generation for 39a==
Since there are many more options available in the new version, just having a 'seed' isn't quite enough, esp if many options are changed. Maybe we could ask toady to get a settings import/export to a file or a hash sequence that we could enter in? Either that, or we need a whole new table and way to display these settings. [[User:Chrispy|Chrispy]] 00:39, 15 July 2008 (EDT)
:I added a [[Pregenerated_worlds#World_Generation_Parameter_Sets|parameter set section]]; IMO seeds are dead, parameter sets allow tons more control and they don't have to be typed in manually. --[[User:Zwergner|Zwergner]] 10:45, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

== I want a magma pipe + chasm bug ==

Can someone find me the seed for one of those bugged volcano ontop of a chasm things? I want to build my fortress near one of those. [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 02:20, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Tunnel

2008-08-08T15:27:40Z

Janus: Is this page remotely correct?

Tunnels? From the description given on the page it sounds like the author is referring to [[Chasm#Vent|bottomless pits / vent chasms]] (named "bottomless pits" in the in-game [[Site_finder|site-finder]]). From my understanding, what the game refers to as "tunnels" are the connections dug out between dwarven settlements and between goblin settlements, much the same as human settlements build roads between each other. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 11:27, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Dwarf Fortress Wiki:Spamreport

2008-08-07T12:53:17Z

Janus: /* Use this page to notify the admin of any spamming account. */

=== Use this page to notify the admin of any spamming account. ===

[http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=User_talk:Treewish&oldid=30184 Treewish] is a full-on spammer account; check that link to see the spam posted.

User talk:Janus/DFFD

2008-07-26T08:43:30Z

Janus: /* DFFD Download Referer Blocking */

== DFFD Download Referer Blocking ==

Is there a reason you don't allow download.php links to work from the wiki? I don't see the need to have the user to view the download page from the page describing it to begin with.

If you could allow that, it would be nice. —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 22:56, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

:Yeah, that's a quirk with the way browsers handle redirection. The referer is checked for future load balancing between multiple download servers, and a direct link to download.php gives the wrong referer info to the download server after redirection. I've spent quite a lot of time trying to find workarounds for that same issue (I played around with every redirection method available) on another game file hosting site I have, with no success. This other site uses a lot of bandwidth (~2.5TB per month at the moment) and has just such a load balancing scheme to handle all of the downloads.
:So, I guess you could say it's a necessary evil. If I removed that restriction now and later have to put it back into place due to load balancing, it could lead to a lot of people needing to change their links then. I think it's better to have it remain consistent from the beginning, after having dealt with people having to update their download links to my other file hosting site. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 23:36, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Seems it's causing another problem, for me anyways. I'm not using any kind of accelerator or any software firewall (router-based FTW.) I've even tried the download with greasemonkey and AdBlock+ disabled (extra longshot chance, but just to be safe) and still nojoy. With no idea why it's doing it, nor any way that I can get around it, DFFD is useless to me. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 09:35, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

:A hardware firewall is very unlikely to mess with the "referer" info sent with an HTTP download request header. It's more likely a setting in your browser if you indeed have no software firewall or download manager/accelerator software.
:Follow this link and copy the results of it, then click the link and see if the "referer" changes:
:http://dffd.wimbli.com/checkvar.php
:Send me that info through the DFFD site's contact form. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 10:29, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

::Considering the "Contact" form uses a referral-based submit system, I'm not sure how that was supposed to work out. In either case, I pulled up my about:config settings and found that network.http.sendRefererHeader was set to 0, (as opposed to the default of 2). Probably was set to assist in circumventing some other site's undesired tracking. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 01:13, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

:::Hmm, yeah, I'd forgotten about that; I had it set that way to minimize bot spam being sent through the contact form. I've switched it to allow blank referers in the contact form.
:::Changing that hidden Firefox setting would indeed cause the problem. Glad to hear you've got it sorted out. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 04:43, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

== New version uploads ==

When uploading a new version of a file, this does not reset the number of downloads and other information. See [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=74 tweak page] for an example, I recently uploaded 1.2.0.0 (old was 1.1.0.0). —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 03:11, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

:Well, the downloads and views counters not resetting (along with vote data and so forth) is intentional. That way it tracks the data through all versions uploaded. If you want to reset those counters for whatever reason, you can create a new listing and optionally delete the old one.
:However, I do need to fix the issue of updated listings not showing up as the latest file in the "Newest Files" RSS feed and on the Statistics page. It's just one of those details I haven't gotten to yet. Thanks for the feedback, I'll try to get that issue fixed in the next few days or so. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 03:29, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

::Maybe provide an option for resetting counters when editing a file? —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 03:29, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

:::I came up with and implemented what I think is a better solution, if slightly more complex on the server side. It now tracks both total views/downloads for the listing, and current views/downloads for the current file. Whenever you edit the listing and upload a new file for it, it will reset the current counters to zero. This will of course only take effect when you next upload a new file when editing your listing; listings which haven't been updated with new files will only display the standard listing counters. No files will yet show it on the main DFFD site yet since none have been updated since these changes were put in place, but you can see an example of the new view/download counters in action over on [http://test.fenrisoft.com/phcdownload-1.1.1/file.php?id=39 my test site here].
:::You can see the list of other site updates on my user page here. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 12:40, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

Also, it seems that the different upload mechanism is understandably a little confusing to people used to regular file upload/submission forms in that the file upload is embedded in the submission form and needs to be completed before submitting the listing.
I'll modify it to check and see if no file was yet uploaded and give you a message telling you as much if you click the button to submit the listing without uploading. It will be a simple "OK" option if it's a new listing, and a "Submit without uploading new file? Yes/No" option if it's an edit. Probably should have added that modification in earlier. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 04:05, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

:I've taken care of this in the site updates listed on my user page. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 12:40, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

File talk:Yayo ducimemal 54 catacomb proj.png

2008-07-25T04:41:55Z

Janus:

what is this? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 00:24, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
:According to the notes in the file history (uploaded by Yayo): "3d project for the catacombs, DF outpost Ducimemal succession game, year 1054, yayo" --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 00:41, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

User talk:Janus/DFFD

2008-07-22T14:29:03Z

Janus: /* DFFD Download Referer Blocking */

== DFFD Download Referer Blocking ==

Is there a reason you don't allow download.php links to work from the wiki? I don't see the need to have the user to view the download page from the page describing it to begin with.

If you could allow that, it would be nice. —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 22:56, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

:Yeah, that's a quirk with the way browsers handle redirection. The referer is checked for future load balancing between multiple download servers, and a direct link to download.php gives the wrong referer info to the download server after redirection. I've spent quite a lot of time trying to find workarounds for that same issue (I played around with every redirection method available) on another game file hosting site I have, with no success. This other site uses a lot of bandwidth (~2.5TB per month at the moment) and has just such a load balancing scheme to handle all of the downloads.
:So, I guess you could say it's a necessary evil. If I removed that restriction now and later have to put it back into place due to load balancing, it could lead to a lot of people needing to change their links then. I think it's better to have it remain consistent from the beginning, after having dealt with people having to update their download links to my other file hosting site. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 23:36, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Seems it's causing another problem, for me anyways. I'm not using any kind of accelerator or any software firewall (router-based FTW.) I've even tried the download with greasemonkey and AdBlock+ disabled (extra longshot chance, but just to be safe) and still nojoy. With no idea why it's doing it, nor any way that I can get around it, DFFD is useless to me. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 09:35, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

:A hardware firewall is very unlikely to mess with the "referer" info sent with an HTTP download request header. It's more likely a setting in your browser if you indeed have no software firewall or download manager/accelerator software.
:Follow this link and copy the results of it, then click the link and see if the "referer" changes:
:http://dffd.wimbli.com/checkvar.php
:Send me that info through the DFFD site's contact form. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 10:29, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

== New version uploads ==

When uploading a new version of a file, this does not reset the number of downloads and other information. See [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=74 tweak page] for an example, I recently uploaded 1.2.0.0 (old was 1.1.0.0). —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 03:11, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

:Well, the downloads and views counters not resetting (along with vote data and so forth) is intentional. That way it tracks the data through all versions uploaded. If you want to reset those counters for whatever reason, you can create a new listing and optionally delete the old one.
:However, I do need to fix the issue of updated listings not showing up as the latest file in the "Newest Files" RSS feed and on the Statistics page. It's just one of those details I haven't gotten to yet. Thanks for the feedback, I'll try to get that issue fixed in the next few days or so. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 03:29, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

::Maybe provide an option for resetting counters when editing a file? —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 03:29, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

:::I came up with and implemented what I think is a better solution, if slightly more complex on the server side. It now tracks both total views/downloads for the listing, and current views/downloads for the current file. Whenever you edit the listing and upload a new file for it, it will reset the current counters to zero. This will of course only take effect when you next upload a new file when editing your listing; listings which haven't been updated with new files will only display the standard listing counters. No files will yet show it on the main DFFD site yet since none have been updated since these changes were put in place, but you can see an example of the new view/download counters in action over on [http://test.fenrisoft.com/phcdownload-1.1.1/file.php?id=39 my test site here].
:::You can see the list of other site updates on my user page here. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 12:40, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

Also, it seems that the different upload mechanism is understandably a little confusing to people used to regular file upload/submission forms in that the file upload is embedded in the submission form and needs to be completed before submitting the listing.
I'll modify it to check and see if no file was yet uploaded and give you a message telling you as much if you click the button to submit the listing without uploading. It will be a simple "OK" option if it's a new listing, and a "Submit without uploading new file? Yes/No" option if it's an edit. Probably should have added that modification in earlier. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 04:05, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

:I've taken care of this in the site updates listed on my user page. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 12:40, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

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2008-07-14T14:33:01Z

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User talk:Senso

2008-05-04T16:08:54Z

Janus: /* GreyMario */

I used to go by the name Admin on the previous wiki.

Contact Info

- sensoz@gmail.com

- PM me on SA: Senso

== A request ==

Hullo! I've got a request that's fairly minor, though it's something only doable by an admin - copying the 'collapsible tables' code from Wikipedia's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js] to [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] (or might have to be [[MediaWiki:Monobook.js]], I'm not sure if the configuration on this particular install is different). This would mainly be for the benefit of things like [[Template:Creatures]], to keep them as useful (go directly to related pages without loading a category page in-between) but without taking so much space on the screen. --[[User:Sukael|Sukael]] 15:50, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

: Done. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 16:20, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

:: Thanks! As you can see at [[Template:Creatures]], it looks to be working perfectly. --[[User:Sukael|Sukael]] 21:12, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

:::That's pretty fucking sweet. I didn't even know you could do that with MediaWiki. :)

== Wikipedia links ==

I've just noticed that when I'm not logged in, a link to a random Wikipedia help topic appears on every page in small font in the upper right. Is there any way to disable it? Most of the topics I've seen so far are pretty specific to Wikipedia and don't really belong here. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 15:28, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:Yes, it's annoying - I'll look into it. It seems to be well hidden into an obscure CSS file. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 16:33, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:I don't know what's causing it, but putting this in [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] should hide it:
div#anontip{
display:none;
}
:--[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 21:13, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

::Thanks, this seems to have fixed it. If you still see the links, do a full refresh. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 10:28, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

:::The wiki looks weird to me now. The page is rendered under the left toolbar, making it impossible to read and click links on that side.[http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/TurgidBolk/dfwikimessed.png screenshot]. It's with skins besides Monobook, and it looks fine in IE (but not in Opera). Is there some way I can fix it? If not, I could just live with another skin I suppose. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 22:56, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

::::I have the same problem (I use Opera as my main browser), I fired off an e-mail to Senso so he can fix it. It's incredibly annoying right now. —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 02:23, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

:::::'''It should be fixed now''', my apologies. I had put the code in Monobook's main CSS file so I removed it. If you still have issues, clear your browser cache and refresh the website. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 08:37, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

::::I've removed it. It works perfectly fine in Firefox but since it breaks Opera, I'll try to find a permanent solution, in the monobook CSS files directly. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:48, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

::I've found out what's actually causing it. In [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] there's this line:
<code><pre>
document.getElementById("contentSub").innerHTML +='<div style="position:absolute; z-index:100; right:100px; top:0px;" class="metadata" id="anontip"><div style="text-align:right; font-size:87%">• ' + messageEdu[whichMessageEdu] + ' •</div></div>';
</pre></code>
::Just remove it (search for 'anontip') and the tips should go away. (Alternately, you could change the "messageEdu[x] = 'foo';" lines to Dwarf Fortress related lines =) --[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 15:53, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

:::Well that seems to work! I've removed the line, logged out and refreshed - I don't see the quote anymore and the menus don't look broken. Can someone with IE and Opera let me know if everything is working correctly? --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 08:31, 25 March 2008 (EDT)
::::Confirming that Opera still works. —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 10:19, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

== Old Bloodline article in main namespace ==

There is probably an article named [[Bloodline:Outpost Ducimemal]] in the main namespace that redirects to Outpost Ducimemal, which in turn redirects to the Bloodline namespaced Outpost Ducimemal. This is causing some confusion on the double redirects page. Is there any way to fix this? I can't seem to get at the mainspaced article to fix the redirect (though it would probably best be just to delete it). --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 20:20, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Thanks, I've deleted [[Outpost Ducimemal]], which was a redirect to [[Bloodline:Outpost Ducimemal]] since I added the namespace. I don't think [[Bloodline:Outpost Ducimemal]] redirects to anything. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 22:27, 6 November 2007 (EST)
:: It now shows up in [[Special:BrokenRedirects]]. This page exists from prior to the bloodline namespace being created and thus was in the main namespace but is now effectively masked by the bloodline namespace article. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 13:32, 7 November 2007 (EST)
:::The MediaWiki manual has some instructions on [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces#Dealing_with_existing_pages dealing with this]. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 15:11, 7 November 2007 (EST)
::::Even easier: I've manually deleted the redirects in MySQL. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:35, 7 November 2007 (EST)

== Database wiredness ==

Since you've fixed this before...

[[Special:Special pages]] -> [[Special:Lonelypages|Orphaned Pages]] -> How do I stop my retarded miners falling in channels as they dig them?

This gets redirected to ''How do I stop miners from falling in channels as they dig them?'' - however, it is not the same one you go to if you hit that page directly or through the FAQ. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 18:52, 6 December 2007 (EST)

:I'm looking into this. It seems that putting the '?' character in the title tends to break things.

== Vandal ==

We have a user blanking the main page and replacing it with racist slurs. [[Special:Contributions/spanky]]. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:25, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Hi. [[User:Billdauterive]] ([[Special:Contributions/Billdauterive|contribs]]) keeps reverting the [[Goblin]] article to call them "pedophiles". Could you block his account or ban him, at least temporarily? After five edits it's just annoying. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 14:35, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:I have reported it on [[SpamReport]] also, mirroring the old page on the old Wiki. If something like this happen again, should I come here to report it instead? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:24, 12 December 2007 (EST)

::I'm watching both pages but I'd say [[SpamReport]] is better. I've warned the guy, I'll block him if he does it again. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:32, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Just to make sure that you were aware of it, please take knowledge of this matter posted on the main DF forum: [[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001513]]. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 21:17, 1 January 2008 (EST)
:Seems to have been taken care of... --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 12:23, 25 February 2008 (EST)
::Yes, the day after this was posted. :) --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 11:50, 26 February 2008 (EST)

== SVG ==

I can't upload SVG images. Is this deliberate, or an oversight? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:44, 5 February 2008 (EST) 
I don't actually have any SVG images to upload, but I expect that some diagrams will be SVG if possible.

:I'll look into this but I think it's disabled by default. I'd need to install a plugin to have full SVG support. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 11:22, 7 February 2008 (EST)

== Wiki logo in upper-left corner ==

I just noticed that it is a resize, and shows, so I put together another version tile-by-tile with the tiles 5x8 (which isn't quite the 8x12 ratio; it is compressed horizontally by 6.25%). --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:05, 5 February 2008 (EST) 
[[Image:WikiLogo_4fa619.png]]

:Thanks, I've replaced the old logo. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 11:20, 7 February 2008 (EST)

== Odd. ==

[http://imgplace.com/image/view/50645bd2d36fb631cef55c91c6b4f016 This] shouldn't be happening. 
Not the strange colors - that's GIF. The left-hand menu is placed far below where it should be. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:45, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

:Here too, and it is really annoying --[[User:Nitem4re|Nitem4re]] 16:58, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

::Should be fine now, do a full refresh. Let me know if other problems remain. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 12:18, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

== Blank pages ==

During about midnight (CDT) last night the main page was loading as a blank page. I did some experimenting during that time and any page with the #expr parser function failed to load. This is very strange. Possibly a bug in the ParserFunctions extension. I tested it using <nowiki>{{#expr: 1 + 1}}</nowiki> which normally evaluates just fine to {{#expr: 1 + 1}}. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 02:40, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

:I've done some tests right now and it seems to work fine. Are you still experiencing that? It could have been an issue with my host. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 09:31, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

::It was a temporary problem. I'll keep an eye out to see if it happens again. If it's not a regular issue, we can probably ignore it. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:17, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
::(If it recurs, it will be really easy to notice because the main page won't show up) [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:19, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

:::I noticed the main page being blank at that time as well. The odd thing was that other pages besides the main page were still accessible at my end.--[[User:Richards|Richards]] 11:57, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

== [[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] ==

I've noticed some overly aggressive editing by this guy. While in general, it might just be bad form, today it was over the line. 
He decided it was his job to blank and mark for deletion another user's user page. [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Corhen&curid=5449&oldid=24559] 
I'm unsure how to address him about this matter, and the likely hood (given past behavior) of something similar happening again. 
I'd readily give him a "Don't Bite The Newbies" link or something similar if this was Wikipedia, but I don't know how closely we're trying to maintain our format in comparison. 
 
Passing this matter up for your review. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 22:19, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

:Umm... The "Corhen" page is not in fact a user page. Corhen does also have a user page, which hasn't been touched by anyone else. Just wanted to clarify, since it looks like you missed that. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 12:08, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

User:Janus/DFFD

2008-04-07T08:44:28Z

Janus: site update: new "Rankings" page

My [http://dffd.wimbli.com/ Dwarf Fortress File Depot] file hosting site is open for public use. 
As long as your file has something to do with Dwarf Fortress and is not copyrighted material (or if you have permission to redistribute it), you are welcome to host it on the site. Mods, utilities, succession games, pregenerated worlds, tilesets in BMP format, and anything else along those lines are exactly what the site is intended for. 
Registration is not required to download files from the site. However, registered users can upload files as well as rate them and comment on them.

== Updates ==

=== April 7, 2008: ===
*Added entirely new [http://dffd.wimbli.com/rankings.php "Rankings" page] to the site. This new page will let you view the full list of files sorted by any of the following: last update, downloads per day, total downloads, rating, views, file size, or number of comments. Just click on the appropriate column header to change the sort method.

=== April 3, 2008: ===
*Ratings were bugged and not displaying the actual correct values, and were additionally calculated incorrectly to begin with. This has been fixed, and the stars now show finer detail in increments of 0.5. Text rating is switched to being a mouseover popup text from the rating stars image.
*Listings now track not just the total views and downloads for the listing, but also the views and downloads solely for the current version. These current version stats are reset whenever the author edits the listing and uploads a new file.
*You will now get a pop-up message if you try to submit a listing without actually uploading a file. If it is a new listing, it will give a simple notification pop-up. If you are editing a listing, it will give an OK/Cancel pop-up letting you submit your changes without uploading a new file.
*If you edit a listing and upload a new file for it, the listing's "last update" time will be updated. If you otherwise edit a listing without a new upload (to fix a typo or whatever), this "last update" time will not be changed.
*"Newest file" on statistics page now points to latest update (for edited listings) rather than just the original listing date; the "Newest files" RSS feed is likewise fixed.
*RSS feeds now give proper listing dates as well as a longer and better formatted description for each listing.
*"Highest rated" RSS feed now only lists files which have been voted on, and now sorts secondarily by number of votes (still primarily by the actual rating, and lastly by the original listing date). For example, with two listings rated at 4.2 where one has 6 votes and the other has 10, the one with 10 votes will rank higher.

*Due to the initial rating calculation having been completely wrong, unfortunately as a result (and due to how the rating is stored) '''I've had to delete all votes.''' My apologies, but everyone will need to vote again on any files which you had previously voted on. I've made a further change to how the ratings are stored which should ensure I never need to wipe the votes again for any reason.

User:Janus/DFFD

2008-04-07T08:42:31Z

Janus: moved info here from my user page

My [http://dffd.wimbli.com/ Dwarf Fortress File Depot] file hosting site is open for public use. 
As long as your file has something to do with Dwarf Fortress and is not copyrighted material (or if you have permission to redistribute it), you are welcome to host it on the site. Mods, utilities, succession games, pregenerated worlds, tilesets in BMP format, and anything else along those lines are exactly what the site is intended for. 
Registration is not required to download files from the site. However, registered users can upload files as well as rate them and comment on them.

== Updates ==

=== April 3, 2008: ===
*Ratings were bugged and not displaying the actual correct values, and were additionally calculated incorrectly to begin with. This has been fixed, and the stars now show finer detail in increments of 0.5. Text rating is switched to being a mouseover popup text from the rating stars image.
*Listings now track not just the total views and downloads for the listing, but also the views and downloads solely for the current version. These current version stats are reset whenever the author edits the listing and uploads a new file.
*You will now get a pop-up message if you try to submit a listing without actually uploading a file. If it is a new listing, it will give a simple notification pop-up. If you are editing a listing, it will give an OK/Cancel pop-up letting you submit your changes without uploading a new file.
*If you edit a listing and upload a new file for it, the listing's "last update" time will be updated. If you otherwise edit a listing without a new upload (to fix a typo or whatever), this "last update" time will not be changed.
*"Newest file" on statistics page now points to latest update (for edited listings) rather than just the original listing date; the "Newest files" RSS feed is likewise fixed.
*RSS feeds now give proper listing dates as well as a longer and better formatted description for each listing.
*"Highest rated" RSS feed now only lists files which have been voted on, and now sorts secondarily by number of votes (still primarily by the actual rating, and lastly by the original listing date). For example, with two listings rated at 4.2 where one has 6 votes and the other has 10, the one with 10 votes will rank higher.

*Due to the initial rating calculation having been completely wrong, unfortunately as a result (and due to how the rating is stored) '''I've had to delete all votes.''' My apologies, but everyone will need to vote again on any files which you had previously voted on. I've made a further change to how the ratings are stored which should ensure I never need to wipe the votes again for any reason.

User talk:Janus/DFFD

2008-04-07T08:42:23Z

Janus: DFFD talk moved over from my talk page

== DFFD Download Referer Blocking ==

Is there a reason you don't allow download.php links to work from the wiki? I don't see the need to have the user to view the download page from the page describing it to begin with.

If you could allow that, it would be nice. —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 22:56, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

:Yeah, that's a quirk with the way browsers handle redirection. The referer is checked for future load balancing between multiple download servers, and a direct link to download.php gives the wrong referer info to the download server after redirection. I've spent quite a lot of time trying to find workarounds for that same issue (I played around with every redirection method available) on another game file hosting site I have, with no success. This other site uses a lot of bandwidth (~2.5TB per month at the moment) and has just such a load balancing scheme to handle all of the downloads.
:So, I guess you could say it's a necessary evil. If I removed that restriction now and later have to put it back into place due to load balancing, it could lead to a lot of people needing to change their links then. I think it's better to have it remain consistent from the beginning, after having dealt with people having to update their download links to my other file hosting site. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 23:36, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

== New version uploads ==

When uploading a new version of a file, this does not reset the number of downloads and other information. See [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=74 tweak page] for an example, I recently uploaded 1.2.0.0 (old was 1.1.0.0). —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 03:11, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

:Well, the downloads and views counters not resetting (along with vote data and so forth) is intentional. That way it tracks the data through all versions uploaded. If you want to reset those counters for whatever reason, you can create a new listing and optionally delete the old one.
:However, I do need to fix the issue of updated listings not showing up as the latest file in the "Newest Files" RSS feed and on the Statistics page. It's just one of those details I haven't gotten to yet. Thanks for the feedback, I'll try to get that issue fixed in the next few days or so. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 03:29, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

::Maybe provide an option for resetting counters when editing a file? —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 03:29, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

:::I came up with and implemented what I think is a better solution, if slightly more complex on the server side. It now tracks both total views/downloads for the listing, and current views/downloads for the current file. Whenever you edit the listing and upload a new file for it, it will reset the current counters to zero. This will of course only take effect when you next upload a new file when editing your listing; listings which haven't been updated with new files will only display the standard listing counters. No files will yet show it on the main DFFD site yet since none have been updated since these changes were put in place, but you can see an example of the new view/download counters in action over on [http://test.fenrisoft.com/phcdownload-1.1.1/file.php?id=39 my test site here].
:::You can see the list of other site updates on my user page here. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 12:40, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

Also, it seems that the different upload mechanism is understandably a little confusing to people used to regular file upload/submission forms in that the file upload is embedded in the submission form and needs to be completed before submitting the listing.
I'll modify it to check and see if no file was yet uploaded and give you a message telling you as much if you click the button to submit the listing without uploading. It will be a simple "OK" option if it's a new listing, and a "Submit without uploading new file? Yes/No" option if it's an edit. Probably should have added that modification in earlier. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 04:05, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

:I've taken care of this in the site updates listed on my user page. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 12:40, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

User talk:Janus

2008-04-07T08:42:13Z

Janus: moving DFFD discussion to new DFFD page

User:Janus

2008-04-07T08:42:06Z

Janus: moving DFFD info to its own page

== Dwarf Fortress File Depot (DFFD) ==

My [[User:Janus/DFFD|Dwarf Fortress File Depot]] file hosting site may be of interest.

User:Janus

2008-04-03T17:07:39Z

Janus: DFFD: further update, unfortunate vote wipe

== Dwarf Fortress File Depot (DFFD) ==

My [http://dffd.wimbli.com/ Dwarf Fortress File Depot] file hosting site is now open for general use. 
As long as your file has something to do with Dwarf Fortress and is not copyrighted material (or if you have permission to redistribute it), you are welcome to host it on the site. Mods, succession games, pregenerated worlds, tilesets in BMP format, and anything else along those lines are exactly what the site is intended for. 
Registration is not required to download files from the site. However, registered users can upload files as well as rate them and comment on them.

=== Updates ===

April 3, 2008:
*Ratings were bugged and not displaying the actual correct values, and were additionally calculated incorrectly to begin with. This has been fixed, and the stars now show finer detail in increments of 0.5. Text rating is switched to being a mouseover popup text from the rating stars image.
*Listings now track not just the total views and downloads for the listing, but also the views and downloads solely for the current version. These current version stats are reset whenever the author edits the listing and uploads a new file.
*You will now get a pop-up message if you try to submit a listing without actually uploading a file. If it is a new listing, it will give a simple notification pop-up. If you are editing a listing, it will give an OK/Cancel pop-up letting you submit your changes without uploading a new file.
*If you edit a listing and upload a new file for it, the listing's "last update" time will be updated. If you otherwise edit a listing without a new upload (to fix a typo or whatever), this "last update" time will not be changed.
*"Newest file" on statistics page now points to latest update (for edited listings) rather than just the original listing date; the "Newest files" RSS feed is likewise fixed.
*RSS feeds now give proper listing dates as well as a longer and better formatted description for each listing.
*"Highest rated" RSS feed now only lists files which have been voted on, and now sorts secondarily by number of votes (still primarily by the actual rating, and lastly by the original listing date). For example, with two listings rated at 4.2 where one has 6 votes and the other has 10, the one with 10 votes will rank higher.

Due to the initial rating calculation having been completely wrong, unfortunately as a result (and due to how the rating is stored) '''I've had to delete all votes.''' My apologies, but everyone will need to vote again on any files which you had previously voted on.
I've made a further change to how the ratings are stored which should ensure I never need to wipe the votes again for any reason.

User talk:Janus

2008-04-03T16:40:37Z

Janus: /* New version uploads */ DFFD site updates

Hiya! Over on Rick's page, you said "I personally was looking forward to that info so I could use reveal.exe to examine potential fortress locations in newly created 33g worlds, so it is much appreciated." Would you be willing to beta-test a utility that may help you? It's the Seekret Projekt section of [[User:0x517A5D|my page]]. Leave feedback at [[User_talk:0x517A5D|my user talk page]]. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:17, 22 December 2007 (EST)
:Sure thing. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 21:44, 22 December 2007 (EST)

==Bauxite==
FYI, the reason bauxite is noted in map locations is because they're the only thing that you can make magma proof mechanisms from. 
Yes, iron and others are magma proof as well, but if you want to move the magma anywhere other than along a channel, then you need the bauxite. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 06:35, 26 January 2008 (EST)
:Well, technically, adamantine ore could make magma-proof mechanisms as well, right? ;-)
::Technically, yes... it'd make about as much sense as waiting to get Bauxite from the elves instead :P --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 16:41, 26 January 2008 (EST)

:When I posted that location I was thinking that raw iron could be used to make magma-proof mechanisms... not true, eh? I'll modify the listing. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 07:04, 26 January 2008 (EST)
::I think you can, but raw iron's melting point is the same as most stones. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 16:41, 26 January 2008 (EST)

== DFFD Download Referer Blocking ==

Is there a reason you don't allow download.php links to work from the wiki? I don't see the need to have the user to view the download page from the page describing it to begin with.

If you could allow that, it would be nice. —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 22:56, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

:Yeah, that's a quirk with the way browsers handle redirection. The referer is checked for future load balancing between multiple download servers, and a direct link to download.php gives the wrong referer info to the download server after redirection. I've spent quite a lot of time trying to find workarounds for that same issue (I played around with every redirection method available) on another game file hosting site I have, with no success. This other site uses a lot of bandwidth (~2.5TB per month at the moment) and has just such a load balancing scheme to handle all of the downloads.
:So, I guess you could say it's a necessary evil. If I removed that restriction now and later have to put it back into place due to load balancing, it could lead to a lot of people needing to change their links then. I think it's better to have it remain consistent from the beginning, after having dealt with people having to update their download links to my other file hosting site. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 23:36, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

== New version uploads ==

When uploading a new version of a file, this does not reset the number of downloads and other information. See [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=74 tweak page] for an example, I recently uploaded 1.2.0.0 (old was 1.1.0.0). —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 03:11, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

:Well, the downloads and views counters not resetting (along with vote data and so forth) is intentional. That way it tracks the data through all versions uploaded. If you want to reset those counters for whatever reason, you can create a new listing and optionally delete the old one.
:However, I do need to fix the issue of updated listings not showing up as the latest file in the "Newest Files" RSS feed and on the Statistics page. It's just one of those details I haven't gotten to yet. Thanks for the feedback, I'll try to get that issue fixed in the next few days or so. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 03:29, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

::Maybe provide an option for resetting counters when editing a file? —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 03:29, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

:::I came up with and implemented what I think is a better solution, if slightly more complex on the server side. It now tracks both total views/downloads for the listing, and current views/downloads for the current file. Whenever you edit the listing and upload a new file for it, it will reset the current counters to zero. This will of course only take effect when you next upload a new file when editing your listing; listings which haven't been updated with new files will only display the standard listing counters. No files will yet show it on the main DFFD site yet since none have been updated since these changes were put in place, but you can see an example of the new view/download counters in action over on [http://test.fenrisoft.com/phcdownload-1.1.1/file.php?id=39 my test site here].
:::You can see the list of other site updates on my user page here. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 12:40, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

Also, it seems that the different upload mechanism is understandably a little confusing to people used to regular file upload/submission forms in that the file upload is embedded in the submission form and needs to be completed before submitting the listing.
I'll modify it to check and see if no file was yet uploaded and give you a message telling you as much if you click the button to submit the listing without uploading. It will be a simple "OK" option if it's a new listing, and a "Submit without uploading new file? Yes/No" option if it's an edit. Probably should have added that modification in earlier. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 04:05, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

:I've taken care of this in the site updates listed on my user page. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 12:40, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

User:Janus

2008-04-03T16:28:16Z

Janus: DFFD site updates

== Dwarf Fortress File Depot (DFFD) ==

My [http://dffd.wimbli.com/ Dwarf Fortress File Depot] file hosting site is now open for general use. 
As long as your file has something to do with Dwarf Fortress and is not copyrighted material (or if you have permission to redistribute it), you are welcome to host it on the site. Mods, succession games, pregenerated worlds, tilesets in BMP format, and anything else along those lines are exactly what the site is intended for. 
Registration is not required to download files from the site. However, registered users can upload files as well as rate them and comment on them.

=== Updates ===

April 3, 2008:
*Ratings were bugged and not displaying the actual correct values. This has been fixed, and the stars now show finer detail in increments of 0.5. Text rating is switched to being a mouseover popup text from the rating stars image. [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=32 See an example of these changes here.]
*Listings now track not just the total views and downloads for the listing, but also the views and downloads solely for the current version. These current version stats are reset whenever the author edits the listing and uploads a new file.
*You will now get a pop-up message if you try to submit a listing without actually uploading a file. If it is a new listing, it will give a simple notification pop-up. If you are editing a listing, it will give an OK/Cancel pop-up letting you submit your changes without uploading a new file.
*If you edit a listing and upload a new file for it, the listing's "last update" time will be updated. If you otherwise edit a listing without a new upload (to fix a typo or whatever), this "last update" time will not be changed.
*"Newest file" on statistics page now points to latest update (for edited listings) rather than just the original listing date; the "Newest files" RSS feed is likewise fixed.
*RSS feeds now give proper listing dates as well as a longer and better formatted description for each listing.
*"Highest rated" RSS feed now only lists files which have been voted on, and now sorts secondarily by number of votes (still primarily by the actual rating, and lastly by the original listing date). For example, with two listings rated at 4.2 where one has 6 votes and the other has 10, the one with 10 votes will rank higher.

Utility Talk:Tweak

2008-04-01T06:38:24Z

Janus: /* Error report */

== Suggested Addition(s) ==

How hard would it be to adapt [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Utilities#Regional_Prospector Regional Prospector] [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/User_talk:0x517A5D#Seekret_Projekt 1] [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/User:0x517A5D#Seekret_Projekt 2] to this application? 
From what I've seen of your newest tool, it looks like it should become the standard for future 'tweaks' :p 
Thanks tons for your contributions to the cause! --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:41, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Oh, and one other idea...
Perhaps a small readme/guide for each of the tools? 
Something like those on the Utilities page would be fine. 

: It could probably be easily ported but I'm not sure I want to take someone elses work so quickly for Tweak. I am working on that kind of a list (see the Tile Edit link on the core modules list). —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 19:49, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

::List? RP doesn't make lists that I know of. And I know TileEdit can create magma/lava (which one is it btw? lava I'm guessing, since I don't think it can create a replenishing pipe in it's current form.) but unless I really get desperate, I'm not going to make a huge pool of lava to tap for various oddities. (i.e. traps/constructions) TileEdit's great for occasionally making a single tile of the stuff when it'd otherwise be a pain to get the liquid to the desired point, or for replenishing an already small source. Unless you're planning on making TileEdit capable of modifying regional tiles, (or alternatively, working like a designation for many tiles at once...) I don't see how it could relate to what RP does. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 17:31, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

:::As far as I can tell, the list in question is a list of readmes/guides like those on the Utilities page.
:::Magma = lava in an underground square. Lava = magma in an aboveground square. They are identical in all but name. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 19:52, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

::::Is there an as yet unidentified flag that causes replenishment? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 00:15, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

:::By 'list' I meant looking up what mineral types, etc, are in the current map. The module is called 'Survey', for obvious reasons. —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 00:39, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

::::Hmm.. well, unless you plan on doing that at an embark level, (as opposed to the in-fort level it sounds like,) it still won't be duplicating any effects that RP currently does. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 00:15, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

::::: I don't intend to duplicate the features of it. —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 01:04, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

== Help for the Noob(s) ==

Just downloaded the tweaker after some confusion, for the sake of healing the sole broker of my fort so he can get up and trade smartly enough to save my fort (to be filled with lava, but that's beside the point). Once I started it on up, all the modules but the address lookup were red, and the lookup only turns up <address name="starting_dwarf_count" value="0x00f77927"'.

I'm not entirely sure where to go from here... Any guide forthcoming?

: Red modules mean they are incompatible, I'm going to assume you are running on .38b, the latest is .38c, which Tweak has full support for. I did not bother to provide full support for .38b. —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 05:34, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

== Error report ==

For some reason, the latest version (1.2.0.1) crashes whenever I try to run it. This is with or without DF running. Version 1.1.0.0 on the other hand worked fine for me, and still does. This is the debugging info returned for the crash in 1.2.0.1:
An unhandled exception of type 'System.IO.FileNotFoundException' occurred in Gibbed.DwarfFortress.Tweak.exe

Additional information: Could not load file or assembly
'System.Core, Version=3.5.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089'
or one of its dependencies. The system cannot find the file specified.
This is with it directly extracted from the zip with proper folder structure, no changes made. I've also tried moving it out to a root folder on the drive in case the long path was confusing it with no success. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 01:04, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

: Sounds like you don't have .NET 3.5 installed. —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 01:53, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

:: Did version 1.1.0.0 not require it? That version has been working fine, and I could have sworn I had to install the .NET 3.5 Framework to get it working.
:: However, whatever the case, I've just (re?)installed the 3.5 framework and that does indeed seem to have taken care of it. Thanks. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 02:38, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

Utility Talk:Tweak

2008-04-01T05:04:19Z

Janus:

User talk:Janus

2008-03-31T08:05:10Z

Janus: /* New version uploads */

Hiya! Over on Rick's page, you said "I personally was looking forward to that info so I could use reveal.exe to examine potential fortress locations in newly created 33g worlds, so it is much appreciated." Would you be willing to beta-test a utility that may help you? It's the Seekret Projekt section of [[User:0x517A5D|my page]]. Leave feedback at [[User_talk:0x517A5D|my user talk page]]. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:17, 22 December 2007 (EST)
:Sure thing. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 21:44, 22 December 2007 (EST)

==Bauxite==
FYI, the reason bauxite is noted in map locations is because they're the only thing that you can make magma proof mechanisms from. 
Yes, iron and others are magma proof as well, but if you want to move the magma anywhere other than along a channel, then you need the bauxite. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 06:35, 26 January 2008 (EST)
:Well, technically, adamantine ore could make magma-proof mechanisms as well, right? ;-)
::Technically, yes... it'd make about as much sense as waiting to get Bauxite from the elves instead :P --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 16:41, 26 January 2008 (EST)

:When I posted that location I was thinking that raw iron could be used to make magma-proof mechanisms... not true, eh? I'll modify the listing. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 07:04, 26 January 2008 (EST)
::I think you can, but raw iron's melting point is the same as most stones. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 16:41, 26 January 2008 (EST)

== DFFD Download Referer Blocking ==

Is there a reason you don't allow download.php links to work from the wiki? I don't see the need to have the user to view the download page from the page describing it to begin with.

If you could allow that, it would be nice. —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 22:56, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

:Yeah, that's a quirk with the way browsers handle redirection. The referer is checked for future load balancing between multiple download servers, and a direct link to download.php gives the wrong referer info to the download server after redirection. I've spent quite a lot of time trying to find workarounds for that same issue (I played around with every redirection method available) on another game file hosting site I have, with no success. This other site uses a lot of bandwidth (~2.5TB per month at the moment) and has just such a load balancing scheme to handle all of the downloads.
:So, I guess you could say it's a necessary evil. If I removed that restriction now and later have to put it back into place due to load balancing, it could lead to a lot of people needing to change their links then. I think it's better to have it remain consistent from the beginning, after having dealt with people having to update their download links to my other file hosting site. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 23:36, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

== New version uploads ==

When uploading a new version of a file, this does not reset the number of downloads and other information. See [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=74 tweak page] for an example, I recently uploaded 1.2.0.0 (old was 1.1.0.0). —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 03:11, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

:Well, the downloads and views counters not resetting (along with vote data and so forth) is intentional. That way it tracks the data through all versions uploaded. If you want to reset those counters for whatever reason, you can create a new listing and optionally delete the old one.
:However, I do need to fix the issue of updated listings not showing up as the latest file in the "Newest Files" RSS feed and on the Statistics page. It's just one of those details I haven't gotten to yet. Thanks for the feedback, I'll try to get that issue fixed in the next few days or so. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 03:29, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

::Maybe provide an option for resetting counters when editing a file? —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 03:29, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

:::Not a bad idea. I'll probably add that feature in as well. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 03:32, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

Also, it seems that the different upload mechanism is understandably a little confusing to people used to regular file upload/submission forms in that the file upload is embedded in the submission form and needs to be completed before submitting the listing.
I'll modify it to check and see if no file was yet uploaded and give you a message telling you as much if you click the button to submit the listing without uploading. It will be a simple "OK" option if it's a new listing, and a "Submit without uploading new file? Yes/No" option if it's an edit. Probably should have added that modification in earlier. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 04:05, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

User talk:Janus

2008-03-31T07:32:16Z

Janus: /* New version uploads */

Hiya! Over on Rick's page, you said "I personally was looking forward to that info so I could use reveal.exe to examine potential fortress locations in newly created 33g worlds, so it is much appreciated." Would you be willing to beta-test a utility that may help you? It's the Seekret Projekt section of [[User:0x517A5D|my page]]. Leave feedback at [[User_talk:0x517A5D|my user talk page]]. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:17, 22 December 2007 (EST)
:Sure thing. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 21:44, 22 December 2007 (EST)

==Bauxite==
FYI, the reason bauxite is noted in map locations is because they're the only thing that you can make magma proof mechanisms from. 
Yes, iron and others are magma proof as well, but if you want to move the magma anywhere other than along a channel, then you need the bauxite. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 06:35, 26 January 2008 (EST)
:Well, technically, adamantine ore could make magma-proof mechanisms as well, right? ;-)
::Technically, yes... it'd make about as much sense as waiting to get Bauxite from the elves instead :P --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 16:41, 26 January 2008 (EST)

:When I posted that location I was thinking that raw iron could be used to make magma-proof mechanisms... not true, eh? I'll modify the listing. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 07:04, 26 January 2008 (EST)
::I think you can, but raw iron's melting point is the same as most stones. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 16:41, 26 January 2008 (EST)

== DFFD Download Referer Blocking ==

Is there a reason you don't allow download.php links to work from the wiki? I don't see the need to have the user to view the download page from the page describing it to begin with.

If you could allow that, it would be nice. —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 22:56, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

:Yeah, that's a quirk with the way browsers handle redirection. The referer is checked for future load balancing between multiple download servers, and a direct link to download.php gives the wrong referer info to the download server after redirection. I've spent quite a lot of time trying to find workarounds for that same issue (I played around with every redirection method available) on another game file hosting site I have, with no success. This other site uses a lot of bandwidth (~2.5TB per month at the moment) and has just such a load balancing scheme to handle all of the downloads.
:So, I guess you could say it's a necessary evil. If I removed that restriction now and later have to put it back into place due to load balancing, it could lead to a lot of people needing to change their links then. I think it's better to have it remain consistent from the beginning, after having dealt with people having to update their download links to my other file hosting site. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 23:36, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

== New version uploads ==

When uploading a new version of a file, this does not reset the number of downloads and other information. See [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=74 tweak page] for an example, I recently uploaded 1.2.0.0 (old was 1.1.0.0). —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 03:11, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

:Well, the downloads and views counters not resetting (along with vote data and so forth) is intentional. That way it tracks the data through all versions uploaded. If you want to reset those counters for whatever reason, you can create a new listing and optionally delete the old one.
:However, I do need to fix the issue of updated listings not showing up as the latest file in the "Newest Files" RSS feed and on the Statistics page. It's just one of those details I haven't gotten to yet. Thanks for the feedback, I'll try to get that issue fixed in the next few days or so. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 03:29, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

::Maybe provide an option for resetting counters when editing a file? —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 03:29, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

:::Not a bad idea. I'll probably add that feature in as well. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 03:32, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

User talk:Janus

2008-03-31T07:29:05Z

Janus: /* New version uploads */