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40d:Pregenerated worlds/0.27.176.38c

2008-06-08T11:59:51Z

Doniazade: /* Onra Kisnast, a near-perfect 0-reject world */

===Quick Seed===

Seed: 20 
Dimensions: 257x257 
Name: Random 
OS: Windows XP 

Result: A 0-reject world. Two interesting features I've noticed thus far are an island with what appears to be a volcano and freezing terrain and a single square volcano in the middle of an ocean/lake. I'd note mineral distribution, but I'm not quite as interested in Fortress mode as I am in Adventurer mode. 

===Unsiegeable Mini-Island===

Seed: 111121519

Dimensions: 257x257

OS: Vista (might work on other OS)

[[Image:Islandthingernosiegeyay.png]]

A mini-island formed by several rivers and a lake (You can't see it on the embark screen, but I assure you, it is there). Completely unsiegeable nine months of the year, while still allowing access to Human/Elf traders. You may have to wall off the edges to stay safe in Winter, but on the plus side the Goblins will fall into the lake in the spring.

Aside from that, there's not much else here.

* '''Trees''': Yes.
* '''Sand''': Directly under the lake is some black sand. Try to dig on the highest layer possible to avoid the aquifer.
* '''Aquifer''': Yes, but for some odd reason there's stone directly above it, and there's usually a stone cluster you can dig through.
* '''Soil''': Yes, but on the far side of the lake, so it may be easier just to flood some rock if you want a farm.
* '''Iron''': Haven't seen any, nor have I used reveal to check, but there's lots of Sedimentary rock, so there's a good chance of it.
* '''Metals''': I've seen a vein of Zinc and some Copper, but again, I haven't Revealed to check the full potential.
* '''Fuel''': Plenty of trees, and I think there was a vein of coal somewhere.
* '''Bauxite''': A big cluster on the island. While there's no magma here, you can use this to breach the aquifer.
* '''Neighboring Civs''': All.

* '''Does not have''': Adamantine, Magma, Underground water, Chasm, Cave, Flux, Obsidian, or Undead.

Oh, and there's a lot of rejects. I can't remember how many, it was at least a hundred, maybe two hundred, but most of them are fast rejects. --[[User:Untelligent|Untelligent]] 22:20, 28 February 2008 (EST)

=== Smata Xomlox, The Realm of Typhoons ===

This is a 4x6 location with basically every major resource. Ground is from level 147 to 152. Cliffs are no taller than 2, surroundings are wilderness and temperature is warm. 
If you don't need an underground lake, you can trim it to 4x5 by taking off the top north side and still get everything else.
[[Image:Realm of typhoons location.png]]
* '''Seed''': 3593291792 It has only 1 reject.
* '''Adamantine''': In the middle east side.
* '''Magma''': Pipe in the south side from bottom to level 144, not seen from surface.
* '''River''': Runs from the northeast to the south side.
* '''Underground lake''': In the north, not seen from surface.
* '''Chasm''': Yes in the west, not seen from surface.
* '''Cave''': Named cave called Elbowgloom with an ettin and some giant moles in the west, south of chasm.
* '''Trees''': More than you'll ever need.
* '''Sand''': Yes, yellow and black in the northwest.
* '''Soil''': Yes.
* '''Iron''': Hematite veins in obsidian.
* '''Metals''': Ore for every metal except zinc present.
* '''Flux''': Lots of marble (few levels below sand).
* '''Fuel''': None, but there are enough trees.
* '''Bauxite''': None.
* '''Obsidian''': You can dig an entire fortress in it.
* '''Neighboring Civs''': All.
Found by: --[[User:DFD|DFD]] 09:09, 3 March 2008 (EST)

=== Smata Xestsu, The Realm of Enchantments ===

[[Image: SmataXestsu.jpg]]

This 3x6 location has almost all features the game has to offer. Here we have magma, a river, a cave river, an underground lake, iron, flux, sand, adamantine, a chasm, and an optional cave. Cliffs range from 1 to 3. The Temperature is Scorching, the Trees are Woodland, Other Vegetation is Moderate, and the Surroundings are either Calm or Sinister. If you want a cave with a minotaur you can expand the area two tiles north to make a 5x6 location. Likewise, if you don't need the underground lake or cave river you can reduce the area by two tiles to the south to make a 2x6 location.
* '''Seed''': 1321093328 with 3 rejects.
* '''Adamantine''': In the top left side.
* '''Magma''': Pipe on the far right on levels 140 to 144 (not seen from surface).
* '''River''': Runs along left side.
* '''Underground lake''': On the bottom side of the map.
* '''Chasm''': On the left, south of the Pits.
* '''Cave''': (Optional) On the top of the map. Its name is Osmatgened Aloakon, "Heartdepth the Harmonious Shadows".
* '''Trees''': Enough to support full scale steel operation.
* '''Sand''': Plenty, its the black kind.
* '''Soil''': A bit in the bottom right of the map.
* '''Iron''': A great amount scattered around in Hematite veins.
* '''Metals''': Lots of Copper (Native, Malachite, and Tetrahedrite), Lots of Silver (Native, and Tetrahedrite, Galena), Lots of Gold, some Aluminum, some Lead (Galena), some Tin (Cassiterite), no Bismuth, no Nickel, no Platinum, and no Zinc .
* '''Flux''': Enourmous amount of Marble.
* '''Fuel''': None.
* '''Bauxite''': None.
* '''Obsidian''': Just what is around the magma.
* '''Neighboring Civs''': All.
Found by: --[[Sartoris]] 6 March 2008

=== Adelaanenu, The Wondrous Planet ===

[[Image:Adelaanenu.jpg]]

This is a very dangerous site; 2x5 area so it should run well... especially if you kill all the creatures.

This is the smallest I've been able to get a site in the new version while maintaining all the features that I look for: magma, pits, cave river, bauxite, fuel, iron and flux. The only thing missing that I like to have is sand, but the rest of it makes up for it.

Note that this map is on a TERRIFYING biome, and it has a group of cave creatures living near the chasm in the south that will make short work of your dwarves if you let them. Your dwarves may spawn next to these cave creatures, so this site is not recommended for beginning players.

* '''Seed''': 3988471772 with 67 rejects.
* '''Adamantine''': In the southwest corner.
* '''Magma pipe''': Northwest corner; surface of pool is below ground in elevation 146, and runs to bottom of map.
* '''Cave river''': Surface is slightly to west on elevation 148.
* '''Chasm''': Visible from surface, southeast corner.
* '''Trees''': North portion of map. Can grow tower caps underground once cave river has been uncovered.
* '''Soil''': North portion of map.
* '''Iron''': Large chunks of magnetite in layer 146, and another big chunk below in layer 142, large veins of hematite in several layers.
* '''Metals''': LARGE Platinum vein through magnetite on layer 146 and other small deposits, Copper (Native and Tetrahedrite), Silver (Galena), Gold, Aluminum, Lead (Galena), no Tin, no Bismuth, no Nickel, and no Zinc .
* '''Flux''': Seven layers of chalk in northern part of map.
* '''Fuel''': Elevation 140, west of magma pipe (from very west edge of map to very north edge of map).
* '''Bauxite''': 142 and 145, right and left sides of magma pipe.
* '''Obsidian''': Around magma pipe.
* '''Neighboring Civs''': All.
Found by: --[[Bharani]] March 7 2008

=== The Everlasting Dimensions ===

[[Image:1868528756.png]]

This is a pretty full-packed location. It has Adamantine, a magma vent and pool, a cave river and lake with dozens of critters within, a chasm, a complex cave system, which is 10 z-levels deep (packed full of critters and inhabited by a Dragon), marble for flux, hematite for iron (accessible from the surface), sand and some sparse trees.

If you don't need the magma vent and don't need as many chasm tiles, you can get away with a 4x3 map. The world should be pretty fast to generate...has only a few rejects, IIRC.

:Confirmed; only one reject on this one.

* '''Seed''': 1868528756
Found by: --[[Zagibu]] March 8 2008

===Minbazushul, a world without goblins===

[[Image:Minbazushul.gif|thumb|right|Click on the picture to enlarge]]

* '''Small World''' (65*65), '''Seed''': 3231003462 Yes, a world without Goblins. They only have two fortresses in the north-east corner of the world, and are unable to pass through the mountains that separate them from the civilized areas.
*Location: There is one very good location in this world with trees in plenty, sand, flux, a Volcano, an underground river, Bauxite and Adamatite, in a 5x2 area. If you expand it to 9x2 you also get a chasm. But be careful, it is quite easy to accidentally to dig into the *HIDDEN FUN STUFF*.

Found by: [[User:Zara|Zara]] 07:46, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

===A cool World with Everything===

256x256 map Seed: 2850307753

Move North West from starting map location until to see a vent in the middle of the forest. Go to that square and you will see that the vent has caused a small mountain to form. If you select the whole mountain (a bit large) you will get the following:

- A chasm seperating the lower third of the map, but it is below ground, so you can easily access both sides.

- The Southern 3rd is rich with gold, iron and adamantine. Normally that is enough to be great.... but then there is....

What could possibly be the most fun "sandbox" collection of features in the north two 3rds of the mountian. In this section you get:

- A cave river north of the chasm

- A very deep caldera Pond with very active spiders (good source of silk)

- A modestly hidden magma vent.. though selecting mining will reveal some surface warm stone. It is right next to the caldera lake...

- A Kobold Cave just north of both features with two legendary Kobolds in residence.

... Ever wanted to flood out a passel of kobolds? Burn them in firey magma? Poach them in boiling hot steam? Or just go to war? Here is where you can do it!!! Lots of valuables scattered about as well.

I keep reloading this map and playing with various scenarios.... it is all kinds of fun packed in one somewhat large map! Enjoy!

===World of EVIL!===

Seed: 175553852

===The Dimensions of Legend===
[[Image:DimensionsOfLegend 1.JPG|thumb|right|Click on the picture to enlarge]]
[TITLE:STANDARD]
[SEED:3909091239]
[DIM:257:257]

There are a few interesting locations that I've noticed so far...

Location 1: Volcano, Adamantine, above ground river, and chasm, in a 4x4 area, plus trees and farmable land (sand).
Location 2: Island (so no Goblins) with Volcano and '''terrifying lake'''. Again, sand, trees, freshwater.
[[Image:DimensionsOfLegend 2.JPG|thumb|right|Click on the picture to enlarge]]
Location 3: '''Haunted''' mountains with volcano, adamantine, underground lakes, aboveground rivers, chasms... Next to a forest/plains area with trees.
[[Image:DimensionsOfLegend 3.JPG|thumb|right|Click on the picture to enlarge]]
Other areas of note: a Volcanic oceanic island, a mirthful mountain range (with volcanic features, just above Location 3), and a few random volcanos in a forest.

===Xah Rabin - The Dimension of Omen===

Seed: 4112576623 
Dimensions: 129x129 
Name: Random 
OS: Windows XP 

===Thadar Thran, a world that also misses a civilization ===

[[Image:Thadar Thran.png|thumb|right|Click on the picture to enlarge]]

* '''Small World''' (65*65), '''Seed''': 521709640 Again, a world in which different civilizations are living on the different sides of the mountains. The Humans live in the north-east corner in the ''Veiled Hills'', the Elves and Goblins live in (and at) the western ''Forest of Wiping'' and the ''Dull Jungle''. The Dwarfs have settled both sides of the mountains.
*Location: Basically, the western forests would be totally uninteresting - who needs Elves and Goblins anyway - if it wasn't for a perfect location in a 3x7 area. A volcano, a cave lake, a cave river, a chasm; Enough Obsidian to build half a fortress in it, two kinds of flux (Dolomite and Limestone), sand, sufficient trees, Bauxite, Adamantite, plenty of coal, iron and copper and ALL other types of ore. Just don't expect any human traders to visit you.

Found by: [[User:Zara|Zara]] 20:36, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

===Onra Kisnast, a near-perfect 0-reject world===

[[Image:343432.PNG|thumb|right|Click on the picture to enlarge]]

[TITLE:MEDIUM]
[SEED:343432]
[DIM:129:129]

'''Contents:'''
*Size: 5x4
*Calm
*Warm
*Surface river
*Underground river
*Plenty of trees
*Magma pipe
*Hidden fun stuff
*Chasm(top-open with creatures - watch out)
*Flux(lots)
*Sand(white)
*Bauxite(lots)
*Iron(lots, magnetite deposits open to the surface)
*Coal
*Obsidian
*All civs
*Flat surface - only 3 z-levels of elevation

Found by: Event Spire

40d:Pregenerated worlds/0.27.176.38c

2008-06-08T11:44:11Z

Doniazade:

===Quick Seed===

Seed: 20 
Dimensions: 257x257 
Name: Random 
OS: Windows XP 

Result: A 0-reject world. Two interesting features I've noticed thus far are an island with what appears to be a volcano and freezing terrain and a single square volcano in the middle of an ocean/lake. I'd note mineral distribution, but I'm not quite as interested in Fortress mode as I am in Adventurer mode. 

===Unsiegeable Mini-Island===

Seed: 111121519

Dimensions: 257x257

OS: Vista (might work on other OS)

[[Image:Islandthingernosiegeyay.png]]

A mini-island formed by several rivers and a lake (You can't see it on the embark screen, but I assure you, it is there). Completely unsiegeable nine months of the year, while still allowing access to Human/Elf traders. You may have to wall off the edges to stay safe in Winter, but on the plus side the Goblins will fall into the lake in the spring.

Aside from that, there's not much else here.

* '''Trees''': Yes.
* '''Sand''': Directly under the lake is some black sand. Try to dig on the highest layer possible to avoid the aquifer.
* '''Aquifer''': Yes, but for some odd reason there's stone directly above it, and there's usually a stone cluster you can dig through.
* '''Soil''': Yes, but on the far side of the lake, so it may be easier just to flood some rock if you want a farm.
* '''Iron''': Haven't seen any, nor have I used reveal to check, but there's lots of Sedimentary rock, so there's a good chance of it.
* '''Metals''': I've seen a vein of Zinc and some Copper, but again, I haven't Revealed to check the full potential.
* '''Fuel''': Plenty of trees, and I think there was a vein of coal somewhere.
* '''Bauxite''': A big cluster on the island. While there's no magma here, you can use this to breach the aquifer.
* '''Neighboring Civs''': All.

* '''Does not have''': Adamantine, Magma, Underground water, Chasm, Cave, Flux, Obsidian, or Undead.

Oh, and there's a lot of rejects. I can't remember how many, it was at least a hundred, maybe two hundred, but most of them are fast rejects. --[[User:Untelligent|Untelligent]] 22:20, 28 February 2008 (EST)

=== Smata Xomlox, The Realm of Typhoons ===

This is a 4x6 location with basically every major resource. Ground is from level 147 to 152. Cliffs are no taller than 2, surroundings are wilderness and temperature is warm. 
If you don't need an underground lake, you can trim it to 4x5 by taking off the top north side and still get everything else.
[[Image:Realm of typhoons location.png]]
* '''Seed''': 3593291792 It has only 1 reject.
* '''Adamantine''': In the middle east side.
* '''Magma''': Pipe in the south side from bottom to level 144, not seen from surface.
* '''River''': Runs from the northeast to the south side.
* '''Underground lake''': In the north, not seen from surface.
* '''Chasm''': Yes in the west, not seen from surface.
* '''Cave''': Named cave called Elbowgloom with an ettin and some giant moles in the west, south of chasm.
* '''Trees''': More than you'll ever need.
* '''Sand''': Yes, yellow and black in the northwest.
* '''Soil''': Yes.
* '''Iron''': Hematite veins in obsidian.
* '''Metals''': Ore for every metal except zinc present.
* '''Flux''': Lots of marble (few levels below sand).
* '''Fuel''': None, but there are enough trees.
* '''Bauxite''': None.
* '''Obsidian''': You can dig an entire fortress in it.
* '''Neighboring Civs''': All.
Found by: --[[User:DFD|DFD]] 09:09, 3 March 2008 (EST)

=== Smata Xestsu, The Realm of Enchantments ===

[[Image: SmataXestsu.jpg]]

This 3x6 location has almost all features the game has to offer. Here we have magma, a river, a cave river, an underground lake, iron, flux, sand, adamantine, a chasm, and an optional cave. Cliffs range from 1 to 3. The Temperature is Scorching, the Trees are Woodland, Other Vegetation is Moderate, and the Surroundings are either Calm or Sinister. If you want a cave with a minotaur you can expand the area two tiles north to make a 5x6 location. Likewise, if you don't need the underground lake or cave river you can reduce the area by two tiles to the south to make a 2x6 location.
* '''Seed''': 1321093328 with 3 rejects.
* '''Adamantine''': In the top left side.
* '''Magma''': Pipe on the far right on levels 140 to 144 (not seen from surface).
* '''River''': Runs along left side.
* '''Underground lake''': On the bottom side of the map.
* '''Chasm''': On the left, south of the Pits.
* '''Cave''': (Optional) On the top of the map. Its name is Osmatgened Aloakon, "Heartdepth the Harmonious Shadows".
* '''Trees''': Enough to support full scale steel operation.
* '''Sand''': Plenty, its the black kind.
* '''Soil''': A bit in the bottom right of the map.
* '''Iron''': A great amount scattered around in Hematite veins.
* '''Metals''': Lots of Copper (Native, Malachite, and Tetrahedrite), Lots of Silver (Native, and Tetrahedrite, Galena), Lots of Gold, some Aluminum, some Lead (Galena), some Tin (Cassiterite), no Bismuth, no Nickel, no Platinum, and no Zinc .
* '''Flux''': Enourmous amount of Marble.
* '''Fuel''': None.
* '''Bauxite''': None.
* '''Obsidian''': Just what is around the magma.
* '''Neighboring Civs''': All.
Found by: --[[Sartoris]] 6 March 2008

=== Adelaanenu, The Wondrous Planet ===

[[Image:Adelaanenu.jpg]]

This is a very dangerous site; 2x5 area so it should run well... especially if you kill all the creatures.

This is the smallest I've been able to get a site in the new version while maintaining all the features that I look for: magma, pits, cave river, bauxite, fuel, iron and flux. The only thing missing that I like to have is sand, but the rest of it makes up for it.

Note that this map is on a TERRIFYING biome, and it has a group of cave creatures living near the chasm in the south that will make short work of your dwarves if you let them. Your dwarves may spawn next to these cave creatures, so this site is not recommended for beginning players.

* '''Seed''': 3988471772 with 67 rejects.
* '''Adamantine''': In the southwest corner.
* '''Magma pipe''': Northwest corner; surface of pool is below ground in elevation 146, and runs to bottom of map.
* '''Cave river''': Surface is slightly to west on elevation 148.
* '''Chasm''': Visible from surface, southeast corner.
* '''Trees''': North portion of map. Can grow tower caps underground once cave river has been uncovered.
* '''Soil''': North portion of map.
* '''Iron''': Large chunks of magnetite in layer 146, and another big chunk below in layer 142, large veins of hematite in several layers.
* '''Metals''': LARGE Platinum vein through magnetite on layer 146 and other small deposits, Copper (Native and Tetrahedrite), Silver (Galena), Gold, Aluminum, Lead (Galena), no Tin, no Bismuth, no Nickel, and no Zinc .
* '''Flux''': Seven layers of chalk in northern part of map.
* '''Fuel''': Elevation 140, west of magma pipe (from very west edge of map to very north edge of map).
* '''Bauxite''': 142 and 145, right and left sides of magma pipe.
* '''Obsidian''': Around magma pipe.
* '''Neighboring Civs''': All.
Found by: --[[Bharani]] March 7 2008

=== The Everlasting Dimensions ===

[[Image:1868528756.png]]

This is a pretty full-packed location. It has Adamantine, a magma vent and pool, a cave river and lake with dozens of critters within, a chasm, a complex cave system, which is 10 z-levels deep (packed full of critters and inhabited by a Dragon), marble for flux, hematite for iron (accessible from the surface), sand and some sparse trees.

If you don't need the magma vent and don't need as many chasm tiles, you can get away with a 4x3 map. The world should be pretty fast to generate...has only a few rejects, IIRC.

:Confirmed; only one reject on this one.

* '''Seed''': 1868528756
Found by: --[[Zagibu]] March 8 2008

===Minbazushul, a world without goblins===

[[Image:Minbazushul.gif|thumb|right|Click on the picture to enlarge]]

* '''Small World''' (65*65), '''Seed''': 3231003462 Yes, a world without Goblins. They only have two fortresses in the north-east corner of the world, and are unable to pass through the mountains that separate them from the civilized areas.
*Location: There is one very good location in this world with trees in plenty, sand, flux, a Volcano, an underground river, Bauxite and Adamatite, in a 5x2 area. If you expand it to 9x2 you also get a chasm. But be careful, it is quite easy to accidentally to dig into the *HIDDEN FUN STUFF*.

Found by: [[User:Zara|Zara]] 07:46, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

===A cool World with Everything===

256x256 map Seed: 2850307753

Move North West from starting map location until to see a vent in the middle of the forest. Go to that square and you will see that the vent has caused a small mountain to form. If you select the whole mountain (a bit large) you will get the following:

- A chasm seperating the lower third of the map, but it is below ground, so you can easily access both sides.

- The Southern 3rd is rich with gold, iron and adamantine. Normally that is enough to be great.... but then there is....

What could possibly be the most fun "sandbox" collection of features in the north two 3rds of the mountian. In this section you get:

- A cave river north of the chasm

- A very deep caldera Pond with very active spiders (good source of silk)

- A modestly hidden magma vent.. though selecting mining will reveal some surface warm stone. It is right next to the caldera lake...

- A Kobold Cave just north of both features with two legendary Kobolds in residence.

... Ever wanted to flood out a passel of kobolds? Burn them in firey magma? Poach them in boiling hot steam? Or just go to war? Here is where you can do it!!! Lots of valuables scattered about as well.

I keep reloading this map and playing with various scenarios.... it is all kinds of fun packed in one somewhat large map! Enjoy!

===World of EVIL!===

Seed: 175553852

===The Dimensions of Legend===
[[Image:DimensionsOfLegend 1.JPG|thumb|right|Click on the picture to enlarge]]
[TITLE:STANDARD]
[SEED:3909091239]
[DIM:257:257]

There are a few interesting locations that I've noticed so far...

Location 1: Volcano, Adamantine, above ground river, and chasm, in a 4x4 area, plus trees and farmable land (sand).
Location 2: Island (so no Goblins) with Volcano and '''terrifying lake'''. Again, sand, trees, freshwater.
[[Image:DimensionsOfLegend 2.JPG|thumb|right|Click on the picture to enlarge]]
Location 3: '''Haunted''' mountains with volcano, adamantine, underground lakes, aboveground rivers, chasms... Next to a forest/plains area with trees.
[[Image:DimensionsOfLegend 3.JPG|thumb|right|Click on the picture to enlarge]]
Other areas of note: a Volcanic oceanic island, a mirthful mountain range (with volcanic features, just above Location 3), and a few random volcanos in a forest.

===Xah Rabin - The Dimension of Omen===

Seed: 4112576623 
Dimensions: 129x129 
Name: Random 
OS: Windows XP 

===Thadar Thran, a world that also misses a civilization ===

[[Image:Thadar Thran.png|thumb|right|Click on the picture to enlarge]]

* '''Small World''' (65*65), '''Seed''': 521709640 Again, a world in which different civilizations are living on the different sides of the mountains. The Humans live in the north-east corner in the ''Veiled Hills'', the Elves and Goblins live in (and at) the western ''Forest of Wiping'' and the ''Dull Jungle''. The Dwarfs have settled both sides of the mountains.
*Location: Basically, the western forests would be totally uninteresting - who needs Elves and Goblins anyway - if it wasn't for a perfect location in a 3x7 area. A volcano, a cave lake, a cave river, a chasm; Enough Obsidian to build half a fortress in it, two kinds of flux (Dolomite and Limestone), sand, sufficient trees, Bauxite, Adamantite, plenty of coal, iron and copper and ALL other types of ore. Just don't expect any human traders to visit you.

Found by: [[User:Zara|Zara]] 20:36, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

===Onra Kisnast, a near-perfect 0-reject world===

[[Image:343432.PNG|thumb|right|Click on the picture to enlarge]]

[TITLE:MEDIUM]
[SEED:343432]
[DIM:129:129]

'''Contents:'''
*Size: 5x4
*Calm
*Warm
*Surface river
*Underground river
*Plenty of trees
*Magma pipe
*Hidden fun stuff
*Chasm(top-open with creatures - watch out)
*Flux(lots)
*Sand(white)
*Bauxite(lots)
*Iron(lots, magnetite deposits open to the surface)
*All metals except lead
*Coal
*Obsidian(around the magma)
*All civs
*Flat surface - only 3 z-levels of elevation

Found by: Event Spire

File:343432.PNG

2008-06-08T11:24:05Z

Doniazade: Created in DF v0.27.176.38c. [WORLD_GEN] [TITLE:MEDIUM] [SEED:343432] [DIM:129:129]

Created in DF v0.27.176.38c.
[WORLD_GEN]
[TITLE:MEDIUM]
[SEED:343432]
[DIM:129:129]

40d Talk:Decoration

2008-05-27T14:24:09Z

Doniazade: /* Encrusting Ammo */

== Disappearing Ecrusted Goods ==

Would anyone know why the objects that I encrust with jems don't seem to turn up anywhere? The encruster just stands around with it for a while and then I can't find it anymore. [[User:Patarak|Patarak]] 05:20, 24 January 2008 (EST)
:Dwarf McShinyPants cancels encrust with antimatter: Giant Explosion.--[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 12:53, 24 January 2008 (EST)
:maybe they r stuck in your workshop cos thers no room in/no fitting stockpile or no hauler available? use {{Key|t}} on the workshop to check its contents--[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 16:48, 10 February 2008 (EST)

== Encrusting Ammo ==

Is there really a point to it unless you're selling the ammo? I would expect it to increase damage or something, but that's just me. --[[User:Eurytus|Eurytus]] 23:39, 2 April 2008 (EST)

:Encrusing ammo only increases its value, and it is currently bugged so that encrusted ammo is much more valuable than it should be. [[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 09:52, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

::As an example, a stack of 25 iron bolts encrusted with topazes are worth over 10000 dwarfbucks. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 10:24, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Pregenerated worlds

2008-05-25T20:15:50Z

Doniazade: Removed own redundant remark

== Standardization ==
Along with creating a template for the entries, the images need to all be with the standard character sets and not with a graphical set. It's not very useful to be looking at images one is unfamiliar with - may as well not upload the images. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:39, 10 December 2007 (EST) 
::Definitely something to work on with standardizing the information on seeds. Though maybe later, as all you really need to be able to look at is the X marking locations and size of the box on the local map. I finished categorizing the seeds, and later will be trying to work out a general format for seed entries/later submittals. --[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 18:07, 10 December 2007 (EST)
 
Personally, I find the way Chariot implemented his seed page[http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/User:Chariot/SEED_196405198] wonderful. The seed entry here on the pregen page could use a little more detail (OS&DF version for instance) but the separate page with site-by-site breakdowns is great! I've got little/no experience with wikis, but I'm wondering if it would be possible to make a template to do that, and make it easy for any new seeds to be added using the template. Among other things, it would keep discussion of seeds specific to their own pages, and leave this discussion free to concentrate on the generalities of seeds and pre-gen worlds. In addition, it should either be reclassified or duplicated to indicate that it's also a 0/low rejects seed. --[[User:n9103|n9103]] 11:10, 17 Dec 2007 (PST)
:I made a quickly thrown together template for seeded worlds [[Template:Seeded World]], and have made a copy of Pauls world (for .33f) in it. It still needs alot of tuning (especially conditional #if for when entries are left open), as well as better handling (or rather handling at all) for worlds with multiple good starting locations. (Not really sure how this last point can be handled most cleanly from the perspective of the user.) Interrested in feedback as to the usefulness of such a template.. --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 18:35, 17 December 2007 (EST)
::Looks nice and pretty functional. As to additional sites, would it be possible to use templates within templates? Specifically, reproducing the current template for the site portion multiple times within it's own set of show/hide areas for each site. Just an idea on that coming from someone that doesn't know squat about advanced wiki-ing. Unless empty entries break the template, should they need handling at all? (since I read somewhere that this wiki doesn't do ifs. Great Work so far! --[[User:n9103|n9103]] 19:45, 17 Dec 2007 (PST)

== Clean up? ==
It was asked why I deleted a seed earlier, and I may just go back and edit it so that it mentions that I tested the seed on two different machines and got vastly different results on the seed than the original seed poster did (see history for seed number). Also, what is your guy's opinions on deleting/redoing entries without maps/pictures or without any major sites of interest? Example: Seed 0 mentions a spot to start at a terrifying volcano but you cannot even embark there.

PS - I'm going to move seeds according to quick creation time (low rejects) and features if possible.

Also, added a nice find to the pre-generated world's list.
--[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 16:42, 10 December 2007 (EST)

::Unless we are speaking at cross purposes ... I am playing a game right now at the suggested start spot from Seed 0. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:27, 10 December 2007 (EST)

:::I'll just nuke the useless volcano in the tundra image for now as this is fairly common and taking up room - and you cannot embark anywhere near there. I understand that the seed is worth keeping because of 0 rejects. But in terms of useless information taking up space, that was the point I was trying to make. --[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 17:30, 10 December 2007 (EST)

::::I see what you're talking about - I think that picture was just there to show that a volcano was in fact in the tundra, because that isn't the photo associated with the place s/he was suggested one should play. That's the other photo. The only purpose to the one you're refering to is to demonstrate that it's indeed a cool map, I suppose. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 18:30, 10 December 2007 (EST)

: Well I asked you why you deleted the seed I put back up, if it really doesn't work on other computers then I have no problem taking it down, but I've had no trouble regenerating it and I've had no problem generating other people's seeds. Something you need to do though is make sure you don't alter the settings at all. If there are issues where it only works on certain computers, that's interesting in and of itself, but I haven't seen any evidence of that myself so far. I should add, I do support cleaning up, the page is a mess beyond belief, and I agree some of the seeds are amazingly stupid. [[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 18:16, 10 December 2007 (EST)
:: If it works on your computer under repeatable circumstances, leave it up but have a warning tag of some sort :) We could use good seeds. When I have time I will be purging some of the more useless seeds and attempting to clean up here and there. Maybe have some information about your system info/processor/windows or linux? We don't know how these things sometimes affects seed generation. Don't feel bad, the seed I just posted I found out has variable flux/farmable land/sand based on which computers you generated from - and deleting the seed was just jumping the gun on my part.--[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 19:15, 10 December 2007 (EST)
::: I've repeated it a few times. Processor is AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200 Dual Core 90nm 939-pin, OS is XP SP2. Now that you mention that flux thing I do seem to remember someone mentioning something once about a slightly modified map. I'll try to find that at some point to see if there were any relevant details. [[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 14:13, 11 December 2007 (EST)

===Removal of older pre-generated worlds===
[[User:N9103]] and [[User:Fedor]] had a bit of a back and forth as to cleaning up older PreGen (Pre-generated) worlds. 
Fedor brought up that some of the changes in map generation since then are for the better, and how most people would probably expect the most recent generation rules to be in effect. 
Edward brought up how the actual world had no changes and were still perfectly usable. 
Fedor brought up that many minerals and gems were typically missing in maps generated in 33e and earlier. Edward agrees on this point. 
Edward and Fedor came to the agreement that it should be a community decision as to whether older (33e&f) PreGens should be left on the wiki. 

Please leave your opinion for this decision, along with any suggestions!

:Leave them on the page with a note that the rock-layer-generating code changed, so the same worlds generated under the current version would have different mineral abundances. If they were incompatible or somehow vastly inferior, then I'd agree with their removal, but having different minerals strikes me as quite minor.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 03:57, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:For the downloadable worlds leave them as is, or update descriptions if anything actually changes. Although I thought that the downloadable ones would fixed at that point. As for the seeds I'd either leave them there if they are still good, or possible archive them to a pregenerated worlds/version page if we get too many. --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 06:24, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:Remove, users can check the history of the page if they want the older stuff. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:28, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:They could be moved to the seed pages for older versions. A lot of the older maps have completely different features(magma, hidden fun stuff, underground lakes) than advertised when played on 38c. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 09:49, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

== Logging sites ==
I like the idea of logging specific sites to seeds, but how is the best way we can organize this? for a good location explaination you probably need a picture. But if we add a lot of pictures to each seed we get a large cluttered page. What shall we do? Add subpages for specific seeds? Try to think of a generic way to log nice sites (for example: Seed: 12323241 coords:12,13 has: ruins, vent, pit, trees, iron , gold, undead elephants of death, more eagels than the US has fighter planes, etc). (Is it possible to determine the coords of a site on the world map?)

And also, I think it is possible to create non number seeds. I'm going to test this.
--[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 08:34, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
: No for non numbers. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 09:10, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

The forum had a good suggestion. Lets store all the seeds that reject few regions while you create them. (Or at least reject as few regions as possible). The first one with the vulcano in the woods rejects 9 regions. The seed 2 gives a world after 3 rejects according to the forum. http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001234 --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 09:10, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

This thread should be interesting. There's even a world with zero rejects. 
http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001247 [[User:Death Dragon|Death Dragon]] 02:34, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Does anybody know how to link to a specific post of the forum? [[User:Death Dragon|Death Dragon]] 12:38, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:As far as I know, there isn't a way. This version of the bulletin board code does not place "name" links within the generated forum thread tables as some others do, so no appending of a "#name" to the URL can possibly scroll the browser directly to the post. The best we can do is link to the correct page of the thread and rely on the reader to scroll to the correct post him/herself. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:55, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

== Coordinates ==

This was mentioned briefly on the forum, but we should make some rules for finding specific locations on the map,
As in there is a magma vent in a tile with no volcano near at this position
The question is whether or not to use coordinates that refer to the map you get when you export your map (the big one), or to refer to coordinates in the 3 sections thats show up when you are selecting were to embark to. I'm actually not positive, they match up.
I'm pretty sure the map you get from exporting is 257x308, and I'm not 100% on this, but I think the middle map of the embark mode is exactly the same, I just looked through it, and it seems this way, but I thought (and maybe this was a remnant from 32a) that it didn't if someone else can confirm or deny it that'd be nice.

Anyhow I propose using that middle map as the basis of coordinates: we use the most general map (which is 15x16) and follow it by actual map position, and lastly where in the local map it is. also I propose using what tile it is to define it on each map as well.

here's an example (which you can verify using [SEED:2260691361])

General: (yellow n) 
14 Lat, and 2 lon 
Coordinates: (yellow i) 
220 lat, and 33 lon 
Location: (green i)-(green i) 
1-3 lat, and 5-7 lon 

You have here a elf forest retreat.
 
--[[User:Bevilr|Bevilr]] 22:03, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

====Can't use the middle map sorry====
It's always centered on the cursor. Also the large exported map - it may be bugged presently as it seems possible to find regions that are off the edge of what's exported. What would be possible would be to count the steps past where the position on the world (right-most) map changed, this seems to happen every 16 X or Y steps. Suggest indexing from the bottom left (top right if negative values used).
[[User:Djp|Djp]] 01:10, 22 November 2007 (EST)

:Use the world map to see where the approximate location is on the full map and the middle map for landmarks in that vicinity to figure out where the exact site is.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 00:45, 23 November 2007 (EST)

== Individual entries ==

I like the way #3089130238 laid out the information for that seed. We could definitely use a standard layout for this page. Is there anything else we should be including for each seed, besides the number of map rejections?--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:05, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:I definitely agree with this, and would love to see some sort of template, for (A) each world, and (B) sites of interest in each world--[[User:Bevilr|Bevilr]] 22:06, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
::A layout would be good, but keep in mind that the required bits should be accessible from either the exportable world map or fortress mode site selection. Otherwise, it could become an ungodly hassle to fill out the form and then there'd be no more additions. --[[User:BDR|BDR]] 07:22, 4 November 2007 (EST)

Seed 92003: I like the volcano named "The Big Flame." It makes me laugh! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 13:56, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Can we please put in seed 1337? (it has 2 or 4 rejects... i cant remember which, if absolutly nothing else... and it has lots of good stuff on it to... i found so many good sites... it was hard to pick which one to... well pick.) but really, its seed 1337, check it out. --[[User:pbhead|pbhead]] 18:20 November 2007 (EST)

:What was good about the sites? People sometimes have very different ideas of what makes for a good world.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:56, 21 November 2007 (EST)

== Template ==

{{Seeded World
|seed = 4265985437
|name = The Legendary Ever-Realm
|rejects = 51
|version = .33f
|genname = RANDOM
|link = http://hyperfileshare.com/d/f91fae26
|comment = This is a most rude stealing of Paul's map above for the purpose of testing this template, changes are bound to happen, please comment in discussion thread/make improvements as you see fit.
|image = [[Image:4265985437.PNG|thumb|500px]]
|features = [[Magma]], cave river, chasm, adamantine, sand, trees, flux and iron.
|missing = Giant cave spiders??
}}

I moved this example template from the main article. Discussion should go at [[Template talk:Seeded World]]. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 17:22, 23 December 2007 (EST)

==Organization==
I think we should try to better organize the seeds, into a table or such, something like [[User:Valdemar/Seeds|this]]. It would really help to see all of the seeds at a glance. We should also try to take all screenshots using 0x517A5D's excellent [[Utilities#Regional_Prospector|Regional Prospector]], to reveal all the hidden mountain features. --[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 15:42, 26 December 2007 (EST)

== Re: 4265985437 - The Legendary Ever-Realm ==

On Vista, it is generated with the same name, but with 71 rejects and a completely different map. (33g) Alas! [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 00:32, 28 December 2007 (EST)

:That's because of changed map generation algotythm in 33g. (Maybe this should be placed in discussion?) [[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 01:02, 28 December 2007 (EST)

:There's a download link provided for that world, so just download it.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:38, 28 December 2007 (EST)

==Multiple Continents and STUFF!==
Just poking around here. Has anyone seen/generated a world with multiple continents? I've seen plenty of Island, but there's always only one continent and all the "oceans" look more like oversized lakes. Could someone post a world with multiple coninents and if possible realistic oceans? Oh, and has anyone noticed that the polar icecaps are more like large tundras rather than, well, large glaciers... My worlds usually end up so warm, I wonder if the dwarfs have a problem with global warming. [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 15:40, 28 December 2007 (EST)

:Depending on your definition of continent, I've gotten two separate land masses that weren't connected. But considering the scale of the DF Worlds, it's not surprising there aren't really convincing oceans. If you assume that each tile is about 1m², (pretty reasonable) then each DF world is only 38,654 km² (14,924mi²) in total surface area. Considering that the Land Surface Area of the Earth is oh, around 4,000 Times larger, and that's not even counting the water area... So yea, a world with a real ocean would be sorta like playing on the corner of a volcanic island. :P --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:32, 28 December 2007 (EST)

::Not to be rude, but I think you made a error in your calculations. Please do consider that Europe alone is more than ten million square kilometers. I think you made a error when you considered "dwarf" squares per embark squares per world squares. Also, considering that the world's biggest mountain is 8848m high and the highest DF mountains are 250 Z-levels high(if I remember correctly), one DF Z-level must be more than 35m. Even when the highest DF mountain would be 5000m, a Z-level should be 20m. At the same time one average story of a building is ca 4m and putting this into z-levels gives us a maximum mountain size of 1000m. Small, huh? Oh, don't forget that that is the height from the lowest bottom of an "ocean", meaning that the real values are even more ridiculous. I can't imagine a ocean in the DF world in your scale at all. Speaking of oceans, I just generated a world with an ridiculous ocean. It's less than 15x15 in size and doesn't even show up on the world map in embark screen. Then there's the stone layers. In a 40000km² area there should be no more than a handful of stone layers, but in a DF world there's hundreds!
::This is sounding very DF-critical, but I really love this game. It's just that that the world generation can be very weird. Oh! And to make this post even longer for kicks. I just generated a world where three oceans divide the world into two, what I would call, continents, but because of two small land bridges they are counted as one. Compare with N. + S. America and Europe + Asia + Africa. Nuff...
::PS. Did you manually add your sig to translate your nick? [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 13:56, 29 December 2007 (EST)

:::RE Land Mass: Total Earth Land Area: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth Total DF Land Area: [[Regions]]
:::Why should DF world relate directly to the real world? Who says that DF mountains would even be as tall as Earth's? You made quite a few derivative calculations on a rather large assumption, IMO. All I've been trying to establish is that there really isn't a point to trying to compare the DF World to the real one. If you're trying to counter that argument, I'm really unsure what the point of most of your comments were. If you're trying to confirm it, then your comments still don't make much sense.
:::As for the sig, I added the normal signature to my nickname preference, changed the field manually, and that's where the signature comes from.--[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:21, 29 December 2007 (EST)

==Smata Sagus download==
(The file doesn't work on my PC. I get a Fatal Error: "Missing Reaction Definition" -[[User:Zara|Zara]] 14:39, 30 January 2008 (EST))
:You're absolutely right, I'd forgotten about a couple of changes I made to the reactions. The same problem affected my other two uploaded worlds as well. My apologies. I've uploaded new copies which are made on an unmodified copy of 33g, so download it again and it will work. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 17:51, 30 January 2008 (EST)

== Organization proposal ==

I propose to place all world seeds on subpages for their corresponding version and transcluding the page with the current world seeds onto the main pregenerated worlds page.
The idea would end up something like so:

''Pregenerated worlds''

<nowiki>==Seeds==</nowiki>

<nowiki>{{:Pregenerated worlds/0.27.173.38a}}</nowiki>

''Pregenerated worlds/0.27.173.38a''

(list of seeds and descriptions)

If we do it this way there won't be a need to move large blocks of text around when the version change kills seed compatibility; instead we can change which of the pages are transcluded onto the main seed page. Any thoughts? I will probably implement this tomorrow if noone objects. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 18:57, 6 February 2008 (EST)

:Very good idea, do you envision e.g. the page ''Pregenerated worlds/version.number'' to contain both "passive" seed information as well as true pregenerated downloadable worlds?-[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 08:36, 8 February 2008 (EST)

== [[Pregenerated_worlds#Near_perfect_4X5]] - seed #: 1038428822 ==

Has anyone managed to generated the world shown in the screenshot? I generated [SEED:1038428822] with an unmodified df_27_173_38a and the world is nothing like what's displayed in the screenshot. Possibly the original poster has modified raw files that caused it to be different? There isn't much said about modified raws changing the world generated. We probably should add something about that and ask people who have modified raws to post them alongside their seeds. Does anyone have much info regarding which raws can potentially effect worldgen? Also has anyone actually ever tested the fact that different names (non-random) or OSes cause different worlds to be generated or is that just something someone put there to try and explain why there are sometimes different worlds generated? I haven't tested either yet but both sound like strange things to cause a different world to me. --[[User:Someone(r)(c)(tm)|Someone(r)(c)(tm)]] 15:04, 14 February 2008 (EST)
:Operating system still causes a different output, too, as far as I know. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 16:04, 14 February 2008 (EST)
::Then we need to write an operating system... I had absolutely different world either. (There's still a possibility of typo in a seed)--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 23:48, 14 February 2008 (EST)
:I think that that seed was for the last version (33g)--[[User:Dragonflare|Dragonflare]] 01:12, 15 February 2008 (EST)
:The Toady One himself has stated in his changelogs that OS and World name don't affect world gen. As for raws, I would assume *ANY* change to them would change the generation. Personally, I think that if you're using a mod, then you forfeit your world-posting privileges, since this is by far aimed at unmodded DF. Posting in a subpage of the mod itself would be different of course. JM2¢. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 03:31, 15 February 2008 (EST)
::Found this in the changelogs "12/19/2007: <snip> * made world generation results independent of custom name" so I'm removing the world name thing. I'm thinking of removing the OS thing as well unless someone really is sure it effects. Basically what you want to test is making the same seed using two operating systems with completely default DFs of the same version (I suggest redownloading from the site on both OSes to be sure because you might have modified the raws and forgotten or something) but I am some what doubtful that OS has any effect. I actually agree with Edward about people using mods not posting worlds but I was thinking it was possibly a bit extreme so didn't suggest it myself. Unless anyone has any objections or other suggestions perhaps we should implement it? Although probably any change to the raws effects worldgen in some way it would appear that since terrain seems to be generated first not all modifications result in completely different worlds. Since most of the seeds given here are aimed at good starting locations in the form of terrain features it's possible that some modifications to the raws won't effect it enough to change the terrain generated. Of course a 'no mods at all' policy would make things a lot simpler than a 'some mods are allowed' policy. --[[User:Someone(r)(c)(tm)|Someone(r)(c)(tm)]] 07:26, 15 February 2008 (EST)
:::iirc, Toady commented that OS shouldn't have any effect since DF makes its own random numbers. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:33, 15 February 2008 (EST)

== Pocket Worlds Impossible?? ==
I've tried numerous pocket sized universes but have always gotten 10,000+ rejects and I've given up. Does anyone have a seed for a pocket sized world? [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 03:05, 21 March 2008 (EDT)
:Hmm seems some options I changed meant I couldn't generate pocket worlds. It worked fine with a fresh copy so I'll have to check what exact changes I had made which prevented it. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 03:53, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

== Ewèlina, The Enchanted Land ==

Rock salt is not a flux. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 22:34, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
:Well that sucks. I thought all the stones listed in white on the embark screen here flux. I live and learn. Updating article. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 01:32, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Is the seed right? coz i get the right world name but that map is different... – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Balistora|Balistora]]

The downloadable worlds were generated in a different version and won't generate the same in the current one. If you want a world to generate a copy of, look at the seeds section of the article. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:44, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

== Xah Rabin - The Dimension of Omen ==
This map needs a proper description of location and features.--[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 10:44, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

40d:Fortification

2008-05-18T22:20:07Z

Doniazade: /* Construction */

'''Fortifications''' are arrow slits used in the defense of your fortress. They are probably most commonly used along the outside walls of your fortress and on the upper levels of constructed watchtowers so that [[Marksdwarf|marksdwarves]] and [[siege engine]]s can fire at enemies from within your walls. Much like real world embrasures on battlements, their utility is limited if the enemy is close and at the same height; their true power lies in shooting from above and at distance, as it is possible to shoot at targets on other z-levels.

Fortifications allow ranged attacks (including [[siege weapon]]s), fireballs/breath, [[water]], [[magma]], [[steam]], etc. to pass through. Archers firing through fortifications must pass a skill test of some sort if they are not standing directly next to the fortification. This test is more difficult from further distances.

==Building fortifications==
Fortifications can be [[Carve fortifications|carved]] from wood or stone walls or built like any other [[construction]].

=== Carving ===
Once you have chosen the wall you want to carve, smooth the stone along its length using {{K|d}} -> {{K|s}}. After it has been smoothed, re-designate the same wall for fortifications using {{K|d}} -> {{K|a}}. Stone smoothing and fortification require a dwarf with the [[Engraver]] labor.

Built walls do not require smoothing before carving fortifications, regardless if they are smooth block walls (built from stone blocks) or rough block walls (build from raw stone).

Damaged rock cannot be used for fortifications.

=== Construction ===
Fortifications can also be constructed from [[metal]], [[wood]], or [[stone]] (in lump or block form) using {{K|b}} -> {{K|C}} -> {{K|F}}. They must be built tile by tile as there is no way to build more than one at a time. Construction of wooden fortifications require the [[Carpenter|Carpentry]] skill, fortifications made of stone require the [[Mason|Masonry]] skill, and those made of metal require [[Metalsmith|Metalsmithing]].

As of version 38c, building fortifications does not include the floor on the level above. Constructing a wall and carving fortifications out of it does, however.

==Uses and strategies==
Fortifications are designed to allow your marksdwarves to make pincushions of your enemies without exposing themselves to the dangers of melee, and providing them with cover from return fire. Obviously, their utility is derived entirely from their placement. It's a good idea to place fortifications above the Z-level that they will be defending, because otherwise ranged enemies could conceivably stand directly outside them and receive no penalty from them. Raising them above ground makes them inaccessible to enemies.

It's helpful to make the room that the fortifications look out of a [[barracks]] or [[archery range]], along with an [[ammo]] [[stockpile]], to insure that there are always military dwarves milling about at all times, ready to fire upon any attackers that threaten the fortress.

{{Buildings}}

[[Category:Military]]
[[Category:Fortress defense]]

40d:Labor

2008-05-16T17:19:32Z

Doniazade: minor grammar stuff

A [[dwarf]]'s '''labor''' preferences define the tasks that he or she will do. For instance, a dwarf with the [[wood cutting]] labor enabled will cut down [[trees]] whenever trees are designated to be cut. Essentially, a dwarf's '''labor''' preferences control what he or she can or can not do.

To change a dwarf's labor preferences, {{k|v}}iew the dwarf, then select {{k|p}}references and {{k|l}}abor.

The [[mining]] and [[wood cutting]] labors require the dwarf to pick up and wield a [[pick]] or [[battleaxe]], respectively. For this reason, a dwarf cannot be assigned to both mining and woodcutting at the same time.

Note that a labor is '''not''' a [[job]]. A job is the actual task of doing something, while a labor preference is simply whether a dwarf is allowed do the job or not.

Some examples of labors include [[wood cutting]], [[hauling]], [[fishing]] and [[Metalsmith's forge|metalsmithing]].

[[Category:Jobs]] [[Category:Dwarves]]

40d Talk:Floodgate

2008-05-16T16:47:43Z

Doniazade: /* bug? */ -working as intended

... but only '''stone''' and metal will hold back magma.

Is this true? In the last version only steel was strong enough to contain magma. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 15:29, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

: Well, my dolomite floodgates were enough to hold magma. So stone floodgates are capable of holding magma. Dunnoe about wooden ones though. [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 15:59, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:Not true. I used stone floodgates all the time with magma in the last version. --[[User:RedKing|RedKing]] 00:52, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

::Perhaps the confusion comes from the fact that you needed steel to bridge over magma --[[User:Moller|Moller]] 02:11, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

:::Alright, the dolomite floodgates that I've mentioned earlier seem to have disappeared, presumably melted away. Thus I'm led to belive that only steel(or better) floodgates are capable of holding magma now. [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 09:29, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

::::From what I've seen stone floodgates are, at the moment, one use like the steel ones listed in the article...but for different reasons. A closed stone floodgate will hold back magma indefinitely (probably for the same reason that the normal stone walls hold magma as they do), but once you link and open it the magma enters the same tile and turns any stone into it's molten counterpart. This means both your stone floodgate and stone mechanism are turned to slag and eventually lost to the magma forever. I would bet that the steel floodgates are still there, but forever locked in their open state since your mechanism just got turned to goo and you can no longer select the flood gate from the lever's link menu. Perhaps [[Bauxite|Bauxite]] might be able to survive the magma, but I need to find some first in order to test that theory.{{version|0.27.169.33b}} --[[User:TheUbie|TheUbie]] 04:28, 19 November 2007 (EST)

Interesting note, floodgates seem to take approximately 100 steps to open after activation, from my experimentation. Maybe this could be used in the article somehow?
[[User:NullAshton|NullAshton]] 23:51, 1 January 2008 (EST)

== opening and closing ==

do I '''have''' to use a lever to open and close a floodgate? Early on - I have a room next to a river - I want to put a floodgate in the corridor and "bucket fill" a "pond" from the outside.

will this plan work or do I '''need''' a lever?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 01:55, 5 January 2008 (EST)

:You need some kind of machine to trigger it, yes. Pressure plates work as well. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 06:20, 5 January 2008 (EST)

==Construction==

All right... I have a 1-wide channel, with a floodgate "placed" not "built" somewhere along it.
Access is from a stair to the right.
No matter if I put the build command closer to the stair, or further away from the stair, the dwarves seem to build the floodgate so that it cuts off their exit! WTF is one to do here? I keep ordering the dwarf that just built the floodgate to remove it so they can get out again.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 23:34, 2 February 2008 (EST)
:Hook it to a mechanism and open it. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 00:59, 3 February 2008 (EST)
::Yeah well when I get a mechanic that is the general plan ;) but right now it's sitting in the middle of a channel while I prey for more immigrants before all of my dwarves die of thirst![[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 01:48, 3 February 2008 (EST)
:::All right, I have opening and closing floodgates now.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 07:45, 5 February 2008 (EST)
::::Would you mind posting a pic of your setup? I'm a mite confused on this also....[[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 22:38, 3 February 2008 (EST)

==River crossings==
I can dam/divert a river with floodgates I hope.
If I dig a channel 1 z-level down, then build a wall, the top is a floor I can walk across. Why isn't the top of a floodgate a floor? it is silly that I have to build a floodgate then a bridge as well, and connect them to the same lever, if I want a floodgate I can walk over. (in real life even a simple drop-board weir - which is pretty mcuh a timber floodgate - can be walked over so that you can put the boards in and out).[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 07:45, 5 February 2008 (EST)
:PS. I am diverting my brook by digging a channel through it while it is frozen then building a series of floodgates in the resulting channel. I guess this will work (here's for trying) but how would one divert a river?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 07:47, 5 February 2008 (EST)

::Non-freezing? Very difficult to get to work properly, dependent on the terrain of course. Basically, you'd have to dig quite a large pond/lake for the river to fill while scrambling like mad to get those dwarves to install all the floodgates or build the walls before the flow into the lake slows enough for construction-blocking waterlevels to start flowing again. Definitely suggest a stockpile immediately adjacent to the closest entry point to the downstream side of the dam to hopefully avoid a waste of time if only one or two dwarves get their lazy butts over to the work that needs to be done! As for freezing; well, that's always been child's play, and I always wonder why people bother asking someone "if the map they're on freezes," anytime someone says they need help trying to dam a flow. ;) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 09:30, 5 February 2008 (EST)

:Well, I have dug a channel in the ice. There are some boulders left behind as well as it seems some ice blocks. I think these will be off to make a pond as ice hauling seems much more efficient to me than bucket hauling?
:But anyway, the channel is all marked as "blocked" when I try to build floodgates. Will see what it's like when the ice blocks are all gone.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:40, 6 February 2008 (EST)

==Floodgate swept away ==
With version 38a I noticed that floodgates can be swept away by molten rock which is pushed by the flowing lava. I don't know if this also happend with earlier versions since this was the first time, because of lack of fule and wood, that I actually used magma.
Somebody should probably mention in the article that it is advisable to remove rocks from the magma channel to prevent this. [[User:Buckermann|Buckermann]] 11:53, 9 February 2008 (EST)

:The floodgate was verified beforehand to have been built, and not simply dropped and forgotten? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 07:39, 13 February 2008 (EST)

::I'm quite sure that it was build, and not just dropped. It was even connected to a lever and was working. For a short time at least... And I'm also quite sure that I used Bauxit mechanism for it. [[User:Buckermann|Buckermann]] 09:53, 13 February 2008 (EST)

:::A non-bauxite mech. would be my next point of inquiry, and just to make sure we're not missing the obvious, the floodgate itself was magma-proof? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 04:14, 14 February 2008 (EST)
::::Yes, the floodgate too was made of Bauxit, and it is still visible in my magma silo. ([http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t243/TaBu-NiW/magmachamber.png?t=1203005405 Link to image]) [[User:Buckermann|Buckermann]] 11:11, 14 February 2008 (EST)
:::::Can you reproduce this? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 12:21, 14 February 2008 (EST)
::::::No. I tried a few times to reproduce this, but never succeeded. Probably I just forgot to use bauxit mechanism the first time. Though, I would have sworn that I did. [[User:Buckermann|Buckermann]] 20:14, 8 March 2008 (EST)

== No Access ==

I dug a diagonal tunnel towards a water source and I wanted to put a floodgate inside it - and one on the end where my farm will be - to create a reservoir. But I get the message, "no access" when I try to build the floodgate inside the tunnel. Apparently floodgates can only be placed when there is horizontal or vertical access to the square? (I planned to connect a lever to it so I don't need to stand next to it.) 
That does indeed seem to be the case. I was able to place one in the middle of a horizontal tunnel but not in a diagonal one. I dug an extra square (ruining my perfect symmetry with an ugly dogleg :)) and was able to put the floodgate inside my diagonal tunnel. --[[User:Danny Rathjens|Danny Rathjens]] 01:15, 6 April 2008 (EDT)

==bug?==

i wanted to water some rock below my fortress with the water from my moat, so i built a setup like this:
..~. 
..x. 
.> . surface level -1 
..x. 
..~. 

.... 
.< x surface level -2 
.... 

basically, the idea was that the area between the floodgates on the top level would fill with water, BUT while the top two were open, the bottom one would be closed. so i hooked up the top two to a lever, pulled it, built the third floodgate, linked that to the lever. so now my top two gates are open, and the bottom one closed. this would make sure that only the amount of water i wanted would go onto my plot. however, when i next pulled the lever, the top two closed, but the bottom one didnt open. i pulled it again and all 3 opened. so dont go doing this yourself, use two levers instead of 1. [[User:Twiggie|Twiggie]] 12:09, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

::This is intended. Levers have an "on" and an "off" state. Pulling them switches the lever state and updates all connected constructions to the new state. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 12:47, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

40d:Naked mole dog

2008-05-16T16:00:23Z

Doniazade: spelling: agressive -> aggressive

{{CreatureInfo|name=Naked Mole Dog|symbol=n|color=rgb(255, 0, 0)|bones=4|chunks=4|meat=4|fat=2|skulls=1|skin=Yes|biome=Near Chasm}}

Naked mole dogs can be found in many habitats and often are found when you try to reclaim a fortress. They are aggressive, vicious animals and can be a threat to unarmed adventurers and dwarves. You can get food and bones from them.

{{Game_Data|[CREATURE:MOLE_DOG_NAKED]
[NAME:naked mole dog:naked mole dogs:naked mole dog]
[TILE:'n'][COLOR:4:0:1]
[MODVALUE:2]
[LARGE_ROAMING][FREQUENCY:100]
[GENPOWER:2][NATURAL][PET_EXOTIC]
[BENIGN]
[PETVALUE:350]
[PREFSTRING:wrinkly skin]
[BODY:QUADRUPED:TAIL:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:MOUTH]
[NOPAIN]
[SIZE:4]
[MAXAGE:2:3]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:MOUTH:bite:bites:1:8:GORE][ATTACKFLAG_CANLATCH]
[CHILD:1][CHILDNAME:naked mole puppy:naked mole puppies]
[FAT:2]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:15:30]
[CLUSTER_NUMBER:5:10]
[BIOME_SUBTERRANEAN_CHASM]
[STANDARD_FLESH]
[HOMEOTHERM:10067]
[SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
}}
{{Creatures}}
[[Category:Animals]]

40d:Hammerer

2008-05-16T15:46:19Z

Doniazade:

{{Noble
| noble=Hammerer
| quarters=Quarters
| dining=Dining Room
| stands=1
| racks=1
| chests=1
| cabinets=1
| arrival=
* Arrives with Baron{{Verify}}
| function=
* [[Justice]]
* Executioner
}}
The [[Hammerer]] is the executioner of your [[fortress]]. If your fortress does not have enough [[cage]]s, [[chain]]s and/or [[rope]]s set to be used by [[justice]] or the crime is heinous enough, (s)he will proceed to hammerings. In the older versions, various crimes were worth different amount of hammer strikes, but in the recent versions this has not been verified.

Hammerer is usually quite a ruthless guy, who "takes pleasure from killing". You definitely don't want this guy to go rampaging through your fortress.

Note that it is possible to greatly reduce the damage inflicted on his victims by marking his hammer for dumping. This causes him to dispense justice bare-handed instead, greatly reducing unnecessary deaths.

[[Category:Nobles]]

40d:Labor

2008-05-16T15:36:48Z

Doniazade: battleaxe -> battle axe

A [[dwarf]]'s '''labor''' preferences define the tasks that he or she will do. For instance, a dwarf with the [[wood cutting]] labor enabled will cut down [[trees]] whenever trees are designated to be cut. Essentially, a dwarf's '''labor''' preferences control what he or she can or can not do.

To change a dwarf's labor preferences, {{k|v}}iew the dwarf, then select {{k|p}}references and {{k|l}}abor.

The Mining and Woodcutting labors require the dwarf to pick up and wield a [[pick]] or [[battle axe]], respectively. For this reason, a dwarf cannot be assigned to both mining and woodcutting at the same time.

Note that a labor is '''not''' a [[job]]. A job is the actual task of doing something, while a labor preference is simply whether a dwarf is allowed do the job or not.

Some examples of labors include [[wood cutting]], [[hauling]], [[fishing]] and [[Metalsmith's forge|metalsmithing]].

[[Category:Jobs]] [[Category:Dwarves]]

40d:Labor

2008-05-16T15:35:46Z

Doniazade:

A [[dwarf]]'s '''labor''' preferences define the tasks that he or she will do. For instance, a dwarf with the [[wood cutting]] labor enabled will cut down [[trees]] whenever trees are designated to be cut. Essentially, a dwarf's '''labor''' preferences control what he or she can or can not do.

To change a dwarf's labor preferences, {{k|v}}iew the dwarf, then select {{k|p}}references and {{k|l}}abor.

The Mining and Woodcutting labors require the dwarf to pick up and wield a [[pick]] or [[battleaxe]], respectively. For this reason, a dwarf cannot be assigned to both mining and woodcutting at the same time.

Note that a labor is '''not''' a [[job]]. A job is the actual task of doing something, while a labor preference is simply whether a dwarf is allowed do the job or not.

Some examples of labors include [[wood cutting]], [[hauling]], [[fishing]] and [[Metalsmith's forge|metalsmithing]].

[[Category:Jobs]] [[Category:Dwarves]]

40d:Specific heat

2008-05-16T15:21:13Z

Doniazade: There is no such thing as a "degree Kelvin" - the unit is simply known as Kelvin because it is an absolute unit of measure. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin

__NOTOC__
== The SPEC_HEAT token ==

The SPEC_HEAT token controls a material's specific heat capacity.

Specific heat is not a temperature. It is, more or less, the amount of energy it takes to raise the temperature of the material from one temperature to another. Gold, for instance, has a very low specific heat, so it takes very little energy to raise its temperature by one degree. Water, with a very high specific heat, takes 32 times as much energy to raise its temperature by one degree. For more information, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_heat_capacity] [http://hypertextbook.com/physics/thermal/heat-sensible/] [http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/SpecificHeat.html].


SPEC_HEAT appears to be in units of J kg-1 K-1 at STP; i.e. 1000 times the normally reported cp in Joules per gram per Kelvin, or exactly the more rarely reported cp in Joules per kilogram per Kelvin.

It is not understood why the game uses the °C or K scale here, while using the °DF = °F + 9968 scale elsewhere.

=== Sample specific heats as used by Dwarf Fortress ===

{| border="1" cellpadding="2" width="100%"
! width="50%" | Material
! width="25%" | cp in J kg-1 K-1
! width="25%" | DF uses

|-
| Adamantine
| n/a
| 7500

|-
| Aluminum
| 897
| 900

|-
| Copper
| 385
| 385

|-
| Carbon (Graphite) [[Creature_Tokens/SPEC_HEAT#footnote1|[*]]]

| 710
| 409

|-
| Carbon (Diamond) [[Creature_Tokens/SPEC_HEAT#footnote1|[*]]]
| 519
| 409

|-
| Gold
| 129.1
| 129

|-
| Iron, cast 
| ≈500
| 450

|-
| Iron, pig
| >500
| 500

|-
| Iron, pure
| 443
| 450

|-
| Iron, wrought 
| 480-500
| 450

|-
| Nickel
| 444
| 444

|-
| Zinc
| 388
| 390

|-
|
|
|

|-
| Alcohol, ethyl, anhydrous
| 2440
| not in raws

|-
| Alcohol, ethyl, 100 proof
| 3856
| not in raws

|-
| Beef, carcass, not frozen 
| 2850
| not in raws

|-
| Charcoal
| ≈ 1000
| not in raws

|-
| Cheese, Cheddar, aged 60 weeks 
| 3012
| not in raws

|-
| Coke
| 850
| not in raws

|-
| Glass, crystal 
| ≈ 500
| not in raws

|-
| Glass, silica 
| 790
| not in raws

|-
| Sand
| 835
| not in raws

|-
| Silk (silkworm?) 
| ≈ 1380
| not in raws

|-
| Silk (hornet)  
| ≈ 1500
| not in raws

|-
| Silk (spider, viscid) 
| ≈ 1400
| not in raws

|-
| Water, liquid, at STP
| 4218
| not in raws

|-
| Water, solid, at STP
| 2114
| not in raws

|-
| Wood [[Creature_Tokens/SPEC_HEAT#footnote2|[&dagger;]]]
| 1700 to 2900
| 420, hardcoded

|-
|}

<tt>[*]</tt>  Note the inconsistency in the Carbon values. 
<tt>[&dagger;]</tt>  The specific heat of wood varies somewhat between different species. However, the variance is dominated by the moisture content of the wood. Moreover, wet wood behaves very differently below freezing. See [http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplgtr/fplgtr09.pdf] 

----

The default value for SPEC_HEAT is 409, except for STONE types, which get 800. However, default values are not established for the various creature_product_SPEC_HEAT tokens.

----
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_heat_capacity#Table_of_specific_heat_capacities] and [http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/specific-heat-solids-d_154.html] have tables with other materials’ specific heats.

References may report specific heat in Joules per gram per degree Celsius. Because Celcius and Kelvin use the same scale, differing only in their zero points, this is exactly the same as reporting in Joules per gram per Kelvin.  J/g°C is equal to J/gK

Sometimes references will give specific heat in calories per gram kelvin, or calories per kilogram kelvin. To convert calories per gram kelvin to DF units, multiply by 4184. To convert calories per kilogram kelvin to DF units, multiply by 4.184.

Older references may give specific heat in B.T.U. per pound per degree Fahrenheit. 1 B.T.U. per pound per degree Fahrenheit is by definition equal to 1 calorie per gram per Kelvin. Btu/lb°F is equal to cal/gK. So just multiply by 4184 to convert to DF units.

Sometimes references will report specific heat of liquids or gases in Joules (or calories) per [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_(unit) mole] per Kelvin. The symbol for this is Cp (with a capital C). This is less useful for our purposes, as you will need to know the molecular weight (in grams per mole) of the compound to convert it.
:An example: the molar heat capacity of ethyl alcohol is 113 Joules per mole per degree Centigrade. The molecular weight of ethyl alcohol is 46.07 grams per mole. Divide 113 J/mol°C by 46.07 g/mol, resulting in 2.45 J/g°C. Multiply by 1000 g/kg, resulting in 2450 J/kg°C. That is our desired result in DF units.

Note that specific latent heat is a different concept; do not use those values for SPEC_HEAT.

User:Doniazade

2008-05-14T19:20:45Z

Doniazade: speeling am gude

I am fairly new to the wiki and DF scenes, so please post any criticism or flames here.

User:Doniazade

2008-05-14T19:20:10Z

Doniazade: New page: I am fairly new to the wiki and DF scenes, so please post any criticisme or flames here.

I am fairly new to the wiki and DF scenes, so please post any criticisme or flames here.

Challenge Builds

2008-05-14T19:12:01Z

Doniazade: /* <insert material> Fort */ - Added glass challenge

If repeatedly defending a besieged fortress isn't difficult enough for you, here are a few challenges you can set for yourself. You might also want to check out the [[Game goals|List of goals]] for other ways to challenge yourself.

=== Exiled Warlord ===
* Seven starting dwarves with no military skills
* All immigrants immediately activated into the military
* No killing them off on purpose!

=== Hermit ===

* No [[skill]]s
* One [[pick]] and no other supplies

A well known and popular challenge. Kill off the 6 starting dwarves and any [[immigrants]] as they arrive, and try to make a living for the last dwarf.

=== Outcast ===

* No [[skill]]s
* One [[pick]] and no other supplies

Same as the hermit challenge, only with multiple hermits. Turn off immigrants or kill them.

=== Roughing it ===

* No picks

Don't [[dig]] or build at all. Bring no [[pick]]s, and don't ask for them in [[Trade depot|trade]]. Watch as the more "weather-averse" dwarves slowly go mad.

=== Gone to the dogs ===

* One [[pick]]
* A ton of [[animals]]

Replace the starting equipment with an equal value in [[dog]]s or [[cat]]s.

=== ASPCA ===

* No [[animals]]

Don't bring any [[animals|pets]]. Furthermore, due to the possibility of animals being caught in them, don't build any [[traps]], either. If [[immigrants]] bring pets, get rid of them somehow. (If you're a particularly rabid ASPCA member, you could get rid of the pet-bearing immigrants, too, but that's probably excessive.)

=== Diplomacy ===

* Six dwarves with only social [[skill]]s
* One skilled dwarf

Six courtiers of the king's court made some ill-advised remarks within earshot of the king, and as a result have been ordered to go found an outpost. They've hired you to make sure they survive. The six nobles only have social skills and refuse to do any work that is beneath them.

=== Luddite ===

* No mechanics or [[mechanism]]s
* No [[machine]]s

[[Traps]] and moving [[bridge]]s are forbidden, [[farming]] must be accomplished by hand.

=== City-States ===

* No [[skill]]s
* 7 or multiple of 7 of everything you bring

At the start your dwarves split everything equally and move to 7 different locales that are not interconnected. They have to mine their own rooms, plant their own crops, use their own craft piles. This will probably require a bit of cross-fertilization until you get [[door]]s and can lock everyone in, but after that it is every dwarf for him/herself!

=== <insert material> Fort ===

'''Wooden'''

Start on any treeless map and make everything that you can out of wood. That means no underground forts, though you may destroy hills and such. You lose points for bringing wood at the start.

'''Glass'''

Construct an above-ground fortress made entirely out of glass. Bonus points for not using magma, constructing your fortress under water, or using [[clear glass]] exclusively. No stone may be used. Metal may only be used for creating stuff that cannot be made out of glass.

=== Dieting Dwarves ===

'''Fishing Village'''

Give your dwarves only the fishing skill and other fishing related skills (like bonecrafting.) Try to survive off a [[fish]] only diet. Flood the river and build houses above it so the dwarves can fish through their floors. There will be an extra challenge if the river freezes in the winter.

'''Carnivore'''

* No plants or seeds

Only eat strays, pets, and animals you trap and hunt. No farming or plant gathering. Keep all your pets in cages and care for them as little as possible. Eat your dwarves' pets first for an extra challenge. If this upsets your dwarves, ridicule or ignore them. (If you are particularly heartless, you could cage those dwarves as well because anyone that empathizes with animals doesn't deserve any rights either.)

'''Vegan'''

* Obviously, no meat, fish, or dairy
* Also, no leather, silk, or shell
* In essence, construct an [http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Main_Glade Elven Forest]

A fairly easy challenge. Take no meat and buy no meat. Butcher no animals. Gut no fish. Use no animal products like the [[Elf|elves]].

'''IOGT/AA'''

* No alcohol

Quite possibly, this is the cruelest challenge that your dwarves can be given. Don't ever brew any alcohol. Build [[well]]s instead and watch your now teetotaller dwarves work slower and slower by the season.

=== Hunting Party ===

* One marksman/ambusher
* Two camp servants (e.g. one cook/brewer/herbalist, one butcher/tanner/leatherworker/woodcutter)
* Four clients, all dabbling in marksman/ambusher but with primarily civilian skills.

No anvil, lots of hunting dogs ... and a haunted wood. (In a terrifying wood, you may find all the trees & plants are dead, severely reducing long-term prospects.)

=== Immigration and Customs Enforcement ===

* One miner/mason/architect
* One woodcutter/carpenter/architect
* Five military dwarves

No anvil, lots of food, in a canyon - spend the first year building fortifications to interdict traffic. Immigrants can build a town around you, but your original dwarves remain dedicated to their mission.

=== Dwarfsicles ===

Select a map region in the northern extremities (or another very cold area), where water is frozen for much or all of the year. All construction that can be undertaken with stone must use [[ice]], instead. Be sure to bring plenty of [[Plump helmet|Plump Helmets]] for brewing drinks!

For an insane challenge, forbid yourself from digging in any material that can yield resources other than ice.

=== This. Is. SPARTAAAA ===

At least 50% of your dwarves should be military 100% of the time, and train in spears, shield use and [[wrestling]]. All other dwarves are "helots" and shouldn't be given any skills – they can be pressed into the military during times of war, but given no equipment or at most a bare minimum of inferior weapons.

You should refuse trade with caravans, instead attacking them if possible. You should forbid the use of gold and silver, the making of crafts, and the smoothing of walls or any other task that makes your fortress "beautiful."

You shouldn't create chainmail or plate armour.  You should only brew wine.

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta#Society Read more about the real Sparta]

=== The Mad Butcher ===
(this requires a tiny amount of editing to the raws) 
#Edit Dwarf Fortress\Raw\object\Creature_Domestic.txt. Remove the tag [BUTCHERABLE_NONSTANDARD] from cats and dogs. 
#Start with a normal build except:
#*One dwarf should be a dedicated butcher/leather worker
#*buy minimal food
#*bring as many puppies or kittens as possible
#Drop all your puppies or kittens into cages or into animal pits as soon as possible. 
#Dig a shaft 10 or more Z-levels deep, mark the top an animal pit. 
#At the bottom of the shaft set up a butcher shop, a tanner shop, a bedroom, and some food and leather stockpiles. 
#Set it all up so that the mad butcher cannot escape. 
#As you need food, begin selecting animals to be dropped into your deep pit, next to the butcher. 
#See how long a single butcher, butchering splattered kittens, can keep your fortress fed! Cooking and farming are cheating... raw meat for everyone! 

=== Fort Geneva ===
* Build only nonlethal (cage) traps
* Sentient creatures ([[Goblins]], etc.) are to be considered prisoners of war and treated humanely
* Suggested provisions for prisoners: a bed, a personal cell, a commons area, aboveground exercise yard, and the clothes the creature was wearing when captured
* Inspiration: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions Geneva Conventions]

=== Jack Of All Trades ===

* No starting skills for any dwarfs
* All starting dwarfs and all immigrants immediately have all possible jobs activated
* All workshops must be available at all times for all dwarfs of all skill levels

Pray for strange moods!

=== Master Of One ===

* All starting dwarfs can have one skill and one skill only
* No changes are allowed on any dwarfs labour screen
* All immigrants must stay with the profession/professions they arrive with
* All peasants must be activated into the military

Note: Since all dwarfs start with all hauling activated then that's fine- alternatively you could limit the peasants to hauling duties and only allow dwarfs with military skills into the military...

=== Siege Master ===

* No traps
* No drawbridges
* No locked doors
* No magma/water based defences

=== Humanlike Fortress ===

* Build a castle around the area you intend to play on.(A wall out of wood or stone. Metal if you really want to push it. It must not have a roof.) It can be extended as desired, but no buildings can be outside of it. (Farm plot and water wheel, or other mechanics (save for windmill) do not count as a building in this sense)
* All dwarf residences (bedrooms) must be above ground. Communal bedrooms allowed. Pathways between dwarf housings (not workshops) above surface level allowed, but no houses must be directly linked to the keep.
* Dwarf housings can be made in multipile floors, featuring only one basement floor
* All workshops must be in relevant, and different buildings (for example, mason's workshop and carpenter's workshop being in the same building is not alright, but a smelter and metalsmith's workshop is just fine. )
* Stockpiles underground are allowed.
* The Fortress must have a keep(with barracks attached to it, or next to it) for nobles, military, and guards. Weapons must be stored within, as well as all currency that isn't owned by dwarves.
* Farmlands must be kept outside the fortress.
* The only things allowed underground besides stockpile is a mineshaft for getting ore and stone, a sewer system, herb growth in basements is allowed and none of the houses can be directly linked to the mine shaft, or stockpile. Keep can disobey this rule.
* BONUS: Make a fountain at least 3 Z squares high in the center of the keep, with a +statue+(or better) on top of it.
* BONUS: The fortress is built around a human town.
* BONUS: Town has an awesome inn operating in same building as the brewery. REGULAR parties there, or it isn't good enough!
* BONUS: All booze is kept within a town inn.
* ÜBERBONUS : Make all of the fortress out of wood. And have a dragon attack it. Send us pictures!

40d Talk:Strange mood

2008-05-14T12:52:54Z

Doniazade: /* Silk Cloth */

Does the new version still have the strange mood? It wouldnt be complete without it!

:It still exists, I've had it happen several times now, I went to the archive wiki and copy/pasted the old page.

::Isnt that why the wiki was nuked? To make sure that no old info lingers? Ill put some "verify" in there, I dont think that the bold text is enough for users to understand that some of this may no longer apply. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 06:03, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::I agree. Although moods themselves don't seem to have been changed in this version, the changes to the stones/ores that they use means that some of the information in this article is no longer true. I'll have a go at cleaning it up when I have the proper time for it, but this wiki definitely needs a 'no copypasting from the archives' rule to avoid screwups like this. If people are going to copypaste old stuff, then it is downright irresponsible of them not to verify the accuracy of the information before committing it to the wiki. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]]

I know, I was a huge fan of that little strange aspect of the old one.

I need my dwarfs to make more swordfish bone swords, and i still need some glass weapons/armor

The moods seem to have changed. One of my dwarfs went fey, made a nice hematite mug, and is now a legendary... Engraver. Very wierd, he also had no stoneworking or other craftdwarf skills. But he was a competent mason. This was also my fifth dwarf who took the same craftworkshop, so it's a bit strange. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 17:36, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Six fey dwarf, all took the craftdwarfshop, now my bowyer took one. Think it might be a bug. Is the 15 artifacts limit still in? --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:34, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:: Whohoo my second legendary engraver made a gold mug. My bowyer became a legendary engraver. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:40, 8 November 2007 (EST)
::: Scratch all that, one of my woodworkers just used a carpenters shop. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 07:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:Have you marked all statements in the article that risks being falsified with <nowiki>{{verify}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 19:41, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Hey, I am getting a dwarf who wants "raw...crystal". Help? -- [[User:Bovinepro|Bovinepro]]
:Probably wants raw crystal glass. I had a dwarf ask for "raw...green", they wanted raw green glass. Looks like Toady might have moved the glass demands out of the "rough...color" category. [[User:Iddq?|Iddq?]]

About the engravers taking over craftdwarf's shops and becoming legendary engravers afterwards is quite true. I recently got a bunch of immigrants, and the engraver that came with them fell into a strange mood before even crossing the bridge on my river. He took over a craftdwarf's workshop and made a basalt scepter, and now he's legendary level in engraving. So yeah, perfect laboratory conditions, he was 100% engraver when he went into his mood and came out a legendary engraver. --[[User:Zhang5|Zhang5]] 17:07, 12 November 2007 (EST)

It seems that no craft skill is required. I just had a peasant go into a strange mood. His skills were: competent marksdwarf; novice wrestler; novice armor wearer. He grabbed a craftsdwarf's workshop and 10 items (3xFelsite, Schorls, Tigereyes, Red Beryls, Giant cave swallow leather, Grizzly Bear Leather, Rough harlequin opals and Ash logs -- guess he has expensive taste?) and churned out an idol in relatively short order. This is my 9th successful mood in this fortress, and I've seen requests for between 3 and 10 items, personally. Since they seem to be increasing in complexity, I've either hit the item cap, or I'm about to break ten :) [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 16:34, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:This is consistent with older versions. Moody peasants would become crafters, and 10 items was the cap. The minimum was 1 item -- generally when constructing a "perfect gem".--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:55, 19 November 2007 (EST)

I had a miner go into a strange mood, take over a mason's workshop, and make a something that got him up to legendary miner status. In my current fort, I have had 6 artifacts made, 2 of which were actual moods and 5 of which were possessions (I can add, one of them failed and the dwarf became a babbling wreck). My dwarves love to use only one item: an oak door (1 item), an olivine coffin (2 items), a turtle shell mask (1 item and is my cheapest artifiact at 3600), a diorite amulet (3 items), and a perfect jelly opal (1 item). --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 18:47, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Where to add the info that in my game (.33c) a miner took over a mason's workshop, became legendary miner and then held the artifact in his right hand instead of a pick, which became 'hauled', then droped the pick and then took the pick with his left hand? He can mine after all these. While holding a 667 weight units cabinet in his right hand. --[[User:Another|Another]] 10:07, 1 December 2007 (EST)

I had dwarf Miller, profecienty Grower who had Fey Mood, and he became a Legendary Mason ....
Is it normal ? [[user:Feydreva|Feydreva]]

One of my dwarves has become possessed and is demanding cloth, bones and stone, which I have plenty of. But he refuses to go fetch them. Is there something I'm doing wrong?—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Patarak|Patarak]] ([[User talk:Patarak|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Patarak|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}
: They want either silk or fiber cloth. Make sure you have both! [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 03:40, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Aargh! One of my dwarves went secretive and is demanding a huge list of stuff. He seems to be demanding two types of stone because the "sketches quarry" message stays on twice as long as the others. I have (and he has gathered) flint: is there any way to tell what kind of stone he wants? --[[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 011:55, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I had a Glassmaker that sat around when I had a lot of Magma Glass Furnaces, but then decided to get going when I made a regular Glass Furnace. Seems like they will only use a specific kind. Not sure yet if it's random. Might be they won't take the Magma Glass Furnace in version 38a. Can anyone verify? --[[User:Afbee|Afbee]] 05:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

: My Glassmaker successfully used Magma Glass Furnace in a fey mood. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 07:54, 24 February 2008 (EST)

==Maximum number of artifacts==
Well, I just got my umpteenth mood, and it resulted in the 16th successfully created artifact.(33b) So that 15 cap thing is clearly wrong. As it happens, this single artifact is worth 754,800, and is an adamantine spear decorated with, among other things, adamantine. For the record, in case this data is important to someone tabulating number of ingredients, my moods in order created the following objects using the corresponding number of ingredients: (Flute, 4; Mechanism, 4; Spear, 3; Millstone, 6; Ring, 8; Chest, 7; Cape, 7; Ring, 9; Statue, 8; Idol, 10; earring, 8; Buckler, 8; Table, 3; Mechanism, 10; Bracelet, 5; and Spear, 8). [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:54, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Do fell/macabre moods still exist? I haven't seen any for quite a few versions. It'd be nice to have that verified.—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rabek|Rabek]] ([[User talk:Rabek|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rabek|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}

== clarification on "trade" skills ==

Are trade skills all the skills that produce items with some level of quality? Mainly I want to know if dyer is a trade skill. And how does that work with miner? I didn't think miner was a trade skill. Maybe someone who knows more than me could clarify in the wiki.
I just got my first artifact. It's worth 2400. The dwarf took one log and made a scepter. -[[User:Radtse|Radtse]]

:I don't know exactly, we should make a list of the skills we know are not trade skills. I'll start: my brewer/grower once got a strange mood and made a wood item and gained woodcrafting skill. Let's try to only add to the list when we have experienced a moody dwarf with that skill only.--[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 19:36, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::I'm adding Weaver and Furnace Operator to this list, since they're on the wiki. I haven't seen them myself, but I'm assuming someone else has. Knowing that Furnace Operator is a "fey-able" skill will be quite helpful.-[[User:Radtse|Radtse]] 18:28, 29 December 2007 (EST)

:::Where's cooking fit in? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 20:09, 6 January 2008 (EST)

List of non-trade skills:

* [[Brewer]]
* [[Grower]]
* [[Miller]]

Skills that may be used and gained by dwarves with no trade skills:

* [[Wood crafter]]
* [[Stone crafter]]

Skills that use a different skill(See list above), but give correct skill:

* [[Miner]]
* [[Engraver]]
* [[Furnace Operator]]
* [[Weaver]]

::::For the record, i can confirm both Furnace Operator and Weaver, since no one else has commented to verify them thus far. (The weaver actually surprised me when it happened). --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:43, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

== mood condition ==
The 20 dwarves / no crazy stuff has been found while looking at the binary of v0.27.169.33d, might be different now, but i don't think so. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 15:08, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Regarding the calulations for required maximum existing artifacts (items/200 and dugout/(48*48)) wouldn't it make more sense to either use the squared symbol, or the actual result of that square (which was the original number actually discovered/revealed I believe)? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:17, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:<sup>2</sup> --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 21:28, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

== Random Workshop Seizure ==

I just had a gem cutter seize a carpenter's workshop and make a perfect gem; upon completion I had a worthless Legendary dwarf and a new jeweler's workshop, so I guess that's still in from the previous version. I've removed the verify in the article. [[User:Tacroy|Tacroy]] 16:51, 9 January 2008 (EST)

:nonsense. Should be a bigger chance of making ZOMG high-quality gem crafts now ;) --[[User:Frostedfire|Frostedfire]] 07:35, 18 February 2008 (EST)

::More to the point, if you don't like the profession your dwarf has Legendary in...draft for the stats! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:16, 18 February 2008 (EST)

== forbidden items ==

Do moody dwarfs use forbidden items? Will they demand forbid items? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 02:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

:I don't know whether moody dwarves will use forbidden items (my guess would be they won't). But they don't choose the demands based on what is on the map, they can and do demand things you don't have. So it's safe to assume forbidding doesn't prevent dwarves from demanding the forbidden kind of item. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 16:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

::Forbidden items are not used. Similarly, if your mooder slipped in e.g. an iron bar when you wanted him to use a platinum bar, you can forbid AND dump the item to stop him from using it. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 16:35, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

== Impossible Requests? ==
Will dwarves try to use items that you just don't have access to? I had a dwarf asking for silk when I haven't imported any and I'm pretty sure there isn't a giant spider anywhere. Also asking for "rocks" when I have mined at least one of each type of rock that is visible (requiring rocks from unmined areas seem pretty harsh). Also a request for "metal bars" when I have smeltered at least one of each ore I have found and made at least one of each possible alloy. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 23:27, 26 February 2008 (EST)
:Yeah, impossible stuff is all my dwarves ever want. :-P Right now mine appears to want stone I don't have, and no traders have come by with any stone.... So my guys are frantically mining in various directions.... [[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 13:59, 7 March 2008 (EST)

::As far as i can tell they never request anything it is truly impossible for you to get. Available by trade seems to imply possible for the game engine though. Too bad if its the start of winter (which is when all my moods which require things I don't have and can't produce happen, of course). But if there's no sand on your map at all you will not be asked for glass, since you can't trade for sand. (If there's 5 tiles of sand under that underground lake you haven't found yet... sucks to be you - my first fortress lost 3 dwarves to this). So yes, requiring things present on the map that you haven't found yet appears to be possible and routine. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:48, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

== Procastinator! ==

I just had a moody dwarf demand bones, wood, rocks, and cloth.

He got the rocks okay, and then did nothing for ages. Then, as soon as the fire imp corpse rotted away, he ran down and got the bones, then ran over to my wood stockpile and got a piece of wood...

Do they need to get their ingredients in order now?--[[User:Shadow archmagi|Shadow archmagi]] 06:28, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:i think so, not that it matters, he wont start unless he has ALL the ingridents.

== gems ==
My moody dwarf asked for 2 kinds of rough gems, but i had cut all rough ones at that point. So i "printed out" all layers and started checking for leftover gems in the walls. Guess what, he picked the first 2 kinds i mined. So either

* random/pure luck (don't think so)
* they only ask what they "see"
* they only ask what is somehow on the map
* or they might even adapt somewhat to availability, but i doubt that. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 15:59, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

== Just standing around? ==

I have a dwarf who was possessed, but won't leave the main hall. He's also a novice in everything, but to be safe I've already cleared the shops. It's winter of my first year, but somehow I've already had 2 waves of immigrants. Back to the point, I'm afraid he's going to wait out the mood and go berserk. Help?
--[[User:Ilmmad|Ilmmad]] 20:00, 6 March 2008 (EST)
:Well, make sure u ve got one workshop of every possible kind available - there are however quite a few u dont need to build, its covered in the article. Check for locked doors or otherwise blocked access (bridges, channels, statues..) Dont forget furnaces, glass and magma. Check with 'q' if all workshops are completely build. If it doesnt help consider building workshops not related to his skills, or more "exotic" ones, like Ashery or Alchemist. No one can guarantee that Toady didnt have some new fun ideas ;) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:59, 6 March 2008 (EST)

== stark raving suicide ==

My mechanic wanted silk cloth, which I didn't have, and eventually gone insane ("stark raving mad" to be precise).
Seconds after that I had message that he died in heat (I had artificial magma pool nearby).
He probably jumped into the pool like in melancholy. Main article states that only melancholic dwarves kill themselves in such way.
Could anyone confirm that mad ones do that too, and this wasn't just an accident/bug? [[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 16:59, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

:Perhaps it ''was'' an accident -- I seem to recall that "stark raving mad" ones wander around at random. Perhaps it wandered into the lava. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 18:30, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

== Glassmaker with no glass ==

I had an immigrant glassworker get a mood, seize a glass workshop, and created an artifact made entirely of gemstones. No glass involved or asked for. (No sand on the map, anyway.) He turned into a Legendary Glassworker, despite having never made a glass anything.

== Rewrite ==

I think I got most of the old information and then some into the new article. Please make any necessary modifications. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 01:22, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

== Silk Cloth ==

I had a dwarf demand silk cloth, but he refused to use my giant cave spider silk cloth. I didn't have any regular cave spider silk cloth. To verify that the silk was the problem, I used Companion to change the silk demand to any stone, and he immediately collected the rest of the materials and constructed the artifact.
Can anyone else confirm that giant cave spider silk cloth does '''not''' count as silk cloth? --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:55, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:No, I'm pretty sure I can't. I've seen a dwarf grab GCS silk. Could it be that you had thread and not cloth? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 13:59, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::Nope, giant cave spider cloth [3] sorted under cloth on the stock screen. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 16:52, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Probably they may specifically require GCS silk or specifically require CS silk. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 14:10, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
I figured it out - the silk was outside and I had accidentally left "Dwarves Stay Inside" on after the latest attack. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:52, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Engineer taken by secretive mood, and creates... ==

Evidently engineers who are taken by a secretive mood ("withdraws from society", in case it's later determined that the descriptor has an effect) will have no problems taking over the mechanic's workshop. And there's only one thing mechanic-shops build - that's right, you heard right, ladies and gentlemen, I present ''Kodor ós: A claystone mechanism". It's even available for use from the appropriate {{k|b}})uild screens. He decided to make this splendid 86,400o creation while on an eight-mechanism binge in that very same mechanic's workshop. Maybe dwarves choose the workshop they've been in the most often? --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

:Ah, actually I can confirm I've had a Mechanic create an artifact mechanism as well. Stick some obsidian swords in that baby and you'll be good to go! That should probably go in the main article for skills vs workshops... I would expect siege engineers also have strange moods, but I imagine pump op and siege op fall under the general craftsman catch-all --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 15:45, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::I'd like to smack BismuthBismuthBismuth with the facts stated in the article.
A dwarf will claim a workshop according to their highest applicable skill
::In this case it was Engineering and therefore your mechanic went to a Mechanic's Workshop. It's the same with the possessed glassmakers. They hit a glassmaker's shop. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:49, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:::I'd like to hit GreyMario-Maria, preferably in the upper-body region, with the fact that at the time of my post, the table in the article did not mention mechanics whatsoever. --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 22:26, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::::Pardon me, but I was not aware that ''mechanics'' worked at a ''mechanic's workshop'', where objects are created that have ''quality mofidiers'' and can thus become ''artifacts''. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:28, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Strange mood

2008-05-13T20:52:22Z

Doniazade: /* Silk Cloth */

Does the new version still have the strange mood? It wouldnt be complete without it!

:It still exists, I've had it happen several times now, I went to the archive wiki and copy/pasted the old page.

::Isnt that why the wiki was nuked? To make sure that no old info lingers? Ill put some "verify" in there, I dont think that the bold text is enough for users to understand that some of this may no longer apply. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 06:03, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::I agree. Although moods themselves don't seem to have been changed in this version, the changes to the stones/ores that they use means that some of the information in this article is no longer true. I'll have a go at cleaning it up when I have the proper time for it, but this wiki definitely needs a 'no copypasting from the archives' rule to avoid screwups like this. If people are going to copypaste old stuff, then it is downright irresponsible of them not to verify the accuracy of the information before committing it to the wiki. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]]

I know, I was a huge fan of that little strange aspect of the old one.

I need my dwarfs to make more swordfish bone swords, and i still need some glass weapons/armor

The moods seem to have changed. One of my dwarfs went fey, made a nice hematite mug, and is now a legendary... Engraver. Very wierd, he also had no stoneworking or other craftdwarf skills. But he was a competent mason. This was also my fifth dwarf who took the same craftworkshop, so it's a bit strange. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 17:36, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Six fey dwarf, all took the craftdwarfshop, now my bowyer took one. Think it might be a bug. Is the 15 artifacts limit still in? --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:34, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:: Whohoo my second legendary engraver made a gold mug. My bowyer became a legendary engraver. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:40, 8 November 2007 (EST)
::: Scratch all that, one of my woodworkers just used a carpenters shop. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 07:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:Have you marked all statements in the article that risks being falsified with <nowiki>{{verify}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 19:41, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Hey, I am getting a dwarf who wants "raw...crystal". Help? -- [[User:Bovinepro|Bovinepro]]
:Probably wants raw crystal glass. I had a dwarf ask for "raw...green", they wanted raw green glass. Looks like Toady might have moved the glass demands out of the "rough...color" category. [[User:Iddq?|Iddq?]]

About the engravers taking over craftdwarf's shops and becoming legendary engravers afterwards is quite true. I recently got a bunch of immigrants, and the engraver that came with them fell into a strange mood before even crossing the bridge on my river. He took over a craftdwarf's workshop and made a basalt scepter, and now he's legendary level in engraving. So yeah, perfect laboratory conditions, he was 100% engraver when he went into his mood and came out a legendary engraver. --[[User:Zhang5|Zhang5]] 17:07, 12 November 2007 (EST)

It seems that no craft skill is required. I just had a peasant go into a strange mood. His skills were: competent marksdwarf; novice wrestler; novice armor wearer. He grabbed a craftsdwarf's workshop and 10 items (3xFelsite, Schorls, Tigereyes, Red Beryls, Giant cave swallow leather, Grizzly Bear Leather, Rough harlequin opals and Ash logs -- guess he has expensive taste?) and churned out an idol in relatively short order. This is my 9th successful mood in this fortress, and I've seen requests for between 3 and 10 items, personally. Since they seem to be increasing in complexity, I've either hit the item cap, or I'm about to break ten :) [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 16:34, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:This is consistent with older versions. Moody peasants would become crafters, and 10 items was the cap. The minimum was 1 item -- generally when constructing a "perfect gem".--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:55, 19 November 2007 (EST)

I had a miner go into a strange mood, take over a mason's workshop, and make a something that got him up to legendary miner status. In my current fort, I have had 6 artifacts made, 2 of which were actual moods and 5 of which were possessions (I can add, one of them failed and the dwarf became a babbling wreck). My dwarves love to use only one item: an oak door (1 item), an olivine coffin (2 items), a turtle shell mask (1 item and is my cheapest artifiact at 3600), a diorite amulet (3 items), and a perfect jelly opal (1 item). --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 18:47, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Where to add the info that in my game (.33c) a miner took over a mason's workshop, became legendary miner and then held the artifact in his right hand instead of a pick, which became 'hauled', then droped the pick and then took the pick with his left hand? He can mine after all these. While holding a 667 weight units cabinet in his right hand. --[[User:Another|Another]] 10:07, 1 December 2007 (EST)

I had dwarf Miller, profecienty Grower who had Fey Mood, and he became a Legendary Mason ....
Is it normal ? [[user:Feydreva|Feydreva]]

One of my dwarves has become possessed and is demanding cloth, bones and stone, which I have plenty of. But he refuses to go fetch them. Is there something I'm doing wrong?—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Patarak|Patarak]] ([[User talk:Patarak|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Patarak|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}
: They want either silk or fiber cloth. Make sure you have both! [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 03:40, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Aargh! One of my dwarves went secretive and is demanding a huge list of stuff. He seems to be demanding two types of stone because the "sketches quarry" message stays on twice as long as the others. I have (and he has gathered) flint: is there any way to tell what kind of stone he wants? --[[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 011:55, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I had a Glassmaker that sat around when I had a lot of Magma Glass Furnaces, but then decided to get going when I made a regular Glass Furnace. Seems like they will only use a specific kind. Not sure yet if it's random. Might be they won't take the Magma Glass Furnace in version 38a. Can anyone verify? --[[User:Afbee|Afbee]] 05:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

: My Glassmaker successfully used Magma Glass Furnace in a fey mood. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 07:54, 24 February 2008 (EST)

==Maximum number of artifacts==
Well, I just got my umpteenth mood, and it resulted in the 16th successfully created artifact.(33b) So that 15 cap thing is clearly wrong. As it happens, this single artifact is worth 754,800, and is an adamantine spear decorated with, among other things, adamantine. For the record, in case this data is important to someone tabulating number of ingredients, my moods in order created the following objects using the corresponding number of ingredients: (Flute, 4; Mechanism, 4; Spear, 3; Millstone, 6; Ring, 8; Chest, 7; Cape, 7; Ring, 9; Statue, 8; Idol, 10; earring, 8; Buckler, 8; Table, 3; Mechanism, 10; Bracelet, 5; and Spear, 8). [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:54, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Do fell/macabre moods still exist? I haven't seen any for quite a few versions. It'd be nice to have that verified.—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rabek|Rabek]] ([[User talk:Rabek|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rabek|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}

== clarification on "trade" skills ==

Are trade skills all the skills that produce items with some level of quality? Mainly I want to know if dyer is a trade skill. And how does that work with miner? I didn't think miner was a trade skill. Maybe someone who knows more than me could clarify in the wiki.
I just got my first artifact. It's worth 2400. The dwarf took one log and made a scepter. -[[User:Radtse|Radtse]]

:I don't know exactly, we should make a list of the skills we know are not trade skills. I'll start: my brewer/grower once got a strange mood and made a wood item and gained woodcrafting skill. Let's try to only add to the list when we have experienced a moody dwarf with that skill only.--[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 19:36, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::I'm adding Weaver and Furnace Operator to this list, since they're on the wiki. I haven't seen them myself, but I'm assuming someone else has. Knowing that Furnace Operator is a "fey-able" skill will be quite helpful.-[[User:Radtse|Radtse]] 18:28, 29 December 2007 (EST)

:::Where's cooking fit in? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 20:09, 6 January 2008 (EST)

List of non-trade skills:

* [[Brewer]]
* [[Grower]]
* [[Miller]]

Skills that may be used and gained by dwarves with no trade skills:

* [[Wood crafter]]
* [[Stone crafter]]

Skills that use a different skill(See list above), but give correct skill:

* [[Miner]]
* [[Engraver]]
* [[Furnace Operator]]
* [[Weaver]]

::::For the record, i can confirm both Furnace Operator and Weaver, since no one else has commented to verify them thus far. (The weaver actually surprised me when it happened). --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:43, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

== mood condition ==
The 20 dwarves / no crazy stuff has been found while looking at the binary of v0.27.169.33d, might be different now, but i don't think so. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 15:08, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Regarding the calulations for required maximum existing artifacts (items/200 and dugout/(48*48)) wouldn't it make more sense to either use the squared symbol, or the actual result of that square (which was the original number actually discovered/revealed I believe)? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:17, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:<sup>2</sup> --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 21:28, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

== Random Workshop Seizure ==

I just had a gem cutter seize a carpenter's workshop and make a perfect gem; upon completion I had a worthless Legendary dwarf and a new jeweler's workshop, so I guess that's still in from the previous version. I've removed the verify in the article. [[User:Tacroy|Tacroy]] 16:51, 9 January 2008 (EST)

:nonsense. Should be a bigger chance of making ZOMG high-quality gem crafts now ;) --[[User:Frostedfire|Frostedfire]] 07:35, 18 February 2008 (EST)

::More to the point, if you don't like the profession your dwarf has Legendary in...draft for the stats! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:16, 18 February 2008 (EST)

== forbidden items ==

Do moody dwarfs use forbidden items? Will they demand forbid items? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 02:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

:I don't know whether moody dwarves will use forbidden items (my guess would be they won't). But they don't choose the demands based on what is on the map, they can and do demand things you don't have. So it's safe to assume forbidding doesn't prevent dwarves from demanding the forbidden kind of item. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 16:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

::Forbidden items are not used. Similarly, if your mooder slipped in e.g. an iron bar when you wanted him to use a platinum bar, you can forbid AND dump the item to stop him from using it. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 16:35, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

== Impossible Requests? ==
Will dwarves try to use items that you just don't have access to? I had a dwarf asking for silk when I haven't imported any and I'm pretty sure there isn't a giant spider anywhere. Also asking for "rocks" when I have mined at least one of each type of rock that is visible (requiring rocks from unmined areas seem pretty harsh). Also a request for "metal bars" when I have smeltered at least one of each ore I have found and made at least one of each possible alloy. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 23:27, 26 February 2008 (EST)
:Yeah, impossible stuff is all my dwarves ever want. :-P Right now mine appears to want stone I don't have, and no traders have come by with any stone.... So my guys are frantically mining in various directions.... [[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 13:59, 7 March 2008 (EST)

::As far as i can tell they never request anything it is truly impossible for you to get. Available by trade seems to imply possible for the game engine though. Too bad if its the start of winter (which is when all my moods which require things I don't have and can't produce happen, of course). But if there's no sand on your map at all you will not be asked for glass, since you can't trade for sand. (If there's 5 tiles of sand under that underground lake you haven't found yet... sucks to be you - my first fortress lost 3 dwarves to this). So yes, requiring things present on the map that you haven't found yet appears to be possible and routine. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:48, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

== Procastinator! ==

I just had a moody dwarf demand bones, wood, rocks, and cloth.

He got the rocks okay, and then did nothing for ages. Then, as soon as the fire imp corpse rotted away, he ran down and got the bones, then ran over to my wood stockpile and got a piece of wood...

Do they need to get their ingredients in order now?--[[User:Shadow archmagi|Shadow archmagi]] 06:28, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:i think so, not that it matters, he wont start unless he has ALL the ingridents.

== gems ==
My moody dwarf asked for 2 kinds of rough gems, but i had cut all rough ones at that point. So i "printed out" all layers and started checking for leftover gems in the walls. Guess what, he picked the first 2 kinds i mined. So either

* random/pure luck (don't think so)
* they only ask what they "see"
* they only ask what is somehow on the map
* or they might even adapt somewhat to availability, but i doubt that. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 15:59, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

== Just standing around? ==

I have a dwarf who was possessed, but won't leave the main hall. He's also a novice in everything, but to be safe I've already cleared the shops. It's winter of my first year, but somehow I've already had 2 waves of immigrants. Back to the point, I'm afraid he's going to wait out the mood and go berserk. Help?
--[[User:Ilmmad|Ilmmad]] 20:00, 6 March 2008 (EST)
:Well, make sure u ve got one workshop of every possible kind available - there are however quite a few u dont need to build, its covered in the article. Check for locked doors or otherwise blocked access (bridges, channels, statues..) Dont forget furnaces, glass and magma. Check with 'q' if all workshops are completely build. If it doesnt help consider building workshops not related to his skills, or more "exotic" ones, like Ashery or Alchemist. No one can guarantee that Toady didnt have some new fun ideas ;) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:59, 6 March 2008 (EST)

== stark raving suicide ==

My mechanic wanted silk cloth, which I didn't have, and eventually gone insane ("stark raving mad" to be precise).
Seconds after that I had message that he died in heat (I had artificial magma pool nearby).
He probably jumped into the pool like in melancholy. Main article states that only melancholic dwarves kill themselves in such way.
Could anyone confirm that mad ones do that too, and this wasn't just an accident/bug? [[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 16:59, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

:Perhaps it ''was'' an accident -- I seem to recall that "stark raving mad" ones wander around at random. Perhaps it wandered into the lava. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 18:30, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

== Glassmaker with no glass ==

I had an immigrant glassworker get a mood, seize a glass workshop, and created an artifact made entirely of gemstones. No glass involved or asked for. (No sand on the map, anyway.) He turned into a Legendary Glassworker, despite having never made a glass anything.

== Rewrite ==

I think I got most of the old information and then some into the new article. Please make any necessary modifications. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 01:22, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

== Silk Cloth ==

I had a dwarf demand silk cloth, but he refused to use my giant cave spider silk cloth. I didn't have any regular cave spider silk cloth. To verify that the silk was the problem, I used Companion to change the silk demand to any stone, and he immediately collected the rest of the materials and constructed the artifact.
Can anyone else confirm that giant cave spider silk cloth does '''not''' count as silk cloth? --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:55, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:No, I'm pretty sure I can't. I've seen a dwarf grab GCS silk. Could it be that you had thread and not cloth? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 13:59, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::Nope, giant cave spider cloth [3] sorted under cloth on the stock screen. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 16:52, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Probably they may specifically require GCS silk or specifically require CS silk. —[[User:Chaos|Chaos]] 14:10, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

== Engineer taken by secretive mood, and creates... ==

Evidently engineers who are taken by a secretive mood ("withdraws from society", in case it's later determined that the descriptor has an effect) will have no problems taking over the mechanic's workshop. And there's only one thing mechanic-shops build - that's right, you heard right, ladies and gentlemen, I present ''Kodor ós: A claystone mechanism". It's even available for use from the appropriate {{k|b}})uild screens. He decided to make this splendid 86,400o creation while on an eight-mechanism binge in that very same mechanic's workshop. Maybe dwarves choose the workshop they've been in the most often? --[[User:BismuthBismuthBismuth|BismuthBismuthBismuth]] 15:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

:Ah, actually I can confirm I've had a Mechanic create an artifact mechanism as well. Stick some obsidian swords in that baby and you'll be good to go! That should probably go in the main article for skills vs workshops... I would expect siege engineers also have strange moods, but I imagine pump op and siege op fall under the general craftsman catch-all --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 15:45, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
::I'd like to smack BismuthBismuthBismuth with the facts stated in the article.
A dwarf will claim a workshop according to their highest applicable skill
::In this case it was Engineering and therefore your mechanic went to a Mechanic's Workshop. It's the same with the possessed glassmakers. They hit a glassmaker's shop. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:49, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Strange mood

2008-05-13T12:55:23Z

Doniazade: /* Silk Cloth */ forgot to sign, doh

Does the new version still have the strange mood? It wouldnt be complete without it!

:It still exists, I've had it happen several times now, I went to the archive wiki and copy/pasted the old page.

::Isnt that why the wiki was nuked? To make sure that no old info lingers? Ill put some "verify" in there, I dont think that the bold text is enough for users to understand that some of this may no longer apply. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 06:03, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::I agree. Although moods themselves don't seem to have been changed in this version, the changes to the stones/ores that they use means that some of the information in this article is no longer true. I'll have a go at cleaning it up when I have the proper time for it, but this wiki definitely needs a 'no copypasting from the archives' rule to avoid screwups like this. If people are going to copypaste old stuff, then it is downright irresponsible of them not to verify the accuracy of the information before committing it to the wiki. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]]

I know, I was a huge fan of that little strange aspect of the old one.

I need my dwarfs to make more swordfish bone swords, and i still need some glass weapons/armor

The moods seem to have changed. One of my dwarfs went fey, made a nice hematite mug, and is now a legendary... Engraver. Very wierd, he also had no stoneworking or other craftdwarf skills. But he was a competent mason. This was also my fifth dwarf who took the same craftworkshop, so it's a bit strange. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 17:36, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Six fey dwarf, all took the craftdwarfshop, now my bowyer took one. Think it might be a bug. Is the 15 artifacts limit still in? --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:34, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:: Whohoo my second legendary engraver made a gold mug. My bowyer became a legendary engraver. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:40, 8 November 2007 (EST)
::: Scratch all that, one of my woodworkers just used a carpenters shop. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 07:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:Have you marked all statements in the article that risks being falsified with <nowiki>{{verify}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 19:41, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Hey, I am getting a dwarf who wants "raw...crystal". Help? -- [[User:Bovinepro|Bovinepro]]
:Probably wants raw crystal glass. I had a dwarf ask for "raw...green", they wanted raw green glass. Looks like Toady might have moved the glass demands out of the "rough...color" category. [[User:Iddq?|Iddq?]]

About the engravers taking over craftdwarf's shops and becoming legendary engravers afterwards is quite true. I recently got a bunch of immigrants, and the engraver that came with them fell into a strange mood before even crossing the bridge on my river. He took over a craftdwarf's workshop and made a basalt scepter, and now he's legendary level in engraving. So yeah, perfect laboratory conditions, he was 100% engraver when he went into his mood and came out a legendary engraver. --[[User:Zhang5|Zhang5]] 17:07, 12 November 2007 (EST)

It seems that no craft skill is required. I just had a peasant go into a strange mood. His skills were: competent marksdwarf; novice wrestler; novice armor wearer. He grabbed a craftsdwarf's workshop and 10 items (3xFelsite, Schorls, Tigereyes, Red Beryls, Giant cave swallow leather, Grizzly Bear Leather, Rough harlequin opals and Ash logs -- guess he has expensive taste?) and churned out an idol in relatively short order. This is my 9th successful mood in this fortress, and I've seen requests for between 3 and 10 items, personally. Since they seem to be increasing in complexity, I've either hit the item cap, or I'm about to break ten :) [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 16:34, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:This is consistent with older versions. Moody peasants would become crafters, and 10 items was the cap. The minimum was 1 item -- generally when constructing a "perfect gem".--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:55, 19 November 2007 (EST)

I had a miner go into a strange mood, take over a mason's workshop, and make a something that got him up to legendary miner status. In my current fort, I have had 6 artifacts made, 2 of which were actual moods and 5 of which were possessions (I can add, one of them failed and the dwarf became a babbling wreck). My dwarves love to use only one item: an oak door (1 item), an olivine coffin (2 items), a turtle shell mask (1 item and is my cheapest artifiact at 3600), a diorite amulet (3 items), and a perfect jelly opal (1 item). --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 18:47, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Where to add the info that in my game (.33c) a miner took over a mason's workshop, became legendary miner and then held the artifact in his right hand instead of a pick, which became 'hauled', then droped the pick and then took the pick with his left hand? He can mine after all these. While holding a 667 weight units cabinet in his right hand. --[[User:Another|Another]] 10:07, 1 December 2007 (EST)

I had dwarf Miller, profecienty Grower who had Fey Mood, and he became a Legendary Mason ....
Is it normal ? [[user:Feydreva|Feydreva]]

One of my dwarves has become possessed and is demanding cloth, bones and stone, which I have plenty of. But he refuses to go fetch them. Is there something I'm doing wrong?—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Patarak|Patarak]] ([[User talk:Patarak|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Patarak|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}
: They want either silk or fiber cloth. Make sure you have both! [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 03:40, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Aargh! One of my dwarves went secretive and is demanding a huge list of stuff. He seems to be demanding two types of stone because the "sketches quarry" message stays on twice as long as the others. I have (and he has gathered) flint: is there any way to tell what kind of stone he wants? --[[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 011:55, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I had a Glassmaker that sat around when I had a lot of Magma Glass Furnaces, but then decided to get going when I made a regular Glass Furnace. Seems like they will only use a specific kind. Not sure yet if it's random. Might be they won't take the Magma Glass Furnace in version 38a. Can anyone verify? --[[User:Afbee|Afbee]] 05:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

: My Glassmaker successfully used Magma Glass Furnace in a fey mood. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 07:54, 24 February 2008 (EST)

==Maximum number of artifacts==
Well, I just got my umpteenth mood, and it resulted in the 16th successfully created artifact.(33b) So that 15 cap thing is clearly wrong. As it happens, this single artifact is worth 754,800, and is an adamantine spear decorated with, among other things, adamantine. For the record, in case this data is important to someone tabulating number of ingredients, my moods in order created the following objects using the corresponding number of ingredients: (Flute, 4; Mechanism, 4; Spear, 3; Millstone, 6; Ring, 8; Chest, 7; Cape, 7; Ring, 9; Statue, 8; Idol, 10; earring, 8; Buckler, 8; Table, 3; Mechanism, 10; Bracelet, 5; and Spear, 8). [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:54, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Do fell/macabre moods still exist? I haven't seen any for quite a few versions. It'd be nice to have that verified.—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rabek|Rabek]] ([[User talk:Rabek|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rabek|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}

== clarification on "trade" skills ==

Are trade skills all the skills that produce items with some level of quality? Mainly I want to know if dyer is a trade skill. And how does that work with miner? I didn't think miner was a trade skill. Maybe someone who knows more than me could clarify in the wiki.
I just got my first artifact. It's worth 2400. The dwarf took one log and made a scepter. -[[User:Radtse|Radtse]]

:I don't know exactly, we should make a list of the skills we know are not trade skills. I'll start: my brewer/grower once got a strange mood and made a wood item and gained woodcrafting skill. Let's try to only add to the list when we have experienced a moody dwarf with that skill only.--[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 19:36, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::I'm adding Weaver and Furnace Operator to this list, since they're on the wiki. I haven't seen them myself, but I'm assuming someone else has. Knowing that Furnace Operator is a "fey-able" skill will be quite helpful.-[[User:Radtse|Radtse]] 18:28, 29 December 2007 (EST)

:::Where's cooking fit in? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 20:09, 6 January 2008 (EST)

List of non-trade skills:

* [[Brewer]]
* [[Grower]]
* [[Miller]]

Skills that may be used and gained by dwarves with no trade skills:

* [[Wood crafter]]
* [[Stone crafter]]

Skills that use a different skill(See list above), but give correct skill:

* [[Miner]]
* [[Engraver]]
* [[Furnace Operator]]
* [[Weaver]]

::::For the record, i can confirm both Furnace Operator and Weaver, since no one else has commented to verify them thus far. (The weaver actually surprised me when it happened). --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:43, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

== mood condition ==
The 20 dwarves / no crazy stuff has been found while looking at the binary of v0.27.169.33d, might be different now, but i don't think so. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 15:08, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Regarding the calulations for required maximum existing artifacts (items/200 and dugout/(48*48)) wouldn't it make more sense to either use the squared symbol, or the actual result of that square (which was the original number actually discovered/revealed I believe)? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:17, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:<sup>2</sup> --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 21:28, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

== Random Workshop Seizure ==

I just had a gem cutter seize a carpenter's workshop and make a perfect gem; upon completion I had a worthless Legendary dwarf and a new jeweler's workshop, so I guess that's still in from the previous version. I've removed the verify in the article. [[User:Tacroy|Tacroy]] 16:51, 9 January 2008 (EST)

:nonsense. Should be a bigger chance of making ZOMG high-quality gem crafts now ;) --[[User:Frostedfire|Frostedfire]] 07:35, 18 February 2008 (EST)

::More to the point, if you don't like the profession your dwarf has Legendary in...draft for the stats! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:16, 18 February 2008 (EST)

== forbidden items ==

Do moody dwarfs use forbidden items? Will they demand forbid items? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 02:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

== Impossible Requests? ==
Will dwarves try to use items that you just don't have access to? I had a dwarf asking for silk when I haven't imported any and I'm pretty sure there isn't a giant spider anywhere. Also asking for "rocks" when I have mined at least one of each type of rock that is visible (requiring rocks from unmined areas seem pretty harsh). Also a request for "metal bars" when I have smeltered at least one of each ore I have found and made at least one of each possible alloy. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 23:27, 26 February 2008 (EST)
:Yeah, impossible stuff is all my dwarves ever want. :-P Right now mine appears to want stone I don't have, and no traders have come by with any stone.... So my guys are frantically mining in various directions.... [[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 13:59, 7 March 2008 (EST)

::As far as i can tell they never request anything it is truly impossible for you to get. Available by trade seems to imply possible for the game engine though. Too bad if its the start of winter (which is when all my moods which require things I don't have and can't produce happen, of course). But if there's no sand on your map at all you will not be asked for glass, since you can't trade for sand. (If there's 5 tiles of sand under that underground lake you haven't found yet... sucks to be you - my first fortress lost 3 dwarves to this). So yes, requiring things present on the map that you haven't found yet appears to be possible and routine. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:48, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

== Procastinator! ==

I just had a moody dwarf demand bones, wood, rocks, and cloth.

He got the rocks okay, and then did nothing for ages. Then, as soon as the fire imp corpse rotted away, he ran down and got the bones, then ran over to my wood stockpile and got a piece of wood...

Do they need to get their ingredients in order now?--[[User:Shadow archmagi|Shadow archmagi]] 06:28, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:i think so, not that it matters, he wont start unless he has ALL the ingridents.

== gems ==
My moody dwarf asked for 2 kinds of rough gems, but i had cut all rough ones at that point. So i "printed out" all layers and started checking for leftover gems in the walls. Guess what, he picked the first 2 kinds i mined. So either

* random/pure luck (don't think so)
* they only ask what they "see"
* they only ask what is somehow on the map
* or they might even adapt somewhat to availability, but i doubt that. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 15:59, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

== Just standing around? ==

I have a dwarf who was possessed, but won't leave the main hall. He's also a novice in everything, but to be safe I've already cleared the shops. It's winter of my first year, but somehow I've already had 2 waves of immigrants. Back to the point, I'm afraid he's going to wait out the mood and go berserk. Help?
--[[User:Ilmmad|Ilmmad]] 20:00, 6 March 2008 (EST)
:Well, make sure u ve got one workshop of every possible kind available - there are however quite a few u dont need to build, its covered in the article. Check for locked doors or otherwise blocked access (bridges, channels, statues..) Dont forget furnaces, glass and magma. Check with 'q' if all workshops are completely build. If it doesnt help consider building workshops not related to his skills, or more "exotic" ones, like Ashery or Alchemist. No one can guarantee that Toady didnt have some new fun ideas ;) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:59, 6 March 2008 (EST)

== stark raving suicide ==

My mechanic wanted silk cloth, which I didn't have, and eventually gone insane ("stark raving mad" to be precise).
Seconds after that I had message that he died in heat (I had artificial magma pool nearby).
He probably jumped into the pool like in melancholy. Main article states that only melancholic dwarves kill themselves in such way.
Could anyone confirm that mad ones do that too, and this wasn't just an accident/bug? [[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 16:59, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

:Perhaps it ''was'' an accident -- I seem to recall that "stark raving mad" ones wander around at random. Perhaps it wandered into the lava. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 18:30, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

== Glassmaker with no glass ==

I had an immigrant glassworker get a mood, seize a glass workshop, and created an artifact made entirely of gemstones. No glass involved or asked for. (No sand on the map, anyway.) He turned into a Legendary Glassworker, despite having never made a glass anything.

== Rewrite ==

I think I got most of the old information and then some into the new article. Please make any necessary modifications. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 01:22, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

== Silk Cloth ==

I had a dwarf demand silk cloth, but he refused to use my giant cave spider silk cloth. I didn't have any regular cave spider silk cloth. To verify that the silk was the problem, I used Companion to change the silk demand to any stone, and he immediately collected the rest of the materials and constructed the artifact.
Can anyone else confirm that giant cave spider silk cloth does '''not''' count as silk cloth? --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 08:55, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Strange mood

2008-05-13T12:54:57Z

Doniazade:

Does the new version still have the strange mood? It wouldnt be complete without it!

:It still exists, I've had it happen several times now, I went to the archive wiki and copy/pasted the old page.

::Isnt that why the wiki was nuked? To make sure that no old info lingers? Ill put some "verify" in there, I dont think that the bold text is enough for users to understand that some of this may no longer apply. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 06:03, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::I agree. Although moods themselves don't seem to have been changed in this version, the changes to the stones/ores that they use means that some of the information in this article is no longer true. I'll have a go at cleaning it up when I have the proper time for it, but this wiki definitely needs a 'no copypasting from the archives' rule to avoid screwups like this. If people are going to copypaste old stuff, then it is downright irresponsible of them not to verify the accuracy of the information before committing it to the wiki. --[[User:Morlark|Morlark]]

I know, I was a huge fan of that little strange aspect of the old one.

I need my dwarfs to make more swordfish bone swords, and i still need some glass weapons/armor

The moods seem to have changed. One of my dwarfs went fey, made a nice hematite mug, and is now a legendary... Engraver. Very wierd, he also had no stoneworking or other craftdwarf skills. But he was a competent mason. This was also my fifth dwarf who took the same craftworkshop, so it's a bit strange. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 17:36, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Six fey dwarf, all took the craftdwarfshop, now my bowyer took one. Think it might be a bug. Is the 15 artifacts limit still in? --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:34, 8 November 2007 (EST)

:: Whohoo my second legendary engraver made a gold mug. My bowyer became a legendary engraver. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 14:40, 8 November 2007 (EST)
::: Scratch all that, one of my woodworkers just used a carpenters shop. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 07:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:Have you marked all statements in the article that risks being falsified with <nowiki>{{verify}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 19:41, 6 November 2007 (EST)

Hey, I am getting a dwarf who wants "raw...crystal". Help? -- [[User:Bovinepro|Bovinepro]]
:Probably wants raw crystal glass. I had a dwarf ask for "raw...green", they wanted raw green glass. Looks like Toady might have moved the glass demands out of the "rough...color" category. [[User:Iddq?|Iddq?]]

About the engravers taking over craftdwarf's shops and becoming legendary engravers afterwards is quite true. I recently got a bunch of immigrants, and the engraver that came with them fell into a strange mood before even crossing the bridge on my river. He took over a craftdwarf's workshop and made a basalt scepter, and now he's legendary level in engraving. So yeah, perfect laboratory conditions, he was 100% engraver when he went into his mood and came out a legendary engraver. --[[User:Zhang5|Zhang5]] 17:07, 12 November 2007 (EST)

It seems that no craft skill is required. I just had a peasant go into a strange mood. His skills were: competent marksdwarf; novice wrestler; novice armor wearer. He grabbed a craftsdwarf's workshop and 10 items (3xFelsite, Schorls, Tigereyes, Red Beryls, Giant cave swallow leather, Grizzly Bear Leather, Rough harlequin opals and Ash logs -- guess he has expensive taste?) and churned out an idol in relatively short order. This is my 9th successful mood in this fortress, and I've seen requests for between 3 and 10 items, personally. Since they seem to be increasing in complexity, I've either hit the item cap, or I'm about to break ten :) [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 16:34, 19 November 2007 (EST)
:This is consistent with older versions. Moody peasants would become crafters, and 10 items was the cap. The minimum was 1 item -- generally when constructing a "perfect gem".--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:55, 19 November 2007 (EST)

I had a miner go into a strange mood, take over a mason's workshop, and make a something that got him up to legendary miner status. In my current fort, I have had 6 artifacts made, 2 of which were actual moods and 5 of which were possessions (I can add, one of them failed and the dwarf became a babbling wreck). My dwarves love to use only one item: an oak door (1 item), an olivine coffin (2 items), a turtle shell mask (1 item and is my cheapest artifiact at 3600), a diorite amulet (3 items), and a perfect jelly opal (1 item). --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 18:47, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Where to add the info that in my game (.33c) a miner took over a mason's workshop, became legendary miner and then held the artifact in his right hand instead of a pick, which became 'hauled', then droped the pick and then took the pick with his left hand? He can mine after all these. While holding a 667 weight units cabinet in his right hand. --[[User:Another|Another]] 10:07, 1 December 2007 (EST)

I had dwarf Miller, profecienty Grower who had Fey Mood, and he became a Legendary Mason ....
Is it normal ? [[user:Feydreva|Feydreva]]

One of my dwarves has become possessed and is demanding cloth, bones and stone, which I have plenty of. But he refuses to go fetch them. Is there something I'm doing wrong?—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Patarak|Patarak]] ([[User talk:Patarak|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Patarak|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}
: They want either silk or fiber cloth. Make sure you have both! [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 03:40, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Aargh! One of my dwarves went secretive and is demanding a huge list of stuff. He seems to be demanding two types of stone because the "sketches quarry" message stays on twice as long as the others. I have (and he has gathered) flint: is there any way to tell what kind of stone he wants? --[[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 011:55, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I had a Glassmaker that sat around when I had a lot of Magma Glass Furnaces, but then decided to get going when I made a regular Glass Furnace. Seems like they will only use a specific kind. Not sure yet if it's random. Might be they won't take the Magma Glass Furnace in version 38a. Can anyone verify? --[[User:Afbee|Afbee]] 05:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

: My Glassmaker successfully used Magma Glass Furnace in a fey mood. --[[User:Digger|Digger]] 07:54, 24 February 2008 (EST)

==Maximum number of artifacts==
Well, I just got my umpteenth mood, and it resulted in the 16th successfully created artifact.(33b) So that 15 cap thing is clearly wrong. As it happens, this single artifact is worth 754,800, and is an adamantine spear decorated with, among other things, adamantine. For the record, in case this data is important to someone tabulating number of ingredients, my moods in order created the following objects using the corresponding number of ingredients: (Flute, 4; Mechanism, 4; Spear, 3; Millstone, 6; Ring, 8; Chest, 7; Cape, 7; Ring, 9; Statue, 8; Idol, 10; earring, 8; Buckler, 8; Table, 3; Mechanism, 10; Bracelet, 5; and Spear, 8). [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:54, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Do fell/macabre moods still exist? I haven't seen any for quite a few versions. It'd be nice to have that verified.—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rabek|Rabek]] ([[User talk:Rabek|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Rabek|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}

== clarification on "trade" skills ==

Are trade skills all the skills that produce items with some level of quality? Mainly I want to know if dyer is a trade skill. And how does that work with miner? I didn't think miner was a trade skill. Maybe someone who knows more than me could clarify in the wiki.
I just got my first artifact. It's worth 2400. The dwarf took one log and made a scepter. -[[User:Radtse|Radtse]]

:I don't know exactly, we should make a list of the skills we know are not trade skills. I'll start: my brewer/grower once got a strange mood and made a wood item and gained woodcrafting skill. Let's try to only add to the list when we have experienced a moody dwarf with that skill only.--[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 19:36, 27 December 2007 (EST)

::I'm adding Weaver and Furnace Operator to this list, since they're on the wiki. I haven't seen them myself, but I'm assuming someone else has. Knowing that Furnace Operator is a "fey-able" skill will be quite helpful.-[[User:Radtse|Radtse]] 18:28, 29 December 2007 (EST)

:::Where's cooking fit in? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 20:09, 6 January 2008 (EST)

List of non-trade skills:

* [[Brewer]]
* [[Grower]]
* [[Miller]]

Skills that may be used and gained by dwarves with no trade skills:

* [[Wood crafter]]
* [[Stone crafter]]

Skills that use a different skill(See list above), but give correct skill:

* [[Miner]]
* [[Engraver]]
* [[Furnace Operator]]
* [[Weaver]]

::::For the record, i can confirm both Furnace Operator and Weaver, since no one else has commented to verify them thus far. (The weaver actually surprised me when it happened). --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:43, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

== mood condition ==
The 20 dwarves / no crazy stuff has been found while looking at the binary of v0.27.169.33d, might be different now, but i don't think so. [[User:Bartavelle|Bartavelle]] 15:08, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Regarding the calulations for required maximum existing artifacts (items/200 and dugout/(48*48)) wouldn't it make more sense to either use the squared symbol, or the actual result of that square (which was the original number actually discovered/revealed I believe)? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:17, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:<sup>2</sup> --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 21:28, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

== Random Workshop Seizure ==

I just had a gem cutter seize a carpenter's workshop and make a perfect gem; upon completion I had a worthless Legendary dwarf and a new jeweler's workshop, so I guess that's still in from the previous version. I've removed the verify in the article. [[User:Tacroy|Tacroy]] 16:51, 9 January 2008 (EST)

:nonsense. Should be a bigger chance of making ZOMG high-quality gem crafts now ;) --[[User:Frostedfire|Frostedfire]] 07:35, 18 February 2008 (EST)

::More to the point, if you don't like the profession your dwarf has Legendary in...draft for the stats! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:16, 18 February 2008 (EST)

== forbidden items ==

Do moody dwarfs use forbidden items? Will they demand forbid items? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 02:07, 21 February 2008 (EST)

== Impossible Requests? ==
Will dwarves try to use items that you just don't have access to? I had a dwarf asking for silk when I haven't imported any and I'm pretty sure there isn't a giant spider anywhere. Also asking for "rocks" when I have mined at least one of each type of rock that is visible (requiring rocks from unmined areas seem pretty harsh). Also a request for "metal bars" when I have smeltered at least one of each ore I have found and made at least one of each possible alloy. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 23:27, 26 February 2008 (EST)
:Yeah, impossible stuff is all my dwarves ever want. :-P Right now mine appears to want stone I don't have, and no traders have come by with any stone.... So my guys are frantically mining in various directions.... [[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 13:59, 7 March 2008 (EST)

::As far as i can tell they never request anything it is truly impossible for you to get. Available by trade seems to imply possible for the game engine though. Too bad if its the start of winter (which is when all my moods which require things I don't have and can't produce happen, of course). But if there's no sand on your map at all you will not be asked for glass, since you can't trade for sand. (If there's 5 tiles of sand under that underground lake you haven't found yet... sucks to be you - my first fortress lost 3 dwarves to this). So yes, requiring things present on the map that you haven't found yet appears to be possible and routine. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:48, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

== Procastinator! ==

I just had a moody dwarf demand bones, wood, rocks, and cloth.

He got the rocks okay, and then did nothing for ages. Then, as soon as the fire imp corpse rotted away, he ran down and got the bones, then ran over to my wood stockpile and got a piece of wood...

Do they need to get their ingredients in order now?--[[User:Shadow archmagi|Shadow archmagi]] 06:28, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:i think so, not that it matters, he wont start unless he has ALL the ingridents.

== gems ==
My moody dwarf asked for 2 kinds of rough gems, but i had cut all rough ones at that point. So i "printed out" all layers and started checking for leftover gems in the walls. Guess what, he picked the first 2 kinds i mined. So either

* random/pure luck (don't think so)
* they only ask what they "see"
* they only ask what is somehow on the map
* or they might even adapt somewhat to availability, but i doubt that. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 15:59, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

== Just standing around? ==

I have a dwarf who was possessed, but won't leave the main hall. He's also a novice in everything, but to be safe I've already cleared the shops. It's winter of my first year, but somehow I've already had 2 waves of immigrants. Back to the point, I'm afraid he's going to wait out the mood and go berserk. Help?
--[[User:Ilmmad|Ilmmad]] 20:00, 6 March 2008 (EST)
:Well, make sure u ve got one workshop of every possible kind available - there are however quite a few u dont need to build, its covered in the article. Check for locked doors or otherwise blocked access (bridges, channels, statues..) Dont forget furnaces, glass and magma. Check with 'q' if all workshops are completely build. If it doesnt help consider building workshops not related to his skills, or more "exotic" ones, like Ashery or Alchemist. No one can guarantee that Toady didnt have some new fun ideas ;) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:59, 6 March 2008 (EST)

== stark raving suicide ==

My mechanic wanted silk cloth, which I didn't have, and eventually gone insane ("stark raving mad" to be precise).
Seconds after that I had message that he died in heat (I had artificial magma pool nearby).
He probably jumped into the pool like in melancholy. Main article states that only melancholic dwarves kill themselves in such way.
Could anyone confirm that mad ones do that too, and this wasn't just an accident/bug? [[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 16:59, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

:Perhaps it ''was'' an accident -- I seem to recall that "stark raving mad" ones wander around at random. Perhaps it wandered into the lava. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 18:30, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

== Glassmaker with no glass ==

I had an immigrant glassworker get a mood, seize a glass workshop, and created an artifact made entirely of gemstones. No glass involved or asked for. (No sand on the map, anyway.) He turned into a Legendary Glassworker, despite having never made a glass anything.

== Rewrite ==

I think I got most of the old information and then some into the new article. Please make any necessary modifications. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 01:22, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

== Silk Cloth ==

I had a dwarf demand silk cloth, but he refused to use my giant cave spider silk cloth. I didn't have any regular cave spider silk cloth. To verify that the silk was the problem, I used Companion to change the silk demand to any stone, and he immediately collected the rest of the materials and constructed the artifact.
Can anyone else confirm that giant cave spider silk cloth does '''not''' count as silk cloth?

40d:Losing

2008-05-11T19:15:34Z

Doniazade:

Losing is fun!

Either way, it keeps you busy.

Most new players will lose their first few forts; <s>if</s> when you lose a fortress, don't feel like you don't understand the game. Dwarf Fortress has a steep learning curve, and part of the appeal is discovering things for yourself. However, this Wiki serves as an excellent place to speed up the learning process.

If you lose, you can always [[reclaim fortress mode|reclaim fortress]] or go visit it in [[adventurer mode]].

If you're looking for more ways to <s>die horribly</s> test yourself, try either the [[Challenge Builds]] or the [[Goals]] pages.

== Autopsy ==

Various things can cause you to lose a fortress.

=== Losing your miners ===

If your [[miner]]s are killed in a collapse and their equipment destroyed, chances are good that you will no longer be able to continue your efforts. Consider abandoning your fortress. Alternatively, you can try to keep your fortress running long enough to request additional [[pick]]s from your Outpost [[Liaison]], who will arrive with the next dwarven trade [[caravan]]. It will take another year before they will return. 
Also consider the tedious but fun option of making buildings outside! If your [[woodcutter]]s with [[axe]]s are still available, then you can build structures of [[wood]]. This is not recommended for very new players though, as it is intensely resource-demanding and takes a lot of managing to get right. (Also not recommended if you don't understand the z-axis system yet.)

=== Starvation ===

A serious danger, generally in the more inhospitable climates, is the loss of your dwarves due to starvation; if you are in the heart of a mountain with no [[soil]] to build on, it is possible you will not be able to establish [[farm]]s. As dwarves begin to starve, they will become Hungry, then Starving. This will cause them to become very angry. When they die, their friends will become upset and will become even angrier, potentially causing the remainder of your fortress to break out in a terminal brawl.

Don't forget your alternative sources of [[food]]. Try [[butchering]] your [[animals]], [[plant gathering|gathering plants]], or resorting to [[hunting]] of local wildlife.

===Dehydration===

One of the biggest problems with a fortress that has no [[brook]], [[stream]], [[river]], or other source of fresh [[water]]. Water must be rapidly gathered from stagnant pools and stored into an indoor basin or water tower, with sufficient depth before it [[evaporate]]s. If this fails, all of the water on the map will evaporate and your dwarves will be left without any water. Without access to water any injured dwarves will slowly die of dehydration, since they can't drink alcohol.

[[Brewing]] can alleviate these problems, but in the future brewing will also require water.

===Flooding accidents===

The opposite side of the dehydration spectrum is having too ''much'' water. Remember that water can [[flow]] in 10 directions (the 8 horizontal ones as well as up and down). It is also worth remembering that, unlike water, magma does not flow upwards.

If your fortress is beginning to flood from [[Water#Sourced Water|sourced water]], abandon all of the levels the water can reach immediately—drafting dwarves into the [[military]] and stationing them onto the surface if need be. You will never be able to recover those areas unless you can manage to pump out the water faster than it floods in, which can take over a year or two of game time to establish a functioning automated pump system. Generally, a flooding accident spells doom for your fortress.

===Invasion===

The [[goblin]]s first come with about a dozen soldiers to [[siege]] your fort. Then they come again with about two dozen. Then three. Soon enough your [[trap]]s are all sprung, your [[door]]s beaten down, and your dwarves are dead. Without some simple [[Fortress defense|defense]]s, such as a [[moat]], a horde of goblins on your doorstep can be deadly.

===Wildlife===

Goblins aren't the only creatures that want you dead. Be it [[unicorn|unicorns]], [[hippo|hippos]], [[undead]] [[elephant|elephants]] or a [[giant cave spider]], a sudden wildlife attack can quickly cripple or destroy an unprepared fortress.

===Volcanic Death===

Toady has stated that in the future volcanoes will be much less stable and much more deadly.

===General Unhappiness===

Think it's no big deal to leave your dwarves with a mediocre dining room, living room, and a generally inadequate fortress?

If there is little in a fortress to give your dwarves happy [[thoughts]] and enough to give them unhappy [[thoughts]], then your dwarves will start to throw tantrums, go melancholy, and destroy your civilization. Unhappiness is more likely to occur if your fortress is suffering other kinds of downfall.

[[ru:Поражение]]

40d:Stone management

2008-05-11T15:05:54Z

Doniazade: /* Dump */

[[Mine]] for long enough and you'll find yourself surrounded with various [[stone]]s and [[ore]]s. How do you get rid of them?

Here follows several '''stone management''' techniques.

== Techniques ==

=== Dump ===
This method is easy and useful. However, it could easily be considered an exploit, and might not work in later versions.{{version|0.27.176.38c}}

# Make a [[zone]] of 1x1 or 1x2 tiles, preferably either near the stones you want to get rid of or your stone-needy [[workshop]]s, and mark it as a garbage dump.
# Press {{k|k}} and find a stone. Press {{k|d}}, and the stone will be marked for dumping. Alternatively, use the stocks menu (faster for mass dumping, but requires some [[bookkeeper]] labor first). You could also use a [[Macros_and_Keymaps#Designation_Dump|dumping macro]] to designate large amounts of stones at once. However, macros do not discriminate between stones and other items, so it is best to use them right after you dig out a new area.
# A dwarf with refuse-hauling will come by, and take the stone to the garbage dump.

* '''Advantage''': No matter how many stones you mark for dumping, they will all be placed on the same tiny garbage tile. So basically, mark all the stones you want dumped and they will be dumped. You are now able to place '''all''' the stones and ores in the fortress on 1 tile.
* '''Disadvantage''':
** Every dumped stone will be marked as "[[Forbidden]]", and will not be used in stone-production. Use the designation 'Reclaim Items' ({{k|d}}-{{k|c}}) to reclaim the entire pile. ''(If you want to only use specific stones, you must press {{k|k}}, find the pile, and press {{k|f}} on every stone you want on the list, using {{k|+}}/{{k|-}} to navigate through the list. [[Macros_and_Keymaps|Macros]] may come in handy when employing this method.)''
** Anything else you dump, will end up on those piles too.
** Take care not to lose overview if you use several or temporary dumps.

If the dwarves are instructed to dump the stone into a garbage zone over bottomless lava or chasm, that stone will fall off the bottom of the map and journey back to the center of the Earth.

If you wish to get rid of the stone permanently, it seems less of an exploit to create a magma channel through your fort and mark the edge as a garbage pit. Any stone disposed of will be chucked into the magma, melt, and be gone from your fortress forever. Of course, the disadvantage is that for anything else you mark as garbage will also be lost forever (and unable to be reclaimed).

=== Making use of stone and blocks ===

Use your masons to the fullest by creating roads, blocks, furniture, floodgates. Blocks can be stored in bins, but bins cannot be made from stone so this diverts wood or metal from other uses.

Craftdwarfs at high levels can produce large quantities of rock crafts very quickly, but this trades the problem of clutter from tons of stone to clutter from tons of crafts. However, crafts can be sold to foreign traders and often merchants have plenty of room for a lot of goods.

You can also use stones (and blocks) to build large structures above ground, and floors over areas such as sand, silt, or loam. The building interface might be slow, but not only do you use up the stone from your excavations, but you also create usable indoor space without having to mine any additional stone.

=== Catapult ===
Build a [[catapult]] (or three), and assign a dwarf (or five) to keep firing stones into walls, or at [[camel]]s. This destroys the stone and also trains dwarves in [[Siege operator|siege operating]].

==== Rock chute ====

You can dig a [[channel]], and make a [[zone]] over an adjacent tile. Mark it as a garbage dump, and dwarves will dump stones flagged as "forbidden" down the channel. The stones will end up in the bottom tile.

==== Rock compactor ====

Similar to the rock chute, but build a drawbridge in the pit and a pressure plate at the entrance to the chute, linked to the bridge. Make sure you set the pressure plate to trigger on citizens. Alternately, just link it to a lever and pull it every once in a while. Mark the channel and empty tile as a dump zone. When a stone is dropped, the drawbridge will crush the stone, permanently destroying it. Note: make sure the bridge is '''up''' when stones are dumped down it, or it will fling stone back up the channel. To achieve this, you will need to hook up another lever, and pull it once before any dwarves go on the pressure plate.

Level Z:
=====
==.==
== ==
==^==

Level Z-1:
=====
=BBB=
=BBB=
==D==

. - Channel
= - Wall
^ - Pressure plate
B - Drawbridge - make sure to set to raise while constructing, as opposed to retract.
D - Door - keep locked to avoid accidently crushing dwarves

==== Magma melting ====
Create a 2-tiles garbage area, one on magma and the other on the floor next to it, and mark all your stones to dump in the stock area (press {{k|z}}, then Stocks, then go to Stones, press {{k|Tab}} to display all stones, and {{k|d}} for each stone). Your dwarves will put all your stones into magma, and after some time, provided you have Temperature activated, the stones will disappear.

=== Minimizing clutter ===
The easiest way to avoid stone clutter is not to produce it in the first place. Use unskilled miners for initial fortress excavation to reduce the amount of useless stone they create, and don't dig out more than necessary. Produce lots of [[barrel|barrels]] and [[bin|bins]] to cut down on your need for stockpile space.

However, unskilled miners also have a low chance of creating valuable stones and gems when they dig out a tile. It may require some micromanagement to prevent unskilled miners from wasting potentially valuable materials.

=== Stockpile ===
'''This is not a recommended method due to space requirements.'''
Build a large [[stockpile]] for stone away from your fortress. Dwarves will carry stones out to the stockpile, and they will no longer clutter up your fortress. The stockpile needs to be placed somewhere without stones, because only 1 stone will be placed per tile, and will result in long hauling trips.

=== Block Stockpile ===
Simply have the stone cut into blocks then stockpiled. As long as you have enough bins, this works quite well, since 10 blocks can be stored in a single bin. Depending on the rate you mine out the fortress, you may need several (Or even a dozen) Mason workshops. Just set them up wherever you want the stone cleared, and have them removed when they are no longer sitting amidst a pile of stone. This will also train up extra masons, which is helpful if you decide to make any large scale constructions. A word of warning: The maximum number of artifacts your fortress will produce is based on the lowest of two numbers based off of mined out rock, and items produced. If you use this method to mine out a huge area, make sure you're prepared for the artifacts which could skyrocket your wealth very early, leading to seiges, nobles, and huge immigrant waves.

== Reasons for managing stone ==

=== Stockpiles ===
On some stockpiles, you will be unable to use the tiles that contain a stone. It will therefore be a good thing to clear up room for the things you want to stockpile. Alternatively, if the top Z level comprises soil/loam rather than rock, then you can clear it out for stockpiles without worrying about stones filling the new space.

=== Aesthetics ===
Many players find the fortress more enjoyable to look at if it looks nice and uniform. Random stones lying about are clutter which block the view of a tile and prevent stockpiles from being filled. Create smooth clear floor for a leaner, fitter, happier fortress.

=== Not '''Actually''' Necessary ===
You hardly need to remove stones at all, unless they block a building site (of beds,doors,walls..). Clearing out the fortress for stone is more of a personal priority rather than an essential need or requirement. Remember that there is no such thing as '''excess''' stone to a dwarf.

[[Category:Guides]]

{{Mining FAQ}}

40d Talk:Pregenerated worlds

2008-05-11T14:44:00Z

Doniazade:

40d Talk:Pregenerated worlds

2008-05-11T14:43:10Z

Doniazade:

== Standardization ==
Along with creating a template for the entries, the images need to all be with the standard character sets and not with a graphical set. It's not very useful to be looking at images one is unfamiliar with - may as well not upload the images. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:39, 10 December 2007 (EST) 
::Definitely something to work on with standardizing the information on seeds. Though maybe later, as all you really need to be able to look at is the X marking locations and size of the box on the local map. I finished categorizing the seeds, and later will be trying to work out a general format for seed entries/later submittals. --[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 18:07, 10 December 2007 (EST)
 
Personally, I find the way Chariot implemented his seed page[http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/User:Chariot/SEED_196405198] wonderful. The seed entry here on the pregen page could use a little more detail (OS&DF version for instance) but the separate page with site-by-site breakdowns is great! I've got little/no experience with wikis, but I'm wondering if it would be possible to make a template to do that, and make it easy for any new seeds to be added using the template. Among other things, it would keep discussion of seeds specific to their own pages, and leave this discussion free to concentrate on the generalities of seeds and pre-gen worlds. In addition, it should either be reclassified or duplicated to indicate that it's also a 0/low rejects seed. --[[User:n9103|n9103]] 11:10, 17 Dec 2007 (PST)
:I made a quickly thrown together template for seeded worlds [[Template:Seeded World]], and have made a copy of Pauls world (for .33f) in it. It still needs alot of tuning (especially conditional #if for when entries are left open), as well as better handling (or rather handling at all) for worlds with multiple good starting locations. (Not really sure how this last point can be handled most cleanly from the perspective of the user.) Interrested in feedback as to the usefulness of such a template.. --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 18:35, 17 December 2007 (EST)
::Looks nice and pretty functional. As to additional sites, would it be possible to use templates within templates? Specifically, reproducing the current template for the site portion multiple times within it's own set of show/hide areas for each site. Just an idea on that coming from someone that doesn't know squat about advanced wiki-ing. Unless empty entries break the template, should they need handling at all? (since I read somewhere that this wiki doesn't do ifs. Great Work so far! --[[User:n9103|n9103]] 19:45, 17 Dec 2007 (PST)

== Clean up? ==
It was asked why I deleted a seed earlier, and I may just go back and edit it so that it mentions that I tested the seed on two different machines and got vastly different results on the seed than the original seed poster did (see history for seed number). Also, what is your guy's opinions on deleting/redoing entries without maps/pictures or without any major sites of interest? Example: Seed 0 mentions a spot to start at a terrifying volcano but you cannot even embark there.

PS - I'm going to move seeds according to quick creation time (low rejects) and features if possible.

Also, added a nice find to the pre-generated world's list.
--[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 16:42, 10 December 2007 (EST)

::Unless we are speaking at cross purposes ... I am playing a game right now at the suggested start spot from Seed 0. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 17:27, 10 December 2007 (EST)

:::I'll just nuke the useless volcano in the tundra image for now as this is fairly common and taking up room - and you cannot embark anywhere near there. I understand that the seed is worth keeping because of 0 rejects. But in terms of useless information taking up space, that was the point I was trying to make. --[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 17:30, 10 December 2007 (EST)

::::I see what you're talking about - I think that picture was just there to show that a volcano was in fact in the tundra, because that isn't the photo associated with the place s/he was suggested one should play. That's the other photo. The only purpose to the one you're refering to is to demonstrate that it's indeed a cool map, I suppose. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 18:30, 10 December 2007 (EST)

: Well I asked you why you deleted the seed I put back up, if it really doesn't work on other computers then I have no problem taking it down, but I've had no trouble regenerating it and I've had no problem generating other people's seeds. Something you need to do though is make sure you don't alter the settings at all. If there are issues where it only works on certain computers, that's interesting in and of itself, but I haven't seen any evidence of that myself so far. I should add, I do support cleaning up, the page is a mess beyond belief, and I agree some of the seeds are amazingly stupid. [[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 18:16, 10 December 2007 (EST)
:: If it works on your computer under repeatable circumstances, leave it up but have a warning tag of some sort :) We could use good seeds. When I have time I will be purging some of the more useless seeds and attempting to clean up here and there. Maybe have some information about your system info/processor/windows or linux? We don't know how these things sometimes affects seed generation. Don't feel bad, the seed I just posted I found out has variable flux/farmable land/sand based on which computers you generated from - and deleting the seed was just jumping the gun on my part.--[[User:KaelGotRice|KaelGotRice]] 19:15, 10 December 2007 (EST)
::: I've repeated it a few times. Processor is AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200 Dual Core 90nm 939-pin, OS is XP SP2. Now that you mention that flux thing I do seem to remember someone mentioning something once about a slightly modified map. I'll try to find that at some point to see if there were any relevant details. [[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 14:13, 11 December 2007 (EST)

===Removal of older pre-generated worlds===
[[User:N9103]] and [[User:Fedor]] had a bit of a back and forth as to cleaning up older PreGen (Pre-generated) worlds. 
Fedor brought up that some of the changes in map generation since then are for the better, and how most people would probably expect the most recent generation rules to be in effect. 
Edward brought up how the actual world had no changes and were still perfectly usable. 
Fedor brought up that many minerals and gems were typically missing in maps generated in 33e and earlier. Edward agrees on this point. 
Edward and Fedor came to the agreement that it should be a community decision as to whether older (33e&f) PreGens should be left on the wiki. 

Please leave your opinion for this decision, along with any suggestions!

:Leave them on the page with a note that the rock-layer-generating code changed, so the same worlds generated under the current version would have different mineral abundances. If they were incompatible or somehow vastly inferior, then I'd agree with their removal, but having different minerals strikes me as quite minor.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 03:57, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:For the downloadable worlds leave them as is, or update descriptions if anything actually changes. Although I thought that the downloadable ones would fixed at that point. As for the seeds I'd either leave them there if they are still good, or possible archive them to a pregenerated worlds/version page if we get too many. --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 06:24, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:Remove, users can check the history of the page if they want the older stuff. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:28, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:They could be moved to the seed pages for older versions. A lot of the older maps have completely different features(magma, hidden fun stuff, underground lakes) than advertised when played on 38c. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 09:49, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

== Logging sites ==
I like the idea of logging specific sites to seeds, but how is the best way we can organize this? for a good location explaination you probably need a picture. But if we add a lot of pictures to each seed we get a large cluttered page. What shall we do? Add subpages for specific seeds? Try to think of a generic way to log nice sites (for example: Seed: 12323241 coords:12,13 has: ruins, vent, pit, trees, iron , gold, undead elephants of death, more eagels than the US has fighter planes, etc). (Is it possible to determine the coords of a site on the world map?)

And also, I think it is possible to create non number seeds. I'm going to test this.
--[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 08:34, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
: No for non numbers. --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 09:10, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

The forum had a good suggestion. Lets store all the seeds that reject few regions while you create them. (Or at least reject as few regions as possible). The first one with the vulcano in the woods rejects 9 regions. The seed 2 gives a world after 3 rejects according to the forum. http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001234 --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 09:10, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

This thread should be interesting. There's even a world with zero rejects. 
http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001247 [[User:Death Dragon|Death Dragon]] 02:34, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Does anybody know how to link to a specific post of the forum? [[User:Death Dragon|Death Dragon]] 12:38, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:As far as I know, there isn't a way. This version of the bulletin board code does not place "name" links within the generated forum thread tables as some others do, so no appending of a "#name" to the URL can possibly scroll the browser directly to the post. The best we can do is link to the correct page of the thread and rely on the reader to scroll to the correct post him/herself. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:55, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

== Coordinates ==

This was mentioned briefly on the forum, but we should make some rules for finding specific locations on the map,
As in there is a magma vent in a tile with no volcano near at this position
The question is whether or not to use coordinates that refer to the map you get when you export your map (the big one), or to refer to coordinates in the 3 sections thats show up when you are selecting were to embark to. I'm actually not positive, they match up.
I'm pretty sure the map you get from exporting is 257x308, and I'm not 100% on this, but I think the middle map of the embark mode is exactly the same, I just looked through it, and it seems this way, but I thought (and maybe this was a remnant from 32a) that it didn't if someone else can confirm or deny it that'd be nice.

Anyhow I propose using that middle map as the basis of coordinates: we use the most general map (which is 15x16) and follow it by actual map position, and lastly where in the local map it is. also I propose using what tile it is to define it on each map as well.

here's an example (which you can verify using [SEED:2260691361])

General: (yellow n) 
14 Lat, and 2 lon 
Coordinates: (yellow i) 
220 lat, and 33 lon 
Location: (green i)-(green i) 
1-3 lat, and 5-7 lon 

You have here a elf forest retreat.
 
--[[User:Bevilr|Bevilr]] 22:03, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

====Can't use the middle map sorry====
It's always centered on the cursor. Also the large exported map - it may be bugged presently as it seems possible to find regions that are off the edge of what's exported. What would be possible would be to count the steps past where the position on the world (right-most) map changed, this seems to happen every 16 X or Y steps. Suggest indexing from the bottom left (top right if negative values used).
[[User:Djp|Djp]] 01:10, 22 November 2007 (EST)

:Use the world map to see where the approximate location is on the full map and the middle map for landmarks in that vicinity to figure out where the exact site is.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 00:45, 23 November 2007 (EST)

== Individual entries ==

I like the way #3089130238 laid out the information for that seed. We could definitely use a standard layout for this page. Is there anything else we should be including for each seed, besides the number of map rejections?--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:05, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:I definitely agree with this, and would love to see some sort of template, for (A) each world, and (B) sites of interest in each world--[[User:Bevilr|Bevilr]] 22:06, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
::A layout would be good, but keep in mind that the required bits should be accessible from either the exportable world map or fortress mode site selection. Otherwise, it could become an ungodly hassle to fill out the form and then there'd be no more additions. --[[User:BDR|BDR]] 07:22, 4 November 2007 (EST)

Seed 92003: I like the volcano named "The Big Flame." It makes me laugh! --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 13:56, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Can we please put in seed 1337? (it has 2 or 4 rejects... i cant remember which, if absolutly nothing else... and it has lots of good stuff on it to... i found so many good sites... it was hard to pick which one to... well pick.) but really, its seed 1337, check it out. --[[User:pbhead|pbhead]] 18:20 November 2007 (EST)

:What was good about the sites? People sometimes have very different ideas of what makes for a good world.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:56, 21 November 2007 (EST)

== Template ==

{{Seeded World
|seed = 4265985437
|name = The Legendary Ever-Realm
|rejects = 51
|version = .33f
|genname = RANDOM
|link = http://hyperfileshare.com/d/f91fae26
|comment = This is a most rude stealing of Paul's map above for the purpose of testing this template, changes are bound to happen, please comment in discussion thread/make improvements as you see fit.
|image = [[Image:4265985437.PNG|thumb|500px]]
|features = [[Magma]], cave river, chasm, adamantine, sand, trees, flux and iron.
|missing = Giant cave spiders??
}}

I moved this example template from the main article. Discussion should go at [[Template talk:Seeded World]]. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 17:22, 23 December 2007 (EST)

==Organization==
I think we should try to better organize the seeds, into a table or such, something like [[User:Valdemar/Seeds|this]]. It would really help to see all of the seeds at a glance. We should also try to take all screenshots using 0x517A5D's excellent [[Utilities#Regional_Prospector|Regional Prospector]], to reveal all the hidden mountain features. --[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 15:42, 26 December 2007 (EST)

== Re: 4265985437 - The Legendary Ever-Realm ==

On Vista, it is generated with the same name, but with 71 rejects and a completely different map. (33g) Alas! [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 00:32, 28 December 2007 (EST)

:That's because of changed map generation algotythm in 33g. (Maybe this should be placed in discussion?) [[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 01:02, 28 December 2007 (EST)

:There's a download link provided for that world, so just download it.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:38, 28 December 2007 (EST)

==Multiple Continents and STUFF!==
Just poking around here. Has anyone seen/generated a world with multiple continents? I've seen plenty of Island, but there's always only one continent and all the "oceans" look more like oversized lakes. Could someone post a world with multiple coninents and if possible realistic oceans? Oh, and has anyone noticed that the polar icecaps are more like large tundras rather than, well, large glaciers... My worlds usually end up so warm, I wonder if the dwarfs have a problem with global warming. [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 15:40, 28 December 2007 (EST)

:Depending on your definition of continent, I've gotten two separate land masses that weren't connected. But considering the scale of the DF Worlds, it's not surprising there aren't really convincing oceans. If you assume that each tile is about 1m², (pretty reasonable) then each DF world is only 38,654 km² (14,924mi²) in total surface area. Considering that the Land Surface Area of the Earth is oh, around 4,000 Times larger, and that's not even counting the water area... So yea, a world with a real ocean would be sorta like playing on the corner of a volcanic island. :P --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 19:32, 28 December 2007 (EST)

::Not to be rude, but I think you made a error in your calculations. Please do consider that Europe alone is more than ten million square kilometers. I think you made a error when you considered "dwarf" squares per embark squares per world squares. Also, considering that the world's biggest mountain is 8848m high and the highest DF mountains are 250 Z-levels high(if I remember correctly), one DF Z-level must be more than 35m. Even when the highest DF mountain would be 5000m, a Z-level should be 20m. At the same time one average story of a building is ca 4m and putting this into z-levels gives us a maximum mountain size of 1000m. Small, huh? Oh, don't forget that that is the height from the lowest bottom of an "ocean", meaning that the real values are even more ridiculous. I can't imagine a ocean in the DF world in your scale at all. Speaking of oceans, I just generated a world with an ridiculous ocean. It's less than 15x15 in size and doesn't even show up on the world map in embark screen. Then there's the stone layers. In a 40000km² area there should be no more than a handful of stone layers, but in a DF world there's hundreds!
::This is sounding very DF-critical, but I really love this game. It's just that that the world generation can be very weird. Oh! And to make this post even longer for kicks. I just generated a world where three oceans divide the world into two, what I would call, continents, but because of two small land bridges they are counted as one. Compare with N. + S. America and Europe + Asia + Africa. Nuff...
::PS. Did you manually add your sig to translate your nick? [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 13:56, 29 December 2007 (EST)

:::RE Land Mass: Total Earth Land Area: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth Total DF Land Area: [[Regions]]
:::Why should DF world relate directly to the real world? Who says that DF mountains would even be as tall as Earth's? You made quite a few derivative calculations on a rather large assumption, IMO. All I've been trying to establish is that there really isn't a point to trying to compare the DF World to the real one. If you're trying to counter that argument, I'm really unsure what the point of most of your comments were. If you're trying to confirm it, then your comments still don't make much sense.
:::As for the sig, I added the normal signature to my nickname preference, changed the field manually, and that's where the signature comes from.--[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:21, 29 December 2007 (EST)

==Smata Sagus download==
(The file doesn't work on my PC. I get a Fatal Error: "Missing Reaction Definition" -[[User:Zara|Zara]] 14:39, 30 January 2008 (EST))
:You're absolutely right, I'd forgotten about a couple of changes I made to the reactions. The same problem affected my other two uploaded worlds as well. My apologies. I've uploaded new copies which are made on an unmodified copy of 33g, so download it again and it will work. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 17:51, 30 January 2008 (EST)

== Organization proposal ==

I propose to place all world seeds on subpages for their corresponding version and transcluding the page with the current world seeds onto the main pregenerated worlds page.
The idea would end up something like so:

''Pregenerated worlds''

<nowiki>==Seeds==</nowiki>

<nowiki>{{:Pregenerated worlds/0.27.173.38a}}</nowiki>

''Pregenerated worlds/0.27.173.38a''

(list of seeds and descriptions)

If we do it this way there won't be a need to move large blocks of text around when the version change kills seed compatibility; instead we can change which of the pages are transcluded onto the main seed page. Any thoughts? I will probably implement this tomorrow if noone objects. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 18:57, 6 February 2008 (EST)

:Very good idea, do you envision e.g. the page ''Pregenerated worlds/version.number'' to contain both "passive" seed information as well as true pregenerated downloadable worlds?-[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 08:36, 8 February 2008 (EST)

== [[Pregenerated_worlds#Near_perfect_4X5]] - seed #: 1038428822 ==

Has anyone managed to generated the world shown in the screenshot? I generated [SEED:1038428822] with an unmodified df_27_173_38a and the world is nothing like what's displayed in the screenshot. Possibly the original poster has modified raw files that caused it to be different? There isn't much said about modified raws changing the world generated. We probably should add something about that and ask people who have modified raws to post them alongside their seeds. Does anyone have much info regarding which raws can potentially effect worldgen? Also has anyone actually ever tested the fact that different names (non-random) or OSes cause different worlds to be generated or is that just something someone put there to try and explain why there are sometimes different worlds generated? I haven't tested either yet but both sound like strange things to cause a different world to me. --[[User:Someone(r)(c)(tm)|Someone(r)(c)(tm)]] 15:04, 14 February 2008 (EST)
:Operating system still causes a different output, too, as far as I know. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 16:04, 14 February 2008 (EST)
::Then we need to write an operating system... I had absolutely different world either. (There's still a possibility of typo in a seed)--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 23:48, 14 February 2008 (EST)
:I think that that seed was for the last version (33g)--[[User:Dragonflare|Dragonflare]] 01:12, 15 February 2008 (EST)
:The Toady One himself has stated in his changelogs that OS and World name don't affect world gen. As for raws, I would assume *ANY* change to them would change the generation. Personally, I think that if you're using a mod, then you forfeit your world-posting privileges, since this is by far aimed at unmodded DF. Posting in a subpage of the mod itself would be different of course. JM2¢. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 03:31, 15 February 2008 (EST)
::Found this in the changelogs "12/19/2007: <snip> * made world generation results independent of custom name" so I'm removing the world name thing. I'm thinking of removing the OS thing as well unless someone really is sure it effects. Basically what you want to test is making the same seed using two operating systems with completely default DFs of the same version (I suggest redownloading from the site on both OSes to be sure because you might have modified the raws and forgotten or something) but I am some what doubtful that OS has any effect. I actually agree with Edward about people using mods not posting worlds but I was thinking it was possibly a bit extreme so didn't suggest it myself. Unless anyone has any objections or other suggestions perhaps we should implement it? Although probably any change to the raws effects worldgen in some way it would appear that since terrain seems to be generated first not all modifications result in completely different worlds. Since most of the seeds given here are aimed at good starting locations in the form of terrain features it's possible that some modifications to the raws won't effect it enough to change the terrain generated. Of course a 'no mods at all' policy would make things a lot simpler than a 'some mods are allowed' policy. --[[User:Someone(r)(c)(tm)|Someone(r)(c)(tm)]] 07:26, 15 February 2008 (EST)
:::iirc, Toady commented that OS shouldn't have any effect since DF makes its own random numbers. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:33, 15 February 2008 (EST)

== Pocket Worlds Impossible?? ==
I've tried numerous pocket sized universes but have always gotten 10,000+ rejects and I've given up. Does anyone have a seed for a pocket sized world? [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 03:05, 21 March 2008 (EDT)
:Hmm seems some options I changed meant I couldn't generate pocket worlds. It worked fine with a fresh copy so I'll have to check what exact changes I had made which prevented it. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 03:53, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

== Ewèlina, The Enchanted Land ==

Rock salt is not a flux. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 22:34, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
:Well that sucks. I thought all the stones listed in white on the embark screen here flux. I live and learn. Updating article. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 01:32, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Is the seed right? coz i get the right world name but that map is different... – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Balistora|Balistora]]

The downloadable worlds were generated in a different version and won't generate the same in the current one. If you want a world to generate a copy of, look at the seeds section of the article. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:44, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

== Xah Rabin - The Dimension of Omen ==
This map needs a proper description of location and features.

== The Everlasting Dimensions ==
I get a different map on 38c, XP with an Athlon64 X2 processor. Same name, though. Seems to be from a previous version?

40d Talk:Pregenerated worlds

2008-05-11T13:52:28Z

Doniazade:

40d Talk:Pregenerated worlds

2008-05-11T13:49:47Z

Doniazade: /* Removal of older pre-generated worlds */

40d Talk:Skill

2008-05-10T17:55:15Z

Doniazade: /* administrator */

==Skill Notes==

;Miner
:Allows a Dwarf to strike the earth at a more rapid pace.
;Wood Cutter
;Carpenter
;Mason
;Engraver
;Building Designer
;Weaponsmith
;Bowyer
;Armorsmith
;Metalsmith
;Furnace Operator
;Wood Burner
;Metal Crafter
;Stone Crafter
;Wood Crafter
;Bone Carver
;Gem Cutter
;Gem Setter
;Mechanic
;Fisherdwarf
;Miller
;Thresher
;Grower
;Herbalist
;Brewer
;Cook
;Weaver
;Clothier
;Dyer
:Allows a dwarf to dye with honor.
;Trapper
;Ambusher
;Butcher
;Tanner
;Leatherworker
;Fish Dissector
;Animal Dissector
;Fish Cleaner
;Cheese Maker
;Milker
;Animal Trainer
;Animal Caretaker
;Soaper
;Lye Maker
;Potash Maker
;Glassmaker
;Wrestler
;Axedwarf
;Swordsdwarf
;Macedwarf
;Hammerdwarf
;Speardwarf
;Marksdwarf
;Shield User
;Armor User
;Siege Engineer
;Siege Operator
;Pump Operator
;Swimmer
:Gives you a small amount of hope that this dwarf will not drown.
;Persuader
;Negociator
:Typo in the game: ought to be "Negotiator." ''(Note: Toady has openly noted to fixing this on his dev log.)''
;Liar
: "It's not a [[carp]], it's a gibbon, I swear!"
;Intimidator
;Judge of Intent
;Appraiser
;Organizer
;Record Keeper
;Conversationalist
;Comedian
;Flatterer
;Consoler
;Pacifier

==Skill Ranks Notes==
#Not Skilled, Dabbling
#Novice
#Named, Titular
#Competent
#Proficient
#etc.

:It's looking like it's the same as before for rank names. --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 05:01, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

===User Notes and Changes===
[[User:Renditelitan|Renditelitan]] 22:01, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
:Moved this to the talk page for discussion on what should go on the main skills page [[User:Alfador]]. I hope you don't mind. Anyone have ideas on how to categorize the all the skills? Also, would making the list of skills in their place in the game time frame make since? Like founding skills vs. town skills?

::It would make sense; Proficient and below are founding skills, Dabbling and anything above Proficient are fortress skills. (Also anything Adamantine-oriented if that's still in.) And of COURSE I don't mind, I'm ecstatic that someone more skilled in wiki format than I took it upon themselves to make something more useful out of my rudimentary list! [[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 23:02, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

Should we put lists of activities that improve a skill for every skill, or just for the ones that aren't immediately obvious like those new noble skills? --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 16:13, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

I think it's important to enumerate all the activities that give skill, and it would be nice to get numbers on the skill increases for these actions as well. It's especially important to note ALL information for what gives or doesn't give skill points for the new noble skills, but everything is useful. Like, for a miner, do ramps and channels give mining skill? Do floodgates? Does a fisherdwarf get fisherdwarf skill for constructing a fishery? If we can enumerate all possible sources of skill points for a given skill, I think we should definately do so. --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 16:52, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:One thing we might also want is a listing of what skills are USED by what job tasks. For example: whatever skill is used by the "Strand Extraction" labor, which presumably fulfills "Extract Metal Strands" manager tasks... well, presumably that's the new version of the old Adamantine skills, Adamantine Smelting having been assumed to have been unified with other smelting skill. But whatever skill that is, it can't be had from the starting screen, and so is not listed here. This will naturally require LOTS of testing on the part of all of us, since we're no longer guaranteed to even have a magma flow in a given region, much less pits and adamantine. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 10:20, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:I almost think that that kind of data should be made into a separate list, as well as listed under each skill's individual page. Lets's not clutter this one up that much. Also, anyone FOUND pits/addy yet? I'm almost certain it's too early for that, but one never knows.--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 05:07, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:: "Also, anyone FOUND pits/addy yet?" [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=000793&p=3 Yes.] --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 09:10, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

::: Yes, and there's horrible things under it. Possibly also the adamantine-triggered monarch. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 15:38, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

Should skills be a category?--[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 19:43, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

: I made one anyway. --[[User:JT|JT]] 21:31, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

====This is too specific====

This list is specific to Fortress Mode. It's missing some of the Adventure Mode skills, like [[Bowman]] and such, and lists the dwarven names for skills. --[[User:JT|JT]] 21:31, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

== administrator ==

Is there really such a profession? I have been trying to get a dwarf to gain this job title without luck so far. Has anyone managed to do it? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 15:22, 20 December 2007 (EST)
::Yes, my leader got the title Administrator briefly from raising his Organizer skill. However, he became a Clerk once his Record Keeping skill surpassed it. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 13:54, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

== military skills ==

Shouldn't the weapon skills be classified under their own color/military profession? A swordsdwarf is not a blue peasant, it's a colored military unit. Or is this only for un-drafted military units? It might confuse a newbie. --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 23:43, 3 January 2008 (EST)

== Trader ==

Dwarves which have Appraise (probably others too) skill is called a Trader. It's written in purple, like administrator. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]]

The four "admin" jobs don't really have a single "super"-profession like the others. A dwarf that has those skills is called either
* Architect (Building Designer)
* Trader (Appraiser) aka the Broker
* Administrator (Organizer) aka the Manager
* Clerk (Record Keeper) aka the Bookkeeper
In that order (I may have Administrator and Clerk the other way around). This means that one with all 4 skills on novice, will be called an Architect. If he only had the bottom 3 skills, he'd be called a Trader. And so on. [[User:Sergius|Sergius]] 21:19, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Skill

2008-05-10T17:54:54Z

Doniazade: /* administrator */

==Skill Notes==

;Miner
:Allows a Dwarf to strike the earth at a more rapid pace.
;Wood Cutter
;Carpenter
;Mason
;Engraver
;Building Designer
;Weaponsmith
;Bowyer
;Armorsmith
;Metalsmith
;Furnace Operator
;Wood Burner
;Metal Crafter
;Stone Crafter
;Wood Crafter
;Bone Carver
;Gem Cutter
;Gem Setter
;Mechanic
;Fisherdwarf
;Miller
;Thresher
;Grower
;Herbalist
;Brewer
;Cook
;Weaver
;Clothier
;Dyer
:Allows a dwarf to dye with honor.
;Trapper
;Ambusher
;Butcher
;Tanner
;Leatherworker
;Fish Dissector
;Animal Dissector
;Fish Cleaner
;Cheese Maker
;Milker
;Animal Trainer
;Animal Caretaker
;Soaper
;Lye Maker
;Potash Maker
;Glassmaker
;Wrestler
;Axedwarf
;Swordsdwarf
;Macedwarf
;Hammerdwarf
;Speardwarf
;Marksdwarf
;Shield User
;Armor User
;Siege Engineer
;Siege Operator
;Pump Operator
;Swimmer
:Gives you a small amount of hope that this dwarf will not drown.
;Persuader
;Negociator
:Typo in the game: ought to be "Negotiator." ''(Note: Toady has openly noted to fixing this on his dev log.)''
;Liar
: "It's not a [[carp]], it's a gibbon, I swear!"
;Intimidator
;Judge of Intent
;Appraiser
;Organizer
;Record Keeper
;Conversationalist
;Comedian
;Flatterer
;Consoler
;Pacifier

==Skill Ranks Notes==
#Not Skilled, Dabbling
#Novice
#Named, Titular
#Competent
#Proficient
#etc.

:It's looking like it's the same as before for rank names. --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 05:01, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

===User Notes and Changes===
[[User:Renditelitan|Renditelitan]] 22:01, 29 October 2007 (EDT)
:Moved this to the talk page for discussion on what should go on the main skills page [[User:Alfador]]. I hope you don't mind. Anyone have ideas on how to categorize the all the skills? Also, would making the list of skills in their place in the game time frame make since? Like founding skills vs. town skills?

::It would make sense; Proficient and below are founding skills, Dabbling and anything above Proficient are fortress skills. (Also anything Adamantine-oriented if that's still in.) And of COURSE I don't mind, I'm ecstatic that someone more skilled in wiki format than I took it upon themselves to make something more useful out of my rudimentary list! [[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 23:02, 29 October 2007 (EDT)

Should we put lists of activities that improve a skill for every skill, or just for the ones that aren't immediately obvious like those new noble skills? --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 16:13, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

I think it's important to enumerate all the activities that give skill, and it would be nice to get numbers on the skill increases for these actions as well. It's especially important to note ALL information for what gives or doesn't give skill points for the new noble skills, but everything is useful. Like, for a miner, do ramps and channels give mining skill? Do floodgates? Does a fisherdwarf get fisherdwarf skill for constructing a fishery? If we can enumerate all possible sources of skill points for a given skill, I think we should definately do so. --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 16:52, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
:One thing we might also want is a listing of what skills are USED by what job tasks. For example: whatever skill is used by the "Strand Extraction" labor, which presumably fulfills "Extract Metal Strands" manager tasks... well, presumably that's the new version of the old Adamantine skills, Adamantine Smelting having been assumed to have been unified with other smelting skill. But whatever skill that is, it can't be had from the starting screen, and so is not listed here. This will naturally require LOTS of testing on the part of all of us, since we're no longer guaranteed to even have a magma flow in a given region, much less pits and adamantine. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 10:20, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:I almost think that that kind of data should be made into a separate list, as well as listed under each skill's individual page. Lets's not clutter this one up that much. Also, anyone FOUND pits/addy yet? I'm almost certain it's too early for that, but one never knows.--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 05:07, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:: "Also, anyone FOUND pits/addy yet?" [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=000793&p=3 Yes.] --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 09:10, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

::: Yes, and there's horrible things under it. Possibly also the adamantine-triggered monarch. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 15:38, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

Should skills be a category?--[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 19:43, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

: I made one anyway. --[[User:JT|JT]] 21:31, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

====This is too specific====

This list is specific to Fortress Mode. It's missing some of the Adventure Mode skills, like [[Bowman]] and such, and lists the dwarven names for skills. --[[User:JT|JT]] 21:31, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

== administrator ==

Is there really such a profession? I have been trying to get a dwarf to gain this job title without luck so far. Has anyone managed to do it? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 15:22, 20 December 2007 (EST)
Yes, my leader got the title Administrator briefly from raising his Organizer skill. However, he became a Clerk once his Record Keeping skill surpassed it. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 13:54, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

== military skills ==

Shouldn't the weapon skills be classified under their own color/military profession? A swordsdwarf is not a blue peasant, it's a colored military unit. Or is this only for un-drafted military units? It might confuse a newbie. --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 23:43, 3 January 2008 (EST)

== Trader ==

Dwarves which have Appraise (probably others too) skill is called a Trader. It's written in purple, like administrator. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]]

The four "admin" jobs don't really have a single "super"-profession like the others. A dwarf that has those skills is called either
* Architect (Building Designer)
* Trader (Appraiser) aka the Broker
* Administrator (Organizer) aka the Manager
* Clerk (Record Keeper) aka the Bookkeeper
In that order (I may have Administrator and Clerk the other way around). This means that one with all 4 skills on novice, will be called an Architect. If he only had the bottom 3 skills, he'd be called a Trader. And so on. [[User:Sergius|Sergius]] 21:19, 30 April 2008 (EDT)