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40d Talk:Miasma

2009-05-05T18:10:00Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Range */ new section

== Miasma Trap ==

What's the point of a trap that doesn't affect enemies?
Seems about as pointless as a mist trap. --N9103 20:41, 20 December 2007 (EST)
: Revenge. --[[User:Chrispy|Chrispy]] 10:35, 25 March 2008 (EDT)
:: You can give your enemies a bad thought hopefully turning them insane and killing their own kind --[[:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]]

:::That only would even come CLOSE to working with a lot more than just one 'mist trap.' Plus, it would have no effect against creatures with the [NOTHOUGHT] tag. ~ [[User:Midna|Midna]] 15:54, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Subterranean or Indoors? ==

Playing an aboveground Fort, and I noticed that my refuse pile isn't making miasma, even though it is indoors. Anyone know if refuse makes miasma on light/dark squares as opposed to indoors/outdoors/subterranean?
I'd test it, but I'm not good at testing things. --[[User:Wolenber|Wolenber]] 03:26, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

== What do I need to wall off? ==

Let's say my fortress has no cats and no hostiles. To have perfect miasma containment, is there anything I need to wall off besides the butcher's shop and the kitchen? [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 21:41, 17 November 2008 (EST)

:The refuse pile. Or, better yet, keep it outdoors. And if you have the food to spare, keep it outdoors to and record how long it takes to rot. Armok knows we need to know that. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 21:54, 17 November 2008 (EST)

:If you've got stuff rotting in the kitchen, you need more dedicated food haulers. And if you want to be making bone bolts at some point (I highly recommend this), you should keep a bone pile inside, since refuse outside the fort disappears after a season. Bones don't rot, so miasma's not an issue.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 22:20, 17 November 2008 (EST)

::Of course I will ideally have no food rotting in the kitchen. The question is whether it's worth the decreased mobility to wall it off in case something somehow rots (e.g. my dwarves all go to bed right after a big roast is created). Same question for the butcher's workshop. [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 22:25, 17 November 2008 (EST)

:::Butchering produces [[chunk]]s, which always rot. (Skins rot quickly as well -- it's hard to get tanners to process them in a timely manner.) So, yes, definitely wall off your butcher's shop -- in fact, create a big walled-off corpse pile if you're doing hunting or have an animal-killing trap setup, and plunk your butcher's shop(s) and tanner's shops in the middle of it. Put a craftsdwarf's shop nearby as well to make bone bolts.

:::After the first year or so, your dwarves' sleep schedules will desynchronize. It's a bit of an art to match the number of food haulers to the amount of food generated, though. It becomes easier once you max out on seeds (none will be generated if you've already got 200 or more of that type). Seeds require an army of food haulers, even though hauling them is a total non-priority since they won't rot.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 23:03, 17 November 2008 (EST)

::::Will it really be necessary to wall off the tanner's shop if I keep my skins stockpile walled off near my butcher's shop? Still thinking about the kitchens...

::::Also, I wonder if the fact that the sleep schedules desynchronize has anything to do with [[cave adaptation]]. [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 00:01, 18 November 2008 (EST)

:::::Don't bother using a skins stockpile. Either your tanners will get to them in time, straight out of the butcher's shop, or they'll rot along with the chunks.

:::::Avoiding miasma isn't super-important, anyway: miasma is only -2 to -10 according to the [[thought]]s page (not sure what causes the variation). Just create a walled-off butchering/tanning/carving area in the middle of a refuse stockpile and use lots of dedicated food haulers (add in item/refuse/furniture/stone hauling once you conquer the food surplus). The remaining major source of miasma is dead vermin, especially ones that cats kill, since they carry them to their owners as "gifts" (heh, damn that Toady). Vermin only rots once, though, then it's gone. Grin and bear it.

:::::Sleep schedules desynchronize due to different amounts of time needed to reach a bed, different toughness levels, and immigrants who are synchronized within their own group and desynchronized with everyone else.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:15, 18 November 2008 (EST)

::::::Hmmm... I'm planning to try and minimize cats and use dwarven trappers to deal with vermin. Trapping doesn't produce strange moods. [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 19:47, 18 November 2008 (EST)

== Spread the Filth? ==
Can a refuse object generate miasma while being carried, or only an object left on an indoor floor? what impact does moving an object around have on its chance/timer for miasma-production? --[[User:FJH|FJH]] 15:15, 18 February 2009 (EST)

== Range ==

How many squares does miasma spread from the origin source? I'm setting up a garbage chute and I'm trying to determine how deep it needs to be to avoid having haulers exposed. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 18:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

40d:Dungeon master

2009-05-05T13:26:07Z

HeWhoIsPale:

{{Noble
| noble=Dungeon Master
| quarters=Quarters
| dining=Dining Room
| office=Office
| tomb=Burial Chamber
| stands=1
| racks=1
| chests=1
| cabinets=1
| arrival=
* 50 population
* Discover site feature
| function=
* Tame exotic animals
}}
:''"The dungeon master ponders fell beasts and treasure."''

The '''dungeon master''' is a [[noble]] and, like the [[expedition leader]], is not a position that can be replaced by the player. S/he arrives as an [[immigrant]] and is not elected. The dungeon master arrives in a fortress' first immigrant wave after reaching a population of 50 if certain site features are present like [[magma]], a [[river]] or a [[brook]] (as [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=13243.msg122185#msg122185 confirmed] by Toady One). [[Toady]] has signaled the intention that the site feature should initially be hidden; the dungeon master would only arrive after the feature is discovered; currently this is not (yet) the case. {{version|0.27.176.38c}} The dungeon master may also arrive alone, without immigrants.

The dungeon master has a somewhat... odd taste in clothing. He or she often shows up wearing a cloak, hood, and mittens, with nothing underneath. The dungeon master will often procure more cloaks to wear over the first at your fortress. This is because the dungeon master is insane.

The presence of this noble allows taming of exotic [[animals]] (by the dungeon master as well as other animal trainers). Exotic animals are animals with the [PET_EXOTIC] tag.

The dungeon master arrives with skills from both the [[metalsmith]] and [[ranger]] groups at (''no adjective'') skill level. These skills are:
*[[Animal trainer]]
*[[Animal caretaker]]
*[[Furnace operator]]
*[[Metal crafter]]

Additionally, Dungeon masters have [[armorsmith]], [[weaponsmith]]ing and [[metalsmithing]] turned on even though they possess no base skill. At the moment{{version|0.28.181.40d}} since there is no way of adjusting a noble's jobs this means s/he could start taking over any of these crafts from a more skilled [[dwarf]] unless Workshop Profiles are used on the forge to prevent such.

All dungeon masters like [[copper]], [[silver]], [[electrum]], [[gold]], [[platinum]], and cloaks{{verify}} among other things.

[[Category:Nobles]]

40d Talk:Gem

2009-04-27T17:59:29Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Large Gems */

most of the gems have specific environments, but it would be a huge pain to organize it [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:12, 9 November 2007 (EST)

Toady One said under such metals as [[Bismuth bronze]] that he was trying to avoid using names specific to real-world places. I see several gems where he wasn't able to avoid it. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 23:10, 9 November 2007 (EST)

==Large Gems==
So... What's the difference between large gems and cut gems? [[User:Xaque|Xaque]] 09:42, 7 November 2007 (EST)
:Large gems are a "finished produce." Cut gems are used to decorate stuff [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:12, 9 November 2007 (EST)
::So how do I make large gems for a mandate? All the ones I have cut just end up ordinary sized (no label). [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 04:45, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
:::Ok there is a small percentage chance that a gem will be cut into a large gem. Had to cut some 20+ gems to fill my mandate. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 06:12, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
:::You make large gems by having a legendary gem cutter try several times. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 00:00, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
::::Actually, when a rough gem is cut into a large gem, is the large gem is a by-product (meaning a cut gem AND a large gem are produced) or is it that only a large gem is produced?
:::::A large gem is produced ''instead'' of a cut gem. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 17:59, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

== Glass bar ==
:''However, this appears to requires a Glass Bar, which is not possible to create at the current time.''
I'll have to double check this when I get back to the machine with dwarf fortress on it - but I seem to recall being able to make 'raw glass' which made a glass block.
I would also suggest changing the redirect for glass to gem - there is a significant amount of material that is unique to glass that is not appropriate for gems in general. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 03:22, 10 November 2007 (EST)
::Can't make glass bars. You can make raw glass which comes out as a rough gem, or you can make glass blocks. Glass blocks are not gems and one cannot become the other. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 00:00, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

== Availability ==
Alright, during my hours of game play, I've found out that depth(in z-levels) and the maximum rarity/value of available gems within the current layer are connected. The deeper you dig, the more valuable gems you'll find. However... With modding I've discovered that it's impossible to find very valuable metamorphic, sedimentary and igneous extrusive only gems. Since those layers never reach the necessary depth. It also means that more valuable metamorphic, sedimentary and igneous extrusive only gems are a lot more rarer than their igneous intrusive counter parts. Could anyone conform this? [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 13:29, 20 November 2007 (EST)
:Whoops! I messed up the layers! Fixed it. Oh, and the rarity of a gem seems to be dependent on it's value. [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 08:58, 21 November 2007 (EST)
:Have you tried maps with steep cliffs? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 14:37, 21 November 2007 (EST)
::I haven't run tests on steeper than 4 Z-level cliffs, but from what I gather, the maximum rarity of gems available at the any given depth is calculated based on the relative depth not absolute depth. Meaning that, wherever you are, you need to dig the same amount of Z-levels to reach any specific rarity of gems. It's the same as stone layers. If there's a cliff within a biome, then the underlaying layers will begin at a higher Z-level below the cliff, depending on high the cliff is. I hope, that I'm not too confusing here... [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 08:38, 22 November 2007 (EST)
:::I suspect it may work by the listed depth. The number that shows up when you loo{{k|k}} at a tile, which refers how many levels you would need to count directly upward to reach the surface. On a severe cliff map you can easily have a "depth" of 15+ among the sedimentary layers. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 16:36, 23 November 2007 (EST)

:::: Once I found a star sapphire(?) quite shallow within the mountain, I found it when I was building my prison so I only had about 70 Dorfs at the time, bug or luck? [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 08:30, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

== Rock crystal ==

Can anyone confirm that this gem can be found in this version? In what stone layers/at what depth did you find one? It's material value should better be like that of a diamond because raw crystal glass is needed for moods from time to time.--[[User:Another|Another]] 09:38, 22 November 2007 (EST)

According to forum, people have round it [[User:Coelocanth|Coelocanth]] 12:24, 23 November 2007 (EST)
: I can confirm finding a cluster of rock crystal in ver 40d. It was on the bottom level of my map (z=134) in a layer of diorite. --[[User:Jellyfishgreen|Jellyfishgreen]] 16:37, 5 January 2009 (EST)
::I found some recently, but then lost the fortress so I can't tell you the level. I'm using version 40d. [[Special:Contributions/76.21.242.134|76.21.242.134]] 15:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::: Just got some, in a layer of diorite, too. It was the bottom layer. --[[User:Karl|Karl]] 20:08, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== Redirects ==

There should be a redirect for each gem type to the subsection containing that gem. For example, I just created [[Heliodor]] as <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Gem#Semi-Precious]]</nowiki>. IMO, any game item should go straight from the search box to the most relevant article: that is what redirects do.
So <s>if</s> when a whole slew of redirects show up linking here... yeah, ididit.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 04:55, 11 February 2008 (EST)

== What the various gems look like in real life ==

I got bored one afternoon and put together a website with pictures of most of the various gems listed in the game. It is located at [http://www.geocities.com/dwarven.gemologist]
--[[User:Dwarven Gemologist|Gemmy]] 16:04, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

:<nowiki>http://www.geocities.com/dwarven.gemologist/gems.html</nowiki>
:"Sorry, the page you requested was not found." --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 18:00, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

Wow, I thought after ten years of building websites that I would automatically double check my links. It's fixed now. --[[User:Dwarven Gemologist|Gemmy]] 01:05, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

==Organization==
:Is there any reason the page is organized as it is? Wouldn't it make more sense to sort gems alphabetically within rarity categories? Or at least group similar gems (ie, Opals, etc...) within rarity categories? Because the current layout is not useful for locating particular gems. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:02, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

::You're right. You should go and organize it.--[[User:Richards|Richards]] 01:11, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

:::Went ahead and did it, since it was getting on my nerves as well. --[[User:Sinergistic|Sinergistic]] 22:22, 4 January 2009 (EST)

:::: Ok, the current setup is nice, it's alphabetized, but I was just looking at the [[creatures]] page, and it hit me. Why don't we do the same thing for the gems page? We could sort it by name, value and location. However, I don't know how the wiki syntax for that would work. I will attempt to figure it out for my self unless someone wants to point me in the right direction. I was thinking of just adapting the creature page to the gems page, but the more I look at it, the more I think it was written excusivily for the creature page. I shall investigate. --[[User:Sinergistic|Sinergistic]] 19:05, 7 January 2009 (EST)

:::::It's possible - it just takes some time. Which I don't have as I'm currently supposed to be working on a school project. Btw, if you're curious, [[Template:Creature table head|header template]], [[Template:Creature table row|row template]], [[Template:Creature table footer|redundant footer template]]. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 19:20, 7 January 2009 (EST)

:::::: Sweet, that worked wonderfully. I think it looks much better now! --[[User:Sinergistic|Sinergistic]] 21:06, 7 January 2009 (EST)

:::: If the gems were named backwards (Jasper, brown) then similar types of gems would end up together alphabetically. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:36, 11 January 2009 (EST)

== quality ==

can gem cuts get quality modifiers?
:no, but normal rough gems will occasionally be cut into a large gem- the item does get a quality modifier. (and that is usually how legendary gem cutters are born)

== moonstone ==

isn't a gem unless some new version was released
:Yep, it is a gem. I can post a screencap if needed. --[[User:Toloran|Toloran]] 21:16, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

:: I found it t0o... I'll see if I can add the info. [[User:Zara|Zara]] 11:45, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

{{game Data|
[MATGLOSS_STONE:MOONSTONE]

[VALUE:2][COLOR:7:7:1][TILE:15][GEM:moonstone:STP]

[ENVIRONMENT:METAMORPHIC:CLUSTER_SMALL:100]}}[[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:25, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

== Game vs. Real Gem Locations ==

Am I the only one getting annoyed at some of the bizarre decisions made by Toady One with respect to gems? Rubies and Sapphires are both produced in igneous rock, although generally mined from placer deposits because they are sparsely distributed. Ruby forms in extrusive igneous, typically basalt. Why they are found in Bauxite in the game I can't even begin to fathom, especially as Bauxite is only notable as an *aluminum* ore (although not within the technology level of the game). Placer deposits should be gravels or the sedimentary compressions thereof (probably sand and/or sandstone in the game, although that's not quite right because the game doesn't handle riverine deposits at all - or we should have dwarves able to pan for gold/gems).

And diamonds igniting when contacting magma is really funny considering Kimberlite is cooled magma that brought the diamonds up from the lower mantle.

--[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 11:14, 3 December 2008 (EST)
:I don't know enough geology to say anything about the Rubies and Sapphires, but the Diamonds catching fire does actually make sense. Diamonds are nothing but pure carbon, add a bit of oxygen and a good deal of heat and soon nothing will be left. The Diamonds form slowly as the magma cools into Kimberlite, and the reason they don't combust when surrouned by warm stone is due to the lack of oxygen for the carbon to bond with and the massive pressure. --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 13:24, 3 December 2008 (EST)

::Diamonds are much older than the Kimberlite deposits. They don't form in the Kimberlite - they form in the upper mantle and are brought to/near the surface by the Kimberlite. Most diamonds on the market are over 1 billion years old. So the actual diamond survives magma temperatures for its trip to the surface. Just because they're carbon doesn't mean that carbon is easily available for oxidation - at some temperature diamonds revert to graphite and then can burn, but that requires temperatures in excess of 1700 degrees C. As magma (in-game) is between 1300-1400 deg C, it shouldn't cause diamonds to become graphite, and thus they shouldn't burn. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 14:00, 3 December 2008 (EST)

:The thing that really gets to me is the adamantine. [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 18:22, 11 December 2008 (EST)

== Question ==
I'm still new to DF, and I'm wondering if there's any strategy I should be following to try to find gem stone. Currently I just dig long thin tunnels semi-randomly in the hopes of hitting something. Are there certain types of rock where gems are more likely? I have a dwarf in a mood who wants rough gems, but I can't find any around. --[[User:Emeraldemon|Emeraldemon]] 18:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

:Use [[exploratory mining]] and hope you hit something. --[[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 19:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Bedroom

2009-04-14T01:30:03Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Thoughts about chests */

==Free bed==
what does the option "free bed" do? --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 05:20, 8 February 2008 (EST)
:Why not just use it and see? Just as with other buildings - it will remove bedroom.--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 05:31, 8 February 2008 (EST)
::my impression is it leaves the bed to be taken as bedroom by its first user, which is not clear from the article. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 19:12, 8 February 2008 (EST)
:::AFAIK, that's just one effect of freeing it when the economy is not started up yet. [[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 15:49, 4 February 2009 (EST)
:Gee Dorten - you hang out at a wiki, which is meant to document the features and commands of a game. Being told ''just suck it and see'' is probably not why many ppl come here!
:To answer Koltom - '''Free bed''' - the bed becomes unallocated, available for reallocation by the player or for being taken over by the next dwarf to use it.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 09:15, 9 February 2008 (EST)
::OK, I'm sorry... btw, 'freed' bed will not become bedroom by itself. It'll be counted as hospital bed, dwarves sleeping on it will have unhappy thought (slept without proper room)--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 23:11, 10 February 2008 (EST)
:::Wow Dorten, still wrong. Healing of wounds is one use, yes, but the bed's just as available for any other dwarf without an assigned bed. (as GarrieIrons already pointed out) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 09:48, 12 February 2008 (EST)
::::He's not exactly wrong, he's just not stating what he means clearly. Using "Free Bed" on a bed (specifically, a bed that's being used as the "anchor" for designating a Bedroom) removes the Bedroom designation from the area that had previously been marked out. A bed that isn't in a designated Bedroom (either from that bed or another) is usable for sleeping, but will generate unhappy thoughts, as he mentioned. He is also saying that it will be given priority for use as a hospital bed - wounded Dwarves will be taken to these beds if available, rather than being put in a bedroom (I don't know if that part is true or not). --[[User:Nekojin|Nekojin]] 02:55, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

==Bedrooms and Furniture==

Do Dwarves have any issues with walking over furniture to get to other furniture? for example, if I have a 4x1 room, with a Cabinet behind a Bed, is that functionally the same as a 2x2 room with a Cabinet and a Bed? Or does the Bed cause any issues with a Dwarf trying to use the Cabinet? --[[User:Nekojin|Nekojin]] 02:49, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

:It doesn't appear so, to me. I've seen them roll across a room, right across a table someone was eating at, and neither of them seemed unhappy about it. The traveller was carrying an armor rack at the time. --[[User:Azaram|Azaram]] 03:15, 4 December 2008 (EST)

== Barracks ==

Dwarfs will seem to prefer sleeping on the floor of a barracks with no beds defined (thus a sparring ring) to an unroomed bed. Which is rather annoying since I don't want my fortress guard tearing shit up in my communal bedroom. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 15:03, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

Sparring and sleeping for soldiers will be seperated in a future version. For now, though, clearing more floor space might help, as might designating a barracks from a weapon rack or armour stand somewhere closer to the fortress meeting area/drink stockpile, as sparring dwarves seem to prefer this.

On a related note, soldiers and guards spend a lot of time in meeting areas, so placing a statue garden or the like right next one of these bedless barracks could have the benefit of both keeping your sleeping quarters from running red with blood, and allowing your dwarves to gain skill faster with a more efficent day! --[[User:Navian|Navian]] 08:35, 6 November 2008 (EST)

:They only actually spar in the barracks itself though. And for whatever reason, sparring neither endangers anyone else who's in the room, nor even wakes them up if they're sleeping. I have a communal barracks that everyone sleeps in and aside from "sleeping without a proper room recently", no one seems to mind. Actually, it's my zoo as well. I can only imagine what it's like in there. ;-) --[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 23:03, 6 November 2008 (EST)

:A bedless barracks works FANTASTIC before the dwarven economy starts up. With all the room in the world to manuever and dodge, I trained over 20 dwarves to legendary wrestling and legendary in 1 weapon school without a single fatal accident or nerve damage injury. My homeless dwarves just slept in a separate room with a bunch of beds that I left unassigned. Once the economy starts up, though, dwarves will no longer sleep in unassigned beds, and you have to have some beds in your sparring area. :( Toady has said that barrack behavior is going to change with the completion of the army arc, so let's hope this won't be so after the next release. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 01:37, 7 November 2008 (EST)
==Thoughts about chests==

In the article it says dwarves get bad thoughts from not having a chest in their room. I've never seen this. 40d. I added a verify tag and also put a part about hunters sleeping whereever they want.--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 19:41, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
:I have seen this. "has slept without a proper bedroom lately." It's either lacking furniture, or there's overlap with other rooms. I forget which cheating-the-dwarf-out-of-a-real-bedroom technique caused it. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 01:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

40d:Legendary artifact

2009-03-16T20:07:01Z

HeWhoIsPale: Makes more sense in usage section.

Dwarves in [[strange mood]]s will create '''legendary artifacts''': unique, "named" items which are of unsurpassable quality (and usually cost). An artifact is the ultimate expression of a [[dwarf]]'s desires, fears, memories and hopes in art form, and each dwarf will produce only one in their lives (or die trying). [[Dwarves]] that create an artifact are always granted the status of [[legendary]] unless they were [[Strange_mood#Possessed|possessed]].

Dwarves drop artifacts in the [[workshop]] or in an appropriate [[stockpile]] as soon as they are made. They can then be used just like other items. However, be warned that when a dwarf equips an artifact item (as a weapon or armour) he will never drop it, and may even carry around several artifact weapons in each hand{{version|0.27.176.38c}}. Of course, you might not see a champion [[swordsdwarf]] wielding eight artifact [[adamantine]] scimitars at once as a bad thing.

Artifacts cannot be destroyed unless lost in a [[chasm]] or dropped to the [[magma]]. They ''can'' be stolen by marauding parties; an artifact lost to you will have a note to that effect in the Artifacts screen(press {{k|l}}).

==Construction==
Dwarves will use anywhere from one to ten items in their construction. If you view ({{k|q}}) the [[workshop]] a dwarf has seized while the dwarf is in it, you can see what materials he or she plans to use (see [[strange mood]]s for further details). Once the dwarf has started to construct the artifact, you can also use {{k|t}} to see exactly what materials they have claimed.

Workshops which normally require fuel ([[Forge]], [[Glass furnace]]) do not require and will not use fuel to make an artifact at that shop. Magma versions which lose power, however, will immediately cause the moody dwarves mood to end (with disastrous consequences).

==Usage==
Currently, some artifacts can be used just like all other items, except that it cannot be traded to [[caravan]]s. Artifacts of types which can be built ([[furniture]], [[animal trap]]s, [[chain]]s, etc...) can be built as normal. Often artifacts of this nature are used to meet noble room requirements or establish high-quality dinning halls as a single artifact is typically capable of bumping a room up to royal quality on its own. Object types which are used for storage in stockpiles ([[bin]]s, [[barrel]]s) will be used by your dwarves without regard to their status.

Object types which require a dwarf to wear or use the item will generally not be used by your dwarves, with the exception of artifact weapons and armor. Artifact weapons and armor can be used by elite and [[champion]] warriors, although these warriors will refuse to relinquish ownership of the item even if you instruct them to wield different weapons or wear different armor - only their death will free up the artifact for reassignment. This means that an artifact axe can be wielded by your elite or better axedwarf, but could not be used for woodcutting. Similarly, an artifact pick will never be used by your miners.

==Quality==
Artifact items have a [[quality|quality modifier]] of 120×. This is applied on top of the item's [[item value#Base values of items|base value]], its [[decoration]]s and the value of all [[item value#Material multipliers|material]]s used in its construction.

Artifacts will automatically have one "free" decoration of the same type as its base material. For instance, a "Perfect Ruby" might have "Images of mangrove trees in Ruby". This decoration doesn't consume additional materials: in the above example, only one ruby was used.

Item types which normally require multiple objects to create (such as Platemail) will cause the moody dwarf to acquire that number of objects, but each such object will also contribute a decoration - basically, the item receives multiple free decorations. For example, artifact gold platemail will use a minimum of 3 objects (3 bars of gold), and have 3 gold decorations.

Artifacts can range in value from 2,400☼ to 7,200,000☼ (full-decorated adamantine Platemail). Since [[immigration]] totals are - among other factors - based on your fortress's "Created Wealth" (and held/worn items count double in the total), expensive artifacts are often the driving factor behind how many immigrants show up in the first years.

Artifact [[armour ]]and weapons have a high damage/protection modifier, at least greater than a similar [[iron]] item of basic quality. Though even [[steel]] artifacts will not surpass basic quality adamantine items. Note that the material of a [[crossbow]], artifact or not, does not change its shooting abilities, only its viability in melee. However, higher quality crossbows shoot better. For example, a masterpiece crossbow will shoot better than a finely crafted one.{{verify}} Only dwarves with hero status{{verify}} will use artifact weapons or armor.

It is possible artifact makers may occasionally glitch in the number of goods needed, with a corresponding increase in value (eg, [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=28232.0 this monstrosity]).
[[Category:Items]]
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40d Talk:Legendary artifact

2009-03-16T20:03:30Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Automatic Royal Wrong */

==What can become an artifact?==
What are some of the things that dwarfs can make into artifacts? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 03:59, 1 December 2007 (EST)
:Any item that your dwarves can craft and has a quality modifier can be made into artifacts. This includes armor, clothing, weapons, all kinds of crafts, furniture, cut gems and whatnot. Notable exceptions include coins(dunnae have quality modifiers), buildings(aint items) and babies(those rascals!). Bars, blocks, raw glass and other such base materials have no quality modifier and cannot be artifacts. I've never seen or heard about legendary meals, drinks and cloth/thread, so I think they can't be artifacts either. Though dwarves will say that they've eaten a legendary meal, when they've consumed a masterpiece meal. [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 06:02, 1 December 2007 (EST)
::Ive heard of someone creating a artifact meal and almost having it rot away before getting it into the food stockpile [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 11:00, 1 December 2007 (EST)
==Destruction==
On #bay12games, there was some question about artifacts being destroyed by magma. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Also ways to destroy artifacts which aren't listed: Trading, dumping in magma vent (the floorless bottom seems to count as chasm), and dropping a bridge on it. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 02:10, 20 January 2008 (EST)
:I can't imagine anything not made of a [[magma-proof]] base material *not* being destroyed by any significant immersion in magma. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:29, 20 January 2008 (EST)
::And yet because it's an artifact, it may have a special flag that prevents specifically that. Can anyone confirm non-magma-proof artifact destruction in magma? [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 11:52, 24 January 2008 (EST)
::Nevermind. I did. Artifact mechanism melted in magma. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 02:34, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
Can artifacts burn? After a very large confrontation with a couple dozen spirits of fire, my artifact kobold bone shield is putting off lots of smoke and burning anyone that comes near it, but isn't actually on fire (there's no !! next to the name). After about a year of it smoking up my fort, I channeled the ground under it and built a floor on top of it. 5 years later, it's still there, still smoking, and apparently hot enough to make the walls around it warm. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 16:44, 13 November 2008 (EST)

:By any chance is it encircled with bands of plutonium?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 17:33, 13 November 2008 (EST)
::Whoops, wrong bone shield. My other artifact bone shield is the buggered one: ''Tabaralen, "The Faithful Moth" This is a giant cave spider chitin shield. All craftsdwarfship is of the highest quality. Is is decorated with turtle shell and goblin bone. This object menaces with spikes of giant cave spider chitin, Native gold and Tower-cap. On the item is an image of two shields in Phyllite. On the item is an image of Tirist Leaderhammer the dwarf and dwarves in turtle shell. Tirist Leaderhammer is surrounded by the dwarves. The artwork relates to the ascension of the dwarf Tirist Leaderhammer to leadership of The Boats of Swallowing in 98. On the item is an image of Mosus Autumnstockade the dwarf in Phyllite.'' [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 10:06, 14 November 2008 (EST)

== Furniture ==

All right, so what can I do with a legendary [[lace agate]] [[hatch cover]]?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 03:20, 22 January 2008 (EST)
:<s>Same thing as 90% of Artis. Sell it or</s> Build it in a Noble's room. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 06:04, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:: Artifacts are not tradeable. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 08:19, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:::Really... that's weird then since I would swear that I sold a particularly valuable bracelet after killing off it's creator that was otherwise useless... Being that it was a good amount of time ago (possibly even pre-3D) that I actually *tried* to sell an arti, it's quite likely that time has muddled an attempt to sell into a successful sale. I suppose this somewhat nullifies my previous comment, since it's far less than 90% of artis which are buildable. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 08:46, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

We just endured a rather nasty goblin ambush (I'd built a nice castle but hadn't yet built a real military to go with it, so we huddled inside with the drawbridge up for a whole season while I had my dwarves equip and train a small army to "break out" with) and one of my peasants gave me the nicest present after we cleaned up; a legendary goblin bone door made out of the bones of our fallen enemies. I very much want to use this as our castle's main entrance door now. Does anyone know if an artifact's indestructibility applies to trolls and similar door-wreckers? Oh, I've got magma, so I'll make a copy of the save game and test whether magma can burn through such a thing too. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 15:30, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
:It's a constructed nonterrain feature, thus it's going to be knocked down by anything that deconstructs constructions. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 17:38, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

::Hmph. I'll put it a couple of layers deep inside my fortifications, then. Guests will pass through it but invaders will have to fight pretty hard to get there. I'll just have to be satisfied with my giant electrum drawbridge as a fancy front door. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 18:10, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

My current fortress desperately needs display cases or pedestals for artifacts... or statues could hold them; a legendary blowgun, two scepters and a mask would look cool on statues holding them or in cases. You can build furniture artifacts but currently the only way to "display" other artifacts is to create a stockpile for them. Hmm... imagine a legendary king's statue holding several other artifacts. Forced happyness on anyone walking past it. --[[User:Karpatius|Karp]] 05:42, 5 December 2008 (EST)
:I build museums; small, deeply-cloistered rooms with only one entrance from above and a sort of checkered fringe of alcoves. I put stockpiles in the fringe and traps in every other allowable space, forbid artifacts from all stockpiles, and watch them trickle in. Sometimes I let large gems in too. Still not quite a pedestal but a rather more decorous display than some random pile... --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 15:23, 10 December 2008 (EST)

== Artifact menu ==

I seem to recall stumbling across a list of the various legendary artifacts I had created. Can anyone tell me how to get to it again?
:If you're talking about current artifacts in a given fortress, you get a new menu option once you've produced atleast one in that fortress. (lowercase {{k|L}}) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 21:59, 22 January 2008 (EST)

much better
--[[User:NateAustin|NateAustin]] 17:36, 29 February 2008 (EST)

== Trade ==

Is it possible to trade legendary artifacts? I just got a legendary statue and it currently sitting my furniture storage. I 've tried to get my dwarves to bring it to the depot, but it doesnt show up on the trade list. Is it possible? [[User:Robje|Robje]] 18:09, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
:No, Artifacts are not tradeable. They will not even take them to the depot if they sit in a bin marked for trade. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 08:20, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

== Value ==
The value can be found under the artifact menur "l"
what is the maximum calue you have found on an artifact, mine is platnium high boot for 146400? --[[User:Corhen|Corhen]]
:There is a thread on the forums somewhere with this specific purpose. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 17:02, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

== "Finished Goods"-type Artifacts...? ==

I understand the point of furniture artifacts- they can be built and are great for nobles- but what the heck are you supposed to do with artifact rings/amulets/crowns/scepters/et cetera? I'm sitting on over 300,000 value worth of "Finished Goods" artifacts. I guess my dwarves don't like building furniture... --[[User:Borgin|Borgin]]

:You could abandon the fortress and come back in adventure mode. Artifact rings? Too good! --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 11:01, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

:There might be more point to those types if/when artifacts start getting special magical effects. That's probably a long ways off though. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 12:16, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

:But even in Adventure Mode, artifacts (besides weapons/armor) don't have much of a point, right? To be honest, I've never gone through Adventure Mode- ''it lags my laptop''. Sad, I know. But like BahamutZERO said, at least they'll gain some point ''eventually''... And hopefully soon. --[[User:Borgin|Borgin]] 23:46, 15 May 2008 (CST)

::Well you can trade 'em to merchants in Adventure mode, I'd imagine? Maybe not, I've never tried, and I doubt the shops sell anything you'd care about (ie masterpiece steel or adamantine weapons and armor). Still, I think it's fun to walk around wearing an artifact ring or amulet! At least until an archer kills you. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 02:45, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
:::As far as I can tell, artifact crafts/goblets/etc are used entirely for boosting your fortress created wealth stat. There is rarely a time when a sudden 200k added to that is trivial.--[[User:Dadamh|Dadamh]] 14:36, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

:::Artifact craft items work weird in Adventure mode: you can sell them to a shopkeeper for all their goods and cash, and just pick it back up and walk away without guards jumping you for thievery; you can even re-sell it to the same guy if he has any money left. This is a pretty blatant exploit, though of limited use (coins is heavy!). You cannot, however, fast travel with an artifact you've already sold. But what does a wandering professional spearelf do with a turtle bone crown, anyway? --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 21:25, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

== selling ==

is there a way to hack DF and be able to sell artifacts? --[[User:0todd0|0todd0]] 20:58, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== Artifact millstones and gems ==
My dwarves have made three artifacts so far; I know that my emerald flask is just for style, but what of the "Perfect Aquamarine" and the Millstone? Will some noble love having a mill placed in his bedroom, grinding away at all hours of the night when he's trying to sleep, or is it just going to annoy him? As for the aquamarine, can it be crafted into furniture? Will this raise the item's value exponentially? Will it still serve to elevate a room to royal status for satisfying noble needs? If no one has the answers to these questions, I'll do the research myself and post findings.
--[[User:Eddie|Eddie]] 14:33, 2 July 2008 (EDT)
::Go ahead and use the millstone -- it'll work just fine. As for the gem, it just looks pretty. Sometimes gem cutters make large gems, and you can trade them away.[[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 11:16, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

== Artifact quality modifier? ==

I know that the quality modifier for regular equipped items is 1.0... for masterful it's 2.0... But what is the modifier for artifact level items? I can't find it anywhere. --[[User:PrettyGrizzly|PrettyGrizzly]] 11:04, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
:The QUALITY modifier for artifacts is the same as Masterful, 2.0. The VALUE modifier of artifacts is MUCH higher than the Masterful's x12, though. :) AFAIK, the only difference is that only Legendary weapon/armor users can equip legendary weapons/armors. I may be wrong but I believe I read something to that effect a few months back. ----[[User:Borgin|Borgin]] 20:00, 12 August 2008
::I have yet to run into anybody who knows the quality modifier for sure. If you can find where either testing or a statement from Toady confirms what the modifier is, it would clear that up and be useful in several pages of this wiki. [[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 15:14, 11 December 2008 (EST)

== Too precious to put down ==

Am I the only one whose dwarves create legendary... [[floodgate]]s, put them down in the workshop and immediately pick them up again... then continue on with their merry lives just significantly weighed down?

I have never been able to use an artifact yet. My dwarves just never let them go!
[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 03:04, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

:That's never happened to me, fortunately. I've seen three legendary doors, a legendary grate, a legendary bed, and a legendary batman cabinet, and was able to place them all normally. In fact, I've never had a military dwarf who was skillful enough to be worthy of picking up a legendary weapon or piece of armor. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 04:37, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

:I do believe that, in earlier versions, artificiers would carry their artifacts with them until death ripped them from their icy fingers. Perhaps you're just using an older version...? [[User:Borgin|Borgin]] 20:04, 12 August 2008

== Weird Materials (and armour?) ==

"Artifact weapons won't be used by recruits and normal warriors, only by elites and champions." Does this include armour? Also, should we add somewhere that weird materials are possible? Platinum plate armour (which is AWESOME) and the like that aren't normally possible? (I know I've seen it said ''somewhere'', but it's not here) [[User:Droqen|Droqen]] 10:58, 27 July 2008 (EST)

: My Charbone Battle Axe says it should be written down SOMEWHERE :P ...as does my Kunzite Cabinet and Blue Garnet Statue. I have some crazy dwarves. Oh, and that thing about any room with an artifact in it being royal....bunk. I have an artifact Bismuth Chain in a throne room, place didn't get bumped up to royal status until I also threw in the artifact Oaken Hatch Cover. --[[User:Eddie|Eddie]] 11:51, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
:: I think that, more specifically, it is that ''most'' artifacts will bump up a room to royal but all. Example: I have a Purple Spinel Door (worth 48000) that bumped up three rooms at once to royal quality. --[[User:Toloran|Toloran]] 20:07, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Um, my craftsdwarf just got possessed, and he made a bone spear. "this is a rhesus macaque bone spear, highest quality craftsdwarfship, adorned with hanging rings of birch. does anyone how much damage it will do? is it even possible? [[User:Destor|Destor]] 10:32, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
:Bone gives a 0.5 damage multiplier, but being an artifact gives it a massive (though unknown) damage multiplier also. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 09:32, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

== availability ==
Is there a way to hack the game so you can make artifact weapons, even if the dwarf isn't in a fey mood? Or better, for them out of nothing? -Eddren, Fortress extraordinar

:Firstly, you signed incorrectly. Use four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) to sign with the name and date.

:Secondly, you spelled 'extraordinaire' incorrectly.

:Thirdly, no, not without modifying the source, which would mean you'd need to be a developer (which is, at the time of writing, just one person--Toady), or you'd need to decompile the executable to the base code (good luck with that). And after that, you'd need to be knowledgeable enough in the language it's written in to modify the code to suit your needs.

:In short, no. Wait for moods, like the ''rest'' of us do. And don't expect to be able to create '''artifacts''' out of '''nothing'''. ~ [[User:Midna|Midna]] 02:55, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

== Artifact Quine! ==

My Tanner claimed a leatherworking shop and produced a self-referential artifact: Lathonnunùr, "The Mythical Crevices", a donkey leather mask.
:This is a donkey leather mask. All craftsdwarfship is of the highest quality. This object menaces with spikes of dog leather and Alunite. '''On the item is an image of The Mythical Crevices the donkey leather mask in donkey leather.''' On the item is an image of Portalshades the alligator and dwarves in muskox leather. Portalshades in surrounded by the dwarves. The artwork relates to the rise of the alligator Portalshades as an enemy of The Problematic Sack in 29.
Presumably the image is recursive? Anyway, this artifact was apparently ''so cool'' that it created a disturbance in the Force which the dwarves back home managed to pick up, because the very next caravan to arrive offered an empty lead cage decorated with a (presumably also recursive) picture of The Mythical Crevices:
:This is a well-crafted Lead cage. It is decorated with exceptionally worked giant eagle leather and encircled with bands of exceptionally worked Ruby. On the item is a finely-designed image of The Mythical Crevices the donkey leather mask in Cassiterite.
(Note that I'm running with <tt><nowiki>[SHOW_ALL_HISTORY_IN_DWARF_MODE:YES]</nowiki></tt>, and my fortress started in the year 88. I didn't feel like waiting for the whole thousand-year history to generate — if you hit Escape during worldgen, you can start playing with the universe "so far". Useful thing to know.)
--[[User:Quuxplusone|Quuxplusone]] 23:40, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

== Reclaim Mode and Artifacts ==

It seems that if you have artifacts, lose your fortress, then reclaim, the artifacts are weirdly affected. Artifacts become sellable, for a start. This kinda makes sense because your dwarves don't care so much about someone else's artifacts, I suppose. The really odd thing, though, is that constructed artifacts (grates, doors, etc) seem to stop being artifacts. Shislugbumal becomes merely an elf bone throne - and if you view the items in the "building" the throne contains a Shislugbumal which isn't marked [B], can't be dumped or claimed, isn't listed in the stocks screen etc. And if the throne is deconstructed, it ceases to exist entirely. It does, however, still give a huge boost to the room value. Is this normal behavior?

PS: Damnit, every time I look to this wiki my dwarves all run off to be eaten by skeletal horses. Bastards. --[[User:Groveller|Groveller]] 10:57, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

== Adventure Mode Artfact Oddity ==
So I go to my fortress where two artifacts, a spear and a boot, happen to be still inside the forge. I take the spear and boot out, equip the spear, drop the boot, and look again. It shows that the spear and boot are still in the forge, with an additional boot outside the forge. Further, when I fast travel and end up fighting a bear, the spear is gone from my hand. Thankfully I'd kept the old one as a spare. Any ideas what's going on here? --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 14:57, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

== Only dwarves with a legendary skill will use artifact weapons or armor? ==
This bit was just added, but I thought it had been established that [[Soldiers#Heroes_and_Champions|heroes]] ("great" skill level or higher) can also use them, not just champions (legendary skill level). That selfsame data is referenced under [[Legendary_artifact#Usage|Usage]] in this article. I'd edit the article accordingly, but I'm not really sure of that fact; I just remember Toady mentioning offhand at one point something along those lines, that heroes could use them or similar. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 03:23, 9 December 2008 (EST)

== No fuel needed ==
Just noticed that one of my dwarves used a forge to create some artifact greaves with no fuel... Mainly noticed this due to the fact that he wouldn't use my magma forge, and I had to build a non-magma one to get him to make them... Not sure where to add this, and whether anyone else wants to confirm? [[User:Tr00st|Tr00st]] 04:36, 2 January 2009 (EST)

:Consider it confirmed. I've taken advantage of this multiple times. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 04:51, 2 January 2009 (EST)

::Also of note: Moody Dwarves that use a magma forge will only do so if and as long as it is powered. I've had a dwarf go into a frenzy when the forge he was using lost its power due to the shifting of the magma beneath causing it to lose power. --[[User:Eddie|Eddie]] 14:13, 2 January 2009 (EST)

== Controlled 'glitches' in item number ==
If you forbid an item the moody dwarf has already brought to the shop, it will grab a replacement item for that slot. However, if you unforbid the item afterwards, and the item is still there when he begins (ends?) construction, the previously forbidden items may be incorporated into the artifact.

:Example: Mangrodkast "Ashamed Genius": a fire imp leather shield
:This is a fire imp leather shield. All craftdwarfship is of the highest quality. It is encrusted with bauxite, decorated with leopard leather, and encircled with bands of fire imp leather, sturgeon leather, red diamond, green tourmaline, and nickel. This object is adorned with hanging rings of yellow diamond, donkey leather, and groundhog leather. On the item is an image of a cave spider in green diamond.
:On the item is an image of Ashamedgenius the fire imp leather shield in cave spider silk.
:On the item is an image of dwarves in yellow zircon. The dwarves are traveling. The artwork relates to the founding of Archspears by the Vestibule of Utterances of The Rags of Excavation in 30.

So, it includes: Fire imp leather, sturgeon leather, leopard leather, '''donkey leather''', '''groundhog leather''', bauxite, red diamond, green diamond, yellow diamond, '''green tourmaline''', nickel, cave spider silk, and (rough) yellow zircon, a total of 13 items. The bolded items I had forbade after they made it to the workshop because I wanted the dwarf to use more valuable items, and unforbade them after the dwarf brought such items to the workshop. I actually forbade a third piece of leather, which must have been put away (or possibly simply added to the job queue and thus unavailable) since it was not also added to the artifact.

--[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 05:03, 17 January 2009 (EST)

== Losing an artifact? ==

I just had my worst artifact ever (first and only of this fort, a possession, created a turtle shell idol worth 3k) stolen by a kobold thief. However, there's no note about the artifact being lost on the artifact menu like the page says. Bug, or should the page be updated?

:Re: Losing an artifact

:Not sure if i'm editting this right, I'm not good at wikis. Anyway, several seasons after losing that artifact, it's name simply -disappeared- from the list of my artifacts. Again this seems to disagree with the article...

== Automatic Royal Wrong==
An artifact furniture does NOT automatically make the room Royal. Case in point, my first artifact in my current fort- a wood bed with an image of cloud in pine. Only worth 3600, so no royal. Only grand. I suppose I should edit the article...
:Pretty much anything but the cheapest of artifacts will. Artifacts are usually more than valued enough to bump a room up to royal. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 20:03, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

40d:Legendary artifact

2009-03-16T20:00:31Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Quality */

Dwarves in [[strange mood]]s will create '''legendary artifacts''': unique, "named" items which are of unsurpassable quality (and usually cost). An artifact is the ultimate expression of a [[dwarf]]'s desires, fears, memories and hopes in art form, and each dwarf will produce only one in their lives (or die trying). [[Dwarves]] that create an artifact are always granted the status of [[legendary]] unless they were [[Strange_mood#Possessed|possessed]].

Dwarves drop artifacts in the [[workshop]] or in an appropriate [[stockpile]] as soon as they are made. They can then be used just like other items. However, be warned that when a dwarf equips an artifact item (as a weapon or armour) he will never drop it, and may even carry around several artifact weapons in each hand{{version|0.27.176.38c}}. Of course, you might not see a champion [[swordsdwarf]] wielding eight artifact [[adamantine]] scimitars at once as a bad thing.

Artifacts cannot be destroyed unless lost in a [[chasm]] or dropped to the [[magma]]. They ''can'' be stolen by marauding parties; an artifact lost to you will have a note to that effect in the Artifacts screen(press {{k|l}}).

==Construction==
Dwarves will use anywhere from one to ten items in their construction. If you view ({{k|q}}) the [[workshop]] a dwarf has seized while the dwarf is in it, you can see what materials he or she plans to use (see [[strange mood]]s for further details). Once the dwarf has started to construct the artifact, you can also use {{k|t}} to see exactly what materials they have claimed.

Workshops which normally require fuel ([[Forge]], [[Glass furnace]]) do not require and will not use fuel to make an artifact at that shop. Magma versions which lose power, however, will immediately cause the moody dwarves mood to end (with disastrous consequences).

==Usage==
Currently, some artifacts can be used just like all other items, except that it cannot be traded to [[caravan]]s. Artifacts of types which can be built ([[furniture]], [[animal trap]]s, [[chain]]s, etc...) can be built as normal. Object types which are used for storage in stockpiles ([[bin]]s, [[barrel]]s) will be used by your dwarves without regard to their status.

Object types which require a dwarf to wear or use the item will generally not be used by your dwarves, with the exception of artifact weapons and armor. Artifact weapons and armor can be used by elite and [[champion]] warriors, although these warriors will refuse to relinquish ownership of the item even if you instruct them to wield different weapons or wear different armor - only their death will free up the artifact for reassignment. This means that an artifact axe can be wielded by your elite or better axedwarf, but could not be used for woodcutting. Similarly, an artifact pick will never be used by your miners.

==Quality==
Artifact items have a [[quality|quality modifier]] of 120×. This is applied on top of the item's [[item value#Base values of items|base value]], its [[decoration]]s and the value of all [[item value#Material multipliers|material]]s used in its construction. (A single piece of artifact [[furniture]] could raise the value of any [[room]] to Royal, for example.)

Artifacts will automatically have one "free" decoration of the same type as its base material. For instance, a "Perfect Ruby" might have "Images of mangrove trees in Ruby". This decoration doesn't consume additional materials: in the above example, only one ruby was used.

Item types which normally require multiple objects to create (such as Platemail) will cause the moody dwarf to acquire that number of objects, but each such object will also contribute a decoration - basically, the item receives multiple free decorations. For example, artifact gold platemail will use a minimum of 3 objects (3 bars of gold), and have 3 gold decorations.

Artifacts can range in value from 2,400☼ to 7,200,000☼ (full-decorated adamantine Platemail). Since [[immigration]] totals are - among other factors - based on your fortress's "Created Wealth" (and held/worn items count double in the total), expensive artifacts are often the driving factor behind how many immigrants show up in the first years.

Artifact [[armour ]]and weapons have a high damage/protection modifier, at least greater than a similar [[iron]] item of basic quality. Though even [[steel]] artifacts will not surpass basic quality adamantine items. Note that the material of a [[crossbow]], artifact or not, does not change its shooting abilities, only its viability in melee. However, higher quality crossbows shoot better. For example, a masterpiece crossbow will shoot better than a finely crafted one.{{verify}} Only dwarves with hero status{{verify}} will use artifact weapons or armor.

It is possible artifact makers may occasionally glitch in the number of goods needed, with a corresponding increase in value (eg, [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=28232.0 this monstrosity]).
[[Category:Items]]
[[Category:Lore]]

40d:Silver

2009-03-02T20:05:26Z

HeWhoIsPale:

{{Metal|color=#FFF|bgcolor=#CCC|name=Silver|
|ore=
* [[Silver nuggets]]
* [[Horn silver]]
* [[Galena]] (50%)
* [[Tetrahedrite]] (20%)
|properties=
* [[Damage]]% 50
* [[Material value]] 10
|uses=
* Make [[billon]] at [[smelter]]
* Make [[electrum]] at [[smelter]]
* [[Bolts]]
* [[Weapon|Melee weapons]]
* [[Metalsmith's forge|Metal crafting]]
}}

'''Silver''' [[bar]]s are created from [[Silver nuggets]] and [[Horn silver]]. There is also a 50% chance of getting silver bars from [[Galena]], and a 20% chance from [[Tetrahedrite]]. Silver bars are used to create valuable goods and as a component for making [[electrum]].

Silver bars can also be used to mint [[coin]]s at a [[metalsmith's forge]]. Minted silver coins can be used in the [[economy]] system, as well as for trading. However, [[trading]] them with [[caravan|caravans]] is not a good idea as they have the same [[item value|base value]] as [[furniture]] and no [[quality]] levels, making them a poor value trade good.

[[Weapon]]s can also be made from silver (with the notable exception of [[crossbow]]s), but all other [[metal]]s that can be used for weapons deal more damage. The damage dealt by a silver weapon is the same as [[wood]]en ones: 50%. While this makes them a poor choice for outfitting your armies, it does make them a safe choice for [[sparring]]. Silver weapons have one benefit over wood: While you have to <s>put up</s> trade with <s>filthy treehugging sandal-hippies</s> [[elves]] to acquire wooden weapons, you can make silver ones yourself. Also, the <s>hippies</s> elves won't sell you proper weapons like [[hammer]]s and [[axe]]s, but only what amounts to wooden poles.

[[category:metals]]

40d:Region

2009-03-02T13:16:30Z

HeWhoIsPale: proof-reading is apparently for whimps

A ''region'' is an area of the world that you may select when choosing a location for your fort. There are 256x256 = 65536 regions in a large world. Each one is composed of 16x16 = 256 blocks of 48x48 = 2304 tiles each. This results in 38,654,705,664 tiles total ''before'' you take Z-layers into account.

Each region is made up of several [[biomes]] affecting available flora and fauna. A region also has a [[climate]], and may be in the presence of [[Regions#Surroundings|good]] or [[Regions#Surroundings|evil]] [[civilization]]s. Some information on what the region contains can be gathered from the [[Map legend]].

== Choosing a Region ==
When starting a new fortress, the game allows you to choose almost any regions on the [[world map]]. Different regions have different [[creatures]], [[tree]]s, or no trees, (depending on how mountainous the region is), different climates, maybe a source of [[water]], and either good or evil alignment.

A rough list of region types follows. The combination of these factors help make each game unique.

=== Summary of Biomes ===
''See [[biomes]] for a complete list of combinations.''
* [[Mountain]]
* [[Temperate]]
* [[Tropical]]
* [[Broadleaf forest]]
* [[Conifer forest]]
* [[Savanna]]
* [[Shrubland]]
* [[Sand desert]]
* [[Tundra]]

=== Temperature ===
''Too cold and you'll freeze, too hot and you'll die of thirst. Somewhere in the middle- [[dragon]]s will get you.''
* Freezing
* Cold
* Temperate
* Warm
* Hot
* Scorching

In colder [[climate|environments]], surface water will freeze for more of the year. Additionally, fierce enough cold will cause massive frostbite damage to extremities if outside too long (oddly enough, this tends to cause bleeding to death).
In hotter environments, surface water may evaporate faster than it is replaced by rainfall (so if there is no [[brook]] or [[river]] then there may be no source of water after a few months). Hot enough climates can even cause boil away any exposed alcohol.

=== Trees ===
''[[Tree]]s are good for [[wood]].''
*  None 
*  Scarce 
*  Sparse 
*  Woodland 
*  Heavily forested 

=== Other Vegetation ===
''Other means [[shrub]]s and bushes, or maybe cacti.''
*  None 
*  Scarce 
*  Moderate 
*  Thick 

=== Surroundings ===
[[Surroundings]] affect the types of plant life and wild [[animals]] which will appear in play. It is possible to start in a local region containing ALL THREE alignments of terrain type (good, evil, and neutral).

{| style="border: 0px; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; background: black"
| || '''Benign''' || '''Neutral''' || '''Savage'''
|-
| style="padding-right: 30px;"| '''Good''' || style="padding-right: 30px;"| '''Serene''' || style="padding-right: 30px;"| '''Mirthful''' || '''Joyous Wilds'''
|-
| '''Neutral''' || '''Calm''' || '''Wilderness''' || '''Untamed Wilds'''
|-
| '''Evil''' || '''Sinister''' || '''Haunted''' || '''Terrifying'''
|}

 
The [[creatures]] article has an Alignment heading that will tell you whether or not a creature can possibly show up in a specific alignment. Note that most creatures also require a specific [[climate]] to spawn in. Again, it's important to check the specific biomes making up your site. Once a [[creature]] spawns on the map, it is under no compunction to stay in its own biome and can roam as it pleases. Because of this, the specifics of what means what can be difficult to pin down sometimes.

 ''Good'' regions tend to have less aggressive and weaker [[creatures]], exception made for the pain-in-the-ass [[unicorn]]. Good regions also support the wild [[sun berry]], which makes the best [[booze]] in the game. There are generally slight changes between ''Benign Good'' and ''Savage Good''. The only serious problem that shows up in Good regions is, again, the [[unicorn]], which shows up in ''Benign Good'' regions but not ''Neutral Good'' or ''Savage Good''. It's worth noting that [[unicorns]] require generally temperate regions, so a ''Benign Good'' zone in a cold tundra will probably not spawn [[unicorns]].

 ''Neutral'' regions are the easiest to understand. They generally mimic the real world, with recognizable wildlife depending on the area. They can be quite dangerous depending on the region (much like the real world), holding anything from generally non-aggressive but physically powerful enemies such as [[gorilla]]s and [[elephants]] to the very aggressive and very dangerous [[giant eagle]]. As one might expect, ''Benign Neutral'' zones are really very safe, while ''Savage Neutral'' areas can pose some major difficulties, depending on the dominating climate and landforms. You'll find most of the standard aboveground plants in these alignments, such as [[prickle berries]], [[rope reed]], [[wild strawberries]] and the like.

 ''Evil'' regions are more dangerous than their ''Neutral'' and ''Good'' counterparts across the board. At their root, ''Evil'' regions are modified ''Neutral'' regions. In addition to a pack of other [[creatures]] that are nasty, dangerous, and spiteful such as [[beak dog]]s, [[harpy|harpies]], and [[ogre]]s, ''Evil'' regions modify their ''Neutral'' base by infecting many (but not all) of the indigenous [[creatures]] with various forms of [[undead|undeath]]. [[Undead]] have a resistance to piercing attacks (precluding Crossbow-heavy defenses) and are always far more aggressive than their living counterparts, and they leave a fraction of the corpse benefits (zombies fall down rotten and are unbutcherable, skeletons only leave bones). Clearly, hunting undead animals is pointless, and finding kills in a countryside crawling with [[undead]] is outstandingly dangerous. [[Undead]] shrubs are useless for gathering, too. Also, fish can be infected with undeath, and can even walk on land to attack fishermen. Even ''Benign Evil'' is very difficult for beginning players to earn a niche to work in, so it should be reserved for a challenge play only.

==See also==
* [[Biomes]]

{{World}}

[[Category:World]]

40d:Region

2009-03-02T13:11:41Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Temperature */

A ''region'' is an area of the world that you may select when choosing a location for your fort. There are 256x256 = 65536 regions in a large world. Each one is composed of 16x16 = 256 blocks of 48x48 = 2304 tiles each. This results in 38,654,705,664 tiles total ''before'' you take Z-layers into account.

Each region is made up of several [[biomes]] affecting available flora and fauna. A region also has a [[climate]], and may be in the presence of [[Regions#Surroundings|good]] or [[Regions#Surroundings|evil]] [[civilization]]s. Some information on what the region contains can be gathered from the [[Map legend]].

== Choosing a Region ==
When starting a new fortress, the game allows you to choose almost any regions on the [[world map]]. Different regions have different [[creatures]], [[tree]]s, or no trees, (depending on how mountainous the region is), different climates, maybe a source of [[water]], and either good or evil alignment.

A rough list of region types follows. The combination of these factors help make each game unique.

=== Summary of Biomes ===
''See [[biomes]] for a complete list of combinations.''
* [[Mountain]]
* [[Temperate]]
* [[Tropical]]
* [[Broadleaf forest]]
* [[Conifer forest]]
* [[Savanna]]
* [[Shrubland]]
* [[Sand desert]]
* [[Tundra]]

=== Temperature ===
''Too cold and you'll freeze, too hot and you'll die of thirst. Somewhere in the middle- [[dragon]]s will get you.''
* Freezing
* Cold
* Temperate
* Warm
* Hot
* Scorching

In colder [[climate|environments]], surface water will freeze for more of the year. Additionally, fierce enough cold will cause massive frostbite damage to their extremities if they are outside too long (oddly enough, this tends to cause them to bleed to death).
In hotter environments, surface water may evaporate faster than it is replaced by rainfall (so if there is no [[brook]] or [[river]] then there may be no source of water after a few months). Hot enough climates can even cause boil away any exposed alcohol.

=== Trees ===
''[[Tree]]s are good for [[wood]].''
*  None 
*  Scarce 
*  Sparse 
*  Woodland 
*  Heavily forested 

=== Other Vegetation ===
''Other means [[shrub]]s and bushes, or maybe cacti.''
*  None 
*  Scarce 
*  Moderate 
*  Thick 

=== Surroundings ===
[[Surroundings]] affect the types of plant life and wild [[animals]] which will appear in play. It is possible to start in a local region containing ALL THREE alignments of terrain type (good, evil, and neutral).

{| style="border: 0px; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; background: black"
| || '''Benign''' || '''Neutral''' || '''Savage'''
|-
| style="padding-right: 30px;"| '''Good''' || style="padding-right: 30px;"| '''Serene''' || style="padding-right: 30px;"| '''Mirthful''' || '''Joyous Wilds'''
|-
| '''Neutral''' || '''Calm''' || '''Wilderness''' || '''Untamed Wilds'''
|-
| '''Evil''' || '''Sinister''' || '''Haunted''' || '''Terrifying'''
|}

 
The [[creatures]] article has an Alignment heading that will tell you whether or not a creature can possibly show up in a specific alignment. Note that most creatures also require a specific [[climate]] to spawn in. Again, it's important to check the specific biomes making up your site. Once a [[creature]] spawns on the map, it is under no compunction to stay in its own biome and can roam as it pleases. Because of this, the specifics of what means what can be difficult to pin down sometimes.

 ''Good'' regions tend to have less aggressive and weaker [[creatures]], exception made for the pain-in-the-ass [[unicorn]]. Good regions also support the wild [[sun berry]], which makes the best [[booze]] in the game. There are generally slight changes between ''Benign Good'' and ''Savage Good''. The only serious problem that shows up in Good regions is, again, the [[unicorn]], which shows up in ''Benign Good'' regions but not ''Neutral Good'' or ''Savage Good''. It's worth noting that [[unicorns]] require generally temperate regions, so a ''Benign Good'' zone in a cold tundra will probably not spawn [[unicorns]].

 ''Neutral'' regions are the easiest to understand. They generally mimic the real world, with recognizable wildlife depending on the area. They can be quite dangerous depending on the region (much like the real world), holding anything from generally non-aggressive but physically powerful enemies such as [[gorilla]]s and [[elephants]] to the very aggressive and very dangerous [[giant eagle]]. As one might expect, ''Benign Neutral'' zones are really very safe, while ''Savage Neutral'' areas can pose some major difficulties, depending on the dominating climate and landforms. You'll find most of the standard aboveground plants in these alignments, such as [[prickle berries]], [[rope reed]], [[wild strawberries]] and the like.

 ''Evil'' regions are more dangerous than their ''Neutral'' and ''Good'' counterparts across the board. At their root, ''Evil'' regions are modified ''Neutral'' regions. In addition to a pack of other [[creatures]] that are nasty, dangerous, and spiteful such as [[beak dog]]s, [[harpy|harpies]], and [[ogre]]s, ''Evil'' regions modify their ''Neutral'' base by infecting many (but not all) of the indigenous [[creatures]] with various forms of [[undead|undeath]]. [[Undead]] have a resistance to piercing attacks (precluding Crossbow-heavy defenses) and are always far more aggressive than their living counterparts, and they leave a fraction of the corpse benefits (zombies fall down rotten and are unbutcherable, skeletons only leave bones). Clearly, hunting undead animals is pointless, and finding kills in a countryside crawling with [[undead]] is outstandingly dangerous. [[Undead]] shrubs are useless for gathering, too. Also, fish can be infected with undeath, and can even walk on land to attack fishermen. Even ''Benign Evil'' is very difficult for beginning players to earn a niche to work in, so it should be reserved for a challenge play only.

==See also==
* [[Biomes]]

{{World}}

[[Category:World]]

40d Talk:Copper

2009-02-24T04:05:23Z

HeWhoIsPale:

"A common use of copper is minting at a metalsmith's forge, creating coins which value is multiplied by 10" - I'm unsure, but I believe this is supposed to mean that one unit of copper will be converted into 10 copper coins, which according to [[Currency]] are worth 1☼ each [[User:Slartibartfast|Slartibartfast]] 14:43, 19 February 2008 (EST)
:IIRC, 1 bar of anything makes a stack of 500 coins. The value of the entire stack of coins is 10 x the metal's value multiplier. eg: 1 stack of (500) copper coins would be worth 20☼ (10 x 2). This means each individual coin would be worth 0.04☼ (20 / 500). [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:47, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Good luck using your wooden longsword for practice. [[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 10:37, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Silver cannot be made into weapons unless it is an artifact. Artifact weapons were not meant for sparring. Definitely not meant for sparring.--[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 21:07, 23 February 2009 (EST)
:Last I checked, and according to [[silver]], silver can be smithed into weapons, but not armor. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 23:05, 23 February 2009 (EST)

40d:Armor token

2009-02-24T01:21:01Z

HeWhoIsPale: +cat

The tokens for all types of armor on all slots, including shields. Usage column gives information on where use of the token might be restricted to.

=Tokens=
{| {{prettytable}}
|- bgcolor="#ddd"
! Token
! Arguments
! Usage
! Description
|-
| ARMORLEVEL
|
omitted - clothing 
1 - leather 
2 - chain 
3 - plate
| All
| What category this item falls under. Lack of this tag makes this item clothes level.

|-
| BARRED
|
| All
| Can be crafted out of bone.

|-
| BLOCKCHANCE
| value
| item_shield
| Tag only present for shields. Affects the block chance of the shield.

|-
| BLOCKPOWER
| value
|
item_helm 
item_gloves 
item_shield 
item_pants 
item_shoes
| How much damage the item blocks when that body part is struck.

|-
| CHAIN_METAL
|
|
| Unknown. Only present in leggings. Not a valid token for some armor slots.

|-
| COVERAGE
| value
| All
| Coverage influences how often contaminants get through clothes and temperature effects

|-
| HARD
|
| All
| Item does not [[wear]] when worn. Opposite of [SOFT]. No tag defaults to [HARD].

|-
| ITEM_<name1>:<name2>
|
Name 1 - ARMOR, HELM, SHOES, PANTS, GLOVES 
Name 2 - Anything
| All
| First name is required to define the item as wearable on that body part. The second can be anything you want to call it. [ITEM_ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_PLATEMAIL]

|-
| LAYER
| UNDER, OVER, ARMOR, COVER
| All
| How this item is layered.

|-
| LAYER_SIZE
| value
| All
| What the size of this item in question is, when it is put on. See [[Armor]] for more on item sizes and layering.

|-
| LAYER_PERMIT
| value
| All
| The maximum number of items allowed on that body slot. If the body slot's layer value is over this, no more of this item can be put on. See [[Armor]] for more on item sizes and layering.

|-
| LBSTEP
| value or MAX
|
item_armor 
item_pants
| How many steps down the armor protects. Torso armor has this at 1, most leg armor has this at MAX.

|-
| LEATHER
|
| All
| Item can be made from leather.

|-
| MAINBLOCK
| value
| item_armor
| Only used when defining chest slot armor. Affects the item's primary block value.

|-
| MATERIAL_SIZE
| value
| All
| How much material is needed to make the item. Most important with bars. The number of bars required to make the item is the value divided by three.

|-
| MATERIAL_PLACEHOLDER
| <phrase>
| item_armor
| This sets a word to be used in-game instead of a material type, currently only appears on leather armor e.g. steel full plate becomes <phrase> full plate.

|-
| METAL
|
| All
| Item can be made with metal.

|-
| METAL_ARMOR_LEVELS
|
|
| Metal versions of this item count as one ARMORLEVEL higher. Only present in helms, caps, low boots, and high boots.

|-
| NAME
| singular:plural
| All
| What this item will be called ingame.

|-
| PREPLURAL
| <phrase> of
| All, used in item_armor only though.
| Changes the plural form of this item to "<phrase of> item". Primarily pertains to the stock screens. Example, "suits of" platemail, "suits of" chainmail, etc.

|-
| SCALED
|
| All
| Can be crafted from shell.

|-
| SECONDBLOCK
| value
| item_armor
| Tag only present for chest armors. Affects secondary block value, that is, the block value for parts protected only thanks to UB/LBSTEP rather than by being the main part(like the torso)

|-
| SHAPED
|
| All
| Unknown. May have something to do with being crafted from other materials, like gauntlets out of bone.

|-
| SOFT
|
| All
| Item can [[wear]] when worn. Opposite of [HARD].

|-
| UBSTEP
| value, MAX
| item_armor
| How many steps up away from upper body the armor protects. Only present on torso armor. Coats/shirts/cloaks have it at MAX; Plate/chain/leather armors and togas/dresses/robes have it at 1; Tunics/capes/vests have it at 0

|-
| UPSTEP
| value, MAX
| All
| Item protects body parts a step up from where it is. Example, bucklers with an upstep of one, protect the lower arm, but should also protect the upper arm. Unknown what MAX does. Chausses have an upstep of this value.

|-
| VALUE
| value
| All
| Value multiplier of the item. It will be multiplied by item quality and material.

|-
| WEIGHT
| value
| All
| How much the item weighs.
|}

[[Category:Modding]]
[[Category:Tokens]]

40d:Mask

2009-02-22T18:18:00Z

HeWhoIsPale:

A '''mask''' is a piece of Armor covering the face/head that is sometimes worn by [[goblin]]s. It is typically made of [[iron]] and seems to be limited by civilization. That is if a goblin civilization has the ability to make it all invading goblins will wear it and if they don't have the ability it wont be worn at all. It cannot be worn by dwarves but can be [[Melt item|melted]] down for the iron or traded to any caravan.

[[Category:Armor]]

40d Talk:Magma

2009-02-21T21:40:05Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Magma-swimming Baby */

Are you certain that steel is a requirement for metals in contact with magma? This info conflicts with the [[Magma smelter]] article, which state that using [[Fire-safe materials]] is enough. Don't have a fort with magma yet, but could someone check which one is correct?[[User:Thexor|Thexor]] 19:23, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
:If i disable temperature can my dwarfs swim through the magma unharmed? Will it still cause water to steam? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 22:28, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
:: Yes, dwarves seem to be able to swim through magma unharmed when temperature is off(I've had them shoved in during a fight, not 100% sure), but they'll violently resist this, even without danger. Water will still steam, it seems to be hard coded. --[[User:Erathoniel|Erathoniel]] 16:50, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Does the type of rock around the mountainous areas hint at magma? If you check out [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_rocks#Naming this article] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igneous_rock#Mineralogical_classification this site] list a bunch of common volcanic rocks: Granite, Rhyolite, Diorite, Andesite, Gabbro, Basalt, Peridotite and Komatite. Perhaps some clues as to where to find magma?
:It may be possible to find magma vents by searching for extrusive igneous rocks (such as basalt, felsite, rhyolite and andesite), but continental shelves and deep earth are just naturally made of intrusive igneous rock (such as granite, diorite and gabbro). It's generally indicative of rock that has been pushed up to the surface (or erosion has withered the rock down), and not a volcano.
::So areas with surface igneous rocks such as basalt, felsite, rhyolite and andesite have a high chance of finding a source of magma below the surface? I'd like to know if it's entirely random or if there is some order or pattern to it. [[User:Schm0|Schm0]] 08:38, 5 November 2007 (EST)

On a completely different topic: I keep setting up on magma vents but not actually having a magma chamber visible. I assumed one problem was the lack of a border on my plot (so somehow the volcano was actually outside my plot), but even after making it bigger there was still no magma (...but it did have a fancy cave)...This has happened the last 4 times I've tried to start on a volcano, and the world regenerating takes quite a while for ~10 named volcanoes, and then all of the livable ones don't actually have magma.--[[User:UltimaGecko|UltimaGecko]] 16:50, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:You might try using reveal.exe to see if the volcano is underground. I just built on a site with a volcano which was not visible from the surface, and used reveal to make sure I hadn't lost my mind (then I killed DF and restarted it so I wouldn't still have the map revealed) - The volcano was entirely underground, covered by layer(s) of rock. I've also added a note to the article saying that it is possible to find a volcano which is visible on the starting screen but not from the surface on-site.--[[User:SL|SL]] 21:54, 7 November 2007 (EST)
::I think this is related to the temperature of the area. I've got a map with a magma vent in the middle of a glacier. There was no surface magma, but there was a nice flat, round patch of obsidian surrounded by ice. After digging down three levels through this "cap", I hit live magma. It's actually a nice setup, as I've basically set up a small fort *in* the cap--basically my dwarves are living in the mouth of the volcano, with the basement level dedicated to magma smelters, forges, glass furnaces, etc. --[[User:RedKing|RedKing]] 04:26, 9 November 2007 (EST)

== Magmapool/pipe section ==
Zara, you recently added some info about all magma pipes having cliffs over them -- this is incorrect. I've played a very large number of magma pipe maps, and very often they are completely exposed to the air. I've also removed the line about them being "as small as two z-levels!", because it needs better phrasing. I may fix it later. [[User:MOOMANiBE|MOOMANiBE]] 22:39, 26 February 2008 (EST)

:in the meantime I had figured that out, too. But what is the difference between a magma pipe and a volcano, then? – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Zara|Zara]]

::As far as I know, the distinction comes down to whether it reaches the surface. If so, some would then call it a volcano rather than a magma pipe. I believe that magma pipes which reach the surface (or volcanoes, if you will) are the only ones which actually show up on the embark map, while underground magma pipes and magma pools do not (unless you use the Regional Prospector tool). --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 23:07, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

:::No, similar to Moonanibe,I've played on several maps where, on the embark screen, the magma pipe was only visible using regional prospector. However, as soon as I took a look at the place, I found the magma partly (or completely) exposed on the surface. [[User:Zara|Zara]] 01:59, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

== Added new section ==
I added a section regarding "Built objects vs. Magma". I think it's absolutely vital we establish what does and doesn't melt in magma, in a clean list. There are quite a few things that could be added to that list (Constructed floors for one) so please, do add to it. [[User:MOOMANiBE|MOOMANiBE]] 17:31, 18 February 2008 (EST)
:Have you tested the bridges? I conjecture that all buildings and constructions without mechanisms are perfectly fine with magma contact. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:37, 19 February 2008 (EST)
:: The bridges part was cut from another section of the article and moved in there. Since it was already here, I assumed it was accurate. I haven't actually checked myself. [[User:MOOMANiBE|MOOMANiBE]] 16:54, 19 February 2008 (EST)
:I will verify bridges one way or the other. I'm pretty sure they cant melt, though. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 21:03, 19 February 2008 (EST)
::they dont melt, as they arent actually within the magma. that was copied over from the 2d wiki and nobody removed it -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 22:29, 19 February 2008 (EST)
::: I noticed you removed the line about bridges. It seems silly not to mention them at all, so I've written up a line about them working no matter what the material and stuck it in. [[User:MOOMANiBE|MOOMANiBE]] 23:12, 19 February 2008 (EST)
::::yea they should definately be mentioned, wasnt thinking when i removed it completely(recovering from a bad cold and brain is still a bit foggy) -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 00:49, 20 February 2008 (EST)
Tested. Non-magmaiproof bridges -over- magma are fine. Non-magma-proof submerged in magma will melt. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 12:39, 21 February 2008 (EST)
: Interesting. I'll edit the article to say as much. [[User:MOOMANiBE|MOOMANiBE]] 15:30, 21 February 2008 (EST)
This is what I've found: ANY Construction is safe from magma (even wooden ones. Walls, stairs, fortifications, etc). Any building is unaffected by magma if the magma doesn't occupy the same tile as the building. Example: a door is safe if it's closed, even if it's made of non-safe rock or wood. If you lock it open with a mechanism, or if it's jammed, then the magma interacts with the components, burning/melting them if they can't stand the heat. A pump made of wood or any other material is also safe, as long as the magma doesn't flow *over* it. Since the "out" side acts as a wall, if it's correctly isolated from the magma it won't get damaged and will pump the magma without any trouble. --[[User:Sergius|Sergius]] 01:41, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

Anyone clear on Vertical Bars in magma? I am attempting to keep imps and such from moving through my magma feeding tunnel and was curious if anyone had any good solutions to this problem. --[[User:Stalinbulldog|Stalinbulldog]] 16:23, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

:I just use a bauxite wall grate, it works fine for me. --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 01:02, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
:: Ah, thank you, I just wanted to be sure they didn't melt regardless --[[User:Stalinbulldog|Stalinbulldog]] 02:32, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
 
I made a few tests with magma and buildings/constructions and I can confirm some known results and I can provide a few new aspects. Constructions (b->C) are magma safe (walls, floors, stairs, others not tested). No matter what the material is.
*<s>bridges build with bauxite *rocks* are not magma safe (bauxite mechanism or not)</s>
*bridges build with bauxite *blocks* are magma safe (test with mechanism is pending)
*bridges build with steel bars are magma safe (test with mechanism is pending)
Open test: bridge with blocks considered as not magma safe.
 [[User:Imajia|Imajia]] 12:14, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
::I'm sorry, I made a mistake. The bridges build with bauxite rocks were previously connected with a lever. Unfortunately the mechanism is not removed from the bridge when you remove the lever. Well, at least it seems that the rules for magma safe materials are valid for bridges. With one exception: raised bridges can contain any mechanism, only when magma flows over the bridge it is destroyed.--[[User:Imajia|Imajia]] 13:18, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

== Replenishing Magma ==

Since magma replenishes now, I've rewritten that snippet from the article. If I've missed something(a kind of magma not regenerating, though this always worked for me on several maps), feel free to correct things. --[[User:Romantic Warrior|Romantic Warrior]] 15:47, 18 February 2008 (EST).

I have a very good feeling that the replenishing magma is just "pressurized" magma. I haven't tested fully, but i have poured water over a magma pipe and re-mined it, and in that case the magma flow was upwards. --[[User:Sphexx|Sphexx]] 03:49, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

== Temperature ==

Does magma increase the temperature of things around it? Can it be used to melt ice? --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 20:26, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

:I'm not sure how the temperature calculations are done, but I CAN tell you that magma will melt nearby ice. Check out http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-153-meltingwateronglacier to see it in action. [[User:Zaranthan|Zaranthan]] 15:23, 26 January 2008 (EST)

::It should be a flow, just like the magma itself. One of the other visible results is warm stone. The same can probably be said for water and damp stone as well. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 17:01, 26 January 2008 (EST)

==Flow?==

I have a magma pipe (pit) in my current fortress... I breached the pipe from the lowest level because of the diagonal bug when I discovered it, and it filled some long exploratory shafts. Since then, the top magma layer is down to 5/7 and 6/7 running all over the surface. After a little while, it's easy to see that magma act curiously: instead of bouncing from wall to wall like real water physics, in my game the 5/7 (the flow) seems to all move in the same direction at the same time. The direction change often, and seem to change randomly. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 22:43, 26 November 2007 (EST)

There is another way to stop a flow of magma that's moving through a tunnel. You can go one z-level higher, dig to a spot above the magma-filled tunnel, then build a channel above where the magma is flowing and assign it as a Pond Zone. So long as you have buckets and a viable Water Source zone, a dwarf will come along and drop water on the magma, instantly turning it into obsidian and blocking the tunnel. --[[User:Stromko]] January 6th, 2007
: I've tried this - it rarely works. Usually you just destroy 1/7 of the magma per bucket, along with the water from the bucket, and nothing turns to obsidian. You need to hit it with larger quantities of water at once to get reliable results. --[[User:SL|SL]] 10:35, 6 January 2008 (EST)
::Actually, you have to hit it from two levels up. Just one won't do anything.--[[User:Demosthenes|Demosthenes]] 17:07, 18 February 2008 (EST)

I have added a section to the main page on magma flow, based on frequent confusion in the forums, and on some investigations I have been making into the behavior of magma when pumped (I'm not the first to discover this behavior, but I did go to a fair degree of effort to test how it behaves in differing circumstances) --[[User:Kaypy|Kaypy]] 21:16, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
:Now THAT is how you make a diagram! Awesome. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 22:20, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

==Criteria for Magma Buildings==

Is there a special condition that must be met before Magma Smelters/Forges/Furnaces and so on will appear on the build menus? I have a magma pit and some channels over it so that I can access it for magma, but I cannot build any magma-using buildings. - [[User:Confused Rat|Confused Rat]]

:Magma furnaces and forges need a hole somewhere on the ground where they are built. This is to allow the furnace/forge to take the heat from the magma as they are used. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 19:43, 25 January 2008 (EST)

:What he means is that the magma furnaces don't even appear in the build menu. This is because you haven't discovered magma through natural means. The only way this can happen is if you used reveal to find the magma. You'll have to use the [[Utilities#Enable_Magma_Buildings|Enable Magma Buildings]] utility to make them appear. --[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 20:03, 25 January 2008 (EST)

:Reclaimed fortresses may be bugged. If you reclaimed you fortress you probably can't do anything with it without 3rd party programs (like one mentioned above). Magma in [[pit]]s isn't enough to allow magma buildings. You need to discover true magma pipe and get pop-up informing about this. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 08:37, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

:I had a similar problem in a human settlement, so I do not know if the bug applies there, too... but there IS a chance I abandoned and reclaimed at one point, so it could just be that --[[User:Zatnik|Zatnik]] 05:02, 7 January 2009 (EST)

== Infinity Generators? ==

Because magma is currently a finite resource, would it be a good idea to add how to make an infinity generator as workarround untill Toady gives us some more of the stuff?—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Highlord Asehujiko|Highlord Asehujiko]] ([[User talk:Highlord Asehujiko|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Highlord Asehujiko|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}
:Not on the main article as it would easily be considered cheating. In here, or the [[cheating]] article itself would be fine, the latter probably more appropriate as it could be applied to water as well for those scorching maps. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:16, 27 January 2008 (EST)
::Magma regenerates in most cases, which pretty much means it's infinite. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 19:19, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

== Lava vs. Magma ==

I hadn't noticed it until just now, but both Lava and Magma occur in the game. I haven't seen this fact referenced in the wiki. Magma is a fluid which occurs in Magma Pipes, and in areas directly connected to Magma Pipes. Lava appears to occur in disconnected areas. I'm not sure what happens if you reconnect. If you use {{k|k}} to view a square, you'll see either Magma or Lava depths given. I'm not clear on what difference there is between the two fluids. --[[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 02:58, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

:There is none, just the name. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:30, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

::both in df, and irl, molten rock in open air is called lava, while subterranean is called magma -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 15:40, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

::: Ah, so magma which is ''Outside'' is lava. Cool. I guess my disjoint areas are all also outside :) I suppose we ought to mention this somewhere on the page? --[[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 19:19, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

== Magma vs puppy? ==

I have encountered an interesting glitch. I have 2 puppies and a kitten in magma that aren't dying, and yes I have temperature setting on. http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-570-magmavspuppy

For those interested in trying to recreate it, I believe it has to do with designating the animal to slaughter while trying to throw it into a pit. A few of my dwarves were having pathing errors to try and slaughter them when I noticed the 3 invulnerable pests. After saving and reloading, the critters were insta-gibbed.
--[[User:Sphexx|Sphexx]] 04:59, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

== Chasm Confusion ==

"The minerals directly adjacent to the magma vent will also be immediately visible, even at the lowest level of the map, which can give some hints about where to prospect for ores."

Magma, at least in my experience, has always been surrounded only by Obsidian, as a result you cannot get any kind of insight as to the surrounding minerals, this differs from a chasm where the veins coming up to a chasm are directly reflected in the walls.

--[[User:Stalinbulldog|Stalinbulldog]] 04:18, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
:volcanoes and magmapipes can form large "chasms" above them, though it depends on how rocky the map is
:Confirmed, various minerals and gems were visible in the 'crater' area two levels above the magma in my magma pipe. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 15:05, 5 November 2008 (EST)

== gruesome accident in reall really older 2d version ==

beware wooden floodgates
not only do they burn(as I planned)
but i scattered magma all around the room
it rolled around quickly in all directions, flooding the tunnels, burning miners, smelters, war dogs and puppies alike without remorse.
it has thus far filled the entire message screen with " someone" or "something" has burned to death
it appears to gain mass from creeping down hallways! oh god...
60 deaths, at least 25 dwarves and 15 puppies22:08, 28 July 2008 (EDT)[[User:Eerr|Eerr]]

== Magma cooling? ==

Ive noticed at a 1/7 depth, the magma seems to cool and go away. v40d --[[User:OmegaX|OmegaX]] 17:28, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

: That is probably what the author meant by "Magma that is only 1 deep "evaporates" over time." [[User:MagicGuigz|MagicGuigz]] 19:58, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

== Mechanisms on Non-Floodgates ==

I want to power my underground smelting operations with magma, so I'm digging a tunnel into the side of a magma pipe. I don't want magma creatures coming in that way, so I need a set of [[bars]] across it. However, once I set up the bars, I need to open them to get a miner past and cut the last bit of stone and open the tunnel to the magma. I was going to just attach the bars to a level, but the question of what to use for the [[mechanism]] is bugging me. I don't want to waste my precious imported [[Bauxite]] on the mechanism, and once it closes behind the miner it never need to open again so it's fine it it melts, but not if the melting mechanism will cause the bars to deconstruct! Anyone know what happens to things other than floodgates when their mechanisms get melted off?
--17:11, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

: Or you could make your life much simpler with [[Fortifications]]. [[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 23:09, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

:: How? [[Fortification|Fortifications]] allow liquid to pass through and stop creatures, yes, but you can't open them ''at all''. How am I supposed to get my dwarf back after he digs the last square of the channel if there's a fortification blocking the way?--[[User:Macdjord|Macdjord]] 15:49, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

:::I used a fortification to keep fire imps out of my magma channel; I dug a stairway totally unconnected to the rest of my fortress to a spot adjacent to the top layer of the magma pipe, then dug a tunnel from within the fortress to within one tile of the stairway. I fortified the tile that separated the two, then dug a channel (from outside) that let the magma flow against the "outside" face of the fortification. The magma flowed through the fortification and into the "inside" tunnel.

:::For good measure, in case I want to drain the inside tunnel at some point, I put an s-turn in the inside tunnel and situated a nickel/bauxite floodgate around the corner, out of sight of the fortification.

:::Viewed from above, basically it looks like this:

~============
~~=====..X...
~~=====.=====
~~=<#...=====
~~===========
~============

~ - Magma pipe
= - Unmined tile (wall)
. - Mined tile (channel)
< - Stairway
# - Fortification
X - Floodgate

:::The last step here is to remove the tile between the magma and the stairway by digging a channel from one z-level up.
:::--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 03:16, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
::::Why do you need a stairway? Couldn't you have just put the fortification on the tile where you have the stairway now? I'm also not sure why you need a turn as opposed to having the floodgate directly in line; i.e. {{qd|cols=7|~|`|╬|{{qd/ch{{!}}X{{!}}888|ccc}}|.|.|.}}
::::[[User:Random832|Random832]] 08:55, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

:::::I believe you can't create a fortification from above, though I could be wrong. It doesn't cost anything to dig one extra z-level down to get yourself a tile with an open face front and back which fortifies up nicely. Also, I put the kink in the tunnel just to be paranoid -- I don't want things shooting fireballs down it. I'm not sure if a fireball can destroy a floodgate. Again, it didn't cost me anything to make it a touch more elaborate.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:29, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

::::Well, if I dug in from above, I could just use a non-retracting set of bars. Fortifications allow liquid to flow, but they slow it down. But I'm not digging at the top level of the pipe. I suppose I could just use a sacrificial non-magma-safe floodgate, set up the bars behind it, and then open it and let it melt.
::::--[[User:Macdjord|Macdjord]] 13:20, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

== Magma Ate My Wall ==
While digging my channel to a magma pipe, I came across a vein of Lignite which ran perpendicular to my channel. I mined it out, hauled the lignite over to my fortress, and then built some walls over the side passages. It's now less than a year later, and one of those wall-units is missing. Unless there's some way a fire imp or other magma creature can destroy walls, the magma must have melted the wall. --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 07:12, 5 November 2008 (EST)

:Wasn't that wall a Lignite wall ? It may have burnt, then. [[User:Timst|Timst]] 09:46, 5 November 2008 (EST)
:Yes, it sounds like it was a liginite wall. Magma will ignite coke-bearing rock, this has been the case for a long time. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 09:56, 5 November 2008 (EST)

:: No, the wall was built from rock salt. All the lignite was hauled away, and as an economic stone, not a material choice I could have made by accident. The floor is still lignite though. Think that may have been a factor? --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 09:58, 5 November 2008 (EST)
:::That's possible, but I find it unlikely. Also, I misinterpreted what you meant by 'built a wall', didn't realize it was a construction. I thought it was a smoothed rock face. It's been a persisting question (at least in #df on synIRC) if magma will melt constructions not made of bauxite. You may have just answered that for us. Perhaps you could test by letting magma into a 5x5 room with one natural rock pillar in the middle, and a wall construction of the same type of stone? That'd answer the question once and for all, I think. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 10:11, 5 November 2008 (EST)
:::I've had magma against some of my constructed walls for years and years without damage. A good thing too, I've got quarters on the other side! They're almost certainly basalt. I wouldn't rule out the vanishing wall being caused by a burning floor; lignite can burn for years before vanishing. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 15:14, 5 November 2008 (EST)
::::Interesting. It was probably the liginite floor, then, but that begs the question of how a burning floor could consume a wall; stone should be fire-safe. A really interesting situation, to be sure. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 17:26, 5 November 2008 (EST)
:::Also -- as for 'not a material choice I could have made by accident', I've found my masons will happily convert expensive imported ores and flux into blocks if they decide your depot's closer than the nearest basalt. And once anything's blocked, it's useless but for constructions. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 16:39, 5 November 2008 (EST)

::::: @Corona: That's for a mason's workshop, though. When you build walls, you choose the specific rocks to build from. Although, I have to say that I've never had a mason use a rock from the restricted list.
::::: For clarity, here's an image capture. The east-west shaft was my original tunnel towards the magma pipe. Every mined-out tile north or south of that shaft was Lignite. However, the opening just below the cursor, where my missing wall is supposed to be, is listed as Rock Salt as well. This is because dwarves kept building that section of wall from the wrong side, and I had to deconstruct it and put it back up several times -- which kills our "burning lignite floor" theory. Hrm.....now that I think about it, I can't be sure that I did build that wall in the end. I can't remember if a dwarf ever built it from the correct side. I'll let you know if another wall section disappears.
[[Image:romeofalling1.GIF]]

--[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 18:54, 5 November 2008 (EST)

== Disambiguation ==

I see the term ''magma pipe'' and ''magma vent'' being used interchangeably. Do these terms mean the same thing? --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 20:25, 8 November 2008 (EST)

:Basically, yes. Magma vents, however, are visible from the surface, whereas magma pipes are not. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 00:26, 9 November 2008 (EST)

== Magma Vs. Sand ==

In a failed experiment with wooden screw pumps with magma proof blocks, I have discovered something horrible and intriguing. Magma/lava can burn it's way through sand, so now I have an above ground magma cistern half flooding back into the magma pipe I filled it from, and half into my underground workshops through 2 z-levels of sand flooring. I have picture proof too, but I have no idea how to upload pictures from my laptop to a wiki. --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 14:19, 11 November 2008 (EST)

:"Upload file", toolbox, left side of this page.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 14:34, 11 November 2008 (EST)
::Ah, thanks. --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 20:12, 11 November 2008 (EST)

Do you mean it goes down z-levels, or does it just move across the sand? magma can normally move across anything except water, I think. --[[User:Destor|Destor]] 14:41, 11 November 2008 (EST)
:Vertically, through z-levels. It created a hole that wasn't there before through a sand floor, into my main hallway, and then through the floor there into my workshops and stockpiles. From there, it simply followed the path of least resistance down the stairs and into the living quarters (not shown). The magma seems to only tunnel through floor tiles that have no wall tile below them, which is understandable but I've never had this happen before. Though, admittedly I have never tried to create a lava cistern on top of sand before. --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 20:12, 11 November 2008 (EST)
<gallery>
Image:DF-0.JPG|Above ground (sorry for large size despite jpeg compression)
Image:DF-1.JPG|1 z-level down (main hallway)
Image:DF-2.JPG|2 z-levels down (workshops and rock, bar, and wood stockpiles)
</gallery>

== Regarding Boatmurdered ==

I have this intense desire to flood the world in magma. (yes, I'm playing the 2D Dwarf Fortress. Sue me.) How did they get the magma onto the surface? Last I checked, pumps don't exist, sooo... --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 02:45, 28 November 2008 (EST)
:Channels and aqueducts... They'll transport any liquid anywhere. And bridges too!--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]]
::But magma's on the "Z-level" below. How's it supposed to get on the actual level of the elephants? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 13:50, 28 November 2008 (EST)
:::You're still thinking in 3D. Magma is "in" the tiles where the river is, and will be in the tiles where you dig a channel, and you want to get it in the tiles where the elephants are, by digging a channel from the magma river to the outside and "releasing" it from the channel using a floodgate. The miner who digs the part of the channel that connects it to the magma river itself might get killed, since they always stood ''in'' the channel square while digging it in the 2D version. Put a floodgate just beyond it before digging it out so you can shut off the flow, since you will make mistakes.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:36, 28 November 2008 (EST)
::::Yes, I realize I'm thinking in 3D. Exactly how does the magma get out of the channel and onto the ground? Because last I checked, fluids didn't do that naturally. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 18:44, 28 November 2008 (EST)
:::::That's just the way the 2D version works. Channel next to liquid = liquid now in channel. Tile at end of channel not floodgate (or other liquid stopper) = liquid now on ground. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 18:47, 28 November 2008 (EST)

:::::Read [http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Channel#Game_mechanics Channel] and [http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Irrigation#Controlled_flooding Irrigation] on the archive wiki. You have to play with channels and floodgates for a bit before it all makes sense, though. The 2D version tended to get real kludgy when it came to fluids. Try to get a farm going to understand the basics of the 2D channels, floodgates, and fluids.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 23:07, 28 November 2008 (EST)

== No little errors ==

I just made a discovery. There is nothing like small error in the terms of magma engineering. After attempting to make my lava moat, I accidentally dug channel one tile longer, than it should be. At first, it went good. But then, magma flowed over my wall and flooded entire fortress. Remember - no little errors. [[User:SanDiego|SanDiego]] 12:19, 30 November 2008 (EST)

== Export the local map ==

"...you can try exporting the local map of the world which can be much more quickly searched for the distinctive red ≈ symbol. " How does one do that? --[[User:Azaram|Azaram]] 02:08, 4 December 2008 (EST)
:Right after generating your world, there is an option to export the map. I think it maps to 'p' but I can't swear to it now. I don't know if there is a way to do it at a time other than right after generation. -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 14:45, 4 December 2008 (EST)
::Legends screen lets you export maps as well, but they don't have the special features enabled, even with all applicable options enabled. Probably on the todo list 'somewhere', but can't imagine it's even semi-important. So you'll have to rely on worldgen exports. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 22:02, 4 December 2008 (EST)

::I thought it was just the region map you can export, not the local map, and a red ≈ just means desert and/or red sand on that map. You can see named volcanoes on it though -- red ^s.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 22:16, 4 December 2008 (EST)

::It's mapped to "P". Capital. [[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 21:01, 12 February 2009 (EST)

== Temperature setting ==

While magma will not cause fires while the temperature is turned off in the init file, it seems the game remembers at least some of the fires it would have caused. I was playing with temperature off and tunneled into magma rather carelessly, knowing it wouldn't hurt me, later, when I turned the temperature on in that game, the dwarves that came into contact with the magma were immediately set on fire. This was about a year later in game. I checked back several times by quitting without saving, every time I turned the temperature on, those same dwarves caught fire, with the temperature off, there was no indication of fire what so ever.--[[User:Sotanaht|Sotanaht]] 23:36, 23 January 2009 (EST)

:Oh wow, I can imagine tons of uses for that, especially when toady makes it so that you can go and raid the goblins... Kamikaze dwarves, anyone? Well, I guess it should be in the article, but it would be nice to do more testing first. I think that if a dwarf falls in water, he stops burning. So if you could find out if they, after being put out with temperature off, still lit up next time we could put it in. Do more research, I would but I have had trouble with DF lately, it has been mad slow.--[[User:Destor|Destor]] 00:01, 24 January 2009 (EST)

::Well, temperatures are flows, and items remember how warm they are, so presumably the dwarves that burst into flames are still at a ridiculous temperature and haven't cooled down. That, or the coating of magma on their bodies is causing them to burn...--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 00:36, 24 January 2009 (EST)

::: It has got to be the coating, as you say. Turning off the tempurature means that they should STOP remembering. The flows should not be calculated, and the items should have nothing to remember. Thats why turning it off speeds up the game, especially in extreme environs or around magma. There was, however, nothing listed that I could find, so this "magma coating" is invisible to the interface. It should also be noted that it was apparently the dwarves who caught fire first, and their burning flesh that apparently set their clothes on fire moments later.--[[User:Sotanaht|Sotanaht]] 12:29, 24 January 2009 (EST)

::::Check specifically for magma splatters on the dwarfs in question. I wouldn't be surprised if they picked them up, similar to when creatures get doused in water. The liquid tends to stick all over them, and rarely goes away on it's own. Best bet to preserve them would be to construct a waterfall-shower, and hope it washes away the magma spatter, rather than creating obsidian ;) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 07:11, 25 January 2009 (EST)
:::::Yer, looks like the dawrfs got their Pigtail socks a coating of magma. Then magma goes boom.--[[User:Cultiststeve|cultiststeve]] 08:08, 19 February 2009 (EST)

==Site finder==

Will magma Pipes always show up on the local map? Because my site finder keeps throwing up sites with no visible magma on the local map. --[[User:ArneHD|ArneHD]] 17:09, 12 February 2009 (EST)

:No, magma pipes don't always reach the surface, and therefore won't always show up on the embark map. You can find out it's actual location by taking a guess based off of what stone layers are shown where in the embark map, or you can go to your init.txt and change SHOW_EMBARK_M_PIPE to ALWAYS. --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 17:29, 12 February 2009 (EST)

== Magma-swimming Baby ==

For some reason, someone has dropped their baby into the magma. The strange thing is, it aint burning up. Its lying there, and apparently has done so for a long time. Its hungry and thirsty. --[[User:Myroc|Myroc]] 15:26, 21 February 2009 (EST)
:I once had a mother get trapped behind a magma bulkhead with her baby. She died promptly. The baby just sorta sat in the magma flow for about a year before it died too. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 16:40, 21 February 2009 (EST)

40d Talk:Dog

2009-02-16T18:25:39Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Impotent war dogs */

==War dog==
is it me or can only male dogs become war dogs? i got a bitch that isnt recognized as trainable to war dog status... [[User:Twiggie|Twiggie]] 14:25, 27 November 2007 (EST)

:Not at all. She's probably someone's pet already. Pet's can't be trained. [[User:Mzbundifund|Mzbundifund]] 13:42 27 November 2007 (CST)

Is it just for me, or are war dogs completely useless other than cannon fodder when restrained? When I assign them to dwarves they seem somewhat useful as they swarm the enemy. However, when I chain a line of 4-6 dogs at a choke point, 3+ goblins just plow through them unscathed and it seems like the dogs are trying to run from them rather than attack. [[User:Sphexx|Sphexx]]
:Chained war dogs are very useful to deter theify kobolds and snatchy goblins. These units ignore traps and stealth everywhere, but dogs chained near the fort entrance will eat them immediately.--[[User:Dadamh|Dadamh]] 16:32, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

== Hunting dogs ==

I was wondering what are the advantages of hunting dogs as opposed to war dogs. As far as i can tell the only one is that theyre weaker. --[[User:Makuus|Makuus]] 17:53, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

:"It sounds like Hunting dogs behave as if 'harass animals' was set to 'yes.'" --[[User:Kefkakrazy|Kefkakrazy]], from the old wiki. Also, see [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=000334 this thread], in which Toady says what exactly hunting and war dogs do in the 2D version.
:In short, war dogs do double damage and hunting dogs are useless. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 18:31, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
::Useless? Doesn't the increased detection range count for anything, like guard duty? ( Ironic that war dogs spot enemies slower... )--[[User:Karpatius|Karp]] 17:45, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

== Annoying problem with training dogs ==

I have tons of puppies, set to "Unavaliable", yet I never get any non-pet dogs to train. Is there any way to disable pets? This is getting ridiculous now. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:46, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
:unavailable means you can change it to available or ready for slaughter using b for butcher
: only mature dogs can be trained

::Only mature dogs, that are not in a setup cage(it can be in a stockpile though), can be trained. --[[User:PencilinHand|PencilinHand]] 19:02, 25 January 2009 (EST)

== The Life of a dog ==

A dog amazingly took down a troll by itself and now is dying from injuries. They don't heal right? Oh yeah it was a war dog.--[[User:Seaneat|Seaneat]] 06:14, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

(note, I have deleted two unsigned and very unhelpful comments here)
Dogs with a caretaker will heal. Assign the dog to a dwarf (any dwarf will do), and turn on the Animal Care labor on that dwarf. After that, dogs will heal any wound that dwarves can.

I had a puppy that was wounded in a cave-in once: 2 mangled legs, 1 broken paw, moderate (brown) lower spinal chord injury. When it grew to a dog, I trained it as a War Dog and assigned it to my Captain of the Guard. 2 seasons later, the dog was fully healed except for the lower spinal chord injury, which didn't seem to slow it down at all. It went on to kill 4 goblins before I got bored of the game and abandoned the fort. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 17:21, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

== Puppies ==

Do puppies provide the same items if slaughtered as full grown dogs? – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:MrMustard|MrMustard]]
:As of currently, yes. They will provide bones, meat, fat, skin, and chunks just like dogs. (I know you meant quantity. People are speculating that the numbers are 2/3 the full-grown animal except for fat.) --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 17:11, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

:: I dunno about dogs, but kittens provide 2 meat and 2 bone, instead of 3 each for cats. --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 09:53, 8 November 2008 (EST)

== Hunting dogs flow==

I can verify that unassigned hunting dogs follow the trainer just like war dogs. --[[User:PencilinHand|PencilinHand]] 19:09, 25 January 2009 (EST)

==Impotent war dogs==
It seems to me that trained war dogs do not make puppies, regardless if they are assigned or not. Can anyone confirm/deny? --[[User:Liqum|Liqum]] 08:30, 8 February 2009 (EST)
: I can deny that. [[image:WarDogPuppies.JPG]] [[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 16:52, 8 February 2009 (EST)
::What if all of your dogs are war dogs? Do male wardogs "mate" at all?
:::I'm fairly certain they can, I train all of my dogs to wardog status as soon as the mature. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 13:25, 16 February 2009 (EST)

40d Talk:Goblin

2008-12-02T18:40:47Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Fun Snatcher Facts */

==== Thieves & cage traps ====
Not sure that Goblin (master) thieves /can/ evade traps. I've caught a bucketful in cage traps. Didn't know what to do with them, mind... [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 09:23, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I've noticed that when i melt down Narrow Steel Equipment, all i get is Copper! can someone verify this as a bug or intentional? -- Bullion

:I would think that that would be a bug. [[User:Mindsnap|Mindsnap]] 18:42, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Does adding [CURIOUSBEAST_GUZZLER] actually semi-fix sieges? I thought that it didn't. [[User:Mindsnap|Mindsnap]] 18:42, 3 December 2007 (EST)

:Uh, surely this isn't a real tag? --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:15, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::It's used on gnomes, so that they can drink your booze if they find it. Strangely, it's also used on bears. Mindsnap, try <nowiki>[CURIOUSBEAST]</nowiki>. It's not anywhere in the default raws, but it's in the program text so it may be recognised. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 17:38, 12 December 2007 (EST)

== Snatchers / pedophiles ==

Why not just leave it as <s>pedophiles</s> "snatchers"? I think it's funny. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 13:55, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:Why not deal with it as "civilized" people? I mean have some sort of a voting with an argumented discussion on the talk page before a wiki admin say his final word. Those who reverted the change were at least stating something in the summary field. I myself don't think that this bit of humor is appropriate to this article and the user who did it again and again seems to be a vandal for me.--[[User:Another|Another]] 15:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::Whatever you do or say, pedophiles are no laughing matter. What's wrong with you [[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]]? >:( --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:28, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::There are about 30 episodes of Family Guy that would beg to differ. However this turns out, please stop the edit war. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 15:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::I'm very confident that if it continue, it will result in the ban of [[User:Billdauterive|Billdauterive]]. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:I support the word "snatcher" over "pedophile", for three reasons. First, it's more likely to be immediately understood by all wiki readers. Second, we're not talking same-species kiddy snatchers here - these are goblins, and goblins enslave and/or eat dwarf children. Third, why suggest nastiness and smut (as though dwarven kids ''a la carte'' wasn't horrid enough!) in a wiki without firm grounds? [[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 16:07, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::I wasn't suggesting removing the word "snatcher" at all. You've got to agree that it seems a bit peculiar that the snatchers ''only'' target children. Why is it that murderous carp are funny but pedophile goblins are sick? Seems like a double standard to me. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:27, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Nothing strange at all about targetting only children. They're easier to catch, easier for goblins (who are no great size themselves) to carry, can't resist as well, are much more tender when cooked, and can be permanently enslaved more easily. There's just flat-out no reason to bother with any mention of pedophilia. --[[User:Fedor|Fedor]]
:::''Why is it that murderous carp are funny but pedophile <s>goblins</s> are sick?'': Because it's the truth. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 16:42, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::Meh. As long as it stays fantasy I don't have a problem with them. Much. I don't subscribe to the notion of thoughtcrime. It's the pederasts, who act on the urge, that are the criminals. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 17:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::::For the record, it's not just boys that get molested, girls do too. --Gotthard 17:52, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::::Well, if I keep with the current "for the record" trend, I have to say that I would have no problem with having goblin pedophiles in game. It's a simulation afterall. Thing is, the current discussion is related to the article page, which is used in real life by humans and not dwarves. There is also no proof at all that goblin snatchers are pedophile, so not only it is a false entry but, as I said, since it's read by real life humans then the comment can also be considered offensive. Which is my case, I do find it offensive and there's no good reason to justify it. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:10, 12 December 2007 (EST)

:::::: Certainly. I know that. Pederasty is the closest word we have, though. Statutory rape, while applicable, is a broader term. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:46, 12 December 2007 (EST)

::::::The only reason I made the distinction is that girls are far more likely to suffer long term damage from sexual abuse. Pederasty refers only to males. Anyway, [[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] I don't think the term should be in the article unless for some reason it is in the game. My 'for the record' comment was more off topic on the definition of the word than an attack. [[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] and I seem to be on the same page anyway. --Gotthard 19:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::::::A through search of the games strings turns up no occurances of '''pedo''', '''pede''', or '''rape'''. '''Sex''' occurs only in the word '''''sex'''tuplets'', and in the programming term ''RegisterClas'''sEx'''''. For what that's worth. I will add my personal opinion that I also think it doesn't belong in the article. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 20:03, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::::::To be fair, 'rape' is a word in the in-game goblin language, and often appears as a surname, or civilization name. I do agree that this oughtn't be in the article, though; I suspect that children are probably taken for eating, not raping. —[[User:Captain Epix|Captain Epix]] 22:51, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Besides, murderous carp aren't real to life the way pedophilia is. A large zombie fish attacking a mythological creature is a bit more abstract than the a pedophile (traditionally viewed as human) molesting a small child. Frankly, I like the lack of swearing and general offensiveness of the wiki, it's a nice change compared to most of the internet. Why spoil that for the ones that like it, for information that is unclear and doesn't help understanding the article? --Gotthard 17:50, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:A thought: assume, arguendo, that the children are stolen for such a purpose. This implies not only rape and statutory rape, but also sex outside one's species. (Not quite bestiality, but similar. We don't have a word for sex with a sapient that is not of one's own species.) And since there are many snatchers, this must be sanctioned by goblin society. How warped they must be! Comments? —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 18:54, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::''We don't have a word for sex with a sapient that is not of one's own species.'' Isn't that more or less what the word yiffing means? --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 19:19, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:::Point. Though I think it hasn't entered the mainstream. Another one: in the ''Ringworld'' series, there's the concept of 'rishathra', ceremonial inter-species (though all descended from homo erectus) sex for the purpose of sealing trade agreements and alliances. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 19:53, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::::Mainstream? Crossbreeding would be a scientific term. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 12:01, 25 February 2008 (EST)
'''I find it surprising that such a large debate has resulted [[User_talk:Billdauterive|from the actions of an obvious vandal.]]''' --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 20:04, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:Yeah, that comment's not scoring him any points. Although at least he appears to have stopped editing the page. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 21:05, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:It's not like I like to talk about those things, but I thought it was important to have a discussion against the idea of having pedophilia added to a page when it's unneeded... Read above. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 23:18, 12 December 2007 (EST)
::I don't believe there was a chance it ''would'' be added, discussion or no. At best it was a crude, immature attempt at humor. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:17, 13 December 2007 (EST)
:::[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] started this discussion, and I've taken his first comment as a suggestion to consider it. It was enough for me. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 22:04, 13 December 2007 (EST)

== Goblin Siege ==

it´s the year 1059 and I stillwaiting for a goblin siege. the kitnappers are comming since 2 years already...

I have the newest verison (0.27.169.33g)
so what´s wrong?
:Are you sure goblins have access to your fortress? You should be able to see that on the embark screen. If goblins used to raid you all the time (like me) and you don't see them at all since the new version (like me), goblin sieges might be broken again... (I'm very happy to have been able to play almost two years now without invasions... I now have almost double amount of dwarves and I can trade now!) --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 07:47, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::sorry. that waqs just a bad timing. (10 minutes later the goblins came. late but now they are here)
::bad luck ^^;
::by the way...since the first dig in the mountain I am waiting for the goblins (I have over 400 traps) and a bridge-system with fortifications...so it was a little bit boring without goblins. no matter >:D
::thank you for your help!
:::No problems... I've seen so many people complaining about the lack of gobling sieges since 33g that I was wondering myself if they were broken or not. They're supposed to attack you now instead of sitting on the edge of the map, can you confirm that? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 08:42, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::::of course they do. but they came in where no connection was (okok...it was a bridge)
::::so I had to dig a new way...and yes they are very agressive! I wondered why the goblin force came exacly at the beginning of 1060...coincidence?
:::::Depends if you're playing a game from a fortress ported from lower versions like me or not. Hard to say when you're playing an old game and didn't start the fortress on a world generated on the same version. It could be anything that Toady ajusted and you're simply over a certain limit by far and it takes a while before they raid you again... From that point on, it's only speculation unless some specific corrolations can be made. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 09:17, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::::::it´s an old version generated world.

== add smth about timing? ==

Goblins seem to prefer arriving with caravans. Comments? Any guesses on percentage distribution?

:I believe there's an event chance when something like caravan appears. Once i had a goblin squad spawn along with human caravan, after a reload, @same place&time it didn't happen. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 12:05, 25 February 2008 (EST)
::things seem to like arriving in the middle of a season. that includes caravans, thieves, ambushes, and migrants. -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 02:45, 1 March 2008 (EST)

:::For me, goblins always show up with the elves so I dont need to worry about trading with them. --CrazyMcfobo

== Protection? ==

Ive noticed that there are 3 ways to dispose of goblins.

1. Make huge walls of cage traps to capture them and then proceed to drown them in your flooding chamber. This also prevents blood from getting on the goblins so the elves will trade for their items. (Thieves cannot be moved as they escape from cages as you take them out)

2. Make a choke point at the entrance of your base and fire your ballistas! Usually around 4 should do the trick if they are close together. When they come, call in all your dwarves, and arm your ballistas. Once they enter the choke point, have them fire at will and they will be disposed of.

3. Of course you can always set up zounds of stone-fall traps all over your map.

4. armies work to start, but goblin champions are quite excellent at striking down your armies through fortifications and platemail.

== Become friends with your fellow Goblin!==

Goblins are fun to kill. I like watching them suffer as a barrage of bolts rains down upon the. Sometimes I watch them drown with a kitten in there to see if it survives. I look forward to goblins and their trolls. Oh goblins! Come to me now!
--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 14:42, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
:Is there any way to speed up the goblin ambushes?--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 18:12, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
::Letting the kobolds/goblins steal from you makes them come with better gear I believe, but I am not sure about whether or not they come faster. --[[User:Wafl|Wafl]] 22:30, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

== The goblin annoyance ==

These forces of vile darkness are invading me more than once a year. I barely have time to clean off the battle-field before the next force arrives. This has, of course supplied me with 40+ bins of valuable goblin clothing, as well as a ridiculous amount of iron from melting down their gear. I can defeat these forces easily enough with my 50+ crossbow dwarfs raining death down upon them, but really, enough is enough. Are these attacks ever going to cease or slow down a bit? --[[User:Wafl|Wafl]] 14:28, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

::Nope. In further versions, it will be possible to affect the world map, and other cities/towers/forts. I imagine that this will mean that at some point, a goblin civilization will run out of goblins, or you can take over their city. --[[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 20:33, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

== Snatcher message ==

When the game tells you "A kidnapper has made off with Baby (name)!" does that mean the child has been successfully taken off the map? Or just that it has been grabbed? I never noticed any other warning about the snatcher so I'm guessing it succesfully remained invisible...? The baby doesn't show up on the unit list, nor does the snatcher. [[User:Caradhras|Caradhras]] 21:47, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

: "made off" means he successfully left the map with the baby. [[User:Qwertyu|Qwertyu]] 06:34, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

===Releasing Caged Children===
I got a message "(Child) has canceled sleep: Caged", and (I'm pretty sure) I killed the snatcher before he managed to leave. How do I get the child back?
:if you drowned him your probably out of luck, otherwise have the child's cage built, or have him moved to another cage/restraint, then free him--[[User:Eerr|Eerr]] 15:47, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
===master thieves===
it appears i have a goblin master thief in my cage trap, perhaps they're not trap-immune unless stealthed?
:No thief is 100% immune to traps. They have a certain chance to avoid traps whether sneaking or revealed. Kobolds are a lot better at it than goblins, but even they aren't completely immune. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 13:22, 7 November 2008 (EST)

::Theoretically that would mean you can even catch a demon... O_o --[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 21:48, 7 November 2008 (EST)

::: You can catch ''anything'' with a cage trap. Demons (well in fact, I think they're immune to traps, but I'm not a Proficien Raw Reader), dragons, colossi, giant eagle, elephants, dwarves (well, when they're unconscious), titans, everything. And this, even with a wooden, or worse, a ''glass'' cage (more exactly, a terrarium). [[User:Timst|Timst]] 06:20, 8 November 2008 (EST)

::::Well, demons have [TRAPAVOID], unlike all those others. So do kobolds. Goblins don't have it, although goblin thieves seem to.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:49, 8 November 2008 (EST)

===Fun Snatcher Facts===
It might be nice if goblin snatchers had their own page so there was someplace relevant to put this other than a talk page...

-If a Goblin Snatcher successfully makes it off the map with a child, you can find the exact square the child was snatched from by zooming to the child from the Relationship screen of a dwarf still present on the map (say, the parent). Basically, despite being removed from the (U)nit list, they can still be 'found' via the relationship list because they still retain friends/family/etc...

-Snatched children receive a happy thought from being grabbed, which you can see if you go to (v)iew from the relationship screen: "(S)he is happy to be free."

--[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:52, 2 December 2008 (EST)
:I changed the Snatcher redirect to [[Thief]] instead of [[Goblin]]. Snatchers are considered a type of thief. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 13:40, 2 December 2008 (EST)

40d Talk:Civilization

2008-11-24T14:55:52Z

HeWhoIsPale:

Note: it seems as if removing any one of these completely (just deleting their entry from the entity_ raw) will cause infinite map rejects; the world generation seems to require (at least?) one of each category. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 17:50, 8 February 2008 (EST)

I am using small worlds (33x33) for experimenting and the dwarven civ often doesn't have any "leaders" thus no kings - how would a game play out on such a world? Obviously you dont get a liaison, but what about nobles/king? Is there a way to determine if a king is present from the world map alone? Or how "big" a dwarven civ is or smth like that? Could the world even evolve while you play and "produce" a king? --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 23:05, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

So, I've noticed several instances of Evil Dwarf Kingdoms, has anyone else?--[[User:Loganis|Loganis]] 02:24, 12 November 2008 (EST)

:When a settlement of another race is captured, it doesn't change the settlement type on the map even though it does note the race change. This can produce 'Dark Dwarven Fortresses' or even 'Forest Retreats'. The conquering civilization must be able to survive in the terrain type being captured, so you won't see elves leaving the forests or humans heading into mountain ranges. However, since forests can be converted into grasslands, humans seem to enjoy conquering elves and getting them to become pikemasters, wear chainmail, and assume leadership of their towns.--[[User:Navian|Navian]] 02:36, 12 November 2008 (EST)

I've got contact with two different human civilizations. I've also noticed two goblin ambush parties that were led by a human (with lots of bone accessories like rings and bracelets). Has Toady made it so more civilizations can raid you? What this game really needs as part of the war arc is a decent diplomacy interface so you can make peace with various civs and get them to send trade caravans (or add a trade arc where you can send your own!). --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 09:27, 24 November 2008 (EST)
:Children goblins kidnap will join goblin forces for ambushes and sieges when they grow up. Since they are bigger and tougher then goblins, they will likely end-up being squad leaders. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 09:55, 24 November 2008 (EST)

40d:Shop

2008-11-24T14:52:12Z

HeWhoIsPale:

{{Building|name=Shop|key=z
|job=
None
|construction=
3 of
* [[Block]]
* [[Stone]]
* [[Wood]]
|construction_job=
Skill appropriate to building material
|purpose=
Allows dwarves to purchase items
}}
A '''shop''' is a 5x5 [[building]] that only appears in your {{K|b}}uild screen under the {{K|z}} key once the [[dwarven economy]] has started.

Shops will sell to your [[dwarves]] a selection of items already found in your fort. Items will automatically be hauled to the shop, where they will be up for purchase by other dwarves. Each shop has capacity for 10 items at a time.

Each shop has a [[shopkeeper]]. By default this will be either your [[bookkeeper]] or your [[broker]], but any dwarf who is wealthy enough can buy the shop from them. A shop has a starting price of ☼200, but its value goes up proportional to the items that have been hauled there. This means that a shop can quickly become unaffordable to every dwarf in your fortress, especially if your dwarves choose to haul high-quality gear, or gear that is made of expensive materials like [[silk|cave spider silk]]. These objects can sit in the shop for ages, clogging up your item slots and making it impossible for your dwarves to acquire things they need. Many users tear down and rebuild shops when this happens, or just build more shops.

It is unknown at the moment how shopping works, but buying an item in a shop gives a dwarf a happy thought.

When you build a shop you have no way to determine which specific type of shop is created. Your dwarves will instead choose what type of shop to make of it; whether they choose randomly or with purpose is unknown.
Based on this variety of shops and the 10 item limit per shop, it is recommended you build several shops.

=== Shop Types ===
*'''General Store''' - Sells a bit of everything.
*'''Crafts Market''' - Sells [[crafts|crafted goods]].
*'''Clothing Shop''' - Sells [[clothing]].
*'''Exotic Clothing Shop''' - Sells clothing that doesn't fit on the dwarves (narrow, large, small)

{{Buildings}}

40d Talk:Trap

2008-11-24T14:48:06Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Crossbow Trap? */

== Cage traps clarification ==

I think I know the answer, but are ANY sort of cages suitable for trapping any kind of invading monster (except those that evade traps altogether, such as kobalds). The page mentions a glass trap catching a colossus, but will that also apply to a rickety wooden trap? I haven't produced any glass. --[[User:RustyMcloon|Rusty Mcloon]] 06:18, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
:Yes. I've had a bronze colossus trapped in an Ashen Cage before. I don't think creatures care what you trap them in.--[[User:Dadamh|Dadamh]] 14:59, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

== cage traps for food ==
Couldn't one generate a mild supplementary food source by putting cage traps out on the map at random? Or create rows of them to catch aggressive creatures that are chasing down a fleeing dwarf. The ability to place them on the surface has some interesting possibilities. [[User:Kefkakrazy|Kefkakrazy]] 04:45, 4 November 2007 (EST)

: You can really do this with any kind of trap now - I built a 1 tile wide stair/corridor up an exposed cliff face, and as I was concerned about goblins and the like I stonefall-trapped it. Ever since then some of the local wildlife has used it to get up and down the 5 z-level cliff, with predictable and hilarious results. The goats just die, but the marmots are hurled off the cliff face to splatter on the ground below. It's a nice easy meat/leather/fat source, as well as being entertaining "Dwarfy McDwarf cancels reload stone trap - interrupted by (flying) hoary marmot" [[User:Acama|Acama]] 19:48, 20 December 2007 (EST)

==berserk dwarves==
Will berserk dwarves set off pressure plates? Toady mentioned he was going to stop that from happening [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:39, 4 November 2007 (EST)

On a possibly related note, pets CAN set off traps. Although in my experience the pet has to be falling unconscious to do so. [[User:Anonymousphrase|Anonymousphrase]] 22:43, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

[[image:Pet_setting_off_trap.png]]

It may also be the case that you can also get pets killed by a trap if they're in the square when a hostile sets off the trap. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 12:42, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

==flooding a spiked pit==
Will flooding a spiked pit break or cancel the spike trap? I'd test this, but I don't have the channel dug in yet. --[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 18:30, 5 November 2007 (EST)
:confirmed that flooding doesn't affect spear/spike traps. [[User:YayTheDwarves|YayTheDwarves]] 17:52, 6 January 2008 (EST)

I'm pretty sure the "corpse stuck in trap" chance is 50%, according to Toady either on IRC or some forgotten forum post a few months back. I really can't remember for sure. -[[User:EarthquakeDamage|EarthquakeDamage]] 02:31, 10 November 2007 (EST)

==cage traps/ fire imps==
I've secured the entries oy my magma furnaces with cage traps, but it seems that the fire imps just walk through.
Just as the Giant moles did. How so? --[[User:Doub|Doub]]
:supposedly there is a bug that causes any creatures on the map when it is generated to count as residents, and thus know where your traps are and not trigger them. I've never run into the problem myself, but I've never specifically tested for it so I can't really say for sure if it still exists (or ever did). --[[User:BurnedToast|BurnedToast]] 07:41, 6 January 2008 (EST)
:I had read about this and tried it out with a trapped coridoor next to my magma vent - an imp I tempted out walked right through 4 cage traps and 4 stonefall traps without triggering them. Seems like indigenous life is currently trap-immune. Most magma creatures can be dealt with by a few marksdwarves though, so you're only in serious trouble if you have a herd of skeletal hippos on your map on embark.--[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 15:42, 19 January 2008 (EST)
::There's always the menacing spike + lever combo. And pits. [[User:Benitosimies|Benitosimies]] 16:08, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
::I've killed fire imps and magmamen with stone fall traps --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 01:20, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
:I've caught native fire imps in cage traps loaded with green glass terrariums. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 21:42, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

==Trolls and Cages==
I'm planning on making the only passage to my fortress filled with cage traps, but I'm not sure if dwarves going out and migrants and traders coming in will be affected by them. Does anyone know? Also, do trolls smash goblin cages? [[User:Patarak|Patarak]] 21:41, 23 January 2008 (EST)
:Only hostile units will trigger traps. Trolls only smash buildings and after a goblin is captured the cage is not built. So the answer to your second question is no. --[[User:Karlito|Karlito]] 21:45, 23 January 2008 (EST)
::Make sure to forbid the traps when the siege starts. Otherwise your dwarves will rush out to reload them and store all the cages. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 22:53, 23 January 2008 (EST)

==Thieves and trap avoidance==
Is it possible that Kobold thieves/Goblin master thieves can also trigger traps? I think I killed one and caged another master thief in the past. Maybe the quality of the mechanism is important here? --[[User:Qwertyu|Qwertyu]] 13:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC+1)

:goblin thieves, both regular and master, have always triggered traps -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 14:18, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

::So why does the article then say "Sneaking enemies do not trigger traps"? Goblin master thieves seem very sneaky to me. --[[User:Qwertyu|Qwertyu]] 20:33 17 March 2008 (UTC+1)

:::once goblin thieves are revealed they are captured fine. even revealed kobolds dont trigger. -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 15:45, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
:::: At least "normal" goblin thieves are scewered fine without being detected, says my weapon trap --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 16:58, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
:::: I have to agree with Koltom, I got an "Ambush" event when a goblin (master) thief went into a cage trap, and had another one cut to pieces by a serrated disc, which I only noticed when suddenly all my dwarves rushed off to remove his clothes. --[[User Quertyu|Qwertyu]] 13:31 (UTC+1)
:::: Weapon traps apparently have a chance of friendly fire. At least, that's what the ghost of my Kitten(tame) told me... [[User:QMarx|QMarx]] 18:48, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

== Crossbow Trap? ==

How does a crossbow trap work? Does it have line of sight, like a Dwarf? – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Lordmick134|Lordmick134]]

Ranged weapons in weapon traps work much the same as melee weapons do, attacking the creature which triggered the trap. The only real difference in functionality seems to be that they require and use up appropriate ammunition, and (according to the article) do not get occasionally stuck and need cleaning like melee weapons in a weapon trap do. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 21:31, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

How much ammo gets loaded into a crossbow trap? I have 10 individual bolts in one and a stack of 39 in another. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 09:48, 24 November 2008 (EST)

== Trapping cave dwellers ==

Has anyone sucessfully caged a cave dwelling megabeast? I have tried on two seperate maps to capture a minotaur and an ettin, both times the monster just run right through the cage traps. Perhaps creatures that are spawned on embark are bugged immune to traps?

as said above, some creatures that spawn on the map dont seem to be caught in traps. however, i successfully caught and with the dugeon master, tamed, a giant cave spider that was living in my chasm. I designated it as available for a pet. a legendary engraver adopted it, so i drafted him and am training him up now. hopefully the giant cave spider that now follows him everywhere will be happy to defend its owner against goblins. megabeasts that spawn and attack you can be caged, in fact, its the easiest way by far to deal with them. some, like dragons can then be tamed. im assuming your etin and minotaur fall under the aforementioned bug... try a later game version. --[[User:FruityBix|FruityBix]] 13:04, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

==Weapon Trap Jamming==
The page says crossbow weapon traps don't jam, but what about a trap with a crossbow and a melee weapon? Does the crossbow still fire if the trap jams? Or does a trap have to be pure crossbows to avoid jamming? --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 01:21, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

== Trap betrayals? ==

Has anyone else been betrayed by their own traps? I had a dog and a crossbowman killed by weapons traps. Serrated iron disks ripped through their bodies like the bloody tusks of enraged elephants.

Correction. A dog, a crossbowman, and a miner. Will the slaughter never end?--[[User:Amenos42|Amenos42]] 12:08, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I've noticed that traps tend to fire on people/animals with injuries. They've killed lots of 3 legged dogs for me, and a soldier that was dragging himself off the field.

: Traps will (also) trip for any and all unconscious individuals. That may be or be one of the reasons. [[User:Drawf irons|Drawf irons]] 20:53, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

::Does that include dead individuals? And is it possible to get my dead dog out of his cage? --[[User:Groveller|Groveller]] 01:32, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

:::Mark it for dumping? That's usually the solution as to how to get anything out of anywhere! --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 09:34, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

== Cage Trap Question ==

I recently received the message that there was a goblin snatcher in my fortress. It zoomed the page to one of the 3 cage traps. I took the game off pause and it gave me the same message again. Now I have two cave traps sprung, and when I press "k" and go over them, one says : "goblin cage (Larch)" and the other says "Goblin cage(nickel)". Does this mean I have successfully caught the scoundrels? Or are they still at large?

:If there is a flashing 'g' then yes, if no than It could be possibly a bug.[[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 08:25, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

== Stone Fall Update: Watch Out!! ==

This is as of release '''0.28.181.39f''': in the past hour I saw two of my own dwarves - both normal healthy members of society - get killed in two different stone fall traps I'd had set up. Clearly, the old rule that dwarves are immune to their own traps is no longer entirely accurate...unless there's a bug going on here? Has anyone else fallen prey to this occurrence? [[User:Grand marquis|Grand marquis]] 06:31, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

:See two sections up. :P Anything unconscious will trigger traps currently - did those dwarves fall asleep on the trap square maybe? I've changed the section on triggering traps, so it gives at least a little hint that backfiring is now possible! --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 09:33, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

== Room of Spiky Death ==
Alright, after a long, long time, I finally got myself a gross(144) of menacing green glass spikes. I'm planning to put them in airlock area of my castle, so that I can trap the goblins who have been annoying me and spike them to death. Each trap will use ten spikes, and there are 14 of them. There's an animal planted as bait, and once I raise both draw bridges, there's no way out. Can anyone tell me if there is something I should know before embarking on this death spree? -[[User:Cypress|Cypress]] 14:47, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Yes. Be prepared for blood. lots and lots of blood. also, it will be awesome.--[[User:Jackrabbit|Jackrabbit]] 00:56, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

== Stop dwarves from automaticaly cleaning traps and getting killed. ==

its in the title. first big siege comes in, hits the first line of traps in my entry hall of death, and then half the fortress runs out en mass to clean them, getting killed by the goblins in front and the ballista bolts from behind. they also block my military from getting past. this is agonizing! children, peasants, legendary craftsdwarves and nobles all are susceptible. aaaaarrrrrrggh! --[[User:FruityBix|FruityBix]] 17:35 30 September 2008 UTC
:Lock the doors. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 22:49, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

== Caged Creatures and Loot ==

''In this case remove the poor fellow using the goblin's inventory screen.''

I just caught my first goblin in my outer line of defenses! It wasn't even complete yet. *dances* Only, I can't seem to access the bugger's inventory screen. How get his goods off him without killing him? --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 04:12, 7 November 2008 (EST)
:Mark the bag (or whatever) he's holding for dumping via the stocks screen. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 09:29, 7 November 2008 (EST)

40d:Strange mood

2008-11-18T18:00:06Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Failure */

Periodically, individual dwarves are struck with an idea for a [[legendary artifact]] and enter a '''strange mood'''. Any dwarf which enters a strange mood will stop whatever they are doing and pursue the construction of this artifact to the exclusion of all else. They will not stop to eat, drink, sleep, or even run away from dangerous creatures. If they do not manage to begin construction of the artifact within a handful of months, they will go [[Strange mood#Failure|insane]] and die soon afterward.
==Overview==
The entire process can be summarised as follows:
# Strange moods can only occur when the below necessary [[#Conditions|conditions]] are met.
# The game will pause, center on a dwarf, and announce that the dwarf has entered one of five different types of strange mood. The [[#Types|types of mood]] are listed below. While in a mood, a dwarf will display a blinking exclamation point (see [[status icons]]).
# The dwarf will claim a workshop, kick out any dwarf who was using it, and render it unusable until the mood has been resolved. If a moody dwarf does not claim a workshop, it is because the appropriate workshop does not exist. See [[#Skills and workshops|skills and workshops]] below to determine which workshop(s) might be required.
# After claiming a workshop, the dwarf will set about collecting the required materials for their artifact. If the dwarf remains idle inside the workshop, it's because they cannot find the right material. Reference the [[#Demands|demands]] section to determine what may be required.
# Once all materials have been gathered, the game will once again pause and center, and the moody dwarf will begin construction. Upon completion the dwarf will gain a legendary skill (unless the mood type is [[#Possessed|possessed]]). See the [[#Skills and workshops|skills and workshops]] for information on which skills can be gained, or the [[#Artifacts created|artifacts created]] section for more details on the artifacts themselves.

== Conditions ==
Strange moods can only occur when there is no currently active strange mood, there are eligible dwarves, you have had a population higher then 20 at some point and the maximum number of artifacts is not met. If all three of these conditions are true, the game may trigger a strange mood according to the frequency below.

=== Eligibility ===
Military and civilian dwarves, and children, may enter strange moods regardless of what skills they have. Dwarves who have created an artifact are not eligible to create another, and since every mood ends in either death or an artifact, every dwarf may enter at most one mood. Dwarves who have obtained one or more legendary skills without creating artifacts may enter strange moods. Appointed [[nobles]] may create artifacts, but immigrated nobles may not{{verify}}.

=== Maximum number of artifacts ===
The maximum number of artifacts in any one fortress is limited by the lower of:
* The number of items created divided by 200. It is unknown whether mined-out rock counts as an "item created", or whether bolts and units of drink are counted individually.
* The number of revealed [[subterranean]] tiles divided by 2308 (this is an area equivalent to a 48x48 square). This means using the [[Exploratory mining|exploratory methods]] is a great way to increase your artifact limit.

=== Frequency ===
When a fortress is started, an internal counter is set to 1000. Around 11 or 12 times per day, this counter is decremented by 1. When the counter would ordinarily be decremented when it has already reached zero, there is a 1 in 500 chance that a strange mood will strike. This means there is approximately a 2.7% chance of a strange mood per day, and a 48.97% chance of a strange mood per month, when all conditions are met.

== Types ==
The first message in the following sections is how the mood is announced; the second message appears in the dwarf's profile when he or she is viewed with the {{K|v}} key. All moody dwarves will have "Strange Mood" listed as their active task.

=== Fey ===
* ''Taken by a fey mood!''
* ''Has the aspect of one fey!''

This is the most basic strange mood. Fey dwarves will clearly state their demands when the workshop they are in is examined.

=== Secretive ===
* ''Withdraws from society...''
* ''Peculiarly secretive...''

Secretive moods are the same as fey moods, except a secretive dwarf will sketch pictures of their required materials instead of clearly stating their demands.

=== Possessed ===
* ''Has been possessed!''
* ''Possessed by unknown forces!''

Possessed dwarves have cryptic material requests, and have the unfortunate distinction of not receiving any experience upon successful construction of an artifact. It is unknown if controllable circumstances lead to a possessed mood instead of one of the more desirable fey or secretive moods.

=== Fell ===
* ''Looses a roaring laughter, fell and terrible!''
* ''Has a horrible fell look!''

A dwarf that goes into a fell mood will always take over a [[butcher's shop]] or a [[tanner's shop]]. The dwarf will then ''murder'' the nearest dwarf, drag the corpse into the shop and make some sort of object out of dwarf [[leather]] or [[bone]]. Once the artifact is completed, the fell dwarf will become a legendary [[bone carver]] or [[leatherworker]]. Strangely, none of the other dwarves seem to mind the murder. Only unhappy dwarves may enter a fell mood.

Aside from the potential loss of an important dwarf in the wrong place at the wrong time, there doesn't seem to be any downside to a fell mood. The end result is always an artifact and a legendary craftsdwarf. Since the only ingredient used (a dwarf) is available in abundance, a fell mood will only fail if the fell dwarf is completely isolated from other dwarves, or if the proper workshop does not exist.

=== Macabre ===
* ''Begins to stalk and brood...''
* ''Brooding darkly...''

Macabre moods are similar to fell moods, but the dwarf will not murder a fellow dwarf. A macabre dwarf may require dwarf bones, skulls, and chunks/remains; if you do not happen to have any, you will have to "make" some, or let the moody dwarf go insane. Like fell moods, only unhappy dwarves can enter macabre moods.

== Skills and workshops ==
{| class="wikitable" cellpadding="4" style="border:1px solid black;border-collapse:collapse;text-align:left;float:right;margin:0 0 20px 30px;"
|-
! colspan="2" style="background-color:#eee;border-bottom:1px solid black;text-align:center;" | Artifact Skill Rewards
|-
! Highest skill
! Workshop used
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Armorsmith]]
| [[Magma forge]] or [[Metalsmith's forge]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Bonecarver]]
| [[Craftsdwarf's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Bowyer]]
| [[Bowyer's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Carpenter]]
| [[Carpenter's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Clothier]]
| [[Clothier's shop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Engraver]]
| [[Craftsdwarf's workshop]] or [[Mason's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Gem cutter]]
| [[Jeweler's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Gem setter]]
| [[Jeweler's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Glassmaker]]
| [[Glass furnace]] or [[Magma glass furnace]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Leatherworker]]
| [[Leatherworks]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Mason]]
| [[Mason's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Mechanic]]
| [[Mechanic's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Metal crafter]]
| [[Magma forge]] or [[Metalsmith's forge]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Metalsmith (skill)|Metalsmith]]
| [[Magma forge]] or [[Metalsmith's forge]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Miner]]
| [[Craftsdwarf's workshop]] or [[Mason's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Stone crafter]]
| [[Craftsdwarf's workshop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Tanner]]
| [[Tanner's shop]] or [[Leather works]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Weaponsmith]]
| [[Magma forge]] or [[Metalsmith's forge]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Weaver]]
| [[Clothier's shop]]
|- style="border-top:1px solid #aaa;vertical-align:top;"
| [[Wood crafter]]
| [[Craftsdwarf's workshop]]
|}

A dwarf will claim a workshop according to their highest applicable skill, and upon completion of the artifact, gain 20,000 [[experience]] in that skill (excepting possessed dwarves). This will give the dwarf a legendary-level [[skill]] (specifically, "legendary+1" or higher, depending on the dwarf's initial skill level) and a number of [[attribute]] gains. The table to the right describes all applicable skills and their potential workshop requirements. When multiple workshops are listed, the dwarf may require one or the other, so ensure both are available, if possible. (i.e. if you have a magma forge, you may have to build a regular forge for him). If a dwarf does not possess one of the listed skills, they will take over a [[craftsdwarf's workshop]] and gain one of the [[bonecarver]], [[stone crafter]], or [[wood crafter]] skills.

Dwarves with only the following skills will construct their artifact at a craftsdwarf's workshop:

{|
|- style="vertical-align:top;"
| style="padding-right:30px;" |
* [[Ambusher]]
* [[Animal caretaker]]
* [[Animal dissector]]
* [[Animal trainer]]
* [[Building designer|Architect]]
* [[Brewer]]
* [[Butcher]]{{Verify}}
* [[Cheese maker]]{{Verify}}
* [[Cook]]
* [[Dyer]]
* [[Fish cleaner]]
* [[Fish dissector]]
* [[Fisherdwarf]]
* [[Furnace Operator]]
* [[Grower]]
|
* [[Herbalist]]{{Verify}}
* [[Lye maker]]{{Verify}}
* [[Milker]]
* [[Miller]]
* [[Potash maker]]{{Verify}}
* [[Pump operator]]
* [[Siege engineer]]
* [[Siege operator]]
* [[Soaper]]{{Verify}}
* [[Thresher]]
* [[Trapper]]
* [[Wood cutter]]
* [[Wood burner]]
* All [[military]] skills
* All [[social skills]]

|}

This fact can be utilized to maximize the possibility of getting a dwarf with a legendary skill you want: where possible, make sure each dwarf's highest skill is one of those you want. Have all your peasants, growers, soldiers (you will have to temporarily deactivate them from the military), and other dwarves without skills do a tiny bit of work in the skill(s) you most want (Armorsmith is possibly the most-desired legendary skill); if a "dabbling" skill is the highest they have, that is the skill that will be used.

 

== Demands ==
Once a workshop is claimed, the dwarf will begin collecting materials. Each artifact will require between one and ten materials to complete. If the moody dwarf remains idle, then the necessary materials are not available. [[Forbidden]] items must be reclaimed ({{K|d}} - {{K|b}} - {{K|c}}) before they may be used, but moody dwarves will ignore settings regarding [[economic stone]]. Press {{K|q}} and highlight the workshop to receive a series of clues about what the dwarf needs. Hints that stay active for longer than about 2 seconds mean multiple pieces of that material will be required. Materials will always be fetched in order, so if at least one item has already been retrieved (the items will show up with "TSK" next to them when the workshop is viewed with the {{K|t}} context menu), it will usually be possible to tell what item is required next.

If a dwarf has a personality preference for a specific material, such as Bismuth or Steel, then that specific sub type of material may be required, such as a [[diorite]] [[stone]], [[bronze]] [[bar]]s, or a specific type of raw [[gem]]. For this reason, it is usually a good idea to keep as many types of material on hand as possible, including raw and cut gems and the three different kinds of glass.

The various demands are translated here:

{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:left;width:90%;"
|-
! Material
! Fey
! Secretive
! Possessed
|-
|
| <dwarf> screams "I must have <demand>!"
| <dwarf> sketches pictures of <demand>.
| <dwarf> mutters "<artifact> needs <demand>..."
|-
| [[Stone]]
| rock{{verify}}
| a quarry
| stone... rock
|-
| Stone [[block]]
| rock blocks
| square blocks
| blocks... bricks
|-
| [[Wood]]
| wood logs
| a forest
| tree... life
|-
| Metal [[bar]]
| metal bars
| shining bars of metal
| bars... metal
|-
| [[Gem]]s (cut)
| cut gems
| cut gems
| gems... shining
|-
| [[Gem]]s (raw)
| rough gems
| rough gems
| rough... color
|-
| [[Glass]] (green)
| raw green glass
| glass
| raw... green
|-
| [[Glass]] (clear)
| ?
| glass and burning wood
| raw... clear
|-
| [[Glass]] (crystal)
| ?
| rough gems and glass
| raw... crystal
|-
| [[Bone]]
| bones
| skeletons
| bones... yes
|-
| [[Shell]]
| shells
| a shell
| a shell...
|-
| [[Leather]]
| tanned hides
| stacked leather
| leather... skin
|-
| [[Cloth]] (plant)
| plant fiber cloth
| stacked cloth
| cloth... thread
|-
| [[Cloth]] (silk)
| silk cloth
| stacked cloth
| cloth... thread
|}

== Artifacts created ==
The type of artifact created will depend on the dwarf's highest skill. Masons will always create some kind of stone object, usually furniture; Bone Carvers, a bone or shell object; Carpenters, a wood object, etc. Miners and engravers will usually turn out a stone craft or piece of furniture; furnace operators, a metal craft or piece of furniture; Weavers, an article of clothing; Tanners, a leather armor or object. The precise type of craft created is usually somewhat random but if a dwarf has a personality preference for a particular thing, such as gauntlets or crossbows, and that thing is an available choice given the dwarf's profession, he will generally create an object of that type.

The first object grabbed by the dwarf will be the "primary" substance; all other materials will be used to decorate the artifact. If a dwarf grabs onyx and makes a bed, for instance, it will be an "onyx bed", but an artifact can potentially be composed of bone, cloth, gems, leather, metal, shell, stone, and wood all at once. In some cases, glass makers will actually grab the nearest rough gem instead of a piece of raw glass, leading to such odd constructions as a [[Moss agate]] [[coffer]].

Once created, the [[artifact]] will be available for use just like a normal item of its type. Artifact furniture is useful for high value [[noble]] rooms, and weapons can be used to great effect in combat. Artifact weapons in weapon traps can also boost a room's value considerably, as in the case of trap components weapons.

== Failure ==
If you can't provide all the required items within a couple of months, the dwarf will go insane and cancel the artifact. This [[insanity]] can take several forms:

* Become melancholy. The dwarf will either refuse to eat or drink until dead, or drown themselves at some point. They may also hurl themselves into the [[river]], [[chasm]], or [[magma]] immediately.
* Become a babbling wreck. A dwarf experiencing this will drop all the items he or she is wearing, one by one, and eventually starve to death.
* Go on a murderous rampage.

The first two outcomes are harmless (except to the moody dwarf, who will die), but you may want to station a squad nearby or assign a few war dogs to the dwarf on the chance that they will lash out. If you build your workshops inside enclosed rooms (with doors), you can also lock the moody dwarf in the room until he or she starves.

Anything that would cause the dwarf to cancel the strange mood job (like being attacked or having the workshop destroyed, or unpowered after claiming) will cause [[insanity]]. Note that the [[insanity]] can happen even when the dwarf is not deadlocked on an item; there have been observed instances where a dwarf goes insane while in the process of carrying a required item back to the commandeered workshop. Notably, giving birth while in a strange mood does not interrupt the dwarf; she will ignore the baby until her mood is resolved and it will wander off in the meantime.

40d Talk:Strange mood

2008-11-18T17:59:07Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* What Workshop? */

Does the new version still have the strange mood? It wouldnt be complete without it!

:It still exists, I've had it happen several times now, I went to the archive wiki and copy/pasted the old page.

::Isnt that why the wiki was nuked? To make sure that no old info lingers? Ill put some "verify" in there, I dont think that the bold text is enough for users to understand that some of this may no longer apply. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 06:03, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::I agree. Although moods themselves don't seem to have been changed in this version, the changes to the stones/ores that they use means that some of the information in this article is no longer true. I'll have a go at cleaning it up when I have the proper time for it, but this wiki definitely needs a 'no copypasting from the archives' rule to avoid screwups like this. If people are going to copypaste old stuff, then it is downright irresponsible of them not to verify the accuracy of the information before committing it to the wiki. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]]

I know, I was a huge fan of that little strange aspect of the old one.

I need my dwarfs to make more swordfish bone swords, and i still need some glass weapons/armor

The moods seem to have changed. One of my dwarfs went fey, made a nice hematite mug, and is now a legendary... Engraver. Very wierd, he also had no stoneworking or other craftdwarf skills. But he was a competent mason. This was also my fifth dwarf who took the same craftworkshop, so it's a bit strange. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 17:36, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Six fey dwarf, all took the craftdwarfshop, now my bowyer took one. Think it might be a bug. Is the 15 artifacts limit still in? --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:34, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:: Whohoo my second legendary engraver made a gold mug. My bowyer became a legendary engraver. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:40, 8 November 2007 (EST)
::: Scratch all that, one of my woodworkers just used a carpenters shop. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 07:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:Have you marked all statements in the article that risks being falsified with <nowiki>{{verify}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 19:41, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Hey, I am getting a dwarf who wants "raw...crystal". Help? -- [[User:Bovinepro|Bovinepro]]
:Probably wants raw crystal glass. I had a dwarf ask for "raw...green", they wanted raw green glass. Looks like Toady might have moved the glass demands out of the "rough...color" category. [[User:Iddq?|Iddq?]]

About the engravers taking over craftdwarf's shops and becoming legendary engravers afterwards is quite true. I recently got a bunch of immigrants, and the engraver that came with them fell into a strange mood before even crossing the bridge on my river. He took over a craftdwarf's workshop and made a basalt scepter, and now he's legendary level in engraving. So yeah, perfect laboratory conditions, he was 100% engraver when he went into his mood and came out a legendary engraver. --[[User:Zhang5|Zhang5]] 17:07, 12 November 2007 (EST)

It seems that no craft skill is required. I just had a peasant go into a strange mood. His skills were: competent marksdwarf; novice wrestler; novice armor wearer. He grabbed a craftsdwarf's workshop and 10 items (3xFelsite, Schorls, Tigereyes, Red Beryls, Giant cave swallow leather, Grizzly Bear Leather, Rough harlequin opals and Ash logs -- guess he has expensive taste?) and churned out an idol in relatively short order. This is my 9th successful mood in this fortress, and I've seen requests for between 3 and 10 items, personally. Since they seem to be increasing in complexity, I've either hit the item cap, or I'm about to break ten :) [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 16:34, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:This is consistent with older versions. Moody peasants would become crafters, and 10 items was the cap. The minimum was 1 item -- generally when constructing a "perfect gem".--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:55, 19 November 2007 (EST)

I had a miner go into a strange mood, take over a mason's workshop, and make a something that got him up to legendary miner status. In my current fort, I have had 6 artifacts made, 2 of which were actual moods and 5 of which were possessions (I can add, one of them failed and the dwarf became a babbling wreck). My dwarves love to use only one item: an oak door (1 item), an olivine coffin (2 items), a turtle shell mask (1 item and is my cheapest artifiact at 3600), a diorite amulet (3 items), and a perfect jelly opal (1 item). --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 18:47, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Where to add the info that in my game (.33c) a miner took over a mason's workshop, became legendary miner and then held the artifact in his right hand instead of a pick, which became 'hauled', then droped the pick and then took the pick with his left hand? He can mine after all these. While holding a 667 weight units cabinet in his right hand. --[[User:Another|Another]] 10:07, 1 December 2007 (EST)

I had dwarf Miller, profecienty Grower who had Fey Mood, and he became a Legendary Mason ....
Is it normal ? [[user:Feydreva|Feydreva]]

One of my dwarves has become possessed and is demanding cloth, bones and stone, which I have plenty of. But he refuses to go fetch them. Is there something I'm doing wrong?—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Patarak|Patarak]] ([[User talk:Patarak|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Patarak|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}
: They want either silk or fiber cloth. Make sure you have both! [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 03:40, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Aargh! One of my dwarves went secretive and is demanding a huge list of stuff. He seems to be demanding two types of stone because the "sketches quarry" message stays on twice as long as the others. I have (and he has gathered) flint: is there any way to tell what kind of stone he wants? --[[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 011:55, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I had a Glassmaker that sat around when I had a lot of Magma Glass Furnaces, but then decided to get going when I made a regular Glass Furnace. Seems like they will only use a specific kind. Not sure yet if it's random. Might be they won't take the Magma Glass Furnace in version 38a. Can anyone verify? --[[User:Afbee|Afbee]] 05:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

: My Glassmaker successfully used Magma Glass Furnace in a fey mood. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 07:54, 24 February 2008 (EST)
:: I just had the same problem. I had a glass maker who wouldn't take over a magma glass furnace. Since I'm creating a glass fortress and had a mess of glass orders piled up, I thought that might have confused the AI and I built 2 more magma glass furnaces. No dice, he didn't want them. After reading this page I decided to create a normal glass furnace. He snapped it up as soon as it was built. --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 04:07, 9 November 2008 (EST)

==Maximum number of artifacts==
Well, I just got my umpteenth mood, and it resulted in the 16th successfully created artifact.(33b) So that 15 cap thing is clearly wrong. As it happens, this single artifact is worth 754,800, and is an adamantine spear decorated with, among other things, adamantine. For the record, in case this data is important to someone tabulating number of ingredients, my moods in order created the following objects using the corresponding number of ingredients: (Flute, 4; Mechanism, 4; Spear, 3; Millstone, 6; Ring, 8; Chest, 7; Cape, 7; Ring, 9; Statue, 8; Idol, 10; earring, 8; Buckler, 8; Table, 3; Mechanism, 10; Bracelet, 5; and Spear, 8). [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:54, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Do fell/macabre moods still exist? I haven't seen any for quite a few versions. It'd be nice to have that verified.—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rabek|Rabek]] ([[User talk:Rabek|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rabek|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}

== clarification on "trade" skills ==

Are trade skills all the skills that produce items with some level of quality? Mainly I want to know if dyer is a trade skill. And how does that work with miner? I didn't think miner was a trade skill. Maybe someone who knows more than me could clarify in the wiki.
I just got my first artifact. It's worth 2400. The dwarf took one log and made a scepter. -[[User:Radtse|Radtse]]

:I don't know exactly, we should make a list of the skills we know are not trade skills. I'll start: my brewer/grower once got a strange mood and made a wood item and gained woodcrafting skill. Let's try to only add to the list when we have experienced a moody dwarf with that skill only.--[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 19:36, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::I'm adding Weaver and Furnace Operator to this list, since they're on the wiki. I haven't seen them myself, but I'm assuming someone else has. Knowing that Furnace Operator is a "fey-able" skill will be quite helpful.-[[User:Radtse|Radtse]] 18:28, 29 December 2007 (EST)

:::Where's cooking fit in? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 20:09, 6 January 2008 (EST)

List of non-trade skills:

* [[Brewer]]
* [[Grower]]
* [[Miller]]
* [[Wood Cutter]]

Skills that may be used and gained by dwarves with no trade skills:

* [[Wood crafter]]
* [[Stone crafter]]

Skills that use a different skill(See list above), but give correct skill:

* [[Miner]]
* [[Engraver]]
* [[Furnace Operator]]
* [[Weaver]]

:::For the record, i can confirm both Furnace Operator and Weaver, since no one else has commented to verify them thus far. (The weaver actually surprised me when it happened). --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:43, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:::I can confirm that a Miner will claim a Mason's shop, and produce a stone item, even with no Mason skill at all. It works just like the wiki says. --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 23:47, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

:::And I can confirm that Wood Cutter does not contribute -- I had a Novice Glassmaker/No Prefix Wood Cutter take a glass furnace. [[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]] 13:48, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

== mood condition ==
The 20 dwarves / no crazy stuff has been found while looking at the binary of v0.27.169.33d, might be different now, but i don't think so. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 15:08, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Regarding the calulations for required maximum existing artifacts (items/200 and dugout/(48*48)) wouldn't it make more sense to either use the squared symbol, or the actual result of that square (which was the original number actually discovered/revealed I believe)? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:17, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:<sup>2</sup> --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 21:28, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

:20 dorf must be still there. I've made low-population fort and I had no mood for ~8 years (from start). I'm sure that I've digged at least 2700 tiles and created at least 300 items. I will test if raising population to 20 will cause moods. I think that 20 dwarf limit should be mentioned even if it's not confirmed. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 18:30, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

== Random Workshop Seizure ==

I just had a gem cutter seize a carpenter's workshop and make a perfect gem; upon completion I had a worthless Legendary dwarf and a new jeweler's workshop, so I guess that's still in from the previous version. I've removed the verify in the article. [[User:Tacroy|Tacroy]] 16:51, 9 January 2008 (EST)

:nonsense. Should be a bigger chance of making ZOMG high-quality gem crafts now ;) --[[User:Frostedfire|Frostedfire]] 07:35, 18 February 2008 (EST)

::More to the point, if you don't like the profession your dwarf has Legendary in...draft for the stats! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:16, 18 February 2008 (EST)

== forbidden items ==

Do moody dwarfs use forbidden items? Will they demand forbid items? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 02:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

:I don't know whether moody dwarves will use forbidden items (my guess would be they won't). But they don't choose the demands based on what is on the map, they can and do demand things you don't have. So it's safe to assume forbidding doesn't prevent dwarves from demanding the forbidden kind of item. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 16:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

::Forbidden items are not used. Similarly, if your mooder slipped in e.g. an iron bar when you wanted him to use a platinum bar, you can forbid AND dump the item to stop him from using it. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 16:35, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

== Impossible Requests? ==
Will dwarves try to use items that you just don't have access to? I had a dwarf asking for silk when I haven't imported any and I'm pretty sure there isn't a giant spider anywhere. Also asking for "rocks" when I have mined at least one of each type of rock that is visible (requiring rocks from unmined areas seem pretty harsh). Also a request for "metal bars" when I have smeltered at least one of each ore I have found and made at least one of each possible alloy. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 23:27, 26 February 2008 (EST)
:Yeah, impossible stuff is all my dwarves ever want. :-P Right now mine appears to want stone I don't have, and no traders have come by with any stone.... So my guys are frantically mining in various directions.... [[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 13:59, 7 March 2008 (EST)

::As far as i can tell they never request anything it is truly impossible for you to get. Available by trade seems to imply possible for the game engine though. Too bad if its the start of winter (which is when all my moods which require things I don't have and can't produce happen, of course). But if there's no sand on your map at all you will not be asked for glass, since you can't trade for sand. (If there's 5 tiles of sand under that underground lake you haven't found yet... sucks to be you - my first fortress lost 3 dwarves to this). So yes, requiring things present on the map that you haven't found yet appears to be possible and routine. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:48, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

== Procastinator! ==

I just had a moody dwarf demand bones, wood, rocks, and cloth.

He got the rocks okay, and then did nothing for ages. Then, as soon as the fire imp corpse rotted away, he ran down and got the bones, then ran over to my wood stockpile and got a piece of wood...

Do they need to get their ingredients in order now?--[[User:Shadow archmagi|Shadow archmagi]] 06:28, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:i think so, not that it matters, he wont start unless he has ALL the ingridents.

== gems ==
My moody dwarf asked for 2 kinds of rough gems, but i had cut all rough ones at that point. So i "printed out" all layers and started checking for leftover gems in the walls. Guess what, he picked the first 2 kinds i mined. So either

* random/pure luck (don't think so)
* they only ask what they "see"
* they only ask what is somehow on the map
* or they might even adapt somewhat to availability, but i doubt that. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 15:59, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

:I believe, but don't know for sure, that sometimes they want specific items and sometimes they just want anything in a category of items, such as any rough gems in this case. It used to work that way in the 2d version, didn't it? --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 12:23, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
::Confirming behaviour that BahamutZERO sees. Dwarves will '''always''' grab the closest object that falls under the category unless he is requesting a specific metal, specific silk, or specific plant fiber cloth. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:25, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Just standing around? ==

I have a dwarf who was possessed, but won't leave the main hall. He's also a novice in everything, but to be safe I've already cleared the shops. It's winter of my first year, but somehow I've already had 2 waves of immigrants. Back to the point, I'm afraid he's going to wait out the mood and go berserk. Help?
--[[User:Ilmmad|Ilmmad]] 20:00, 6 March 2008 (EST)
:Well, make sure u ve got one workshop of every possible kind available - there are however quite a few u dont need to build, its covered in the article. Check for locked doors or otherwise blocked access (bridges, channels, statues..) Dont forget furnaces, glass and magma. Check with 'q' if all workshops are completely build. If it doesnt help consider building workshops not related to his skills, or more "exotic" ones, like Ashery or Alchemist. No one can guarantee that Toady didnt have some new fun ideas ;) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:59, 6 March 2008 (EST)

== stark raving suicide ==

My mechanic wanted silk cloth, which I didn't have, and eventually gone insane ("stark raving mad" to be precise).
Seconds after that I had message that he died in heat (I had artificial magma pool nearby).
He probably jumped into the pool like in melancholy. Main article states that only melancholic dwarves kill themselves in such way.
Could anyone confirm that mad ones do that too, and this wasn't just an accident/bug? [[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 16:59, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

:Perhaps it ''was'' an accident -- I seem to recall that "stark raving mad" ones wander around at random. Perhaps it wandered into the lava. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 18:30, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

::It was an accident, the stark raving mad ones wander around aimlessly, regardless of Z- levels. --[[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 12:53, 9 November 2008 (EST)

== Glassmaker with no glass ==

I had an immigrant glassworker get a mood, seize a glass workshop, and created an artifact made entirely of gemstones. No glass involved or asked for. (No sand on the map, anyway.) He turned into a Legendary Glassworker, despite having never made a glass anything.

== Rewrite ==

I think I got most of the old information and then some into the new article. Please make any necessary modifications. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 01:22, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

== Silk Cloth ==

I had a dwarf demand silk cloth, but he refused to use my giant cave spider silk cloth. I didn't have any regular cave spider silk cloth. To verify that the silk was the problem, I used Companion to change the silk demand to any stone, and he immediately collected the rest of the materials and constructed the artifact.
Can anyone else confirm that giant cave spider silk cloth does '''not''' count as silk cloth? --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:55, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:No, I'm pretty sure I can't. I've seen a dwarf grab GCS silk. Could it be that you had thread and not cloth? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 13:59, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::Nope, giant cave spider cloth [3] sorted under cloth on the stock screen. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 16:52, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Probably they may specifically require GCS silk or specifically require CS silk. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 14:10, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
I figured it out - the silk was outside and I had accidentally left "Dwarves Stay Inside" on after the latest attack. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:52, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Engineer taken by secretive mood, and creates... ==

Evidently engineers who are taken by a secretive mood ("withdraws from society", in case it's later determined that the descriptor has an effect) will have no problems taking over the mechanic's workshop. And there's only one thing mechanic-shops build - that's right, you heard right, ladies and gentlemen, I present ''Kodor ós: A claystone mechanism''. It's even available for use from the appropriate {{k|b}})uild screens. He decided to make this splendid 86,400o creation while on an eight-mechanism binge in that very same mechanic's workshop. Maybe dwarves choose the workshop they've been in the most often? --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

:Ah, actually I can confirm I've had a Mechanic create an artifact mechanism as well. Stick some obsidian swords in that baby and you'll be good to go! That should probably go in the main article for skills vs workshops... I would expect siege engineers also have strange moods, but I imagine pump op and siege op fall under the general craftsman catch-all --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 15:45, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::I'd like to smack BismuthBismuthBismuth with the facts stated in the article.
A dwarf will claim a workshop according to their highest applicable skill
::In this case it was Engineering and therefore your mechanic went to a Mechanic's Workshop. It's the same with the possessed glassmakers. They hit a glassmaker's shop. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:49, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:::I'd like to hit GreyMario-Maria, preferably in the upper-body region, with the fact that at the time of my post, the table in the article did not mention mechanics whatsoever. --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 22:26, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::::Pardon me, but I was not aware that ''mechanics'' worked at a ''mechanic's workshop'', where objects are created that have ''quality mofidiers'' and can thus become ''artifacts''. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:28, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:::::Pardon me as well, but it seems that the table in [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Strange_mood&oldid=25231 this particular revision] did not encapsulate this information. '''GreyMario is throwing a tantrum!''' --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:22, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
::::::Mechanics. Work at a mechanic's workshop. Produce items which have visible quality modifiers. Items with visible quality modifiers are eligible to be artifacts. THEREFORE, mechanics claim mechanic's workshops when they go fey. Seriously, logic sometimes, please? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:30, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
:::::::That would follow if we knew for certain that the proposition "items with visible quality modifiers are eligible to artifacts" is necessarily true. We don't. For instance, siege engine components are not verified as artifact eligible. Since that isn't a given, it's perfectly reasonable for people to not jump to the conclusion that a job type will create artifacts relevant to it until they see it happen. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 16:26, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

i love the absurd randomness factor with artifacts - you end up with really weird stuff. like grates, and socks. a question pertinent to legendary mechanisms - i got a stupidly valuable one of these as the first legendary item in a new fort and i used it to create a gear assembly in a public dining area in the hopes that it would give dwarves happy thoughts, but after a few years gametime of checking randomly on them nothing particular showed up. any particular use along these lines for legendary mechanisms for something other then simple fortress value? --[[User:FruityBix|FruityBix]] 11:51, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
: weapon traps! --[[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 12:03, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
:: FWIW, that might be a more general answer for artifact items... I had a Weaponsmith dwarf go into a strange mood and create a lead warhammer (Yes, there was plenty of steel and iron around, but this dwarf likes lead, I guess). It can't be equipped as a weapon (lead isn't a valid material type normally for constructing weapons) but I can put it into a weapons trap. Which... is basically the only thing I can do with this 65000* artifact... -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 14:37, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
::: Actually, artifact equipment can be used, it just requires a "hero" level dwarf or higher. However, for the nonstandard material weapons and armor you may do well to forbid them so that they're not used. The actual effectiveness of odd material artifacts is supposedly lower than that of decent iron or steel equipment, and artifact equipment cannot be unequipped once a dwarf decides to use it. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 15:36, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

== Tanner fixed ==

I just had a Tanner claim a leather works, not a tannery. I updated the table. For the record, the dwarf has no skill level in leather working.

:I wonder if Tanners even claim Tanner's shops? Tanner's shops just make leather, and leather doesn't have quality modifiers, so you shouldn't be able to produce an artifact from one, aye? That information came from an older version of the page, I wonder if it was inaccurate. Weavers supposed claim Clothier's shops and not Looms, so it would make sense if Tanners were the same way. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 18:08, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== Cooks ==

I can confirm that cooks do not produce artifacts: my Peasant with Dabbling Cook/Brewer/(various social) and nothing else just took over a Craftsdwarf's Workshop. I'm removing the verify tag for cooks in the article. --[[User:Comonad|Comonad]] 16:16, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

mmmm. . . . artifact roast. [[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 19:12, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

== Soapers etc. ==

It stands to reason that soapers, lye makers, and wood burners wouldn't make artifacts. Neither soap, lye, charcoal, nor ash have quality modifiers, and that's all those skills can produce. I'm pretty sure you can't have artifact soap, lye, charcoal, or ash. --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 20:26, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

: My woodburner just got possessed. He wants a shell and wood. I have the shell but I'm not sure what type of wood he wants. --[[User:Ehertlein|Ehertlein]] 20:18, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

== Not all demands need to be met ==

I just had a dwarf taken by a secretive mood and collect a huge variety of things: 4 stone, 1 block, 1 gem, 2 rough gems, bones, a shell, 2 leather. He was further sketching for more bones, 2 leather, another stone, a log, another shell, and raw green glass. The only things I didn't have on hand were the shell and the green glass -- dwarves seem to go through their list in order, and get stuck on certain items.

I just hoped someone would eat a turtle (50/1678 chance!) and queued a raw green glass. When the glass was made, he got started, totally ignoring his previous requests for wood, another shell, and the other things. Anyone else have this experience? [[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 13:28, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

:I think they keep sketching images even after they get the items. Your dwarf already had all of the shells, leather, bones, stones, blocks, and gems he needed. [[User:Curudan|Curudan]] 15:26, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

::This is correct. I've had dwarves run out, grab two items, and then sit at the Workshop shouting a need for three items. When the item he was waiting on became available, he ran out, grabbed it, went back in, and started working. So it's pretty evident that they list ALL of the items they want, regardless of how many of them they've already collected. --[[User:Nekojin|Nekojin]] 22:28, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

== Possession ==

I've had 14 moods in my current Fortress, 11 of them have been possessions. Am I really unlucky, or is the type of mood weighted? [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 09:55, 26 August 2008 (EDT)
: As far as I can tell by looking at the game logic, each mood types are as likely to be rolled (except fell of course, which is selected if happiness<rand(128) or something like that). --[[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 07:56, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
:: I had a feeling I was just getting really unlucky, thanks. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 14:34, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

== Furnace Operator ==

Apparently furnace operator is no longer a mood skill as of df 28 181 40d. I just had a expert furnace operator take over a Craftdwarf's Workshop and become a legendary stonecrafter. [[User:Otherdwarf|Otherdwarf]] 10:26, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:I had one take over a mason's workshop, I would guess that Furnace Operator is treating like Engraver or Miner. I'm kind of disappointed, I was hoping he'd churn out an artifact coke or something.[[User:Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)|Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)]] 13:03, 14 November 2008 (EST)

::Back when furnace operator was moodable, they'd turn out metal crafts. But taking over a mason's workshop is surprising. Occasionally they'll take over a random workshop and convert it into the type they want -- what artifact did the dwarf produce? And, just to rule out some obvious things, did the dwarf have dabbling skill in mining, masonry, or engraving?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 13:51, 14 November 2008 (EST)
:::He went crazy looking for some kind of rough gem, so we'll never know. It was ''right'' after the dwarf trading caravan left, too, so I really had no chance whatsoever. I don't know for sure what skills he had, I don't think he had much other than Furnace Operator, Architect, and the social skills though. I ''might'' have enabled mining, but there was plenty of work for him at the smelter so I don't know for sure.--[[User:Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)|Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)]] 15:56, 14 November 2008 (EST)

== Chunk Butchery? ==

Well, even though the selection of items for artifacts is totally random, its a bit wierd if a macabre dwarf goes to a butcher's workshop and starts bringing in tons of dwarf CHUNKS! My dwarf just started doing that, should I expect rotting meat (yes, the chunks are already rotten)? - 09:57, 30 October 2008 Stinhad Limarezum
: ^_^ "This is a delicious meat pie. All craftsdwarfship is of the highest quality. On the item is an image of a dwarf and dwarves in rotting dwarf chunks. The dwarf is baking the other dwarves into meat pies. The artwork relates to the rise of the dwarf butcher Sweeney Todd as the cook of The Fleet Street in 78" -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 11:11, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

:Oh, ''do'' post the description of the artifact when the dwarf completes it. ("Menaces with spikes of dwarf chunk?" I'd be intimidated for sure.)--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 13:18, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

== What Workshop? ==

Is there any way to discover what workshop a dwarf in a secretive mood requires? I had nearly everything. I built a siege workshop and a bowery before I ran out of ideas and he went beserk. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 10:55, 3 November 2008 (EST)

:You have to look at what skills he has first and rule out the obvious. If he has no mood-able skills then it's going to be a craftsdwarf's workshop. If you have hit magma and he wants a forge or glass furnace, he will insist on the magma version of that workshop. Finally, maybe one of your existing workshops was inaccessible or you accidentally [[forbid]] it at some point. If none of that works, I'm out of ideas too.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 13:01, 3 November 2008 (EST)
::I have a functioning magma glass furnace and I had to build a normal glass furnace when my glass maker became secretive. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 14:23, 11 November 2008 (EST)
::Same here, in fact I had 2 moody glass making dwarves refuse to use anything but a normal glass furnace when there were 5 fully functional magma glass furnaces in the same fort. (sorry, almost forgot to sign) --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 14:27, 11 November 2008 (EST)

:::Ah. In older versions, they'd insist on a magma workshop, when possible. Do they now insist on using a regular workshop, or has anyone seen a moody dwarf use a magma workshop in recent versions?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 14:34, 11 November 2008 (EST)
::::I believe my metalsmith is waiting for my magma forge to come on line, I have a standard forge built, but that isn't doing anything for him. Does anyone know what effect fluctuating power will have on the strange mood? Edit: If a claimed workshop looses power for even a millisecond, the mood fails. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 12:02, 18 November 2008 (EST)

== Possessed Child ==

I have a child that has become possessed and taken over one of my craft workshops (of course). He is muttering the following: rough color, leather skin, bone yes, stone rock, cloth thread, blocks bricks, and a shell. He has already acquired the following: turtle bones, donkey bones [4], microcline blocks, turtle shell, rough pink garnets, dog leather, carp leather, and hematite. I have plenty of all the things that he's already gathered, so I'm assuming that he doesn't need anymore of those items. That leaves the thread. I have turned off my auto-loom a while ago so that I would keep the thread around for artifacts. I currently have plenty of plant thread (4 pig tail and 14 rope reed) and enough spider silk (5). What I don't have is giant spider silk. I have confirmed that the child has access to all these items, including the thread which I have piles next to his workshop. Still he doesn't start construction.

Can any help? Is there a difference for artifact creation between regular cave spider silk and giant cave spider silk? ---[[User:Frewfrux|Frewfrux]]

:Do you have both silk and plant cloth available? (Not just thread.) And do you see any specific cloth preferences in his thoughts and preferences screen?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:32, 6 November 2008 (EST)

::Argh. I bet that's it. No silk cloth, just thread. I have had guys go crazy for lack of thread before, so I never make silk cloth, just kept the thread. Oh well, the child is now melancholy. I can re-load and see what would happen if I make the thread into cloth. Maybe I'll test that out. ---[[User:Frewfrux|Frewfrux]]

::: Wouldn't you be able to solve this problem by only weaving dyed thread? Then you'll always have some thread waiting to be dyed. --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 03:04, 6 November 2008 (EST)

::::You could also leave high quality, expensive materials lying around Forbidden, and only Claim them when someone's trying to make an artifact. --[[User:Navian|Navian]] 15:07, 11 November 2008 (EST)

== Getting More Strange Moods ==

According to the article, the number of artifacts is limited by "The number of items created divided by 200." This indicates that making bolts (5 for each bone or 25 for each log) or brewing (5 units of drink for each unit of plant brewed) are efficient ways to encourage strange moods. Does that sound accurate?

It also states that the number of revealed subterranean tiles is a limit. Does that mean an area like a chasm, where many tiles are revealed to start with, will produce more strange moods?

Also, does anyone know whether the division rounds up or down? [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 22:24, 16 November 2008 (EST)

:I'd be willing to bet all stacks count as only one "item" for this kind of calculation. 200 sounds like a paltry number, however. If rocks are counted as items, most fortresses have thousands of them in just a few years. The other number is what is most significant (I wonder where the heck it comes from?) I've had four miners digging non-stop for about 10 years now, and my stocks menu says I have 70,000 stones. Allowing for underground soil tiles (which don't produce stone) and stone/ore consumed by industry, each miner can probably clear about 2,000 tiles a year: one artifact. I have 21 artifacts in my fortress now (and two failed moods early on), so if that rate is indicative, I'd say you want to employ three or more miners non-stop to maximize your chances.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 00:09, 17 November 2008 (EST)

::The guy who wrote [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Stone_management#Block_Stockpile this] doesn't seem to think that stones count as created items. Also, "revealed tiles" is ambiguous. For example, [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Exploratory_mining#Mine_shafts this] method is very good at showing you what's inside of a tile without actually mining it out. Do you suppose that seeing whats inside is enough?

::Where do you think these numbers came from anyway? I'm gonna take a look through the edit history and try to track them down. [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 00:15, 17 November 2008 (EST)

:::They came during [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Strange_mood&diff=25038&oldid=24936 this edit]. They're so specific I've got to think the author did some poking around with a disassembler. Again, though, 200 is such a paltry number. If underground "open space" counts, then discovering a chasm, bottomless pit, or magma pipe should many thousands thousands of revealed tiles. If underground floor tiles are needed, you'll have to mine most of them out yourself.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 00:34, 17 November 2008 (EST)

::::I had a chat with [[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] over at his talk page, since he edited the page around the time the changes were made. He seemed fairly certain that all you had to do to "reveal" a tile was to have a passable square next to it, so I edited the article to reflect that. He did not, however, know anything about how bolts or stones would affect things. Right now my hopes are on [[User:Marble_Dice|Marble Dice]], whom I believe made the actual addition. I'm not sure if he's a very active user though.

::::By the way, the reason I'm doing all this is that I'm considering optimizing a fortress for strange moods: have '''lots''' of dwarves with only "dabbling" in a single strange mood skill to gain maximum benefit from the moods. Any ideas for fortress strategies that will go well with this? [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 02:44, 17 November 2008 (EST)

:::::I saw the conversation -- I keep my eye on [[Special:Recentchanges]]. What he says about "reveal" is correct, as far as I know. I still wonder about "open space" tiles. If they count as revealed, all you really need to do is find a chasm/pit/magma pipe and you'll be in moods for years to come.

:::::I've done the dabbling strategy in the past. It's best to emphasize just a few skills you really really want that are otherwise hard to train due to limited materials -- armorsmith, weaponsmith, bone carver, leatherworker, carpenter, etc. It works fine with any fortress strategy.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 04:30, 17 November 2008 (EST)

40d Talk:Strange mood

2008-11-18T17:02:50Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* What Workshop? */

Does the new version still have the strange mood? It wouldnt be complete without it!

:It still exists, I've had it happen several times now, I went to the archive wiki and copy/pasted the old page.

::Isnt that why the wiki was nuked? To make sure that no old info lingers? Ill put some "verify" in there, I dont think that the bold text is enough for users to understand that some of this may no longer apply. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 06:03, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::I agree. Although moods themselves don't seem to have been changed in this version, the changes to the stones/ores that they use means that some of the information in this article is no longer true. I'll have a go at cleaning it up when I have the proper time for it, but this wiki definitely needs a 'no copypasting from the archives' rule to avoid screwups like this. If people are going to copypaste old stuff, then it is downright irresponsible of them not to verify the accuracy of the information before committing it to the wiki. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]]

I know, I was a huge fan of that little strange aspect of the old one.

I need my dwarfs to make more swordfish bone swords, and i still need some glass weapons/armor

The moods seem to have changed. One of my dwarfs went fey, made a nice hematite mug, and is now a legendary... Engraver. Very wierd, he also had no stoneworking or other craftdwarf skills. But he was a competent mason. This was also my fifth dwarf who took the same craftworkshop, so it's a bit strange. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 17:36, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Six fey dwarf, all took the craftdwarfshop, now my bowyer took one. Think it might be a bug. Is the 15 artifacts limit still in? --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:34, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:: Whohoo my second legendary engraver made a gold mug. My bowyer became a legendary engraver. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:40, 8 November 2007 (EST)
::: Scratch all that, one of my woodworkers just used a carpenters shop. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 07:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:Have you marked all statements in the article that risks being falsified with <nowiki>{{verify}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 19:41, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Hey, I am getting a dwarf who wants "raw...crystal". Help? -- [[User:Bovinepro|Bovinepro]]
:Probably wants raw crystal glass. I had a dwarf ask for "raw...green", they wanted raw green glass. Looks like Toady might have moved the glass demands out of the "rough...color" category. [[User:Iddq?|Iddq?]]

About the engravers taking over craftdwarf's shops and becoming legendary engravers afterwards is quite true. I recently got a bunch of immigrants, and the engraver that came with them fell into a strange mood before even crossing the bridge on my river. He took over a craftdwarf's workshop and made a basalt scepter, and now he's legendary level in engraving. So yeah, perfect laboratory conditions, he was 100% engraver when he went into his mood and came out a legendary engraver. --[[User:Zhang5|Zhang5]] 17:07, 12 November 2007 (EST)

It seems that no craft skill is required. I just had a peasant go into a strange mood. His skills were: competent marksdwarf; novice wrestler; novice armor wearer. He grabbed a craftsdwarf's workshop and 10 items (3xFelsite, Schorls, Tigereyes, Red Beryls, Giant cave swallow leather, Grizzly Bear Leather, Rough harlequin opals and Ash logs -- guess he has expensive taste?) and churned out an idol in relatively short order. This is my 9th successful mood in this fortress, and I've seen requests for between 3 and 10 items, personally. Since they seem to be increasing in complexity, I've either hit the item cap, or I'm about to break ten :) [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 16:34, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:This is consistent with older versions. Moody peasants would become crafters, and 10 items was the cap. The minimum was 1 item -- generally when constructing a "perfect gem".--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:55, 19 November 2007 (EST)

I had a miner go into a strange mood, take over a mason's workshop, and make a something that got him up to legendary miner status. In my current fort, I have had 6 artifacts made, 2 of which were actual moods and 5 of which were possessions (I can add, one of them failed and the dwarf became a babbling wreck). My dwarves love to use only one item: an oak door (1 item), an olivine coffin (2 items), a turtle shell mask (1 item and is my cheapest artifiact at 3600), a diorite amulet (3 items), and a perfect jelly opal (1 item). --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 18:47, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Where to add the info that in my game (.33c) a miner took over a mason's workshop, became legendary miner and then held the artifact in his right hand instead of a pick, which became 'hauled', then droped the pick and then took the pick with his left hand? He can mine after all these. While holding a 667 weight units cabinet in his right hand. --[[User:Another|Another]] 10:07, 1 December 2007 (EST)

I had dwarf Miller, profecienty Grower who had Fey Mood, and he became a Legendary Mason ....
Is it normal ? [[user:Feydreva|Feydreva]]

One of my dwarves has become possessed and is demanding cloth, bones and stone, which I have plenty of. But he refuses to go fetch them. Is there something I'm doing wrong?—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Patarak|Patarak]] ([[User talk:Patarak|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Patarak|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}
: They want either silk or fiber cloth. Make sure you have both! [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 03:40, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Aargh! One of my dwarves went secretive and is demanding a huge list of stuff. He seems to be demanding two types of stone because the "sketches quarry" message stays on twice as long as the others. I have (and he has gathered) flint: is there any way to tell what kind of stone he wants? --[[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 011:55, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I had a Glassmaker that sat around when I had a lot of Magma Glass Furnaces, but then decided to get going when I made a regular Glass Furnace. Seems like they will only use a specific kind. Not sure yet if it's random. Might be they won't take the Magma Glass Furnace in version 38a. Can anyone verify? --[[User:Afbee|Afbee]] 05:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

: My Glassmaker successfully used Magma Glass Furnace in a fey mood. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 07:54, 24 February 2008 (EST)
:: I just had the same problem. I had a glass maker who wouldn't take over a magma glass furnace. Since I'm creating a glass fortress and had a mess of glass orders piled up, I thought that might have confused the AI and I built 2 more magma glass furnaces. No dice, he didn't want them. After reading this page I decided to create a normal glass furnace. He snapped it up as soon as it was built. --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 04:07, 9 November 2008 (EST)

==Maximum number of artifacts==
Well, I just got my umpteenth mood, and it resulted in the 16th successfully created artifact.(33b) So that 15 cap thing is clearly wrong. As it happens, this single artifact is worth 754,800, and is an adamantine spear decorated with, among other things, adamantine. For the record, in case this data is important to someone tabulating number of ingredients, my moods in order created the following objects using the corresponding number of ingredients: (Flute, 4; Mechanism, 4; Spear, 3; Millstone, 6; Ring, 8; Chest, 7; Cape, 7; Ring, 9; Statue, 8; Idol, 10; earring, 8; Buckler, 8; Table, 3; Mechanism, 10; Bracelet, 5; and Spear, 8). [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:54, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Do fell/macabre moods still exist? I haven't seen any for quite a few versions. It'd be nice to have that verified.—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rabek|Rabek]] ([[User talk:Rabek|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rabek|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}

== clarification on "trade" skills ==

Are trade skills all the skills that produce items with some level of quality? Mainly I want to know if dyer is a trade skill. And how does that work with miner? I didn't think miner was a trade skill. Maybe someone who knows more than me could clarify in the wiki.
I just got my first artifact. It's worth 2400. The dwarf took one log and made a scepter. -[[User:Radtse|Radtse]]

:I don't know exactly, we should make a list of the skills we know are not trade skills. I'll start: my brewer/grower once got a strange mood and made a wood item and gained woodcrafting skill. Let's try to only add to the list when we have experienced a moody dwarf with that skill only.--[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 19:36, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::I'm adding Weaver and Furnace Operator to this list, since they're on the wiki. I haven't seen them myself, but I'm assuming someone else has. Knowing that Furnace Operator is a "fey-able" skill will be quite helpful.-[[User:Radtse|Radtse]] 18:28, 29 December 2007 (EST)

:::Where's cooking fit in? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 20:09, 6 January 2008 (EST)

List of non-trade skills:

* [[Brewer]]
* [[Grower]]
* [[Miller]]
* [[Wood Cutter]]

Skills that may be used and gained by dwarves with no trade skills:

* [[Wood crafter]]
* [[Stone crafter]]

Skills that use a different skill(See list above), but give correct skill:

* [[Miner]]
* [[Engraver]]
* [[Furnace Operator]]
* [[Weaver]]

:::For the record, i can confirm both Furnace Operator and Weaver, since no one else has commented to verify them thus far. (The weaver actually surprised me when it happened). --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:43, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:::I can confirm that a Miner will claim a Mason's shop, and produce a stone item, even with no Mason skill at all. It works just like the wiki says. --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 23:47, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

:::And I can confirm that Wood Cutter does not contribute -- I had a Novice Glassmaker/No Prefix Wood Cutter take a glass furnace. [[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]] 13:48, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

== mood condition ==
The 20 dwarves / no crazy stuff has been found while looking at the binary of v0.27.169.33d, might be different now, but i don't think so. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 15:08, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Regarding the calulations for required maximum existing artifacts (items/200 and dugout/(48*48)) wouldn't it make more sense to either use the squared symbol, or the actual result of that square (which was the original number actually discovered/revealed I believe)? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:17, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:<sup>2</sup> --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 21:28, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

:20 dorf must be still there. I've made low-population fort and I had no mood for ~8 years (from start). I'm sure that I've digged at least 2700 tiles and created at least 300 items. I will test if raising population to 20 will cause moods. I think that 20 dwarf limit should be mentioned even if it's not confirmed. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 18:30, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

== Random Workshop Seizure ==

I just had a gem cutter seize a carpenter's workshop and make a perfect gem; upon completion I had a worthless Legendary dwarf and a new jeweler's workshop, so I guess that's still in from the previous version. I've removed the verify in the article. [[User:Tacroy|Tacroy]] 16:51, 9 January 2008 (EST)

:nonsense. Should be a bigger chance of making ZOMG high-quality gem crafts now ;) --[[User:Frostedfire|Frostedfire]] 07:35, 18 February 2008 (EST)

::More to the point, if you don't like the profession your dwarf has Legendary in...draft for the stats! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:16, 18 February 2008 (EST)

== forbidden items ==

Do moody dwarfs use forbidden items? Will they demand forbid items? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 02:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

:I don't know whether moody dwarves will use forbidden items (my guess would be they won't). But they don't choose the demands based on what is on the map, they can and do demand things you don't have. So it's safe to assume forbidding doesn't prevent dwarves from demanding the forbidden kind of item. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 16:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

::Forbidden items are not used. Similarly, if your mooder slipped in e.g. an iron bar when you wanted him to use a platinum bar, you can forbid AND dump the item to stop him from using it. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 16:35, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

== Impossible Requests? ==
Will dwarves try to use items that you just don't have access to? I had a dwarf asking for silk when I haven't imported any and I'm pretty sure there isn't a giant spider anywhere. Also asking for "rocks" when I have mined at least one of each type of rock that is visible (requiring rocks from unmined areas seem pretty harsh). Also a request for "metal bars" when I have smeltered at least one of each ore I have found and made at least one of each possible alloy. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 23:27, 26 February 2008 (EST)
:Yeah, impossible stuff is all my dwarves ever want. :-P Right now mine appears to want stone I don't have, and no traders have come by with any stone.... So my guys are frantically mining in various directions.... [[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 13:59, 7 March 2008 (EST)

::As far as i can tell they never request anything it is truly impossible for you to get. Available by trade seems to imply possible for the game engine though. Too bad if its the start of winter (which is when all my moods which require things I don't have and can't produce happen, of course). But if there's no sand on your map at all you will not be asked for glass, since you can't trade for sand. (If there's 5 tiles of sand under that underground lake you haven't found yet... sucks to be you - my first fortress lost 3 dwarves to this). So yes, requiring things present on the map that you haven't found yet appears to be possible and routine. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:48, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

== Procastinator! ==

I just had a moody dwarf demand bones, wood, rocks, and cloth.

He got the rocks okay, and then did nothing for ages. Then, as soon as the fire imp corpse rotted away, he ran down and got the bones, then ran over to my wood stockpile and got a piece of wood...

Do they need to get their ingredients in order now?--[[User:Shadow archmagi|Shadow archmagi]] 06:28, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:i think so, not that it matters, he wont start unless he has ALL the ingridents.

== gems ==
My moody dwarf asked for 2 kinds of rough gems, but i had cut all rough ones at that point. So i "printed out" all layers and started checking for leftover gems in the walls. Guess what, he picked the first 2 kinds i mined. So either

* random/pure luck (don't think so)
* they only ask what they "see"
* they only ask what is somehow on the map
* or they might even adapt somewhat to availability, but i doubt that. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 15:59, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

:I believe, but don't know for sure, that sometimes they want specific items and sometimes they just want anything in a category of items, such as any rough gems in this case. It used to work that way in the 2d version, didn't it? --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 12:23, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
::Confirming behaviour that BahamutZERO sees. Dwarves will '''always''' grab the closest object that falls under the category unless he is requesting a specific metal, specific silk, or specific plant fiber cloth. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:25, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Just standing around? ==

I have a dwarf who was possessed, but won't leave the main hall. He's also a novice in everything, but to be safe I've already cleared the shops. It's winter of my first year, but somehow I've already had 2 waves of immigrants. Back to the point, I'm afraid he's going to wait out the mood and go berserk. Help?
--[[User:Ilmmad|Ilmmad]] 20:00, 6 March 2008 (EST)
:Well, make sure u ve got one workshop of every possible kind available - there are however quite a few u dont need to build, its covered in the article. Check for locked doors or otherwise blocked access (bridges, channels, statues..) Dont forget furnaces, glass and magma. Check with 'q' if all workshops are completely build. If it doesnt help consider building workshops not related to his skills, or more "exotic" ones, like Ashery or Alchemist. No one can guarantee that Toady didnt have some new fun ideas ;) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:59, 6 March 2008 (EST)

== stark raving suicide ==

My mechanic wanted silk cloth, which I didn't have, and eventually gone insane ("stark raving mad" to be precise).
Seconds after that I had message that he died in heat (I had artificial magma pool nearby).
He probably jumped into the pool like in melancholy. Main article states that only melancholic dwarves kill themselves in such way.
Could anyone confirm that mad ones do that too, and this wasn't just an accident/bug? [[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 16:59, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

:Perhaps it ''was'' an accident -- I seem to recall that "stark raving mad" ones wander around at random. Perhaps it wandered into the lava. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 18:30, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

::It was an accident, the stark raving mad ones wander around aimlessly, regardless of Z- levels. --[[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 12:53, 9 November 2008 (EST)

== Glassmaker with no glass ==

I had an immigrant glassworker get a mood, seize a glass workshop, and created an artifact made entirely of gemstones. No glass involved or asked for. (No sand on the map, anyway.) He turned into a Legendary Glassworker, despite having never made a glass anything.

== Rewrite ==

I think I got most of the old information and then some into the new article. Please make any necessary modifications. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 01:22, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

== Silk Cloth ==

I had a dwarf demand silk cloth, but he refused to use my giant cave spider silk cloth. I didn't have any regular cave spider silk cloth. To verify that the silk was the problem, I used Companion to change the silk demand to any stone, and he immediately collected the rest of the materials and constructed the artifact.
Can anyone else confirm that giant cave spider silk cloth does '''not''' count as silk cloth? --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:55, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:No, I'm pretty sure I can't. I've seen a dwarf grab GCS silk. Could it be that you had thread and not cloth? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 13:59, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::Nope, giant cave spider cloth [3] sorted under cloth on the stock screen. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 16:52, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Probably they may specifically require GCS silk or specifically require CS silk. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 14:10, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
I figured it out - the silk was outside and I had accidentally left "Dwarves Stay Inside" on after the latest attack. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:52, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Engineer taken by secretive mood, and creates... ==

Evidently engineers who are taken by a secretive mood ("withdraws from society", in case it's later determined that the descriptor has an effect) will have no problems taking over the mechanic's workshop. And there's only one thing mechanic-shops build - that's right, you heard right, ladies and gentlemen, I present ''Kodor ós: A claystone mechanism''. It's even available for use from the appropriate {{k|b}})uild screens. He decided to make this splendid 86,400o creation while on an eight-mechanism binge in that very same mechanic's workshop. Maybe dwarves choose the workshop they've been in the most often? --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

:Ah, actually I can confirm I've had a Mechanic create an artifact mechanism as well. Stick some obsidian swords in that baby and you'll be good to go! That should probably go in the main article for skills vs workshops... I would expect siege engineers also have strange moods, but I imagine pump op and siege op fall under the general craftsman catch-all --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 15:45, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::I'd like to smack BismuthBismuthBismuth with the facts stated in the article.
A dwarf will claim a workshop according to their highest applicable skill
::In this case it was Engineering and therefore your mechanic went to a Mechanic's Workshop. It's the same with the possessed glassmakers. They hit a glassmaker's shop. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:49, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:::I'd like to hit GreyMario-Maria, preferably in the upper-body region, with the fact that at the time of my post, the table in the article did not mention mechanics whatsoever. --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 22:26, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::::Pardon me, but I was not aware that ''mechanics'' worked at a ''mechanic's workshop'', where objects are created that have ''quality mofidiers'' and can thus become ''artifacts''. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:28, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:::::Pardon me as well, but it seems that the table in [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Strange_mood&oldid=25231 this particular revision] did not encapsulate this information. '''GreyMario is throwing a tantrum!''' --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:22, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
::::::Mechanics. Work at a mechanic's workshop. Produce items which have visible quality modifiers. Items with visible quality modifiers are eligible to be artifacts. THEREFORE, mechanics claim mechanic's workshops when they go fey. Seriously, logic sometimes, please? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:30, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
:::::::That would follow if we knew for certain that the proposition "items with visible quality modifiers are eligible to artifacts" is necessarily true. We don't. For instance, siege engine components are not verified as artifact eligible. Since that isn't a given, it's perfectly reasonable for people to not jump to the conclusion that a job type will create artifacts relevant to it until they see it happen. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 16:26, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

i love the absurd randomness factor with artifacts - you end up with really weird stuff. like grates, and socks. a question pertinent to legendary mechanisms - i got a stupidly valuable one of these as the first legendary item in a new fort and i used it to create a gear assembly in a public dining area in the hopes that it would give dwarves happy thoughts, but after a few years gametime of checking randomly on them nothing particular showed up. any particular use along these lines for legendary mechanisms for something other then simple fortress value? --[[User:FruityBix|FruityBix]] 11:51, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
: weapon traps! --[[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 12:03, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
:: FWIW, that might be a more general answer for artifact items... I had a Weaponsmith dwarf go into a strange mood and create a lead warhammer (Yes, there was plenty of steel and iron around, but this dwarf likes lead, I guess). It can't be equipped as a weapon (lead isn't a valid material type normally for constructing weapons) but I can put it into a weapons trap. Which... is basically the only thing I can do with this 65000* artifact... -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 14:37, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
::: Actually, artifact equipment can be used, it just requires a "hero" level dwarf or higher. However, for the nonstandard material weapons and armor you may do well to forbid them so that they're not used. The actual effectiveness of odd material artifacts is supposedly lower than that of decent iron or steel equipment, and artifact equipment cannot be unequipped once a dwarf decides to use it. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 15:36, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

== Tanner fixed ==

I just had a Tanner claim a leather works, not a tannery. I updated the table. For the record, the dwarf has no skill level in leather working.

:I wonder if Tanners even claim Tanner's shops? Tanner's shops just make leather, and leather doesn't have quality modifiers, so you shouldn't be able to produce an artifact from one, aye? That information came from an older version of the page, I wonder if it was inaccurate. Weavers supposed claim Clothier's shops and not Looms, so it would make sense if Tanners were the same way. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 18:08, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== Cooks ==

I can confirm that cooks do not produce artifacts: my Peasant with Dabbling Cook/Brewer/(various social) and nothing else just took over a Craftsdwarf's Workshop. I'm removing the verify tag for cooks in the article. --[[User:Comonad|Comonad]] 16:16, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

mmmm. . . . artifact roast. [[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 19:12, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

== Soapers etc. ==

It stands to reason that soapers, lye makers, and wood burners wouldn't make artifacts. Neither soap, lye, charcoal, nor ash have quality modifiers, and that's all those skills can produce. I'm pretty sure you can't have artifact soap, lye, charcoal, or ash. --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 20:26, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

: My woodburner just got possessed. He wants a shell and wood. I have the shell but I'm not sure what type of wood he wants. --[[User:Ehertlein|Ehertlein]] 20:18, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

== Not all demands need to be met ==

I just had a dwarf taken by a secretive mood and collect a huge variety of things: 4 stone, 1 block, 1 gem, 2 rough gems, bones, a shell, 2 leather. He was further sketching for more bones, 2 leather, another stone, a log, another shell, and raw green glass. The only things I didn't have on hand were the shell and the green glass -- dwarves seem to go through their list in order, and get stuck on certain items.

I just hoped someone would eat a turtle (50/1678 chance!) and queued a raw green glass. When the glass was made, he got started, totally ignoring his previous requests for wood, another shell, and the other things. Anyone else have this experience? [[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 13:28, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

:I think they keep sketching images even after they get the items. Your dwarf already had all of the shells, leather, bones, stones, blocks, and gems he needed. [[User:Curudan|Curudan]] 15:26, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

::This is correct. I've had dwarves run out, grab two items, and then sit at the Workshop shouting a need for three items. When the item he was waiting on became available, he ran out, grabbed it, went back in, and started working. So it's pretty evident that they list ALL of the items they want, regardless of how many of them they've already collected. --[[User:Nekojin|Nekojin]] 22:28, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

== Possession ==

I've had 14 moods in my current Fortress, 11 of them have been possessions. Am I really unlucky, or is the type of mood weighted? [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 09:55, 26 August 2008 (EDT)
: As far as I can tell by looking at the game logic, each mood types are as likely to be rolled (except fell of course, which is selected if happiness<rand(128) or something like that). --[[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 07:56, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
:: I had a feeling I was just getting really unlucky, thanks. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 14:34, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

== Furnace Operator ==

Apparently furnace operator is no longer a mood skill as of df 28 181 40d. I just had a expert furnace operator take over a Craftdwarf's Workshop and become a legendary stonecrafter. [[User:Otherdwarf|Otherdwarf]] 10:26, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:I had one take over a mason's workshop, I would guess that Furnace Operator is treating like Engraver or Miner. I'm kind of disappointed, I was hoping he'd churn out an artifact coke or something.[[User:Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)|Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)]] 13:03, 14 November 2008 (EST)

::Back when furnace operator was moodable, they'd turn out metal crafts. But taking over a mason's workshop is surprising. Occasionally they'll take over a random workshop and convert it into the type they want -- what artifact did the dwarf produce? And, just to rule out some obvious things, did the dwarf have dabbling skill in mining, masonry, or engraving?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 13:51, 14 November 2008 (EST)
:::He went crazy looking for some kind of rough gem, so we'll never know. It was ''right'' after the dwarf trading caravan left, too, so I really had no chance whatsoever. I don't know for sure what skills he had, I don't think he had much other than Furnace Operator, Architect, and the social skills though. I ''might'' have enabled mining, but there was plenty of work for him at the smelter so I don't know for sure.--[[User:Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)|Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)]] 15:56, 14 November 2008 (EST)

== Chunk Butchery? ==

Well, even though the selection of items for artifacts is totally random, its a bit wierd if a macabre dwarf goes to a butcher's workshop and starts bringing in tons of dwarf CHUNKS! My dwarf just started doing that, should I expect rotting meat (yes, the chunks are already rotten)? - 09:57, 30 October 2008 Stinhad Limarezum
: ^_^ "This is a delicious meat pie. All craftsdwarfship is of the highest quality. On the item is an image of a dwarf and dwarves in rotting dwarf chunks. The dwarf is baking the other dwarves into meat pies. The artwork relates to the rise of the dwarf butcher Sweeney Todd as the cook of The Fleet Street in 78" -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 11:11, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

:Oh, ''do'' post the description of the artifact when the dwarf completes it. ("Menaces with spikes of dwarf chunk?" I'd be intimidated for sure.)--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 13:18, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

== What Workshop? ==

Is there any way to discover what workshop a dwarf in a secretive mood requires? I had nearly everything. I built a siege workshop and a bowery before I ran out of ideas and he went beserk. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 10:55, 3 November 2008 (EST)

:You have to look at what skills he has first and rule out the obvious. If he has no mood-able skills then it's going to be a craftsdwarf's workshop. If you have hit magma and he wants a forge or glass furnace, he will insist on the magma version of that workshop. Finally, maybe one of your existing workshops was inaccessible or you accidentally [[forbid]] it at some point. If none of that works, I'm out of ideas too.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 13:01, 3 November 2008 (EST)
::I have a functioning magma glass furnace and I had to build a normal glass furnace when my glass maker became secretive. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 14:23, 11 November 2008 (EST)
::Same here, in fact I had 2 moody glass making dwarves refuse to use anything but a normal glass furnace when there were 5 fully functional magma glass furnaces in the same fort. (sorry, almost forgot to sign) --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 14:27, 11 November 2008 (EST)

:::Ah. In older versions, they'd insist on a magma workshop, when possible. Do they now insist on using a regular workshop, or has anyone seen a moody dwarf use a magma workshop in recent versions?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 14:34, 11 November 2008 (EST)
::::I believe my metalsmith is waiting for my magma forge to come on line, I have a standard forge built, but that isn't doing anything for him. Does anyone know what effect fluctuating power will have on the strange mood? [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 12:02, 18 November 2008 (EST)

== Possessed Child ==

I have a child that has become possessed and taken over one of my craft workshops (of course). He is muttering the following: rough color, leather skin, bone yes, stone rock, cloth thread, blocks bricks, and a shell. He has already acquired the following: turtle bones, donkey bones [4], microcline blocks, turtle shell, rough pink garnets, dog leather, carp leather, and hematite. I have plenty of all the things that he's already gathered, so I'm assuming that he doesn't need anymore of those items. That leaves the thread. I have turned off my auto-loom a while ago so that I would keep the thread around for artifacts. I currently have plenty of plant thread (4 pig tail and 14 rope reed) and enough spider silk (5). What I don't have is giant spider silk. I have confirmed that the child has access to all these items, including the thread which I have piles next to his workshop. Still he doesn't start construction.

Can any help? Is there a difference for artifact creation between regular cave spider silk and giant cave spider silk? ---[[User:Frewfrux|Frewfrux]]

:Do you have both silk and plant cloth available? (Not just thread.) And do you see any specific cloth preferences in his thoughts and preferences screen?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:32, 6 November 2008 (EST)

::Argh. I bet that's it. No silk cloth, just thread. I have had guys go crazy for lack of thread before, so I never make silk cloth, just kept the thread. Oh well, the child is now melancholy. I can re-load and see what would happen if I make the thread into cloth. Maybe I'll test that out. ---[[User:Frewfrux|Frewfrux]]

::: Wouldn't you be able to solve this problem by only weaving dyed thread? Then you'll always have some thread waiting to be dyed. --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 03:04, 6 November 2008 (EST)

::::You could also leave high quality, expensive materials lying around Forbidden, and only Claim them when someone's trying to make an artifact. --[[User:Navian|Navian]] 15:07, 11 November 2008 (EST)

== Getting More Strange Moods ==

According to the article, the number of artifacts is limited by "The number of items created divided by 200." This indicates that making bolts (5 for each bone or 25 for each log) or brewing (5 units of drink for each unit of plant brewed) are efficient ways to encourage strange moods. Does that sound accurate?

It also states that the number of revealed subterranean tiles is a limit. Does that mean an area like a chasm, where many tiles are revealed to start with, will produce more strange moods?

Also, does anyone know whether the division rounds up or down? [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 22:24, 16 November 2008 (EST)

:I'd be willing to bet all stacks count as only one "item" for this kind of calculation. 200 sounds like a paltry number, however. If rocks are counted as items, most fortresses have thousands of them in just a few years. The other number is what is most significant (I wonder where the heck it comes from?) I've had four miners digging non-stop for about 10 years now, and my stocks menu says I have 70,000 stones. Allowing for underground soil tiles (which don't produce stone) and stone/ore consumed by industry, each miner can probably clear about 2,000 tiles a year: one artifact. I have 21 artifacts in my fortress now (and two failed moods early on), so if that rate is indicative, I'd say you want to employ three or more miners non-stop to maximize your chances.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 00:09, 17 November 2008 (EST)

::The guy who wrote [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Stone_management#Block_Stockpile this] doesn't seem to think that stones count as created items. Also, "revealed tiles" is ambiguous. For example, [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Exploratory_mining#Mine_shafts this] method is very good at showing you what's inside of a tile without actually mining it out. Do you suppose that seeing whats inside is enough?

::Where do you think these numbers came from anyway? I'm gonna take a look through the edit history and try to track them down. [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 00:15, 17 November 2008 (EST)

:::They came during [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Strange_mood&diff=25038&oldid=24936 this edit]. They're so specific I've got to think the author did some poking around with a disassembler. Again, though, 200 is such a paltry number. If underground "open space" counts, then discovering a chasm, bottomless pit, or magma pipe should many thousands thousands of revealed tiles. If underground floor tiles are needed, you'll have to mine most of them out yourself.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 00:34, 17 November 2008 (EST)

::::I had a chat with [[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] over at his talk page, since he edited the page around the time the changes were made. He seemed fairly certain that all you had to do to "reveal" a tile was to have a passable square next to it, so I edited the article to reflect that. He did not, however, know anything about how bolts or stones would affect things. Right now my hopes are on [[User:Marble_Dice|Marble Dice]], whom I believe made the actual addition. I'm not sure if he's a very active user though.

::::By the way, the reason I'm doing all this is that I'm considering optimizing a fortress for strange moods: have '''lots''' of dwarves with only "dabbling" in a single strange mood skill to gain maximum benefit from the moods. Any ideas for fortress strategies that will go well with this? [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 02:44, 17 November 2008 (EST)

:::::I saw the conversation -- I keep my eye on [[Special:Recentchanges]]. What he says about "reveal" is correct, as far as I know. I still wonder about "open space" tiles. If they count as revealed, all you really need to do is find a chasm/pit/magma pipe and you'll be in moods for years to come.

:::::I've done the dabbling strategy in the past. It's best to emphasize just a few skills you really really want that are otherwise hard to train due to limited materials -- armorsmith, weaponsmith, bone carver, leatherworker, carpenter, etc. It works fine with any fortress strategy.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 04:30, 17 November 2008 (EST)

40d:Giant leopard

2008-11-18T15:22:57Z

HeWhoIsPale: New page: {{CreatureInfo|name=Giant leopard|symbol=L|color={{COLOR:6:0:1}}|bones=9|fat=3|skin=Yes|skulls=1|chunks=9|meat=9|biome= *Any Tropical *Badland Desert *Rock Desert *Sand Desert...

{{CreatureInfo|name=Giant leopard|symbol=L|color={{COLOR:6:0:1}}|bones=9|fat=3|skin=Yes|skulls=1|chunks=9|meat=9|biome=
*Any [[Tropical]]
*[[Badland]] [[Desert]]
*Rock Desert
*Sand Desert}}
Like a [[leopard]], but really big.

{{Game_Data|[CREATURE:LEOPARD_GIANT]
[NAME:giant leopard:giant leopards:giant leopard]
[TILE:'L'][COLOR:6:0:1]
[MODVALUE:3]
[LARGE_ROAMING][FREQUENCY:5]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:2:3]
[CLUSTER_NUMBER:1:1]
[LARGE_PREDATOR][SAVAGE]
[MEANDERER]
[GENPOWER:2]
[PETVALUE:100]
[GRASSTRAMPLE:0][NATURAL][PET]
[CARNIVORE]
[PREFSTRING:spotted coats]
[BODY:QUADRUPED:TAIL:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:MOUTH]
[BODYGLOSS:PAW]
[SIZE:9]
[MAXAGE:10:20]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:MOUTH:bite:bites:1:6:GORE][ATTACKFLAG_CANLATCH]
[CHILD:3][CHILDNAME:giant leopard cub:giant leopard cubs]
[FAT:3]
[NOCTURNAL]
[BIOME:ANY_TROPICAL]
[BIOME:DESERT_BADLAND]
[BIOME:DESERT_ROCK]
[BIOME:DESERT_SAND]
[STANDARD_FLESH]
[HOMEOTHERM:10067]
[LAYERING:100]
[SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]}}
{{Creatures}}
[[Category:Animals]]

40d:Engraving

2008-11-14T15:19:35Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Art defacement */

'''Engraving''' [[smoothing|smooth]] [[wall]]s and [[floor]]s will increase the [[value]] of a [[room]]. This is done by [[dwarves]] with the [[Stone Detailing]] skill.
Engravings may cause happy [[thought]]s, and are a good way to keep a record of the fort's [[Legends|history]].

== Engraving an area ==
# Press {{K|d}} to open the designate menu.
# Press {{K|e}} to select "Engrave Stone".
# Move the cursor to a position on or near a wall and press {{K|enter}}.
# The spot you marked changes to a blinking green "+" indicating where the area you wish to engrave extends from.
# Move the cursor to any position, across the area you wish to engrave and press {{K|enter}} again.
# The wall tiles in the area you defined should blink with a light blue regular pattern.
# Wait for a [[dwarf]] to engrave the [[stone]] on the walls.

== Art quality ==
Engraved surfaces raise the [[value]] of [[room]]s, depending on the [[quality]] of the engraving. Engravings only affect the value of the room on the side they were made on, though smoothing affects both sides.[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=26201.msg307267#msg307267] The value of smooth and engraved walls is considered "Architecture" under the "Fortress [[Wealth]]" table. Quality affects what is inscribed on an engraving. Normal-quality engravings will never have the history of your [[fortress]] on them, and are usually about random things in the [[world]]. Engravings made with a quality of well-crafted and up will often contain pieces of historical information about your fortress' past. Engravers are inspired by the history of your fort and will use them in the engraving. Like when your [[axedwarf]] bravely held a crucial part of the fort and slew some [[goblin]]s, your engravers can make a graven image of it.

Engravings can be viewed by pressing {{K|k}}, moving the cursor over the engraved area, using the {{K|+}} or {{K|-}} keys to move down to the engraving and pressing enter. [[Adventurer]]s are also able to view these by revisiting your old fortress (use {{K|l}} to look around, then {{K|a}} over an engraving you want to look at), and will see a much more detailed description of the engraved happening. The art and the story behind the engraving will show up in the [[legends]] mode. Detailed engravings can also be turned on for fortress mode in the [[init]] file.

== Toggle engravings ==
Engraved walls and floors are represented by default with pictures on a gray background, sometimes making it difficult to differentiate between them. It is possible to display engraved surfaces as smooth ones with the "toggle engraving" option (but then you will not differentiate between engraved and smooth surfaces).

To change the display of individual engravings in-game, select "Toggle Engraving" in the designation menu ({{K|d}}-{{K|v}}) and select the area you wish to display differently (this has no effect on gameplay).

The display default is set in the [[init]] file line '''[ENGRAVINGS_START_OBSCURED:NO]'''. Replacing '''NO''' by '''YES''' will cause new engravings to show as smooth surfaces.

== Art defacement ==
A [[Quality|masterful]] engraving that is destroyed or defaced ([[mining]], [[magma]], [[tower cap]]s and [[goblin]]s do the job nicely, though magma and tower caps will only destroy floor engravings) will cause an unhappy [[thought]] in the [[engraver]] (see the [[Quality]] article for details).
[[Category:Designations]]

40d:Item quality

2008-11-14T15:19:28Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Quality grades */ as per the talk page of engraving

All items in the game have a [[item value|base value]], which is multiplied by what [[material value|material]] the item is made of and by the item's '''quality'''. [[Decoration]]s (such as bone, gems, and studding) further increase the value.

Item quality can have an effect on an item's properties, especially [[armor]] and [[weapons]].

__TOC__
== Quality grades ==

All crafted items ([[furniture]], [[armor]], [[bolts]], etc.) – but not intermediate materials ([[bars]], [[blocks]], etc. except [[cloth]], which does have quality levels) – are bracketed by characters that show the quality of their craftsdwarfship. Dyeing also has a quality level, as does Decorating/Encrusting (with gems, leathers, cloth, etc). Prepared foods have quality levels. Alcohol has a hidden quality rating that controls the amount of happiness a dwarf gets from drinking it. It is not yet known whether the damage or destruction of masterful alcohol can cause tantrums.

{|
! style="padding-right: 35px;" | '''Designation''' || style="text-align: left;" | '''Description''' || style="padding-right: 20px; padding-left: 15px; text-align: center;" | '''Value Modifier''' || style="text-align: center;" | ''' Damage / To-Hit / Armor Modifier'''
|-
|  Item Name || style="text-align: center;" | —     || style="text-align: center;" | ×1  || style="text-align: center;" | ×1.0 
|-
| -Item Name- || Well-crafted || style="text-align: center;" | ×2  || style="text-align: center;" | ×1.2 
|-
| +Item Name+ || Finely-crafted || style="text-align: center;" | ×3  || style="text-align: center;" | ×1.4 
|-
| *Item Name* || Superior quality || style="text-align: center;" | ×4  || style="text-align: center;" | ×1.6 
|-
| ≡Item Name≡ || Exceptional || style="text-align: center;" | ×5  || style="text-align: center;" | ×1.8 
|-
| ☼Item Name☼ || Masterful || style="text-align: center;" | ×12  || style="text-align: center;" | ×2.0 
|-
| ''Unique name'' || Artifact || style="text-align: center;" | ×120  || style="text-align: center;" | ×2.0 
|}

When a masterful quality item is created, the game will announce, "<dwarf> has created a masterpiece!" The destruction or theft of such a masterpiece will cause the dwarf that created it an unhappy thought. [[Trading]] a masterpiece item to merchants is always safe. Masterpiece meals can be eaten safely, although allowing the food to rot will provoke the same response as theft or destruction. Using masterpiece bolts will not cause a tantrum, even if the bolts break. However, if a kobold or wild animal steals a used masterpiece bolt which was lying around, then the maker's mood will decrease.

The magnitude of the unhappy thought is equal to 1000 divided by the number of masterworks the dwarf has created{{verify}}. So a engraver with hundreds of masterwork images on the walls of the fortress will be merely irked by the destruction of a one, while a a dwarf who has only made a single masterwork item would become deeply upset.

Since legendary dwarves are most likely to be the ones creating masterpieces, keeping these creations safe should be high priority; tantruming legendary dwarves can be very difficult to subdue.

[[Artifact]] items have a unique name instead of bracketing symbols and are worth 120x base value. Artifacts, like masterpiece items, will cause a significant mood drop in the creator when destroyed or stolen. According to inspections of the memory values, it seems that artifacts have the same quality value as masterpiece items, with presumably the same armor/weapon modifiers (×2.0){{verify}}.

== Skill and quality levels ==

Tradesdwarves of different [[skill]] levels will produce items of differing quality. "Dabbling" dwarves never (without applicable preference) produce anything above a basic quality item, [[legendary]] dwarves usually produce Exceptional items, and the best legendary dwarves produce Masterful items approximately 27% of the time.

Preferences for particular materials and objects make a considerable difference. Although the exact adjustment is unknown, preliminary testing indicates that they can boost effective skill (not quality) by one to three levels (if the craftdwarf likes the item type, subtype and material), and have thus greatest impact when the dwarf is still relatively unskilled.

{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" valign="bottom"
|-
!Chance for !!No quality!!Well-crafted!!Finely-crafted!!Superior quality!!Exceptional!!Masterful!!Average [[Value]] Multiplier
|-
|Dabbling || 100% || || || || || ||1
|-
|Novice || 80% || 18% || 1.9% ||0.13% ||0.007% ||0.00009% ||1.2170
|-
|No label || 60% || 32% || 6.9% || 1.0% || 0.1% ||0.003% ||1.4924
|-
|Competent || 40% || 42% || 14% || 3.1% || 0.5% ||0.02% ||1.8114
|-
|Skilled || 20% || 48% || 24% || 6.8% || 1.6% ||0.09% ||2.2392
|-
|Proficient || || 50% || 33% || 12% || 4.0% ||0.28% ||2.7036
|-
|Talented || || 40% || 36% || 17% || 6.6% ||0.58% ||2.9596
|-
|Adept || || 30% || 37% || 21% || 10% || 1.1% ||3.182
|-
|Expert || || 20% || 37% || 26% || 15% || 1.8% ||3.516
|-
|Professional|| || 10% || 36% || 30% || 21% || 2.9% ||3.878
|-
|Accomplished|| || || 33% || 33% || 29% || 4.4% ||4.288
|-
|Great || || || 27% || 33% || 34% || 5.9% ||4.538
|-
|Master || || || 20% || 32% || 40% || 7.7% ||4.804
|-
|High Master || || || 13% || 31% || 46% || 9.8% ||5.106
|-
|Grand Master|| || || 6.7% || 28% || 53% || 12% ||5.411
|-
|Legendary || || || || 25% || 60% || 15% ||5.8
|-
|Legendary+5 || || || || || 73% || 27% ||6.89
|}

The above table is based on the formula discovered by [[User:Bartavelle]]:

First, a skill level is computed, apparently directly related to the dabbling...legendary indicators. No skill or dabbling is 0, legendary is 15. It's capped at 20.

Item quality is set to 0.

Then dice are rolled.

* If d5 < skill level, quality is bumped. Otherwise, it just returns quality 0.
* If d10 < skill level, quality is bumped. Otherwise, it just returns quality 1.
* If d15 < skill level, quality is bumped. Otherwise, it just returns quality 2.
* If d20 < skill level, quality is bumped. Otherwise, it just returns quality 3.
* If d25 < skill level and d3 == 1, quality is set to 5. Otherwise, it just returns quality 4.

This gives the 6 quality levels (0 to 5).

According to inspections of the memory values, it seems that artifacts have a quality of 5.

== Effect of quality on weapon skill {{ver|0.23.130.23a}} ==

To quote Toady:
<div style="width: 50em; padding: 0.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; border: 1px solid #ccc; background: #eee;">
The quality of any weapon, including crossbows used as launchers, affects the skill of the shooter. I think this even leads to obscene things like master crossbows + master bolts causing recruits to shoot like legends. In general, if the quality Q is from 0 to 5, the skill is modified according to

Skillnew = Skilloriginal × (1.0 + 0.2 × Q) + Q

This is pretty extreme and will probably be reduced for all weapons.
</div>

while equipped with a single masterpiece weapon, dwarves have skill increase to Accomplished, not Legendary. Still, the bonus is way too high. See this chart for the exact levels:

Note: This chart is out of date/wrong due to the facts that the integer that represents a specific skill level is not known, how the formula rounds is not known, and the fact that higher legendaries exist is known.

{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" valign="bottom"
|-
!Result for !!Well-crafted!!Finely-crafted!!Superior quality!!Exceptional!!Masterful
|-
|Dabbling ||No label ||Skilled ||Talented ||Expert ||Accomplished
|-
|Novice ||Competent ||Proficient ||Expert ||Accomplished||Master
|-
|No label ||Skilled ||Adept ||Professional ||Master ||Grand Master
|-
|Competent ||Talented ||Expert ||Great ||High Master||Legendary
|-
|Skilled ||Adept ||Accomplished ||Master ||Legendary ||Legendary
|-
|Proficient ||Expert ||Great ||Grand Master ||Legendary ||Legendary
|-
|Talented ||Professional||Master ||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary
|-
|Adept ||Accomplished||Grand Master ||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary
|-
|Expert ||Master ||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary
|-
|Professional||High Master ||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary
|-
|Accomplished||Grand Master||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary
|-
|Great and better||Legendary||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary ||Legendary
|}

If this is true, then it would be possible to:

# Train a couple dozen skilled miners
# Give them exceptional picks
# Draft them and give them decent armor
# Kill a goblin siege with a couple dozen legendary speardwarves (picks = 70% damage spears) as long as there are no enemy champions to destroy your armour/shield/wrestling inept speardwarves

[[Category:Items|*Quality]]

40d Talk:Legendary artifact

2008-11-14T15:06:44Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Destruction */

==What can become an artifact?==
What are some of the things that dwarfs can make into artifacts? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 03:59, 1 December 2007 (EST)
:Any item that your dwarves can craft and has a quality modifier can be made into artifacts. This includes armor, clothing, weapons, all kinds of crafts, furniture, cut gems and whatnot. Notable exceptions include coins(dunnae have quality modifiers), buildings(aint items) and babies(those rascals!). Bars, blocks, raw glass and other such base materials have no quality modifier and cannot be artifacts. I've never seen or heard about legendary meals, drinks and cloth/thread, so I think they can't be artifacts either. Though dwarves will say that they've eaten a legendary meal, when they've consumed a masterpiece meal. [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 06:02, 1 December 2007 (EST)
::Ive heard of someone creating a artifact meal and almost having it rot away before getting it into the food stockpile [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 11:00, 1 December 2007 (EST)
==Destruction==
On #bay12games, there was some question about artifacts being destroyed by magma. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Also ways to destroy artifacts which aren't listed: Trading, dumping in magma vent (the floorless bottom seems to count as chasm), and dropping a bridge on it. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 02:10, 20 January 2008 (EST)
:I can't imagine anything not made of a [[magma-proof]] base material *not* being destroyed by any significant immersion in magma. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:29, 20 January 2008 (EST)
::And yet because it's an artifact, it may have a special flag that prevents specifically that. Can anyone confirm non-magma-proof artifact destruction in magma? [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 11:52, 24 January 2008 (EST)
::Nevermind. I did. Artifact mechanism melted in magma. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 02:34, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
Can artifacts burn? After a very large confrontation with a couple dozen spirits of fire, my artifact kobold bone shield is putting off lots of smoke and burning anyone that comes near it, but isn't actually on fire (there's no !! next to the name). After about a year of it smoking up my fort, I channeled the ground under it and built a floor on top of it. 5 years later, it's still there, still smoking, and apparently hot enough to make the walls around it warm. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 16:44, 13 November 2008 (EST)

:By any chance is it encircled with bands of plutonium?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 17:33, 13 November 2008 (EST)
::Whoops, wrong bone shield. My other artifact bone shield is the buggered one: ''Tabaralen, "The Faithful Moth" This is a giant cave spider chitin shield. All craftsdwarfship is of the highest quality. Is is decorated with turtle shell and goblin bone. This object menaces with spikes of giant cave spider chitin, Native gold and Tower-cap. On the item is an image of two shields in Phyllite. On the item is an image of Tirist Leaderhammer the dwarf and dwarves in turtle shell. Tirist Leaderhammer is surrounded by the dwarves. The artwork relates to the ascension of the dwarf Tirist Leaderhammer to leadership of The Boats of Swallowing in 98. On the item is an image of Mosus Autumnstockade the dwarf in Phyllite.'' [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 10:06, 14 November 2008 (EST)

== Furniture ==

All right, so what can I do with a legendary [[lace agate]] [[hatch cover]]?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 03:20, 22 January 2008 (EST)
:<s>Same thing as 90% of Artis. Sell it or</s> Build it in a Noble's room. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 06:04, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:: Artifacts are not tradeable. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 08:19, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:::Really... that's weird then since I would swear that I sold a particularly valuable bracelet after killing off it's creator that was otherwise useless... Being that it was a good amount of time ago (possibly even pre-3D) that I actually *tried* to sell an arti, it's quite likely that time has muddled an attempt to sell into a successful sale. I suppose this somewhat nullifies my previous comment, since it's far less than 90% of artis which are buildable. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 08:46, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

We just endured a rather nasty goblin ambush (I'd built a nice castle but hadn't yet built a real military to go with it, so we huddled inside with the drawbridge up for a whole season while I had my dwarves equip and train a small army to "break out" with) and one of my peasants gave me the nicest present after we cleaned up; a legendary goblin bone door made out of the bones of our fallen enemies. I very much want to use this as our castle's main entrance door now. Does anyone know if an artifact's indestructibility applies to trolls and similar door-wreckers? Oh, I've got magma, so I'll make a copy of the save game and test whether magma can burn through such a thing too. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 15:30, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
:It's a constructed nonterrain feature, thus it's going to be knocked down by anything that deconstructs constructions. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 17:38, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

::Hmph. I'll put it a couple of layers deep inside my fortifications, then. Guests will pass through it but invaders will have to fight pretty hard to get there. I'll just have to be satisfied with my giant electrum drawbridge as a fancy front door. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 18:10, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

== Artifact menu ==

I seem to recall stumbling across a list of the various legendary artifacts I had created. Can anyone tell me how to get to it again?
:If you're talking about current artifacts in a given fortress, you get a new menu option once you've produced atleast one in that fortress. (lowercase {{k|L}}) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 21:59, 22 January 2008 (EST)

much better
--[[User:NateAustin|NateAustin]] 17:36, 29 February 2008 (EST)

== Trade ==

Is it possible to trade legendary artifacts? I just got a legendary statue and it currently sitting my furniture storage. I 've tried to get my dwarves to bring it to the depot, but it doesnt show up on the trade list. Is it possible? [[User:Robje|Robje]] 18:09, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
:No, Artifacts are not tradeable. They will not even take them to the depot if they sit in a bin marked for trade. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 08:20, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

== Value ==
The value can be found under the artifact menur "l"
what is the maximum calue you have found on an artifact, mine is platnium high boot for 146400? --[[User:Corhen|Corhen]]
:There is a thread on the forums somewhere with this specific purpose. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 17:02, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

== "Finished Goods"-type Artifacts...? ==

I understand the point of furniture artifacts- they can be built and are great for nobles- but what the heck are you supposed to do with artifact rings/amulets/crowns/scepters/et cetera? I'm sitting on over 300,000 value worth of "Finished Goods" artifacts. I guess my dwarves don't like building furniture... --[[User:Borgin|Borgin]]

:You could abandon the fortress and come back in adventure mode. Artifact rings? Too good! --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 11:01, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

:There might be more point to those types if/when artifacts start getting special magical effects. That's probably a long ways off though. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 12:16, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

:But even in Adventure Mode, artifacts (besides weapons/armor) don't have much of a point, right? To be honest, I've never gone through Adventure Mode- ''it lags my laptop''. Sad, I know. But like BahamutZERO said, at least they'll gain some point ''eventually''... And hopefully soon. --[[User:Borgin|Borgin]] 23:46, 15 May 2008 (CST)

::Well you can trade 'em to merchants in Adventure mode, I'd imagine? Maybe not, I've never tried, and I doubt the shops sell anything you'd care about (ie masterpiece steel or adamantine weapons and armor). Still, I think it's fun to walk around wearing an artifact ring or amulet! At least until an archer kills you. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 02:45, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
:::As far as I can tell, artifact crafts/goblets/etc are used entirely for boosting your fortress created wealth stat. There is rarely a time when a sudden 200k added to that is trivial.--[[User:Dadamh|Dadamh]] 14:36, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

:::Artifact craft items work weird in Adventure mode: you can sell them to a shopkeeper for all their goods and cash, and just pick it back up and walk away without guards jumping you for thievery; you can even re-sell it to the same guy if he has any money left. This is a pretty blatant exploit, though of limited use (coins is heavy!). You cannot, however, fast travel with an artifact you've already sold. But what does a wandering professional spearelf do with a turtle bone crown, anyway? --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 21:25, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

== selling ==

is there a way to hack DF and be able to sell artifacts? --[[User:0todd0|0todd0]] 20:58, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== Artifact millstones and gems ==
My dwarves have made three artifacts so far; I know that my emerald flask is just for style, but what of the "Perfect Aquamarine" and the Millstone? Will some noble love having a mill placed in his bedroom, grinding away at all hours of the night when he's trying to sleep, or is it just going to annoy him? As for the aquamarine, can it be crafted into furniture? Will this raise the item's value exponentially? Will it still serve to elevate a room to royal status for satisfying noble needs? If no one has the answers to these questions, I'll do the research myself and post findings.
--[[User:Eddie|Eddie]] 14:33, 2 July 2008 (EDT)
::Go ahead and use the millstone -- it'll work just fine. As for the gem, it just looks pretty. Sometimes gem cutters make large gems, and you can trade them away.[[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 11:16, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

== Artifact quality modifier? ==

I know that the quality modifier for regular equipped items is 1.0... for masterful it's 2.0... But what is the modifier for artifact level items? I can't find it anywhere. --[[User:PrettyGrizzly|PrettyGrizzly]] 11:04, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
:The QUALITY modifier for artifacts is the same as Masterful, 2.0. The VALUE modifier of artifacts is MUCH higher than the Masterful's x12, though. :) AFAIK, the only difference is that only Legendary weapon/armor users can equip legendary weapons/armors. I may be wrong but I believe I read something to that effect a few months back. ----[[User:Borgin|Borgin]] 20:00, 12 August 2008

== Too precious to put down ==

Am I the only one whose dwarves create legendary... [[floodgate]]s, put them down in the workshop and immediately pick them up again... then continue on with their merry lives just significantly weighed down?

I have never been able to use an artifact yet. My dwarves just never let them go!
[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 03:04, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

:That's never happened to me, fortunately. I've seen three legendary doors, a legendary grate, a legendary bed, and a legendary batman cabinet, and was able to place them all normally. In fact, I've never had a military dwarf who was skillful enough to be worthy of picking up a legendary weapon or piece of armor. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 04:37, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

:I do believe that, in earlier versions, artificiers would carry their artifacts with them until death ripped them from their icy fingers. Perhaps you're just using an older version...? [[User:Borgin|Borgin]] 20:04, 12 August 2008

== Weird Materials (and armour?) ==

"Artifact weapons won't be used by recruits and normal warriors, only by elites and champions." Does this include armour? Also, should we add somewhere that weird materials are possible? Platinum plate armour (which is AWESOME) and the like that aren't normally possible? (I know I've seen it said ''somewhere'', but it's not here) [[User:Droqen|Droqen]] 10:58, 27 July 2008 (EST)

: My Charbone Battle Axe says it should be written down SOMEWHERE :P ...as does my Kunzite Cabinet and Blue Garnet Statue. I have some crazy dwarves. Oh, and that thing about any room with an artifact in it being royal....bunk. I have an artifact Bismuth Chain in a throne room, place didn't get bumped up to royal status until I also threw in the artifact Oaken Hatch Cover. --[[User:Eddie|Eddie]] 11:51, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
:: I think that, more specifically, it is that ''most'' artifacts will bump up a room to royal but all. Example: I have a Purple Spinel Door (worth 48000) that bumped up three rooms at once to royal quality. --[[User:Toloran|Toloran]] 20:07, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Um, my craftsdwarf just got possessed, and he made a bone spear. "this is a rhesus macaque bone spear, highest quality craftsdwarfship, adorned with hanging rings of birch. does anyone how much damage it will do? is it even possible? [[User:Destor|Destor]] 10:32, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
:Bone gives a 0.5 damage multiplier, but being an artifact gives it a massive (though unknown) damage multiplier also. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 09:32, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

== availability ==
Is there a way to hack the game so you can make artifact weapons, even if the dwarf isn't in a fey mood? Or better, for them out of nothing? -Eddren, Fortress extraordinar

:Firstly, you signed incorrectly. Use four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) to sign with the name and date.

:Secondly, you spelled 'extraordinaire' incorrectly.

:Thirdly, no, not without modifying the source, which would mean you'd need to be a developer (which is, at the time of writing, just one person--Toady), or you'd need to decompile the executable to the base code (good luck with that). And after that, you'd need to be knowledgeable enough in the language it's written in to modify the code to suit your needs.

:In short, no. Wait for moods, like the ''rest'' of us do. And don't expect to be able to create '''artifacts''' out of '''nothing'''. ~ [[User:Midna|Midna]] 02:55, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

== Artifact Quine! ==

My Tanner claimed a leatherworking shop and produced a self-referential artifact: Lathonnunùr, "The Mythical Crevices", a donkey leather mask.
:This is a donkey leather mask. All craftsdwarfship is of the highest quality. This object menaces with spikes of dog leather and Alunite. '''On the item is an image of The Mythical Crevices the donkey leather mask in donkey leather.''' On the item is an image of Portalshades the alligator and dwarves in muskox leather. Portalshades in surrounded by the dwarves. The artwork relates to the rise of the alligator Portalshades as an enemy of The Problematic Sack in 29.
Presumably the image is recursive? Anyway, this artifact was apparently ''so cool'' that it created a disturbance in the Force which the dwarves back home managed to pick up, because the very next caravan to arrive offered an empty lead cage decorated with a (presumably also recursive) picture of The Mythical Crevices:
:This is a well-crafted Lead cage. It is decorated with exceptionally worked giant eagle leather and encircled with bands of exceptionally worked Ruby. On the item is a finely-designed image of The Mythical Crevices the donkey leather mask in Cassiterite.
(Note that I'm running with <tt><nowiki>[SHOW_ALL_HISTORY_IN_DWARF_MODE:YES]</nowiki></tt>, and my fortress started in the year 88. I didn't feel like waiting for the whole thousand-year history to generate — if you hit Escape during worldgen, you can start playing with the universe "so far". Useful thing to know.)
--[[User:Quuxplusone|Quuxplusone]] 23:40, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

== Reclaim Mode and Artifacts ==

It seems that if you have artifacts, lose your fortress, then reclaim, the artifacts are weirdly affected. Artifacts become sellable, for a start. This kinda makes sense because your dwarves don't care so much about someone else's artifacts, I suppose. The really odd thing, though, is that constructed artifacts (grates, doors, etc) seem to stop being artifacts. Shislugbumal becomes merely an elf bone throne - and if you view the items in the "building" the throne contains a Shislugbumal which isn't marked [B], can't be dumped or claimed, isn't listed in the stocks screen etc. And if the throne is deconstructed, it ceases to exist entirely. It does, however, still give a huge boost to the room value. Is this normal behavior?

PS: Damnit, every time I look to this wiki my dwarves all run off to be eaten by skeletal horses. Bastards. --[[User:Groveller|Groveller]] 10:57, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

== Adventure Mode Artfact Oddity ==
So I go to my fortress where two artifacts, a spear and a boot, happen to be still inside the forge. I take the spear and boot out, equip the spear, drop the boot, and look again. It shows that the spear and boot are still in the forge, with an additional boot outside the forge. Further, when I fast travel and end up fighting a bear, the spear is gone from my hand. Thankfully I'd kept the old one as a spare. Any ideas what's going on here? --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 14:57, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Legendary artifact

2008-11-13T21:44:07Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Destruction */

==What can become an artifact?==
What are some of the things that dwarfs can make into artifacts? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 03:59, 1 December 2007 (EST)
:Any item that your dwarves can craft and has a quality modifier can be made into artifacts. This includes armor, clothing, weapons, all kinds of crafts, furniture, cut gems and whatnot. Notable exceptions include coins(dunnae have quality modifiers), buildings(aint items) and babies(those rascals!). Bars, blocks, raw glass and other such base materials have no quality modifier and cannot be artifacts. I've never seen or heard about legendary meals, drinks and cloth/thread, so I think they can't be artifacts either. Though dwarves will say that they've eaten a legendary meal, when they've consumed a masterpiece meal. [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 06:02, 1 December 2007 (EST)
::Ive heard of someone creating a artifact meal and almost having it rot away before getting it into the food stockpile [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 11:00, 1 December 2007 (EST)
==Destruction==
On #bay12games, there was some question about artifacts being destroyed by magma. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Also ways to destroy artifacts which aren't listed: Trading, dumping in magma vent (the floorless bottom seems to count as chasm), and dropping a bridge on it. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 02:10, 20 January 2008 (EST)
:I can't imagine anything not made of a [[magma-proof]] base material *not* being destroyed by any significant immersion in magma. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:29, 20 January 2008 (EST)
::And yet because it's an artifact, it may have a special flag that prevents specifically that. Can anyone confirm non-magma-proof artifact destruction in magma? [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 11:52, 24 January 2008 (EST)
::Nevermind. I did. Artifact mechanism melted in magma. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 02:34, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
Can artifacts burn? After a very large confrontation with a couple dozen spirits of fire, my artifact kobold bone shield is putting off lots of smoke and burning anyone that comes near it, but isn't actually on fire (there's no !! next to the name). After about a year of it smoking up my fort, I channeled the ground under it and built a floor on top of it. 5 years later, it's still there, still smoking, and apparently hot enough to make the walls around it warm. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 16:44, 13 November 2008 (EST)

== Furniture ==

All right, so what can I do with a legendary [[lace agate]] [[hatch cover]]?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 03:20, 22 January 2008 (EST)
:<s>Same thing as 90% of Artis. Sell it or</s> Build it in a Noble's room. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 06:04, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:: Artifacts are not tradeable. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 08:19, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:::Really... that's weird then since I would swear that I sold a particularly valuable bracelet after killing off it's creator that was otherwise useless... Being that it was a good amount of time ago (possibly even pre-3D) that I actually *tried* to sell an arti, it's quite likely that time has muddled an attempt to sell into a successful sale. I suppose this somewhat nullifies my previous comment, since it's far less than 90% of artis which are buildable. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 08:46, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

We just endured a rather nasty goblin ambush (I'd built a nice castle but hadn't yet built a real military to go with it, so we huddled inside with the drawbridge up for a whole season while I had my dwarves equip and train a small army to "break out" with) and one of my peasants gave me the nicest present after we cleaned up; a legendary goblin bone door made out of the bones of our fallen enemies. I very much want to use this as our castle's main entrance door now. Does anyone know if an artifact's indestructibility applies to trolls and similar door-wreckers? Oh, I've got magma, so I'll make a copy of the save game and test whether magma can burn through such a thing too. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 15:30, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
:It's a constructed nonterrain feature, thus it's going to be knocked down by anything that deconstructs constructions. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 17:38, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

::Hmph. I'll put it a couple of layers deep inside my fortifications, then. Guests will pass through it but invaders will have to fight pretty hard to get there. I'll just have to be satisfied with my giant electrum drawbridge as a fancy front door. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 18:10, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

== Artifact menu ==

I seem to recall stumbling across a list of the various legendary artifacts I had created. Can anyone tell me how to get to it again?
:If you're talking about current artifacts in a given fortress, you get a new menu option once you've produced atleast one in that fortress. (lowercase {{k|L}}) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 21:59, 22 January 2008 (EST)

much better
--[[User:NateAustin|NateAustin]] 17:36, 29 February 2008 (EST)

== Trade ==

Is it possible to trade legendary artifacts? I just got a legendary statue and it currently sitting my furniture storage. I 've tried to get my dwarves to bring it to the depot, but it doesnt show up on the trade list. Is it possible? [[User:Robje|Robje]] 18:09, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
:No, Artifacts are not tradeable. They will not even take them to the depot if they sit in a bin marked for trade. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 08:20, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

== Value ==
The value can be found under the artifact menur "l"
what is the maximum calue you have found on an artifact, mine is platnium high boot for 146400? --[[User:Corhen|Corhen]]
:There is a thread on the forums somewhere with this specific purpose. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 17:02, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

== "Finished Goods"-type Artifacts...? ==

I understand the point of furniture artifacts- they can be built and are great for nobles- but what the heck are you supposed to do with artifact rings/amulets/crowns/scepters/et cetera? I'm sitting on over 300,000 value worth of "Finished Goods" artifacts. I guess my dwarves don't like building furniture... --[[User:Borgin|Borgin]]

:You could abandon the fortress and come back in adventure mode. Artifact rings? Too good! --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 11:01, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

:There might be more point to those types if/when artifacts start getting special magical effects. That's probably a long ways off though. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 12:16, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

:But even in Adventure Mode, artifacts (besides weapons/armor) don't have much of a point, right? To be honest, I've never gone through Adventure Mode- ''it lags my laptop''. Sad, I know. But like BahamutZERO said, at least they'll gain some point ''eventually''... And hopefully soon. --[[User:Borgin|Borgin]] 23:46, 15 May 2008 (CST)

::Well you can trade 'em to merchants in Adventure mode, I'd imagine? Maybe not, I've never tried, and I doubt the shops sell anything you'd care about (ie masterpiece steel or adamantine weapons and armor). Still, I think it's fun to walk around wearing an artifact ring or amulet! At least until an archer kills you. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 02:45, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
:::As far as I can tell, artifact crafts/goblets/etc are used entirely for boosting your fortress created wealth stat. There is rarely a time when a sudden 200k added to that is trivial.--[[User:Dadamh|Dadamh]] 14:36, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

:::Artifact craft items work weird in Adventure mode: you can sell them to a shopkeeper for all their goods and cash, and just pick it back up and walk away without guards jumping you for thievery; you can even re-sell it to the same guy if he has any money left. This is a pretty blatant exploit, though of limited use (coins is heavy!). You cannot, however, fast travel with an artifact you've already sold. But what does a wandering professional spearelf do with a turtle bone crown, anyway? --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 21:25, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

== selling ==

is there a way to hack DF and be able to sell artifacts? --[[User:0todd0|0todd0]] 20:58, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== Artifact millstones and gems ==
My dwarves have made three artifacts so far; I know that my emerald flask is just for style, but what of the "Perfect Aquamarine" and the Millstone? Will some noble love having a mill placed in his bedroom, grinding away at all hours of the night when he's trying to sleep, or is it just going to annoy him? As for the aquamarine, can it be crafted into furniture? Will this raise the item's value exponentially? Will it still serve to elevate a room to royal status for satisfying noble needs? If no one has the answers to these questions, I'll do the research myself and post findings.
--[[User:Eddie|Eddie]] 14:33, 2 July 2008 (EDT)
::Go ahead and use the millstone -- it'll work just fine. As for the gem, it just looks pretty. Sometimes gem cutters make large gems, and you can trade them away.[[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 11:16, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

== Artifact quality modifier? ==

I know that the quality modifier for regular equipped items is 1.0... for masterful it's 2.0... But what is the modifier for artifact level items? I can't find it anywhere. --[[User:PrettyGrizzly|PrettyGrizzly]] 11:04, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
:The QUALITY modifier for artifacts is the same as Masterful, 2.0. The VALUE modifier of artifacts is MUCH higher than the Masterful's x12, though. :) AFAIK, the only difference is that only Legendary weapon/armor users can equip legendary weapons/armors. I may be wrong but I believe I read something to that effect a few months back. ----[[User:Borgin|Borgin]] 20:00, 12 August 2008

== Too precious to put down ==

Am I the only one whose dwarves create legendary... [[floodgate]]s, put them down in the workshop and immediately pick them up again... then continue on with their merry lives just significantly weighed down?

I have never been able to use an artifact yet. My dwarves just never let them go!
[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 03:04, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

:That's never happened to me, fortunately. I've seen three legendary doors, a legendary grate, a legendary bed, and a legendary batman cabinet, and was able to place them all normally. In fact, I've never had a military dwarf who was skillful enough to be worthy of picking up a legendary weapon or piece of armor. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 04:37, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

:I do believe that, in earlier versions, artificiers would carry their artifacts with them until death ripped them from their icy fingers. Perhaps you're just using an older version...? [[User:Borgin|Borgin]] 20:04, 12 August 2008

== Weird Materials (and armour?) ==

"Artifact weapons won't be used by recruits and normal warriors, only by elites and champions." Does this include armour? Also, should we add somewhere that weird materials are possible? Platinum plate armour (which is AWESOME) and the like that aren't normally possible? (I know I've seen it said ''somewhere'', but it's not here) [[User:Droqen|Droqen]] 10:58, 27 July 2008 (EST)

: My Charbone Battle Axe says it should be written down SOMEWHERE :P ...as does my Kunzite Cabinet and Blue Garnet Statue. I have some crazy dwarves. Oh, and that thing about any room with an artifact in it being royal....bunk. I have an artifact Bismuth Chain in a throne room, place didn't get bumped up to royal status until I also threw in the artifact Oaken Hatch Cover. --[[User:Eddie|Eddie]] 11:51, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
:: I think that, more specifically, it is that ''most'' artifacts will bump up a room to royal but all. Example: I have a Purple Spinel Door (worth 48000) that bumped up three rooms at once to royal quality. --[[User:Toloran|Toloran]] 20:07, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Um, my craftsdwarf just got possessed, and he made a bone spear. "this is a rhesus macaque bone spear, highest quality craftsdwarfship, adorned with hanging rings of birch. does anyone how much damage it will do? is it even possible? [[User:Destor|Destor]] 10:32, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
:Bone gives a 0.5 damage multiplier, but being an artifact gives it a massive (though unknown) damage multiplier also. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 09:32, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

== availability ==
Is there a way to hack the game so you can make artifact weapons, even if the dwarf isn't in a fey mood? Or better, for them out of nothing? -Eddren, Fortress extraordinar

:Firstly, you signed incorrectly. Use four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) to sign with the name and date.

:Secondly, you spelled 'extraordinaire' incorrectly.

:Thirdly, no, not without modifying the source, which would mean you'd need to be a developer (which is, at the time of writing, just one person--Toady), or you'd need to decompile the executable to the base code (good luck with that). And after that, you'd need to be knowledgeable enough in the language it's written in to modify the code to suit your needs.

:In short, no. Wait for moods, like the ''rest'' of us do. And don't expect to be able to create '''artifacts''' out of '''nothing'''. ~ [[User:Midna|Midna]] 02:55, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

== Artifact Quine! ==

My Tanner claimed a leatherworking shop and produced a self-referential artifact: Lathonnunùr, "The Mythical Crevices", a donkey leather mask.
:This is a donkey leather mask. All craftsdwarfship is of the highest quality. This object menaces with spikes of dog leather and Alunite. '''On the item is an image of The Mythical Crevices the donkey leather mask in donkey leather.''' On the item is an image of Portalshades the alligator and dwarves in muskox leather. Portalshades in surrounded by the dwarves. The artwork relates to the rise of the alligator Portalshades as an enemy of The Problematic Sack in 29.
Presumably the image is recursive? Anyway, this artifact was apparently ''so cool'' that it created a disturbance in the Force which the dwarves back home managed to pick up, because the very next caravan to arrive offered an empty lead cage decorated with a (presumably also recursive) picture of The Mythical Crevices:
:This is a well-crafted Lead cage. It is decorated with exceptionally worked giant eagle leather and encircled with bands of exceptionally worked Ruby. On the item is a finely-designed image of The Mythical Crevices the donkey leather mask in Cassiterite.
(Note that I'm running with <tt><nowiki>[SHOW_ALL_HISTORY_IN_DWARF_MODE:YES]</nowiki></tt>, and my fortress started in the year 88. I didn't feel like waiting for the whole thousand-year history to generate — if you hit Escape during worldgen, you can start playing with the universe "so far". Useful thing to know.)
--[[User:Quuxplusone|Quuxplusone]] 23:40, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

== Reclaim Mode and Artifacts ==

It seems that if you have artifacts, lose your fortress, then reclaim, the artifacts are weirdly affected. Artifacts become sellable, for a start. This kinda makes sense because your dwarves don't care so much about someone else's artifacts, I suppose. The really odd thing, though, is that constructed artifacts (grates, doors, etc) seem to stop being artifacts. Shislugbumal becomes merely an elf bone throne - and if you view the items in the "building" the throne contains a Shislugbumal which isn't marked [B], can't be dumped or claimed, isn't listed in the stocks screen etc. And if the throne is deconstructed, it ceases to exist entirely. It does, however, still give a huge boost to the room value. Is this normal behavior?

PS: Damnit, every time I look to this wiki my dwarves all run off to be eaten by skeletal horses. Bastards. --[[User:Groveller|Groveller]] 10:57, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

== Adventure Mode Artfact Oddity ==
So I go to my fortress where two artifacts, a spear and a boot, happen to be still inside the forge. I take the spear and boot out, equip the spear, drop the boot, and look again. It shows that the spear and boot are still in the forge, with an additional boot outside the forge. Further, when I fast travel and end up fighting a bear, the spear is gone from my hand. Thankfully I'd kept the old one as a spare. Any ideas what's going on here? --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 14:57, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Creatures

2008-11-13T17:10:48Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* The dwarves have given a resident Cave Swallowman the name Ducim Isethilral. */

===Here kitty!===
What are the triggers for semi- and megabeasts? Is there any way to encourage them? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:47, 11 November 2007 (EST)

:Pretty sure semimegabeasts don't attack in fortress mode. Don't know what triggers megabeasts in this version. On my current fort, I saw my first (a hydra) after 100 pop, don't know if that's the trigger or if it was just a coincidence.

::Megabeasts used to attack based on your total fortress value. Semi-megabeasts are found in caves and such. --[[User:Nitem4re|Nitem4re]] 17:23, 13 November 2007 (EST)

== Reason for ordering? ==

Is there any particular reason why these aren't alphabetised? --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 17:20, 5 March 2008 (EST)
: You could put each group of creatures into a table, such as:
{| style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0;background:#F9F9F9;border:1px #AAA solid;border-collapse:collapse;" class="wikitable sortable"
|- style="background:#F2F2F2;text-align:center;"
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Name!!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Biome
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Dog]]||style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Common domestic
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Rhesus macaque]]||style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Temperate shrubland, Temperate savanna, Temperate grassland
|}

If this is acceptable, I can begin changing them to use this format (perhaps a template would be useful?). --[[User:SeiferTim|SeiferTim]] 13:53, 7 March 2008 (EST)

== Page Cleanup ==

Okay, so I've begun a mission to clean up the creatures page. So far, I made a couple of templates for the sortable table, and I've started converting the currently existing lists into tables. Phase II will be to alphabetize the tables.
Would it make sense to change the way the creatures are categorized? It seems less helpful (at least to me) to have them grouped by Neutral, Benign, Evil, etc, then to group them by type or biome?

For example, would it be better to have the table look like this:

=== Natural ===
{| style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0;background:#F9F9F9;border:1px #AAA solid;border-collapse:collapse;" class="wikitable sortable"
|- style="background:#F2F2F2;text-align:center;"
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Symbol
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Name
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Type
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Size
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Biome
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" |
{| style="border-spacing: 0; background: black; padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid white; margin: 0.1em auto"
|-
! style="font-size: 200%; background: #000;padding: 0.1em 0.25em;color:{{COLOR:6:0:0}};" | d
|}
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Dog]]
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Benign
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|5
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|None
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" |
{| style="border-spacing: 0; background: black; padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid white; margin: 0.1em auto"
|-
! style="font-size: 200%; background: #000; padding: 0.1em 0.25em;color:{{COLOR:0:0:1}};" | r
|}
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Large rat]]
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Neutral
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|4
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Chasm
|}

=== Aquatic ===
{| style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0;background:#F9F9F9;border:1px #AAA solid;border-collapse:collapse;" class="wikitable sortable"
|- style="background:#F2F2F2;text-align:center;"
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Symbol
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Name
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Type
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Size
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Biome
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" |
{| style="border-spacing: 0; background: black; padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid white; margin: 0.1em auto"
|-
! style="font-size: 200%; background: #000;padding: 0.1em 0.25em;color:{{COLOR:1:0:0}};" | c
|}
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Coelacanth]]
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Benign
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|6
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Tropical ocean
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" |
{| style="border-spacing: 0; background: black; padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid white; margin: 0.1em auto"
|-
! style="font-size: 200%; background: #000; padding: 0.1em 0.25em;color:{{COLOR:7:0:0}};" | ~
|}
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Eel conger|Eel, conger]]
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Benign
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|7
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Arctic ocean, Temperate ocean
|}

=== Amphibious ===
{| style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0;background:#F9F9F9;border:1px #AAA solid;border-collapse:collapse;" class="wikitable sortable"
|- style="background:#F2F2F2;text-align:center;"
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Symbol
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Name
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Type
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Size
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Biome
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" |
{| style="border-spacing: 0; background: black; padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid white; margin: 0.1em auto"
|-
! style="font-size: 200%; background: #000;padding: 0.1em 0.25em;color:{{COLOR:7:0:0}};" | C
|}
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Cave crocodile]]
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Predator
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|10
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Subterranean water
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" |
{| style="border-spacing: 0; background: black; padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid white; margin: 0.1em auto"
|-
! style="font-size: 200%; background: #000; padding: 0.1em 0.25em;color:{{COLOR:2:0:0}};" | f
|}
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Frogman]]
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Predator
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|5
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Subterranean water
|}
--[[User:SeiferTim|SeiferTim]] 04:50, 8 March 2008 (EST)
:Perhaps it would be easier to automatically convert the raw data to wikitext than do this all by hand. That way we can avoid errors like listing dogs as benign. If you tell me what creature properties and format you want, I can start doing that. Although if you really prefer doing it by hand, I guess that's fine, too. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:48, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
:: If you can do that, it would be a lot easier ;)
The format I have for each row is this:
<nowiki>{{Creature table row|symbol= |color= (format X:0:X) |name= |type= |align= |size= |biome= }}</nowiki>--[[User:SeiferTim|SeiferTim]] 12:13, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
::: Also, I'm curious to know what you would do to convert the raw data... --[[User:SeiferTim|SeiferTim]] 14:38, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
::Wrote a c++ program to do it. What do you mean by type? What values can type have? Also, you can see what it's currently producing [[User:VengefulDonut/r|here]]. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:11, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

::: I haven't used C++ in like 8 years... I've been meaning to brush up on it.... Anyway, I think what you have looks brilliant (and here I was using Copy/Paste like a sucker!) I was planning to use 'Type' to be able to group different creatures, such as Aquatic, Fliers, Natural, etc... but as I dig deeper into the various creatures, I'm seeing that it's very, very hard to split them up in a way that would make sense to someone who just wants to browse a list... we can't very well say "Type: Aquatic, Natural, Predator" and "Type: Flier, Intelligent, Evil", etc, it would end up being too cluttered... unless you can think of anyway to catogorize them in a sensible fashion, I say we just throw that column out... --[[User:SeiferTim|SeiferTim]] 23:22, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

::Hmm. Right now sorting by alignment doesn't mean very much. Perhaps we should split it into a good/neutral/evil column and a benign/neutral/savage column. With what I have now, adding more properties to pull and format won't take much effort. Is there anything else you think we could use? Maybe modvalue? It would be nice if we could have hideable table sections that would have other misc properties to sort by. Without that I guess we need to stick to those common to most creatures. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 01:52, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

::: It looks great! I'm going to go through and try to add in the missing creature pages. I realized that we could probably use the name of the file to determine the creature type... for example: creature_reptiles, creature_large_tundra, etc, could drop the "creatures_", and convert the remaining "_" into spaces... I don't know that it would be particularly necessary... --[[User:SeiferTim|SeiferTim]] 16:23, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

=== Magma Creatures ===

We really need a page just listing all the magma creatures and vermin. --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 22:52, 4 November 2008 (EST)

:[[Fire imp]], [[fire man]], [[magma man]], [[fire snake]]. That's it, according to the raws.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:48, 5 November 2008 (EST)

:: Think I should list that under the [[magma]] page. I was trying to search for "magma creature" and found nothing. --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 19:32, 5 November 2008 (EST)

:::Sounds good to me.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 23:34, 5 November 2008 (EST)

== Creation ==

Is there any way for you to make your own creatures for use in the game? You like messing around with the files and stuff? I really want to make Triffid you know from 'Day of the Triffids' [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 11:52, 9 May 2008 (EDT)Hoborobo
:You can try the [[Modding Guide]]. [[User:Hex Decimal|Hex Decimal]] 12:36, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

== Spawning ==

is there anything about how creatures spawn naturally out in the "wild"?
like if you hunt too much of them they will go extinct or disappear
but if you leave them alone, more will be available or something?--[[User:Seaneat|Seaneat]] 13:33, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

== Named creatures ==

I think it should be noted that any creature that kills a dwarf receives a specific name. I noticed this a while back when wolves would kill my marksn00bs. My friend also concluded that this might be the case (All the elephants in his fortress had names. ;-) --[[User:PrettyGrizzly|PrettyGrizzly]] 05:46, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

:Yes, this can happen in both fortress and adventure mode. I guess hunters often give nicknames to dangerous/well-known animals that have been harassing local citizens. Note that your own wolves can get names as well. Also, I think that mass killings will cause even more names to appear, and possibly even a nickname as well? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:36, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
::They don't appear to need to even be dangerous. I have quite the colony of cave swallowmen sharing the chasm with me, none of them have interrupted/attacked my dwarfs, but after about two seasons (right after the first dwarven caravan left) I got a whole swath of "The dwarves have given a resident Cave Swallowman the name ...". [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 12:01, 13 November 2008 (EST)

== Tamed Dangerous Creatures? ==

If you train a dangerous creature like a Tiger or alligator or Megabeast will they help you defend your fortress?

:I believe tamed creatures will attempt to run from danger, just like civilian dwarves, although I expect they'll fight to defend themselves if cornered. Trained creatures (e.g. War dogs) will attack, though. However, IIRC only dogs can be war trained at the moment. I believe it's possible to mod any creature to be trainable though - probably a simple operation if you learn the basics. [[User:MMad|MMad]] 17:57, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes but on the wiki page for creatures it says that tiger's will help defend the fortress, and I can't really imagine a hydra running from a kobold archer...

== Missing Creatures pages ==

Several creatures lack even a basic page, leaving their entry red-linked. This includes such interesting monsters as gremlins and nightwings. Would any enterprising editors that know their way around the raw files be interested in creating these pages and filling them with the basic information? [[User:MMad|MMad]] 17:57, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

== healing rates ==

is there anywhere that says how long it takes for a creature to heal? my poor marksdwarf managed to inflict some slight injuries to an iron man before the iron man beat the marksdwarf to pulp ... is the iron man gonna get better or not?

my postscript is, novices with obsidian short swords seemed more effective than marksdwarves against the iron man.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 23:27, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

== The dwarves have given a resident Cave Swallowman the name Ducim Isethilral. ==
They can do that now? What gives? Someone explain me. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:19, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
:Basically, any creature near your fortress that is suitably badass can be given a name by the Dwarfs. For example, if the creature in question has a high kill count or something similarly infamous. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 09:12, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
::But these cave swallowmen did nothing. Just flew 'round. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:38, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
:::He may be a historical badass, was he named on embark or have you been there for a while before it happened? Perhaps [[Urist]] just likes him for his coloration. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 20:24, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
::::I'll have to check the preferences of my original seven dwarves, then. I was there for like about 3/4 of a year before they were all named. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 20:37, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
:::::As per my new comment above, it seems that dwarves may just decide to name wild creatures that don't migrate in and off site after a few seasons. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 12:10, 13 November 2008 (EST)

== Value of creatures ==

I'm rather sure the value of caged creatures must have something to do with it's modvalue. However, I don't see it stated clearly anywhere. Anyone help? (Probably a good thing to add to the page)

== Metamorphosis ==

This is rather weird. I had 7 elks on my map when I started, just by the (frozen) brook (I remember for sur because I looked them up). I dig out stuff, make stockpiles, start to build farms and then I look around the brook again. At exactly the same spot, there is now 7 two-humped camels.
No more elks on my map, at all (also checked on the units page). What the hell? For the info, my game isn't modded at all and I didn't leave the game meanwhile. Is it possible for wild animals to leave the map or am I facing some supernatural metamorphosis/bug here? Do elks become two-humped camels when they lose their horns lol?
It's rather annoying because it seems elks are less violent then camels.

I have had animals come and go, so I am pretty sure that this is a normal happening. the number is probably just a coincidence. also, sign your posts with -- ~ ~ ~ ~ (without the spaces) --[[User:Destor|Destor]] 19:46, 5 November 2008 (EST)

40d Talk:Creatures

2008-11-13T17:01:30Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Named creatures */

===Here kitty!===
What are the triggers for semi- and megabeasts? Is there any way to encourage them? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:47, 11 November 2007 (EST)

:Pretty sure semimegabeasts don't attack in fortress mode. Don't know what triggers megabeasts in this version. On my current fort, I saw my first (a hydra) after 100 pop, don't know if that's the trigger or if it was just a coincidence.

::Megabeasts used to attack based on your total fortress value. Semi-megabeasts are found in caves and such. --[[User:Nitem4re|Nitem4re]] 17:23, 13 November 2007 (EST)

== Reason for ordering? ==

Is there any particular reason why these aren't alphabetised? --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 17:20, 5 March 2008 (EST)
: You could put each group of creatures into a table, such as:
{| style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0;background:#F9F9F9;border:1px #AAA solid;border-collapse:collapse;" class="wikitable sortable"
|- style="background:#F2F2F2;text-align:center;"
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Name!!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Biome
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Dog]]||style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Common domestic
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Rhesus macaque]]||style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Temperate shrubland, Temperate savanna, Temperate grassland
|}

If this is acceptable, I can begin changing them to use this format (perhaps a template would be useful?). --[[User:SeiferTim|SeiferTim]] 13:53, 7 March 2008 (EST)

== Page Cleanup ==

Okay, so I've begun a mission to clean up the creatures page. So far, I made a couple of templates for the sortable table, and I've started converting the currently existing lists into tables. Phase II will be to alphabetize the tables.
Would it make sense to change the way the creatures are categorized? It seems less helpful (at least to me) to have them grouped by Neutral, Benign, Evil, etc, then to group them by type or biome?

For example, would it be better to have the table look like this:

=== Natural ===
{| style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0;background:#F9F9F9;border:1px #AAA solid;border-collapse:collapse;" class="wikitable sortable"
|- style="background:#F2F2F2;text-align:center;"
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Symbol
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Name
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Type
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Size
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Biome
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" |
{| style="border-spacing: 0; background: black; padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid white; margin: 0.1em auto"
|-
! style="font-size: 200%; background: #000;padding: 0.1em 0.25em;color:{{COLOR:6:0:0}};" | d
|}
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Dog]]
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Benign
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|5
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|None
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" |
{| style="border-spacing: 0; background: black; padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid white; margin: 0.1em auto"
|-
! style="font-size: 200%; background: #000; padding: 0.1em 0.25em;color:{{COLOR:0:0:1}};" | r
|}
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Large rat]]
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Neutral
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|4
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Chasm
|}

=== Aquatic ===
{| style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0;background:#F9F9F9;border:1px #AAA solid;border-collapse:collapse;" class="wikitable sortable"
|- style="background:#F2F2F2;text-align:center;"
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Symbol
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Name
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Type
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Size
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Biome
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" |
{| style="border-spacing: 0; background: black; padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid white; margin: 0.1em auto"
|-
! style="font-size: 200%; background: #000;padding: 0.1em 0.25em;color:{{COLOR:1:0:0}};" | c
|}
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Coelacanth]]
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Benign
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|6
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Tropical ocean
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" |
{| style="border-spacing: 0; background: black; padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid white; margin: 0.1em auto"
|-
! style="font-size: 200%; background: #000; padding: 0.1em 0.25em;color:{{COLOR:7:0:0}};" | ~
|}
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Eel conger|Eel, conger]]
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Benign
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|7
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Arctic ocean, Temperate ocean
|}

=== Amphibious ===
{| style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0;background:#F9F9F9;border:1px #AAA solid;border-collapse:collapse;" class="wikitable sortable"
|- style="background:#F2F2F2;text-align:center;"
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Symbol
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Name
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Type
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Size
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Biome
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" |
{| style="border-spacing: 0; background: black; padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid white; margin: 0.1em auto"
|-
! style="font-size: 200%; background: #000;padding: 0.1em 0.25em;color:{{COLOR:7:0:0}};" | C
|}
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Cave crocodile]]
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Predator
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|10
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Subterranean water
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" |
{| style="border-spacing: 0; background: black; padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid white; margin: 0.1em auto"
|-
! style="font-size: 200%; background: #000; padding: 0.1em 0.25em;color:{{COLOR:2:0:0}};" | f
|}
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Frogman]]
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Predator
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|5
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Subterranean water
|}
--[[User:SeiferTim|SeiferTim]] 04:50, 8 March 2008 (EST)
:Perhaps it would be easier to automatically convert the raw data to wikitext than do this all by hand. That way we can avoid errors like listing dogs as benign. If you tell me what creature properties and format you want, I can start doing that. Although if you really prefer doing it by hand, I guess that's fine, too. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:48, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
:: If you can do that, it would be a lot easier ;)
The format I have for each row is this:
<nowiki>{{Creature table row|symbol= |color= (format X:0:X) |name= |type= |align= |size= |biome= }}</nowiki>--[[User:SeiferTim|SeiferTim]] 12:13, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
::: Also, I'm curious to know what you would do to convert the raw data... --[[User:SeiferTim|SeiferTim]] 14:38, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
::Wrote a c++ program to do it. What do you mean by type? What values can type have? Also, you can see what it's currently producing [[User:VengefulDonut/r|here]]. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:11, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

::: I haven't used C++ in like 8 years... I've been meaning to brush up on it.... Anyway, I think what you have looks brilliant (and here I was using Copy/Paste like a sucker!) I was planning to use 'Type' to be able to group different creatures, such as Aquatic, Fliers, Natural, etc... but as I dig deeper into the various creatures, I'm seeing that it's very, very hard to split them up in a way that would make sense to someone who just wants to browse a list... we can't very well say "Type: Aquatic, Natural, Predator" and "Type: Flier, Intelligent, Evil", etc, it would end up being too cluttered... unless you can think of anyway to catogorize them in a sensible fashion, I say we just throw that column out... --[[User:SeiferTim|SeiferTim]] 23:22, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

::Hmm. Right now sorting by alignment doesn't mean very much. Perhaps we should split it into a good/neutral/evil column and a benign/neutral/savage column. With what I have now, adding more properties to pull and format won't take much effort. Is there anything else you think we could use? Maybe modvalue? It would be nice if we could have hideable table sections that would have other misc properties to sort by. Without that I guess we need to stick to those common to most creatures. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 01:52, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

::: It looks great! I'm going to go through and try to add in the missing creature pages. I realized that we could probably use the name of the file to determine the creature type... for example: creature_reptiles, creature_large_tundra, etc, could drop the "creatures_", and convert the remaining "_" into spaces... I don't know that it would be particularly necessary... --[[User:SeiferTim|SeiferTim]] 16:23, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

=== Magma Creatures ===

We really need a page just listing all the magma creatures and vermin. --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 22:52, 4 November 2008 (EST)

:[[Fire imp]], [[fire man]], [[magma man]], [[fire snake]]. That's it, according to the raws.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:48, 5 November 2008 (EST)

:: Think I should list that under the [[magma]] page. I was trying to search for "magma creature" and found nothing. --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 19:32, 5 November 2008 (EST)

:::Sounds good to me.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 23:34, 5 November 2008 (EST)

== Creation ==

Is there any way for you to make your own creatures for use in the game? You like messing around with the files and stuff? I really want to make Triffid you know from 'Day of the Triffids' [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 11:52, 9 May 2008 (EDT)Hoborobo
:You can try the [[Modding Guide]]. [[User:Hex Decimal|Hex Decimal]] 12:36, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

== Spawning ==

is there anything about how creatures spawn naturally out in the "wild"?
like if you hunt too much of them they will go extinct or disappear
but if you leave them alone, more will be available or something?--[[User:Seaneat|Seaneat]] 13:33, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

== Named creatures ==

I think it should be noted that any creature that kills a dwarf receives a specific name. I noticed this a while back when wolves would kill my marksn00bs. My friend also concluded that this might be the case (All the elephants in his fortress had names. ;-) --[[User:PrettyGrizzly|PrettyGrizzly]] 05:46, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

:Yes, this can happen in both fortress and adventure mode. I guess hunters often give nicknames to dangerous/well-known animals that have been harassing local citizens. Note that your own wolves can get names as well. Also, I think that mass killings will cause even more names to appear, and possibly even a nickname as well? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:36, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
::They don't appear to need to even be dangerous. I have quite the colony of cave swallowmen sharing the chasm with me, none of them have interrupted/attacked my dwarfs, but after about two seasons (right after the first dwarven caravan left) I got a whole swath of "The dwarves have given a resident Cave Swallowman the name ...". [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 12:01, 13 November 2008 (EST)

== Tamed Dangerous Creatures? ==

If you train a dangerous creature like a Tiger or alligator or Megabeast will they help you defend your fortress?

:I believe tamed creatures will attempt to run from danger, just like civilian dwarves, although I expect they'll fight to defend themselves if cornered. Trained creatures (e.g. War dogs) will attack, though. However, IIRC only dogs can be war trained at the moment. I believe it's possible to mod any creature to be trainable though - probably a simple operation if you learn the basics. [[User:MMad|MMad]] 17:57, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes but on the wiki page for creatures it says that tiger's will help defend the fortress, and I can't really imagine a hydra running from a kobold archer...

== Missing Creatures pages ==

Several creatures lack even a basic page, leaving their entry red-linked. This includes such interesting monsters as gremlins and nightwings. Would any enterprising editors that know their way around the raw files be interested in creating these pages and filling them with the basic information? [[User:MMad|MMad]] 17:57, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

== healing rates ==

is there anywhere that says how long it takes for a creature to heal? my poor marksdwarf managed to inflict some slight injuries to an iron man before the iron man beat the marksdwarf to pulp ... is the iron man gonna get better or not?

my postscript is, novices with obsidian short swords seemed more effective than marksdwarves against the iron man.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 23:27, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

== The dwarves have given a resident Cave Swallowman the name Ducim Isethilral. ==
They can do that now? What gives? Someone explain me. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:19, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
:Basically, any creature near your fortress that is suitably badass can be given a name by the Dwarfs. For example, if the creature in question has a high kill count or something similarly infamous. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 09:12, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
::But these cave swallowmen did nothing. Just flew 'round. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:38, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
:::He may be a historical badass, was he named on embark or have you been there for a while before it happened? Perhaps [[Urist]] just likes him for his coloration. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 20:24, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
::::I'll have to check the preferences of my original seven dwarves, then. I was there for like about 3/4 of a year before they were all named. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 20:37, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

== Value of creatures ==

I'm rather sure the value of caged creatures must have something to do with it's modvalue. However, I don't see it stated clearly anywhere. Anyone help? (Probably a good thing to add to the page)

== Metamorphosis ==

This is rather weird. I had 7 elks on my map when I started, just by the (frozen) brook (I remember for sur because I looked them up). I dig out stuff, make stockpiles, start to build farms and then I look around the brook again. At exactly the same spot, there is now 7 two-humped camels.
No more elks on my map, at all (also checked on the units page). What the hell? For the info, my game isn't modded at all and I didn't leave the game meanwhile. Is it possible for wild animals to leave the map or am I facing some supernatural metamorphosis/bug here? Do elks become two-humped camels when they lose their horns lol?
It's rather annoying because it seems elks are less violent then camels.

I have had animals come and go, so I am pretty sure that this is a normal happening. the number is probably just a coincidence. also, sign your posts with -- ~ ~ ~ ~ (without the spaces) --[[User:Destor|Destor]] 19:46, 5 November 2008 (EST)

40d Talk:Elf

2008-11-13T13:36:30Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Trading */

==Trading==
I have successfuly traded them Silk items in 0.27.169.32a--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 00:01, 4 November 2007 (EDT)

:Thanks for testing it, I removed the verify tag. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 20:43, 4 November 2007 (EST)

I have to wonder why elves wouldn't accept anything made out of wood, when all they want to trade me is animals in wooden cages, and alcohol in wooden barrels and bows and bolts made out of wood...you know what, almost everything they wanted to trade me was made from wood... --[[User:UltimaGecko|UltimaGecko]] 01:32, 4 November 2007 (EDT)

:It's because the elves ask nicely when they take wood from a tree. Dwarves go out and TAKE IT!--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 14:38, 4 November 2007 (EST)

I accidentally tried to trade a wooden bucket with them. The elves scolded me, but still allowed me to trade my stone mugs and scepters. They don't leave straight away anymore.--[[User:Mechturk|Mechturk]] 01:44, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:Ah, I'm glad they're more forgiving now. Fixed. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 02:14, 5 November 2007 (EST)

::I think how they react depends on your broker's social skills, since they sometimes get unpacifiably pissy at me and sometimes only whine mildly. I have on "Anyone may trade".--[[User:Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)|Gandalf the Dwarf (No, really! Look it up!)]] 21:05, 12 November 2008 (EST)

::They may rather be bugged now. There is a bug report that offering them something they don't like will make their mood maximally happy. --[[User:Geekwad|Geekwad]] 14:14, 19 November 2007 (EST)

:::Elfs are stupid. I traded some stone crafts for some of their wooden cages, and then i tryed to trade those same wooden cages back and they get angry at me for killing trees! [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 12:09, 1 December 2007 (EST)

What about flours, syrups and the like? Food? The DO buy prepared meals.--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 00:32, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

I've noticed something new which may just be a coincidence - As I scale back my harvesting of wood from local sources (outside) the elves bring me a larger quantity of wood to trade. If I start chopping trees down for roads, etc. then they bring me less. Anyone else notice this? --[[User:Termitehead|Termitehead]] 08:49, 6 May 2008 (CST)

I accidentally offered an elf some wooden items, and after that the Trade option was disabled even after exiting out of the interface and starting a new trading session. Is that supposed to happen? Seems a little harsh to me... --[[User:Theory|Theory]] 14:12, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

:Yes, that is how it works. If you offer to trade something repugnant to a merchant, they will leave in a huff for that season. Consider how you would react if someone offered to sell you a necklace made of puppy and kitten skulls with sewn images in human leather of elephants slaughtering people while on fire. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 08:36, 13 November 2008 (EST)

== Fortress in Elf Territory ==

I set one up for fun, and so far (1st winter) there's been no effect. The weirdest part is the large number of named trees; I've avoided cutting them down, and the elves haven't bothered me. I've had hunters chase and kill deer right in their midst with no ill effect as well -- it remains to be seen what happens if he misses the deer and hits an elf, though. Will report back when I find something interesting. [[User:Dolohov|Dolohov]] 10:53, 12 November 2007 (EST)

==Pissed-off the elves...==
They seem to be kinda wussy, considering that I confiscated all of their trade caravan's goods (3k in rope reed cloth of various colors and a little bit of alcohol and seeds) and I expected a siege (my fort is in a boring area, and losing is fun) but they won't attack me. I took their junk a season or two ago. When and how will they attack? --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 19:22, 27 November 2007 (EST)

:Elves are wusses now. It's not even known if non-evil races still siege, much less treehugging wusses like elves. -[[User:Kefkakrazy|Kefkakrazy]] 01:09, 28 November 2007 (EST)

::[[Siege]]s from non-evil races have been disabled for now. They'll be back once the war arc is complete. --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 15:10, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

:::I was sieged by humans in I think 39c after a merchant's guild representative was slaughtered by a goblin ambush. [[User:Mingebag|Mingebag]] 01:07, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

==Elves bringing corpses==
The elves usually bring an animal or two in cages to trade, but many times that bring cages full of corpses... It's either all alive, or all corpses. Maybe the animals died in transit? Anybody else have this happen to them?--[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 22:11, 25 December 2007 (EST)

: "It's not dead, it's resting". Er, the humans do this to me too. Pretty sure it's on the known bug list. [[User:Acama|Acama]] 02:17, 30 December 2007 (EST)

:I'm rather certain that if you're in a climate that you can die from exposure, that this is what happens. Have you gotten a shipment of live animals and a shipment of dead ones while at the same site? If not, then this is almost certainly the case. If so, it's possibly a function of a random number and perhaps the extremeness of the climate. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 04:11, 30 December 2007 (EST)

::I seem to recall it being stated that this was due to the caravan passing THROUGH climates where you can die of exposure on the way to your fortress. If the path a civ needs to take runs through freezing or scorching climates, the elves don't give the animals proper temperature care and they die. In contrast, the elves seem to make it through just fine--who knows, maybe the code is slightly different for caravan entities and separate creatures that happen to be carried along with the caravan. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:03, 10 January 2008 (EST)

:I actually prefer this method. I like to trap stuff myself so it makes the cages much cheaper, and the corpse can still be butchered for meat, bones, fat, and skulls. Your butcher will grab the entire cage and take it to the butcher's shop to empty it. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 11:20, 30 December 2007 (EST)

== Elves and Animals ==

Doing some testing with using Elves in fortress mode, it seems that they will NOT be attacked by animals. Do you think we might go as far as to write in this page that [NATURAL]creatures will not attack elves? [[User:Zonk|Zonk]] 11:57, 9 January 2008 (EST)

== Elven warnings ==

The elves just warned me about cutting too many trees... I didn't realize that was still in. --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 17:23, 27 February 2008 (EST)

== Elven traders ==

I have read that if the human caravans are attacked too many times, that the humans will wage war on you. I have also read that if you cut down too many trees, the elves will wage war on you. But if you let the elven traders die, will they also wage war on you? --[[User:Wafl|Wafl]] 22:14, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

:Don't think so, elves got ambushed by gobbies one year and I did nothing to help them. Accidentally saved one of the traders, though, but he starved to death. --[[User:Gh3yz0r|Gh3yz0r]] 19:17, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

==Blood Covering?==

I have sold some items with blood covering with no negative effects... can anyone confirm if it's true or not? [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 04:55, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

I cannot say firsthand, but I've heard in the forums and, I think, elsewhere in the Wiki that blood covering angers the elves.--[[User:RustyMcloon|Rusty Mcloon]] 23:24, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

== Speaking with Halfmen ==

What exactly is the tag that lets you speak with snakemen, ratmen, etcetera? I haven't been able to figure it out as of yet, and I want to add it to a creature I'm making.

In addition, adding the [AT_PEACE_WITH_WILDLIFE] tag didn't stop wolves and bears from ambushing and attacking me; so judging from this that is not the tag that makes them 'immune' to attacks; either that, or the wolves/bears and other large predators ignore that tag. ~ [[User:Midna|Midna]] 15:59, 14 May 2008 (EDT) (Edited later due to forgetting to add nametag)

Animalmen are no longer wildlife in 39e, so they're hostile to elves. Someone should edit the article to express this. --[[User:Neoskel|Neoskel]] 21:40, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

== Elves as of .39c ==

I feel the Elves went under a pretty big overhaul in the latest version. They've turned into tree huggers who do little else but complain, to zerging cannibals who dominate worlds when given enough time. Also little things, like Elves regrowing trees around captured sites, in addition to the aforementioned personality changes, may warrant it's own section, and/or editing.

== Elven Ambushes ==

While they may not seige, They do preform Ambushes.

And I noticed something quite strange...

They ambushed with Mounts. I saw a swarm of Unicorns heading torwards my location. There where no unicorns on my map, so I sent my military to meet them, and when battle was engaged, it said "An Ambush!" And, for each Unicorn, there was also an elf (on the same square)

I'm not sure where to put this in the article though. I've been ambushed by non-mounted elves several times as well. Maybe a new section "Amubsh/Seige habits?"

:I've seen Elves ambush on unicorns too (version 0.28.181.39e), and they had no qualms about slaughtering the puppies I had tied to chains outside -[[User:Namako|Namako]] 14:09, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

== Elven Trading as of Latest Version ==

It seems to me that the elves are much, much more tolerant than before as to what items they will accept. So far I've successfully given them leather, bone, and shell crafts just fine. I have also tried offering them the same branch of items, and they will happily accept them. They even accept items that have blood on them. They will still reject pure wooden goods.
I haven't fully tested skulls, soap, or other animal byproducts yet. But if I were to hazard a guess, I would say they still will reject any item that has wood involved in it's creation, or any item with decorations of wood.
[[User:Lightning4|Lightning4]] 09:37, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

== How do I kill elves? ==

I don't like elves in my fortress and I would like to kill them with my thirty axedwarfs, how would I go about doing this? – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:TheLastBarber|TheLastBarber]]

:You can only attack people who have come to your fortress with ill intent. Anger them enough (cut down trees, take their stuff, involve their merchants in unfortunate "accidents", etc.) and they should send forces to attack you, whereupon you can finally take joy in the slaughter. --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 15:39, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

::You can also kill Elves that have gone insane, but that would require imprisoning them for a considerable length of time.--[[User:Stryc9fuego|Stryc9fuego]] 14:08, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

== Last edit ==

I've have heard extensive talking about how elves eat the dead. A note to this effect was removed in the last update, can anyone confirm/deny this behavior? [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 18:45, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
: No civ creature will eat the dead unless it's acceptable or such in entity_default.txt. --[[User:Squeegy|Squeegy]] 20:59, 3 November 2008 (EST)
::EAT_SAPIENT_KILL is the (a) relevant tag, right? That's acceptable for elves. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 00:40, 4 November 2008 (EST)

::: While scrolling through Legends mode, I noticed that there are only a handful of reasons why wars occur, and one of those reasons is cannibalism, or more accurately, "One of the most significant causes of the conflict was a dispute over the devouring of sapient beings." So perhaps the elven cannibal stories are only by-products of the historical conflict-basis generator? --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 20:02, 4 November 2008 (EST)

40d Talk:Strange mood

2008-11-11T19:23:54Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* What Workshop? */

Does the new version still have the strange mood? It wouldnt be complete without it!

:It still exists, I've had it happen several times now, I went to the archive wiki and copy/pasted the old page.

::Isnt that why the wiki was nuked? To make sure that no old info lingers? Ill put some "verify" in there, I dont think that the bold text is enough for users to understand that some of this may no longer apply. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 06:03, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::I agree. Although moods themselves don't seem to have been changed in this version, the changes to the stones/ores that they use means that some of the information in this article is no longer true. I'll have a go at cleaning it up when I have the proper time for it, but this wiki definitely needs a 'no copypasting from the archives' rule to avoid screwups like this. If people are going to copypaste old stuff, then it is downright irresponsible of them not to verify the accuracy of the information before committing it to the wiki. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]]

I know, I was a huge fan of that little strange aspect of the old one.

I need my dwarfs to make more swordfish bone swords, and i still need some glass weapons/armor

The moods seem to have changed. One of my dwarfs went fey, made a nice hematite mug, and is now a legendary... Engraver. Very wierd, he also had no stoneworking or other craftdwarf skills. But he was a competent mason. This was also my fifth dwarf who took the same craftworkshop, so it's a bit strange. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 17:36, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Six fey dwarf, all took the craftdwarfshop, now my bowyer took one. Think it might be a bug. Is the 15 artifacts limit still in? --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:34, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:: Whohoo my second legendary engraver made a gold mug. My bowyer became a legendary engraver. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:40, 8 November 2007 (EST)
::: Scratch all that, one of my woodworkers just used a carpenters shop. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 07:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:Have you marked all statements in the article that risks being falsified with <nowiki>{{verify}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 19:41, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Hey, I am getting a dwarf who wants "raw...crystal". Help? -- [[User:Bovinepro|Bovinepro]]
:Probably wants raw crystal glass. I had a dwarf ask for "raw...green", they wanted raw green glass. Looks like Toady might have moved the glass demands out of the "rough...color" category. [[User:Iddq?|Iddq?]]

About the engravers taking over craftdwarf's shops and becoming legendary engravers afterwards is quite true. I recently got a bunch of immigrants, and the engraver that came with them fell into a strange mood before even crossing the bridge on my river. He took over a craftdwarf's workshop and made a basalt scepter, and now he's legendary level in engraving. So yeah, perfect laboratory conditions, he was 100% engraver when he went into his mood and came out a legendary engraver. --[[User:Zhang5|Zhang5]] 17:07, 12 November 2007 (EST)

It seems that no craft skill is required. I just had a peasant go into a strange mood. His skills were: competent marksdwarf; novice wrestler; novice armor wearer. He grabbed a craftsdwarf's workshop and 10 items (3xFelsite, Schorls, Tigereyes, Red Beryls, Giant cave swallow leather, Grizzly Bear Leather, Rough harlequin opals and Ash logs -- guess he has expensive taste?) and churned out an idol in relatively short order. This is my 9th successful mood in this fortress, and I've seen requests for between 3 and 10 items, personally. Since they seem to be increasing in complexity, I've either hit the item cap, or I'm about to break ten :) [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 16:34, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:This is consistent with older versions. Moody peasants would become crafters, and 10 items was the cap. The minimum was 1 item -- generally when constructing a "perfect gem".--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:55, 19 November 2007 (EST)

I had a miner go into a strange mood, take over a mason's workshop, and make a something that got him up to legendary miner status. In my current fort, I have had 6 artifacts made, 2 of which were actual moods and 5 of which were possessions (I can add, one of them failed and the dwarf became a babbling wreck). My dwarves love to use only one item: an oak door (1 item), an olivine coffin (2 items), a turtle shell mask (1 item and is my cheapest artifiact at 3600), a diorite amulet (3 items), and a perfect jelly opal (1 item). --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 18:47, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Where to add the info that in my game (.33c) a miner took over a mason's workshop, became legendary miner and then held the artifact in his right hand instead of a pick, which became 'hauled', then droped the pick and then took the pick with his left hand? He can mine after all these. While holding a 667 weight units cabinet in his right hand. --[[User:Another|Another]] 10:07, 1 December 2007 (EST)

I had dwarf Miller, profecienty Grower who had Fey Mood, and he became a Legendary Mason ....
Is it normal ? [[user:Feydreva|Feydreva]]

One of my dwarves has become possessed and is demanding cloth, bones and stone, which I have plenty of. But he refuses to go fetch them. Is there something I'm doing wrong?—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Patarak|Patarak]] ([[User talk:Patarak|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Patarak|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}
: They want either silk or fiber cloth. Make sure you have both! [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 03:40, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Aargh! One of my dwarves went secretive and is demanding a huge list of stuff. He seems to be demanding two types of stone because the "sketches quarry" message stays on twice as long as the others. I have (and he has gathered) flint: is there any way to tell what kind of stone he wants? --[[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 011:55, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I had a Glassmaker that sat around when I had a lot of Magma Glass Furnaces, but then decided to get going when I made a regular Glass Furnace. Seems like they will only use a specific kind. Not sure yet if it's random. Might be they won't take the Magma Glass Furnace in version 38a. Can anyone verify? --[[User:Afbee|Afbee]] 05:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

: My Glassmaker successfully used Magma Glass Furnace in a fey mood. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 07:54, 24 February 2008 (EST)
:: I just had the same problem. I had a glass maker who wouldn't take over a magma glass furnace. Since I'm creating a glass fortress and had a mess of glass orders piled up, I thought that might have confused the AI and I built 2 more magma glass furnaces. No dice, he didn't want them. After reading this page I decided to create a normal glass furnace. He snapped it up as soon as it was built. --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 04:07, 9 November 2008 (EST)

==Maximum number of artifacts==
Well, I just got my umpteenth mood, and it resulted in the 16th successfully created artifact.(33b) So that 15 cap thing is clearly wrong. As it happens, this single artifact is worth 754,800, and is an adamantine spear decorated with, among other things, adamantine. For the record, in case this data is important to someone tabulating number of ingredients, my moods in order created the following objects using the corresponding number of ingredients: (Flute, 4; Mechanism, 4; Spear, 3; Millstone, 6; Ring, 8; Chest, 7; Cape, 7; Ring, 9; Statue, 8; Idol, 10; earring, 8; Buckler, 8; Table, 3; Mechanism, 10; Bracelet, 5; and Spear, 8). [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:54, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Do fell/macabre moods still exist? I haven't seen any for quite a few versions. It'd be nice to have that verified.—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rabek|Rabek]] ([[User talk:Rabek|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rabek|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}

== clarification on "trade" skills ==

Are trade skills all the skills that produce items with some level of quality? Mainly I want to know if dyer is a trade skill. And how does that work with miner? I didn't think miner was a trade skill. Maybe someone who knows more than me could clarify in the wiki.
I just got my first artifact. It's worth 2400. The dwarf took one log and made a scepter. -[[User:Radtse|Radtse]]

:I don't know exactly, we should make a list of the skills we know are not trade skills. I'll start: my brewer/grower once got a strange mood and made a wood item and gained woodcrafting skill. Let's try to only add to the list when we have experienced a moody dwarf with that skill only.--[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 19:36, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::I'm adding Weaver and Furnace Operator to this list, since they're on the wiki. I haven't seen them myself, but I'm assuming someone else has. Knowing that Furnace Operator is a "fey-able" skill will be quite helpful.-[[User:Radtse|Radtse]] 18:28, 29 December 2007 (EST)

:::Where's cooking fit in? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 20:09, 6 January 2008 (EST)

List of non-trade skills:

* [[Brewer]]
* [[Grower]]
* [[Miller]]
* [[Wood Cutter]]

Skills that may be used and gained by dwarves with no trade skills:

* [[Wood crafter]]
* [[Stone crafter]]

Skills that use a different skill(See list above), but give correct skill:

* [[Miner]]
* [[Engraver]]
* [[Furnace Operator]]
* [[Weaver]]

:::For the record, i can confirm both Furnace Operator and Weaver, since no one else has commented to verify them thus far. (The weaver actually surprised me when it happened). --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:43, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:::I can confirm that a Miner will claim a Mason's shop, and produce a stone item, even with no Mason skill at all. It works just like the wiki says. --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 23:47, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

:::And I can confirm that Wood Cutter does not contribute -- I had a Novice Glassmaker/No Prefix Wood Cutter take a glass furnace. [[User:Slitherrr|Slitherrr]] 13:48, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

== mood condition ==
The 20 dwarves / no crazy stuff has been found while looking at the binary of v0.27.169.33d, might be different now, but i don't think so. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 15:08, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Regarding the calulations for required maximum existing artifacts (items/200 and dugout/(48*48)) wouldn't it make more sense to either use the squared symbol, or the actual result of that square (which was the original number actually discovered/revealed I believe)? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:17, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:<sup>2</sup> --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 21:28, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

:20 dorf must be still there. I've made low-population fort and I had no mood for ~8 years (from start). I'm sure that I've digged at least 2700 tiles and created at least 300 items. I will test if raising population to 20 will cause moods. I think that 20 dwarf limit should be mentioned even if it's not confirmed. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 18:30, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

== Random Workshop Seizure ==

I just had a gem cutter seize a carpenter's workshop and make a perfect gem; upon completion I had a worthless Legendary dwarf and a new jeweler's workshop, so I guess that's still in from the previous version. I've removed the verify in the article. [[User:Tacroy|Tacroy]] 16:51, 9 January 2008 (EST)

:nonsense. Should be a bigger chance of making ZOMG high-quality gem crafts now ;) --[[User:Frostedfire|Frostedfire]] 07:35, 18 February 2008 (EST)

::More to the point, if you don't like the profession your dwarf has Legendary in...draft for the stats! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:16, 18 February 2008 (EST)

== forbidden items ==

Do moody dwarfs use forbidden items? Will they demand forbid items? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 02:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

:I don't know whether moody dwarves will use forbidden items (my guess would be they won't). But they don't choose the demands based on what is on the map, they can and do demand things you don't have. So it's safe to assume forbidding doesn't prevent dwarves from demanding the forbidden kind of item. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 16:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

::Forbidden items are not used. Similarly, if your mooder slipped in e.g. an iron bar when you wanted him to use a platinum bar, you can forbid AND dump the item to stop him from using it. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 16:35, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

== Impossible Requests? ==
Will dwarves try to use items that you just don't have access to? I had a dwarf asking for silk when I haven't imported any and I'm pretty sure there isn't a giant spider anywhere. Also asking for "rocks" when I have mined at least one of each type of rock that is visible (requiring rocks from unmined areas seem pretty harsh). Also a request for "metal bars" when I have smeltered at least one of each ore I have found and made at least one of each possible alloy. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 23:27, 26 February 2008 (EST)
:Yeah, impossible stuff is all my dwarves ever want. :-P Right now mine appears to want stone I don't have, and no traders have come by with any stone.... So my guys are frantically mining in various directions.... [[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 13:59, 7 March 2008 (EST)

::As far as i can tell they never request anything it is truly impossible for you to get. Available by trade seems to imply possible for the game engine though. Too bad if its the start of winter (which is when all my moods which require things I don't have and can't produce happen, of course). But if there's no sand on your map at all you will not be asked for glass, since you can't trade for sand. (If there's 5 tiles of sand under that underground lake you haven't found yet... sucks to be you - my first fortress lost 3 dwarves to this). So yes, requiring things present on the map that you haven't found yet appears to be possible and routine. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:48, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

== Procastinator! ==

I just had a moody dwarf demand bones, wood, rocks, and cloth.

He got the rocks okay, and then did nothing for ages. Then, as soon as the fire imp corpse rotted away, he ran down and got the bones, then ran over to my wood stockpile and got a piece of wood...

Do they need to get their ingredients in order now?--[[User:Shadow archmagi|Shadow archmagi]] 06:28, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:i think so, not that it matters, he wont start unless he has ALL the ingridents.

== gems ==
My moody dwarf asked for 2 kinds of rough gems, but i had cut all rough ones at that point. So i "printed out" all layers and started checking for leftover gems in the walls. Guess what, he picked the first 2 kinds i mined. So either

* random/pure luck (don't think so)
* they only ask what they "see"
* they only ask what is somehow on the map
* or they might even adapt somewhat to availability, but i doubt that. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 15:59, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

:I believe, but don't know for sure, that sometimes they want specific items and sometimes they just want anything in a category of items, such as any rough gems in this case. It used to work that way in the 2d version, didn't it? --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 12:23, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
::Confirming behaviour that BahamutZERO sees. Dwarves will '''always''' grab the closest object that falls under the category unless he is requesting a specific metal, specific silk, or specific plant fiber cloth. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:25, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Just standing around? ==

I have a dwarf who was possessed, but won't leave the main hall. He's also a novice in everything, but to be safe I've already cleared the shops. It's winter of my first year, but somehow I've already had 2 waves of immigrants. Back to the point, I'm afraid he's going to wait out the mood and go berserk. Help?
--[[User:Ilmmad|Ilmmad]] 20:00, 6 March 2008 (EST)
:Well, make sure u ve got one workshop of every possible kind available - there are however quite a few u dont need to build, its covered in the article. Check for locked doors or otherwise blocked access (bridges, channels, statues..) Dont forget furnaces, glass and magma. Check with 'q' if all workshops are completely build. If it doesnt help consider building workshops not related to his skills, or more "exotic" ones, like Ashery or Alchemist. No one can guarantee that Toady didnt have some new fun ideas ;) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:59, 6 March 2008 (EST)

== stark raving suicide ==

My mechanic wanted silk cloth, which I didn't have, and eventually gone insane ("stark raving mad" to be precise).
Seconds after that I had message that he died in heat (I had artificial magma pool nearby).
He probably jumped into the pool like in melancholy. Main article states that only melancholic dwarves kill themselves in such way.
Could anyone confirm that mad ones do that too, and this wasn't just an accident/bug? [[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 16:59, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

:Perhaps it ''was'' an accident -- I seem to recall that "stark raving mad" ones wander around at random. Perhaps it wandered into the lava. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 18:30, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

::It was an accident, the stark raving mad ones wander around aimlessly, regardless of Z- levels. --[[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 12:53, 9 November 2008 (EST)

== Glassmaker with no glass ==

I had an immigrant glassworker get a mood, seize a glass workshop, and created an artifact made entirely of gemstones. No glass involved or asked for. (No sand on the map, anyway.) He turned into a Legendary Glassworker, despite having never made a glass anything.

== Rewrite ==

I think I got most of the old information and then some into the new article. Please make any necessary modifications. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 01:22, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

== Silk Cloth ==

I had a dwarf demand silk cloth, but he refused to use my giant cave spider silk cloth. I didn't have any regular cave spider silk cloth. To verify that the silk was the problem, I used Companion to change the silk demand to any stone, and he immediately collected the rest of the materials and constructed the artifact.
Can anyone else confirm that giant cave spider silk cloth does '''not''' count as silk cloth? --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:55, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:No, I'm pretty sure I can't. I've seen a dwarf grab GCS silk. Could it be that you had thread and not cloth? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 13:59, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::Nope, giant cave spider cloth [3] sorted under cloth on the stock screen. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 16:52, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Probably they may specifically require GCS silk or specifically require CS silk. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 14:10, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
I figured it out - the silk was outside and I had accidentally left "Dwarves Stay Inside" on after the latest attack. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:52, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Engineer taken by secretive mood, and creates... ==

Evidently engineers who are taken by a secretive mood ("withdraws from society", in case it's later determined that the descriptor has an effect) will have no problems taking over the mechanic's workshop. And there's only one thing mechanic-shops build - that's right, you heard right, ladies and gentlemen, I present ''Kodor ós: A claystone mechanism''. It's even available for use from the appropriate {{k|b}})uild screens. He decided to make this splendid 86,400o creation while on an eight-mechanism binge in that very same mechanic's workshop. Maybe dwarves choose the workshop they've been in the most often? --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

:Ah, actually I can confirm I've had a Mechanic create an artifact mechanism as well. Stick some obsidian swords in that baby and you'll be good to go! That should probably go in the main article for skills vs workshops... I would expect siege engineers also have strange moods, but I imagine pump op and siege op fall under the general craftsman catch-all --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 15:45, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::I'd like to smack BismuthBismuthBismuth with the facts stated in the article.
A dwarf will claim a workshop according to their highest applicable skill
::In this case it was Engineering and therefore your mechanic went to a Mechanic's Workshop. It's the same with the possessed glassmakers. They hit a glassmaker's shop. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:49, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:::I'd like to hit GreyMario-Maria, preferably in the upper-body region, with the fact that at the time of my post, the table in the article did not mention mechanics whatsoever. --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 22:26, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::::Pardon me, but I was not aware that ''mechanics'' worked at a ''mechanic's workshop'', where objects are created that have ''quality mofidiers'' and can thus become ''artifacts''. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:28, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:::::Pardon me as well, but it seems that the table in [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Strange_mood&oldid=25231 this particular revision] did not encapsulate this information. '''GreyMario is throwing a tantrum!''' --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:22, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
::::::Mechanics. Work at a mechanic's workshop. Produce items which have visible quality modifiers. Items with visible quality modifiers are eligible to be artifacts. THEREFORE, mechanics claim mechanic's workshops when they go fey. Seriously, logic sometimes, please? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:30, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
:::::::That would follow if we knew for certain that the proposition "items with visible quality modifiers are eligible to artifacts" is necessarily true. We don't. For instance, siege engine components are not verified as artifact eligible. Since that isn't a given, it's perfectly reasonable for people to not jump to the conclusion that a job type will create artifacts relevant to it until they see it happen. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 16:26, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

i love the absurd randomness factor with artifacts - you end up with really weird stuff. like grates, and socks. a question pertinent to legendary mechanisms - i got a stupidly valuable one of these as the first legendary item in a new fort and i used it to create a gear assembly in a public dining area in the hopes that it would give dwarves happy thoughts, but after a few years gametime of checking randomly on them nothing particular showed up. any particular use along these lines for legendary mechanisms for something other then simple fortress value? --[[User:FruityBix|FruityBix]] 11:51, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
: weapon traps! --[[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 12:03, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
:: FWIW, that might be a more general answer for artifact items... I had a Weaponsmith dwarf go into a strange mood and create a lead warhammer (Yes, there was plenty of steel and iron around, but this dwarf likes lead, I guess). It can't be equipped as a weapon (lead isn't a valid material type normally for constructing weapons) but I can put it into a weapons trap. Which... is basically the only thing I can do with this 65000* artifact... -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 14:37, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
::: Actually, artifact equipment can be used, it just requires a "hero" level dwarf or higher. However, for the nonstandard material weapons and armor you may do well to forbid them so that they're not used. The actual effectiveness of odd material artifacts is supposedly lower than that of decent iron or steel equipment, and artifact equipment cannot be unequipped once a dwarf decides to use it. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 15:36, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

== Tanner fixed ==

I just had a Tanner claim a leather works, not a tannery. I updated the table. For the record, the dwarf has no skill level in leather working.

:I wonder if Tanners even claim Tanner's shops? Tanner's shops just make leather, and leather doesn't have quality modifiers, so you shouldn't be able to produce an artifact from one, aye? That information came from an older version of the page, I wonder if it was inaccurate. Weavers supposed claim Clothier's shops and not Looms, so it would make sense if Tanners were the same way. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 18:08, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== Cooks ==

I can confirm that cooks do not produce artifacts: my Peasant with Dabbling Cook/Brewer/(various social) and nothing else just took over a Craftsdwarf's Workshop. I'm removing the verify tag for cooks in the article. --[[User:Comonad|Comonad]] 16:16, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

mmmm. . . . artifact roast. [[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 19:12, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

== Soapers etc. ==

It stands to reason that soapers, lye makers, and wood burners wouldn't make artifacts. Neither soap, lye, charcoal, nor ash have quality modifiers, and that's all those skills can produce. I'm pretty sure you can't have artifact soap, lye, charcoal, or ash. --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 20:26, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

: My woodburner just got possessed. He wants a shell and wood. I have the shell but I'm not sure what type of wood he wants. --[[User:Ehertlein|Ehertlein]] 20:18, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

== Not all demands need to be met ==

I just had a dwarf taken by a secretive mood and collect a huge variety of things: 4 stone, 1 block, 1 gem, 2 rough gems, bones, a shell, 2 leather. He was further sketching for more bones, 2 leather, another stone, a log, another shell, and raw green glass. The only things I didn't have on hand were the shell and the green glass -- dwarves seem to go through their list in order, and get stuck on certain items.

I just hoped someone would eat a turtle (50/1678 chance!) and queued a raw green glass. When the glass was made, he got started, totally ignoring his previous requests for wood, another shell, and the other things. Anyone else have this experience? [[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 13:28, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

:I think they keep sketching images even after they get the items. Your dwarf already had all of the shells, leather, bones, stones, blocks, and gems he needed. [[User:Curudan|Curudan]] 15:26, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

::This is correct. I've had dwarves run out, grab two items, and then sit at the Workshop shouting a need for three items. When the item he was waiting on became available, he ran out, grabbed it, went back in, and started working. So it's pretty evident that they list ALL of the items they want, regardless of how many of them they've already collected. --[[User:Nekojin|Nekojin]] 22:28, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

== Possession ==

I've had 14 moods in my current Fortress, 11 of them have been possessions. Am I really unlucky, or is the type of mood weighted? [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 09:55, 26 August 2008 (EDT)
: As far as I can tell by looking at the game logic, each mood types are as likely to be rolled (except fell of course, which is selected if happiness<rand(128) or something like that). --[[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 07:56, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
:: I had a feeling I was just getting really unlucky, thanks. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 14:34, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

== Furnace Operator ==

Apparently furnace operator is no longer a mood skill as of df 28 181 40d. I just had a expert furnace operator take over a Craftdwarf's Workshop and become a legendary stonecrafter. [[User:Otherdwarf|Otherdwarf]] 10:26, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

== Chunk Butchery? ==

Well, even though the selection of items for artifacts is totally random, its a bit wierd if a macabre dwarf goes to a butcher's workshop and starts bringing in tons of dwarf CHUNKS! My dwarf just started doing that, should I expect rotting meat (yes, the chunks are already rotten)? - 09:57, 30 October 2008 Stinhad Limarezum
: ^_^ "This is a delicious meat pie. All craftsdwarfship is of the highest quality. On the item is an image of a dwarf and dwarves in rotting dwarf chunks. The dwarf is baking the other dwarves into meat pies. The artwork relates to the rise of the dwarf butcher Sweeney Todd as the cook of The Fleet Street in 78" -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 11:11, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

:Oh, ''do'' post the description of the artifact when the dwarf completes it. ("Menaces with spikes of dwarf chunk?" I'd be intimidated for sure.)--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 13:18, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

== What Workshop? ==

Is there any way to discover what workshop a dwarf in a secretive mood requires? I had nearly everything. I built a siege workshop and a bowery before I ran out of ideas and he went beserk. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 10:55, 3 November 2008 (EST)

:You have to look at what skills he has first and rule out the obvious. If he has no mood-able skills then it's going to be a craftsdwarf's workshop. If you have hit magma and he wants a forge or glass furnace, he will insist on the magma version of that workshop. Finally, maybe one of your existing workshops was inaccessible or you accidentally [[forbid]] it at some point. If none of that works, I'm out of ideas too.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 13:01, 3 November 2008 (EST)
::I have a functioning magma glass furnace and I had to build a normal glass furnace when my glass maker became secretive. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 14:23, 11 November 2008 (EST)

== Possessed Child ==

I have a child that has become possessed and taken over one of my craft workshops (of course). He is muttering the following: rough color, leather skin, bone yes, stone rock, cloth thread, blocks bricks, and a shell. He has already acquired the following: turtle bones, donkey bones [4], microcline blocks, turtle shell, rough pink garnets, dog leather, carp leather, and hematite. I have plenty of all the things that he's already gathered, so I'm assuming that he doesn't need anymore of those items. That leaves the thread. I have turned off my auto-loom a while ago so that I would keep the thread around for artifacts. I currently have plenty of plant thread (4 pig tail and 14 rope reed) and enough spider silk (5). What I don't have is giant spider silk. I have confirmed that the child has access to all these items, including the thread which I have piles next to his workshop. Still he doesn't start construction.

Can any help? Is there a difference for artifact creation between regular cave spider silk and giant cave spider silk? ---[[User:Frewfrux|Frewfrux]]

:Do you have both silk and plant cloth available? (Not just thread.) And do you see any specific cloth preferences in his thoughts and preferences screen?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:32, 6 November 2008 (EST)

::Argh. I bet that's it. No silk cloth, just thread. I have had guys go crazy for lack of thread before, so I never make silk cloth, just kept the thread. Oh well, the child is now melancholy. I can re-load and see what would happen if I make the thread into cloth. Maybe I'll test that out. ---[[User:Frewfrux|Frewfrux]]

::: Wouldn't you be able to solve this problem by only weaving dyed thread? Then you'll always have some thread waiting to be dyed. --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 03:04, 6 November 2008 (EST)

40d Talk:Baron

2008-11-11T14:58:35Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Peasant King */

I've had a Baron (and Hammerer and Tax Collector) arrive when my population was exactly 80 and when my population was capped in the init.txt file at 80. I'm confident that the requirement of 100 people is wrong. [[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 13:07, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Likewise, my current fortress has 134 people and 1.5M in created wealth, but no baron. I'm reasonably certain this must be some sort of weighted random arrival. --[[User:Sebbekai|Sebbekai]] 18:22, 6 January 2008 (EST)

== Oops, I killed the consort ==

The consort was making mandates I could not satisfy, so he had to go. This has caused some kind of problem though... my fortress will not upgrade to a county so I can get the king. I am considering killing my baroness as well, and attempting to reset the whole situation. Any suggestions? --[[User:Wafl|Wafl]] 01:15, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

:Kiilll them! Kiiilll them! Kiiilllll them alllll! --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:52, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

== Hammerer and tax collector ==

Do the hammerer and tax collector always arrive along with the Baron? --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 18:26, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

I Don't think that its Always the case but it seems to frequently be the case for me; all of my forts that I allow nobles they tend to show up together. --Silver

==Peasant King==

I got the [[King]] as a peasant due to discovering [[Adamantine]]. I don't appear to be getting a Baron, tax collector, hammerer or a royal guard. Is this a bug? -[[User:Rushyo|Rushyo]] 21:54, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
:The peasant king happens independently of other nobles in my experience. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 09:58, 11 November 2008 (EST)

== Minimum Exported Wealth? ==

Im pretty sure there's gotta be a Minimum exported wealth for the baron to arrive, I satisfy all the other conditions, and have over 1.6 million created wealth, 163 dwarves, and my dwarves do well over the job requirements. However, I as of now, only have 30426 Exported wealth. --[[User:OmegaX|OmegaX]] 16:13, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Duke arrived at 32435 exported wealth. No baron yet. --[[User:OmegaX|OmegaX]] 00:37, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

:That's because the Duke is an 'upgraded' version of the count, which is an 'upgraded' version of the baron. Once you have a Duke, you won't ever get a Baron. [[User:Spoggerific|Spoggerific]] 17:31, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

== share rooms? ==

does the baron and his consort share a room? or do I need to make an extra pair of tombs/dining rooms/bedrooms? --[[User:Destor|Destor]] 17:14, 10 November 2008 (EST)

:Yup, consorts demand all their own rooms, and neither will be happy if you try to cram them together. The only room that doesn't need to be doubled up is the office/throne room, since the Consort doesn't conduct diplomacy. --[[User:Navian|Navian]] 21:41, 10 November 2008 (EST)

40d:Goblin

2008-11-07T17:40:17Z

HeWhoIsPale:

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biome=
* In their towers and dark fortresses
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'''Goblins''' are intelligent [[humanoid]] [[creatures]] that live in dark fortresses in the [[mountain]]s. They are primarily interested in killing [[Dwarf|dwarves]]. They will [[siege]] any sufficiently populous or wealthy fortress, and frequently employ [[troll]]s in their armies to destroy [[door]]s and other [[building]]s.

Occasionally, one or more goblin "snatchers" may arrive if you have [[child]]ren in your fortress. They are stealthy like [[kobold]]s. Detecting them is announced by "Snatcher! Protect the children!". They will attempt to kidnap any children they come across and carry a [[bag]] with them for this purpose. After a few attempts goblin master [[thief|thieves]] will start showing up – besides being generally more competent, these can also evade [[trap]]s. There is also a small chance of getting the goblin ruler with these thieves, if he is a thief himself. Toady stated in a [[Developer interviews|RPPR interview]] that these children will be raised by the goblins and can eventually show up in future goblin armies.

Independent of this goblins will [[ambush]] your fortress, sending squads of different soldier types. Later, the sieges begin: your primary adversary in an invasion, goblin numbers increase every year once they start attacking, and eventually begin besieging your fortress more than once a year. Fortunately, they are not very bright, and will walk into traps by the hundreds. They may sometimes come riding [[beak dog]]s as cavalry.

Goblins carry somewhat valuable gear. They often wear [[giant cave spider]] [[silk]] [[cloth]]ing, [[iron]] [[armor]], even [[steel]] armor (that can be melted down) and steel [[weapon]]s. Crossbowmen will carry dwarf-usable [[bolt]]s. Goblin clothing is considered "narrow" and dwarves cannot wear it, though it can be used as trade goods. Goblin [[bone]]s and [[skull]]s are not particularly valuable, although - as with all bones and skulls - the bones can be crafted into bolts and the skulls crafted into [[totem]]s.

Unlike other races, goblin "roads" are underground, and if you get in to one, unless you are ready, it can take a long walk to the other side, and you can not enter the travel map when walking one. Being underground, they do not show up on the map{{verify}}.

=== Living among them ===

Starting a fortress with a goblin stronghold in the local area is not for the faint of heart. If you take on this challenge, be careful in choosing a starting position; if your [[wagon]] starts inside the stronghold, your dwarves will probably come to a quick and bloody end. Reclaiming the resulting miasmal pit causes a bloodless eviction of the goblins and leaves one with a broad selection of odd items scattered throughout the now deserted towers{{Version|0.27.169.33g}}.

Because the goblin master thieves can avoid your traps, it's useful to chain a few war [[dog]]s at the entrance. [[Trap#Cage_Trap|Cage traps]] also seem to be more effective than other traps at catching those sneaking goblin masters.

=== Starting Equipment ===

If starting in a goblin fort you should definitely ditch your [[anvil]]. If you have a [[soil]] level you can probably get by bringing less [[food]] and less [[alcohol|booze]], thus allowing you to bring lots of dogs; a large enough pack of dogs should allow you to escape the goblin fort with few casualties, and start building your own army. The dogs will also provide you with a nice source of [[meat]].

== Goblin society ==
Goblin society has few laws, with slavery, assault, oath-breaking, and murder are all considered a personal matter being the parties involved. Additionally all forms of torture are considered acceptable (and likely fun) to goblins.
Goblins do not possess the aptitude for [[grower|growing]], tending more towards food sources like [[fishing]], [[hunting]], and [[butcher]]ing livestock. Fortunately for goblins, their digestive systems can handle eating bones for sustenance as much as the meat that came on it.

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40d:Elf

2008-11-07T17:39:34Z

HeWhoIsPale: preview R good!

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biome=
* In their retreats, usually in [[forest]]s
}}
'''Elves''' are intelligent [[humanoid]] [[creature]]s who live in [[forest retreat]]s. They are one of the races playable in [[Adventure Mode]]. Their retreats have no buildings, but the [[tree]]s in the area are named.They love nature and are ready to defend it, typically with [[bow]]s. They may invade a fortress which violates their tree-cutting limit.

== Elves in Fortress Mode ==

Elves are a [[trading]] race and send small [[caravan]]s without [[wagon]]s in [[Calendar|spring]]. They usually bring [[Thread]], [[cloth]], [[rope]], various [[plants]] and [[seed]]s, and [[wood]]en items. They may also bring some [[tame]] [[animal]]s. Elves also bring a crapload of useless stuff: [[armor]] and clothes too large to wear, inferior wooden [[weapons]], inferior [[alcohol|booze]], inferior redroot [[dye]], [[bow]]s and [[arrow]]s. They are very picky about what they will accept in return although this appears to have changed with the latest version, as it stands Elves will accept anything except items directly made out of or decorated with wood. They also no longer mind purchasing blood-soaked items.

[[Metal]] items are acceptable, even when [[charcoal]] is used in their production. Items made from [[silk]] are acceptable, as are all non-wooden plant-based products such as [[plump helmet]]s, seeds, and ☼Dwarven syrup biscuits[45]☼. Dairy products, such as milk and cheese, are currently acceptable. You can also transport your goods to the [[trade depot]] in a wooden [[bin]], as long as you do not try to sell the bin. This also applies to goods in [[barrel]]s. Living [[animals]] are acceptable, as long as the [[cage]] or [[trap]] is not made of [[wood]].

Although [[tower-cap]]s are giant mushrooms, they are considered [[trees]] by the elves and thus are not acceptable.
able crime, and eating the corpse of one's opponent in battle is socially acceptable.

=== Living among them ===
Living with Elves is pretty much the same as living among [[Humans]], but they don't build houses, [[furniture]], or anything else that uses wood. So basically, it's just like living anywhere else, but with guards.

== Elven society ==
The ethics of elven society are substantially divergent from other races; [[liar|Lying]] is punishable by exile, the killing of plants is an unthink

== Elves in Adventure Mode ==

Elven forest retreats are represented by yellow symbols in [[forest]]s on the world map. They do not have any [[shop]]s, but they seem to have a great amount of elite marksmen to recruit. The leader and quest giver of a retreat is called the "druid", who can be found wandering the forest floor with the other elves.

Elven characters start with a wooden [[weapon]] and a full set of basic wooden [[armor]]. They may not wear metal armor, though they may wield metal weapons and [[shield]]s if they find them. These limitations often lead to a quick death. They do have some advantages, however: they're one [[size]] larger than [[dwarves]], which makes them hit harder and absorb more damage, but they also have a slight natural armor penalty. Their main redeeming trait is their speed, which is noticeably higher than the other playable races.

Elves are at peace with wildlife, which means they won't be attacked by most animals (verify if most or all). In addition, they can talk to the animal-man races (such as [[snakeman|snakemen]] and [[batman|batmen]]) and even get the most excitement-seeking ones to join their party.

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40d:Elf

2008-11-07T17:39:04Z

HeWhoIsPale: separate section

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* In their retreats, usually in [[forest]]s
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'''Elves''' are intelligent [[humanoid]] [[creature]]s who live in [[forest retreat]]s. They are one of the races playable in [[Adventure Mode]]. Their retreats have no buildings, but the [[tree]]s in the area are named.They love nature and are ready to defend it, typically with [[bow]]s. They may invade a fortress which violates their tree-cutting limit.

== Elves in Fortress Mode ==

Elves are a [[trading]] race and send small [[caravan]]s without [[wagon]]s in [[Calendar|spring]]. They usually bring [[Thread]], [[cloth]], [[rope]], various [[plants]] and [[seed]]s, and [[wood]]en items. They may also bring some [[tame]] [[animal]]s. Elves also bring a crapload of useless stuff: [[armor]] and clothes too large to wear, inferior wooden [[weapons]], inferior [[alcohol|booze]], inferior redroot [[dye]], [[bow]]s and [[arrow]]s. They are very picky about what they will accept in return although this appears to have changed with the latest version, as it stands Elves will accept anything except items directly made out of or decorated with wood. They also no longer mind purchasing blood-soaked items.

[[Metal]] items are acceptable, even when [[charcoal]] is used in their production. Items made from [[silk]] are acceptable, as are all non-wooden plant-based products such as [[plump helmet]]s, seeds, and ☼Dwarven syrup biscuits[45]☼. Dairy products, such as milk and cheese, are currently acceptable. You can also transport your goods to the [[trade depot]] in a wooden [[bin]], as long as you do not try to sell the bin. This also applies to goods in [[barrel]]s. Living [[animals]] are acceptable, as long as the [[cage]] or [[trap]] is not made of [[wood]].

Although [[tower-cap]]s are giant mushrooms, they are considered [[trees]] by the elves and thus are not acceptable.

== Elven society ==
The ethics of elven society are substantially divergent from other races; [[liar|Lying]] is punishable by exile, the killing of plants is an unthinkable crime, and eating the corpse of one's opponent in battle is socially acceptable.

=== Living among them ===
Living with Elves is pretty much the same as living among [[Humans]], but they don't build houses, [[furniture]], or anything else that uses wood. So basically, it's just like living anywhere else, but with guards.

== Elves in Adventure Mode ==

Elven forest retreats are represented by yellow symbols in [[forest]]s on the world map. They do not have any [[shop]]s, but they seem to have a great amount of elite marksmen to recruit. The leader and quest giver of a retreat is called the "druid", who can be found wandering the forest floor with the other elves.

Elven characters start with a wooden [[weapon]] and a full set of basic wooden [[armor]]. They may not wear metal armor, though they may wield metal weapons and [[shield]]s if they find them. These limitations often lead to a quick death. They do have some advantages, however: they're one [[size]] larger than [[dwarves]], which makes them hit harder and absorb more damage, but they also have a slight natural armor penalty. Their main redeeming trait is their speed, which is noticeably higher than the other playable races.

Elves are at peace with wildlife, which means they won't be attacked by most animals (verify if most or all). In addition, they can talk to the animal-man races (such as [[snakeman|snakemen]] and [[batman|batmen]]) and even get the most excitement-seeking ones to join their party.

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40d:Goblin

2008-11-07T17:36:44Z

HeWhoIsPale: Added info gleaned from ethics raws

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biome=
* In their towers and dark fortresses
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'''Goblins''' are intelligent [[humanoid]] [[creatures]] that live in dark fortresses in the [[mountain]]s. They are primarily interested in killing [[Dwarf|dwarves]]. They will [[siege]] any sufficiently populous or wealthy fortress, and frequently employ [[troll]]s in their armies to destroy [[door]]s and other [[building]]s.

Occasionally, one or more goblin "snatchers" may arrive if you have [[child]]ren in your fortress. They are stealthy like [[kobold]]s. Detecting them is announced by "Snatcher! Protect the children!". They will attempt to kidnap any children they come across and carry a [[bag]] with them for this purpose. After a few attempts goblin master [[thief|thieves]] will start showing up – besides being generally more competent, these can also evade [[trap]]s. There is also a small chance of getting the goblin ruler with these thieves, if he is a thief himself. Toady stated in a [[Developer interviews|RPPR interview]] that these children will be raised by the goblins and can eventually show up in future goblin armies.

Independent of this goblins will [[ambush]] your fortress, sending squads of different soldier types. Later, the sieges begin: your primary adversary in an invasion, goblin numbers increase every year once they start attacking, and eventually begin besieging your fortress more than once a year. Fortunately, they are not very bright, and will walk into traps by the hundreds. They may sometimes come riding [[beak dog]]s as cavalry.

Goblins carry somewhat valuable gear. They often wear [[giant cave spider]] [[silk]] [[cloth]]ing, [[iron]] [[armor]], even [[steel]] armor (that can be melted down) and steel [[weapon]]s. Crossbowmen will carry dwarf-usable [[bolt]]s. Goblin clothing is considered "narrow" and dwarves cannot wear it, though it can be used as trade goods. Goblin [[bone]]s and [[skull]]s are not particularly valuable, although - as with all bones and skulls - the bones can be crafted into bolts and the skulls crafted into [[totem]]s.

Unlike other races, goblin "roads" are underground, and if you get in to one, unless you are ready, it can take a long walk to the other side, and you can not enter the travel map when walking one. Being underground, they do not show up on the map{{verify}}.

== Goblin society ==
Goblin society has few laws, with slavery, assault, oath-breaking, and murder are all considered a personal matter being the parties involved. Additionally all forms of torture are considered acceptable (and likely fun) to goblins.
Goblins do not possess the aptitude for [[grower|growing]], tending more towards food sources like [[fishing]], [[hunting]], and [[butcher]]ing livestock. Fortunately for goblins, their digestive systems can handle eating bones for sustenance as much as the meat that came on it.

== Living among them ==

Starting a fortress with a goblin stronghold in the local area is not for the faint of heart. If you take on this challenge, be careful in choosing a starting position; if your [[wagon]] starts inside the stronghold, your dwarves will probably come to a quick and bloody end. Reclaiming the resulting miasmal pit causes a bloodless eviction of the goblins and leaves one with a broad selection of odd items scattered throughout the now deserted towers{{Version|0.27.169.33g}}.

Because the goblin master thieves can avoid your traps, it's useful to chain a few war [[dog]]s at the entrance. [[Trap#Cage_Trap|Cage traps]] also seem to be more effective than other traps at catching those sneaking goblin masters.

=== Starting Equipment ===

If starting in a goblin fort you should definitely ditch your [[anvil]]. If you have a [[soil]] level you can probably get by bringing less [[food]] and less [[alcohol|booze]], thus allowing you to bring lots of dogs; a large enough pack of dogs should allow you to escape the goblin fort with few casualties, and start building your own army. The dogs will also provide you with a nice source of [[meat]].

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40d:Elf

2008-11-07T17:21:10Z

HeWhoIsPale: Added info clean from ethics raws

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biome=
* In their retreats, usually in [[forest]]s
}}
'''Elves''' are intelligent [[humanoid]] [[creature]]s who live in [[forest retreat]]s. They are one of the races playable in [[Adventure Mode]]. Their retreats have no buildings, but the [[tree]]s in the area are named.They love nature and are ready to defend it, typically with [[bow]]s. They may invade a fortress which violates their tree-cutting limit.

The ethics of elven society are substantially divergent from other races; [[liar|Lying]] is punishable by exile, the killing of plants is an unthinkable crime, and eating the corpse of one's opponent in battle is socially acceptable.

== Elves in Fortress Mode ==

Elves are a [[trading]] race and send small [[caravan]]s without [[wagon]]s in [[Calendar|spring]]. They usually bring [[Thread]], [[cloth]], [[rope]], various [[plants]] and [[seed]]s, and [[wood]]en items. They may also bring some [[tame]] [[animal]]s. Elves also bring a crapload of useless stuff: [[armor]] and clothes too large to wear, inferior wooden [[weapons]], inferior [[alcohol|booze]], inferior redroot [[dye]], [[bow]]s and [[arrow]]s. They are very picky about what they will accept in return although this appears to have changed with the latest version, as it stands Elves will accept anything except items directly made out of or decorated with wood. They also no longer mind purchasing blood-soaked items.

[[Metal]] items are acceptable, even when [[charcoal]] is used in their production. Items made from [[silk]] are acceptable, as are all non-wooden plant-based products such as [[plump helmet]]s, seeds, and ☼Dwarven syrup biscuits[45]☼. Dairy products, such as milk and cheese, are currently acceptable. You can also transport your goods to the [[trade depot]] in a wooden [[bin]], as long as you do not try to sell the bin. This also applies to goods in [[barrel]]s. Living [[animals]] are acceptable, as long as the [[cage]] or [[trap]] is not made of [[wood]].

Although [[tower-cap]]s are giant mushrooms, they are considered [[trees]] by the elves and thus are not acceptable.

=== Living among them ===

Living with Elves is pretty much the same as living among [[Humans]], but they don't build houses, [[furniture]], or anything else that uses wood. So basically, it's just like living anywhere else, but with guards.

== Elves in Adventure Mode ==

Elven forest retreats are represented by yellow symbols in [[forest]]s on the world map. They do not have any [[shop]]s, but they seem to have a great amount of elite marksmen to recruit. The leader and quest giver of a retreat is called the "druid", who can be found wandering the forest floor with the other elves.

Elven characters start with a wooden [[weapon]] and a full set of basic wooden [[armor]]. They may not wear metal armor, though they may wield metal weapons and [[shield]]s if they find them. These limitations often lead to a quick death. They do have some advantages, however: they're one [[size]] larger than [[dwarves]], which makes them hit harder and absorb more damage, but they also have a slight natural armor penalty. Their main redeeming trait is their speed, which is noticeably higher than the other playable races.

Elves are at peace with wildlife, which means they won't be attacked by most animals (verify if most or all). In addition, they can talk to the animal-man races (such as [[snakeman|snakemen]] and [[batman|batmen]]) and even get the most excitement-seeking ones to join their party.

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Possessed

2008-11-07T15:03:36Z

HeWhoIsPale: directly to the possessed section

#REDIRECT [[Strange mood#Possessed]]

40d Talk:Trap

2008-11-07T14:29:38Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Caged Creatures and Loot */

== Cage traps clarification ==

I think I know the answer, but are ANY sort of cages suitable for trapping any kind of invading monster (except those that evade traps altogether, such as kobalds). The page mentions a glass trap catching a colossus, but will that also apply to a rickety wooden trap? I haven't produced any glass. --[[User:RustyMcloon|Rusty Mcloon]] 06:18, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
:Yes. I've had a bronze colossus trapped in an Ashen Cage before. I don't think creatures care what you trap them in.--[[User:Dadamh|Dadamh]] 14:59, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

== cage traps for food ==
Couldn't one generate a mild supplementary food source by putting cage traps out on the map at random? Or create rows of them to catch aggressive creatures that are chasing down a fleeing dwarf. The ability to place them on the surface has some interesting possibilities. [[User:Kefkakrazy|Kefkakrazy]] 04:45, 4 November 2007 (EST)

: You can really do this with any kind of trap now - I built a 1 tile wide stair/corridor up an exposed cliff face, and as I was concerned about goblins and the like I stonefall-trapped it. Ever since then some of the local wildlife has used it to get up and down the 5 z-level cliff, with predictable and hilarious results. The goats just die, but the marmots are hurled off the cliff face to splatter on the ground below. It's a nice easy meat/leather/fat source, as well as being entertaining "Dwarfy McDwarf cancels reload stone trap - interrupted by (flying) hoary marmot" [[User:Acama|Acama]] 19:48, 20 December 2007 (EST)

==berserk dwarves==
Will berserk dwarves set off pressure plates? Toady mentioned he was going to stop that from happening [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:39, 4 November 2007 (EST)

On a possibly related note, pets CAN set off traps. Although in my experience the pet has to be falling unconscious to do so. [[User:Anonymousphrase|Anonymousphrase]] 22:43, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

[[image:Pet_setting_off_trap.png]]

It may also be the case that you can also get pets killed by a trap if they're in the square when a hostile sets off the trap. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 12:42, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

==flooding a spiked pit==
Will flooding a spiked pit break or cancel the spike trap? I'd test this, but I don't have the channel dug in yet. --[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 18:30, 5 November 2007 (EST)
:confirmed that flooding doesn't affect spear/spike traps. [[User:YayTheDwarves|YayTheDwarves]] 17:52, 6 January 2008 (EST)

I'm pretty sure the "corpse stuck in trap" chance is 50%, according to Toady either on IRC or some forgotten forum post a few months back. I really can't remember for sure. -[[User:EarthquakeDamage|EarthquakeDamage]] 02:31, 10 November 2007 (EST)

==cage traps/ fire imps==
I've secured the entries oy my magma furnaces with cage traps, but it seems that the fire imps just walk through.
Just as the Giant moles did. How so? --[[User:Doub|Doub]]
:supposedly there is a bug that causes any creatures on the map when it is generated to count as residents, and thus know where your traps are and not trigger them. I've never run into the problem myself, but I've never specifically tested for it so I can't really say for sure if it still exists (or ever did). --[[User:BurnedToast|BurnedToast]] 07:41, 6 January 2008 (EST)
:I had read about this and tried it out with a trapped coridoor next to my magma vent - an imp I tempted out walked right through 4 cage traps and 4 stonefall traps without triggering them. Seems like indigenous life is currently trap-immune. Most magma creatures can be dealt with by a few marksdwarves though, so you're only in serious trouble if you have a herd of skeletal hippos on your map on embark.--[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 15:42, 19 January 2008 (EST)
::There's always the menacing spike + lever combo. And pits. [[User:Benitosimies|Benitosimies]] 16:08, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
::I've killed fire imps and magmamen with stone fall traps --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 01:20, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
:I've caught native fire imps in cage traps loaded with green glass terrariums. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 21:42, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

==Trolls and Cages==
I'm planning on making the only passage to my fortress filled with cage traps, but I'm not sure if dwarves going out and migrants and traders coming in will be affected by them. Does anyone know? Also, do trolls smash goblin cages? [[User:Patarak|Patarak]] 21:41, 23 January 2008 (EST)
:Only hostile units will trigger traps. Trolls only smash buildings and after a goblin is captured the cage is not built. So the answer to your second question is no. --[[User:Karlito|Karlito]] 21:45, 23 January 2008 (EST)
::Make sure to forbid the traps when the siege starts. Otherwise your dwarves will rush out to reload them and store all the cages. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 22:53, 23 January 2008 (EST)

==Thieves and trap avoidance==
Is it possible that Kobold thieves/Goblin master thieves can also trigger traps? I think I killed one and caged another master thief in the past. Maybe the quality of the mechanism is important here? --[[User:Qwertyu|Qwertyu]] 13:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC+1)

:goblin thieves, both regular and master, have always triggered traps -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 14:18, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

::So why does the article then say "Sneaking enemies do not trigger traps"? Goblin master thieves seem very sneaky to me. --[[User:Qwertyu|Qwertyu]] 20:33 17 March 2008 (UTC+1)

:::once goblin thieves are revealed they are captured fine. even revealed kobolds dont trigger. -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 15:45, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
:::: At least "normal" goblin thieves are scewered fine without being detected, says my weapon trap --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 16:58, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
:::: I have to agree with Koltom, I got an "Ambush" event when a goblin (master) thief went into a cage trap, and had another one cut to pieces by a serrated disc, which I only noticed when suddenly all my dwarves rushed off to remove his clothes. --[[User Quertyu|Qwertyu]] 13:31 (UTC+1)
:::: Weapon traps apparently have a chance of friendly fire. At least, that's what the ghost of my Kitten(tame) told me... [[User:QMarx|QMarx]] 18:48, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

== Crossbow Trap? ==

How does a crossbow trap work? Does it have line of sight, like a Dwarf? – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Lordmick134|Lordmick134]]

Ranged weapons in weapon traps work much the same as melee weapons do, attacking the creature which triggered the trap. The only real difference in functionality seems to be that they require and use up appropriate ammunition, and (according to the article) do not get occasionally stuck and need cleaning like melee weapons in a weapon trap do. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 21:31, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

== Trapping cave dwellers ==

Has anyone sucessfully caged a cave dwelling megabeast? I have tried on two seperate maps to capture a minotaur and an ettin, both times the monster just run right through the cage traps. Perhaps creatures that are spawned on embark are bugged immune to traps?

as said above, some creatures that spawn on the map dont seem to be caught in traps. however, i successfully caught and with the dugeon master, tamed, a giant cave spider that was living in my chasm. I designated it as available for a pet. a legendary engraver adopted it, so i drafted him and am training him up now. hopefully the giant cave spider that now follows him everywhere will be happy to defend its owner against goblins. megabeasts that spawn and attack you can be caged, in fact, its the easiest way by far to deal with them. some, like dragons can then be tamed. im assuming your etin and minotaur fall under the aforementioned bug... try a later game version. --[[User:FruityBix|FruityBix]] 13:04, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

==Weapon Trap Jamming==
The page says crossbow weapon traps don't jam, but what about a trap with a crossbow and a melee weapon? Does the crossbow still fire if the trap jams? Or does a trap have to be pure crossbows to avoid jamming? --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 01:21, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

== Trap betrayals? ==

Has anyone else been betrayed by their own traps? I had a dog and a crossbowman killed by weapons traps. Serrated iron disks ripped through their bodies like the bloody tusks of enraged elephants.

Correction. A dog, a crossbowman, and a miner. Will the slaughter never end?--[[User:Amenos42|Amenos42]] 12:08, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I've noticed that traps tend to fire on people/animals with injuries. They've killed lots of 3 legged dogs for me, and a soldier that was dragging himself off the field.

: Traps will (also) trip for any and all unconscious individuals. That may be or be one of the reasons. [[User:Drawf irons|Drawf irons]] 20:53, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

::Does that include dead individuals? And is it possible to get my dead dog out of his cage? --[[User:Groveller|Groveller]] 01:32, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

:::Mark it for dumping? That's usually the solution as to how to get anything out of anywhere! --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 09:34, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

== Cage Trap Question ==

I recently received the message that there was a goblin snatcher in my fortress. It zoomed the page to one of the 3 cage traps. I took the game off pause and it gave me the same message again. Now I have two cave traps sprung, and when I press "k" and go over them, one says : "goblin cage (Larch)" and the other says "Goblin cage(nickel)". Does this mean I have successfully caught the scoundrels? Or are they still at large?

:If there is a flashing 'g' then yes, if no than It could be possibly a bug.[[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 08:25, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

== Stone Fall Update: Watch Out!! ==

This is as of release '''0.28.181.39f''': in the past hour I saw two of my own dwarves - both normal healthy members of society - get killed in two different stone fall traps I'd had set up. Clearly, the old rule that dwarves are immune to their own traps is no longer entirely accurate...unless there's a bug going on here? Has anyone else fallen prey to this occurrence? [[User:Grand marquis|Grand marquis]] 06:31, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

:See two sections up. :P Anything unconscious will trigger traps currently - did those dwarves fall asleep on the trap square maybe? I've changed the section on triggering traps, so it gives at least a little hint that backfiring is now possible! --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 09:33, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

== Room of Spiky Death ==
Alright, after a long, long time, I finally got myself a gross(144) of menacing green glass spikes. I'm planning to put them in airlock area of my castle, so that I can trap the goblins who have been annoying me and spike them to death. Each trap will use ten spikes, and there are 14 of them. There's an animal planted as bait, and once I raise both draw bridges, there's no way out. Can anyone tell me if there is something I should know before embarking on this death spree? -[[User:Cypress|Cypress]] 14:47, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Yes. Be prepared for blood. lots and lots of blood. also, it will be awesome.--[[User:Jackrabbit|Jackrabbit]] 00:56, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

== Stop dwarves from automaticaly cleaning traps and getting killed. ==

its in the title. first big siege comes in, hits the first line of traps in my entry hall of death, and then half the fortress runs out en mass to clean them, getting killed by the goblins in front and the ballista bolts from behind. they also block my military from getting past. this is agonizing! children, peasants, legendary craftsdwarves and nobles all are susceptible. aaaaarrrrrrggh! --[[User:FruityBix|FruityBix]] 17:35 30 September 2008 UTC
:Lock the doors. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 22:49, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

== Caged Creatures and Loot ==

''In this case remove the poor fellow using the goblin's inventory screen.''

I just caught my first goblin in my outer line of defenses! It wasn't even complete yet. *dances* Only, I can't seem to access the bugger's inventory screen. How get his goods off him without killing him? --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 04:12, 7 November 2008 (EST)
:Mark the bag (or whatever) he's holding for dumping via the stocks screen. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 09:29, 7 November 2008 (EST)

Dwarf cancels Construct Building: Item blocking site

2008-11-06T15:02:13Z

HeWhoIsPale:

This occurs when there is an item which the dwarf is not allowed to pick up lying on the ground where you want to place the building.

For instance the item is forbidden or is being used in another task (such as a rock that is to be used in a nearby wall or even more annoyingly moved to a stockpile, or a item that needs to be carried to the [[depot]]). Also comes up when you try to build whatever, and it is blocked by an owned and therefore unmovable item.

Another common trigger for this is when you've marked the offending item for dumping. It might not have its job assigned to a dwarf, but it still has a job assigned to it, so it can't be moved by your dwarves until someone decides to take up the Dump Item job.

Finally, if there are no non-diagonal tiles to the site, the dwarf won't be able to clear the site on their own.

{{Errors FAQ}}

40d:Workshop

2008-11-06T14:59:10Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Building */

[[Image:Production_chain.gif|thumb|400px|Production chain.]]
'''Workshops''' are where objects are created, refined, altered, and decorated.

== Building==

Most workshops are quick and easy to build, requiring only a single piece of [[stone]], [[wood]], or other common materials (although there are a few exceptions). To build a workshop, open the {{key|b}}uild menu and select {{key|w}}orkshop, then choose which workshop you would like to build and the materials you would like to use in its construction. Your cursor will now change into a floor plan of the workshop.

Attention: '''dark green locations in the plan will be impassable ''' in the completed workshop, while passable locations will be a bright green. Plans cannot be rotated, so it is important to ensure that the impassable squares do not block a door or otherwise cut off access to the workshop. The [[Jeweler's workshop]] and [[Bowyer's workshop]] block off a whole side of the workshop.

Once the plan has been placed in a satisfactory location, you must have a [[dwarf]] with the appropriate [[labor]] enabled to build the workshop ({{key|v}}iew dwarf-{{key|p}}references-{{key|l}}abors). For instance, to build a a [[carpenter's workshop]], you must have a dwarf with the "[[Carpentry]]" labor enabled. Some workshops (such as the [[furnaces]]) must first be designed by a dwarf with the [[architecture]] labor enabled. To see what labor is needed to build a particular workshop, press {{key|q}} and move the cursor over its floor plan.

To build a workshop, a dwarf must first clean the area of loose rock and other items lying on the ground by moving them to neighboring, non-diagonal squares. Items already claimed by other tasks (such as "Bring Item to Stockpile" cannot be moved and will cause the dwarf to suspend construction of the workshop. If this happens, you will need to wait until the interfering tasks are finished (for instance, rock has been cleared away to a stockpile), and then manually un-suspend construction with the {{key|q}} menu. The dwarf will also suspend the construction when he can't find a proper neighboring square to move the items to. This is usually caused by active construction sites on neighboring tiles.

== Use==

Once a workshop has been constructed, you will need to assign a queue of tasks at which the dwarves with that workshop's skill will henceforth toil. To edit the queue, hit {{key|q}} and move the cursor over the workshop. Jobs are completed in order from top to bottom; a job set to 'repeat' will be labeled ''''R'''' in the list, and will be be sent back to the bottom after it is done. This allows you to set a workshop to do a series of tasks repeatedly. The job labeled ''''A'''', if any, is the currently active project.

Alternatively, the [[manager]] can assign jobs to workshops. This is a more efficient way of allocating jobs when the fortress becomes larger.

Most jobs require materials. Any dwarf that starts a job in a workshop will automatically retrieve the necessary materials from the appropriate source (even if they don't have the appropriate [[hauling]] job set). Dwarves work more efficiently if the materials for their workshop are [[stockpile]]d nearby.

Beware of workshop '''[[clutter]]'''! Dwarves will ''not'' automatically haul things away from workshops once the job is completed. Note that there is no way to notice a cluttered workshop without looking specifically inside the workshop ({{key|t}} or {{key|q}}) until a cloud of [[miasma]] erupts from your [[kitchen]].

==Profiles==

Once a manager is assigned, each workshop will have a profile menu ({{key|q}}-{{key|P}}) which allows you to specify which dwarves are allowed to use the workshop (either by name or by a range of [[skill]]s).

== Variations==

The workshops used in the game include the following:
* [[Alchemist's laboratory]]: Used to make [[soap]].
* [[Ashery]]: Used to make [[lye]] and [[potash]].
* [[Bowyer's workshop]]: Used to make bone or wooden [[crossbow]]s.
* [[Butcher's shop]]: Used to turn some corpses and [[animals|livestock]] into [[meat]] and usable materials.
* [[Carpenter's workshop]]: Used to make [[furniture]] from [[wood]]. Also some [[trap]] components.
* [[Clothier's shop]]: Used to make numerous items from [[cloth]].
* [[Craftsdwarf's workshop]]: Used to make a [[crafts|number of items]] from a plethora of materials for trading purposes. Also useful to make [[bolts]] cheaply.
* [[Dyer's shop]]: Used to [[dye]] [[cloth]] or [[thread]].
* [[Farmer's workshop]]: Used to make [[thread]], [[milk]], [[syrup]], and [[quarry bush|leaves]].
* [[Fishery]]: Used to process raw [[fish]] into edible [[meat]] and [[bones]].
* [[Jeweler's workshop]]: Used to cut and encrust with [[gems]].
* [[Kitchen]]: Used to cook [[food]] to decrease needed storage space, and expand the types of edible food.
* [[Leather works]]: Used to make [[leather]] into [[armor]] and [[clothes]].
* [[Loom]]: Used to make [[cloth]] from [[thread]].
* [[Mason's workshop]]: Used to make [[furniture]] from [[stone]].
* [[Mechanic's workshop]]: Used only to make [[mechanism]]s from [[stone]].
* [[Metalsmith's forge]]: Used to make a plethora of items from trading items to [[furniture]] and [[trap]] components from [[metal]] [[bar]]s and [[fuel]].
** [[Magma forge]]: Same as above, but with less [[fuel]] consumption.
* [[Millstone]]: Used to make [[dye]], [[flour]], and [[sugar]].
** [[Quern]]: Same as above, but with muscle power instead of water or [[windmill]]
* [[Siege workshop]]: Used to make [[ballista]] arrows and [[catapult]] and ballista parts.
* [[Still]]: Used to make [[alcohol]] drinks from [[plants]].
* [[Tanner's shop]]: Used to tan [[raw hide]]s into [[leather]].

== Furnaces ==

Furnaces behave simlarly to workshops, except that they need some form of [[fuel]] ([[charcoal]], [[coke]], or [[magma]]) to operate. They transform raw material ([[wood]], [[ore]] or [[sand]]) to either a [[bar]] or [[block]] (of [[glass]], [[metal]], [[fuel]], [[ash]] or [[potash]]). To build a furnace, open the {{key|b}}uild menu and select {{key|e}}.

Furnaces must be built from fire proof material such as [[stone]].

* [[Glass furnace]]: Used to make [[glass]] items from [[sand]] and [[fuel]].
** [[Magma glass furnace]]: Same as above, but without the [[fuel]] consumption.
* [[Kiln]]: Used to make [[pearlash]] from [[potash]] and [[fuel]].
** [[Magma kiln]]: Same as above, but without [[fuel]] consumption.
* [[Smelter]]: Used to make [[metal]] [[bar]]s from [[ore]] and [[fuel]].
** [[Magma smelter]]: Same as above, but with smaller or non existent [[fuel]] consumption.
* [[Wood furnace]]: Used to make [[charcoal]], which is [[fuel]], from [[wood]]

==Workshop Design==
Since workshops are where much of your fortress's day to day work happens, it is important to plan them as carefully as you do your [[Bedroom Design|bedrooms]]. Workshop designs have a couple key considerations:
* Workshops should be as close as possible to the raw materials needed to do their job (usually via stockpiles).
* There should be room to put in duplicate workshops, to accomodate spikes in demand for things like beds and barrels (carpentry) or stone furniture (masons).
* Workshops should be lockable by forbidding doors. This is important for making sure specific bits of furniture get encrusted with gems (you don't want rubies on a mudstone table while you have a platinum statue around), specific items are made with specific materials (bauxite mechanisms for example), or even just locking a dwarf in a Fell [[strange mood]] away so he won't hurt a useful worker.
* The design should be expandable. There will ALWAYS be another specialty workshop you'd find useful, whether it be a single-task, lockable Jeweler, a Legendary-only Carpenter's Workshop for beds, a floor of Dabbling to Proficient-only Masonry workshops for a [[Military#Cross-training_.28starting_a_Reserves_program.29|reserves program]], the list goes on. Never assume you'll never need another workshop. You'll always find SOMETHING.
* The design should have good traffic throughput. Workshop complexes are pretty high-traffic areas, so you'll need to keep this in mind.
 
A couple things that may seem like big deals, but really aren't:
* Being close to where the finished good will go. You will definitely need to think of where your chairs, tables, prepared meals, and the like will go after they're done being made, but an average fortress has a lot of spare labor and untrained peasants that are qualified for little more than hauling finished goods. Don't be afraid of putting the prepared food and booze larder 100 steps away from the kitchen and still; just turn off food hauling on your cooks and let the peasants handle it.
* Setting up resource stockpiles somewhat near where the resource is produced. Again, the peasants will handle this.

Specific design ideas are at [[Design_strategies#Workshop_Logistics|Design Strategies]]

==See Also==
*[[Noise]]

[[Category:Workshops]]
[[ru:Мастерская]]

40d:Demand

2008-11-03T03:47:37Z

HeWhoIsPale:

A '''demand''' is a [[noble]]'s request that your [[dwarves]] build a specific item of [[furniture]] in one of their [[room]]s.

When a noble makes a demand, you will have about half a year to fulfill it. Demands are always for furniture, and can be for either [[furniture]] of a certain type, like a [[table]], or [[furniture]] of a certain material, like [[copper]] items. Sometimes they specify both, for example "green glass window in dining room"

Demands are announced at the bottom of the screen, but if you miss the message, you can see if a noble is demanding anything on the [[nobles screen|noble's screen]]. If the uppercase bracketed word '[DEMAND]' next to a noble's name is gray, he is making no demands. If white, his current demands have been fulfilled or surpassed. If brown (or yellow when highlighted) the noble has stated their demand and has given you time to complete it. If red, the demanded is expected to have been completed already.

Fulfilling the demand gives the noble a happy [[thought]]. If a demand goes without being fulfilled, the noble will be "[[thought|angered at the state of demands]]". The longer the demand goes unfulfilled the unhappier the noble will get.{{verify}} There are no other direct consequences to failing to fill a demand. Eventually, an [[announcement]] may be made that the noble has simply "forgotten" the demand.

Administrative dwarves (eg, manager, broker, record keeper) will not perform their functions unless their demands have been met. {{verify}}

Happy [[noble]]s make fewer mandates and demands than unhappy ones.{{verify}}

[[Mandate]]s should not be confused with demands.

40d Talk:Werewolf

2008-10-31T00:13:47Z

HeWhoIsPale: /* Infected meat? */

I've noticed a LOT of variability in how dangerous these things are. Sometimes my woodcutters will demolish them in one hit, other times I'll get torn to pieces instead. They universally butcher dogs from what I can tell. Anybody else have any experience with them? --Gotthard 13:04, 18 December 2007 (EST)

: First Werewolf was taken down by 3 unskilled dwarves. Killed a dog with one attack, and wounded a dwarf (Eye gone, Brain yellow) before giving in. The second werewolf, well, I had two skilled wrestlers to attack him. However, one of them was constantly going home (Rest, Fill Waterskin, ...), so effectively I attacked it with one wrestler, which was unsuccessful, because the bitch regenerated too fast. At some point, it got the advantage and took him down.--[[User:Qwertyu|Qwertyu]] 20:40 17 March 2008 (UTC+1)

== Kobold bulb around neck or risk becoming werewolf ==

Is this true?--[[User:Richards|Richards]] 01:53, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
:Personally, I think it is just vandalism. At least I cannot confirm this, however, I had no kobold bulbs to check if my victim tried to put them on. [[User:Qwertyu|Qwertyu]] 04:05, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
::I haven't experienced dwarves turning to werewolves. I got an immigrant wave and there was a werewolf nearby, it killed a few and the rest didn't turn to werewolves although I didn't have any kobold bulbs. Also I think it is impossible to hang vegetables around the neck. At least it isn't possible in adventure mode so I don't think it is in fort mode. So I think it is a joke. Almost funny, but confusing. --[[User:LASD|LASD]] 14:12, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
:::This can easily be verified in the code. And there's no such thing in the Werewolf game object. Its a fake. – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Booken|Booken]]

==Infected meat?==
I just started a new fort and before I knew what was what all my dogs were struck down by a werewolf. It ran off after my mule and I quickly hauled the dog corpeses inside. But my dwarves refuse to butcher them, claiming they need unrotten butcherable corpse. --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 00:35, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

:Spooky. [[User:Midna|Midna]] 01:34, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

:Makes sense to me. Dogs (and other domesticated animals like cats, cows, camels, etc.) can't be butchered after they're already dead. [[User:RedKing|RedKing]] 14:51, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

::Yeah, you can't butcher tame animals unless you have specifically slaughtered them at the butcher's shop. I don't think that makes ''sense'', exactly, but it is how the game works.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 17:57, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
::You also can't butcher or craft goods from pet remains. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 20:13, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

40d:Marlin

2008-10-30T17:36:51Z

HeWhoIsPale:

Marlin are very large ocean fish, most notable for their sharp snouts.

{{CreatureInfo|name=Marlin|symbol=α|color={{COLOR:1:0:1}}|bones=11|chunks=11|meat=11|fat=6|skulls=1|skin=Yes|biome=* Tropical ocean
* Temperate Ocean}}

{{Game_Data|[CREATURE:FISH_MARLIN]
[NAME:marlin:marlins:marlin]
[TILE:224][COLOR:1:0:1]
[LARGE_ROAMING]
[AQUATIC][UNDERSWIM][IMMOBILE_LAND]
[MODVALUE:3]
[GENPOWER:3]
[PREFSTRING:sharp snout]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:15:30]
[BENIGN][NATURAL]
[PETVALUE:500]
[BODY:BASIC_2PARTBODY:BASIC_HEAD:SIDE_FINS:DORSAL_FIN:TAIL:2EYES:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:MOUTH:SNOUT_NOSMELL]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:SNOUT_NOSMELL:stab:stabs:1:6:PIERCE][ATTACKFLAG_CANLATCH]
[ATTACK:SECOND:BYTOKEN:TAIL:slap:slaps:1:2:BLUDGEON][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
[SIZE:11]
[MAXAGE:20:30]
[NO_DRINK]
[CHILD:1][CHILDNAME:marlin fry:marlin fry]
[FAT:6]
[BIOME:OCEAN_TEMPERATE]
[BIOME:OCEAN_TROPICAL]
[STANDARD_FLESH]
[HOMEOTHERM:10067]
[SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:500]
}}
{{Creatures}}
[[Category:Animals]]

Black Handed gibbon

2008-10-30T17:30:05Z

HeWhoIsPale: Redirecting to Black-handed gibbon

#REDIRECT [[Black-handed gibbon]]

Black Crested gibbon

2008-10-30T17:29:39Z

HeWhoIsPale: black-crested biggon

#REDIRECT [[Black-crested gibbon]]

40d:How to safely start fortress mode

2008-10-30T15:51:25Z

HeWhoIsPale: ☼

This guide was compiled by Yanlin (And the users) for the users. Basically it contains Yanlin's personal advice with the advice of others taking a higher rank.

The page has not yet been completely made wiki friendly and it is a WIP.

=The guide=

All advice in the replies will be summed up here in user friendly bits.

==Dwarf jobs and happiness==

Don't try to take one of everything at the start. All jobs that will be run almost constantly can just be done by an [[Immigration|immigrant]]. For example, start with one [[mason]] working like a madman churning out [[door]]s and such. Then when you get your first wave, start at least 4 mason [[workshop]]s and make them churn out standard [[room]]s. If you can make an apartment complex instead of a huge [[Barracks|barracks]] room, you get yourself a good [[Thought|happy bonus]]. -Yanlin
* Legendary dining room is all you need. It is so useful it makes rooms better than barracks merely a roleplay thing. Also, dabbling masons should work on blocks, not furniture. -Someone-else
** Incorrect. While a legendary dining room is very important, according to the [[thought]] article, it is a +20 thought. This can be very quickly erased by severe [[cave adaptation]], which is -20 when exposed to the sun. Couple in a few other powerful unhappy thoughts, such as losing a friend, and a dwarf can tantrum very quickly. Dining rooms work great to stabilize early fortresses, but in larger ones where unhappy thoughts are more plentiful, you need more. This can be as simple as a platinum statue flanked by simple rock statues in a high traffic area to make a "completely sublime, tastefully arranged statue", which I have observed (but not confirmed) to be about a +30 thought. Private bedrooms help too, especially when the dwarven economy starts up so you can avoid the 'lack of chests' unhappy thought. Remember: Only you can stop death spirals. -ThunderClaw

Legendary [[dining room]]s: Any room that's about 5x5, fully engraved and has maybe 4 tables and chairs will be legendary from my experience. I usually take a proficient [[engraver]] with me on the start to speed it up and it also helps if he is the only one doing the engravings. Legendary dining rooms can make dwarves forget even the most horrible things! Even death. -Yanlin
* Average artifact in a small plain room with crappy tables and thrones counts as legendary dining room too. -Someone-else

A fort divided does not stand. Make sure your dwarves don't run around like idiots. -Yanlin

[[Cave adaptation]]: I set up a simple system. There is only one exit out of my apartment complex. My apartment complex spans multiple [[Z-axis|floors]] and each one has the entire entrance in light state. How? Well light passes through [[Floor#Construction|floors]]! Go figure. This is how I do it. I [[channel[[ out the entire entrance from the top to the level I am currently building in. I [[Wall#Construction|wall]] it in on the top to prevent [[goblin]]s and other nasty stuff from jumping or firing in. I create a small "maintenance" tunnel going near the channeling area so that the channelers have access to it. It's simple really. When the channeling grinds to a halt, pave all the channeled areas with floors. I never tested [[wood]] floors. (What kind of idiot wastes wood on anything but [[bin]]s, [[bucket]]s, [[barrel]]s and [[bed]]s?) -Yanlin
*Indoor light does not (or no longer) prevents cave adaptation. Further, making your main meeting area anything Above Ground means that your dwarves will have to avoid it when the "Dwarves stay indoors" order is on - 'indoors' is considered 'below ground', and nothing else. To fight cave adaptation, make a separate, above-ground courtyard that you can quickly dissolve in an emergency. This is quite important! Cave adapatation thoughts take away as much happiness as a legendary dining room gives! -ThunderClaw

[[Stone]] [[stockpile]]s: NO! NOT A CHANCE! But if you set up a special workshop for churning out expensive items, set up a stockpile that accepts only that one kind of expensive rock. Setting up a small stone stockpile under your masonry workshop is a good idea though. -Yanlin
* If you're training siege operators, you can set up an 8x8 non-economic non-ore stone stockpile to ease the hauling load on your catapulters. -GreyMario
* A worthwhile alternative to stockpiling is channeling a hole above some workshops (I haven't tried directly above, but it might work), setting it as a garbage dump, and then dumping all the stone you come across. Unforbid the stone you want to use when you want to use it. It takes up only 1 square to store an arbitrarily high amount of stone, but requires more micromanagement (you don't want to pitch your obsidian into a chasm, or that rotting corpse into your workshop) and will only work for one material at a time.

[[Hauling|Haulers]]: Have at least 5-10 free peasants for hauling. Usually my fortress can run on just my 7 starting dwarves. I can easily supply 60 dwarves worth of [[food]] and [[Alcohol|booze]] while the rest do the odd job here and there. -Yanlin

Micromanagement: Only your core dwarves need it. The rest can just do anything they want. -Yanlin
*Be sure, however, not to let idlers get out of control. No more than 5-10 regardless of the size of your fortress. Idlers make friends very quickly and friend connections are the leading cause of death spirals. Be sure to have plenty of busy work around, whether it's training in a screw pump gym or gathering sand or making excess finished goods from cloth or leather or anything else. Idle hands are the downfall of a fortress. -ThunderClaw

[[Fishing]]: Not worth it. Only the [[shell]]s are worth it. -Yanlin
* However, fishing can give you lots and lots of fishbones, which can then be made into bone bolts that Dwarves use for practice. Very useful on maps without trees. - HisMajestyBOB
* Shells are also extremely worth it. Turtles will populate as vermin in any pool of water in a temperate map, so making a large underground cistern will produce tons of turtles, without your fisherdwarves ever needing to leave the fortress. Shell is great for making cheap plate gloves for your army (since there are no protective leather handguards), and are fantastic for decorating finished goods when you start getting lots of them. Turtles also provide variety to your dwarves' diet, which can be a problem if you are suffering an extended siege and are seeing the 'getting tired of the same old food' thought.

[[Ambusher|Hunting]]: Worth it. But at least give your [[hunter]] some [[armor]]. -Yanlin
* Do not waste starting dwarf on it. This is job for immigrants. -Someone-else
* A bone crossbow, bone bolts, and a suit of leather armor will be everything a hunter will ever need. Have the hunter train his own hunting dog, so it will stick with him without being considered a pet if the local wildlife is aggressive; hunting animals are fragile and will die easily on more vicious maps. If the local wildlife is fairly tame, assign the dog so the hunter gets a happiness bonus from having a pet.

[[Farm plot|Farm]] size: 10x10 of [[plump helmet]]s without fertilizing will feed 500 dwarves. A 5x5 field WITH fertilizing will feed about 500 dwarves. Do the math. (Rough estimates. Untested.) -Yanlin
* Plant a variety of plants as your fortress grows. Cave Wheat and Dimple Cups are fantastic when you have the dwarves to handle the milling. Dimple cups provide dye for better finished clothing, and Cave Wheat Flour is great fodder for prepared food to make it high value. Pig tails are also critical so you're able to produce cloth during a siege. -ThunderClaw

[[Cloth]]: [[Pig tail]]s will provide you all the cloth you need and booze too. -Yanlin
* It's way more effective, in the end, to buy cloth. Plant fiber cloth is incredibly cheap from caravans (~400 value for 10 cloth, plus the bin it came in) and they traffic huge quantities of it. It's not unusual to buy up 50 cloth from a single caravan, which frees up your pig tails for easy brewing fodder, and gives you enough raw material to sew images, which is great for increasing fortress wealth, dwarf happiness, and allows you to naturalize captured goblin clothing so you can offer it to caravans for the diplomacy boost.

Buying your first [[anvil]]: Mugging. No not robbing the [[Trading|merchant]]. Making tons and tons of stone [[Goblet|mugs]]! You'd be amazed how much you can buy with a few bins worth of mugs. Each stone gives 3 mugs and a skilled mason can make enough to... Well... Buy anything you need. Remember, [[Craftsdwarf|craftsdwarves]] are GOOD! -Yanlin
* Mechanic is the way to go. Not only are mechanisms single items (less hauling) but also aren't useless. Prepared food is very good too, though it needs 3 dwarves working (planter, brewer and cook. Combining them into one dwarf is bad thing). Craftdwarves aren't really useful at start and are almost totally useless after that. -Someone-else
** Mechanisms as trade goods are not feasible. They weigh too much. Merchants will decline the trades just because their animals can't haul that much. Crafts, toys, and mugs are very viable, as are meals. Anything that turns a significant wealth profit is fine for buying your first anvil. 1000 value is not that much in the grand scheme of things, by the time you get to 100 dwarves you will probably be trafficing 5000 value with each caravan. -ThunderClaw
***Well, no; I've been able to do all my trading with mechanisms in my current fort, buying as much as 30,000☼ from each caravan. The key is to get a top-skill mechanic and use high-value stone (ideally, obsidian). One masterpiece obsidian mechanism is worth 1,080☼ and only weighs 167Γ. You might have to buy some cheap but heavy goods first to clear some space (bars, pets, cages, etc.), but even the elves can handle the weight as long as the mechanisms are pricey enough. Mechanisms require much less hauling than crafts, being 3x the price per unit, and training a mechanic is much more useful than training a stonecrafter. Trading with prepared meals is even better, although you have to manage their storage and transport carefully or else they'll spoil. (You can't leave them in the depot between caravans, for instance, and they have a tendency to spoil before someone gets around to hauling them out of the kitchen.) -Maximus
****This is fine and dandy for later on in your fortress when you have highly skilled mechanics and access to better stone, but for your first anvil, when your mechanic is at best proficient (and more likely untrained) and you have to trade with whatever mechanisms you have available, using them as trade goods falls through very quickly. A dolomite mechanism weighs closer to 350Γ and is less valuable than an obsidian one. Later on, when you are trading massive quantities of heavy stuff like wood from each caravan, you might be able to do this, but early on it's too much of a gamble. -ThunderClaw
*****Therefore, mugs. You even get the bonus of three mugs per rock. But mugs aren't the best trade good in the world - sooner or later you're going to want to import giant cave spider silk cloth and thread so you can make socks from them so you can use them as trade goods instead. Everybody loves smooth silk socks, and they're, at worst, worth 600☼. -GreyMario
* Scrape up enough to buy at least 2 cheese then cook the cheese. Use the cooked cheese to buy the rest of the cheese. Cook the rest of the cheese. Buy out the rest of the caravan with the new meal. -Ikko
* Seconding cooking over crafting. I generally have a 5x5 plot of plump helmets, which I brew then cook, which will feed an arbitrarily high amount of dwarves and allow me to buy pretty much whatever I want. -Vaniver

[[Nobles]]: Give them a huge [[bedroom]], huge [[office]] and cram it up with some decorations and [[engraving]]s. That should keep em happy for a while. -Yanlin
* If you happen to have artifact furniture just build one room of average size, but few beds, tables and thrones in it and make it a "noble room". Artifact will boost its value enough for all dwarves who aren't kings unless it's made from one log, stone, bone, shell or the like. -Someone-else
* Nobles need their own quarter away from everything because they get the unhappy thoughts about their 'lessers' pretentious lodgings'. Integrating them into normal society is too much of a pain to bother with. Plus making a designated noble's quarter means they're easier to kill if the need arises. As nearly as I can tell, the Tax Collector, Hammerer, and Dungeon Master all consider themselves fairly equal, while the Baron/Count/Duke and consorts consider themselves a step up, with the King/Queen and consort a step above that. Build four 3x3 rooms for each low rung noble (bedroom, office, dining room, tomb), 7 slightly larger (3x4, 4x4, your call) rooms for the second rung (2 bedrooms, 2 dining rooms, 2 tombs, 1 office. The consort does not require an office), and 7 still larger rooms for the king/queen and consort (again, 2 bedrooms, 2 dining rooms, 2 tombs, 1 office). Turn off all engravers except for your one best one for engraving; engravings are extremely variable in impressiveness so you need to keep the worker constant and count on the fact that the rooms are larger to keep the net wealth from engravings from varying too much. Finally, if you really want to keep your nobles stupidly happy, dig out a 1x2 area near their bed, smooth it, and place an Aluminum or Platinum statue next to a stone statue (import aluminum from the dwarven caravan if you can't find any. It's only about 250 for some nuggets and it's much lighter than platinum). Make sure the statues are a part of the bedroom. The noble will now admire his 'own completely sublime tastefully arranged statue' every time he wakes up, for a massive +50 mood spike that can take a dwarf from unhappy to ecstatic. -ThunderClaw

==Pets and food animals==

*[[Cat]]s. Having a few cats will not only boost the adopted dwarfs' mood but will also make your food safer (due to a lack of [[vermin]]). However, with how many cats immigrants bring as pets, it's practically impossible to control them indefinitely. The resulting excessive numbers of cats can cause framerate issues, though this is less of an issue then in previous versions.

*[[Dog]]s. Bringing 2 dogs along with your starting caravan and train any full grown dogs you get into war animals. Assigning war animals to civilians is one of the best ways to increase security. You may choose instead to have civilians train their own war animals. Training is fairly quick even at dabbling and trained animals follow their trainer while still remaining strays (no sadness if the animal dies, but no immediate mood boost from being comforted if unhappy).

* Shamelessly kill off newborn pets to prevent overpopulation. Especially useful on cats. Or put them in a [[cage]] as an [[butchering|emergency food source]]. Caged animals do not breed, block paths or waste CPU power on pathfinding.

* Dogs give a lot of bang for your buck. They are a good source of [[food|meat]]. You just pay 16☼ for them upon embark. This might be a little bit more than the price of 5 meat (which is 10☼) but you have to take into account that they get offspring, son that 20 dogs of the first year might turn into 30 dogs or more in the second year. Slaughtering each dog gives 5 meat, 5 [[bones]], a [[skin|hide]] and a [[skull]]. This as well as the fact that dogs, in contrast to meat don't rot, makes it useful to buy at least some of them upon start. Also you can slaughter dogs at whim, whereas you can't slaughter an owned pet.

* Alternatively, dogs are generally a lot better used as war animals, even if you have a lot of them. Every war animal you have is another defender against goblins, and quite possibly one fewer lost dwarf. If you want an emergency food supply, make a 5x5 room and honeycomb it with ropes. Assign beasts of burden like musk oxen, horses, and the like to them. Chained animals will breed, so you will get offspring, but they will all stay in their little corrall and make finding animals to slaughter very easy.

* Simply put a meeting zone across the entrance to your fort, which will cause stray animals (including war dogs) to wander around in that meeting zone. Any [[thief]] is instantly turned into kibble, and they're quite handy at assisting with smaller sieges too.

==Defense==

An army of peasants is a good thing if you think about it. Churn out a few [[crossbow|crossbows]] and [[ammo|bolts]]. Even copper weapons can take down most sieges you will probably get. -Yanlin
* Don't neglect armor. Leather armor is incredibly easy to make, and masterwork leather armor is as good as iron. Turtle shell can also make very good armor. -ThunderClaw

[[Goblin]] babysnatchers and Kobold thieves. One dog on a [[chain]] will kill them on contact. Especially a war dog. I usually buy a few chains at the embarkment. -Yanlin
* War dogs actualy miss thieves about half the time they reveal them if they can't pursue. Tying a beast of burden to a chain will scare thieves away (they bug out the second they are revealed) with less of a net affect on security. War dogs on chains are as good as dead in a siege. -ThunderClaw

Security. [[traps|Stonefall traps]] at the entrance help. After you need more than that, you probably have more than that. Make weapon traps that shoot or better yet, station [[marksdwarf|marksdwarves]] in [[fortifications]] outside your fort. Make sure to put them in a [[tower]]. -Yanlin
* Interim/second-line defence layout requiring minimal man-hours to assemble; mine out one long entrance tunnel, with doors and fortifications at the very end, one line of traps just inside the entrance to soften them up and another line in front of the defences to mop up whatever your marksdwarves can't kill off in time. Optionally carve fortifications out of both sides of this passage, screened by traps or even a channel, and establish a crossfire. "Crossbows to the left of us, crossbows to the right of us..." -Jake Grey
* Other common security ideas can be a retractable bridge or a pit of grates that drop into a drowning chamber or a cave of spikes. Always make 2 or 3 defensible positions to fall back to in case one is compromised. -ThunderClaw

You might want to bring along a rope and then wall in your fortress entrance so there is only one path. Then set a dog on the rope (Not a cat, those are more useful against vermin) beside the door to stop the sneaky sorts. -Gamerofthegame
* Use a beast of burden instead. Dogs are better spent protecting important civilians. -ThunderClaw

Weapon traps and marksdwarves = survival for most -wendigo
* But not siege-breaking. Remember that unhappiness kills as many dwarves as goblin weapons, so if you turtle up for too long, you'll find your dwarves emoing themselves to death. -ThunderClaw

==Production and efficiency==

[[Glass]]. You want [[sand]] on your map. It is awesome advice to have sand on your map. Remember. Glass is EASY to make especially if you can get a source of [[fuel]] for your forge. You can make almost everything out of glass. If you can get a [[magma glass furnace]], you win. -Yanlin
* Fuel is very hard to mass produce. A large-scale charcoal producing is infeasible because of the distance required for hauling each fallen tree. Coke production is entirely dependant on how much coke-stone you can find. You can request charcoal from the human and dwarven caravans, and coke-stone from the dwarven caravan, but they never bring very much (enough for about 25-30 bars of fuel a year). Glass is nice for producing gems for strange moods on demand (raw glass counts as a gem), but without magma it's not a good use of your limited fuel supplies - metal weapons and armor are much better. -ThunderClaw

[[Iron]]. You want it. If you didn't find iron, I suggest just starting over in another location or if you feel determined, buy it. But it can get costly. -Yanlin
* If you're being beseiged by goblins, you can melt down their armour for iron. -Tenebrais
* I have to agree here. If you have a magma source. Each goblin gives about 3 bars of metal when you melt down the equipment. Also, dwarven and human caravans bring maybe 10 bars or more each if you give it a high priority. Since you only need iron (/steel) for weapons and armour, you can easily survive on a map without iron ore. -Qwertyu
* You can replicate iron with high-quality bone and leatherworkers. Masterwork bone/shell and leather armor is as strong as normal-quality iron equipment. Goblins never carry more than regular quality gear, so if you have a legendary bone or leatherworker you're competing on equal ground unless the goblins are routinely employing steel. Large-scale melting of equipment to get iron is infeasible without magma because each melt job consumes a unit of fuel, which is rare enough as it is. You can import obsidian (much cheaper and lighter than iron ores, so you see more of it per caravan) from the dwarven caravan to get steel-quality swords and use stonecrafting to back up your marksdwarves. While you will not have the grand dwarven military of legend, your armed forces can get along just fine without iron. -ThunderClaw

Common [[barrel]] exploit. Each piece of meat and [[alcohol|booze]] you bring with you, will give you one free barrel. 5 of each can fit in a barrel and if you take 6 of something, you get 2 barrels. Etc. -Flok Speargrabber
* Import barrels from the human and dwarven caravans. They're cheap, come ready made, and eliminate the need to use wood on them. -ThunderClaw

[[turtle|Turtles]] are AWESOME! -Flok Speargrabber
* Be sure to disable bones and [[shells]] in your early outdoor refuse [[stockpile]] so you don't waste turtles' awesomeness. -Someone-else

Bringing a few [[seeds]] of everything along with you is wise. (I suggest bringing plenty of [[plump helmet]] and [[pig tail]] seeds.) -Flok Speargrabber
* The second advice is bad. Just start your [[farm plot|farm]] soon and brew what you can and you will have more seeds than need. As for bringing everything: 1 seed each is enough. [[Rock nuts]] are useless before you have food chain and plenty of bags. -Someone-else
* I don't think bringing more than plump helmet and pig tail to start out with is nessecery. It will be a number of years before you have the labor to mill the other plants in any sort of volume, and seeds are cheap and easy to buy from the caravans. It's a bad idea to come with only 1 seed of your critical pig tail and plump helmet crops, though; if disaster strikes and you somehow do not reclaim the seeds you need from the grown product (accidental cooking, wilting, etc), you're completely out of luck and your dwarves will have to either forage or starve to death. -ThunderClaw

[[immigration|Immigrants]] are good for [[fishing]] that pesky [[carp]]. (Well not really. But they are good for fishing nonetheless.) -blakyoshi7
:If your dwarves need to go to water that contains carp, longnose gar, or other ravenous river creatures, any goon given a crossbow and stationed at least one tile away from the river can keep a fair region of river clear of animals, given a little while. Remember to turn off chasing so they don't run up to the river and get dragged in. -[[User:Heron|Heron]]

Farming. The best source of food. If you don't want to "Cheat" you can just plant a big plump helmet farm. Make sure you don't cook it all though. Make sure at least some goes into booze. Booze and eating raw returns seeds. [[Cooking]] destroys them. Alternatively you can cook the booze. That creates a cheatish infinate supply of food. -Yanlin
*One-crop farming will create a chronic "tired of the same old food/booze" thought in all your dwarves, and hamstring your ability to make higher quality finished goods to keep the peace internally and become a proper economic powerhouse. Variety is the spice of life. After you have a steady, reliable base of plump helmets so starvation is not a problem, expand into other crops, especially Cave Wheat and Dimple Cups. -ThunderClaw

[[Wood]]. You don't really NEED a heavily forested map. Assuming you will make about 100 [[beds]] during 3 years and some barrels, [[bucket|buckets]] and [[bins]], you only need about 500 [[tree|trees]]. Might sound like not enough on a non heavily forested map right? Well wrong. Trees DO grow back. Even a lightly forested map has at least 200 trees from what I could tell. -Yanlin
* If you plan on doing a lot of metalsmithing on a map with no magma, or a lot of clear glass or soap, you will need a lot of wood for charcoal and ash. -Bouchart
* You can also request wood from the human and dwarven caravans, and they'll routinely bring 30-40 logs per year. Unless you have a voracious wood burning demand, the caravans alone can provide more than enough for your needs. Many times I only cut trees to clear for building after the first couple years in my fortresses. -ThunderClaw

Pig tails are good to bring, as a source of booze that your dwarfs won't accidentally eat up before it's turned into it's sweet elixir of happiness. -Overdose

Pigtail makes great booze. It helps keep your dwarves happy and avoid the "Tired of same booze" unhappy thought. -motorbitch

You need [[cloth]] only for [[strange mood|strange moods]]. You can easily buy all the cloth you need and have your [[farmer|farmers]] do more useful work. -motorbitch
* Wrong. Glass industry requires many bags. -Someone-else
* Arguably, if you've got a use for cloth in bulk then you've probably got an export good valuable enough to buy it with and still turn a profit, though a local supply to top it up couldn't hurt. -Jake Grey
* Bags are also needed for milling. Mass importation of cloth allows you to sew images into captured goblin equipment to naturalize it (make it OK to offer it to traders) and allows you to produce ropes and bags at a whim. Plus, buying the bin from traders means you can use less wood on building your own bins. Be sure to buy a decent supply (5-10 parcels) of silk cloth as well. Strange moods will often request it and it's very rare you'll be able to produce it on your own.

Two humped camels are good for farming as they yield a lot. Consider this option to diversify your meals. Also helps if you want to avoid the booze food exploit.- motorbitch

Lopped off body parts create small bones that are rather useless. (Training bolts are never really useless as you should have too many bins anyway.) -motorbitch

You should only put a priority on [[Magma]] if you have the ability to make glass with it. If so, it should be one of your first things. -Gamerofthegame
* Magma also allows you to mass-produce metal weaponry and armor for export or use in weapon traps. It also allows you to process ore as you find it instead of waiting for a demand to smelt and craft it (since fuel use isn't a problem).

Have your [[carpenter]](s) craft a steady flow of beds/barrels/bins -wendigo

Run a [[still]] nonstop. Get those seeds, distill that booze. -wendigo
* If you have many barrels filled with booze and no free ones just cook some beer biscuits. Not only they will make your dwarves happier but also will train your cook and let your brewer continue his work. Don't do this if you have no plants to brew. -Someone-else

Metalworking is desirable, but not crucial. -wendigo

I set every dwarf in the fortress to [[butcher]] and [[skin|tan]]. Its a very high priority job since the corpses and skins will rapidly decay, and by setting every single dwarf to be able to perform this task (skill doesn't matter, a dabbling dwarf does just as well as a legendary dwarf) there's a very high probability it will get done in time. If you have a lot of corpses to process, simply build a bunch of butcher and tanner workshops. -Hyndis

If you find yourself on a map with an abundance of metal ore ''and'' coal or magma, save your wood for beds, ash and the odd strange mood and make as much as you can from metal; it's usually a lot easier to defend and safely access a vein of [[cassiterite]] or a coal seam during sieges than a whole forest. Metal bins also make trading with the elves a bit less laborious. (NB: I would strongly advise you to use up your less useful metals such as tin first, even if you're practically buried in magnetite; a sudden run on crossbow bolts could come at the very worst moment.) -Jake Grey

Speaking of which, don't underestimate the usefulness of elven merchants, as the one thing they're reliable for bringing is cloth, and lots of it. Unless you forbid the use of [[pig tails]] and/or [[rope reed]] for brewing, your still and farmer's workshop will be in direct competition for the same supply, which can lead to shortfalls in one or the other. Apart from the fact that running out of cloth is infinitely preferable to running out of booze, it's also better value for money as an import. -Jake Grey

===Wood is useful for:===
[[Beds]] - [[Bins]] - [[Barrels]] - [[spike|Spikes]] - [[Screw pump|Pump parts]] - [[Windmill|Windmills]] and [[water]] wheels

-Flok Speargrabber

===Stone is good for:===

[[Statues]] - [[chest|Coffers]] - [[cabinet|Cabinets]] - [[Coffins]] - [[trade|Trade goods]] - [[Doors]] - [[Floodgates]] - [[chair|Chairs]] - [[table|Tables]] - [[Blocks]] for [[road|roads]] and [[floor|floors]] (More brick-y than block-y)

-Flok Speargrabber

===Metal is good for:===
[[Weapons]] - [[Armor ]] - Magma-safe stuff - Expensive statues - Noble orders, usually, unless they don't want a special metal item

-Flok Speargrabber

==Performance==

Cats are not as bad as they used to be. Now slaughtering the newborns is easy enough and with the new partial print feature, they are not the huge FPS problem they used to be. They are also, like dogs: a good source of meat and such. -Vaftrudner

Don't bother with clothes. They don't really do anything and lag your FPS because they get checked every moment. Your dwarves wont mind walking around nude and no one is going to judge them about it. (Politically it does not matter.) -motorbitch
*However, dwarves get fairly powerful happy thoughts from satisfying acquisitions and fairly powerful unhappy thoughts from having their clothes fall off. There is usually plenty of labor in a larger fortress to clothe everyone, so unless you have an FPS issue there's no reason not to do it. -ThunderClaw

Bring a cage. Just one. You can use it to stuff your excess creatures. Mainly anything outside two cats and maybe two dogs. -Gamerofthegame

==Special conditions==

You could bring five picks and 300 logs if you're on a treeless map. Just don't make stuff from wood if you can make them from something else. (Stockpile = bad) -Ashery

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{{Starting FAQ}}

40d:Marriage

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HeWhoIsPale:

[[Dwarves]] will get married occassionally. It is unknown if Dwarves will involve in same-sex relationships, but it does not appear so. Dwarves must be "lovers" before becoming married, the current mechanism is unknown. Dwarves may celebrate marriages with a [[party]] if you have provided a [[room]] for them to do so in. After marriage they will share bedrooms, start to sleep in the same bed, and share the same account (if the [[dwarven economy]] is in effect). New migrants to the fortress can already be married when they arrive.

In the Relationships screen ( {{k|v}} {{k|p}} {{k|z}} {{k|r}} ), '''Husband''' or '''Wife''' tops the list, coming above their deity.

Currently (v0.27.176.38c), dwarven marriage is not voided by death, which means that the spouse of a dwarf will continue to show up in the relations screen and that beds owned by a married couple will still be listed as owned by both partners.
This also means dwarves do not remarry, or initiate new romantic relationships after being widowed.

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40d:How to safely start fortress mode

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HeWhoIsPale: /* Pets and food animals */ - cleaned up a little, removed claims

This guide was compiled by Yanlin (And the users) for the users. Basically it contains Yanlin's personal advice with the advice of others taking a higher rank.

The page has not yet been completely made wiki friendly and it is a WIP.

=The guide=

All advice in the replies will be summed up here in user friendly bits.

==Dwarf jobs and happiness==

Don't try to take one of everything at the start. All jobs that will be run almost constantly can just be done by an [[Immigration|immigrant]]. For example, start with one [[mason]] working like a madman churning out [[door]]s and such. Then when you get your first wave, start at least 4 mason [[workshop]]s and make them churn out standard [[room]]s. If you can make an apartment complex instead of a huge [[Barracks|barracks]] room, you get yourself a good [[Thought|happy bonus]]. -Yanlin
* Legendary dining room is all you need. It is so useful it makes rooms better than barracks merely a roleplay thing. Also, dabbling masons should work on blocks, not furniture. -Someone-else
** Incorrect. While a legendary dining room is very important, according to the [[thought]] article, it is a +20 thought. This can be very quickly erased by severe [[cave adaptation]], which is -20 when exposed to the sun. Couple in a few other powerful unhappy thoughts, such as losing a friend, and a dwarf can tantrum very quickly. Dining rooms work great to stabilize early fortresses, but in larger ones where unhappy thoughts are more plentiful, you need more. This can be as simple as a platinum statue flanked by simple rock statues in a high traffic area to make a "completely sublime, tastefully arranged statue", which I have observed (but not confirmed) to be about a +30 thought. Private bedrooms help too, especially when the dwarven economy starts up so you can avoid the 'lack of chests' unhappy thought. Remember: Only you can stop death spirals. -ThunderClaw

Legendary [[dining room]]s: Any room that's about 5x5, fully engraved and has maybe 4 tables and chairs will be legendary from my experience. I usually take a proficient [[engraver]] with me on the start to speed it up and it also helps if he is the only one doing the engravings. Legendary dining rooms can make dwarves forget even the most horrible things! Even death. -Yanlin
* Average artifact in a small plain room with crappy tables and thrones counts as legendary dining room too. -Someone-else

A fort divided does not stand. Make sure your dwarves don't run around like idiots. -Yanlin

[[Cave adaptation]]: I set up a simple system. There is only one exit out of my apartment complex. My apartment complex spans multiple [[Z-axis|floors]] and each one has the entire entrance in light state. How? Well light passes through [[Floor#Construction|floors]]! Go figure. This is how I do it. I [[channel[[ out the entire entrance from the top to the level I am currently building in. I [[Wall#Construction|wall]] it in on the top to prevent [[goblin]]s and other nasty stuff from jumping or firing in. I create a small "maintenance" tunnel going near the channeling area so that the channelers have access to it. It's simple really. When the channeling grinds to a halt, pave all the channeled areas with floors. I never tested [[wood]] floors. (What kind of idiot wastes wood on anything but [[bin]]s, [[bucket]]s, [[barrel]]s and [[bed]]s?) -Yanlin
*Indoor light does not (or no longer) prevents cave adaptation. Further, making your main meeting area anything Above Ground means that your dwarves will have to avoid it when the "Dwarves stay indoors" order is on - 'indoors' is considered 'below ground', and nothing else. To fight cave adaptation, make a separate, above-ground courtyard that you can quickly dissolve in an emergency. This is quite important! Cave adapatation thoughts take away as much happiness as a legendary dining room gives! -ThunderClaw

[[Stone]] [[stockpile]]s: NO! NOT A CHANCE! But if you set up a special workshop for churning out expensive items, set up a stockpile that accepts only that one kind of expensive rock. Setting up a small stone stockpile under your masonry workshop is a good idea though. -Yanlin
* If you're training siege operators, you can set up an 8x8 non-economic non-ore stone stockpile to ease the hauling load on your catapulters. -GreyMario
* A worthwhile alternative to stockpiling is channeling a hole above some workshops (I haven't tried directly above, but it might work), setting it as a garbage dump, and then dumping all the stone you come across. Unforbid the stone you want to use when you want to use it. It takes up only 1 square to store an arbitrarily high amount of stone, but requires more micromanagement (you don't want to pitch your obsidian into a chasm, or that rotting corpse into your workshop) and will only work for one material at a time.

[[Hauling|Haulers]]: Have at least 5-10 free peasants for hauling. Usually my fortress can run on just my 7 starting dwarves. I can easily supply 60 dwarves worth of [[food]] and [[Alcohol|booze]] while the rest do the odd job here and there. -Yanlin

Micromanagement: Only your core dwarves need it. The rest can just do anything they want. -Yanlin
*Be sure, however, not to let idlers get out of control. No more than 5-10 regardless of the size of your fortress. Idlers make friends very quickly and friend connections are the leading cause of death spirals. Be sure to have plenty of busy work around, whether it's training in a screw pump gym or gathering sand or making excess finished goods from cloth or leather or anything else. Idle hands are the downfall of a fortress. -ThunderClaw

[[Fishing]]: Not worth it. Only the [[shell]]s are worth it. -Yanlin
* However, fishing can give you lots and lots of fishbones, which can then be made into bone bolts that Dwarves use for practice. Very useful on maps without trees. - HisMajestyBOB
* Shells are also extremely worth it. Turtles will populate as vermin in any pool of water in a temperate map, so making a large underground cistern will produce tons of turtles, without your fisherdwarves ever needing to leave the fortress. Shell is great for making cheap plate gloves for your army (since there are no protective leather handguards), and are fantastic for decorating finished goods when you start getting lots of them. Turtles also provide variety to your dwarves' diet, which can be a problem if you are suffering an extended siege and are seeing the 'getting tired of the same old food' thought.

[[Ambusher|Hunting]]: Worth it. But at least give your [[hunter]] some [[armor]]. -Yanlin
* Do not waste starting dwarf on it. This is job for immigrants. -Someone-else
* A bone crossbow, bone bolts, and a suit of leather armor will be everything a hunter will ever need. Have the hunter train his own hunting dog, so it will stick with him without being considered a pet if the local wildlife is aggressive; hunting animals are fragile and will die easily on more vicious maps. If the local wildlife is fairly tame, assign the dog so the hunter gets a happiness bonus from having a pet.

[[Farm plot|Farm]] size: 10x10 of [[plump helmet]]s without fertilizing will feed 500 dwarves. A 5x5 field WITH fertilizing will feed about 500 dwarves. Do the math. (Rough estimates. Untested.) -Yanlin
* Plant a variety of plants as your fortress grows. Cave Wheat and Dimple Cups are fantastic when you have the dwarves to handle the milling. Dimple cups provide dye for better finished clothing, and Cave Wheat Flour is great fodder for prepared food to make it high value. Pig tails are also critical so you're able to produce cloth during a siege. -ThunderClaw

[[Cloth]]: [[Pig tail]]s will provide you all the cloth you need and booze too. -Yanlin
* It's way more effective, in the end, to buy cloth. Plant fiber cloth is incredibly cheap from caravans (~400 value for 10 cloth, plus the bin it came in) and they traffic huge quantities of it. It's not unusual to buy up 50 cloth from a single caravan, which frees up your pig tails for easy brewing fodder, and gives you enough raw material to sew images, which is great for increasing fortress wealth, dwarf happiness, and allows you to naturalize captured goblin clothing so you can offer it to caravans for the diplomacy boost.

Buying your first [[anvil]]: Mugging. No not robbing the [[Trading|merchant]]. Making tons and tons of stone [[Goblet|mugs]]! You'd be amazed how much you can buy with a few bins worth of mugs. Each stone gives 3 mugs and a skilled mason can make enough to... Well... Buy anything you need. Remember, [[Craftsdwarf|craftsdwarves]] are GOOD! -Yanlin
* Mechanic is the way to go. Not only are mechanisms single items (less hauling) but also aren't useless. Prepared food is very good too, though it needs 3 dwarves working (planter, brewer and cook. Combining them into one dwarf is bad thing). Craftdwarves aren't really useful at start and are almost totally useless after that. -Someone-else
** Mechanisms as trade goods are not feasible. They weigh too much. Merchants will decline the trades just because their animals can't haul that much. Crafts, toys, and mugs are very viable, as are meals. Anything that turns a significant wealth profit is fine for buying your first anvil. 1000 value is not that much in the grand scheme of things, by the time you get to 100 dwarves you will probably be trafficing 5000 value with each caravan. -ThunderClaw
***Well, no; I've been able to do all my trading with mechanisms in my current fort, buying as much as 30,000☼ from each caravan. The key is to get a top-skill mechanic and use high-value stone (ideally, obsidian). One masterpiece obsidian mechanism is worth 1,080☼ and only weighs 167Γ. You might have to buy some cheap but heavy goods first to clear some space (bars, pets, cages, etc.), but even the elves can handle the weight as long as the mechanisms are pricey enough. Mechanisms require much less hauling than crafts, being 3x the price per unit, and training a mechanic is much more useful than training a stonecrafter. Trading with prepared meals is even better, although you have to manage their storage and transport carefully or else they'll spoil. (You can't leave them in the depot between caravans, for instance, and they have a tendency to spoil before someone gets around to hauling them out of the kitchen.) -Maximus
****This is fine and dandy for later on in your fortress when you have highly skilled mechanics and access to better stone, but for your first anvil, when your mechanic is at best proficient (and more likely untrained) and you have to trade with whatever mechanisms you have available, using them as trade goods falls through very quickly. A dolomite mechanism weighs closer to 350Γ and is less valuable than an obsidian one. Later on, when you are trading massive quantities of heavy stuff like wood from each caravan, you might be able to do this, but early on it's too much of a gamble. -ThunderClaw
*****Therefore, mugs. You even get the bonus of three mugs per rock. But mugs aren't the best trade good in the world - sooner or later you're going to want to import giant cave spider silk cloth and thread so you can make socks from them so you can use them as trade goods instead. Everybody loves smooth silk socks, and they're, at worst, worth 600☼. -GreyMario
* Scrape up enough to buy at least 2 cheese then cook the cheese. Use the cooked cheese to buy the rest of the cheese. Cook the rest of the cheese. Buy out the rest of the caravan with the new meal. -Ikko
* Seconding cooking over crafting. I generally have a 5x5 plot of plump helmets, which I brew then cook, which will feed an arbitrarily high amount of dwarves and allow me to buy pretty much whatever I want. -Vaniver

[[Nobles]]: Give them a huge [[bedroom]], huge [[office]] and cram it up with some decorations and [[engraving]]s. That should keep em happy for a while. -Yanlin
* If you happen to have artifact furniture just build one room of average size, but few beds, tables and thrones in it and make it a "noble room". Artifact will boost its value enough for all dwarves who aren't kings unless it's made from one log, stone, bone, shell or the like. -Someone-else
* Nobles need their own quarter away from everything because they get the unhappy thoughts about their 'lessers' pretentious lodgings'. Integrating them into normal society is too much of a pain to bother with. Plus making a designated noble's quarter means they're easier to kill if the need arises. As nearly as I can tell, the Tax Collector, Hammerer, and Dungeon Master all consider themselves fairly equal, while the Baron/Count/Duke and consorts consider themselves a step up, with the King/Queen and consort a step above that. Build four 3x3 rooms for each low rung noble (bedroom, office, dining room, tomb), 7 slightly larger (3x4, 4x4, your call) rooms for the second rung (2 bedrooms, 2 dining rooms, 2 tombs, 1 office. The consort does not require an office), and 7 still larger rooms for the king/queen and consort (again, 2 bedrooms, 2 dining rooms, 2 tombs, 1 office). Turn off all engravers except for your one best one for engraving; engravings are extremely variable in impressiveness so you need to keep the worker constant and count on the fact that the rooms are larger to keep the net wealth from engravings from varying too much. Finally, if you really want to keep your nobles stupidly happy, dig out a 1x2 area near their bed, smooth it, and place an Aluminum or Platinum statue next to a stone statue (import aluminum from the dwarven caravan if you can't find any. It's only about 250 for some nuggets and it's much lighter than platinum). Make sure the statues are a part of the bedroom. The noble will now admire his 'own completely sublime tastefully arranged statue' every time he wakes up, for a massive +50 mood spike that can take a dwarf from unhappy to ecstatic. -ThunderClaw

==Pets and food animals==

*[[Cat]]s. Having a few cats will not only boost the adopted dwarfs' mood but will also make your food safer (due to a lack of [[vermin]]). However, with how many cats immigrants bring as pets, it's practically impossible to control them indefinitely. The resulting excessive numbers of cats can cause framerate issues, though this is less of an issue then in previous versions.

*[[Dog]]s. Bringing 2 dogs along with your starting caravan and train any full grown dogs you get into war animals. Assigning war animals to civilians is one of the best ways to increase security. You may choose instead to have civilians train their own war animals. Training is fairly quick even at dabbling and trained animals follow their trainer while still remaining strays (no sadness if the animal dies, but no immediate mood boost from being comforted if unhappy).

* Shamelessly kill off newborn pets to prevent overpopulation. Especially useful on cats. Or put them in a [[cage]] as an [[butchering|emergency food source]]. Caged animals do not breed, block paths or waste CPU power on pathfinding.

* Dogs give a lot of bang for your buck. They are a good source of [[food|meat]]. You just pay 16 bucks for them upon embark. This might be a little bit more than the price of 5 meat (which is 10 bucks) but you have to take into account that they get offspring, son that 20 dogs of the first year might turn into 30 dogs or more in the second year. Slaughtering each dog gives 5 meat, 5 [[bones]], a [[skin|hide]] and a [[skull]]. This as well as the fact that dogs, in contrast to meat don't rot, makes it useful to buy at least some of them upon start. Also you can slaughter dogs at whim, whereas you can't slaughter an owned pet.

* Alternatively, dogs are generally a lot better used as war animals, even if you have a lot of them. Every war animal you have is another defender against goblins, and quite possibly one fewer lost dwarf. If you want an emergency food supply, make a 5x5 room and honeycomb it with ropes. Assign beasts of burden like musk oxen, horses, and the like to them. Chained animals will breed, so you will get offspring, but they will all stay in their little corrall and make finding animals to slaughter very easy.

* Simply put a meeting zone across the entrance to your fort, which will cause stray animals (including war dogs) to wander around in that meeting zone. Any [[thief]] is instantly turned into kibble, and they're quite handy at assisting with smaller sieges too.

==Defense==

An army of peasants is a good thing if you think about it. Churn out a few [[crossbow|crossbows]] and [[ammo|bolts]]. Even copper weapons can take down most sieges you will probably get. -Yanlin
* Don't neglect armor. Leather armor is incredibly easy to make, and masterwork leather armor is as good as iron. Turtle shell can also make very good armor. -ThunderClaw

[[Goblin]] babysnatchers and Kobold thieves. One dog on a [[chain]] will kill them on contact. Especially a war dog. I usually buy a few chains at the embarkment. -Yanlin
* War dogs actualy miss thieves about half the time they reveal them if they can't pursue. Tying a beast of burden to a chain will scare thieves away (they bug out the second they are revealed) with less of a net affect on security. War dogs on chains are as good as dead in a siege. -ThunderClaw

Security. [[traps|Stonefall traps]] at the entrance help. After you need more than that, you probably have more than that. Make weapon traps that shoot or better yet, station [[marksdwarf|marksdwarves]] in [[fortifications]] outside your fort. Make sure to put them in a [[tower]]. -Yanlin
* Interim/second-line defence layout requiring minimal man-hours to assemble; mine out one long entrance tunnel, with doors and fortifications at the very end, one line of traps just inside the entrance to soften them up and another line in front of the defences to mop up whatever your marksdwarves can't kill off in time. Optionally carve fortifications out of both sides of this passage, screened by traps or even a channel, and establish a crossfire. "Crossbows to the left of us, crossbows to the right of us..." -Jake Grey
* Other common security ideas can be a retractable bridge or a pit of grates that drop into a drowning chamber or a cave of spikes. Always make 2 or 3 defensible positions to fall back to in case one is compromised. -ThunderClaw

You might want to bring along a rope and then wall in your fortress entrance so there is only one path. Then set a dog on the rope (Not a cat, those are more useful against vermin) beside the door to stop the sneaky sorts. -Gamerofthegame
* Use a beast of burden instead. Dogs are better spent protecting important civilians. -ThunderClaw

Weapon traps and marksdwarves = survival for most -wendigo
* But not siege-breaking. Remember that unhappiness kills as many dwarves as goblin weapons, so if you turtle up for too long, you'll find your dwarves emoing themselves to death. -ThunderClaw

==Production and efficiency==

[[Glass]]. You want [[sand]] on your map. It is awesome advice to have sand on your map. Remember. Glass is EASY to make especially if you can get a source of [[fuel]] for your forge. You can make almost everything out of glass. If you can get a [[magma glass furnace]], you win. -Yanlin
* Fuel is very hard to mass produce. A large-scale charcoal producing is infeasible because of the distance required for hauling each fallen tree. Coke production is entirely dependant on how much coke-stone you can find. You can request charcoal from the human and dwarven caravans, and coke-stone from the dwarven caravan, but they never bring very much (enough for about 25-30 bars of fuel a year). Glass is nice for producing gems for strange moods on demand (raw glass counts as a gem), but without magma it's not a good use of your limited fuel supplies - metal weapons and armor are much better. -ThunderClaw

[[Iron]]. You want it. If you didn't find iron, I suggest just starting over in another location or if you feel determined, buy it. But it can get costly. -Yanlin
* If you're being beseiged by goblins, you can melt down their armour for iron. -Tenebrais
* I have to agree here. If you have a magma source. Each goblin gives about 3 bars of metal when you melt down the equipment. Also, dwarven and human caravans bring maybe 10 bars or more each if you give it a high priority. Since you only need iron (/steel) for weapons and armour, you can easily survive on a map without iron ore. -Qwertyu
* You can replicate iron with high-quality bone and leatherworkers. Masterwork bone/shell and leather armor is as strong as normal-quality iron equipment. Goblins never carry more than regular quality gear, so if you have a legendary bone or leatherworker you're competing on equal ground unless the goblins are routinely employing steel. Large-scale melting of equipment to get iron is infeasible without magma because each melt job consumes a unit of fuel, which is rare enough as it is. You can import obsidian (much cheaper and lighter than iron ores, so you see more of it per caravan) from the dwarven caravan to get steel-quality swords and use stonecrafting to back up your marksdwarves. While you will not have the grand dwarven military of legend, your armed forces can get along just fine without iron. -ThunderClaw

Common [[barrel]] exploit. Each piece of meat and [[alcohol|booze]] you bring with you, will give you one free barrel. 5 of each can fit in a barrel and if you take 6 of something, you get 2 barrels. Etc. -Flok Speargrabber
* Import barrels from the human and dwarven caravans. They're cheap, come ready made, and eliminate the need to use wood on them. -ThunderClaw

[[turtle|Turtles]] are AWESOME! -Flok Speargrabber
* Be sure to disable bones and [[shells]] in your early outdoor refuse [[stockpile]] so you don't waste turtles' awesomeness. -Someone-else

Bringing a few [[seeds]] of everything along with you is wise. (I suggest bringing plenty of [[plump helmet]] and [[pig tail]] seeds.) -Flok Speargrabber
* The second advice is bad. Just start your [[farm plot|farm]] soon and brew what you can and you will have more seeds than need. As for bringing everything: 1 seed each is enough. [[Rock nuts]] are useless before you have food chain and plenty of bags. -Someone-else
* I don't think bringing more than plump helmet and pig tail to start out with is nessecery. It will be a number of years before you have the labor to mill the other plants in any sort of volume, and seeds are cheap and easy to buy from the caravans. It's a bad idea to come with only 1 seed of your critical pig tail and plump helmet crops, though; if disaster strikes and you somehow do not reclaim the seeds you need from the grown product (accidental cooking, wilting, etc), you're completely out of luck and your dwarves will have to either forage or starve to death. -ThunderClaw

[[immigration|Immigrants]] are good for [[fishing]] that pesky [[carp]]. (Well not really. But they are good for fishing nonetheless.) -blakyoshi7
:If your dwarves need to go to water that contains carp, longnose gar, or other ravenous river creatures, any goon given a crossbow and stationed at least one tile away from the river can keep a fair region of river clear of animals, given a little while. Remember to turn off chasing so they don't run up to the river and get dragged in. -[[User:Heron|Heron]]

Farming. The best source of food. If you don't want to "Cheat" you can just plant a big plump helmet farm. Make sure you don't cook it all though. Make sure at least some goes into booze. Booze and eating raw returns seeds. [[Cooking]] destroys them. Alternatively you can cook the booze. That creates a cheatish infinate supply of food. -Yanlin
*One-crop farming will create a chronic "tired of the same old food/booze" thought in all your dwarves, and hamstring your ability to make higher quality finished goods to keep the peace internally and become a proper economic powerhouse. Variety is the spice of life. After you have a steady, reliable base of plump helmets so starvation is not a problem, expand into other crops, especially Cave Wheat and Dimple Cups. -ThunderClaw

[[Wood]]. You don't really NEED a heavily forested map. Assuming you will make about 100 [[beds]] during 3 years and some barrels, [[bucket|buckets]] and [[bins]], you only need about 500 [[tree|trees]]. Might sound like not enough on a non heavily forested map right? Well wrong. Trees DO grow back. Even a lightly forested map has at least 200 trees from what I could tell. -Yanlin
* If you plan on doing a lot of metalsmithing on a map with no magma, or a lot of clear glass or soap, you will need a lot of wood for charcoal and ash. -Bouchart
* You can also request wood from the human and dwarven caravans, and they'll routinely bring 30-40 logs per year. Unless you have a voracious wood burning demand, the caravans alone can provide more than enough for your needs. Many times I only cut trees to clear for building after the first couple years in my fortresses. -ThunderClaw

Pig tails are good to bring, as a source of booze that your dwarfs won't accidentally eat up before it's turned into it's sweet elixir of happiness. -Overdose

Pigtail makes great booze. It helps keep your dwarves happy and avoid the "Tired of same booze" unhappy thought. -motorbitch

You need [[cloth]] only for [[strange mood|strange moods]]. You can easily buy all the cloth you need and have your [[farmer|farmers]] do more useful work. -motorbitch
* Wrong. Glass industry requires many bags. -Someone-else
* Arguably, if you've got a use for cloth in bulk then you've probably got an export good valuable enough to buy it with and still turn a profit, though a local supply to top it up couldn't hurt. -Jake Grey
* Bags are also needed for milling. Mass importation of cloth allows you to sew images into captured goblin equipment to naturalize it (make it OK to offer it to traders) and allows you to produce ropes and bags at a whim. Plus, buying the bin from traders means you can use less wood on building your own bins. Be sure to buy a decent supply (5-10 parcels) of silk cloth as well. Strange moods will often request it and it's very rare you'll be able to produce it on your own.

Two humped camels are good for farming as they yield a lot. Consider this option to diversify your meals. Also helps if you want to avoid the booze food exploit.- motorbitch

Lopped off body parts create small bones that are rather useless. (Training bolts are never really useless as you should have too many bins anyway.) -motorbitch

You should only put a priority on [[Magma]] if you have the ability to make glass with it. If so, it should be one of your first things. -Gamerofthegame
* Magma also allows you to mass-produce metal weaponry and armor for export or use in weapon traps. It also allows you to process ore as you find it instead of waiting for a demand to smelt and craft it (since fuel use isn't a problem).

Have your [[carpenter]](s) craft a steady flow of beds/barrels/bins -wendigo

Run a [[still]] nonstop. Get those seeds, distill that booze. -wendigo
* If you have many barrels filled with booze and no free ones just cook some beer biscuits. Not only they will make your dwarves happier but also will train your cook and let your brewer continue his work. Don't do this if you have no plants to brew. -Someone-else

Metalworking is desirable, but not crucial. -wendigo

I set every dwarf in the fortress to [[butcher]] and [[skin|tan]]. Its a very high priority job since the corpses and skins will rapidly decay, and by setting every single dwarf to be able to perform this task (skill doesn't matter, a dabbling dwarf does just as well as a legendary dwarf) there's a very high probability it will get done in time. If you have a lot of corpses to process, simply build a bunch of butcher and tanner workshops. -Hyndis

If you find yourself on a map with an abundance of metal ore ''and'' coal or magma, save your wood for beds, ash and the odd strange mood and make as much as you can from metal; it's usually a lot easier to defend and safely access a vein of [[cassiterite]] or a coal seam during sieges than a whole forest. Metal bins also make trading with the elves a bit less laborious. (NB: I would strongly advise you to use up your less useful metals such as tin first, even if you're practically buried in magnetite; a sudden run on crossbow bolts could come at the very worst moment.) -Jake Grey

Speaking of which, don't underestimate the usefulness of elven merchants, as the one thing they're reliable for bringing is cloth, and lots of it. Unless you forbid the use of [[pig tails]] and/or [[rope reed]] for brewing, your still and farmer's workshop will be in direct competition for the same supply, which can lead to shortfalls in one or the other. Apart from the fact that running out of cloth is infinitely preferable to running out of booze, it's also better value for money as an import. -Jake Grey

===Wood is useful for:===
[[Beds]] - [[Bins]] - [[Barrels]] - [[spike|Spikes]] - [[Screw pump|Pump parts]] - [[Windmill|Windmills]] and [[water]] wheels

-Flok Speargrabber

===Stone is good for:===

[[Statues]] - [[chest|Coffers]] - [[cabinet|Cabinets]] - [[Coffins]] - [[trade|Trade goods]] - [[Doors]] - [[Floodgates]] - [[chair|Chairs]] - [[table|Tables]] - [[Blocks]] for [[road|roads]] and [[floor|floors]] (More brick-y than block-y)

-Flok Speargrabber

===Metal is good for:===
[[Weapons]] - [[Armor ]] - Magma-safe stuff - Expensive statues - Noble orders, usually, unless they don't want a special metal item

-Flok Speargrabber

==Performance==

Cats are not as bad as they used to be. Now slaughtering the newborns is easy enough and with the new partial print feature, they are not the huge FPS problem they used to be. They are also, like dogs: a good source of meat and such. -Vaftrudner

Don't bother with clothes. They don't really do anything and lag your FPS because they get checked every moment. Your dwarves wont mind walking around nude and no one is going to judge them about it. (Politically it does not matter.) -motorbitch
*However, dwarves get fairly powerful happy thoughts from satisfying acquisitions and fairly powerful unhappy thoughts from having their clothes fall off. There is usually plenty of labor in a larger fortress to clothe everyone, so unless you have an FPS issue there's no reason not to do it. -ThunderClaw

Bring a cage. Just one. You can use it to stuff your excess creatures. Mainly anything outside two cats and maybe two dogs. -Gamerofthegame

==Special conditions==

You could bring five picks and 300 logs if you're on a treeless map. Just don't make stuff from wood if you can make them from something else. (Stockpile = bad) -Ashery

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==Trading==
I have successfuly traded them Silk items in 0.27.169.32a--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 00:01, 4 November 2007 (EDT)

:Thanks for testing it, I removed the verify tag. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 20:43, 4 November 2007 (EST)

I have to wonder why elves wouldn't accept anything made out of wood, when all they want to trade me is animals in wooden cages, and alcohol in wooden barrels and bows and bolts made out of wood...you know what, almost everything they wanted to trade me was made from wood... --[[User:UltimaGecko|UltimaGecko]] 01:32, 4 November 2007 (EDT)

:It's because the elves ask nicely when they take wood from a tree. Dwarves go out and TAKE IT!--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 14:38, 4 November 2007 (EST)

I accidentally tried to trade a wooden bucket with them. The elves scolded me, but still allowed me to trade my stone mugs and scepters. They don't leave straight away anymore.--[[User:Mechturk|Mechturk]] 01:44, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:Ah, I'm glad they're more forgiving now. Fixed. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 02:14, 5 November 2007 (EST)

::They may rather be bugged now. There is a bug report that offering them something they don't like will make their mood maximally happy. --[[User:Geekwad|Geekwad]] 14:14, 19 November 2007 (EST)

:::Elfs are stupid. I traded some stone crafts for some of their wooden cages, and then i tryed to trade those same wooden cages back and they get angry at me for killing trees! [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 12:09, 1 December 2007 (EST)

What about flours, syrups and the like? Food? The DO buy prepared meals.--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 00:32, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

I've noticed something new which may just be a coincidence - As I scale back my harvesting of wood from local sources (outside) the elves bring me a larger quantity of wood to trade. If I start chopping trees down for roads, etc. then they bring me less. Anyone else notice this? --[[User:Termitehead|Termitehead]] 08:49, 6 May 2008 (CST)

I accidentally offered an elf some wooden items, and after that the Trade option was disabled even after exiting out of the interface and starting a new trading session. Is that supposed to happen? Seems a little harsh to me... --[[User:Theory|Theory]] 14:12, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

== Fortress in Elf Territory ==

I set one up for fun, and so far (1st winter) there's been no effect. The weirdest part is the large number of named trees; I've avoided cutting them down, and the elves haven't bothered me. I've had hunters chase and kill deer right in their midst with no ill effect as well -- it remains to be seen what happens if he misses the deer and hits an elf, though. Will report back when I find something interesting. [[User:Dolohov|Dolohov]] 10:53, 12 November 2007 (EST)

==Pissed-off the elves...==
They seem to be kinda wussy, considering that I confiscated all of their trade caravan's goods (3k in rope reed cloth of various colors and a little bit of alcohol and seeds) and I expected a siege (my fort is in a boring area, and losing is fun) but they won't attack me. I took their junk a season or two ago. When and how will they attack? --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 19:22, 27 November 2007 (EST)

:Elves are wusses now. It's not even known if non-evil races still siege, much less treehugging wusses like elves. -[[User:Kefkakrazy|Kefkakrazy]] 01:09, 28 November 2007 (EST)

::[[Siege]]s from non-evil races have been disabled for now. They'll be back once the war arc is complete. --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 15:10, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

:::I was sieged by humans in I think 39c after a merchant's guild representative was slaughtered by a goblin ambush. [[User:Mingebag|Mingebag]] 01:07, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

==Elves bringing corpses==
The elves usually bring an animal or two in cages to trade, but many times that bring cages full of corpses... It's either all alive, or all corpses. Maybe the animals died in transit? Anybody else have this happen to them?--[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 22:11, 25 December 2007 (EST)

: "It's not dead, it's resting". Er, the humans do this to me too. Pretty sure it's on the known bug list. [[User:Acama|Acama]] 02:17, 30 December 2007 (EST)

:I'm rather certain that if you're in a climate that you can die from exposure, that this is what happens. Have you gotten a shipment of live animals and a shipment of dead ones while at the same site? If not, then this is almost certainly the case. If so, it's possibly a function of a random number and perhaps the extremeness of the climate. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 04:11, 30 December 2007 (EST)

::I seem to recall it being stated that this was due to the caravan passing THROUGH climates where you can die of exposure on the way to your fortress. If the path a civ needs to take runs through freezing or scorching climates, the elves don't give the animals proper temperature care and they die. In contrast, the elves seem to make it through just fine--who knows, maybe the code is slightly different for caravan entities and separate creatures that happen to be carried along with the caravan. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:03, 10 January 2008 (EST)

:I actually prefer this method. I like to trap stuff myself so it makes the cages much cheaper, and the corpse can still be butchered for meat, bones, fat, and skulls. Your butcher will grab the entire cage and take it to the butcher's shop to empty it. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 11:20, 30 December 2007 (EST)

== Elves and Animals ==

Doing some testing with using Elves in fortress mode, it seems that they will NOT be attacked by animals. Do you think we might go as far as to write in this page that [NATURAL]creatures will not attack elves? [[User:Zonk|Zonk]] 11:57, 9 January 2008 (EST)

== Elven warnings ==

The elves just warned me about cutting too many trees... I didn't realize that was still in. --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 17:23, 27 February 2008 (EST)

== Elven traders ==

I have read that if the human caravans are attacked too many times, that the humans will wage war on you. I have also read that if you cut down too many trees, the elves will wage war on you. But if you let the elven traders die, will they also wage war on you? --[[User:Wafl|Wafl]] 22:14, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

:Don't think so, elves got ambushed by gobbies one year and I did nothing to help them. Accidentally saved one of the traders, though, but he starved to death. --[[User:Gh3yz0r|Gh3yz0r]] 19:17, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

==Blood Covering?==

I have sold some items with blood covering with no negative effects... can anyone confirm if it's true or not? [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 04:55, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

I cannot say firsthand, but I've heard in the forums and, I think, elsewhere in the Wiki that blood covering angers the elves.--[[User:RustyMcloon|Rusty Mcloon]] 23:24, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

== Speaking with Halfmen ==

What exactly is the tag that lets you speak with snakemen, ratmen, etcetera? I haven't been able to figure it out as of yet, and I want to add it to a creature I'm making.

In addition, adding the [AT_PEACE_WITH_WILDLIFE] tag didn't stop wolves and bears from ambushing and attacking me; so judging from this that is not the tag that makes them 'immune' to attacks; either that, or the wolves/bears and other large predators ignore that tag. ~ [[User:Midna|Midna]] 15:59, 14 May 2008 (EDT) (Edited later due to forgetting to add nametag)

Animalmen are no longer wildlife in 39e, so they're hostile to elves. Someone should edit the article to express this. --[[User:Neoskel|Neoskel]] 21:40, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

== Elves as of .39c ==

I feel the Elves went under a pretty big overhaul in the latest version. They've turned into tree huggers who do little else but complain, to zerging cannibals who dominate worlds when given enough time. Also little things, like Elves regrowing trees around captured sites, in addition to the aforementioned personality changes, may warrant it's own section, and/or editing.

== Elven Ambushes ==

While they may not seige, They do preform Ambushes.

And I noticed something quite strange...

They ambushed with Mounts. I saw a swarm of Unicorns heading torwards my location. There where no unicorns on my map, so I sent my military to meet them, and when battle was engaged, it said "An Ambush!" And, for each Unicorn, there was also an elf (on the same square)

I'm not sure where to put this in the article though. I've been ambushed by non-mounted elves several times as well. Maybe a new section "Amubsh/Seige habits?"

:I've seen Elves ambush on unicorns too (version 0.28.181.39e), and they had no qualms about slaughtering the puppies I had tied to chains outside -[[User:Namako|Namako]] 14:09, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

== Elven Trading as of Latest Version ==

It seems to me that the elves are much, much more tolerant than before as to what items they will accept. So far I've successfully given them leather, bone, and shell crafts just fine. I have also tried offering them the same branch of items, and they will happily accept them. They even accept items that have blood on them. They will still reject pure wooden goods.
I haven't fully tested skulls, soap, or other animal byproducts yet. But if I were to hazard a guess, I would say they still will reject any item that has wood involved in it's creation, or any item with decorations of wood.
[[User:Lightning4|Lightning4]] 09:37, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

== How do I kill elves? ==

I don't like elves in my fortress and I would like to kill them with my thirty axedwarfs, how would I go about doing this? – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:TheLastBarber|TheLastBarber]]

:You can only attack people who have come to your fortress with ill intent. Anger them enough (cut down trees, take their stuff, involve their merchants in unfortunate "accidents", etc.) and they should send forces to attack you, whereupon you can finally take joy in the slaughter. --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 15:39, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

::You can also kill Elves that have gone insane, but that would require imprisoning them for a considerable length of time.--[[User:Stryc9fuego|Stryc9fuego]] 14:08, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

== Last edit ==

I've have heard extensive talking about how elves eat the dead. A note to this effect was removed in the last update, can anyone confirm/deny this behavior? [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 18:45, 28 October 2008 (EDT)