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40d Talk:Murky pool

2008-05-02T19:06:24Z

Dwarven Gemologist: Can a murky pool be re-designated?

"Drinking from a murky pool will give dwarves an unhappy thought."

But drinking from a well that is fed by a murky pool via a channel is okay?

Yes it works exactly like that. [[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 17:13, 12 February 2008 (EST)

"Murky pool can (will?) completely drain in summer."

This detail needs clarification. According to my experience, it varies by the temperature of the region; I believe spading is in order. [[User:Eurytus|Eurytus]] 9:58, 2 April 2008 (EST)

== Can a murky pool be re-designated? ==

I accidentally dug into the bottom of an outdoor pool (darn diagonals) and the pool drained into my silt/loam farming rooms. After the water dried out (adding a muddy element to my farms) I was left with the murky pool. Can't build a farm plot on it. Before removing it, I was wondering if I covered it by adding floor above it, could it be used somehow when it changes from outdoor to inside?--[[User:Dwarven Gemologist|Gemmy]] 15:06, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Your first fortress

2008-04-23T17:35:16Z

Dwarven Gemologist: /* Office not required to meet with liaison */

== Content from [[Getting started]] ==

The goal of this page is to explain in detail, and for newbies, how to:
#Generate a world (possibly from a seed)(probably will link to article(s) on the topic)
#Pick a fortress location
#Name your fortress and starting group
#Buy skills and items, for the biome type picked in #2 (probably will give the newbie build from the [[starting builds]] page)
#Play the first month or two of the game, for the biome type picked in #2
I don't know how to write an article that does this, but I do know that this is what this article should be. 
--[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:19, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

I'd like to avoid having an overabundance of tutorial articles again. It sounds to me like all of the above would fit into [[Your first fortress]] just as easily. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 12:00, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

:Should we go ahead and just #redirect it?--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 12:07, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

::Done. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 12:14, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

== Wall of text ==
I think the "Beginning the Fortress" section isn't very pleasant to read. The bullet points help a bit, but I think numbered ones (matching the "TOC" above it) would be a bit more helpful. I'd however prefer to split the steps using numbered headlines, then it'd clearly define each step and automatically be indexed at the top. Thoughts? --[[User:TwoD|TwoD]] 13:03, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
:That's beyond me, but anyone who can should feel free to clean it up and make it as readable as possible. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 01:37, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

== Skill choices ==

I know skill choices are largely a matter of preference, but the inclusion of a Bookkeeper, Manager, Expedition Leader, and Broker in the landing party definitely merit a mention, as well as whether or not a beginning player should throw a few skill points at improving his Broker's and Leader's key skills. Being able to talk that first dwarven caravan into throwing some extra sides of meat in could mean the difference in survival for a newer player.--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:29, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:I agree with this. When I make a new Caravan, I often make a Leader-type with ONLY leader/trade related skills. Even just having the ability to SEE the values of the items (even if you have them memorized) helps aid in making a good first-year trade session. And the first-year Dwarven caravan doesn't expect a large profit. I've done large deals with them that only netted them a 10-coin profit. --[[User:Nekojin|Nekojin]] 12:45, 14 November 2007 (EST)

I think good bridging points are the seasons and end of the years; To aid readability and to separate into chunks, I think a listing of 'things to accomplish by winter', 'things to accomplish by spring (your first immingants!)', that sort of thing -- To avoid having a gigantic page, it might be better to split them off into "your first year", "your second year", especially because the gameplay changes signifiantly when you start getting nobles and your construction focus starts to shift from mere survival into making your dwarves happy, trading, and onward to economy and such. If people are interested in taking this approach, I'd certainly help with the writing. [[User:Bhodi|Bhodi]] 13:10, 4 November 2007 (EST)

== Recording a Movie ==

I was thinking that someone could record a movie following the steps given here, as a visual aid. As DF is very structure-based it would help to visualize how the fortress is supposed to look. [[User:Memo|Memo]] 15:13, 4 November 2007 (EST)

== Buying Skills & Items ==

The caravan is by no means guaranteed to bring an anvil the first year. (Out of ten games started and played through first year, I think I've gotten an anvil twice.) You can request one from the liason, though. I'd edit the entry myself, but I'm not certain how to word it without totally changing that whole paragraph.--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 15:41, 11 November 2007 (EST)

:I think that Humans always bring an anvil or two, but I may be wrong. [[User:Memo|Memo]] 17:02, 11 November 2007 (EST)
:: You are not correct, Memo. I've had fortresses that have gone anvil-less for 2 years before a Dwarven Caravan finally brought one (brought three, actually). Edit: The first year's caravans (Fall Dwarven, Spring Elven, and Summer Human) are largely randomized. I've seen vastly different products being brought in on all three of those, with roughly similar settlements and trade requests. --[[User:Nekojin|Nekojin]] 12:18, 14 November 2007 (EST)

== Food and Trading ==

:Is it just me, or is it much easier to teach people how to trade for food than it is to farm/grow/brew? I find one dedicated stonecrafter is more than enough to purchase all the food that can be possibly thrown at you, and will likely even be legendary by the time the second trade caravan comes along. For a "newb strategy" this might be the way to go instead of trying to explain floodgates and channels right off the bat. [[User:Weasello|Weasello]] 10:50, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

== Office not required to meet with liaison ==

I met him in my barracks with no office built. :) --[[User:Danny Rathjens|Danny Rathjens]] 02:00, 7 April 2008 (EDT)
:I confirm. When I forgot to assign office to my Exp leader, he conducted meeting with liaison at meeting hall (designated from well)--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 03:46, 7 April 2008 (EDT)

::I also confirm, my leader's thoughts included 'was embarassed to hold a meeting in a dining room'.--[[User:Dwarven Gemologist|Gemmy]] 13:35, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

== Dwarf with appropriate skills not necessarily the leader ==

I used a skill assignment similar to those recommended here and my presumptive leader with mining/judge of intent/consoler/appraiser/record-keeper/organizer was passed over for the weaponsmith/armorsmith. He was assigned outpost leader, manager, trader, and bookkeeper despite not having a single appropriate skill. And to really rub it it in, one of his traits is "never speaks out or attempts to direct activities." At least I was able to switch the jobs other than leader back to the right dwarf for the job (and I'm forcing the smith to smooth stone all day for his presumption.) One other factor that may have been involved is that the smith is friends with 5 others and the intended boss-dwarf has but one friend and one grudge. --[[User:Danny Rathjens|Danny Rathjens]] 02:12, 7 April 2008 (EDT)

== Moving refuse stockpile inside ==

Section about stockpiles recommends moving all stockpiles inside as soon as possible. It's wrong thing as it creates miasma if not handled properly. Best thing that can be done is either making custom stockpiles - one for bones/shells/skulls (inside, near craftdwarf shop) and one for rest (outside, near tanner), designing special anti-miasma room for refuse or order dwarves to dump rotting things into water/magma/chasm etc.

User:Dwarven Gemologist

2008-03-19T17:44:14Z

Dwarven Gemologist: New page: '''Gemmy the Dwarven Gemologist''' {| class="wikitable" |- Gemmy has recently played DF until 1am. He has been disgusted at the cost of gasoline lately. He has played 'Age of Mytholo...

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Ever wondered what plume agate looks like? 
I put up a website with some pictures of what the different gems in DF. 
Check it out here: [http://www.geocities.com/dwarven.gemologist]

40d Talk:Gem

2008-03-17T05:05:49Z

Dwarven Gemologist: /* What the various gems look like in real life */

So... What's the difference between large gems and cut gems? [[User:Xaque|Xaque]] 09:42, 7 November 2007 (EST)
:Large gems are a "finished produce." Cut gems are used to decorate stuff [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:12, 9 November 2007 (EST)

most of the gems have specific environments, but it would be a huge pain to organize it [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:12, 9 November 2007 (EST)

Toady One said under such metals as [[Bismuth bronze]] that he was trying to avoid using names specific to real-world places. I see several gems where he wasn't able to avoid it. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 23:10, 9 November 2007 (EST)

== Glass bar ==
:''However, this appears to requires a Glass Bar, which is not possible to create at the current time.''
I'll have to double check this when I get back to the machine with dwarf fortress on it - but I seem to recall being able to make 'raw glass' which made a glass block.
I would also suggest changing the redirect for glass to gem - there is a significant amount of material that is unique to glass that is not appropriate for gems in general. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 03:22, 10 November 2007 (EST)

== Availability ==
Alright, during my hours of game play, I've found out that depth(in z-levels) and the maximum rarity/value of available gems within the current layer are connected. The deeper you dig, the more valuable gems you'll find. However... With modding I've discovered that it's impossible to find very valuable metamorphic, sedimentary and igneous extrusive only gems. Since those layers never reach the necessary depth. It also means that more valuable metamorphic, sedimentary and igneous extrusive only gems are a lot more rarer than their igneous intrusive counter parts. Could anyone conform this? [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 13:29, 20 November 2007 (EST)
:Whoops! I messed up the layers! Fixed it. Oh, and the rarity of a gem seems to be dependent on it's value. [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 08:58, 21 November 2007 (EST)
:Have you tried maps with steep cliffs? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 14:37, 21 November 2007 (EST)
::I haven't run tests on steeper than 4 Z-level cliffs, but from what I gather, the maximum rarity of gems available at the any given depth is calculated based on the relative depth not absolute depth. Meaning that, wherever you are, you need to dig the same amount of Z-levels to reach any specific rarity of gems. It's the same as stone layers. If there's a cliff within a biome, then the underlaying layers will begin at a higher Z-level below the cliff, depending on high the cliff is. I hope, that I'm not too confusing here... [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 08:38, 22 November 2007 (EST)
:::I suspect it may work by the listed depth. The number that shows up when you loo{{k|k}} at a tile, which refers how many levels you would need to count directly upward to reach the surface. On a severe cliff map you can easily have a "depth" of 15+ among the sedimentary layers. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 16:36, 23 November 2007 (EST)

== Rock crystal ==

Can anyone confirm that this gem can be found in this version? In what stone layers/at what depth did you find one? It's material value should better be like that of a diamond because raw crystal glass is needed for moods from time to time.--[[User:Another|Another]] 09:38, 22 November 2007 (EST)

According to forum, people have round it [[User:Coelocanth|Coelocanth]] 12:24, 23 November 2007 (EST)

== Redirects ==

There should be a redirect for each gem type to the subsection containing that gem. For example, I just created [[Heliodor]] as <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Gem#Semi-Precious]]</nowiki>. IMO, any game item should go straight from the search box to the most relevant article: that is what redirects do.
So <s>if</s> when a whole slew of redirects show up linking here... yeah, ididit.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 04:55, 11 February 2008 (EST)

== What the various gems look like in real life ==

I got bored one afternoon and put together a website with pictures of most of the various gems listed in the game. It is located at [http://www.geocities.com/dwarven.gemologist]
--[[User:Dwarven Gemologist|Gemmy]] 16:04, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

:<nowiki>http://www.geocities.com/dwarven.gemologist/gems.html</nowiki>
:"Sorry, the page you requested was not found." --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 18:00, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

Wow, I thought after ten years of building websites that I would automatically double check my links. It's fixed now. --[[User:Dwarven Gemologist|Gemmy]] 01:05, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Gem

2008-03-14T20:04:46Z

Dwarven Gemologist: /* What the various gems look like in real life */

40d Talk:Gem

2008-03-14T20:03:17Z

Dwarven Gemologist: What the various gems look like in real life

40d Talk:Fish

2008-02-29T23:03:52Z

Dwarven Gemologist: Flopping lungfish

== Carp Drag dwarves to their doom? ==

I have had Carp drag dwarves to their doom on several occasions, but I was not focusing on it when it happened. Can someone tell me how this happens? The dwarves in question were interrupted during stockpile jobs, which probably means they were carting trash to my refuse pile, which is 5 tiles from the nearest river tile, and yet I find them at the bottom of the river after I get a message that they have bled to death!
Are the Carp somehow chasing dwarves down and dragging them into the river? Is there a new tentacle-carp?
:Old bug which should be fixed in 33c. Carps were getting insanely powerfull by raising their swimming skill. If you start a new game with 33c, it won't happen again. If you are using 33c already, it's probaby a remnant of an old save you've ported from version to version. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:52, 28 November 2007 (EST)

attacking occurs in the 8 directions to the side, plus 8 up or down diagonaly and straight up/down(you can see this attacking down stairs in adventure mode) thus, a dwarf on the shore of a river can be attacked by a carp in the river, and with wrestling this can result in the dwarf ending up on top of the carp in the river [[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 18:59, 28 November 2007 (EST)

==Pearl==

It says you can get pearls from mussels and oysters. My dwarves have eaten them (processed and raw) and I've had plenty rot away, but I never got any pearls. Anyone have any info on this? [[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 21:33, 28 November 2007 (EST)

== Prepared but not eaten ==

My [[dwarves|darling inhabitants]] are for some reason, [[fishing]] and preparing the fish at their [[fishery]] - but although I have huge stockpiles of raw fish, it never gets prepared at the [[kitchen]] nor eaten.

What am I missing here?
[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:15, 31 January 2008 (EST)

:I assume you've checked that the cook option is enabled on the fish in the food menu. So unless you've got a HUGE supply of other foods, I'm not sure why they're not being cooked. Though, to be honest, I've never specifically seen fish cooked as I never make fishing a significant food source for my forts. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 17:59, 31 January 2008 (EST)

::Well, when such a huge portion of my migrants are fishing-inclined the raw fish just accumulates without any effort on my behalf... it's more like I can't make it not happen rather than I made it happen! my dwarves are hunting vermin when they have barrel after barrel of raw fish and a chef saying there is no food to cook when I ask him to prepare meals of any quality. And the fishery with its stockpiles are right next to the kitchen, which is right nearby my fields. :( [[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 04:17, 1 February 2008

:::Are you absolutely sure it's being prepared at the [[fishery]] by the "fish cleaning" job? I ask because you mention "raw fish" is available, which cannot be eaten. Raw fish isn't automatically converted to a usable state. You will have to continually keep setting the fish cleaning job to keep processing the raw fish. Even if you set the fish cleaning job to repeat it will eventually be canceled when there are no more raw fish, and need to be set again at some point. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 00:16, 1 February 2008 (EST)

::Thanks Janus. For some reason, even though I had a stockpile containing several barrels of raw turtle, '''and''' the job "prepare raw fish" was set to repeat.... nobody was doing it. I cancelled the job and reset it - lo and behold my fish cleaners got to work.
::Now I know that ''raw'' fish does not equal ''uncooked'' fish.
::Still not clear on the distinction between:
::*[[fish cleaner]]
::*[[fish dissector]]
::but I'm continuing to look at it.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 07:09, 5 February 2008 (EST)
:::Fish cleaners prepare fish for use as food. Fish dissectors extract other things from fish, ruining them for use as food. -[[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 08:49, 5 February 2008 (EST)

== Flopping lungfish ==

I was recently digging out a new stone storage room from a soft dirt area. I checked back to add the stone storage zone and spotted a lungfish flopping around on the floor. There was no wet stone, no bodies of water nearby, and no misplaced messages. I caught it in a movie, so I may find a place to share it someday.