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v0.31 Talk:Siege engine

2010-05-17T11:36:02Z

Derigo: Created page with '==Ballistas== >Ballista arrows are not as powerful as before. They can now glance off ordinary clothes. Were you using wooden ballista arrows, or metal ones, or both? -~~~~'

==Ballistas==
>Ballista arrows are not as powerful as before. They can now glance off ordinary clothes.
Were you using wooden ballista arrows, or metal ones, or both? -[[User:Derigo|Derigo]] 11:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

v0.31:Armor token

2010-05-11T21:55:15Z

Derigo: /* fixing version templates in my previous edit */

{{AV}}
{{Quality|Fine}}
=Tokens=
{| {{prettytable}}
|- bgcolor="#999999"
! Token
! Arguments
! Usage
! Description
|-
| ARMORLEVEL
|
omitted - clothing 
1 - leather 
2 - chain 
3 - plate
| All
| What category this item falls under. Lack of this tag makes this item clothes level.

|-
| BARRED
|
| All
| Can be crafted out of bone. Randomly generated equipped armor will never be made out of bone.

|-
| BLOCKCHANCE
| value
| item_shield
| Tag only present for shields. Affects the block chance of the shield.

|-
| CHAIN_METAL_TEXT
|
| item_pants
| Metal versions of this item will have "chain" added between the material and item name. Not a valid token for some armor slots.

|-
| COVERAGE
| value
| All
| Coverage influences how often contaminants get through clothes and temperature effects

|-
| HARD
|
| All
| Item does not {{L|wear}} when worn. Opposite of [SOFT]. No tag defaults to [HARD].

|-
| ITEM_<name1>:<name2>
|
Name 1 - ARMOR, HELM, SHOES, SHIELD, PANTS, GLOVES 
Name 2 - Anything
| All
| First name is required to define the item as wearable on that body part. The second can be anything you want to call it. [ITEM_ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_PLATEMAIL]

|-
| LAYER
| UNDER, OVER, ARMOR, COVER
| All
| How this item is layered. The [LAYER_PERMIT:#] of a [LAYER:ARMOR] item overrides the [LAYER_PERMIT:#] of other items on the same ITEM_<name1>, unless it is a [LAYER:COVER] items.

|-
| LAYER_SIZE
| value
| All
| What the size of this item in question is, when it is put on. See {{L|Armor}} for more on item sizes and layering.

|-
| LAYER_PERMIT
| value
| All
| The maximum number of items allowed on that body slot. If the body slot's layer value is over this, no more of this item can be put on. See {{L|Armor}} for more on item sizes and layering.

|-
| LBSTEP
| value or MAX
|
item_armor 
item_pants
| How many steps down the armor protects. 'Down' is defined as "Connected through a series of one or more body parts with the [LIMB] token to a body part with the [STANCE] token. [LBSTEP] can not protect feet (parts with the [STANCE] token). When counting steps, ignore any steps through upper or lower body parts. Example, torso armor with a LBSTEP:1 will protect both the lower body and the upper legs in addition to the torso(the lower body step is not counted). Leg armor with LBSTEP:MAX will protect the lower body, the entire legs, but not the feet or toes.

|-
| LEATHER
|
| All
| Item can be made from leather. Randomly generated equipped armor with [LEATHER] will not be made of cloth, unless [SOFT] is also present.

|-
| MATERIAL_SIZE
| value
| All
| How much material is needed to make the item. Most important with bars. The number of bars required to make the item is the value divided by three.

|-
| METAL
|
| All
| Item can be made with metal. Randomly generated equipped armor will always be made out of metal whenever possible.

|-
| METAL_ARMOR_LEVELS
|
|
| Metal versions of this item count as one ARMORLEVEL higher. Only present in helms, caps, low boots, and high boots.

|-
| NAME
| singular:plural
| All
| What this item will be called ingame.

|-
| PREPLURAL
| <phrase> of
|
item_armor 
item_pants
| Changes the plural form of this item to "<phrase of> item". Primarily pertains to the stock screens. Example, "suits of" platemail, "pairs of" trousers, etc.

|-
| SCALED
|
| All
| Can be crafted from shell. Randomly generated equipped armor will never be made of shell.

|-
| SHAPED
|
| All
| Only one shaped piece of clothing can be worn on a single body slot at a time.

|-
| SOFT
|
| All
| Item can {{L|wear}} when worn. Opposite of [HARD]. Randomly generated equipped armor will have an equal probability of being made of leather or cloth, when this token is present and [METAL] is absent.

|-
| UBSTEP
| value, MAX
| item_armor
| How many steps away from upper body the armor protects. Only present on torso armor. When counting steps, ignore any steps through upper or lower body parts(UBSTEP:0 items protect the upper and lower bodies as a result of this). Currently bugged,{{version|0.31.03}} high values of UBSTEP will result in the item protecting facial features, fingers, and toes, while leaving those parts that it can not protect unprotected (but still counting them as steps). Torso armor can not protect hands, feet, or heads (parts with [GRASP],[STANCE], or [HEAD] tokens respectively) regardless of the UBSTEP value. UBSTEP can also not protect parts that can be protected by LBSTEP. Example, torso armor with [UBSTEP:1] will protect upper arms, wings, non-[STANCE] tails, the torso, and lower body. However, a torso armor with [UBSTEP:4] or higher will also cover lower arms, fingers, facial features, and toes.

|-
| UPSTEP
| value, MAX
| item_armor, item_gloves, item_shoes
| This token functions exactly like LBSTEP but in reverse. How many steps up this item protects. 'Up'is defined as "Connected through a series of one or more body parts with the [LIMB] token to an UPPERBODY part. Gloves and shoes can not protect upper or lower bodies. Example, chausses with an upstep of MAX, protect the the foot and the entire leg, but not the lower body. The same effect could be achieved (on a humanoid) with UPSTEP>=2. Since toes and fingers lack the [LIMB] token, gloves and boots do not protect them. This may be a bug.{{version|0.31.03}} Although this is a valid token for body armor, it has no effect.

|-
| STRUCTURAL_ELASTICITY_WOVEN_THREAD
|
| item_helm, item_gloves, item_pants, item_shoes, item_armor
|

|-
| STRUCTURAL_ELASTICITY_CHAIN_METAL
|
| item_pants, item_armor
|
|}

{{Category|Modding}}
{{Category|Tokens}}

v0.31 Talk:Armor

2010-05-11T19:06:00Z

Derigo: /* Armor raw changes */

==Armor raw changes==
Main armor types have been renamed to "breastplate" and "mail shirt" respectively.
Someone with some understanding of armor RAWs should work on the new page. I had to ask just to learn what the [STEP] tags did.

Breastplates have no LBSTEP nor UBSTEP, and now have a simple [ARMORLEVEL:3] in place of all of the old modifiers. They also have no [VALUE] tag.

:The community is still working on figuring out what all the different variables do(if anything there appear to be some placeholders in different parts of different raws), and how materials effect the results. The current best description is to say that, for armor, adamantine>steel>bronze(bismuth or not)>iron>=copper>everything else and that adding more layers at least doesn't seem to hurt(except for weight/speed considerations). Some have gone a little further than that(http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=53571.msg1151052#msg1151052). --[[User:PencilinHand|PencilinHand]] 00:09, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

::Having worked on the problem some I must point out that there is an important difference between having no LBSTEP or UBSTEP and having zero LBSTEP and UBSTEP. A lot of work still needs to be done, especially with regards to how materials work with armor. Also, could everybody remember to sign their work [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Community_Portal# like Zorro?] --[[User:PencilinHand|PencilinHand]] 06:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Extensive coverage testing of various armors and UB/LBSTEP reveals some buggy behavior:

-The only way to protect [STANCE], [GRASP], [HEAD], or [UPPERBODY] parts (feet, hands, head, and upperbody) is with armor worn on them specifically(LOWERBODY parts may be protected by armor worn on the UPPERBODY as well as the LOWEBODY).

-[LIMB]s (arms and legs) are correctly protected by armors, pants, gloves, and gauntlets with appropriate UBSTEP and LBSTEP values. For example, lower arms can be protected by body armor with UPSTEP >=2 as well as gloves with LBSTEP>=1.

-Currently(31.03), the ONLY way to protect parts that are not [LIMB]s,[STANCE]s,[GRASP]s,[HEAD]s or [UPPER/LOWERBODY]s parts (such as facial features, toes, fingers, throat, vestigial wings, any cosmetic custom parts, etc)is by exploiting a bug. You need a robe, or a dress; an UPPERBODY armor with UBSTEP:MAX. Armor configured this way will protect all [LIMB]s that are do not qualify for LBSTEP coverage, as well as fingers and toes etc, but it will NOT protect, hands, feet, or heads. Gauntlets, boots, and helms currently protect hands, feet, and heads, but not fingers, toes, or facial features. This is both counter intuitive, and at odds with toady's comments on the subject.

--[[User:Derigo|Derigo]] 05:15, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

==New armor layering rules==
I added the new rules for layering armor. It is kind of complicated and I only typed it up so it will need to be presented in a more user friendly format at some point but it is past 2 am here so I am going to bed now. Also, we need to confirm that these rules hold for fortress mode. --[[User:PencilinHand|PencilinHand]] 06:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

==Bugs==
I just thought I'd point out the bar number bug is probably due to the fact that a steel bar is now 150 steel, much like cloth and thread. The smelting reactions require 150 units as input, but the forge reactions appear to be asking for number of bars instead of amount of metal. Input for a breastplate should then be 450 steel instead of 3. --[[User:Dapanman|Dapanman]] 22:00, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

v0.31:Armor token

2010-05-11T19:02:53Z

Derigo: /* Tokens */

{{AV}}
{{Quality|Fine}}
=Tokens=
{| {{prettytable}}
|- bgcolor="#999999"
! Token
! Arguments
! Usage
! Description
|-
| ARMORLEVEL
|
omitted - clothing 
1 - leather 
2 - chain 
3 - plate
| All
| What category this item falls under. Lack of this tag makes this item clothes level.

|-
| BARRED
|
| All
| Can be crafted out of bone. Randomly generated equipped armor will never be made out of bone.

|-
| BLOCKCHANCE
| value
| item_shield
| Tag only present for shields. Affects the block chance of the shield.

|-
| CHAIN_METAL_TEXT
|
| item_pants
| Metal versions of this item will have "chain" added between the material and item name. Not a valid token for some armor slots.

|-
| COVERAGE
| value
| All
| Coverage influences how often contaminants get through clothes and temperature effects

|-
| HARD
|
| All
| Item does not {{L|wear}} when worn. Opposite of [SOFT]. No tag defaults to [HARD].

|-
| ITEM_<name1>:<name2>
|
Name 1 - ARMOR, HELM, SHOES, SHIELD, PANTS, GLOVES 
Name 2 - Anything
| All
| First name is required to define the item as wearable on that body part. The second can be anything you want to call it. [ITEM_ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_PLATEMAIL]

|-
| LAYER
| UNDER, OVER, ARMOR, COVER
| All
| How this item is layered. The [LAYER_PERMIT:#] of a [LAYER:ARMOR] item overrides the [LAYER_PERMIT:#] of other items on the same ITEM_<name1>, unless it is a [LAYER:COVER] items.

|-
| LAYER_SIZE
| value
| All
| What the size of this item in question is, when it is put on. See {{L|Armor}} for more on item sizes and layering.

|-
| LAYER_PERMIT
| value
| All
| The maximum number of items allowed on that body slot. If the body slot's layer value is over this, no more of this item can be put on. See {{L|Armor}} for more on item sizes and layering.

|-
| LBSTEP
| value or MAX
|
item_armor 
item_pants
| How many steps down the armor protects. 'Down' is defined as "Connected through a series of one or more body parts with the [LIMB] token to a body part with the [STANCE] token. [LBSTEP] can not protect feet (parts with the [STANCE] token). When counting steps, ignore any steps through upper or lower body parts. Example, torso armor with a LBSTEP:1 will protect both the lower body and the upper legs in addition to the torso(the lower body step is not counted). Leg armor with LBSTEP:MAX will protect the lower body, the entire legs, but not the feet or toes.

|-
| LEATHER
|
| All
| Item can be made from leather. Randomly generated equipped armor with [LEATHER] will not be made of cloth, unless [SOFT] is also present.

|-
| MATERIAL_SIZE
| value
| All
| How much material is needed to make the item. Most important with bars. The number of bars required to make the item is the value divided by three.

|-
| METAL
|
| All
| Item can be made with metal. Randomly generated equipped armor will always be made out of metal whenever possible.

|-
| METAL_ARMOR_LEVELS
|
|
| Metal versions of this item count as one ARMORLEVEL higher. Only present in helms, caps, low boots, and high boots.

|-
| NAME
| singular:plural
| All
| What this item will be called ingame.

|-
| PREPLURAL
| <phrase> of
|
item_armor 
item_pants
| Changes the plural form of this item to "<phrase of> item". Primarily pertains to the stock screens. Example, "suits of" platemail, "pairs of" trousers, etc.

|-
| SCALED
|
| All
| Can be crafted from shell. Randomly generated equipped armor will never be made of shell.

|-
| SHAPED
|
| All
| Only one shaped piece of clothing can be worn on a single body slot at a time.

|-
| SOFT
|
| All
| Item can {{L|wear}} when worn. Opposite of [HARD]. Randomly generated equipped armor will have an equal probability of being made of leather or cloth, when this token is present and [METAL] is absent.

|-
| UBSTEP
| value, MAX
| item_armor
| How many steps away from upper body the armor protects. Only present on torso armor. When counting steps, ignore any steps through upper or lower body parts(UBSTEP:0 items protect the upper and lower bodies as a result of this). Currently bugged(0.31.03), high values of UBSTEP will result in the item protecting facial features, fingers, and toes, while leaving those parts that it can not protect unprotected (but still counting them as steps). Torso armor can not protect hands, feet, or heads (parts with [GRASP],[STANCE], or [HEAD] tokens respectively) regardless of the UBSTEP value. UBSTEP can also not protect parts that can be protected by LBSTEP. Example, torso armor with [UBSTEP:1] will protect upper arms, wings, non-[STANCE] tails, the torso, and lower body. However, a torso armor with [UBSTEP:4] or higher will also cover lower arms, fingers, facial features, and toes.

|-
| UPSTEP
| value, MAX
| item_armor, item_gloves, item_shoes
| This token functions exactly like LBSTEP but in reverse. How many steps up this item protects. 'Up'is defined as "Connected through a series of one or more body parts with the [LIMB] token to an UPPERBODY part. Gloves and shoes can not protect upper or lower bodies. Example, chausses with an upstep of MAX, protect the the foot and the entire leg, but not the lower body. The same effect could be achieved (on a humanoid) with UPSTEP>=2. Since toes and fingers lack the [LIMB] token, gloves and boots do not protect them. This may be a bug. Although this is a valid token for body armor, it has no effect.

|-
| STRUCTURAL_ELASTICITY_WOVEN_THREAD
|
| item_helm, item_gloves, item_pants, item_shoes, item_armor
|

|-
| STRUCTURAL_ELASTICITY_CHAIN_METAL
|
| item_pants, item_armor
|
|}

{{Category|Modding}}
{{Category|Tokens}}

v0.31 Talk:Armor token

2010-05-11T18:26:26Z

Derigo:

As far as I can tell, based on Arena testing, many of the old 40d tags are still pertinent and function similarly under the new system(notable exception is the way that [LAYER:ARMOR] relates to [LAYER_PERMIT:#]). There mostly appear to be some deprecated tags(such as [VALUE], [WEIGHT], [BLOCKPOWER] and [SECONDBLOCK]). The only new tags I have spotted so far are [STRUCTURAL_ELASTICITY_WOVEN_THREAD] and [STRUCTURAL_ELASTICITY_CHAIN_METAL]. So I am going to copy most of the old info from the 40d armor token page. --[[User:PencilinHand|PencilinHand]] 18:37, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I can help clarify the UBSTEP, LBSTEP, and UPSTEP tags, I've done lots of testing on them. There's a bug with UBSTEP atm. http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=1821 --[[User:Derigo|Derigo]] 18:26, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

v0.31 Talk:Armor

2010-05-11T05:15:34Z

Derigo: /* Armor raw changes */

==Armor raw changes==
Main armor types have been renamed to "breastplate" and "mail shirt" respectively.
Someone with some understanding of armor RAWs should work on the new page. I had to ask just to learn what the [STEP] tags did.

Breastplates have no LBSTEP nor UBSTEP, and now have a simple [ARMORLEVEL:3] in place of all of the old modifiers. They also have no [VALUE] tag.

:The community is still working on figuring out what all the different variables do(if anything there appear to be some placeholders in different parts of different raws), and how materials effect the results. The current best description is to say that, for armor, adamantine>steel>bronze(bismuth or not)>iron>=copper>everything else and that adding more layers at least doesn't seem to hurt(except for weight/speed considerations). Some have gone a little further than that(http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=53571.msg1151052#msg1151052). --[[User:PencilinHand|PencilinHand]] 00:09, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

::Having worked on the problem some I must point out that there is an important difference between having no LBSTEP or UBSTEP and having zero LBSTEP and UBSTEP. A lot of work still needs to be done, especially with regards to how materials work with armor. Also, could everybody remember to sign their work [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Community_Portal# like Zorro?] --[[User:PencilinHand|PencilinHand]] 06:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Extensive coverage testing of various armors and UB/LBSTEP reveals some buggy behavior:

-The only way to protect [STANCE], [GRASP], [HEAD], or [UPPERBODY] parts (feet, hands, head, and upperbody) is with armor worn on them specifically(LOWERBODY parts may be protected by armor worn on the UPPERBODY as well as the LOWEBODY).

-[LIMB]s (arms and legs) are correctly protected by armors, pants, gloves, and gauntlets with appropriate UBSTEP and LBSTEP values. For example, lower arms can be protected by body armor with UPSTEP >=2 as well as gloves with LBSTEP>=1.

-Currently(31.03), the ONLY way to protect parts that are not [LIMB]s,[STANCE]s,[GRASP]s,[HEAD]s or [UPPER/LOWERBODY]s parts (such as facial features, toes, fingers, throat, vestigial wings, any cosmetic custom parts, etc)is by exploiting a bug. You need a robe, or a dress; an UPPERBODY armor with UBSTEP:MAX and LBSTEP:MAX. Armor configured this way will protect all [LIMB]s, as well as fingers and toes etc, but it will NOT protect, hands, feet, or heads. Gauntlets, boots, and helms currently protect hands, feet, and heads, but not fingers, toes, or facial features. This is both counter intuitive, and at odds with toady's comments on the subject.

--[[User:Derigo|Derigo]] 05:15, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

==New armor layering rules==
I added the new rules for layering armor. It is kind of complicated and I only typed it up so it will need to be presented in a more user friendly format at some point but it is past 2 am here so I am going to bed now. Also, we need to confirm that these rules hold for fortress mode. --[[User:PencilinHand|PencilinHand]] 06:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

==Bugs==
I just thought I'd point out the bar number bug is probably due to the fact that a steel bar is now 150 steel, much like cloth and thread. The smelting reactions require 150 units as input, but the forge reactions appear to be asking for number of bars instead of amount of metal. Input for a breastplate should then be 450 steel instead of 3. --[[User:Dapanman|Dapanman]] 22:00, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

v0.31 Talk:Armor

2010-05-11T05:14:13Z

Derigo: /* Armor raw changes */

==Armor raw changes==
Main armor types have been renamed to "breastplate" and "mail shirt" respectively.
Someone with some understanding of armor RAWs should work on the new page. I had to ask just to learn what the [STEP] tags did.

Breastplates have no LBSTEP nor UBSTEP, and now have a simple [ARMORLEVEL:3] in place of all of the old modifiers. They also have no [VALUE] tag.

:The community is still working on figuring out what all the different variables do(if anything there appear to be some placeholders in different parts of different raws), and how materials effect the results. The current best description is to say that, for armor, adamantine>steel>bronze(bismuth or not)>iron>=copper>everything else and that adding more layers at least doesn't seem to hurt(except for weight/speed considerations). Some have gone a little further than that(http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=53571.msg1151052#msg1151052). --[[User:PencilinHand|PencilinHand]] 00:09, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

::Having worked on the problem some I must point out that there is an important difference between having no LBSTEP or UBSTEP and having zero LBSTEP and UBSTEP. A lot of work still needs to be done, especially with regards to how materials work with armor. Also, could everybody remember to sign their work [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Dwarf_Fortress_Wiki:Community_Portal# like Zorro?] --[[User:PencilinHand|PencilinHand]] 06:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Extensive coverage testing of various armors and UB/LBSTEP reveals some buggy behavior:

-The only way to protect [STANCE], [GRASP], [HEAD], or [UPPERBODY] parts (feet, hands, head, and upperbody) is with armor worn on them specifically(LOWERBODY parts may be protected by armor worn on the UPPERBODY as well as the LOWEBODY).

-[LIMB]s (arms and legs) are correctly protected by armors, pants, gloves, and gauntlets with appropriate UBSTEP and LBSTEP values. For example, lower arms can be protected by body armor with UPSTEP >=2 as well as gloves with LBSTEP>=1.

-Currently(31.03), the ONLY way to protect parts that are not [LIMB]s,[STANCE]s,[GRASP]s,[HEAD]s or [UPPER/LOWERBODY]s parts (such as facial features, toes, fingers, throat, vestigial wings, any cosmetic custom parts, etc)is by exploiting a bug. You need a robe, or a dress; an UPPERBODY armor with UBSTEP:MAX and LBSTEP:MAX. Armor configured this way will protect all [LIMB]s, as well as fingers and toes etc, but it will NOT protect, hands, feet, or heads. Gauntlets, boots, and helms currently protect hands, feet, and heads, but not fingers, toes, or facial features. This is both counter intuitive, and at odds with toady's comments on the subject.
--[[User:derigo|derigo]]

==New armor layering rules==
I added the new rules for layering armor. It is kind of complicated and I only typed it up so it will need to be presented in a more user friendly format at some point but it is past 2 am here so I am going to bed now. Also, we need to confirm that these rules hold for fortress mode. --[[User:PencilinHand|PencilinHand]] 06:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

==Bugs==
I just thought I'd point out the bar number bug is probably due to the fact that a steel bar is now 150 steel, much like cloth and thread. The smelting reactions require 150 units as input, but the forge reactions appear to be asking for number of bars instead of amount of metal. Input for a breastplate should then be 450 steel instead of 3. --[[User:Dapanman|Dapanman]] 22:00, 1 May 2010 (UTC)