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40d:Basking shark

2008-07-25T09:18:56Z

AlexFili: took a little trip to wikipedia for some geniune info

{{CreatureInfo|name=Basking shark|symbol=S|color={{COLOR:7:0:0}}|bones=18|fat=10|skin=Yes|skulls=1|chunks=18|meat=18|biome= * Temperate ocean}}

The basking shark, is the second largest fish, after the whale shark. It is a slow moving and generally harmless filter feeder.

They weigh more then giants and elephants, but are lighter than dragons.

{{Game_Data|[CREATURE:SHARK_BASKING]
[NAME:basking shark:basking sharks:basking shark]
[TILE:'S'][COLOR:7:0:0]
[LARGE_ROAMING]
[AQUATIC][UNDERSWIM][IMMOBILE_LAND]
[MODVALUE:3]
[GENPOWER:3]
[PREFSTRING:giant open mouths]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:15:30]
[BENIGN][MEANDERER][NATURAL]
[PETVALUE:1000]
[BODY:BASIC_2PARTBODY:BASIC_HEAD:SIDE_FINS:DORSAL_FIN:TAIL:2EYES:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:MOUTH]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTOKEN:TAIL:slap:slaps:1:2:BLUDGEON][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
[SIZE:18]
[MAXAGE:20:30]
[NO_DRINK]
[CHILD:1][CHILDNAME:basking shark pup:basking shark pups]
[FAT:10]
[BIOME:OCEAN_TEMPERATE]
[STANDARD_FLESH]
[HOMEOTHERM:10067]
[SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:500]
}}
{{Creatures}}
[[Category:Animals]]

40d Talk:Bin

2008-07-25T08:30:48Z

AlexFili: /* How Bins are Allocated */

How many bars does it take to make a bin? Does it depend on what kind of metal? I've gotten canceled messages for "Can't find 2 iron bars" or "can't find 3 platinum bars"...
* 3 bars or 1 log, see the [[metalsmith]] page [[User:Coelocanth|Coelocanth]]

== to do ==
*Is there a max of items per bin?<small>—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Koltom|Koltom]] ([[User talk:Koltom|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Koltom|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small>
:Yes, but it varies by item type. A bin can always fit at least 10 (I think). If you're storing socks, it can hold many more. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:37, 21 February 2008 (EST)

==problem ==
I fail to have an armor bin, they always carry them of to cloth piles and whatnot. Any tricks? Maybe needs a metal bin?<small>—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Koltom|Koltom]] ([[User talk:Koltom|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Koltom|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small>
:Edit the settings on your stockpiles to keep out the things that you dont want to go there. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:37, 21 February 2008 (EST)
:: yeah, i limited bins on all stockpiles to what was already there. For a change they now put the bins on furniture piles -empty- but at least 3 of 10 arrived on armor piles and the clutter is gone. But its terrible micromanagement to adjust the piles every time one needs a new bin - i will just have to mass produce... --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 20:46, 21 February 2008 (EST)

==Bin transfer?==
When making a new stockpile and deleting the previous, the dwarves only decide to move the goods that are not within bins. The new stockpile isn't close to full, and the filled bins sit in the old room without the designation. Is there a (non-tedious) way to make the dwarves move the bins to my new stockpile?
--[[User:Sphexx|Sphexx]] 06:13, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

:I would have designated the new as taking from the old before deleting it... Though, I can't recall ever having bins left behind that weren't empty. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 08:20, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

==How Bins are Allocated==
It would be cool to add info on how and when bins are allocated. I know it's dynamic based on the forums answer I got, but I don't know enough to take a good stab at adding it to the wiki. -- [[User:Macguffin|Macguffin]] 10:54, 29 June (EDT)

:As far as I know, the bins are automatically allocated based on how many stockpiles are 'in need of bins'. They usually try to fulfil one stockpiles need for bins before all of the others. Try to keep one bin limit on all of them before increasing the limits. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 04:30, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

==Magma safe bins==
If I have a bin made of magma safe material, such as nickel, and I pour lava onto the bin will its contents be safe or will I end up with an undamaged bin full of ashes? [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 16:46, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Pet

2008-07-24T08:02:02Z

AlexFili:

Is there a reliable way to remove pets? On some of my fortresses, I wind up with 100+ pets and actually see a framerate hit because of it. I don't really care if their owners get an unhappy thought, they'll straighten out when they drink their masterwork beer. [[User:Ripheus|Ripheus]] 21:06, 3 March 2008 (EST)
:Non pet-passable door + death room might work. (A drawbridge would probably work nicely). Get the dorf to walk into the room (build something in there or draft them and station them there), wait for the pet, set door as tightly closed, get the dorf to leave the room, drop bridge. +Kitten tallow biscuits+. --[[User:Wabbiteh|Wabbiteh]] 06:21, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
::Death rooms are mandatory in fortresses requiring high fps. Best if you station them near main corridor with few backup corridors. It may be possible to trap pets by just door settings alone. Animals don't know that tightly-closed doors count as forbidden for them and will not include them in pathfinding calculations (they see free corridor, not closed door). They will stand before tightly closed door and won't find a better way. Forbidden doors count as obstacle and will be bypassed if possible. This may be used to create automatic death rooms (if they are controlled by pressure plates you may need absolutely no dwarven intervention). Also, you can't butcher cats killed by anything other than butcher, so no +Kitten Tallow Biscuit+ for you. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 17:35, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Worked and worked well, thank you sir. I prefer the spike trap, personally. [[User:Ripheus|Ripheus]] 22:55, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

On the z-animals menu, at least once the economy starts, non-cat pets have a price listed next to them. Is it possible to buy pets off owners? If so, how? (If not, why the monetary value?) --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 02:22, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
:If you mark stray pet as available it'll have price too. It's the price at which a dwarf can buy a pet, whether it's owned by other dwarf or is stray. That's what I think.--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 03:22, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Will a pet attack enemies attacking its owner? How does pets work for protection? Can a tame mule or whatever actually be any good in a fight?--[[User:Dwaref|Dwaref]] 22:33, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

:Firstly, I've never seen a horse attack anything. Some pets such as Dogs can indeed attack enemies, but they aren't that good at stopping Goblins or anything stronger. They're good at getting rid of pests though. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 04:02, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Pet

2008-07-24T08:01:49Z

AlexFili: what i think about pets

40d Talk:Pet

2008-07-17T08:53:30Z

AlexFili: Pets should have an option to be disabled

Is there a reliable way to remove pets? On some of my fortresses, I wind up with 100+ pets and actually see a framerate hit because of it. I don't really care if their owners get an unhappy thought, they'll straighten out when they drink their masterwork beer. [[User:Ripheus|Ripheus]] 21:06, 3 March 2008 (EST)
:Non pet-passable door + death room might work. (A drawbridge would probably work nicely). Get the dorf to walk into the room (build something in there or draft them and station them there), wait for the pet, set door as tightly closed, get the dorf to leave the room, drop bridge. +Kitten tallow biscuits+. --[[User:Wabbiteh|Wabbiteh]] 06:21, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
::Death rooms are mandatory in fortresses requiring high fps. Best if you station them near main corridor with few backup corridors. It may be possible to trap pets by just door settings alone. Animals don't know that tightly-closed doors count as forbidden for them and will not include them in pathfinding calculations (they see free corridor, not closed door). They will stand before tightly closed door and won't find a better way. Forbidden doors count as obstacle and will be bypassed if possible. This may be used to create automatic death rooms (if they are controlled by pressure plates you may need absolutely no dwarven intervention). Also, you can't butcher cats killed by anything other than butcher, so no +Kitten Tallow Biscuit+ for you. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 17:35, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Worked and worked well, thank you sir. I prefer the spike trap, personally. [[User:Ripheus|Ripheus]] 22:55, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

On the z-animals menu, at least once the economy starts, non-cat pets have a price listed next to them. Is it possible to buy pets off owners? If so, how? (If not, why the monetary value?) --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 02:22, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
:If you mark stray pet as available it'll have price too. It's the price at which a dwarf can buy a pet, whether it's owned by other dwarf or is stray. That's what I think.--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 03:22, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Will a pet attack enemies attacking its owner? How does pets work for protection? Can a tame mule or whatever actually be any good in a fight?--[[User:Dwaref|Dwaref]] 22:33, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

== Pets should have an option to be disabled ==

As far as I can see they provide no real benefit to game-play and should just be turned into an optional feature.

Most of the pets features are just annoying, no butchery, unable to tie to a rope...

Either give us the option to butcher/de-pet an animal, or make pets optional so we don't have to suffer with this constant annoyance. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 04:53, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Metal

2008-07-17T08:00:29Z

AlexFili: /* Bar count? */

what does brittle mean. (For the game, I know what it means). --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 13:20, 6 November 2007 (EST)
:Hey Soyweiser, if you look at the Raw file below there are tags for [BRITTLE] on some of the metals. I can only assume that this increases the chances of a weapon or other object breaking when in use; but that's just a guess. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]
:: Yeah, I saw that in the raw files indeed. Perhaps it makes the items degrade faster. But we have no proof of this yet? nobody tested it? --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 06:47, 7 November 2007 (EST)

I'm pretty sure that the brittle flag means that you cannot make craft goods and furniture from it. Note that bismuth and pig iron cannot be made into any craft good or furniture item.

== Alloys ==

Alright, someone merged [[Alloy]] into this page, but there's also alloy information at [[smelting]]. If not its own page, where are we gonna put that info? --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 01:18, 7 November 2007 (EST)

== Counts ==

Is the number of resulting bars always the same as the one of used bars/ore pieces? There used to be some bugs, resulting in getting more or less bars, than expected. Has anyone checked this in the last version? [[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 04:06, 10 January 2008 (EST)
:[[Galena]]. [[Tetrahedrite]]. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:27, 10 January 2008 (EST)

== Graph ==

Anyone want to make a graph like http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/images/9/9c/Metalchart.png ? If nobody says yes, I might give it a try. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:58, 2 February 2008 (EST)

:That's pretty awesome... t'would be quite the undertaking to get it fully updated and still understandable though. The fuel flow is a tad bit confusing, but not very much so. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 21:56, 2 February 2008 (EST)

::Additionally, width would have to be less than about 781px, which was the width of the old image and nigh horizontal scrollbar width. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:02, 2 February 2008 (EST)

== Pewter values ==

Just making sure my math is right...
Tin (2) Trifle pewter (4)
Tin (2) ==> Trifle pewter (4)
Copper (2) Trifle pewter (4)

6 units of wealth have been converted into 12 units of wealth. A 100% value increase.

Tin (2) Fine pewter (5)
Tin (2) ==> Fine pewter (5)
Tin (2) Fine pewter (5)
Copper (2) Fine pewter (5)

8 units of wealth have been converted into 20 units of wealth. A 150% value increase.

Tin (2) Lay pewter (3)
Tin (2) ==> Lay pewter (3)
Lead (2) Lay pewter (3)
Copper (2) Lay pewter (3)

8 units of wealth have been converted into 12 units of wealth. A 50% value increase.

The reason to do lay pewter over fine pewter or trifle pewter would be
* More bars per smelting over trifle pewter. Potentially important if no magma.
* Less tin consumption. Tin can be used for bronze alloys which are weapon capable.

Correct?
--[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 14:35, 7 March 2008 (EST)

== Bar count? ==

Is there a page that lists how many bars are needed to forge different things? There's some info at [[armor]]. But there's no info at [[weapon]], crafts, or [[furniture]]. Should there be a unified list here? --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 17:46, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

:"All metal furniture requires 3 bars to forge except for chains, animal traps, buckets and blocks." (not my quote) --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 03:59, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Metal

2008-07-17T07:59:28Z

AlexFili: /* Bar count? */

what does brittle mean. (For the game, I know what it means). --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 13:20, 6 November 2007 (EST)
:Hey Soyweiser, if you look at the Raw file below there are tags for [BRITTLE] on some of the metals. I can only assume that this increases the chances of a weapon or other object breaking when in use; but that's just a guess. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]
:: Yeah, I saw that in the raw files indeed. Perhaps it makes the items degrade faster. But we have no proof of this yet? nobody tested it? --[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 06:47, 7 November 2007 (EST)

I'm pretty sure that the brittle flag means that you cannot make craft goods and furniture from it. Note that bismuth and pig iron cannot be made into any craft good or furniture item.

== Alloys ==

Alright, someone merged [[Alloy]] into this page, but there's also alloy information at [[smelting]]. If not its own page, where are we gonna put that info? --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 01:18, 7 November 2007 (EST)

== Counts ==

Is the number of resulting bars always the same as the one of used bars/ore pieces? There used to be some bugs, resulting in getting more or less bars, than expected. Has anyone checked this in the last version? [[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 04:06, 10 January 2008 (EST)
:[[Galena]]. [[Tetrahedrite]]. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:27, 10 January 2008 (EST)

== Graph ==

Anyone want to make a graph like http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/images/9/9c/Metalchart.png ? If nobody says yes, I might give it a try. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:58, 2 February 2008 (EST)

:That's pretty awesome... t'would be quite the undertaking to get it fully updated and still understandable though. The fuel flow is a tad bit confusing, but not very much so. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 21:56, 2 February 2008 (EST)

::Additionally, width would have to be less than about 781px, which was the width of the old image and nigh horizontal scrollbar width. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:02, 2 February 2008 (EST)

== Pewter values ==

Just making sure my math is right...
Tin (2) Trifle pewter (4)
Tin (2) ==> Trifle pewter (4)
Copper (2) Trifle pewter (4)

6 units of wealth have been converted into 12 units of wealth. A 100% value increase.

Tin (2) Fine pewter (5)
Tin (2) ==> Fine pewter (5)
Tin (2) Fine pewter (5)
Copper (2) Fine pewter (5)

8 units of wealth have been converted into 20 units of wealth. A 150% value increase.

Tin (2) Lay pewter (3)
Tin (2) ==> Lay pewter (3)
Lead (2) Lay pewter (3)
Copper (2) Lay pewter (3)

8 units of wealth have been converted into 12 units of wealth. A 50% value increase.

The reason to do lay pewter over fine pewter or trifle pewter would be
* More bars per smelting over trifle pewter. Potentially important if no magma.
* Less tin consumption. Tin can be used for bronze alloys which are weapon capable.

Correct?
--[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 14:35, 7 March 2008 (EST)

== Bar count? ==

Is there a page that lists how many bars are needed to forge different things? There's some info at [[armor]]. But there's no info at [[weapon]], crafts, or [[furniture]]. Should there be a unified list here? --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 17:46, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

:It's usually one for each --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 03:59, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Cat

2008-07-16T09:38:18Z

AlexFili: /* Disable Cats? */

== Bones, etc. count ==

Wile butchering cats I always got stacks of 3 bones... Anyone, check this, please. --[[User:Dorten]]

:Cats are size 3 in the raws so 3 stacks of bones would make sense to me. Maybe they are taking the numbers from kittens, likewise you probably get 3 meat. Can someone confirm this, I don't trust my reading of the raws. --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 04:00, 25 January 2008 (EST)

::Bone#=Size --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 12:58, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

== Disable Cats? ==

I'm getting annoyed with all these cats, is there a way to delete them? Maybe removing their creature details? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:38, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Cat

2008-07-16T09:38:07Z

AlexFili: Disable Cats?

40d Talk:Creatures

2008-07-16T09:36:25Z

AlexFili: /* Named creatures */

===Here kitty!===
What are the triggers for semi- and megabeasts? Is there any way to encourage them? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:47, 11 November 2007 (EST)

:Pretty sure semimegabeasts don't attack in fortress mode. Don't know what triggers megabeasts in this version. On my current fort, I saw my first (a hydra) after 100 pop, don't know if that's the trigger or if it was just a coincidence.

::Megabeasts used to attack based on your total fortress value. Semi-megabeasts are found in caves and such. --[[User:Nitem4re|Nitem4re]] 17:23, 13 November 2007 (EST)

== Reason for ordering? ==

Is there any particular reason why these aren't alphabetised? --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 17:20, 5 March 2008 (EST)
: You could put each group of creatures into a table, such as:
{| style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0;background:#F9F9F9;border:1px #AAA solid;border-collapse:collapse;" class="wikitable sortable"
|- style="background:#F2F2F2;text-align:center;"
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Name!!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Biome
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Dog]]||style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Common domestic
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Rhesus macaque]]||style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Temperate shrubland, Temperate savanna, Temperate grassland
|}

If this is acceptable, I can begin changing them to use this format (perhaps a template would be useful?). --[[User:SeiferTim|SeiferTim]] 13:53, 7 March 2008 (EST)

== Page Cleanup ==

Okay, so I've begun a mission to clean up the creatures page. So far, I made a couple of templates for the sortable table, and I've started converting the currently existing lists into tables. Phase II will be to alphabetize the tables.
Would it make sense to change the way the creatures are categorized? It seems less helpful (at least to me) to have them grouped by Neutral, Benign, Evil, etc, then to group them by type or biome?

For example, would it be better to have the table look like this:

=== Natural ===
{| style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0;background:#F9F9F9;border:1px #AAA solid;border-collapse:collapse;" class="wikitable sortable"
|- style="background:#F2F2F2;text-align:center;"
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Symbol
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Name
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Type
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Size
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Biome
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" |
{| style="border-spacing: 0; background: black; padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid white; margin: 0.1em auto"
|-
! style="font-size: 200%; background: #000;padding: 0.1em 0.25em;color:{{COLOR:6:0:0}};" | d
|}
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Dog]]
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Benign
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|5
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|None
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" |
{| style="border-spacing: 0; background: black; padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid white; margin: 0.1em auto"
|-
! style="font-size: 200%; background: #000; padding: 0.1em 0.25em;color:{{COLOR:0:0:1}};" | r
|}
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Large rat]]
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Neutral
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|4
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Chasm
|}

=== Aquatic ===
{| style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0;background:#F9F9F9;border:1px #AAA solid;border-collapse:collapse;" class="wikitable sortable"
|- style="background:#F2F2F2;text-align:center;"
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Symbol
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Name
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Type
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Size
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Biome
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" |
{| style="border-spacing: 0; background: black; padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid white; margin: 0.1em auto"
|-
! style="font-size: 200%; background: #000;padding: 0.1em 0.25em;color:{{COLOR:1:0:0}};" | c
|}
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Coelacanth]]
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Benign
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|6
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Tropical ocean
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" |
{| style="border-spacing: 0; background: black; padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid white; margin: 0.1em auto"
|-
! style="font-size: 200%; background: #000; padding: 0.1em 0.25em;color:{{COLOR:7:0:0}};" | ~
|}
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Eel conger|Eel, conger]]
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Benign
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|7
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Arctic ocean, Temperate ocean
|}

=== Amphibious ===
{| style="margin:1em 1em 1em 0;background:#F9F9F9;border:1px #AAA solid;border-collapse:collapse;" class="wikitable sortable"
|- style="background:#F2F2F2;text-align:center;"
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Symbol
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Name
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Type
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Size
!style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" class="unsortable"|Biome
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" |
{| style="border-spacing: 0; background: black; padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid white; margin: 0.1em auto"
|-
! style="font-size: 200%; background: #000;padding: 0.1em 0.25em;color:{{COLOR:7:0:0}};" | C
|}
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Cave crocodile]]
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Predator
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|10
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Subterranean water
|-
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;" |
{| style="border-spacing: 0; background: black; padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid white; margin: 0.1em auto"
|-
! style="font-size: 200%; background: #000; padding: 0.1em 0.25em;color:{{COLOR:2:0:0}};" | f
|}
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|[[Frogman]]
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Predator
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|5
|style="border:1px #AAA solid;padding:0.2em;"|Subterranean water
|}
--[[User:SeiferTim|SeiferTim]] 04:50, 8 March 2008 (EST)
:Perhaps it would be easier to automatically convert the raw data to wikitext than do this all by hand. That way we can avoid errors like listing dogs as benign. If you tell me what creature properties and format you want, I can start doing that. Although if you really prefer doing it by hand, I guess that's fine, too. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:48, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
:: If you can do that, it would be a lot easier ;)
The format I have for each row is this:
<nowiki>{{Creature table row|symbol= |color= (format X:0:X) |name= |type= |align= |size= |biome= }}</nowiki>--[[User:SeiferTim|SeiferTim]] 12:13, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
::: Also, I'm curious to know what you would do to convert the raw data... --[[User:SeiferTim|SeiferTim]] 14:38, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
::Wrote a c++ program to do it. What do you mean by type? What values can type have? Also, you can see what it's currently producing [[User:VengefulDonut/r|here]]. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:11, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

::: I haven't used C++ in like 8 years... I've been meaning to brush up on it.... Anyway, I think what you have looks brilliant (and here I was using Copy/Paste like a sucker!) I was planning to use 'Type' to be able to group different creatures, such as Aquatic, Fliers, Natural, etc... but as I dig deeper into the various creatures, I'm seeing that it's very, very hard to split them up in a way that would make sense to someone who just wants to browse a list... we can't very well say "Type: Aquatic, Natural, Predator" and "Type: Flier, Intelligent, Evil", etc, it would end up being too cluttered... unless you can think of anyway to catogorize them in a sensible fashion, I say we just throw that column out... --[[User:SeiferTim|SeiferTim]] 23:22, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

::Hmm. Right now sorting by alignment doesn't mean very much. Perhaps we should split it into a good/neutral/evil column and a benign/neutral/savage column. With what I have now, adding more properties to pull and format won't take much effort. Is there anything else you think we could use? Maybe modvalue? It would be nice if we could have hideable table sections that would have other misc properties to sort by. Without that I guess we need to stick to those common to most creatures. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 01:52, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

::: It looks great! I'm going to go through and try to add in the missing creature pages. I realized that we could probably use the name of the file to determine the creature type... for example: creature_reptiles, creature_large_tundra, etc, could drop the "creatures_", and convert the remaining "_" into spaces... I don't know that it would be particularly necessary... --[[User:SeiferTim|SeiferTim]] 16:23, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

== Creation ==

Is there any way for you to make your own creatures for use in the game? You like messing around with the files and stuff? I really want to make Triffid you know from 'Day of the Triffids' [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 11:52, 9 May 2008 (EDT)Hoborobo
:You can try the [[Modding Guide]]. [[User:Hex Decimal|Hex Decimal]] 12:36, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

== Spawning ==

is there anything about how creatures spawn naturally out in the "wild"?
like if you hunt too much of them they will go extinct or disappear
but if you leave them alone, more will be available or something?

== Named creatures ==

I think it should be noted that any creature that kills a dwarf receives a specific name. I noticed this a while back when wolves would kill my marksn00bs. My friend also concluded that this might be the case (All the elephants in his fortress had names. ;-) --[[User:PrettyGrizzly|PrettyGrizzly]] 05:46, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

:Yes, this can happen in both fortress and adventure mode. I guess hunters often give nicknames to dangerous/well-known animals that have been harassing local citizens. Note that your own wolves can get names as well. Also, I think that mass killings will cause even more names to appear, and possibly even a nickname as well? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:36, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Grate

2008-07-16T09:34:55Z

AlexFili:

Can the bucket from a well pass through a grate? If so, it would be a convenient way to keep dwarves from falling into the well. --[[User:Okita|Okita]] 10:18, 17, June, 2008 (EDT)

Can fish pass through underwater wall grates? --[[User:Benitosimies|Benitosimies]] 19:08, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
:All vermin can. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 12:24, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Projectiles confirmed to pass through floor grates for v0.27.176.38c. --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 03:23, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

:Hmmm that seems quite odd, perhaps Toady could make it perform an accuracy check? Similar to firing through fortifications? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:34, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Has anyone encountered cats/kittens and children passing through grates with assistance of water? I seem to have a few children, cats, and kittens just falling through a grate that has a lot of water being pulled through it.--[[User:Sphexx|Sphexx]] 05:03, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
:I.E. Vermin. -- [[User:Vaevictus|Vaevictus]] 16:38, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Trading

2008-07-15T10:09:57Z

AlexFili: what i think about trading success

== Consolidation of Trading, Trade Depot, Caravans, and Wagon ==

This needs wikification with some amounts of rewriting. I will give it a go. --[[User:Maska|Maska]] 06:51, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Yea thanks, this is my first try at a wiki-page. sorry if it was crappy... --[[User:CombatWombat|CombatWombat]] 06:42, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Nah, there's no such thing as a crappy wiki edit, when its got content in it. Just remember to be bold, otherwise there would be nothing here. --[[User:Maska|Maska]] 07:29, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Well this thread's a little old, but I re-wrote and consolidated some more information on this page. There was also some discussion of this on [[Talk:Caravan#Merge_this_into_Trading]]. If you don't approve, please don't just revert it, I organized and cleaned up a lot of the scattered info, so at the very least it should be split from where it is now on the Trading page to where it should ultimately go. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 02:48, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

== Extraction from different articles ==

All the information on trading seems quite scattered now (Trade depot, Caravan, Dwarf, Elf, Human etc), and as most stuff is well written I think we should merge the trade sections to this one page and leave behind only refecences. --[[User:Maska|Maska]] 08:29, 27 January 2008 (EST)
:Looking good, is there a 'your first caravan'-type tutorial anywhere we could link to? Something with advice on the sort of goods to prepare and what to buy for the first winter, with new players in mind. I'll try and find one somewhere. --[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 09:07, 27 January 2008 (EST)

: Done, linked to the trade section in the new player guide. --[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 09:11, 27 January 2008 (EST)
::Done++ Someone else finish merging the information from Caravans into the page. Make sure to get that awesome Elf trader image. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 12:10, 28 January 2008 (EST)

== Haulers? ==
In my experience the "bring item to depot" tasks were performed by any dwarf, even without any hauling labors enabled. Can also be my imagination. I cannot check it for now, so, anyone, please verify.--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 23:49, 27 January 2008 (EST)
:That's correct, as many times my pure crafters will stop crafting to haul goods to the depot, despite having only one or two production labors enabled. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 03:41, 28 January 2008 (EST)
::Is this similar to plant gathering where even non-working nobles and children will do it, or is it limted to any regular dwarf regardless of labour? --[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 19:04, 31 January 2008 (EST)
:::Yes, nobles and children will haul stuff to the depot. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 00:19, 1 February 2008 (EST)

== Moving goods on afterwards ==

To get things ''out'' of the depot.... do I have to order them removed while the caravan is still around?
I have starving dwarves... and food going rotten in the depot![[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:36, 5 February 2008 (EST)
:AFAIK, no. in my experience, anything bought is treated as like it's just lying there, not being traded.
Well, yes and no. Once trading is finished dwarves will start bringing the bought goods in while the caravan still is there. But you cant 'order' them to per se ;) Your own stuff that wasnt sold however will remain in depot till the caravan leaves. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 18:45, 13 February 2008 (EST)
::Unless you go back into the {{k|g}}oods menu at the Depot and unmark them for trading. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 04:25, 14 February 2008 (EST)
I've a question in the same vein: I just traded for a truckload of goods, but the traders didn't even leave them in the depot! They just carried my goods out with them. Were my dwarves supposed to carry all of the goods back earlier? --[[User:Gh3yz0r|Gh3yz0r]] 14:08, 16 February 2008 (EST)

==Duplicate Page?==
The page "Caravan" has very similar information, though this "trading" page seems more complete.[Samyotix]

== culling on mandates ==

what's that? in the trade screen? me no be native speaker...--[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 21:56, 20 February 2008 (EST)
:I think it means that it will hide things that are not allowed to be traded: "Mayor has put bans on certain exports". But I don't know if it hides an entire bin if one item in it is banned. [[User:Hex Decimal|Hex Decimal]] 14:29, 27 February 2008 (EST)

== "everything is ruined now" ==
I just accidentally tried to trade the elves a wooden bin full of stone goods. Now ALL my stone goods, including ones not actually in that bin, are unacceptable. I ended up just seizing the rope I needed, but I'd like to know if this is a glitch, or if I just made them too angry to trade. <small>—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Shadow archmagi|Shadow archmagi]] ([[User talk:Shadow archmagi|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Shadow archmagi|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small>
:It's not a glitch. Elves refuse to trade at all after you give them even a single wood or animal product. After you do that the trade option is locked until they come back to trade next year. [[User:Hex Decimal|Hex Decimal]] 14:52, 27 February 2008 (EST)
:The wooden bin told the elves you hate trees. Elves don't trade with people who hate trees. Elves don't trade with people who hate animals. Don't trade dead trees or dead animal parts to elves. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 13:18, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

==Depot Access==
Not a single square on my map is accessible by the caravan. What should i do? --[[User:Noctune9|Noctune9]] 11:16, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

EDIT: My bad. It seems that it shows every square as inaccessible if the depot is not fully constructed--[[User:Noctune9|Noctune9]] 11:16, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

== Trading Margins ==
In regards to this submission:
"If you have a somewhat experienced broker or you already raised the traiders mood to pleased or above you can usually trade with marginal profit for them and you can also safely ignore their counteroffers, offering the same trade a second time, successfully."

You do realize that when they make a counteroffer they automatically add those counteroffer goods to the pot, right? Just making sure. Are you saying you go back through and remove each item their counteroffer added to your side of the deal? Seems much simpler to just stick to the ~50% rule of thumb, especially at the beginning with low skills and again once you reach the point of having so many trade goods that you can easily buy everything you need from each caravan with plenty of goods left over. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 14:55, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
: Yes, exactly. Whenever i get a counteroffer I remove all items from the list they added until their profit is back to what i deem fit, sometimes leaving a low value item, say, 50☼, they chose, if I wanted to trade it anyway. Since this is not a beginners guide page, I think it's wrong to advise people to a 50% profit margin that is much higher than necessary. Once the traders are happy, they will even agree to trading an anvil for an anvil. I tested this extensively because usually i want them to leave early and thus try to make them angry. Almost impossible. We could however add smth about the (suspected) advantages of having high export totals like bigger caravans, more immigrants, arrival of king. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 06:39, 23 March 2008 (EDT)
::The 50% rule of thumb is a good starting point either way. "Advanced" page or not, before I posted that, there was no guidance on what profit margin the visiting traders would generally accept, so that people were left to find out the hard way.
::Going back through a long list of your trade goods to hunt down and remove the items which the visiting trader added to the offer seems like a bit of a waste of time to me, unless you just have very few trade goods or a really tight budget at your fortress.
::As for being able to get away with lower margins once the trader is happy, that is definitely useful knowledge and could be expanded upon. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 12:52, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

There is no way to refuse a counter-offer, is there? The only option is to hit {{k|Enter}}, and the "goods are added to the pot" as you say ... correct? --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 09:07, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

:Correct, however, you're free to simply remove the additionally requested items and re-offer. In the case of a new trader in his first few trade sessions, this will likely work, as he gained experience (probably a LOT) just by offering. Even if it doesn't, as long as you don't repeat it many times (4+ I'd say) then there's no real risk of driving them off. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 13:16, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

::I find it easiest to commence one dwarf with novice valuer that way you already know prices... within the first trading I can usually get some items at straight trade (0% profit) maybe it depends on civilisation demands.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 01:14, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

:::If you want a trade to succeed just make sure the trader gets 100-1000* profit. Almost every trade I made with this method was accepted. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:09, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

== Goblins butchering my caravans. ==

Every time I trade with the caravans, a goblin ambush comes and the merchants are all killed. Ive taken new measures to prevent this, but will merchants come back to trade? and what effect does their death have? <small>—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wafl|Wafl]] ([[User talk:Wafl|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Wafl|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small>

My caravans get shot up by goblins all the time. Then you get to loot their stuff. The caravans always seem to come back next year. [[User:Ripheus|Ripheus]] 22:49, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

== Trading flowchart ==

Given a number of questions on the forums, it may be a good idea to put together a flowchart of the steps involved in trading. I will draft something up here (at least partially so I can safely screw up my first attempt on this wiki)

Tasks are sequential top-to-bottom, but can be done in parallel left-to-right
{|cellpadding="2" border="1"
|-
| colspan=2 rowspan=2| Make or obtain goods to trade || Build Depot ({{K|b}} - {{K|D}})
|-
| Ensure Depot is accessible ({{K|D}})
Check green area reaches edge of map
|-
| colspan=3 | Wait until a caravan arrives on the map
"A--- caravan from --- has arrived."
|-
| Set goods to be traded ({{K|q}} - {{K|g}}) || Request a trader ({{K|q}} - {{K|r}}) || Wait for caravan to reach the depot
"Merchants have arrived and are unloading their goods"
|-
| Wait for goods to be hauled || Wait for the trader to finish their other tasks and go to the depot || Wait for the rest of the caravan to reach the depot and be unloaded
|-
| colspan=3 | Begin actual trading ({{K|q}} - {{K|t}})
|}

Hmm. Is there a better way to show this? It may not help much as is... [[User:Kaypy|Kaypy]]

:Ask and ye shall receive
{|cellspacing=0 align=center
|-
|width=50|
|width=1|
|width=50|
|width=50|
|width=1|
|width=50|
|width=50|
|width=1|
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|colspan=3|
|colspan=3 style="border: 1px solid #aaa;" align=center|Arrive at fortress location
|-
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|style="border: 1px solid #aaa;"|
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|colspan=3 rowspan=5 style="border: 1px solid #aaa;" align=center|Create Goods
|colspan=3|
|colspan=3 style="border: 1px solid #aaa;" align=center|Build Depot
|-
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|style="border: 1px solid #aaa;" height=20|
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|colspan=3|
|colspan=3 style="border: 1px solid #aaa;" align=center|Check Depot is accessible
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|colspan=3 style="border: 1px solid #aaa;" align=center|Wait for caravan
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|colspan=3 style="border: 1px solid #aaa;" align=center|Set goods to be traded
|colspan=3|
|colspan=3 rowspan=5 style="border: 1px solid #aaa;" align=center|Wait for caravan to arrive at depot and merchants to finish unloading
|-
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|colspan=3 style="border: 1px solid #aaa;" align=center|Wait for goods to be hauled
|-
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|colspan=3 style="border: 1px solid #aaa;" align=center|Request the trader at the depot and turn off his other labours
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|colspan=3|
|colspan=3 style="border: 1px solid #aaa;" align=center|Trade
|}
You'll note I shifted the location of requesting trader --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 08:46, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

== Offerings ==

Can anyone expound on the function of {{K|o}}ffering goods as gifts to traders? I tried giving the elves about 1000 worth of tchotchkes, and the next year they showed up with more goods than I've ever seen -- lots of caged animals, whereas I usually get very few, and so on. However, other times I gave them more and it seemed nothing changed. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 12:01, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Gifts to the traders (and large trading profits) should increase the number of traders / wagons you get the following year, so they'll bring more stuff to trade. AFAIK no-one knows about the numbers for sure though. [[User:Samyotix|Samyotix]] 14:51, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

== Add hint: "Buy everything ... in case you get a strange mood"? ==

Personally I've found it very useful to do this:

When traders arrive,
a) optionally check stocks.
b) Buy everything you can't make or harvest in your own fort.
c) In the diplomat meeting, order everything you can't make or harvest.

To be specific: Thread, Silk, cloth, metal bars (anything else?).

The reason:
a) Dwarves sometimes demand items out of some metal or alloy they like.
b) Dwarves who are possessed or get a strange mood will sometimes demand silk or cloth.

Players who proactively (harr!) seek to stock materials for possible moods will IMO have much less of a problem with dwarves going insane from moods. However I couldn't figure out where (or if) I should insert that, so I'll just add this idea (adding a hint: buy everything you don't have) to the discussion.

Also, as far as I know, possessed/moody dwarves in the current version (27.176.38c) do not demand specific items. Rather, they want a) any metal bar b) any metal ore c) Silk d) Cloth e) wood f) raw gem g) any stone ... that was it, right?. So probably such a hint could read something like:

"NOTE: If your fortress cannot harvest silk, it would be useful to order some from the caravans. If you do not have a cloth industry yet, maybe order some cloth as well. Having a small stock of materials which you are not actively using in your economy - e.g. GCS silk - will increase the likelihood of your fortress gaining an artifact from any mood or possession."
[[User:Samyotix|Samyotix]] 14:49, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

== Clear the perimeter? ==

Is clearing the entire perimeter of the map really necessary? While my depot has been accessible at all, the caravan has '''always''' appeared at a point with access to the depot. --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 13:13, 12 July 2008 (EDT)
:What the article says is:
:#Caravans enter the map from a random direction which does not coincide with the relative direction of the originating civilization,
:#they may appear from different directions or z-levels each year
:#they cannot use stairs
:#they may leave without trading if it takes too long to reach the trade depot
:With the above points in mind:
:#In order to guarantee perfect, permanent wagon accessibility, a three tile path must be cleared around the entire perimeter of the map, with at least one joining path from the border to the trade depot. Any parts of this path system which have grass must be paved with floor tiles, bridges, or roads to prevent trees from growing. Ramps must be used to adjust z-level elevation.

I have certainly had a depot accessible to the southern border, then had the human merchants only turn up with mules because they were approaching from a different direction.

The recommendations are how to ensure the human wagons turn up every summer (it also helps to remember to have your drawbridge down as soon as summer commences!) If you are not so concerned about human merchants then ignore the advice. If you don't have enough dwarf-power then ignore the advice. Some of it only needs to be done once (ie: adjusting slopes), and some of it just gives you more territory to consider for defending from invaders (being open to merchants also opens you to invaders).[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 00:33, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

==Seizing goods==
"It is worth noting that in the Mac port (untested for other ports), you can simply remove the depot that the merchants are camped out on to recieve all their goods."

I can confirm that this also works in the PC version.[[User:Moonman|Moonman]] 14:07, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

40d:Food

2008-07-14T15:25:12Z

AlexFili: importance of food

'''Food''' is anything [[dwarves]] eat to ward off starvation, but if they are not able to attain sustenance then they will eventually die. The most common foods are [[butcher|meat]], [[fishing|fish]], [[farming|crops]], and [[plant gathering|gathered shrubs]]. Each dwarf has a [[preference]] for certain foods.

==Types of Food==

Food comes in two main varieties: meat and [[plants]], with cooked food possibly mixing the two.

Plants can be grown [[underground]] or on the surface, and a single dedicated [[grower]]/harvester can produce enough food for all but the largest of fortresses. The advantages of plants are the infinite and readily available supply, and the versatility; plants can be [[alcohol|brewed]], made into [[cloth]]ing and [[dye]], and also used as further ingredients for [[cooking]]. Further processing plants leads to greater amount delivered as an end product. The disadvantage is it's exponential growth; without control, [[seed]]/plant [[stockpile]]s will envelop all available space.

Meat can be obtained from [[hunting]] and [[fishing]], as well as raising livestock. Uncooked meat and fish is subject to [[wear]] and will eventually rot if it is not cooked, even in [[barrel]]s. The advantages are the additional skills raised during hunting, and there is less mass labor required for [[butchering]] meat than planting a seed, waiting for it to grow, eating it, moving the seed back, etc. [[Turtle]]s leave behind [[bone]]s and [[shell]]s when consumed raw, and [[animal]]s, when butchered, leave behind large stacks of [[bone]]s, and usually [[raw hide]]s and [[skull]]s. An export industry devoted to bone [[craft]]s can be profitable, and [[marksdwarf|marksdwarves]] always benefit from a cheap supply of [[bolt]]s. The disadvantages are a limited supply of food; in the current version, animals are eventually depleted from a map, and even though aquatic life restocks, there are limited numbers present at a particular time, so larger fortresses usually cannot be supported with hunting alone. There is also no way to make alcohol from animals, so without trading some plants are necessary. Finally, even though livestock breeding can be unlimited, the additional units on the map required for this to work put additional strain on the CPU, slowing the game down.

On occasion, if you have a trapper that has captured a [[vermin]] creature in an [[animal trap]], a [[dwarf]] may eat that creature instead of other food.

==Eating==

A dwarf with the "Eat" task will pick up a unit of food, often according to his or her dietary preferences, then bring it to an available [[table]] or [[chair]] for consumption. A private [[room]] will normally be chosen over a public room; for this reason, note that a dwarf who owns a table-less [[office]] but no [[dining room]] will [[thought|complain]] about the lack of tables, even if a high-quality public dining room is available. This problem is easily solved by adding a table next to such an office-chair (like you would in a dining room). Also note that eating in a high-quality dining room does wonders for a dwarf's mood.

==Storage==

Food is stored in food [[stockpile]]s and can be placed in barrels and, in the case of [[seed]]s, [[bags]]. Food should be stored indoors, as it will rot if left outside for too long, rendering it inedible and your dwarves hungry.

==Cooked food==

Raw food can be [[cook]]ed into meals at a [[kitchen]]. The wider the variety of ingredients that a meal contains, the greater the number of dwarves who will have a preference for that meal. Additionally, some foods must be cooked before they can be eaten.

==Obtaining food==

The possible sources of food are [[farming]], [[plant gathering|foraging]], [[fishing]], [[caravan|trading]], [[butcher's shop|butchering animals]], [[hunting]], and a few exotic [[cheese|processes]]. Farming is by far the most reliable, foraging is perhaps the easiest to manage, and fishing is good early in a fortresses' life. If you are constantly experiencing problems with starvation, you are well advised to look into alternate means of procuring food.

==Processing food==

Some food is inedible raw, and needs processing first. For example:
* [[Fat]] must be rendered ([[kitchen]]) into [[tallow]] and then cooked ([[kitchen]])
* Raw [[fish]] must be [[fish cleaner|cleaned]] ([[fishery]])
* [[Sweet pod]]s must be either milled into [[dwarven sugar]] ([[mill]]/[[quern]]), processed to barrels of [[dwarven syrup]] ([[farmer's workshop]]), or brewed into barrels of [[dwarven rum]] ([[brewery]]) before they can finally be cooked ([[kitchen]])

Unprocessed food and non-food [[crop]]s will be stored in a food stockpile and take up barrel space, the [[bookkeeper]] can tell you how much of each type of "food" you have in the [[stocks]] screen.
[[Category:Food]]

==Food is important==

Food is crucial to the survival of your fortress. Before you know it your 200 population will dive-bomb right down to 10 or even lower. Your population will go on a downward spiral because of all the Miasma and dead bodies, and of course you'll have less farmers/hunters to generate new food. If you're very lucky you can start again in another area, or you can get some helpful migrants.

Remember to keep a large stockpile of food. If you do not have food;
*Dwarves will become unhappy and generate bad thoughts
*Dwarves will start hunting for vermin instead of doing important jobs
*Dwarves will get upset and start breaking things
*Dwarves will get mad and start trying to kill each other
*Dwarves will die from starvation
*The new dead bodies will only make everyone even more depressed

40d Talk:Mining

2008-07-14T10:37:52Z

AlexFili: my take

It'd be nice if someone could reformat this following the format of [[Farming]] -- that format should be the standard. --[[User:Infinity|Infinity]] 05:33, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

== Forcing stones to be hauled ==

Even with one dwarf set to having [[stone hauling]] as his only active job, I still have problems getting my stones hauled out of the way... any hints?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 01:26, 4 January 2008 (EST)
:Yes. For heavy-duty stone clearance, I prefer to use dumps. Set up a dump (any size). Mark the stones you want to shift as "dump" (use either the object display screen or the stockpiles interface). Order a bunch of dwarves to haul refuse. HTH. [[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 01:46, 4 January 2008 (EST)

== Talk page from Digging ==

I think this should be merged with [[mining]]. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 07:20, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:Move the 3D map stuff from [[Design strategies]] here and integrate. I feel it explains better how the floor/wall system works. -- [[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]] 10:49, 4 November 2007 (EST)

::Markavian explained the 3d system far better then i ever could - i vote it be the only way it's explained on this page for clarity. [[User:dethb0y|dethb0y]] 7:04, 5 November 2007 (EST)

Has anyone else noticed that the 'dig priority' holds true also for constructed items?<br>
i.e. You tell a dwarf to build a windmill, he'll TRY to be on the west side first? --[[User:CrushU|CrushU]] 22:13, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

----

Whoa. We have [[Digging]] AND [[Mining]]? Major R violation. *merges* --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:45, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

== One-way corridor? ==

Is it possible to create a one-way corridor? It's annoying trying to lead invaders into my traps, without all my stupid workers rushing to collect their friends' dead bodies. --[[User:AlexFili]], unsigned

:Nay. I, personally, keep all civilians in a giant squad. When danger comes, they are drafted and stationed in safety.
:Well, all but a few key ones (siege operators, The Lever Puller in the Control Room, etc). --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:31, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

== Mining Not Working ==

Well, I am a noob at this game (it was highly recommended to me) and I can't even figure out how to mine. I followed the exact directions given below, but when I hit ENTER a second time to designate an area to mine, all that happens is the flashing green cross disappears. What should I do?

:Are you sure you're really on "Mine" and not "Chop down trees" ? Things like that can happen when you're outside. [[User:Timst|Timst]] 04:26, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

::You need a wall or face to mine into. If you are trying to designate ground that dwarves are standing on then you need to be telling them to [[channel]] not [[mine]] but that isn't the way to go for most uses. If you're really stuck look at some tutorial vids on you-tube maybe (it worked for me!)[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 04:43, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

:::Try digging a downward staircase, then build an upward staircase on the level below. Then experiment with the digging tools. That's how I learned. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:37, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

40d:Defense guide

2008-07-14T08:09:36Z

AlexFili: removed confusing text

Protecting your fortress from intruders is a complex task. There's a variety of threats to consider, and many ways to counter them.

==General Guidelines==

* '''Minimize fortress entrances:''' Have a strong distinction between inside and outside. This usually corresponds to underground and surface, but not always. Each point of contact needs to be hardened against attack. Don't make more entrances than necessary. If there's an useless opening, wall it off.

* '''Concentric circles:''' One wall may not be enough. With the existence of door-destroying and bow-wielding attackers, a double wall between the inside and the outside is essential to fend off the worst assaults. The choke points between the circles are where you build traps or station troops.

* '''Assume the worst:''' Build up your defenses ''before'' the enemy shows up. Plan on being [[siege]]d by hordes of [[goblin]] archers, [[troll]]s, [[kobold]] master thieves, [[giant eagle]]s, angry [[elephants]], and a [[bronze colossus]] all at once. Hopefully, you will never have to face that kind of threat, but being ready for anything is the best bet.

==Threats==

===Wild animals===
The first, and easiest, threat you will have to deal with is the local wildlife. [[Animal]]s are easily excluded by the humble [[door]] or [[hatch]]. [[Elephant]]s are not nearly as aggressive as they were in the days of [[Boatmurdered]]. With [[cage]] [[trap]]s and an [[animal trainer]] (or [[Dungeon master]]) animals can be useful. Dwarves love [[zoo]]s, merchants will gladly take your caged animals, and they provide a [[food]] source in times of need.

===Thieves & snatchers===
Any creature with a career title of [[thief]] or master thief has a few nasty abilities. First, they are invisible until spotted by your dwarves or tame [[animal]]s. When spotted, there's an [[alert]] message, either "Protect the hoard!" or "Protect the children!" depending on the type of thief. Second, they can open [[door]]s. Not just for themselves either, the door stays open until a military dwarf "secures" the door, allowing any random creature to walk in. This can be a nasty surprise for players who aren't expecting it. Third, they bypass your [[trap]]s. Thankfully, they don't disarm them the way they neutralize doors. This trap avoidance isn't perfect, there's some element of luck involved, and kobold thieves seem to be a lot better at it than goblins. A thief caught in a cage trap will be revealed automatically, even if no dwarf is in sight of the trap. Last of all, they make dangerous prisoners. Unlike military captives, thieves will break free and attack if you attempt to transfer or [[pit]] them.

===Ambushes===
An [[ambush]] is a small number of enemies (less than ten) that are invisible until spotted, like thieves, but somewhat easier to detect. The alert message is "An ambush! Curse them!" They skulk around the outside of your fortress, looking for a target of opportunity. They will often attack [[caravan]]s as they move to your depot. Ambushers have random weapons, and typically have a leader (with a career title of "guard") with a different weapon from the rest.

If you have [[woodcutter]]s or [[hunter]]s roaming the surface, they are likely to be the first to encounter the ambush. This can provide a kind of early alert system, but you'll loose a few of them.

===Sieges===
A siege is a large number of attackers that are announced as soon as they appear on the map. The alert message is "A vile force of darkness has arrived!" While siegers are on the map, the word "SIEGE" appears in the top corners of the screen. Siegers are organized into a number of squads, each squad having a different weapon choice. A siege can be lead by a leader figure, often a master warrior. Goblin siegers bring along creatures such as [[troll]]s or [[beak dog]]s. Sieges tend to get progressively larger. It is unknown what factor this escalation is tied to.

===Enemy archers===
Attackers with [[bow]]s or [[crossbow]]s are much, much more threatening than those with melee weapons. Out shooting them with your marksdwarves is risky, and charging them with melee fighters is suicidal. Advanced techniques are needed to shield your dwarves from the deadly rain of arrows.

===Room destroyers===
Some creatures have the ROOM_DESTROYER tag in the raws. This gives them the fearful capacity of tearing apart your doors and bridges.

===Megabeasts===
A [[megabeast]] appears alone, with an alert message that mentions the beast by name. These creature are incredibly powerful, a match for even a well-trained, well-equipped squad.

==Elements==

===Soldiers===
The core of any defense plan is the soldiers. A trained and equipped [[military]] is the only way to bring the fight to the enemy. Keeping them in position is the tricky part.

====Roughing it====
Always have your soldiers carry food and water. They will each need a [[waterskin]] (or [[flask]]) and a [[backpack]]. This keeps your soldiers from wandering off to eat and drink. For around the clock defense, have them sleep on the ground when on duty. Hopefully the sounds of combat will wake them up before they get killed.

====Daylight training room====
Put a [[weapon rack]] on the surface near your entrance and make it a training room. Training dwarves will be in position if there's trouble. This also helps prevent cave adaption in your military. You can use an [[archery target]] this way, too.

===Doors and hatches===
The most obvious way to keep any enemy out is with a [[door]]. You can also forbid doors to keep your dwarves from wandering into unsafe areas. A [[floor hatch]] is just a vertical door.

===Walls===
Constructing walls around your entrance is an essential part of fortress defense. Currently, no creature can knock down a wall. Not only does it keep enemies out, your archers can stand on top of the wall and fire down. Keep in mind that this makes them vulnerable to enemy fire. To protect against that, build fortifications.

===Fortifications===
Fortifications block movement, and allow some missiles to pass through. Projectiles have a chance of being blocked, based on the firer's skill and distance to the fortification. Keep your marksdwarves close and keep enemies away. Build fortified firing platforms above ground level and put a nice wide moat between the wall and the enemy.

===Moats and bridges===
A retractable [[bridge]] over a [[moat]] is an almost airtight defense. The moat keeps building-destroyers away from the bridge, and the raised bridge blocks arrow fire. There are two important things to remember: Always build the bridge to raise towards the ''inside''. The [[lever]] has to be pulled by a civilian, not a soldier.

The moat doesn't have to be filled with water or magma. Arguably, a dry moat is a better defense. If you want to build an escape rout out of your moat, make sure is leads to the outside, and is barred by a door (at least).

A moat with a non-retractable bridge is still potentially useful: It keeps enemy archers away from your fortifications, and it channels enemies into a narrow area.

A drawbridge without a moat is just a big remote control door.

===Remote control doors===
If you link a [[lever]] to a door, it becomes impossible for your dwarves to open and close it normally. Pulling the lever is the only way to open it. This keeps your dwarves locked in as well as keeping enemies out. It's unknown if thieves can open a door once it's linked.

A [[floodgate]] can be used just like a door, with two differences: A floodgate can be placed next to another floodgate, unlike a door, which needs to be adjacent to a wall. A floodgate is closed by default, and can only be opened with a lever. Be careful not to trap your dwarves.

A [[hatch cover]] can also be used this way.

You can use a [[pressure plate]] instead of a lever, but there are many complications there.

===Traps===
The most reliable way to stop intruders is lots of [[trap]]s. A thief's trap avoidance is subject to chance. A line of traps can wipe out an ambushes entirely, and inflict a lot of damage on a siege.

====Stone fall trap====
This is the easiest trap to build, so you can easily build them in large numbers. Building lots of them is an easy way to earn experience for your [[mechanic]], and add to your fort's defenses at the same time. Surround every intersection and stairway.

====Cage trap====
A very strong type of trap. Maybe even too strong. Currently, even a wooden or glass [[cage]] can hold indefinitely any creature, even trolls and megabeasts. Also, a cage trap never fails. A large creature can shrug off damage from a stone or weapon trap, but nothing can escape from a cage. Use cage traps as your outermost traps to catch the occasional wandering animal. A wounded [[elephant]] or [[unicorn]] in your front courtyard is not good at all.

====Weapon trap====
The gold standard of traps. This is the only simple trap that works repeatedly without reloading. They do get jammed, however. View the trap with the '''items in room''' {{key|t}} mode, and if there's a corpse inside the trap, it's jammed. None of the weapons on a jammed trap will function. It may be wiser to have several weapon traps with fewer weapons, rather than a smaller number of ten-weapon traps.

Using [[crossbow]]s in weapon traps avoids the problem of jamming, but has to be loaded with bolts.

===Guard animals===
[[Chain]]ed animals are sentries, not fighters. Most animals aren't strong enough to take more than one goblin warrior. Enemies with bows are even worse. The real purpose of guard animals is to spot thieves. Anything will do here, a cat is fine. Don't use something useful, like a war dog. Put animals in narrow corridors, in places where enemy archers can't see them.

====Distraction animals====
A somewhat more evil use for tame animals is as a distraction. Build a [[cage]] full of tame animals outside your gate, and link it to a lever. Attackers will ignore the cage, but when the lever is pulled and the animals escape, your enemies will chase the helpless animals all over the map. Take advantage of the distraction to move against the enemy, or clear a gap for a caravan.

===[[Siege engine]]s===
Catapults are only useful for training and stone disposal. Ballistas are deadly, but fire expensive ammunition, and hit both friend and foe alike.

Remember that [[siege operator]]s are civilians. Fortunately, siege engines can fire through fortifications, just like normal projectiles.

===Turrets===
[[Construct]] a tower that's sealed off, so that the only access is from the tunnels below. Carve fortifications on the second or third floor, so your dwarves can fire out. For extra usefulness, build a [[barracks]], [[archery target]], [[food]] [[stockpile]], and [[dining room]] in or near the turret.

====Siege engine turrets====
If it's big enough, build a siege engine inside a turret. The device needs to be on ground level. Only a single tile of fortifications is needed to fire through the wall. You may want to build a moat or secondary wall to keep enemies at a distance. Build the tower in line to fire parallel your outer wall or moat, where invaders tend to congregate.

==Considerations==

===Civilians stay underground===
This setting, in the [[orders and options]] menu is the easiest way to keep your non-military dwarves out of sight of the enemy. It is far from perfect, as dwarves will do the "entrance dance." They will attempt to leave the fortress, and only cancel jobs once they reach the surface.

It takes a truly airtight fortress to turn this setting off while there are still enemies outside.

* '''Screen the entrance''' Build a simple wall around your entryway. This will keep your dwarves safe from enemy fire while doing the entrance dance.

* '''Forbid dropped equipment and corpses''' Use the [[forbid]] [[designation]] to mark every item on the battlefield as [[forbid]]den. This includes any items dropped by dead merchants or scuttled wagons.

* '''Delete stockpiles and turn off tombs''' As a preemptive measure, you can delete your stockpiles. Dwarves don't haul things if there's no [[stockpile]] to place them in. Turning off or removing [[coffin]]s stops burials as well.

* '''Keep them busy''' Make a bunch of busy-work for your dwarves, just to keep them underground. It's not perfect but it helps. Time to re-organize your stockpiles.

===Trade depot===
Factoring in access to the [[trade depot]] adds a layer of complexity. Letting merchants in while keeping enemies out requires a careful balance. The merchants do reveal ambushes, and they can arrive in the middle of a [[siege]].

[[Wagon]]s need a three tile wide path to the depot. You will probably want to build the depot underground, so civilian dwarves can access the depot. Wagons can't use stairs, so you need a three-tile [[ramp]], unless you can dig into the face of a cliff.

===Airlock defenses/buffer zone===
Build two walls, each with a drawbridge. Build the trade depot in the buffer zone between them. Keep the outer bridge open, and the inner one closed. When the merchants appear, put crossbows on the walls to guard thier approach. Once all the merchants are safely inside, close the outer bridge and open the inner one. Once there's no enemies left in the buffer zone, your civilians can start loading up the depot.

The airlock pattern can be useful even without putting the depot there. Let a few siegers in at a time, and crush them with superior numbers. Reset the traps, Rest up the soldiers, and repeat.

===Branching corridors===
Enemies will take the most direct path to your fortress. You can use this to your advantage. Have two paths to the fortress: a long, twisting, three-wide road, and a shorter, one tile wide, trap-filled passage. Attackers will usually prefer the short and deadly path. This makes a good line of fire for a ballista, too.

This isn't a perfect method, but surprisingly effective.

===Civilians trapped outdoors===
===Water sources===
===Trees===
===Death from below===
===Lever room===

[[Category:Guide]]

40d:Defense guide

2008-07-14T08:02:41Z

AlexFili: fixed the text

Protecting your fortress from intruders is a complex task. There's a variety of threats to consider, and many ways to counter them.

==General Guidelines==

* '''Minimize fortress entrances:''' Have a strong distinction between inside and outside. This usually corresponds to underground and surface, but not always. Each point of contact needs to be hardened against attack. Don't make more entrances than necessary. If there's an useless opening, wall it off.

* '''Concentric circles:''' One wall may not be enough. With the existence of door-destroying and bow-wielding attackers, a double wall between the inside and the outside is essential to fend off the worst assaults. The choke points between the circles are where you build traps or station troops.

* '''Assume the worst:''' Build up your defenses ''before'' the enemy shows up. Plan on being [[siege]]d by hordes of [[goblin]] archers, [[troll]]s, [[kobold]] master thieves, [[giant eagle]]s, angry [[elephants]], and a [[bronze colossus]] all at once. Hopefully, you will never have to face that kind of threat, but being ready for anything is the best bet.

==Threats==

===Wild animals===
The first, and easiest, threat you will have to deal with is the local wildlife. [[Animal]]s are easily excluded by the humble [[door]] or [[hatch]]. [[Elephant]]s are not nearly as aggressive as they were in the days of [[Boatmurdered]]. With [[cage]] [[trap]]s and an [[animal trainer]] (or [[Dungeon master]]) animals can be useful. Dwarves love [[zoo]]s, merchants will gladly take your caged animals, and they provide a [[food]] source in times of need.

===Thieves & snatchers===
Any creature with a career title of [[thief]] or master thief has a few nasty abilities. First, they are invisible until spotted by your dwarves or tame [[animal]]s. When spotted, there's an [[alert]] message, either "Protect the hoard!" or "Protect the children!" depending on the type of thief. Second, they can open [[door]]s. Not just for themselves either, the door stays open until a military dwarf "secures" the door, allowing any random creature to walk in. This can be a nasty surprise for players who aren't expecting it. Third, they bypass your [[trap]]s. Thankfully, they don't disarm them the way they neutralize doors. This trap avoidance isn't perfect, there's some element of luck involved, and kobold thieves seem to be a lot better at it than goblins. A thief caught in a cage trap will be revealed automatically, even if no dwarf is in sight of the trap. Last of all, they make dangerous prisoners. Unlike military captives, thieves will break free and attack if you attempt to transfer or [[pit]] them.

===Ambushes===
An [[ambush]] is a small number of enemies (less than ten) that are invisible until spotted, like thieves, but somewhat easier to detect. The alert message is "An ambush! Curse them!" They skulk around the outside of your fortress, looking for a target of opportunity. They will often attack [[caravan]]s as they move to your depot. Ambushers have random weapons, and typically have a leader (with a career title of "guard") with a different weapon from the rest.

If you have [[woodcutter]]s or [[hunter]]s roaming the surface, they are likely to be the first to encounter the ambush. This can provide a kind of early alert system, but you'll loose a few of them.

===Sieges===
A siege is a large number of attackers that are announced as soon as they appear on the map. The alert message is "A vile force of darkness has arrived!" While siegers are on the map, the word "SIEGE" appears in the top corners of the screen. Siegers are organized into a number of squads, each squad having a different weapon choice. A siege can be lead by a leader figure, often a master warrior. Goblin siegers bring along creatures such as [[troll]]s or [[beak dog]]s. Sieges tend to get progressively larger. It is unknown what factor this escalation is tied to.

===Enemy archers===
Attackers with [[bow]]s or [[crossbow]]s are much, much more threatening than those with melee weapons. Out shooting them with your marksdwarves is risky, and charging them with melee fighters is suicidal. Advanced techniques are needed to shield your dwarves from the deadly rain of arrows.

===Room destroyers===
Some creatures have the ROOM_DESTROYER tag in the raws. This gives them the fearful capacity of tearing apart your doors and bridges.

===Megabeasts===
A [[megabeast]] appears alone, with an alert message that mentions the beast by name. These creature are incredibly powerful, a match for even a well-trained, well-equipped squad.

==Elements==

===Soldiers===
The core of any defense plan is the soldiers. A trained and equipped [[military]] is the only way to bring the fight to the enemy. Keeping them in position is the tricky part.

====Roughing it====
Always have your soldiers carry food and water. They will each need a [[waterskin]] (or [[flask]]) and a [[backpack]]. This keeps your soldiers from wandering off to eat and drink. For around the clock defense, have them sleep on the ground when on duty. Hopefully the sounds of combat will wake them up before they get killed.

====Daylight training room====
Put a [[weapon rack]] on the surface near your entrance and make it a training room. Training dwarves will be in position if there's trouble. This also helps prevent cave adaption in your military. You can use an [[archery target]] this way, too.

===Doors and hatches===
The most obvious way to keep any enemy out is with a [[door]]. You can also forbid doors to keep your dwarves from wandering into unsafe areas. A [[floor hatch]] is just a vertical door.

===Walls===
Constructing walls around your entrance is an essential part of fortress defense. Currently, no creature can knock down a wall. Not only does it keep enemies out, your archers can stand on top of the wall and fire down. Keep in mind that this makes them vulnerable to enemy fire. To protect against that, build fortifications.

===Fortifications===
Fortifications block movement, and allow some missiles to pass through. Projectiles have a chance of being blocked, based on the firer's skill and distance to the fortification. Keep your marksdwarves close and keep enemies away. Build fortified firing platforms above ground level and put a nice wide moat between the wall and the enemy.

===Moats and bridges===
A retractable [[bridge]] over a [[moat]] is an almost airtight defense. The moat keeps building-destroyers away from the bridge, and the raised bridge blocks arrow fire. There are two important things to remember: Always build the bridge to raise towards the ''inside''. The [[lever]] has to be pulled by a civilian, not a soldier.

The moat doesn't have to be filled with water or magma. Arguably, a dry moat is a better defense. If you want to build an escape rout out of your moat, make sure is leads to the outside, and is barred by a door (at least).

A moat with a non-retractable bridge is still potentially useful: It keeps enemy archers away from your fortifications, and it channels enemies into a narrow area.

A drawbridge without a moat is just a big remote control door.

===Remote control doors===
If you link a [[lever]] to a door, it becomes impossible for your dwarves to open and close it normally. Pulling the lever is the only way to open it. This keeps your dwarves locked in as well as keeping enemies out. It's unknown if thieves can open a door once it's linked.

A [[floodgate]] can be used just like a door, with two differences: A floodgate can be placed next to another floodgate, unlike a door, which needs to be adjacent to a wall. A floodgate is closed by default, and can only be opened with a lever. Be careful not to trap your dwarves.

A [[hatch cover]] can also be used this way.

You can use a [[pressure plate]] instead of a lever, but there are many complications there.

===Traps===
The most reliable way to stop intruders is lots of [[trap]]s. A thief's trap avoidance is subject to chance. A line of traps can wipe out an ambushes entirely, and inflict a lot of damage on a siege.

====Stone fall trap====
This is the easiest trap to build, so you can easily build them in large numbers. Building lots of them is an easy way to earn experience for your [[mechanic]], and add to your fort's defenses at the same time. Surround every intersection and stairway.

====Cage trap====
A very strong type of trap. Maybe even too strong. Currently, even a wooden or glass [[cage]] can hold indefinitely any creature, even trolls and megabeasts. Also, a cage trap never fails. A large creature can shrug off damage from a stone or weapon trap, but nothing can escape from a cage. Use cage traps as your outermost traps to catch the occasional wandering animal. A wounded [[elephant]] or [[unicorn]] in your front courtyard is not good at all.

====Weapon trap====
The gold standard of traps. This is the only simple trap that works repeatedly without reloading. They do get jammed, however. View the trap with the '''items in room''' {{key|t}} mode, and if there's a corpse inside the trap, it's jammed. None of the weapons on a jammed trap will function. It may be wiser to have several weapon traps with fewer weapons, rather than a smaller number of ten-weapon traps.

Using [[crossbow]]s in weapon traps avoids the problem of jamming, but has to be loaded with bolts.

===Guard animals===
[[Chain]]ed animals are sentries, not fighters. Most animals aren't strong enough to take more than one goblin warrior. Enemies with bows are even worse. The real purpose of guard animals is to spot thieves. Anything will do here, a cat is fine. Don't use something useful, like a war dog. Put animals in narrow corridors, in places where enemy archers can't see them.

====Distraction animals====
A somewhat more evil use for tame animals is as a distraction. Build a [[cage]] full of tame animals outside your gate, and link it to a lever. Attackers will ignore the cage, but when the lever is pulled and the animals escape, your enemies will chase the helpless animals all over the map. Take advantage of the distraction to move against the enemy, or clear a gap for a caravan.

===[[Siege engine]]s===
Catapults are only useful for training and stone disposal. Ballistas are deadly, but fire expensive ammunition, and hit both friend and foe alike.

Remember that [[siege operator]]s are civilians. Fortunately, siege engines can fire through fortifications, just like normal projectiles.

===Turrets===
[[Construct]] a tower that's sealed off, so that the only access is from the tunnels below. Carve fortifications on the second or third floor, so your dwarves can fire out. For extra usefulness, build a [[barracks]], [[archery target]], [[food]] [[stockpile]], and [[dining room]] in or near the turret.

====Siege engine turrets====
If it's big enough, build a siege engine inside a turret. The tower needs to be The device needs to be on ground level. Only a single tile of fortifications is needed to fire through the wall. You may want to build a moat or secondary wall to keep enemies at a distance. Build the tower in line to fire parallel your outer wall or moat, where invaders tend to congregate.

==Considerations==

===Civilians stay underground===
This setting, in the [[orders and options]] menu is the easiest way to keep your non-military dwarves out of sight of the enemy. It is far from perfect, as dwarves will do the "entrance dance." They will attempt to leave the fortress, and only cancel jobs once they reach the surface.

It takes a truly airtight fortress to turn this setting off while there are still enemies outside.

* '''Screen the entrance''' Build a simple wall around your entryway. This will keep your dwarves safe from enemy fire while doing the entrance dance.

* '''Forbid dropped equipment and corpses''' Use the [[forbid]] [[designation]] to mark every item on the battlefield as [[forbid]]den. This includes any items dropped by dead merchants or scuttled wagons.

* '''Delete stockpiles and turn off tombs''' As a preemptive measure, you can delete your stockpiles. Dwarves don't haul things if there's no [[stockpile]] to place them in. Turning off or removing [[coffin]]s stops burials as well.

* '''Keep them busy''' Make a bunch of busy-work for your dwarves, just to keep them underground. It's not perfect but it helps. Time to re-organize your stockpiles.

===Trade depot===
Factoring in access to the [[trade depot]] adds a layer of complexity. Letting merchants in while keeping enemies out requires a careful balance. The merchants do reveal ambushes, and they can arrive in the middle of a [[siege]].

[[Wagon]]s need a three tile wide path to the depot. You will probably want to build the depot underground, so civilian dwarves can access the depot. Wagons can't use stairs, so you need a three-tile [[ramp]], unless you can dig into the face of a cliff.

===Airlock defenses/buffer zone===
Build two walls, each with a drawbridge. Build the trade depot in the buffer zone between them. Keep the outer bridge open, and the inner one closed. When the merchants appear, put crossbows on the walls to guard thier approach. Once all the merchants are safely inside, close the outer bridge and open the inner one. Once there's no enemies left in the buffer zone, your civilians can start loading up the depot.

The airlock pattern can be useful even without putting the depot there. Let a few siegers in at a time, and crush them with superior numbers. Reset the traps, Rest up the soldiers, and repeat.

===Branching corridors===
Enemies will take the most direct path to your fortress. You can use this to your advantage. Have two paths to the fortress: a long, twisting, three-wide road, and a shorter, one tile wide, trap-filled passage. Attackers will usually prefer the short and deadly path. This makes a good line of fire for a ballista, too.

This isn't a perfect method, but surprisingly effective.

===Civilians trapped outdoors===
===Water sources===
===Trees===
===Death from below===
===Lever room===

[[Category:Guide]]

40d Talk:Coffin

2008-07-11T11:18:16Z

AlexFili: /* Style */

==Where to put them==
Do I build these on a stockpile, or is the stockpile "next to" where I want to "inter" dwarves?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 20:48, 5 January 2008 (EST)
:You build them wherever you want to put your dead. I'm not too sure what stockpile you're talking about. If you have the coffin built prior to dwarven-death, the bloke that has to haul the departed should put them directly into the coffin. I could be wrong, but I personally haven't seen a dwarf moved from graveyard "stockpile" to a coffin, and believe that if a place of burial isn't available upon death, that they won't be buried, simply hauled. I could easily be wrong on this, but that's what my experience showed me, the one time I had a dead dwarf in a graveyard that hadn't started rotting when a coffin was newly built. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 03:17, 6 January 2008 (EST)
::I believe he referring to the graveyard stockpile where dead things will be dumped if the do not have use of a coffin. Also note that coffins must be built underground(or in a room?).--[[User:Mhyder|Mhyder]] 12:09, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
== Deceased ==

OK, so I can build a Tomb and asign it to ''live citizens''.

What about my poor dead woodcutter sitting outside in the dead animal repository... how do I get him appropriately '''interred'''?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 20:55, 5 January 2008 (EST)

:Open up the {{k|q}} menu and press the key for 'use for burial', {{k|r}} I believe. The 'make tomb' option is just to make the stuck-up nobles happy about their burial arrangements. --[[User:Valdemar|Valdemar]] 21:11, 5 January 2008 (EST)
:: When said stuck-up noble is dead, deconstruct and dump the stuck-up coffin.--[[User:Aykavil|Aykavil]] 05:59, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

== Allow Citizens ==
So I know that if you "q" over the built burial receptacle, you can "Allow Pets" and "Allow Citizens". I understand if you don't want pets beside your dwarves, but what is the "allow citizens" option used for? Turning it off does not seem to affect the ability to bury my dwarves. --[[User:Langdon|Langdon]] 02:43, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
::Neither of these options forbids citizens. The allow pets one will allow a pet or a citizen to be buried there. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 14:20, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

== Style ==
Bonus [[fun|points]] for placing coffins in the wine cellar. [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevaliers_de_la_table_ronde_%28chanson_populaire%29 Si je meurs je veux qu'on m'enterre dans une cave où y a du bon vin] --[[User:Aykavil|Aykavil]] 05:59, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

:You reminded me of that funny episode of the Simpsons where Bart is kidnapped in France and forced to make wine by some thugs. On another note, what does that song mean anyway? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 07:18, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Exploit

2008-07-10T09:31:07Z

AlexFili: /* Ideological point of views */

== Deadly bridges ==

As far as I recall megabeasts can't be killed with bridge, and they destroy it when it tries to smash them. Article does state that bridge can destroy everything. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 00:24, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

:Also I often hear that demons are not affected by the bridge and that it is destroyed if it lowers on top of them. We need some verification on this.--[[User:Richards|Richards]] 00:57, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
== Quantum stockpiles ==
[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] wrote an exploit about Siege engines that doesn't makes much sense. We need someone to expand it.--[[User:Richards|Richards]] 01:09, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

You fire the stone into the wall, which then falls into the trench. As the trench is limited in space, stones start piling up. (Apparently, catapults are no good at doing what they were historically used for - destroying walls... And they fire in flat trajectories - i would have honestly expected stones to travel up z-levels - but having tested catapults with roofs over them, they work, which i find silly but what the heck...). Note that this is only a quantum stockpile for stone, as opposed to dump, which is much more versatile, but there's also no need to reclaim. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 02:15, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

:Thanks. I'll add that in.--[[User:Richards|Richards]] 02:37, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

::Well I guess eventually there will be a limit of how many items can be on a specific square... but for the moment there can be an infinite number of items no any square. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:10, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

== Ideological point of views ==

Given the endless discussions on the net on what is considered or not cheating (as opposed to modding, or fair use of game mechanics, etc.), I suggest being extra careful of not asserting what is or what is not [[cheating]].

Exploits are distinct from cheating because ...

Some would say

Exploits are a distinct form of cheating because ...

Plus, the justification
Whether a player chooses to make use of an exploit or not depends on their personal taste;
given that Dwarf Fortress is a single-player game, no one is actually harmed when you use an exploit.

equally applies to all forms of cheating (or non-cheating).

I would also stress that DF is currently more of a sandbox than a game with difficult goals, and that players boast more about their devious schemes and grand projects than about ''winning''.

--[[User:Aykavil|Aykavil]] 05:20, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

:Don't forget, many cheaters 'cheat' because they want to find out how particular functions work or to 'test out theories'. Then of course there's the people who cheat to simply save time. These are different from the people who would cheat just for 'kicks'. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:31, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Tomb

2008-06-27T09:23:36Z

AlexFili: /* Tomb design */

==Tomb design==
OK - being pretty minimalist at the moment - my tomb looks like this:<br>
{{qd|cols=7|
█|█|█|┼|█|█|█|
█|0|0|0|0|0|█|
█|0|0|0|0|0|█|
█|0|0|0|0|0|█|
█|0|0|0|0|0|█|
e|t|c|.|.|.|.|
█|0|0|0|0|0|█|
█|█|█|┼|█|█|█}}
Any problems with this? I know nobles eventually will want a smoothed room with platinum statues and gee-gaws to pretty the place up but I'm not getting to that yet. Is it easy enough to relocate an occupied coffin to somewhere out of the way, so that it is easier to bury freashly dead?<br>
--[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 23:12, 8 February 2008 (EST)

Yeah, just dismantle the coffin, and rebuild somewhere else.
By the way, only use tombs for the nobles. Use an above-ground graveyard for everyone else. Trust me, you'll get bogged down by corpses in year 10+ if you don't. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:23, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

40d:Stymied

2008-06-19T08:51:12Z

AlexFili:

Occasionally the warning "Diplomacy Stymied" can appear with the following message; A diplomat has left unhappy. This can usually occur whenever a diplomat is threatened or cannot get a chance to speak to the dwarven mayor.

{{Errors FAQ}}

40d Talk:Bone

2008-06-19T08:49:39Z

AlexFili: /* bonecarn */

I'm pretty sure bone in refuse piles underground lasts a LOT longer, if not indefinitely. This makes it helpful to have one place above ground that accepts everything, and then another underground that only collects bones for carving. Can anyone verify this? I don't want to put this information in the article in case it just SEEMS like a lot longer to me because my games run at 10fps. --Gotthard 08:56, 29 November 2007 (EST)
:I use that underground refuse for bones,skulls and shells and never saw any bone to dissapear on any 'underground' tile in at least 8 years. A refuse pile is not needed (except to actually deliver the bones there in the first place). 'Inside' but 'above ground' refuse stockpiles don't help bones to last longer at all.--[[User:Another|Another]] 09:47, 29 November 2007 (EST)

:AFAIK, all refuse left above ground disappear at season changes (at least bones/shells/chunks, not sure about the limbs and corpses)
I'm interested in following - how much bones will the corpse leave, if it lacks limbs. It seems to me, that a goblin corpse will generate 6 bone stack in any case. In this case: you kill a goblin - you get 6 bones, but if you tear his legs before killing him, you'll get two bones for legs, and six for body. Can anyone verify and clear this out?--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 04:17, 11 January 2008 (EST)

:From experience in past forts, I seem to remember each limb loss reduced the "main" stack by one.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:09, 11 January 2008 (EST)
::In my current fort, I just had a bunch of goblins met a bunch of *large steel serrated disks*, so I had a LOT of limbs and a LOT of corpses. Some time passed. I have a LOT of "goblin bone"s and a LOT of "goblin bone[6]"s. not a single "goblin bone[2]" (or [3/4/5]). Will investigate further, cause they could be just stripped of ALL their bones >;)--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 00:19, 4 February 2008 (EST)
::Made some tests: dropped kittens from very high. Result is always a corpse, four legs, head and tail. after rotting they leave 5 separate bones, two in a stack (body), and, strangely, no skull (no idea why, maybe bug). So, that's a way to farm bones!--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 08:10, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

== butcher goblins ==
Does butchering goblin or elven corpses work? I also failed to butcher the corpse of a cat killed by goblins though it was right next to the butcher and the horse next to it was butchered (the cat was a pet). --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 18:17, 28 February 2008 (EST)
:Depending on the creature tags, some creatures cannot be butchered, and pet-like creatures usually can only be butchered live. If they die in battle they cannot be butchered (but you can still use the bones after they rot). --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:02, 29 February 2008 (EST)
::Well, that exactly fits my experience - should we put a note in the article? Saves all the hauling of goblins and ''accidently'' died elves ;). They also rot faster outside..--[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 13:23, 29 February 2008 (EST)

== Dwarven Bones ==
Is it possible to use dwarven bones for any kind of crafting? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:30, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

:If you edit the raws. Otherwise, if you get a fell mood. Otherwise, nope. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:13, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

::Yeah, I think I'll modify the code. I think it makes sense if you use dwarven bones to make weapons; I mean come on, they're already dead so that harm is already done. Besides, dwarves don't care about using goblin bones, so why not dwarf bones?! :) --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:08, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

:::Anyone know what I need to modify in order to allow dwarf bones to be used in boneworking? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:52, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

== crossbows ==

The [[crossbow]] page seems certain that the material of a crossbow only affects damage output if it's being used as a hammer. Bolts are affected as by material.
--[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 11:55, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

:The [[crossbow]] page is right. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 08:13, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

== bonecarn ==

I don't see this ever coming up in normal unmodded gameplay, but can creatures with the [BONECARN] tag eat things(armor, bolts, crafts) made from bone?

:I don't think so. I'd imagine that anything made out of bone is a seperate kind of item, and so not edible. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 04:49, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Marriage

2008-06-19T08:46:29Z

AlexFili:

out of 5 marriages in my fortress so far, 5 involved a man and woman, and 5 'decided to forego marriage celebrations'.
please post results from your fortress, and I'd also like to know what kind of celebrations they do undertake. [[User:Twiggie|Twiggie]] 13:27, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
: Of mine, 3 of 3 (in 2 different fortresses) have celebrated. The celebration is a party at a (probably random) dining room / zoo/ statue - both of the couple get Attend Party for a while, as do at least some other dwarves. Are you perhaps not defining anywhere for them to hold a party? (I also remember reading on the forums that they wouldn't celebrate in the first year, as with any other party, though I can't find that now) - [[User:Cim|Cim]] 17:26, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
:: yea :p i got fed up with them throwing parties after the first one.... [[User:Twiggie|Twiggie]] 19:24, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

ok i changed the main page... if anyone gets dwarves that dont celebrate marriage in a statue garden, zoo etc, please change it so that it is appropriate. [[User:Twiggie|Twiggie]] 11:44, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

::Just out of curiosity, is it possible for multiple "Lovers"? That is to say, can a dwarf have more then one wife? What if the wife dies, can he marry again? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:29, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

I have a fortress running on it's 14th year with very small socialising areas and a population cap of 30. I'm pretty sure neither multiple lovers nor re-marrying is an option. Dwarves, it seems, are very monogamous. Also, all my married couples have held a celebration, I feel that implies that celebrations are only foregone if there is no place to hold them, although that isn't quite for certain --[[User:Sartain|Sartain]] 20:29, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

:No, it's not just about free rooms. Sometimes dwarves just want to get married in peace. People in real life do the same thing. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 04:46, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

2008-06-17T11:01:12Z

AlexFili: /* Magma Flow */

==Bugfix log for 0.27.169.33g:==
* 12/21/2007:
** Made human pack animals arrive with trade goods properly
** Fixed problem that caused some entities to not use feature materials properly
** Stopped premature starts on mood construction
** Restricted glass requests for moods
** Fixed problem with constructions and subterranean designations
** Changed order of item types on stocks screen
** Fixed problem with stuck soldiers after [[wrestling]] practice
* 12/20/2007: Updated the bring-to-depot interface
* 12/19/2007:
** Made dead ambushers show up on the unit screen
** Displayed region folder above game type choices
** Added init option for pause on load
** Allowed embark rectangle to be 2x2
** Allowed embark rectangle size to be set in init
** Made cage/chain lists show relevant building picture instead of a C
** Disallowed certain predators from the intro text
** Tweaked stuck-in removal text
** Gave occupied cage items/buildings different name text
** Made contained trade items fill out the container
** Made world generation results independent of custom name
** Fixed problem with glaciers melting on load
* 12/18/2007:
** Changed priorities of idle designations
** Changed vermin/pet names in stocks screen
** Changed leader text in status screen
* 12/17/2007:
** Updated embark race name to support non-dwarves.
** Fixed gem typo on stocks screen.

==Bugfix log for 0.27.169.33f:==
* 12/14/2007: Made items that are thrown or shot in dwarf mode forbidden, sped up freezing water checks, made various types of items capable of destruction by fire, fixed a burn lag issue, fixed problem that made invader AI turn off, stopped full goblin armies from attacking smaller sites, fixed conflict with migrant projectiles and stranded item code
* 12/13/2007: Changed how tree line works, corrected idler count vs. meetings, stopped wells/grates/hatches from being built in walls and other obstacles, sped up region information collector, allowed magma buildings to be built after discovering endgame areas, disable mud/blood spreading, made wagon start in selected biome if possible, stopped elves from being pleased with unethical trades, allowed more item types to hauled to the depot, made caravan items respect thread/cloth information for bags and other items, stopped wagon pullers that are also pack animals from being loaded with trade goods, homogenized pullers of a given wagon, stopped production jobs from using dump/melt designated objects, fixed a possible problem with rot locations, cleaned up some of the eat/get provisions code, made ocean waves drop salt water, made silk more susceptible to fire damage, consolidated some map event code, fixed problem with food item descriptions, fixed food ingredient value calculation
* 12/12/2007: Fixed laced typo, made engravings go away properly upon channel and other dig jobs, handled snow etc. versus construction removal, stopped cancelled smoothing jobs from undesignating tile, stopped dwarves from mining out/removing their own and each other's floor tiles, stopped burned corpses from dropping two skeletons, tweaked dwarf site entrances, made adv mode people talk about surrounding regions again, made adventure mode travel ambushes happen again
* 12/11/2007: Added tile support for appointed dwarves, fixed a few problems with geological layer creation, added gender check for king consort, fixed cliff indicator key, fixed bottom of magma pools, removed pet info from work animals properly, stopped inappropriate ambush messages from being generated by cage traps, fixed improper above ground designations, fixed problem with food storage barrels being brought to restricted piles, made mayor announcement display the proper unit type

==Bugfix log for 0.27.169.33e:==
* 12/08/2007: Fixed problem with meeting queue skipping, fixed problem with noble queue and complaints, fixed problem with moods involving glass and rough gems, cleaned out demands/mandates when a mayor loses re-election, extended account exemption to leader/sheriff, fixed tile for dead trees being chopped down, made lava warm diagonal squares, fixed more fallowing problems, stopped flashing ramp designations from giving away hidden locations, fixed some job issues with the manager screen, added missing woodworker title, removed ambush state for creatures caught in cage traps, fixed typo in art element descriptions
* 12/07/2007: Made veins and other rock types collapse downward properly, added a skeletal flag for certain parts that skeletons would want, stopped siege operators from firing at hidden units, stopped unchained dwarves from using beds in jails, fixed problem with cursor on military screen, stopped mandaters from bringing trade goods to depot, fixed icon for blinking trees with fallen leaves, stopped nobles from caring about the rooms of other dwarves if they don't require that room, resolved recover wounded/justice conflict, added note for deceased criminals, stopped self-punishment in justice, fixed various problems with movement involving chains, fixed problem with currency screen lumping together all metal types, made caravans bring proper animals following trade agreements, fixed problem causing trade animals to have trade flags prematurely removed
* 12/06/2007: Stopped constructions from preserving subterranean status for indoor areas, stopped solidified swamps from starting over volcanoes, added liner to volcano wall, stopped automated buildings from generating jobs if they've been claimed by a mood dwarf, made projectiles respect archery targets and reworked some related code
* 12/05/2007: Fixed abandon crash, handled floor placement for walls constructed below melting liquids, stopped breaks from affecting unrelated body systems, fixed bugs stopping some creatures from attacking others in their square

==Bugfix log for 0.27.169.33d:==
* 11/30/2007: Fixed typo, fixed trap component selection from embark, fixed crash bug on embark item selection screen
* 11/28/2007: Fixed counteroffer crash
* 11/27/2007: Fixed rest/drink infinite loop, got rid of some bucket spam and changed how meal/drink request timer resets, fixed some typos, fixed pathing problem with trigger linking, fixed problem with item list updates in embark screen, fixed problem with soldiers filling waterskins at wells with many water objects
* 11/26/2007: Tweaked depot list sorting

==Bugfix log for 0.27.169.33c:==
* 11/23/2007: Fixed problem with multiple nobles arriving, stopped new entities from using soil for craft material, expanded trade/startup item list
* 11/22/2007: Added categories to item selection in embark
* 11/21/2007: Fixed crash bug from saving while somebody is falling down a chasm, made items drop when a ramp is dug out beneath them, handled some typos, stopped dig designations from persisting on caved-in spaces, stopped soldiers from pilfering food from caravans for their backpacks, allowed units that can't find a bed to rest to take eat/drink jobs, added init option for dwarfort.exe priority, stopped farms from resetting earlier seasons to fallow
* 11/20/2007: Fixed crash bug from equipment check on multi-item holds and some related problems, messed with break code a bit, added some controls on parties
* 11/19/2007: Allowed diplomats and merchants to escape off the edge from deep/high areas, fixed crash bug on abandon, added trained animals to the animal screen, tracked why units are following certain units more closely, stopped children from tagging along after their parents once they grow up, added short distance search for stay inside order

==Bugfix log for 0.27.169.33b:==
* 11/15/2007: Fixed lag caused by creatures wandering in liquid, tweaked pathfinding, fixed lag associated to wilderness creatures
* 11/14/2007: Stopped miasma from escaping coffins, stopped floor removal over constructed walls from leaving empty space, stopped channeling a floor over a constructed wall from leaving empty space, fixed some cases of liquid flows not starting up properly, fixed problem with windows and vision, caused some buildings to block vermin, cleaned residual jobs on site saves, stopped buildings from destroying ramps/stairs, fixed connectivity problem from ramp digging, fixed a problem with constructed stair placement, stopped appointment of leader position, gave threadable stones economic status, fixed a few problems with counter offers
* 11/13/2007: Fixed trap component/anvil metal use issues, stopped live vermin from being eaten all the time, stopped square trampling from removing dig designations, stopped stockpiles from removing liquids on placement
* 11/12/2007: Fixed crash bug from archery training, fixed a problem with wagon pathing, fixed problem with wagon speed, handled problem with 3D projectile targeting, capped reclaim squad number, stopped vegetation from growing on ramps/stairs, stopped innate swimmers from gaining swim skill, fixed some material typos, stopped 2 mayors from being present at once, fixed a problem with blood hanging in the air, handled problem with caveins involving stairs and ramps
* 11/09/2007: Fixed scrolling problem on load screen, fixed crash caused by viewing the inventories of additional units, fixed problem with traded armor items not being recognized, fixed problem with moods not getting started, fixed problem with list update on stockpile mode paging, handled some of the problems keeping dwarves stuck on unpathable terrain
* 11/08/2007: Fixed embark crash in cliff areas, fixed crash caused by seed trade valuation, fixed lockup from dry wells, fixed crash from sewing cloth images, handled a reclaim/adv mode crash, added a bit of text to wells, fixed problem with edge construction restriction, eliminated a tantrum lag/freeze problem
* 11/06/2007: Fixed problem with fortress advancement
* 11/01/2007: Fixed a few typos

==Bugfix log for 0.27.169.33a:==
* 10/31/2007: Fixed problem with work quota validations not being saved, fixed various typos, fixed problem with count promotion, made damp stone warning do diagonals, fixed lag from creatures passing each other, fixed problem with smelter metal counts, added fuel notification for smelter, fixed problem with caravan weight calculations involving seeds and animal corpses, fixed problem with walls turning into soil upon being carved into fortifications, tweaked embark warnings, fixed problem with building material temperature checks, fixed problem with cookable raw fish not being recognized once they are brought to the kitchen, handled water table designation on dig, made main layer stones default to unrestricted even if they are economic, fixed problem with blinking designations, automatically freed broker from depot upon merchant departure, added wooden blocks, fixed various forge jobs, fixed problem with creatures not taking fall damage from hitting the bottom of the playable area
* 10/30/2007: Fixed embark screen abort crash bug, got rid of some duplicate entity links, fixed handling of abandoned fortress migrant entry links and corresponding reclaim crash, fixed displayed affiliation of previous settlers, stopped previous settlers from being in ambush, fixed well crash bug, fixed broken smelter jobs, changed how hidden tiles are displayed, fixed accumulated midmap cleaner
* 10/29/2007: Fixed spelling of negotiator

=Current Bugs=
Check the [[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=search&search_forum=6 bay12games forums bug report subforum]] if you find something weird. Please use the search function!

== Large .==

I was minding my own business, trading with some nice human merchants... when all of a sudden I find a very very strange item.

It costs 40# and has a weight of 6r. The weirdest thing is both it's name and description;
Name: <-large ->
Description: This is a well-crafted large .

As you can see, the game tried to create a large something... but whatever it was didn't exist. Just thought you might like to know. [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 10:30, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
:This... is already known and floats around the known bugs list on the dev pages. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 14:06, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Oh alright. Just making sure it isn't just me. By the way, the item in question is a gem. Hope that helps. [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 08:09, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

My Dungeon Master is demanding "item in Throne Room/Office", a similar sort of bug perhaps? I have no idea what sort of item he wants, but man, does he ever want it. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 19:34, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

== Merchant in Adventure Mode ==

(This conversation pretty much sums up the whole issue).
:Flauncy, Swordsman: Let's trade.
:Mispi Emanraji, Merchant: You should probably try a merchant.
>_< --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 10:05, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:Was the aforementioned merchant in his shop? Was he about to leave or did he just enter? If so, "Merchants don't act like merchants unless in their shop." --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 12:47, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::Was it an Elf Merchant? As far as I can tell, only shopkeepers trade, and only in their shops; and elf merchants don't have shops, so. I imagine (though I haven't observed it) that a human merchant who wasn't a shopkeeper would have the same issue. My advice: Grab merchant by throat with right upper arm. Choke merchant by throat with right upper arm. Strangle merchant by throat with right upper arm. Repeat last step as necessary. Problem solved! --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 13:51, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::: I should probably mention, the merchant in question was in the Mayor's house with all the drunks. Still, I would have expected him to say "Oh, I'm not in my merchants house, sorry." or something similar not "You should probably try a merchant". --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:59, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

== Legendary Wagon (I'm serious) ==
In legends mode, I've got about 10 entries that are strange. I will quote one of them;

::::: , ""
was a wagon born in 883.
In the early autumn of 1058, was scuttled in Flowervoiced.

Any idea what this means? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 10:01, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

=Bugs that aren't REALLY bugs=

== Magma Flow ==
Magma will not flow UP stairs. It will flow DOWN them just fine.
Update: Toady mentioned this has to do with magma using the 'chunky' fluid flow, which does not respect pressure.
It will however flow up when pumped until it's at the same z-level as the pump.

== Adventure Mode Tweaking? ==
Is it possible to edit the maps on adventure mode? Some of them are ridiculously populated/large. Also, some of those underground dungeons go on for a very long time and are very twisted and annoying.. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 07:01, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

== Perfect Swimming ==
"Brook" tiles are treated as floor instead of the open space they're supposed to be. Dwarves, animals, even--that's right--wagons can travel over rivers.
(was this fixed on 0.27.169.33a?)
:This isn't a bug. There's just no good way to represent a shallow river with the current depth system. Think of the water tiles below the brook as being an aquifer of sorts. Solid ground, but containing water.--[[User:McFrugal|McFrugal]] 01:37, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
::Current version{{version|0.27.176.38c}}, you can actually drop a cave-in on a brook to see what it really is... a floor tile covering up a cavern full of 7/7 water. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 14:07, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

== Milking Issue ==
"(To milk something it has to be carryable, and the only milkable thing you can carry is a purring maggot)".

Could you not solve this by using the same code you use for the Butcher script? Only this time you keep the animal alive and generate milk, based on the time taken for the worker? [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 11:24, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

== Building Wooden Racks ==
There is a minor problem with building minor wooden racks. Noobs might be confused because in the build menu it says "Construct wooden Weapon" but it doesn't actually mention the word "rack" anywhere in that. It might fool newbies into making tons of them without realising they are only racks, not actual weapons.

Since it's extremely obvious that all the carpenter objects are wooden, I'd prefer it to say "Construct weapon rack" to avoid confusing the newbs. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 04:30, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

:... You haven't ever bothered making the menu 2x size with the Tab key? '''MANY''' menu items are truncated when the menu is only single width. This is probably the reason the 2x menu was implemented by T.O. (to accommodate long task names) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 17:50, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

::As a newbie, I did in fact think, at first, that it was for building weapons, since I'd seen the chart saying wooden weapons did 50% damage. But when it didn't lead to a menu asking what *kind* of weapon (id est, sword, axe, et cetera), I knew something was up and hit {{k|Tab}} a couple times. Give us newbies some credit, we may be inexperienced (windmills, what?) but we're not necessarily oblivious. --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 18:50, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
::I had a similar issue trying to build grates and floor sections out of glass. Until I figured out the {{k|Tab}} key, I'd resort to ordering the construction of a "Clear glass Fl", then look at the Job Screen to see whether it was a Floodgate, a Floor, or whatever :) --[[User:AlexChurchill|AlexChurchill]] 07:24, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

== Split-level River ==
I loaded up a section of my world and found a split-level river- that is, a river that for half of the map is on ground-level and half of the map is one z-level up. This may just seem like a cool thing to most of you, but the upper river has now started flooding out and consuming the entire lower river basin- something that I've been informed shouldn't happen. If someone will give me the address and directions for sending my world / creation log, I can pass it along to the developers for review. --[[User:Lucien|Lucien]] 23:30, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

40d:Known bugs and issues

2008-06-17T10:59:44Z

AlexFili: /* Merchant in Adventure Mode */

==Bugfix log for 0.27.169.33g:==
* 12/21/2007:
** Made human pack animals arrive with trade goods properly
** Fixed problem that caused some entities to not use feature materials properly
** Stopped premature starts on mood construction
** Restricted glass requests for moods
** Fixed problem with constructions and subterranean designations
** Changed order of item types on stocks screen
** Fixed problem with stuck soldiers after [[wrestling]] practice
* 12/20/2007: Updated the bring-to-depot interface
* 12/19/2007:
** Made dead ambushers show up on the unit screen
** Displayed region folder above game type choices
** Added init option for pause on load
** Allowed embark rectangle to be 2x2
** Allowed embark rectangle size to be set in init
** Made cage/chain lists show relevant building picture instead of a C
** Disallowed certain predators from the intro text
** Tweaked stuck-in removal text
** Gave occupied cage items/buildings different name text
** Made contained trade items fill out the container
** Made world generation results independent of custom name
** Fixed problem with glaciers melting on load
* 12/18/2007:
** Changed priorities of idle designations
** Changed vermin/pet names in stocks screen
** Changed leader text in status screen
* 12/17/2007:
** Updated embark race name to support non-dwarves.
** Fixed gem typo on stocks screen.

==Bugfix log for 0.27.169.33f:==
* 12/14/2007: Made items that are thrown or shot in dwarf mode forbidden, sped up freezing water checks, made various types of items capable of destruction by fire, fixed a burn lag issue, fixed problem that made invader AI turn off, stopped full goblin armies from attacking smaller sites, fixed conflict with migrant projectiles and stranded item code
* 12/13/2007: Changed how tree line works, corrected idler count vs. meetings, stopped wells/grates/hatches from being built in walls and other obstacles, sped up region information collector, allowed magma buildings to be built after discovering endgame areas, disable mud/blood spreading, made wagon start in selected biome if possible, stopped elves from being pleased with unethical trades, allowed more item types to hauled to the depot, made caravan items respect thread/cloth information for bags and other items, stopped wagon pullers that are also pack animals from being loaded with trade goods, homogenized pullers of a given wagon, stopped production jobs from using dump/melt designated objects, fixed a possible problem with rot locations, cleaned up some of the eat/get provisions code, made ocean waves drop salt water, made silk more susceptible to fire damage, consolidated some map event code, fixed problem with food item descriptions, fixed food ingredient value calculation
* 12/12/2007: Fixed laced typo, made engravings go away properly upon channel and other dig jobs, handled snow etc. versus construction removal, stopped cancelled smoothing jobs from undesignating tile, stopped dwarves from mining out/removing their own and each other's floor tiles, stopped burned corpses from dropping two skeletons, tweaked dwarf site entrances, made adv mode people talk about surrounding regions again, made adventure mode travel ambushes happen again
* 12/11/2007: Added tile support for appointed dwarves, fixed a few problems with geological layer creation, added gender check for king consort, fixed cliff indicator key, fixed bottom of magma pools, removed pet info from work animals properly, stopped inappropriate ambush messages from being generated by cage traps, fixed improper above ground designations, fixed problem with food storage barrels being brought to restricted piles, made mayor announcement display the proper unit type

==Bugfix log for 0.27.169.33e:==
* 12/08/2007: Fixed problem with meeting queue skipping, fixed problem with noble queue and complaints, fixed problem with moods involving glass and rough gems, cleaned out demands/mandates when a mayor loses re-election, extended account exemption to leader/sheriff, fixed tile for dead trees being chopped down, made lava warm diagonal squares, fixed more fallowing problems, stopped flashing ramp designations from giving away hidden locations, fixed some job issues with the manager screen, added missing woodworker title, removed ambush state for creatures caught in cage traps, fixed typo in art element descriptions
* 12/07/2007: Made veins and other rock types collapse downward properly, added a skeletal flag for certain parts that skeletons would want, stopped siege operators from firing at hidden units, stopped unchained dwarves from using beds in jails, fixed problem with cursor on military screen, stopped mandaters from bringing trade goods to depot, fixed icon for blinking trees with fallen leaves, stopped nobles from caring about the rooms of other dwarves if they don't require that room, resolved recover wounded/justice conflict, added note for deceased criminals, stopped self-punishment in justice, fixed various problems with movement involving chains, fixed problem with currency screen lumping together all metal types, made caravans bring proper animals following trade agreements, fixed problem causing trade animals to have trade flags prematurely removed
* 12/06/2007: Stopped constructions from preserving subterranean status for indoor areas, stopped solidified swamps from starting over volcanoes, added liner to volcano wall, stopped automated buildings from generating jobs if they've been claimed by a mood dwarf, made projectiles respect archery targets and reworked some related code
* 12/05/2007: Fixed abandon crash, handled floor placement for walls constructed below melting liquids, stopped breaks from affecting unrelated body systems, fixed bugs stopping some creatures from attacking others in their square

==Bugfix log for 0.27.169.33d:==
* 11/30/2007: Fixed typo, fixed trap component selection from embark, fixed crash bug on embark item selection screen
* 11/28/2007: Fixed counteroffer crash
* 11/27/2007: Fixed rest/drink infinite loop, got rid of some bucket spam and changed how meal/drink request timer resets, fixed some typos, fixed pathing problem with trigger linking, fixed problem with item list updates in embark screen, fixed problem with soldiers filling waterskins at wells with many water objects
* 11/26/2007: Tweaked depot list sorting

==Bugfix log for 0.27.169.33c:==
* 11/23/2007: Fixed problem with multiple nobles arriving, stopped new entities from using soil for craft material, expanded trade/startup item list
* 11/22/2007: Added categories to item selection in embark
* 11/21/2007: Fixed crash bug from saving while somebody is falling down a chasm, made items drop when a ramp is dug out beneath them, handled some typos, stopped dig designations from persisting on caved-in spaces, stopped soldiers from pilfering food from caravans for their backpacks, allowed units that can't find a bed to rest to take eat/drink jobs, added init option for dwarfort.exe priority, stopped farms from resetting earlier seasons to fallow
* 11/20/2007: Fixed crash bug from equipment check on multi-item holds and some related problems, messed with break code a bit, added some controls on parties
* 11/19/2007: Allowed diplomats and merchants to escape off the edge from deep/high areas, fixed crash bug on abandon, added trained animals to the animal screen, tracked why units are following certain units more closely, stopped children from tagging along after their parents once they grow up, added short distance search for stay inside order

==Bugfix log for 0.27.169.33b:==
* 11/15/2007: Fixed lag caused by creatures wandering in liquid, tweaked pathfinding, fixed lag associated to wilderness creatures
* 11/14/2007: Stopped miasma from escaping coffins, stopped floor removal over constructed walls from leaving empty space, stopped channeling a floor over a constructed wall from leaving empty space, fixed some cases of liquid flows not starting up properly, fixed problem with windows and vision, caused some buildings to block vermin, cleaned residual jobs on site saves, stopped buildings from destroying ramps/stairs, fixed connectivity problem from ramp digging, fixed a problem with constructed stair placement, stopped appointment of leader position, gave threadable stones economic status, fixed a few problems with counter offers
* 11/13/2007: Fixed trap component/anvil metal use issues, stopped live vermin from being eaten all the time, stopped square trampling from removing dig designations, stopped stockpiles from removing liquids on placement
* 11/12/2007: Fixed crash bug from archery training, fixed a problem with wagon pathing, fixed problem with wagon speed, handled problem with 3D projectile targeting, capped reclaim squad number, stopped vegetation from growing on ramps/stairs, stopped innate swimmers from gaining swim skill, fixed some material typos, stopped 2 mayors from being present at once, fixed a problem with blood hanging in the air, handled problem with caveins involving stairs and ramps
* 11/09/2007: Fixed scrolling problem on load screen, fixed crash caused by viewing the inventories of additional units, fixed problem with traded armor items not being recognized, fixed problem with moods not getting started, fixed problem with list update on stockpile mode paging, handled some of the problems keeping dwarves stuck on unpathable terrain
* 11/08/2007: Fixed embark crash in cliff areas, fixed crash caused by seed trade valuation, fixed lockup from dry wells, fixed crash from sewing cloth images, handled a reclaim/adv mode crash, added a bit of text to wells, fixed problem with edge construction restriction, eliminated a tantrum lag/freeze problem
* 11/06/2007: Fixed problem with fortress advancement
* 11/01/2007: Fixed a few typos

==Bugfix log for 0.27.169.33a:==
* 10/31/2007: Fixed problem with work quota validations not being saved, fixed various typos, fixed problem with count promotion, made damp stone warning do diagonals, fixed lag from creatures passing each other, fixed problem with smelter metal counts, added fuel notification for smelter, fixed problem with caravan weight calculations involving seeds and animal corpses, fixed problem with walls turning into soil upon being carved into fortifications, tweaked embark warnings, fixed problem with building material temperature checks, fixed problem with cookable raw fish not being recognized once they are brought to the kitchen, handled water table designation on dig, made main layer stones default to unrestricted even if they are economic, fixed problem with blinking designations, automatically freed broker from depot upon merchant departure, added wooden blocks, fixed various forge jobs, fixed problem with creatures not taking fall damage from hitting the bottom of the playable area
* 10/30/2007: Fixed embark screen abort crash bug, got rid of some duplicate entity links, fixed handling of abandoned fortress migrant entry links and corresponding reclaim crash, fixed displayed affiliation of previous settlers, stopped previous settlers from being in ambush, fixed well crash bug, fixed broken smelter jobs, changed how hidden tiles are displayed, fixed accumulated midmap cleaner
* 10/29/2007: Fixed spelling of negotiator

=Current Bugs=
Check the [[http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=search&search_forum=6 bay12games forums bug report subforum]] if you find something weird. Please use the search function!

== Large .==

I was minding my own business, trading with some nice human merchants... when all of a sudden I find a very very strange item.

It costs 40# and has a weight of 6r. The weirdest thing is both it's name and description;
Name: <-large ->
Description: This is a well-crafted large .

As you can see, the game tried to create a large something... but whatever it was didn't exist. Just thought you might like to know. [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 10:30, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
:This... is already known and floats around the known bugs list on the dev pages. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 14:06, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Oh alright. Just making sure it isn't just me. By the way, the item in question is a gem. Hope that helps. [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 08:09, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

My Dungeon Master is demanding "item in Throne Room/Office", a similar sort of bug perhaps? I have no idea what sort of item he wants, but man, does he ever want it. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 19:34, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

== Merchant in Adventure Mode ==

(This conversation pretty much sums up the whole issue).
:Flauncy, Swordsman: Let's trade.
:Mispi Emanraji, Merchant: You should probably try a merchant.
>_< --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 10:05, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:Was the aforementioned merchant in his shop? Was he about to leave or did he just enter? If so, "Merchants don't act like merchants unless in their shop." --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 12:47, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::Was it an Elf Merchant? As far as I can tell, only shopkeepers trade, and only in their shops; and elf merchants don't have shops, so. I imagine (though I haven't observed it) that a human merchant who wasn't a shopkeeper would have the same issue. My advice: Grab merchant by throat with right upper arm. Choke merchant by throat with right upper arm. Strangle merchant by throat with right upper arm. Repeat last step as necessary. Problem solved! --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 13:51, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::: I should probably mention, the merchant in question was in the Mayor's house with all the drunks. Still, I would have expected him to say "Oh, I'm not in my merchants house, sorry." or something similar not "You should probably try a merchant". --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:59, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

== Legendary Wagon (I'm serious) ==
In legends mode, I've got about 10 entries that are strange. I will quote one of them;

::::: , ""
was a wagon born in 883.
In the early autumn of 1058, was scuttled in Flowervoiced.

Any idea what this means? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 10:01, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

=Bugs that aren't REALLY bugs=

== Magma Flow ==
Magma will not flow UP stairs. It will flow DOWN them just fine.
Update: Toady mentioned this has to do with magma using the 'chunky' fluid flow, which does not respect pressure.
It will however flow up when pumped until it's at the same z-level as the pump.

== Perfect Swimming ==
"Brook" tiles are treated as floor instead of the open space they're supposed to be. Dwarves, animals, even--that's right--wagons can travel over rivers.
(was this fixed on 0.27.169.33a?)
:This isn't a bug. There's just no good way to represent a shallow river with the current depth system. Think of the water tiles below the brook as being an aquifer of sorts. Solid ground, but containing water.--[[User:McFrugal|McFrugal]] 01:37, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
::Current version{{version|0.27.176.38c}}, you can actually drop a cave-in on a brook to see what it really is... a floor tile covering up a cavern full of 7/7 water. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 14:07, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

== Milking Issue ==
"(To milk something it has to be carryable, and the only milkable thing you can carry is a purring maggot)".

Could you not solve this by using the same code you use for the Butcher script? Only this time you keep the animal alive and generate milk, based on the time taken for the worker? [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 11:24, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

== Building Wooden Racks ==
There is a minor problem with building minor wooden racks. Noobs might be confused because in the build menu it says "Construct wooden Weapon" but it doesn't actually mention the word "rack" anywhere in that. It might fool newbies into making tons of them without realising they are only racks, not actual weapons.

Since it's extremely obvious that all the carpenter objects are wooden, I'd prefer it to say "Construct weapon rack" to avoid confusing the newbs. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 04:30, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

:... You haven't ever bothered making the menu 2x size with the Tab key? '''MANY''' menu items are truncated when the menu is only single width. This is probably the reason the 2x menu was implemented by T.O. (to accommodate long task names) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 17:50, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

::As a newbie, I did in fact think, at first, that it was for building weapons, since I'd seen the chart saying wooden weapons did 50% damage. But when it didn't lead to a menu asking what *kind* of weapon (id est, sword, axe, et cetera), I knew something was up and hit {{k|Tab}} a couple times. Give us newbies some credit, we may be inexperienced (windmills, what?) but we're not necessarily oblivious. --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 18:50, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
::I had a similar issue trying to build grates and floor sections out of glass. Until I figured out the {{k|Tab}} key, I'd resort to ordering the construction of a "Clear glass Fl", then look at the Job Screen to see whether it was a Floodgate, a Floor, or whatever :) --[[User:AlexChurchill|AlexChurchill]] 07:24, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

== Split-level River ==
I loaded up a section of my world and found a split-level river- that is, a river that for half of the map is on ground-level and half of the map is one z-level up. This may just seem like a cool thing to most of you, but the upper river has now started flooding out and consuming the entire lower river basin- something that I've been informed shouldn't happen. If someone will give me the address and directions for sending my world / creation log, I can pass it along to the developers for review. --[[User:Lucien|Lucien]] 23:30, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

2008-06-16T12:21:24Z

AlexFili:

Armed with [[crossbow]]s and deal pierce damage from afar. A [[bolt]] does a fine job at piercing the internal organs of a [[creature]] while also doing some damage to outside parts. This is of limited use against creatures without organs, such as [[Magma man|magma men]]. Occasionally a bolt will get stuck in a target; the only known use for this is that a [[wrestling]] dwarf may grab the bolt and twist it in the [[wound]].

A '''marksdwarf''' who is forced into melee will use the [[hammer]] skill to bash enemies with their crossbow.

Immigrating [[Trapper]]s often arrive with a Novice Marksdwarf skill. Immigrating and embarking marksdwarves bring their own crossbows and a limited supply of bolts. 

[[Category:Skills]]
[[Category:Military]]
[[Category:Combat Skills]]
[[Category:Jobs]]

40d Talk:Refuse

2008-06-16T11:25:07Z

AlexFili: /* Refuse Hauling */

==chasm==
Is it possible to use a bottomless chasme as a refuse pit?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 08:22, 8 January 2008 (EST)
:Quite possible, and is the intended use for garbage dump zones, as evidenced by the {{k|o}}->{{k|r}} menu that has "Chasm xxx" as opposed to "Dump xxx" or somesuch. Just don't forget that you can't recover anything that gets tossed in there, (i.e. excess stone that you're simply moving out of the way, as opposed to say rotten food or other 'never useful' items.) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:26, 8 January 2008 (EST)

==Refuse Hauling==
Does anyone have any tips on refuse hauling? I have a refuse pit, quite close to my food stockpile but separated by doors. However, the dwarves will often leave the corpses of vermin lying around my food stockpile, generating [[miasma]] in the food stockpile, when I'd far rather they just cleaned up more quickly. Sometimes it helps to mark the vermin corpses for [[dump]]ing, but I'm not patrolling the food stockpile six times a season to look for corpses! Is there any way to make the dwarves prioritise [[clean]]ing higher? --[[User:AlexChurchill|AlexChurchill]] 05:55, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

You could always give the cleaning labor to some peasants. You could have the entire floor as a retractable bridge, so you could dump all the rubbish below. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 07:25, 16 June 2008 (EDT)