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40d Talk:Dragon

2009-10-05T13:39:48Z

3lB33: /* Disappointment */

== They go through magma ==

a dragon walked through 3 tiles of magma channel and destroyed my fortress

:Considering that vanilla dragons are specifically not immune to magma, I find this hard to believe. As such, I'm removing the comment on the page proper until someone can confirm this. kind of thing. Also, sign your comments.--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 14:52, 26 February 2009 (EST)

== Tameable? ==

Are Dragons tameable in this version? Supposedly they were in the previous version, but I am not sure. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 18:59, 24 November 2007 (EST)

If you see a Hyrda in a fortress, will a Dragon ever appear, or will you forever see Hyrdas going forward? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 18:59, 24 November 2007 (EST)

: Yes, they can be tamed once you get the [[dungeon master]], just like before. --[[User:JT|JT]] 18:43, 24 November 2007 (EST)
:: What about multiple types of megabeasts showing up? Or is it "once a hyrda, always a hydra?"
::: I had both a hydra and bronze colossus show up in the same fort [[User:Coelocanth|Coelocanth]]
::: I had a Dragon, and then 3 months later a hydra show up as well. PS: I edited your comment. --[[User:Gotthard|Gotthard]] 11:08, 10 December 2007 (EST)
::::So far I'm 15 years into my fortress and I've had 3 Bronze Collusi, 2 Hydras, 1 Titan and 1 Dragon. I've tossed them all into a pit which I drop sieging armies into for my amusment... [[User:XRsyst|XRsyst]] 22:55, May 15 2008 (PDT)

== Disappointment ==

I was pretty disappointed with my first Dragon. It came during a goblin siege, and proceeded to make a bee line for them. The first goblin bolt grounded it as unconscious, and the second killed it. Highly anticlimactic, it didn't even singe anything. Would be nice if they were somewhat threatening. --Gotthard 13:50, 3 December 2007 (EST)
:This is not a problem with dragons, it's a recuring problem from ranged weapons. Did you ever try to send champions against a horde of bowmen? They'd die just as easily as recruits... --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 14:30, 3 December 2007 (EST)
::I would say it is somewhat a problem with megabeasts in general, though. Someone actually mentioned this to me in another context the other day, but megabeasts really need to have some special mechanics for them if they're going to be very mega.--[[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 15:01, 3 December 2007 (EST)
::If I read the raws correctly, it just looks like his only attack is a bite (with a good damage of 1-6). Shouldn't he have a tail swipe, or a wing buffet to complement his fire breathing ability? Perhaps an increased resistance to ranged attacks, although armor doesn't seem to do much to piercing damage. Very irritating. --Gotthard 17:21, 3 December 2007 (EST)
:I just saw something similar -- my hunter was out hunting, and came upon a dragon that had just invaded. He seems to have dodged the fire the dragon breathed at him, then knocked it unconscious with a bolt to the heart. The hunter must have agreed that this was anticlimactic, as he then shrugged and went to kill a mountain goat. [[User:Dolohov|Dolohov]] 14:35, 24 August 2008 (EDT)
A dragon raided my village, burning everything above ground. The flames consumed everything. Including the dragon itself. --[[User:Sebbekai|Sebbekai]] 16:31, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
:err... it burned itself to death? Are you sure? Because if you look at the object data for dragons in this article, it has the [FIREIMMUNE_SUPER] tag... --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 22:17, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
::[FIREIMMUNE_SUPER] grants immunity to dragonbreath and the belief that the creature is immune to fire. It does not actually grant an immunity to fire. [FIREIMMUNE] does that. The dragon breathed, ignited grass, and burned upon the fire it started. Sometimes they purposefully hop into lava and become dragon fritters. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 23:43, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
:Yup, my dragon just destroyed itself in it's own firey fury too, unless my recruit kicked it in it's softspot... And the wooden building nearby just become 'warm'. So there we have it.--[[User:Khimaera UK|JK]] 18:17, 7 January 2009 (EST)
Got a dragon and it didn't seem to be able to path past my fortifications. I've had goblin sieges path just fine. Anyway, I sent out three elite wrestlers and they killed the dragon pretty quickly, without even getting bruised. --[[User:Gesangbaer|Gesangbaer]] 19:48, 8 September 2009 (EST)
:Adding my experience of disappointment: I just had a regular swordsdwarf defeat a dragon... I have no idea how he did it. No bolts were involved, my crossbow squad was still practicing at the archery targets at the time. I only lost a mason and a carpenter to the dragon. Very disappointing. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 13:39, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

== Tiny? ==

Dragons can enter dwarf homes? That's a bit odd. A five story tall dragon probably should be a bit taller then the four-or-so foot dwarves. I'd imagine elves have a hard enough time as is. [[User:Minalkra|Minalkra]] 01:20, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
:Uhh.. This is Dwarf Fortress not the North American Scale and Size Convention (NASSC) ...Duh [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 14:03, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

== Burning items ... ==

IMO the easiest way of dealing with fire breath is: Options -> Only military allowed outside.

Setting this ON as soon as the dragon arrives will result in dwarves not doing much (or more precisely cancelling any task that paths them outside), but should also prevent dwarves from picking up burning items (providing you kill the dragon while it's still outside the fortress.)

== They're [FANCIFUL]...? ==

I just noticed the object data for dragons has the [FANCIFUL] tag. I had been led to believe by [[Fanciful|this article]] that this tag was for creatures that were just mythical and didn't actually spawn in the game. But dragons certainly do spawn in the game. Is that article wrong or what? --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 22:26, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

:I think this makes dragons not spawn normally. Instead, they spawn when it's time for a dragon attack. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 22:32, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

::Ah, I just looked at the other megabeasts, and they have the tag too, along with the demons. So that's probably why. The [FANCIFUL] article is still somewhat wrong or misleading though. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 22:36, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
:::I have been led to believe that it is for creatures that everyone knows about, no matter what. Everyone has heard of a dragon, even if only about 50 people have seen one. --[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 20:01, 25 February 2009 (EST)
::::I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that with the megabeasts they have the fanciful tag to *Prevent* them from being spawned after worldgen. As, all megabeasts are spawned at worldgen, not as they come to your fortress.[[User:Shardok|Shardok]] 23:00, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

:As far as I know, [FANCIFUL] creatures can appear in engravings and such even if they haven't appeared, and can be flagged to appear more often in the art of civilizations (as in the humans). --[[User:Chinkeeyong|Chinkeeyong]] 05:04, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

== After being tamed ==

Will the defend themselves if they get attacked? I would love burning the bloody goblins who go after my dwarf families. It seems they won't move much if you let them out of their cages. It would also be fun to have a match with 2 mega beasts against each other.--[[User:Seaneat|Seaneat]] 13:37, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

== Spawning Injured? ==

I was just assaulted by a Dragon. With no legs. (Well... it was missing 2 legs... completely cut off)

It constantly was unconscious (although it did wake up every 5 minutes or so and take a couple steps forward)
I haven't checked up on the legends for that dragon yet, but I can assume it lost those body parts in a battle sometime back. Very... intriguing. Should a note be made about mega-beasts spawning as such?

:This does sound rather interesting. When did Toady Introduce the fact that Megabeasts exist in the world and can be encountered on numerous occasions, given that you haven't killed them yet? And, Can you find mega-beasts in Adventure mode? [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 08:17, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

:As I recall, Megabeasts have their own lives and histories, generated when the map is generated. There is a rotating quote on the front page from Toady about a Titan that had its leg gnawed off by a dwarf and then laid waste to the land for 1000 years or so. So, no, your Dragon didn't start injured. Someone else injured it for you. --[[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 17:09, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

::Hell, even the semi-megabeasts that mayors want you to fight spawn injured. In my most recent adventure, besides successfully killing almost an entire town (I had recruited like 30 marksdwarves. Heh.) I had at least 5 occassions where a semi would constantly fall unconcious from the fact it had missling legs, lungs, arms, etc. [[User:Milskidasith|Milskidasith]] 22:16, 18 November 2008 (EST)

:::I've even seen this happen with civ leaders, I recently had a goblin elite marksman with his whole left leg gone siege me, he of course never advanced because he was always unconscious, but somehow he escaped two times. On the third time I finally got the sucker because he came in right beside my castle. -[[User:Jebraltix|Jebraltix]] 16:46, 18 January 2009 (CST)

== Dragon Footprints ==

From SomethingAwful forums thread #2917631<blockquote>

'''Krinkle posted:'''

holy poo poo! Just as I was getting ready to go home I get a message.

''Berayi Nelarthesa, Dragon, has arrived.''

I saved and took the save with me. Holy crap. I sounded the alarm that nobody but nobody was allowed outside and let loose and he leaves sand where he walks HE LEAVES SAND WHERE HE WALKS.
</blockquote>
Reposted for flavour by --[[User:Jellyfishgreen|Jellyfishgreen]] 07:02, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

:It seems to me that dwarves walking on a layer of sand covered by grass leave sand where they walk, too. This way the stange phenomenon posted above might be explained. --[[User:Doub|Doub]]
::Elves have grasstrample 0. Dwarves have default grasstrample. Giant desert scorpions have grasstrample 10. Alligators have grasstrample 20. Dragons have grasstrample 50. A mess of dwarves milling about your entrance will wear away all the grass eventually. A dragon does it with every step. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 23:43, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

== Trapped! ==

I have built a few hundred cage traps around my fortress. The second a Dragon appeared, I ordered (o) my dwarves to stay indoors and just waited. AWESOME! Caught him in a dumb cage trap. Shucks the kobalts don't get caught in them... (so I put a few stone traps around the exits/entrances).

== Bugged Dragon? ==

I had 3 stonefall traps lining the entrance to my fortress (this was very early in the game). A dragon showed up when I was still getting settled (not even a season into the game) and cheerfully walked right past my traps without setting them off, then torched all of my dwarves. Why didn't it set off the traps? Was it flying over them?--[[User:Aegeus|Aegeus]] 20:17, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

It probably set off the stonefall traps. (you can check, there should be stone on the ground). Dragons just don't get hurt much by them (I had a skeletal dragon run through a line of 8 and come out with some badly bruised bones and a broken (for skeletal, that means totally lost) left claw. [[User:Milskidasith|Milskidasith]] 17:02, 9 November 2008 (EST)
:Depends on random factors, I suppose. When a dragon went after the chained horse surrounded by stonefall traps I keep outside, it was already nauseous by the time my military arrived to finish the job. It can't have gone through more than three traps, more likely two. I don't think I'll d trapfields again, they're just too appallingly effective. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 09:50, 14 January 2009 (EST)

::Given how early this dragon showed up, did you check to see if you had a cave on the map? The dragon probably lives there and came out to investigate who was disturbing his land. There at least used to be a bug that native creatures (start on the map) know where all the traps are - not sure if its still true. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 19:22, 18 January 2009 (EST)

== Dragonfire too weak? ==

Ok, I got a skeletal dragon invading my fortress. He sends dragonfire out at a regular dwarf, and it hits him at the very edge for no damage (the land is scorched, no fire). Dwarf flees, jumps in the river, dies to carp (which rather hilariously start attacking the skeletal dragon, who proceeds to claw one to death until another dwarf walks by. No big deal, the fire barely hit the peasant so it makes sense it didn't hurt him.

I send in a military squad to fight the dragon. My champion (the one *without* my legendary shield, his was -quality- iron) runs to the dragon, gets hit POINT BLANK by dragonfire (which once again kills the plants without setting them on fire) and doesn't even get hurt. Repeat when two swordsdwarves, one who is only a low level shield user, get hit at about a third of the total range. I killed the dragon, but honestly, he didn't light a thing on fire and couldn't hurt the dwarves. It would AT LEAST make sense if the dwarves got light injuries from the fact they are standing on freshly scorched land while it's in the process of being scorched again.[[User:Milskidasith|Milskidasith]] 17:08, 9 November 2008 (EST)

== Still Relevant? ==
Those parts about training not working on murderous dragons, and especially about fire being inexplicably deadly, sound vaguely 2D. Can anyone confirm the training issue still exists? --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 09:50, 14 January 2009 (EST)
:The training quirk is a problem with all tamed animals, not just dragons. [[Fire]] is still outrageously deadly because the dwarven AI doesn't correctly understand being on fire, or why they should not touch things that are on fire. So yes, this is all still relevant. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 11:05, 14 January 2009 (EST)
The section could still do with a rewrite, though, considering that all dragons are named and not just those that have killed dwarves --[[User:Pushy|Pushy]] 10:09, 12 February 2009 (EST)

== Dragonfire and fortifications ==
Question: Will a breath dragonfire go through fortifications? Will it be blocked, or will the dragon be able to 'shoot' through it like marksmen? --[[User:Kami|Kami]] 05:03, 10 February 2009 (EST)

== Dungeon Master ==
I noticed when I tamed a captured dragon that the actual task of taming was performed by a normal animal trainer and not by my Dungeon Master. My Dungeon Master was alive and well at the time but is it possible that megabeast taming doesn't require one after all? --[[User:Paradigmlost|Paradigmlost]] 10:46, 12 February 2009 (EST)
:The DM must be at least on the map. That is the only requirement.--[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 20:05, 25 February 2009 (EST)

== Dragon Fire Cross Z-Plane? ==

Anyone know if Dragons can shoot fire at an angle up or down?
--[[User:Yidda|Yidda]] 14:11, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:Should be possible. It is a projectile. -- [[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 19:29, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

== Dragon on embark ==

In my recent fortress there was a dragon sitting in the valley as I embarked. Surely he was not the average "animal" lurking around, as there also was some digging done (a world-gen outpost then destroyed by the dragon?) and items littered. [[User:Matakuka|Matakuka]] 21:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

:yes, either a cave or abandoned fort.

== Limited Dragons ==

Is it possible for the number of dragons (or megabeasts in particular) to run out, as in there is a certain number of them and once they are all killed/captured, no more will come to your fort?--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 20:50, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

:Quite so. Currently it's "standard" that they are all dead after worldgen already, sadly. Thats why you have the worldgen settings "stop worldgen when megabeast percentage X killed" and "check for megabeast percentage dead first in year X" --[[User:Confused|Confused]] 22:56, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

== Dragons Vulnerable to Dragon-fire ==
In the September 2008 version (***.40?) I've proven (quite tragically) that dragons are not invulnerable to dragon-fire. Yes, it was quite sad actually, you see I had two prized tamed dragons in my goblin gladiator pit and so guess what happened. Yep, you guessed it, dropped the goblin in and the two dragons accidentally fried each other. They were both female dragons, so would you call this a heated cat fight or what?

[[User:Gamli|Gamli]] 00:25, 24 July 2009 (PST)

:Was it the dragonfire that did it, or the fire on the ground as a result of the dragonfire? [[User:Shardok|Shardok]] 23:18, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

==Uninvited Guest==
I found my latest dragon invader in the Unit List as an "Uninvited Guest." Do all mega beasts show up as uninvited guests, or is their status variable? [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 13:29, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Dragon

2009-10-05T13:39:07Z

3lB33: /* Disappointment */

== They go through magma ==

a dragon walked through 3 tiles of magma channel and destroyed my fortress

:Considering that vanilla dragons are specifically not immune to magma, I find this hard to believe. As such, I'm removing the comment on the page proper until someone can confirm this. kind of thing. Also, sign your comments.--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 14:52, 26 February 2009 (EST)

== Tameable? ==

Are Dragons tameable in this version? Supposedly they were in the previous version, but I am not sure. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 18:59, 24 November 2007 (EST)

If you see a Hyrda in a fortress, will a Dragon ever appear, or will you forever see Hyrdas going forward? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 18:59, 24 November 2007 (EST)

: Yes, they can be tamed once you get the [[dungeon master]], just like before. --[[User:JT|JT]] 18:43, 24 November 2007 (EST)
:: What about multiple types of megabeasts showing up? Or is it "once a hyrda, always a hydra?"
::: I had both a hydra and bronze colossus show up in the same fort [[User:Coelocanth|Coelocanth]]
::: I had a Dragon, and then 3 months later a hydra show up as well. PS: I edited your comment. --[[User:Gotthard|Gotthard]] 11:08, 10 December 2007 (EST)
::::So far I'm 15 years into my fortress and I've had 3 Bronze Collusi, 2 Hydras, 1 Titan and 1 Dragon. I've tossed them all into a pit which I drop sieging armies into for my amusment... [[User:XRsyst|XRsyst]] 22:55, May 15 2008 (PDT)

== Disappointment ==

I was pretty disappointed with my first Dragon. It came during a goblin siege, and proceeded to make a bee line for them. The first goblin bolt grounded it as unconscious, and the second killed it. Highly anticlimactic, it didn't even singe anything. Would be nice if they were somewhat threatening. --Gotthard 13:50, 3 December 2007 (EST)
:This is not a problem with dragons, it's a recuring problem from ranged weapons. Did you ever try to send champions against a horde of bowmen? They'd die just as easily as recruits... --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 14:30, 3 December 2007 (EST)
::I would say it is somewhat a problem with megabeasts in general, though. Someone actually mentioned this to me in another context the other day, but megabeasts really need to have some special mechanics for them if they're going to be very mega.--[[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 15:01, 3 December 2007 (EST)
::If I read the raws correctly, it just looks like his only attack is a bite (with a good damage of 1-6). Shouldn't he have a tail swipe, or a wing buffet to complement his fire breathing ability? Perhaps an increased resistance to ranged attacks, although armor doesn't seem to do much to piercing damage. Very irritating. --Gotthard 17:21, 3 December 2007 (EST)
:I just saw something similar -- my hunter was out hunting, and came upon a dragon that had just invaded. He seems to have dodged the fire the dragon breathed at him, then knocked it unconscious with a bolt to the heart. The hunter must have agreed that this was anticlimactic, as he then shrugged and went to kill a mountain goat. [[User:Dolohov|Dolohov]] 14:35, 24 August 2008 (EDT)
A dragon raided my village, burning everything above ground. The flames consumed everything. Including the dragon itself. --[[User:Sebbekai|Sebbekai]] 16:31, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
:err... it burned itself to death? Are you sure? Because if you look at the object data for dragons in this article, it has the [FIREIMMUNE_SUPER] tag... --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 22:17, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
::[FIREIMMUNE_SUPER] grants immunity to dragonbreath and the belief that the creature is immune to fire. It does not actually grant an immunity to fire. [FIREIMMUNE] does that. The dragon breathed, ignited grass, and burned upon the fire it started. Sometimes they purposefully hop into lava and become dragon fritters. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 23:43, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
:Yup, my dragon just destroyed itself in it's own firey fury too, unless my recruit kicked it in it's softspot... And the wooden building nearby just become 'warm'. So there we have it.--[[User:Khimaera UK|JK]] 18:17, 7 January 2009 (EST)
Got a dragon and it didn't seem to be able to path past my fortifications. I've had goblin sieges path just fine. Anyway, I sent out three elite wrestlers and they killed the dragon pretty quickly, without even getting bruised. --[[User:Gesangbaer|Gesangbaer]] 19:48, 8 September 2009 (EST)
Adding my experience of disappointment: I just had a regular swordsdwarf defeat a dragon... I have no idea how he did it. No bolts were involved, my crossbow squad was still practicing at the archery targets at the time. I only lost a mason and a carpenter to the dragon. Very disappointing. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 13:39, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

== Tiny? ==

Dragons can enter dwarf homes? That's a bit odd. A five story tall dragon probably should be a bit taller then the four-or-so foot dwarves. I'd imagine elves have a hard enough time as is. [[User:Minalkra|Minalkra]] 01:20, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
:Uhh.. This is Dwarf Fortress not the North American Scale and Size Convention (NASSC) ...Duh [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 14:03, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

== Burning items ... ==

IMO the easiest way of dealing with fire breath is: Options -> Only military allowed outside.

Setting this ON as soon as the dragon arrives will result in dwarves not doing much (or more precisely cancelling any task that paths them outside), but should also prevent dwarves from picking up burning items (providing you kill the dragon while it's still outside the fortress.)

== They're [FANCIFUL]...? ==

I just noticed the object data for dragons has the [FANCIFUL] tag. I had been led to believe by [[Fanciful|this article]] that this tag was for creatures that were just mythical and didn't actually spawn in the game. But dragons certainly do spawn in the game. Is that article wrong or what? --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 22:26, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

:I think this makes dragons not spawn normally. Instead, they spawn when it's time for a dragon attack. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 22:32, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

::Ah, I just looked at the other megabeasts, and they have the tag too, along with the demons. So that's probably why. The [FANCIFUL] article is still somewhat wrong or misleading though. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 22:36, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
:::I have been led to believe that it is for creatures that everyone knows about, no matter what. Everyone has heard of a dragon, even if only about 50 people have seen one. --[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 20:01, 25 February 2009 (EST)
::::I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that with the megabeasts they have the fanciful tag to *Prevent* them from being spawned after worldgen. As, all megabeasts are spawned at worldgen, not as they come to your fortress.[[User:Shardok|Shardok]] 23:00, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

:As far as I know, [FANCIFUL] creatures can appear in engravings and such even if they haven't appeared, and can be flagged to appear more often in the art of civilizations (as in the humans). --[[User:Chinkeeyong|Chinkeeyong]] 05:04, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

== After being tamed ==

Will the defend themselves if they get attacked? I would love burning the bloody goblins who go after my dwarf families. It seems they won't move much if you let them out of their cages. It would also be fun to have a match with 2 mega beasts against each other.--[[User:Seaneat|Seaneat]] 13:37, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

== Spawning Injured? ==

I was just assaulted by a Dragon. With no legs. (Well... it was missing 2 legs... completely cut off)

It constantly was unconscious (although it did wake up every 5 minutes or so and take a couple steps forward)
I haven't checked up on the legends for that dragon yet, but I can assume it lost those body parts in a battle sometime back. Very... intriguing. Should a note be made about mega-beasts spawning as such?

:This does sound rather interesting. When did Toady Introduce the fact that Megabeasts exist in the world and can be encountered on numerous occasions, given that you haven't killed them yet? And, Can you find mega-beasts in Adventure mode? [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 08:17, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

:As I recall, Megabeasts have their own lives and histories, generated when the map is generated. There is a rotating quote on the front page from Toady about a Titan that had its leg gnawed off by a dwarf and then laid waste to the land for 1000 years or so. So, no, your Dragon didn't start injured. Someone else injured it for you. --[[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 17:09, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

::Hell, even the semi-megabeasts that mayors want you to fight spawn injured. In my most recent adventure, besides successfully killing almost an entire town (I had recruited like 30 marksdwarves. Heh.) I had at least 5 occassions where a semi would constantly fall unconcious from the fact it had missling legs, lungs, arms, etc. [[User:Milskidasith|Milskidasith]] 22:16, 18 November 2008 (EST)

:::I've even seen this happen with civ leaders, I recently had a goblin elite marksman with his whole left leg gone siege me, he of course never advanced because he was always unconscious, but somehow he escaped two times. On the third time I finally got the sucker because he came in right beside my castle. -[[User:Jebraltix|Jebraltix]] 16:46, 18 January 2009 (CST)

== Dragon Footprints ==

From SomethingAwful forums thread #2917631<blockquote>

'''Krinkle posted:'''

holy poo poo! Just as I was getting ready to go home I get a message.

''Berayi Nelarthesa, Dragon, has arrived.''

I saved and took the save with me. Holy crap. I sounded the alarm that nobody but nobody was allowed outside and let loose and he leaves sand where he walks HE LEAVES SAND WHERE HE WALKS.
</blockquote>
Reposted for flavour by --[[User:Jellyfishgreen|Jellyfishgreen]] 07:02, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

:It seems to me that dwarves walking on a layer of sand covered by grass leave sand where they walk, too. This way the stange phenomenon posted above might be explained. --[[User:Doub|Doub]]
::Elves have grasstrample 0. Dwarves have default grasstrample. Giant desert scorpions have grasstrample 10. Alligators have grasstrample 20. Dragons have grasstrample 50. A mess of dwarves milling about your entrance will wear away all the grass eventually. A dragon does it with every step. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 23:43, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

== Trapped! ==

I have built a few hundred cage traps around my fortress. The second a Dragon appeared, I ordered (o) my dwarves to stay indoors and just waited. AWESOME! Caught him in a dumb cage trap. Shucks the kobalts don't get caught in them... (so I put a few stone traps around the exits/entrances).

== Bugged Dragon? ==

I had 3 stonefall traps lining the entrance to my fortress (this was very early in the game). A dragon showed up when I was still getting settled (not even a season into the game) and cheerfully walked right past my traps without setting them off, then torched all of my dwarves. Why didn't it set off the traps? Was it flying over them?--[[User:Aegeus|Aegeus]] 20:17, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

It probably set off the stonefall traps. (you can check, there should be stone on the ground). Dragons just don't get hurt much by them (I had a skeletal dragon run through a line of 8 and come out with some badly bruised bones and a broken (for skeletal, that means totally lost) left claw. [[User:Milskidasith|Milskidasith]] 17:02, 9 November 2008 (EST)
:Depends on random factors, I suppose. When a dragon went after the chained horse surrounded by stonefall traps I keep outside, it was already nauseous by the time my military arrived to finish the job. It can't have gone through more than three traps, more likely two. I don't think I'll d trapfields again, they're just too appallingly effective. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 09:50, 14 January 2009 (EST)

::Given how early this dragon showed up, did you check to see if you had a cave on the map? The dragon probably lives there and came out to investigate who was disturbing his land. There at least used to be a bug that native creatures (start on the map) know where all the traps are - not sure if its still true. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 19:22, 18 January 2009 (EST)

== Dragonfire too weak? ==

Ok, I got a skeletal dragon invading my fortress. He sends dragonfire out at a regular dwarf, and it hits him at the very edge for no damage (the land is scorched, no fire). Dwarf flees, jumps in the river, dies to carp (which rather hilariously start attacking the skeletal dragon, who proceeds to claw one to death until another dwarf walks by. No big deal, the fire barely hit the peasant so it makes sense it didn't hurt him.

I send in a military squad to fight the dragon. My champion (the one *without* my legendary shield, his was -quality- iron) runs to the dragon, gets hit POINT BLANK by dragonfire (which once again kills the plants without setting them on fire) and doesn't even get hurt. Repeat when two swordsdwarves, one who is only a low level shield user, get hit at about a third of the total range. I killed the dragon, but honestly, he didn't light a thing on fire and couldn't hurt the dwarves. It would AT LEAST make sense if the dwarves got light injuries from the fact they are standing on freshly scorched land while it's in the process of being scorched again.[[User:Milskidasith|Milskidasith]] 17:08, 9 November 2008 (EST)

== Still Relevant? ==
Those parts about training not working on murderous dragons, and especially about fire being inexplicably deadly, sound vaguely 2D. Can anyone confirm the training issue still exists? --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 09:50, 14 January 2009 (EST)
:The training quirk is a problem with all tamed animals, not just dragons. [[Fire]] is still outrageously deadly because the dwarven AI doesn't correctly understand being on fire, or why they should not touch things that are on fire. So yes, this is all still relevant. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 11:05, 14 January 2009 (EST)
The section could still do with a rewrite, though, considering that all dragons are named and not just those that have killed dwarves --[[User:Pushy|Pushy]] 10:09, 12 February 2009 (EST)

== Dragonfire and fortifications ==
Question: Will a breath dragonfire go through fortifications? Will it be blocked, or will the dragon be able to 'shoot' through it like marksmen? --[[User:Kami|Kami]] 05:03, 10 February 2009 (EST)

== Dungeon Master ==
I noticed when I tamed a captured dragon that the actual task of taming was performed by a normal animal trainer and not by my Dungeon Master. My Dungeon Master was alive and well at the time but is it possible that megabeast taming doesn't require one after all? --[[User:Paradigmlost|Paradigmlost]] 10:46, 12 February 2009 (EST)
:The DM must be at least on the map. That is the only requirement.--[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 20:05, 25 February 2009 (EST)

== Dragon Fire Cross Z-Plane? ==

Anyone know if Dragons can shoot fire at an angle up or down?
--[[User:Yidda|Yidda]] 14:11, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:Should be possible. It is a projectile. -- [[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 19:29, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

== Dragon on embark ==

In my recent fortress there was a dragon sitting in the valley as I embarked. Surely he was not the average "animal" lurking around, as there also was some digging done (a world-gen outpost then destroyed by the dragon?) and items littered. [[User:Matakuka|Matakuka]] 21:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

:yes, either a cave or abandoned fort.

== Limited Dragons ==

Is it possible for the number of dragons (or megabeasts in particular) to run out, as in there is a certain number of them and once they are all killed/captured, no more will come to your fort?--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 20:50, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

:Quite so. Currently it's "standard" that they are all dead after worldgen already, sadly. Thats why you have the worldgen settings "stop worldgen when megabeast percentage X killed" and "check for megabeast percentage dead first in year X" --[[User:Confused|Confused]] 22:56, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

== Dragons Vulnerable to Dragon-fire ==
In the September 2008 version (***.40?) I've proven (quite tragically) that dragons are not invulnerable to dragon-fire. Yes, it was quite sad actually, you see I had two prized tamed dragons in my goblin gladiator pit and so guess what happened. Yep, you guessed it, dropped the goblin in and the two dragons accidentally fried each other. They were both female dragons, so would you call this a heated cat fight or what?

[[User:Gamli|Gamli]] 00:25, 24 July 2009 (PST)

:Was it the dragonfire that did it, or the fire on the ground as a result of the dragonfire? [[User:Shardok|Shardok]] 23:18, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

==Uninvited Guest==
I found my latest dragon invader in the Unit List as an "Uninvited Guest." Do all mega beasts show up as uninvited guests, or is their status variable? [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 13:29, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Dragon

2009-10-05T13:29:47Z

3lB33: "Uninvited Guest"

== They go through magma ==

a dragon walked through 3 tiles of magma channel and destroyed my fortress

:Considering that vanilla dragons are specifically not immune to magma, I find this hard to believe. As such, I'm removing the comment on the page proper until someone can confirm this. kind of thing. Also, sign your comments.--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 14:52, 26 February 2009 (EST)

== Tameable? ==

Are Dragons tameable in this version? Supposedly they were in the previous version, but I am not sure. [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 18:59, 24 November 2007 (EST)

If you see a Hyrda in a fortress, will a Dragon ever appear, or will you forever see Hyrdas going forward? [[User:KiTA|KiTA]] 18:59, 24 November 2007 (EST)

: Yes, they can be tamed once you get the [[dungeon master]], just like before. --[[User:JT|JT]] 18:43, 24 November 2007 (EST)
:: What about multiple types of megabeasts showing up? Or is it "once a hyrda, always a hydra?"
::: I had both a hydra and bronze colossus show up in the same fort [[User:Coelocanth|Coelocanth]]
::: I had a Dragon, and then 3 months later a hydra show up as well. PS: I edited your comment. --[[User:Gotthard|Gotthard]] 11:08, 10 December 2007 (EST)
::::So far I'm 15 years into my fortress and I've had 3 Bronze Collusi, 2 Hydras, 1 Titan and 1 Dragon. I've tossed them all into a pit which I drop sieging armies into for my amusment... [[User:XRsyst|XRsyst]] 22:55, May 15 2008 (PDT)

== Disappointment ==

I was pretty disappointed with my first Dragon. It came during a goblin siege, and proceeded to make a bee line for them. The first goblin bolt grounded it as unconscious, and the second killed it. Highly anticlimactic, it didn't even singe anything. Would be nice if they were somewhat threatening. --Gotthard 13:50, 3 December 2007 (EST)
:This is not a problem with dragons, it's a recuring problem from ranged weapons. Did you ever try to send champions against a horde of bowmen? They'd die just as easily as recruits... --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 14:30, 3 December 2007 (EST)
::I would say it is somewhat a problem with megabeasts in general, though. Someone actually mentioned this to me in another context the other day, but megabeasts really need to have some special mechanics for them if they're going to be very mega.--[[User:Qalnor|Qalnor]] 15:01, 3 December 2007 (EST)
::If I read the raws correctly, it just looks like his only attack is a bite (with a good damage of 1-6). Shouldn't he have a tail swipe, or a wing buffet to complement his fire breathing ability? Perhaps an increased resistance to ranged attacks, although armor doesn't seem to do much to piercing damage. Very irritating. --Gotthard 17:21, 3 December 2007 (EST)
:I just saw something similar -- my hunter was out hunting, and came upon a dragon that had just invaded. He seems to have dodged the fire the dragon breathed at him, then knocked it unconscious with a bolt to the heart. The hunter must have agreed that this was anticlimactic, as he then shrugged and went to kill a mountain goat. [[User:Dolohov|Dolohov]] 14:35, 24 August 2008 (EDT)
A dragon raided my village, burning everything above ground. The flames consumed everything. Including the dragon itself. --[[User:Sebbekai|Sebbekai]] 16:31, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
:err... it burned itself to death? Are you sure? Because if you look at the object data for dragons in this article, it has the [FIREIMMUNE_SUPER] tag... --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 22:17, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
::[FIREIMMUNE_SUPER] grants immunity to dragonbreath and the belief that the creature is immune to fire. It does not actually grant an immunity to fire. [FIREIMMUNE] does that. The dragon breathed, ignited grass, and burned upon the fire it started. Sometimes they purposefully hop into lava and become dragon fritters. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 23:43, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
:Yup, my dragon just destroyed itself in it's own firey fury too, unless my recruit kicked it in it's softspot... And the wooden building nearby just become 'warm'. So there we have it.--[[User:Khimaera UK|JK]] 18:17, 7 January 2009 (EST)
Got a dragon and it didn't seem to be able to path past my fortifications. I've had goblin sieges path just fine. Anyway, I sent out three elite wrestlers and they killed the dragon pretty quickly, without even getting bruised. --[[User:Gesangbaer|Gesangbaer]] 19:48, 8 September 2009 (EST)

== Tiny? ==

Dragons can enter dwarf homes? That's a bit odd. A five story tall dragon probably should be a bit taller then the four-or-so foot dwarves. I'd imagine elves have a hard enough time as is. [[User:Minalkra|Minalkra]] 01:20, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
:Uhh.. This is Dwarf Fortress not the North American Scale and Size Convention (NASSC) ...Duh [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 14:03, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

== Burning items ... ==

IMO the easiest way of dealing with fire breath is: Options -> Only military allowed outside.

Setting this ON as soon as the dragon arrives will result in dwarves not doing much (or more precisely cancelling any task that paths them outside), but should also prevent dwarves from picking up burning items (providing you kill the dragon while it's still outside the fortress.)

== They're [FANCIFUL]...? ==

I just noticed the object data for dragons has the [FANCIFUL] tag. I had been led to believe by [[Fanciful|this article]] that this tag was for creatures that were just mythical and didn't actually spawn in the game. But dragons certainly do spawn in the game. Is that article wrong or what? --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 22:26, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

:I think this makes dragons not spawn normally. Instead, they spawn when it's time for a dragon attack. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 22:32, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

::Ah, I just looked at the other megabeasts, and they have the tag too, along with the demons. So that's probably why. The [FANCIFUL] article is still somewhat wrong or misleading though. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 22:36, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
:::I have been led to believe that it is for creatures that everyone knows about, no matter what. Everyone has heard of a dragon, even if only about 50 people have seen one. --[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 20:01, 25 February 2009 (EST)
::::I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that with the megabeasts they have the fanciful tag to *Prevent* them from being spawned after worldgen. As, all megabeasts are spawned at worldgen, not as they come to your fortress.[[User:Shardok|Shardok]] 23:00, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

:As far as I know, [FANCIFUL] creatures can appear in engravings and such even if they haven't appeared, and can be flagged to appear more often in the art of civilizations (as in the humans). --[[User:Chinkeeyong|Chinkeeyong]] 05:04, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

== After being tamed ==

Will the defend themselves if they get attacked? I would love burning the bloody goblins who go after my dwarf families. It seems they won't move much if you let them out of their cages. It would also be fun to have a match with 2 mega beasts against each other.--[[User:Seaneat|Seaneat]] 13:37, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

== Spawning Injured? ==

I was just assaulted by a Dragon. With no legs. (Well... it was missing 2 legs... completely cut off)

It constantly was unconscious (although it did wake up every 5 minutes or so and take a couple steps forward)
I haven't checked up on the legends for that dragon yet, but I can assume it lost those body parts in a battle sometime back. Very... intriguing. Should a note be made about mega-beasts spawning as such?

:This does sound rather interesting. When did Toady Introduce the fact that Megabeasts exist in the world and can be encountered on numerous occasions, given that you haven't killed them yet? And, Can you find mega-beasts in Adventure mode? [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 08:17, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

:As I recall, Megabeasts have their own lives and histories, generated when the map is generated. There is a rotating quote on the front page from Toady about a Titan that had its leg gnawed off by a dwarf and then laid waste to the land for 1000 years or so. So, no, your Dragon didn't start injured. Someone else injured it for you. --[[User:Mirthmanor|Mirthmanor]] 17:09, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

::Hell, even the semi-megabeasts that mayors want you to fight spawn injured. In my most recent adventure, besides successfully killing almost an entire town (I had recruited like 30 marksdwarves. Heh.) I had at least 5 occassions where a semi would constantly fall unconcious from the fact it had missling legs, lungs, arms, etc. [[User:Milskidasith|Milskidasith]] 22:16, 18 November 2008 (EST)

:::I've even seen this happen with civ leaders, I recently had a goblin elite marksman with his whole left leg gone siege me, he of course never advanced because he was always unconscious, but somehow he escaped two times. On the third time I finally got the sucker because he came in right beside my castle. -[[User:Jebraltix|Jebraltix]] 16:46, 18 January 2009 (CST)

== Dragon Footprints ==

From SomethingAwful forums thread #2917631<blockquote>

'''Krinkle posted:'''

holy poo poo! Just as I was getting ready to go home I get a message.

''Berayi Nelarthesa, Dragon, has arrived.''

I saved and took the save with me. Holy crap. I sounded the alarm that nobody but nobody was allowed outside and let loose and he leaves sand where he walks HE LEAVES SAND WHERE HE WALKS.
</blockquote>
Reposted for flavour by --[[User:Jellyfishgreen|Jellyfishgreen]] 07:02, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

:It seems to me that dwarves walking on a layer of sand covered by grass leave sand where they walk, too. This way the stange phenomenon posted above might be explained. --[[User:Doub|Doub]]
::Elves have grasstrample 0. Dwarves have default grasstrample. Giant desert scorpions have grasstrample 10. Alligators have grasstrample 20. Dragons have grasstrample 50. A mess of dwarves milling about your entrance will wear away all the grass eventually. A dragon does it with every step. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 23:43, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

== Trapped! ==

I have built a few hundred cage traps around my fortress. The second a Dragon appeared, I ordered (o) my dwarves to stay indoors and just waited. AWESOME! Caught him in a dumb cage trap. Shucks the kobalts don't get caught in them... (so I put a few stone traps around the exits/entrances).

== Bugged Dragon? ==

I had 3 stonefall traps lining the entrance to my fortress (this was very early in the game). A dragon showed up when I was still getting settled (not even a season into the game) and cheerfully walked right past my traps without setting them off, then torched all of my dwarves. Why didn't it set off the traps? Was it flying over them?--[[User:Aegeus|Aegeus]] 20:17, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

It probably set off the stonefall traps. (you can check, there should be stone on the ground). Dragons just don't get hurt much by them (I had a skeletal dragon run through a line of 8 and come out with some badly bruised bones and a broken (for skeletal, that means totally lost) left claw. [[User:Milskidasith|Milskidasith]] 17:02, 9 November 2008 (EST)
:Depends on random factors, I suppose. When a dragon went after the chained horse surrounded by stonefall traps I keep outside, it was already nauseous by the time my military arrived to finish the job. It can't have gone through more than three traps, more likely two. I don't think I'll d trapfields again, they're just too appallingly effective. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 09:50, 14 January 2009 (EST)

::Given how early this dragon showed up, did you check to see if you had a cave on the map? The dragon probably lives there and came out to investigate who was disturbing his land. There at least used to be a bug that native creatures (start on the map) know where all the traps are - not sure if its still true. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 19:22, 18 January 2009 (EST)

== Dragonfire too weak? ==

Ok, I got a skeletal dragon invading my fortress. He sends dragonfire out at a regular dwarf, and it hits him at the very edge for no damage (the land is scorched, no fire). Dwarf flees, jumps in the river, dies to carp (which rather hilariously start attacking the skeletal dragon, who proceeds to claw one to death until another dwarf walks by. No big deal, the fire barely hit the peasant so it makes sense it didn't hurt him.

I send in a military squad to fight the dragon. My champion (the one *without* my legendary shield, his was -quality- iron) runs to the dragon, gets hit POINT BLANK by dragonfire (which once again kills the plants without setting them on fire) and doesn't even get hurt. Repeat when two swordsdwarves, one who is only a low level shield user, get hit at about a third of the total range. I killed the dragon, but honestly, he didn't light a thing on fire and couldn't hurt the dwarves. It would AT LEAST make sense if the dwarves got light injuries from the fact they are standing on freshly scorched land while it's in the process of being scorched again.[[User:Milskidasith|Milskidasith]] 17:08, 9 November 2008 (EST)

== Still Relevant? ==
Those parts about training not working on murderous dragons, and especially about fire being inexplicably deadly, sound vaguely 2D. Can anyone confirm the training issue still exists? --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 09:50, 14 January 2009 (EST)
:The training quirk is a problem with all tamed animals, not just dragons. [[Fire]] is still outrageously deadly because the dwarven AI doesn't correctly understand being on fire, or why they should not touch things that are on fire. So yes, this is all still relevant. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 11:05, 14 January 2009 (EST)
The section could still do with a rewrite, though, considering that all dragons are named and not just those that have killed dwarves --[[User:Pushy|Pushy]] 10:09, 12 February 2009 (EST)

== Dragonfire and fortifications ==
Question: Will a breath dragonfire go through fortifications? Will it be blocked, or will the dragon be able to 'shoot' through it like marksmen? --[[User:Kami|Kami]] 05:03, 10 February 2009 (EST)

== Dungeon Master ==
I noticed when I tamed a captured dragon that the actual task of taming was performed by a normal animal trainer and not by my Dungeon Master. My Dungeon Master was alive and well at the time but is it possible that megabeast taming doesn't require one after all? --[[User:Paradigmlost|Paradigmlost]] 10:46, 12 February 2009 (EST)
:The DM must be at least on the map. That is the only requirement.--[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 20:05, 25 February 2009 (EST)

== Dragon Fire Cross Z-Plane? ==

Anyone know if Dragons can shoot fire at an angle up or down?
--[[User:Yidda|Yidda]] 14:11, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:Should be possible. It is a projectile. -- [[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 19:29, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

== Dragon on embark ==

In my recent fortress there was a dragon sitting in the valley as I embarked. Surely he was not the average "animal" lurking around, as there also was some digging done (a world-gen outpost then destroyed by the dragon?) and items littered. [[User:Matakuka|Matakuka]] 21:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

:yes, either a cave or abandoned fort.

== Limited Dragons ==

Is it possible for the number of dragons (or megabeasts in particular) to run out, as in there is a certain number of them and once they are all killed/captured, no more will come to your fort?--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 20:50, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

:Quite so. Currently it's "standard" that they are all dead after worldgen already, sadly. Thats why you have the worldgen settings "stop worldgen when megabeast percentage X killed" and "check for megabeast percentage dead first in year X" --[[User:Confused|Confused]] 22:56, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

== Dragons Vulnerable to Dragon-fire ==
In the September 2008 version (***.40?) I've proven (quite tragically) that dragons are not invulnerable to dragon-fire. Yes, it was quite sad actually, you see I had two prized tamed dragons in my goblin gladiator pit and so guess what happened. Yep, you guessed it, dropped the goblin in and the two dragons accidentally fried each other. They were both female dragons, so would you call this a heated cat fight or what?

[[User:Gamli|Gamli]] 00:25, 24 July 2009 (PST)

:Was it the dragonfire that did it, or the fire on the ground as a result of the dragonfire? [[User:Shardok|Shardok]] 23:18, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

==Uninvited Guest==
I found my latest dragon invader in the Unit List as an "Uninvited Guest." Do all mega beasts show up as uninvited guests, or is their status variable? [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 13:29, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Refuse stockpile

2009-09-30T01:48:49Z

3lB33: /* Refuse Stockpile vs. Dumping Zone */ Adding to the rant, yay

==Refuse Stockpile vs. Dumping Zone==
What are the advantages of using a refuse stockpile over a [[Zone#Garbage_Dump|dump zone]]? That might not be very clear to new players.--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:55, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:Considering myself a new player, the usefulness/function of a dump zone is not clear to me, yes. For now, after some experimentation, i go with not having a dump zone. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 23:17, 15 February 2008 (EST)
::dump zone lets you drop a lot of whatever on 1 square, such as an entire floors worth of stone. you do, however, have to designate each individual thing to be dumped. refuse stockpile only takes trash, but does so automaticaly -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 03:44, 16 February 2008 (EST)

:::I've finally realized that the refuse stockpile is strictly for keeping items that your dwarfs might like to use for their crafts: corpses for the butcher, skins for leatherworking, bones and shells for crafting. So lately I've separated out the crappy items from the stockpile by designating them for dumping into a {{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Above Ground|#0f0}} dump zone. Now, the only items I keep in my refuse stockpiles are turtle shells (though they aren't worth much, keeping a few are useful for fey moods) and anything with a mod value of more than 1. The Fish bones, goblin/kobold bones -- which used to take up so much space and eventually make it impossible for my dwarfs to keep the fortress clean -- all get designated for dumping to a dump zone now.
:::The only downside to this is that I've been forced to find all the worthless items (such as harpy, goblin, human, or elf bones) in a refuse stockpile by using 'k' and designating them to a dump zone one by one. I've tried to change the settings of the refuse stockpiles to only accept items of [[value]], but the settings are a pain to go through since it lists '''every''' [[creature]] that could possibly be hauled there.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 14:21, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

:No. Not "strictly". (And refuse ''stockpiles'' don't need items to be marked to be "dumped" - your post is confusing.) A refuse stockpile has 3 subsections, 2 of which are almost identical - there are Item Types, and Corpses and Body Parts. Here's how I use them...

:One or more stockpiles for "remains" allow dwarfs w/ Refuse Hauling to automatically "take out the trash" - grab up all those rat and large cockroach remains, anything the cat kills, and any wilted plants - those go into the rubbish heap, either in a miasma-lock or outside. You can have more than one of these.

:A refuse stockpile set to only accept certain corpses and parts are perfect for near butcher shops - at least for those creatures that are butcherable. For non-butcherable creature corpses & parts (not a big list - harpies, goblins, humans, elves), a miasma-proof rotting room near your bone-carver is a great use. Only worry about what's showing up on your map - if you don't have gremlins or ratmen, don't worry about them. (Delete non-bone creatures like slugmen/snailmen/grimelings in both - waste of time collecting them at all.) Add in "bones and skulls" so stuff doesn't get moved - unless your rotting room is distant from your bone carver, or if you have more bones than room in that stockpile - then split them up into a rotting room, and a bone/skull storage area (above ground they'll disappear - your call). Another for raw skins near your tanner is a good plan, but sharing the butcherable corpse locker works well too - they're often worked before they can get hauled.

:A garbage ''zone'' is for specific dumping projects - you have a bunch of economic rock you want moved to near your mason's shop, or it's time to move just your stacks of 5 plump helmets to near your still, items you manually, specifically and selectively mark for "dumping". Typically, ''only one'' garbage zone is {{k|a}}ctive at a time, and then a new one when a different target item needs to be shuffled to that new spot (or the dumped items might end up across the fortress in a different active garbage zone!) If you only have 1 "active" zone at a time, it's not hard to keep track of. And meanwhile the refuse ''stockpiles'' are on auto 24/7.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 19:30, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

::Ok, I tried to clarify my earlier post to make it clearer. I still think ''strictly'' was the right word though. Many newbs will read the starting guides and get the mistaken impression that refuse stockpiles are for unwanted items; while in fact, they are where you want your [[value|valuable]] items nearby to your craft shops. Everything else which has no MODVALUE in the raws should just be designated for dumping so that way it will eventually disappear from the stocks and not overwhelm the refuse stockpiles.

::Fish bones are a great example of this. Usually as my fortress matures, I'll eventually end up with five or six fisherdwarfs hauling in tons of fish which eventually are eaten and result in my refuse stockpiles getting flooded with worthless fish bones (since fish are considered "vermin" their bones have no [[value]].) Since I'd rather my bone carvers use the giant or large creature bones that I found in the nearby chasm, I designate the fish bones for dumping so that way my bonecarvers will only use the valuable bones.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 02:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Look - first, don't edit a discussion - it throws everything that comes after off. If you didn't say what you mean, then just post and correct, not edit. Anyway, "strictly" means "exclusively", as in "no exceptions" - what about "remains"? That is the first use of a refuse stockpile, a place for dwarves to dump rats and roaches. Last I checked, those are not "valuable", and so there goes your "strictly". More examples do not refute this exception. To not use one requires a visual scan for dead vermin, and then they get dumped in whatever current dump zone you have active. Other than that, you're preaching to the choir.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 04:08, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:::: Well, normally I would agree with you that discussions should be edited, but since you've invited the world at large to see our discussion by saying "(For a longer discussion on this, see Talk page: Refuse Stockpile vs. Dumping Zone)" on the main page, I thought that clarification was necessary to avoid confusing the masses that will come here. Anyway, you're right, I concede your point since I forgot that the cats are always moving remains of vermin to stockpiles and not to dumping zones. This does raise a separate question perhaps you can answer that I posted below.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 13:27, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:::::Discussions are not to be back-edited, confusing readers or even misrepresenting answers. Adding is of course always fine. My always too few, quite useful practice bone bolts are offended you call them worthless, btw. --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 19:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::Zactly. I understand 31B's intentions, but this is not an "article", even if it expands on a point touched on therein. This doesn't get updated when a version changes, nor edited for sprelling, nor "corrected" - mistaken points are discussed, or compromises agreed upon, that's the process.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 19:26, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::ok ok fine! Next time I want to clarify a post in a discussion page I use strikethroughs instead. Anyway, what I was trying to say from the very beginning: For a long time I mistakenly thought that the refuse stockpiles were for keeping your fortress clean. So it was only recently I realized a variety of different ways of keeping them from overflowing and thus helping to keep miasma from overwhelming my fortress. I just thought it would be handy to mention that since I'm sure other noobs had the same misconception. I'll leave it up to you guys to fix the main page on this issue if you so please.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 01:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

==Other Stockpile comments/questions==
So uh, how do you make a refuse stockpile? What keys in what order? I can't get it to work and I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or if the Dwarfs are being naughty. (Wow! Thanks...I'm not sure how I missed that. :)

press p then r , then enter to start marking the area, move cursor, press enter again, refuse stockpile appears. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 18:45, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Do Shells and bones create miasma? If I create a custom indoor stockpile for them,do I need the airlock system? Currently I only keep fresh hides in a custom stock pile inside a room that holds the butcher and tanner --[[User:Mey|Mey]] 17:03, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:Shells and bones do not generate miasma when indoors. Decaying matter that generates shells and bones will, of course. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 18:07, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

''following is the discussion from [[refuse]], article has been merged with this one''

==chasm==
Is it possible to use a bottomless chasme as a refuse pit?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 08:22, 8 January 2008 (EST)
:Quite possible, and is the intended use for garbage dump zones, as evidenced by the {{k|o}}->{{k|r}} menu that has "Chasm xxx" as opposed to "Dump xxx" or somesuch. Just don't forget that you can't recover anything that gets tossed in there, (i.e. excess stone that you're simply moving out of the way, as opposed to say rotten food or other 'never useful' items.) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:26, 8 January 2008 (EST)

==Refuse Hauling==

Does anyone have any tips on refuse hauling? I have a refuse pit, quite close to my food stockpile but separated by doors. However, the dwarves will often leave the corpses of vermin lying around my food stockpile, generating [[miasma]] in the food stockpile, when I'd far rather they just cleaned up more quickly. Sometimes it helps to mark the vermin corpses for [[dump]]ing, but I'm not patrolling the food stockpile six times a season to look for corpses! Is there any way to make the dwarves prioritise [[clean]]ing higher? --[[User:AlexChurchill|AlexChurchill]] 05:55, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:You could always give the cleaning labor to some peasants. You could have the entire floor as a retractable bridge, so you could dump all the rubbish below. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 07:25, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::AFAIK, the cleaning labor causes dwarves to clean up mud, blood, and broken bolts. Refuse hauling makes them haul vermin corpses. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 08:55, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:Make a dwarf focus on refuse hauling, if nothing else works. [[User:Tardface|Tardface]] 22:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

==Miasma and Location==
I've been working on a glass fortress and my refuse stockpile is {{DFtext|Inside |#808000}}{{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Above Ground|#0f0}}; I have yet to see it emit miasma once even with a booming meat industry. Perhaps it isn't the Inside/Outside flag but the Light/Dark flag that determines if miasma is emitted? Could also be the Above Ground/Subterranean flag, doesn't matter which as you'll never get {{DFtext|Inside |#808000}}{{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Subterranean|#808080}}. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 12:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:Perhaps, but if that's the case, you might also be losing bones and any other refuse in there to the Seasonal Cleanup process. -[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:48, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::I was going to mention disappearing bones (butchered 23 camels but only a single stack of [10] Camel Bones in stockpile, no bonecarving done yet) but the roof over the stockpile that accepts shells/bones/skulls wasn't exactly finished at the time, so I'm waiting a few years of game time and keeping track of my stocks. EDIT: Over the course of 3 months my skull stockpile dwindled down from 16 to 6 and bones from 87 to 55. And unless a stack of turtle will only produced a single shell when eaten, I'm either losing a lot of shells or my food is affected too or both. Had 276 turtles in Spring 207, now down to 184 and only 16 shells in stockpile, Winter 208. I double checked and cooking is disabled for turtles. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 23:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Refuse vs Refuse Stockpile==
I just noticed that we have a Refuse article and a [[Refuse stockpile]] article both about refuse stockpiles. They were pretty much the same before I edited this one (didn't realize there was a Refuse Stockpile article). Should the refuse stockpile article be removed? None of the other [[Stockpile|stockpiles]] listed have their own article (currently links to Refuse stockpile), rather linking to information about the items instead. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 00:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'd ''combine'' them into this one (ensuring that no detail/insight is lost), and make that one a simple redirect. Also copy/paste that "discussion" page here onto this one, into its own section ("Copied from [[refuse stockpile]]") w/ subsections. That's also a good place to make a simple comment that you combined the two, under that main heading, w/ your reasons why ("redundancy" jumps to mind.)''Italic text''

== Exploit ==

Re:[[User talk:Birthright]]
::::Your argument is based on the premise that the predictions of future changes are generally accurate. I'm not willing to accept that assumption. I think the guesses are wrong at least as often as they are right.
::::Also, I don't see how assorted change guesses scattered throughout the wiki will do anything to prepare a newbie when a new version comes around. If you think this is a serious problem, we would be better off consolidating known changes into some sort of release notes page when a new version rolls out.
::::Ad hoc mixing of fact and opinion in the same article is poor style, so I think you are correct (even if you didn't intend it that way) that other exploit comments in articles should be removed. They could be replaced with a "see also: [[exploits]]" link at the bottom of the relevant section. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 13:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== Seasonal Cleanup ==
In response to the [http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Refuse_stockpile&oldid=41281267 last revision], in my experience items disappear after an amount of time and do not wait for season changes. Don't have any proof that the time needed for each item is the same, randomized, or dependent on the creature it came from and if its a skull/bone/shell. Perhaps someone wants to setup a bone, skull, and shell stockpile outside and watch it, counting the days? If I get some time today I'll go ahead and test it. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 21:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:I'll try to do this test this afternoon since it seems like [[User:Elvang|Elvang]] hasn't followed up on this recently.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
:I haven't forgotten this, it's just a tad bit tedious to do, so I haven't gotten around to it yet... (Maybe that's why Elvang never came back...) [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 14:05, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I think the term "cleanup" is misleading because it implies that a dwarf with the [[Cleaning]] labor is going to do something. Would "disappear" or "disapperate" or even "delete" work instead? The items basically are rotting away into dust, and completely disappear from the stocks—which is certainly useful to know when you've got a gazillion hoary marmot bones lying about in your refuse stocks and need to make room for those really [[Creature|valuable]] dragon bones. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

== Cats and Vermin Storage ==

What happens to vermin remains? Once a cat stores the remains in the stockpile, I can't even find it anymore. Does it disappear immediately or am I missing something? Can anything be crafted with vermin remains?[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 13:27, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:On a refuse stockpile or off, it rots. If that's outside, no miasma signals this, so it just "disappears" at some point, same as bones and skulls would (only faster). If your refuse stockpile is inside (or if you dumped" it to a garbage zone), miasma city, same as if it had never been moved. Remains have no use but to stink up the place (tho' that would be an interesting challenge for a mod').--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 19:22, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== expanded discussion ==

:''(For a longer discussion on this, see [[Talk:Refuse stockpile#Refuse Stockpile vs. Dump|Talk page: Refuse Stockpile vs. Dumping Zone]])''

honestly, more headache than insight gain there - add content to the article instead
The "headache" part is why it should not be on the main page - it's a (muddled) discussion point, not something central to the article (which is a bit long already). The material is covered there - the conclusions drawn are largely player preference. So, the above discussion is only for those who'' want'' a "longer" discussion, a point by point "how to" (which many won't, but some will) - but since it's there, might as well point to it, neh?--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 19:42, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Crossbow

2009-09-29T13:42:11Z

3lB33: Question about quality

== Training with Crossbows, Wooden/Bone Bolts more than preferred ==

Dwarves will automatically use only wooden or bone bolts, you needn't worry about metal bolts being wasted on practice.

Based on classic DF, bone or wooden bolts will indeed be used to fight if the dwarf doesn't have anything else though, and they sometimes would just coincidentally have a handful of "practice" bolts when they went out to battle thus having a useful backup. Especially nice when they're very highly skilled and 35-45 bolts isn't enough to last the duration of a fight!

== Out of ammo ==

Is it worth noting (on this page) that dwarves will use the hammer skill to bludgeon with their crossbow if they run out of ammo? --[[User:Matryx|Matryx]] 09:22, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:I think it is, if only to warn that if they run out of bolts while they're fighting something, they won't immediately run back to the stockpile to get more. --[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 09:26, 5 November 2007 (EST)

::What triggers them to resupply? They seem to stand around after finishing off their bolts. Do I need to stand them down to trigger the resupply? --[[User:Aristoi|Aristoi]] 19:24, 22 January 2009 (EST)
:::The trigger is setting their military preferences, from the squad menu. I think. Squad chases opponents, I think is the one that needs to be changed. If it is set to chase, they will '''NOT''' reload. --[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 20:59, 25 February 2009 (EST)

==Xbow material==
Do someone know if your crossbow hit harder, or do more damage, when it's made of metal rather than wood or bone in the same way a melee weapon would? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 02:42, 28 November 2007 (EST)
:When it is used in melee - crossbow material is important as all other melee weapons. In ranged only material and quality of the bolt affect it's damage potential. Crossbow's quality level is directly added to the soldier's effective marksdwarf skill increasing his accuracy and rate of fire.--[[User:Another|Another]] 13:11, 9 December 2007 (EST)

== training ===

Does say, hunting with a crossbow increase marksdwarf skill?
—Preceding [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Shadow archmagi|Shadow archmagi]] ([[User talk:Shadow archmagi|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Shadow archmagi|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}
: Yes it does. Unfortunately it will also increase hammerdwarf skill ;) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 23:53, 27 February 2008 (EST)
: Interestingly enough, the converse isn't true- target practice at the archery range has had no effect on my hunter's ambushing skill. Article update? [[User:LucienSadi|LucienSadi]] 05:45, 11 December 2008 (EST)
::Well, it's to be expected - ambushing is sneaking, marksdwarf is shooting...hunting does both, practice at the range only the latter --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 23:40, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:::"Hunting" with a crossbow doesn't train any weapon - ''hitting and killing things'' with that weapon does. Don't confuse "hunting" with "using a weapon" - the latter is needed at some point, but they are two different processes. Hunting (ambusher) gets the dwarf close without spooking the animal - the weapon is then used for the kill. (Why would anyone practice sneaking close to a target on an achery range?)--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 20:34, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== dual wielding ==

I set one of my marksdwarves to wield 2 crossbows, and he's currently holding them both in the same hand. Can he use them both like this or does it mean he'll just going to be using one of them? --[[User:Tachyon|Tachyon]] 18:18, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

:Late as hell, but for the record no dwarves truly dual wield in DF. When they carry 2 weapons, it's just in case they lose one in an enemy or it shatters in the middle of a fight. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 14:59, 3 November 2008 (EST)

::Shatter? Wow, I've never seen that.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 15:20, 3 November 2008 (EST)

==Two-handed?==
Are crossbows two-handed when used at range? You'd think they'd be two-handed for re-loading, and one-handed (at the very least, two hands are more accurate) for firing, but I don't know if DF supports this.[[User:StrawberryBunny|StrawberryBunny]] 10:34, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

On a more important issue; will a Dwarf be capable of carrying a shield while using a crossbow in case he was forced into melee? Would he only equip the shield up close? How would it affect his ability to carry bolts in his off-hand?
: I set a team of marksdwarfmen to use crossbows and bucklers at the same time, once. Despite an assortment of available bucklers, no Dwarf ever picked one up to use with his crossbow. My guess is that Dwarfs can not ever utilize their second hand without releasing the buckler, and can't store the buckler anywhere else on themselves. --[[User:FJH|FJH]] 01:13, 27 February 2009 (EST)
:: I have two marksdwarves that practice at the range with their crossbows in their left hands and copper shields in their right hands. <s>I cannot get them to pick up quivers however. Did the above-mentioned dwarves have them equipped?</s> [[User:Michaelmuffin|Michaelmuffin]] 00:02, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Toady has stated that currently (40d) the two-handed code is broken as intended. Where that leaves us is anyone's guess. But what "you'd think" or what "would only make sense" is right out the window. I do know that marksdwarfs use bucklers, not shields, when they do at all.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 04:59, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Are you making a distinction between using and holding? My marksdwarves' inventories list "(Iron crossbow), Left hand" and "-Copper shield-, Right hand" at all times, including while firing bolts. [[User:Michaelmuffin|Michaelmuffin]] 18:43, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

== Z-levels and Range ==

How does firing up or down affect the range of a marksdwarf? [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 17:15, 10 November 2008 (EST)

:From what I've seen, marksdwarves can shoot up or down with little problem. The range of a marksdwarf is pretty finite anyway, something like 20 squares.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 17:36, 10 November 2008 (EST)

::The range of a bolt is longer - maybe 30 tiles or more - but a dwarf doesn't open fire until 20 tiles. It might hit something further out by accident. Changes in z-level actually seems to hurt range, either way - firing from a higher elevation hurts range slightly.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 20:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

==Bolts==
Do bolts even have a quality rating, and if so does it affect damage? --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 00:12, 22 November 2008 (EST)

They do have a quality rating. It's hard to tell for the other question, but it should. Ammo is treated like weapons in most other respects. --[[User:Navian|Navian]] 00:55, 22 November 2008 (EST)

:To me, it's grades of ammo- no-quality is pretty much wooden chopsticks, masterwork is fluted and grooved with slight serrations at the tip for maximum pain... --[[User:LucienSadi|LucienSadi]] 19:55, 11 December 2008 (EST)

I just had to shout somewhere that I can't wait for re-stacking to be implemented, or the quiver fixed as a container, so I never again have to worry about a dwarf charging into combat with a single reclaimed bolt rattling alone in his quiver. --[[User:Jellyfishgreen|Jellyfishgreen]] 11:37, 13 February 2009 (EST)
:Do you have any recommendations on what to do with single crossbow bolts so they don't litter the landscape and so that the Dwarves don't kill themselves because they can't count and strategize on the same hand? --[[User:FJH|FJH]] 16:12, 20 February 2009 (EST)
::One word: [[Dwarven_Atom_Smasher]] --[[User:Myroc|Myroc]] 16:19, 20 February 2009 (EST)
::I mark them for melting. Sure, you don't get much metal from them, but at least they are gone! Others here have recommended using them with traps, but my <s>dorks</s> dwarfs always load the large stacks!--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 12:48, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Dont hunt. That keeps littered bolts closer to your fortress (only military). Trade them away. A steel bolt isnt even that cheap. I mark them all for dump (from the stocks screen), when caravan shows go on break, unforbid, mark in depot for trade. play on. done. Of course you can leave them just as well in the dump, but i like a nice clean bolts roster :) --[[User:Birthright|Birthright]] 00:46, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

== Experience gained from making bolts ==

Forging a weapon gives 30 xp.
How much xp is gained by making bolts? (wood, bone, metal)
This answer should be found immediately as the future of dwarven kind depends upon it!--[[User:Jpwrunyan|Jpwrunyan]] 20:18, 25 February 2009 (EST)
:I am intrigued as to how we know that forging a weapon gives 30 xp?--[[User:Mrdudeguy|Mrdudeguy]] 08:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Because we know that to go from one level to the next is 100 xp x the lower level, and it takes 17 (+510) to go from No Skill to Novice, another 20 (+600) to go from Novice to -no label-, and so on. Possibly also from the code, don't know about that. But it's been confirmed several times.
:: If Jprwrunyanqwertyuiop really cared, it'd be trivial to run an experiment and find out. --[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 11:07, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It gives the same amount of experience.--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 19:35, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
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==XBow Quality==
I'm confused about this line from the main page: "The quality of a crossbow is added to the marksdwarf/ambusher and hammerdwarf skills." Does that mean that higher quality xbows result in better accuracy? [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 13:42, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Refuse stockpile

2009-09-29T13:27:38Z

3lB33: Whoops, forgot to sign

==Refuse Stockpile vs. Dumping Zone==
What are the advantages of using a refuse stockpile over a [[Zone#Garbage_Dump|dump zone]]? That might not be very clear to new players.--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:55, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:Considering myself a new player, the usefulness/function of a dump zone is not clear to me, yes. For now, after some experimentation, i go with not having a dump zone. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 23:17, 15 February 2008 (EST)
::dump zone lets you drop a lot of whatever on 1 square, such as an entire floors worth of stone. you do, however, have to designate each individual thing to be dumped. refuse stockpile only takes trash, but does so automaticaly -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 03:44, 16 February 2008 (EST)

:::I've finally realized that the refuse stockpile is strictly for keeping items that your dwarfs might like to use for their crafts: corpses for the butcher, skins for leatherworking, bones and shells for crafting. So lately I've separated out the crappy items from the stockpile by designating them for dumping into a {{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Above Ground|#0f0}} dump zone. Now, the only items I keep in my refuse stockpiles are turtle shells (though they aren't worth much, keeping a few are useful for fey moods) and anything with a mod value of more than 1. The Fish bones, goblin/kobold bones -- which used to take up so much space and eventually make it impossible for my dwarfs to keep the fortress clean -- all get designated for dumping to a dump zone now.
:::The only downside to this is that I've been forced to find all the worthless items (such as harpy, goblin, human, or elf bones) in a refuse stockpile by using 'k' and designating them to a dump zone one by one. I've tried to change the settings of the refuse stockpiles to only accept items of [[value]], but the settings are a pain to go through since it lists '''every''' [[creature]] that could possibly be hauled there.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 14:21, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

:No. Not "strictly". (And refuse ''stockpiles'' don't need items to be marked to be "dumped" - your post is confusing.) A refuse stockpile has 3 subsections, 2 of which are almost identical - there are Item Types, and Corpses and Body Parts. Here's how I use them...

:One or more stockpiles for "remains" allow dwarfs w/ Refuse Hauling to automatically "take out the trash" - grab up all those rat and large cockroach remains, anything the cat kills, and any wilted plants - those go into the rubbish heap, either in a miasma-lock or outside. You can have more than one of these.

:A refuse stockpile set to only accept certain corpses and parts are perfect for near butcher shops - at least for those creatures that are butcherable. For non-butcherable creature corpses & parts (not a big list - harpies, goblins, humans, elves), a miasma-proof rotting room near your bone-carver is a great use. Only worry about what's showing up on your map - if you don't have gremlins or ratmen, don't worry about them. (Delete non-bone creatures like slugmen/snailmen/grimelings in both - waste of time collecting them at all.) Add in "bones and skulls" so stuff doesn't get moved - unless your rotting room is distant from your bone carver, or if you have more bones than room in that stockpile - then split them up into a rotting room, and a bone/skull storage area (above ground they'll disappear - your call). Another for raw skins near your tanner is a good plan, but sharing the butcherable corpse locker works well too - they're often worked before they can get hauled.

:A garbage ''zone'' is for specific dumping projects - you have a bunch of economic rock you want moved to near your mason's shop, or it's time to move just your stacks of 5 plump helmets to near your still, items you manually, specifically and selectively mark for "dumping". Typically, ''only one'' garbage zone is {{k|a}}ctive at a time, and then a new one when a different target item needs to be shuffled to that new spot (or the dumped items might end up across the fortress in a different active garbage zone!) If you only have 1 "active" zone at a time, it's not hard to keep track of. And meanwhile the refuse ''stockpiles'' are on auto 24/7.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 19:30, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

::Ok, I tried to clarify my earlier post to make it clearer. I still think ''strictly'' was the right word though. Many newbs will read the starting guides and get the mistaken impression that refuse stockpiles are for unwanted items; while in fact, they are where you want your [[value|valuable]] items nearby to your craft shops. Everything else which has no MODVALUE in the raws should just be designated for dumping so that way it will eventually disappear from the stocks and not overwhelm the refuse stockpiles.

::Fish bones are a great example of this. Usually as my fortress matures, I'll eventually end up with five or six fisherdwarfs hauling in tons of fish which eventually are eaten and result in my refuse stockpiles getting flooded with worthless fish bones (since fish are considered "vermin" their bones have no [[value]].) Since I'd rather my bone carvers use the giant or large creature bones that I found in the nearby chasm, I designate the fish bones for dumping so that way my bonecarvers will only use the valuable bones.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 02:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Look - first, don't edit a discussion - it throws everything that comes after off. If you didn't say what you mean, then just post and correct, not edit. Anyway, "strictly" means "exclusively", as in "no exceptions" - what about "remains"? That is the first use of a refuse stockpile, a place for dwarves to dump rats and roaches. Last I checked, those are not "valuable", and so there goes your "strictly". More examples do not refute this exception. To not use one requires a visual scan for dead vermin, and then they get dumped in whatever current dump zone you have active. Other than that, you're preaching to the choir.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 04:08, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:::: Well, normally I would agree with you that discussions should be edited, but since you've invited the world at large to see our discussion by saying "(For a longer discussion on this, see Talk page: Refuse Stockpile vs. Dumping Zone)" on the main page, I thought that clarification was necessary to avoid confusing the masses that will come here. Anyway, you're right, I concede your point since I forgot that the cats are always moving remains of vermin to stockpiles and not to dumping zones. This does raise a separate question perhaps you can answer that I posted below.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 13:27, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

==Other Stockpile comments/questions==
So uh, how do you make a refuse stockpile? What keys in what order? I can't get it to work and I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or if the Dwarfs are being naughty. (Wow! Thanks...I'm not sure how I missed that. :)

press p then r , then enter to start marking the area, move cursor, press enter again, refuse stockpile appears. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 18:45, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Do Shells and bones create miasma? If I create a custom indoor stockpile for them,do I need the airlock system? Currently I only keep fresh hides in a custom stock pile inside a room that holds the butcher and tanner --[[User:Mey|Mey]] 17:03, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:Shells and bones do not generate miasma when indoors. Decaying matter that generates shells and bones will, of course. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 18:07, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

''following is the discussion from [[refuse]], article has been merged with this one''

==chasm==
Is it possible to use a bottomless chasme as a refuse pit?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 08:22, 8 January 2008 (EST)
:Quite possible, and is the intended use for garbage dump zones, as evidenced by the {{k|o}}->{{k|r}} menu that has "Chasm xxx" as opposed to "Dump xxx" or somesuch. Just don't forget that you can't recover anything that gets tossed in there, (i.e. excess stone that you're simply moving out of the way, as opposed to say rotten food or other 'never useful' items.) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:26, 8 January 2008 (EST)

==Refuse Hauling==

Does anyone have any tips on refuse hauling? I have a refuse pit, quite close to my food stockpile but separated by doors. However, the dwarves will often leave the corpses of vermin lying around my food stockpile, generating [[miasma]] in the food stockpile, when I'd far rather they just cleaned up more quickly. Sometimes it helps to mark the vermin corpses for [[dump]]ing, but I'm not patrolling the food stockpile six times a season to look for corpses! Is there any way to make the dwarves prioritise [[clean]]ing higher? --[[User:AlexChurchill|AlexChurchill]] 05:55, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:You could always give the cleaning labor to some peasants. You could have the entire floor as a retractable bridge, so you could dump all the rubbish below. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 07:25, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::AFAIK, the cleaning labor causes dwarves to clean up mud, blood, and broken bolts. Refuse hauling makes them haul vermin corpses. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 08:55, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:Make a dwarf focus on refuse hauling, if nothing else works. [[User:Tardface|Tardface]] 22:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

==Miasma and Location==
I've been working on a glass fortress and my refuse stockpile is {{DFtext|Inside |#808000}}{{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Above Ground|#0f0}}; I have yet to see it emit miasma once even with a booming meat industry. Perhaps it isn't the Inside/Outside flag but the Light/Dark flag that determines if miasma is emitted? Could also be the Above Ground/Subterranean flag, doesn't matter which as you'll never get {{DFtext|Inside |#808000}}{{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Subterranean|#808080}}. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 12:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:Perhaps, but if that's the case, you might also be losing bones and any other refuse in there to the Seasonal Cleanup process. -[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:48, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::I was going to mention disappearing bones (butchered 23 camels but only a single stack of [10] Camel Bones in stockpile, no bonecarving done yet) but the roof over the stockpile that accepts shells/bones/skulls wasn't exactly finished at the time, so I'm waiting a few years of game time and keeping track of my stocks. EDIT: Over the course of 3 months my skull stockpile dwindled down from 16 to 6 and bones from 87 to 55. And unless a stack of turtle will only produced a single shell when eaten, I'm either losing a lot of shells or my food is affected too or both. Had 276 turtles in Spring 207, now down to 184 and only 16 shells in stockpile, Winter 208. I double checked and cooking is disabled for turtles. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 23:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Refuse vs Refuse Stockpile==
I just noticed that we have a Refuse article and a [[Refuse stockpile]] article both about refuse stockpiles. They were pretty much the same before I edited this one (didn't realize there was a Refuse Stockpile article). Should the refuse stockpile article be removed? None of the other [[Stockpile|stockpiles]] listed have their own article (currently links to Refuse stockpile), rather linking to information about the items instead. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 00:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'd ''combine'' them into this one (ensuring that no detail/insight is lost), and make that one a simple redirect. Also copy/paste that "discussion" page here onto this one, into its own section ("Copied from [[refuse stockpile]]") w/ subsections. That's also a good place to make a simple comment that you combined the two, under that main heading, w/ your reasons why ("redundancy" jumps to mind.)''Italic text''

== Exploit ==

Re:[[User talk:Birthright]]
::::Your argument is based on the premise that the predictions of future changes are generally accurate. I'm not willing to accept that assumption. I think the guesses are wrong at least as often as they are right.
::::Also, I don't see how assorted change guesses scattered throughout the wiki will do anything to prepare a newbie when a new version comes around. If you think this is a serious problem, we would be better off consolidating known changes into some sort of release notes page when a new version rolls out.
::::Ad hoc mixing of fact and opinion in the same article is poor style, so I think you are correct (even if you didn't intend it that way) that other exploit comments in articles should be removed. They could be replaced with a "see also: [[exploits]]" link at the bottom of the relevant section. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 13:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== Seasonal Cleanup ==
In response to the [http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Refuse_stockpile&oldid=41281267 last revision], in my experience items disappear after an amount of time and do not wait for season changes. Don't have any proof that the time needed for each item is the same, randomized, or dependent on the creature it came from and if its a skull/bone/shell. Perhaps someone wants to setup a bone, skull, and shell stockpile outside and watch it, counting the days? If I get some time today I'll go ahead and test it. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 21:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:I'll try to do this test this afternoon since it seems like [[User:Elvang|Elvang]] hasn't followed up on this recently.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
:I haven't forgotten this, it's just a tad bit tedious to do, so I haven't gotten around to it yet... (Maybe that's why Elvang never came back...) [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 14:05, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I think the term "cleanup" is misleading because it implies that a dwarf with the [[Cleaning]] labor is going to do something. Would "disappear" or "disapperate" or even "delete" work instead? The items basically are rotting away into dust, and completely disappear from the stocks—which is certainly useful to know when you've got a gazillion hoary marmot bones lying about in your refuse stocks and need to make room for those really [[Creature|valuable]] dragon bones. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

== Cats and Vermin Storage ==

What happens to vermin remains? Once a cat stores the remains in the stockpile, I can't even find it anymore. Does it disappear immediately or am I missing something? Can anything be crafted with vermin remains?[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 13:27, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Refuse stockpile

2009-09-29T13:26:11Z

3lB33:

==Refuse Stockpile vs. Dumping Zone==
What are the advantages of using a refuse stockpile over a [[Zone#Garbage_Dump|dump zone]]? That might not be very clear to new players.--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:55, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:Considering myself a new player, the usefulness/function of a dump zone is not clear to me, yes. For now, after some experimentation, i go with not having a dump zone. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 23:17, 15 February 2008 (EST)
::dump zone lets you drop a lot of whatever on 1 square, such as an entire floors worth of stone. you do, however, have to designate each individual thing to be dumped. refuse stockpile only takes trash, but does so automaticaly -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 03:44, 16 February 2008 (EST)

:::I've finally realized that the refuse stockpile is strictly for keeping items that your dwarfs might like to use for their crafts: corpses for the butcher, skins for leatherworking, bones and shells for crafting. So lately I've separated out the crappy items from the stockpile by designating them for dumping into a {{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Above Ground|#0f0}} dump zone. Now, the only items I keep in my refuse stockpiles are turtle shells (though they aren't worth much, keeping a few are useful for fey moods) and anything with a mod value of more than 1. The Fish bones, goblin/kobold bones -- which used to take up so much space and eventually make it impossible for my dwarfs to keep the fortress clean -- all get designated for dumping to a dump zone now.
:::The only downside to this is that I've been forced to find all the worthless items (such as harpy, goblin, human, or elf bones) in a refuse stockpile by using 'k' and designating them to a dump zone one by one. I've tried to change the settings of the refuse stockpiles to only accept items of [[value]], but the settings are a pain to go through since it lists '''every''' [[creature]] that could possibly be hauled there.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 14:21, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

:No. Not "strictly". (And refuse ''stockpiles'' don't need items to be marked to be "dumped" - your post is confusing.) A refuse stockpile has 3 subsections, 2 of which are almost identical - there are Item Types, and Corpses and Body Parts. Here's how I use them...

:One or more stockpiles for "remains" allow dwarfs w/ Refuse Hauling to automatically "take out the trash" - grab up all those rat and large cockroach remains, anything the cat kills, and any wilted plants - those go into the rubbish heap, either in a miasma-lock or outside. You can have more than one of these.

:A refuse stockpile set to only accept certain corpses and parts are perfect for near butcher shops - at least for those creatures that are butcherable. For non-butcherable creature corpses & parts (not a big list - harpies, goblins, humans, elves), a miasma-proof rotting room near your bone-carver is a great use. Only worry about what's showing up on your map - if you don't have gremlins or ratmen, don't worry about them. (Delete non-bone creatures like slugmen/snailmen/grimelings in both - waste of time collecting them at all.) Add in "bones and skulls" so stuff doesn't get moved - unless your rotting room is distant from your bone carver, or if you have more bones than room in that stockpile - then split them up into a rotting room, and a bone/skull storage area (above ground they'll disappear - your call). Another for raw skins near your tanner is a good plan, but sharing the butcherable corpse locker works well too - they're often worked before they can get hauled.

:A garbage ''zone'' is for specific dumping projects - you have a bunch of economic rock you want moved to near your mason's shop, or it's time to move just your stacks of 5 plump helmets to near your still, items you manually, specifically and selectively mark for "dumping". Typically, ''only one'' garbage zone is {{k|a}}ctive at a time, and then a new one when a different target item needs to be shuffled to that new spot (or the dumped items might end up across the fortress in a different active garbage zone!) If you only have 1 "active" zone at a time, it's not hard to keep track of. And meanwhile the refuse ''stockpiles'' are on auto 24/7.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 19:30, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

::Ok, I tried to clarify my earlier post to make it clearer. I still think ''strictly'' was the right word though. Many newbs will read the starting guides and get the mistaken impression that refuse stockpiles are for unwanted items; while in fact, they are where you want your [[value|valuable]] items nearby to your craft shops. Everything else which has no MODVALUE in the raws should just be designated for dumping so that way it will eventually disappear from the stocks and not overwhelm the refuse stockpiles.

::Fish bones are a great example of this. Usually as my fortress matures, I'll eventually end up with five or six fisherdwarfs hauling in tons of fish which eventually are eaten and result in my refuse stockpiles getting flooded with worthless fish bones (since fish are considered "vermin" their bones have no [[value]].) Since I'd rather my bone carvers use the giant or large creature bones that I found in the nearby chasm, I designate the fish bones for dumping so that way my bonecarvers will only use the valuable bones.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 02:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Look - first, don't edit a discussion - it throws everything that comes after off. If you didn't say what you mean, then just post and correct, not edit. Anyway, "strictly" means "exclusively", as in "no exceptions" - what about "remains"? That is the first use of a refuse stockpile, a place for dwarves to dump rats and roaches. Last I checked, those are not "valuable", and so there goes your "strictly". More examples do not refute this exception. To not use one requires a visual scan for dead vermin, and then they get dumped in whatever current dump zone you have active. Other than that, you're preaching to the choir.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 04:08, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:::: Well, normally I would agree with you that discussions should be edited, but since you've invited the world at large to see our discussion by saying "(For a longer discussion on this, see Talk page: Refuse Stockpile vs. Dumping Zone)" on the main page, I thought that clarification was necessary to avoid confusing the masses that will come here. Anyway, you're right, I concede your point since I forgot that the cats are always moving remains of vermin to stockpiles and not to dumping zones. This does raise a separate question perhaps you can answer that I posted below.

==Other Stockpile comments/questions==
So uh, how do you make a refuse stockpile? What keys in what order? I can't get it to work and I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or if the Dwarfs are being naughty. (Wow! Thanks...I'm not sure how I missed that. :)

press p then r , then enter to start marking the area, move cursor, press enter again, refuse stockpile appears. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 18:45, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Do Shells and bones create miasma? If I create a custom indoor stockpile for them,do I need the airlock system? Currently I only keep fresh hides in a custom stock pile inside a room that holds the butcher and tanner --[[User:Mey|Mey]] 17:03, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:Shells and bones do not generate miasma when indoors. Decaying matter that generates shells and bones will, of course. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 18:07, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

''following is the discussion from [[refuse]], article has been merged with this one''

==chasm==
Is it possible to use a bottomless chasme as a refuse pit?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 08:22, 8 January 2008 (EST)
:Quite possible, and is the intended use for garbage dump zones, as evidenced by the {{k|o}}->{{k|r}} menu that has "Chasm xxx" as opposed to "Dump xxx" or somesuch. Just don't forget that you can't recover anything that gets tossed in there, (i.e. excess stone that you're simply moving out of the way, as opposed to say rotten food or other 'never useful' items.) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:26, 8 January 2008 (EST)

==Refuse Hauling==

Does anyone have any tips on refuse hauling? I have a refuse pit, quite close to my food stockpile but separated by doors. However, the dwarves will often leave the corpses of vermin lying around my food stockpile, generating [[miasma]] in the food stockpile, when I'd far rather they just cleaned up more quickly. Sometimes it helps to mark the vermin corpses for [[dump]]ing, but I'm not patrolling the food stockpile six times a season to look for corpses! Is there any way to make the dwarves prioritise [[clean]]ing higher? --[[User:AlexChurchill|AlexChurchill]] 05:55, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:You could always give the cleaning labor to some peasants. You could have the entire floor as a retractable bridge, so you could dump all the rubbish below. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 07:25, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::AFAIK, the cleaning labor causes dwarves to clean up mud, blood, and broken bolts. Refuse hauling makes them haul vermin corpses. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 08:55, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:Make a dwarf focus on refuse hauling, if nothing else works. [[User:Tardface|Tardface]] 22:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

==Miasma and Location==
I've been working on a glass fortress and my refuse stockpile is {{DFtext|Inside |#808000}}{{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Above Ground|#0f0}}; I have yet to see it emit miasma once even with a booming meat industry. Perhaps it isn't the Inside/Outside flag but the Light/Dark flag that determines if miasma is emitted? Could also be the Above Ground/Subterranean flag, doesn't matter which as you'll never get {{DFtext|Inside |#808000}}{{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Subterranean|#808080}}. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 12:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:Perhaps, but if that's the case, you might also be losing bones and any other refuse in there to the Seasonal Cleanup process. -[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:48, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::I was going to mention disappearing bones (butchered 23 camels but only a single stack of [10] Camel Bones in stockpile, no bonecarving done yet) but the roof over the stockpile that accepts shells/bones/skulls wasn't exactly finished at the time, so I'm waiting a few years of game time and keeping track of my stocks. EDIT: Over the course of 3 months my skull stockpile dwindled down from 16 to 6 and bones from 87 to 55. And unless a stack of turtle will only produced a single shell when eaten, I'm either losing a lot of shells or my food is affected too or both. Had 276 turtles in Spring 207, now down to 184 and only 16 shells in stockpile, Winter 208. I double checked and cooking is disabled for turtles. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 23:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Refuse vs Refuse Stockpile==
I just noticed that we have a Refuse article and a [[Refuse stockpile]] article both about refuse stockpiles. They were pretty much the same before I edited this one (didn't realize there was a Refuse Stockpile article). Should the refuse stockpile article be removed? None of the other [[Stockpile|stockpiles]] listed have their own article (currently links to Refuse stockpile), rather linking to information about the items instead. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 00:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'd ''combine'' them into this one (ensuring that no detail/insight is lost), and make that one a simple redirect. Also copy/paste that "discussion" page here onto this one, into its own section ("Copied from [[refuse stockpile]]") w/ subsections. That's also a good place to make a simple comment that you combined the two, under that main heading, w/ your reasons why ("redundancy" jumps to mind.)''Italic text''

== Exploit ==

Re:[[User talk:Birthright]]
::::Your argument is based on the premise that the predictions of future changes are generally accurate. I'm not willing to accept that assumption. I think the guesses are wrong at least as often as they are right.
::::Also, I don't see how assorted change guesses scattered throughout the wiki will do anything to prepare a newbie when a new version comes around. If you think this is a serious problem, we would be better off consolidating known changes into some sort of release notes page when a new version rolls out.
::::Ad hoc mixing of fact and opinion in the same article is poor style, so I think you are correct (even if you didn't intend it that way) that other exploit comments in articles should be removed. They could be replaced with a "see also: [[exploits]]" link at the bottom of the relevant section. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 13:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== Seasonal Cleanup ==
In response to the [http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Refuse_stockpile&oldid=41281267 last revision], in my experience items disappear after an amount of time and do not wait for season changes. Don't have any proof that the time needed for each item is the same, randomized, or dependent on the creature it came from and if its a skull/bone/shell. Perhaps someone wants to setup a bone, skull, and shell stockpile outside and watch it, counting the days? If I get some time today I'll go ahead and test it. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 21:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:I'll try to do this test this afternoon since it seems like [[User:Elvang|Elvang]] hasn't followed up on this recently.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
:I haven't forgotten this, it's just a tad bit tedious to do, so I haven't gotten around to it yet... (Maybe that's why Elvang never came back...) [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 14:05, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I think the term "cleanup" is misleading because it implies that a dwarf with the [[Cleaning]] labor is going to do something. Would "disappear" or "disapperate" or even "delete" work instead? The items basically are rotting away into dust, and completely disappear from the stocks—which is certainly useful to know when you've got a gazillion hoary marmot bones lying about in your refuse stocks and need to make room for those really [[Creature|valuable]] dragon bones. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

== Cats and Vermin Storage ==

What happens to vermin remains? Once a cat stores the remains in the stockpile, I can't even find it anymore. Does it disappear immediately or am I missing something? Can anything be crafted with vermin remains?

40d Talk:Refuse stockpile

2009-09-29T13:24:32Z

3lB33: /* Refuse Stockpile vs. Dumping Zone */ ok, Albedo, I know I shouldn't argue with you. ;-)

==Refuse Stockpile vs. Dumping Zone==
What are the advantages of using a refuse stockpile over a [[Zone#Garbage_Dump|dump zone]]? That might not be very clear to new players.--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:55, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:Considering myself a new player, the usefulness/function of a dump zone is not clear to me, yes. For now, after some experimentation, i go with not having a dump zone. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 23:17, 15 February 2008 (EST)
::dump zone lets you drop a lot of whatever on 1 square, such as an entire floors worth of stone. you do, however, have to designate each individual thing to be dumped. refuse stockpile only takes trash, but does so automaticaly -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 03:44, 16 February 2008 (EST)

:::I've finally realized that the refuse stockpile is strictly for keeping items that your dwarfs might like to use for their crafts: corpses for the butcher, skins for leatherworking, bones and shells for crafting. So lately I've separated out the crappy items from the stockpile by designating them for dumping into a {{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Above Ground|#0f0}} dump zone. Now, the only items I keep in my refuse stockpiles are turtle shells (though they aren't worth much, keeping a few are useful for fey moods) and anything with a mod value of more than 1. The Fish bones, goblin/kobold bones -- which used to take up so much space and eventually make it impossible for my dwarfs to keep the fortress clean -- all get designated for dumping to a dump zone now.
:::The only downside to this is that I've been forced to find all the worthless items (such as harpy, goblin, human, or elf bones) in a refuse stockpile by using 'k' and designating them to a dump zone one by one. I've tried to change the settings of the refuse stockpiles to only accept items of [[value]], but the settings are a pain to go through since it lists '''every''' [[creature]] that could possibly be hauled there.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 14:21, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

:No. Not "strictly". (And refuse ''stockpiles'' don't need items to be marked to be "dumped" - your post is confusing.) A refuse stockpile has 3 subsections, 2 of which are almost identical - there are Item Types, and Corpses and Body Parts. Here's how I use them...

:One or more stockpiles for "remains" allow dwarfs w/ Refuse Hauling to automatically "take out the trash" - grab up all those rat and large cockroach remains, anything the cat kills, and any wilted plants - those go into the rubbish heap, either in a miasma-lock or outside. You can have more than one of these.

:A refuse stockpile set to only accept certain corpses and parts are perfect for near butcher shops - at least for those creatures that are butcherable. For non-butcherable creature corpses & parts (not a big list - harpies, goblins, humans, elves), a miasma-proof rotting room near your bone-carver is a great use. Only worry about what's showing up on your map - if you don't have gremlins or ratmen, don't worry about them. (Delete non-bone creatures like slugmen/snailmen/grimelings in both - waste of time collecting them at all.) Add in "bones and skulls" so stuff doesn't get moved - unless your rotting room is distant from your bone carver, or if you have more bones than room in that stockpile - then split them up into a rotting room, and a bone/skull storage area (above ground they'll disappear - your call). Another for raw skins near your tanner is a good plan, but sharing the butcherable corpse locker works well too - they're often worked before they can get hauled.

:A garbage ''zone'' is for specific dumping projects - you have a bunch of economic rock you want moved to near your mason's shop, or it's time to move just your stacks of 5 plump helmets to near your still, items you manually, specifically and selectively mark for "dumping". Typically, ''only one'' garbage zone is {{k|a}}ctive at a time, and then a new one when a different target item needs to be shuffled to that new spot (or the dumped items might end up across the fortress in a different active garbage zone!) If you only have 1 "active" zone at a time, it's not hard to keep track of. And meanwhile the refuse ''stockpiles'' are on auto 24/7.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 19:30, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

::Ok, I tried to clarify my earlier post to make it clearer. I still think ''strictly'' was the right word though. Many newbs will read the starting guides and get the mistaken impression that refuse stockpiles are for unwanted items; while in fact, they are where you want your [[value|valuable]] items nearby to your craft shops. Everything else which has no MODVALUE in the raws should just be designated for dumping so that way it will eventually disappear from the stocks and not overwhelm the refuse stockpiles.

::Fish bones are a great example of this. Usually as my fortress matures, I'll eventually end up with five or six fisherdwarfs hauling in tons of fish which eventually are eaten and result in my refuse stockpiles getting flooded with worthless fish bones (since fish are considered "vermin" their bones have no [[value]].) Since I'd rather my bone carvers use the giant or large creature bones that I found in the nearby chasm, I designate the fish bones for dumping so that way my bonecarvers will only use the valuable bones.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 02:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Look - first, don't edit a discussion - it throws everything that comes after off. If you didn't say what you mean, then just post and correct, not edit. Anyway, "strictly" means "exclusively", as in "no exceptions" - what about "remains"? That is the first use of a refuse stockpile, a place for dwarves to dump rats and roaches. Last I checked, those are not "valuable", and so there goes your "strictly". More examples do not refute this exception. To not use one requires a visual scan for dead vermin, and then they get dumped in whatever current dump zone you have active. Other than that, you're preaching to the choir.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 04:08, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:::: Well, normally I would agree with you that discussions should be edited, but since you've invited the world at large to see our discussion by saying "(For a longer discussion on this, see Talk page: Refuse Stockpile vs. Dumping Zone)" on the main page, I thought that clarification was necessary to avoid confusing the masses that will come here. Anyway, you're right, I concede your point since I forgot that the cats are always moving remains of vermin to stockpiles and not to dumping zones. This does raise a separate question perhaps you can answer that I posted below.

==Other Stockpile comments/questions==
So uh, how do you make a refuse stockpile? What keys in what order? I can't get it to work and I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or if the Dwarfs are being naughty. (Wow! Thanks...I'm not sure how I missed that. :)

press p then r , then enter to start marking the area, move cursor, press enter again, refuse stockpile appears. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 18:45, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Do Shells and bones create miasma? If I create a custom indoor stockpile for them,do I need the airlock system? Currently I only keep fresh hides in a custom stock pile inside a room that holds the butcher and tanner --[[User:Mey|Mey]] 17:03, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:Shells and bones do not generate miasma when indoors. Decaying matter that generates shells and bones will, of course. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 18:07, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

''following is the discussion from [[refuse]], article has been merged with this one''

==chasm==
Is it possible to use a bottomless chasme as a refuse pit?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 08:22, 8 January 2008 (EST)
:Quite possible, and is the intended use for garbage dump zones, as evidenced by the {{k|o}}->{{k|r}} menu that has "Chasm xxx" as opposed to "Dump xxx" or somesuch. Just don't forget that you can't recover anything that gets tossed in there, (i.e. excess stone that you're simply moving out of the way, as opposed to say rotten food or other 'never useful' items.) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:26, 8 January 2008 (EST)

==Refuse Hauling==

Does anyone have any tips on refuse hauling? I have a refuse pit, quite close to my food stockpile but separated by doors. However, the dwarves will often leave the corpses of vermin lying around my food stockpile, generating [[miasma]] in the food stockpile, when I'd far rather they just cleaned up more quickly. Sometimes it helps to mark the vermin corpses for [[dump]]ing, but I'm not patrolling the food stockpile six times a season to look for corpses! Is there any way to make the dwarves prioritise [[clean]]ing higher? --[[User:AlexChurchill|AlexChurchill]] 05:55, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:You could always give the cleaning labor to some peasants. You could have the entire floor as a retractable bridge, so you could dump all the rubbish below. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 07:25, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::AFAIK, the cleaning labor causes dwarves to clean up mud, blood, and broken bolts. Refuse hauling makes them haul vermin corpses. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 08:55, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:Make a dwarf focus on refuse hauling, if nothing else works. [[User:Tardface|Tardface]] 22:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

==Miasma and Location==
I've been working on a glass fortress and my refuse stockpile is {{DFtext|Inside |#808000}}{{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Above Ground|#0f0}}; I have yet to see it emit miasma once even with a booming meat industry. Perhaps it isn't the Inside/Outside flag but the Light/Dark flag that determines if miasma is emitted? Could also be the Above Ground/Subterranean flag, doesn't matter which as you'll never get {{DFtext|Inside |#808000}}{{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Subterranean|#808080}}. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 12:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:Perhaps, but if that's the case, you might also be losing bones and any other refuse in there to the Seasonal Cleanup process. -[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:48, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::I was going to mention disappearing bones (butchered 23 camels but only a single stack of [10] Camel Bones in stockpile, no bonecarving done yet) but the roof over the stockpile that accepts shells/bones/skulls wasn't exactly finished at the time, so I'm waiting a few years of game time and keeping track of my stocks. EDIT: Over the course of 3 months my skull stockpile dwindled down from 16 to 6 and bones from 87 to 55. And unless a stack of turtle will only produced a single shell when eaten, I'm either losing a lot of shells or my food is affected too or both. Had 276 turtles in Spring 207, now down to 184 and only 16 shells in stockpile, Winter 208. I double checked and cooking is disabled for turtles. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 23:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Refuse vs Refuse Stockpile==
I just noticed that we have a Refuse article and a [[Refuse stockpile]] article both about refuse stockpiles. They were pretty much the same before I edited this one (didn't realize there was a Refuse Stockpile article). Should the refuse stockpile article be removed? None of the other [[Stockpile|stockpiles]] listed have their own article (currently links to Refuse stockpile), rather linking to information about the items instead. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 00:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'd ''combine'' them into this one (ensuring that no detail/insight is lost), and make that one a simple redirect. Also copy/paste that "discussion" page here onto this one, into its own section ("Copied from [[refuse stockpile]]") w/ subsections. That's also a good place to make a simple comment that you combined the two, under that main heading, w/ your reasons why ("redundancy" jumps to mind.)''Italic text''

== Exploit ==

Re:[[User talk:Birthright]]
::::Your argument is based on the premise that the predictions of future changes are generally accurate. I'm not willing to accept that assumption. I think the guesses are wrong at least as often as they are right.
::::Also, I don't see how assorted change guesses scattered throughout the wiki will do anything to prepare a newbie when a new version comes around. If you think this is a serious problem, we would be better off consolidating known changes into some sort of release notes page when a new version rolls out.
::::Ad hoc mixing of fact and opinion in the same article is poor style, so I think you are correct (even if you didn't intend it that way) that other exploit comments in articles should be removed. They could be replaced with a "see also: [[exploits]]" link at the bottom of the relevant section. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 13:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== Seasonal Cleanup ==
In response to the [http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Refuse_stockpile&oldid=41281267 last revision], in my experience items disappear after an amount of time and do not wait for season changes. Don't have any proof that the time needed for each item is the same, randomized, or dependent on the creature it came from and if its a skull/bone/shell. Perhaps someone wants to setup a bone, skull, and shell stockpile outside and watch it, counting the days? If I get some time today I'll go ahead and test it. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 21:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:I'll try to do this test this afternoon since it seems like [[User:Elvang|Elvang]] hasn't followed up on this recently.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
:I haven't forgotten this, it's just a tad bit tedious to do, so I haven't gotten around to it yet... (Maybe that's why Elvang never came back...) [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 14:05, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I think the term "cleanup" is misleading because it implies that a dwarf with the [[Cleaning]] labor is going to do something. Would "disappear" or "disapperate" or even "delete" work instead? The items basically are rotting away into dust, and completely disappear from the stocks—which is certainly useful to know when you've got a gazillion hoary marmot bones lying about in your refuse stocks and need to make room for those really [[Creature|valuable]] dragon bones. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Refuse stockpile

2009-09-29T02:05:52Z

3lB33: /* Refuse Stockpile vs. Dumping Zone */

==Refuse Stockpile vs. Dumping Zone==
What are the advantages of using a refuse stockpile over a [[Zone#Garbage_Dump|dump zone]]? That might not be very clear to new players.--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:55, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:Considering myself a new player, the usefulness/function of a dump zone is not clear to me, yes. For now, after some experimentation, i go with not having a dump zone. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 23:17, 15 February 2008 (EST)
::dump zone lets you drop a lot of whatever on 1 square, such as an entire floors worth of stone. you do, however, have to designate each individual thing to be dumped. refuse stockpile only takes trash, but does so automaticaly -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 03:44, 16 February 2008 (EST)

:::I've finally realized that the refuse stockpile is strictly for keeping items that your dwarfs might like to use for their crafts: corpses for the butcher, skins for leatherworking, bones and shells for crafting. So lately I've separated out the crappy items from the stockpile by designating them for dumping into a {{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Above Ground|#0f0}} dump zone. Now, the only items I keep in my refuse stockpiles are turtle shells (though they aren't worth much, keeping a few are useful for fey moods) and anything with a mod value of more than 1. The Fish bones, goblin/kobold bones -- which used to take up so much space and eventually make it impossible for my dwarfs to keep the fortress clean -- all get designated for dumping to a dump zone now.
:::The only downside to this is that I've been forced to find all the worthless items (such as harpy, goblin, human, or elf bones) in a refuse stockpile by using 'k' and designating them to a dump zone one by one. I've tried to change the settings of the refuse stockpiles to only accept items of [[value]], but the settings are a pain to go through since it lists '''every''' [[creature]] that could possibly be hauled there.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 14:21, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

:No. Not "strictly". (And refuse ''stockpiles'' don't need items to be marked to be "dumped" - your post is confusing.) A refuse stockpile has 3 subsections, 2 of which are almost identical - there are Item Types, and Corpses and Body Parts. Here's how I use them...

::Ok, I tried to clarify my earlier post to make it clearer. I still think ''strictly'' was the right word though. Many newbs will read the starting guides and get the mistaken impression that refuse stockpiles are for unwanted items; while in fact, they are where you want your [[value|valuable]] items nearby to your craft shops. Everything else which has no MODVALUE in the raws should just be designated for dumping so that way it will eventually disappear from the stocks and not overwhelm the refuse stockpiles.

::Fish bones are a great example of this. Usually as my fortress matures, I'll eventually end up with five or six fisherdwarfs hauling in tons of fish which eventually are eaten and result in my refuse stockpiles getting flooded with worthless fish bones (since fish are considered "vermin" their bones have no [[value]].) Since I'd rather my bone carvers use the giant or large creature bones that I found in the nearby chasm, I designate the fish bones for dumping so that way my bonecarvers will only use the valuable bones.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 02:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

:One or more stockpiles for "remains" allow dwarfs w/ Refuse Hauling to automatically "take out the trash" - grab up all those rat and large cockroach remains, anything the cat kills, and any wilted plants - those go into the rubbish heap, either in a miasma-lock or outside. You can have more than one of these.

:A refuse stockpile set to only accept certain corpses and parts are perfect for near butcher shops - at least for those creatures that are butcherable. For non-butcherable creature corpses & parts (not a big list - harpies, goblins, humans, elves), a miasma-proof rotting room near your bone-carver is a great use. Only worry about what's showing up on your map - if you don't have gremlins or ratmen, don't worry about them. (Delete non-bone creatures like slugmen/snailmen/grimelings in both - waste of time collecting them at all.) Add in "bones and skulls" so stuff doesn't get moved - unless your rotting room is distant from your bone carver, or if you have more bones than room in that stockpile - then split them up into a rotting room, and a bone/skull storage area (above ground they'll disappear - your call). Another for raw skins near your tanner is a good plan, but sharing the butcherable corpse locker works well too - they're often worked before they can get hauled.

:A garbage ''zone'' is for specific dumping projects - you have a bunch of economic rock you want moved to near your mason's shop, or it's time to move just your stacks of 5 plump helmets to near your still, items you manually, specifically and selectively mark for "dumping". Typically, ''only one'' garbage zone is {{k|a}}ctive at a time, and then a new one when a different target item needs to be shuffled to that new spot (or the dumped items might end up across the fortress in a different active garbage zone!) If you only have 1 "active" zone at a time, it's not hard to keep track of. And meanwhile the refuse ''stockpiles'' are on auto 24/7.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 19:30, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

==Other Stockpile comments/questions==
So uh, how do you make a refuse stockpile? What keys in what order? I can't get it to work and I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or if the Dwarfs are being naughty. (Wow! Thanks...I'm not sure how I missed that. :)

press p then r , then enter to start marking the area, move cursor, press enter again, refuse stockpile appears. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 18:45, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Do Shells and bones create miasma? If I create a custom indoor stockpile for them,do I need the airlock system? Currently I only keep fresh hides in a custom stock pile inside a room that holds the butcher and tanner --[[User:Mey|Mey]] 17:03, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:Shells and bones do not generate miasma when indoors. Decaying matter that generates shells and bones will, of course. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 18:07, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

''following is the discussion from [[refuse]], article has been merged with this one''

==chasm==
Is it possible to use a bottomless chasme as a refuse pit?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 08:22, 8 January 2008 (EST)
:Quite possible, and is the intended use for garbage dump zones, as evidenced by the {{k|o}}->{{k|r}} menu that has "Chasm xxx" as opposed to "Dump xxx" or somesuch. Just don't forget that you can't recover anything that gets tossed in there, (i.e. excess stone that you're simply moving out of the way, as opposed to say rotten food or other 'never useful' items.) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:26, 8 January 2008 (EST)

==Refuse Hauling==

Does anyone have any tips on refuse hauling? I have a refuse pit, quite close to my food stockpile but separated by doors. However, the dwarves will often leave the corpses of vermin lying around my food stockpile, generating [[miasma]] in the food stockpile, when I'd far rather they just cleaned up more quickly. Sometimes it helps to mark the vermin corpses for [[dump]]ing, but I'm not patrolling the food stockpile six times a season to look for corpses! Is there any way to make the dwarves prioritise [[clean]]ing higher? --[[User:AlexChurchill|AlexChurchill]] 05:55, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:You could always give the cleaning labor to some peasants. You could have the entire floor as a retractable bridge, so you could dump all the rubbish below. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 07:25, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::AFAIK, the cleaning labor causes dwarves to clean up mud, blood, and broken bolts. Refuse hauling makes them haul vermin corpses. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 08:55, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:Make a dwarf focus on refuse hauling, if nothing else works. [[User:Tardface|Tardface]] 22:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

==Miasma and Location==
I've been working on a glass fortress and my refuse stockpile is {{DFtext|Inside |#808000}}{{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Above Ground|#0f0}}; I have yet to see it emit miasma once even with a booming meat industry. Perhaps it isn't the Inside/Outside flag but the Light/Dark flag that determines if miasma is emitted? Could also be the Above Ground/Subterranean flag, doesn't matter which as you'll never get {{DFtext|Inside |#808000}}{{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Subterranean|#808080}}. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 12:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:Perhaps, but if that's the case, you might also be losing bones and any other refuse in there to the Seasonal Cleanup process. -[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:48, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::I was going to mention disappearing bones (butchered 23 camels but only a single stack of [10] Camel Bones in stockpile, no bonecarving done yet) but the roof over the stockpile that accepts shells/bones/skulls wasn't exactly finished at the time, so I'm waiting a few years of game time and keeping track of my stocks. EDIT: Over the course of 3 months my skull stockpile dwindled down from 16 to 6 and bones from 87 to 55. And unless a stack of turtle will only produced a single shell when eaten, I'm either losing a lot of shells or my food is affected too or both. Had 276 turtles in Spring 207, now down to 184 and only 16 shells in stockpile, Winter 208. I double checked and cooking is disabled for turtles. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 23:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Refuse vs Refuse Stockpile==
I just noticed that we have a Refuse article and a [[Refuse stockpile]] article both about refuse stockpiles. They were pretty much the same before I edited this one (didn't realize there was a Refuse Stockpile article). Should the refuse stockpile article be removed? None of the other [[Stockpile|stockpiles]] listed have their own article (currently links to Refuse stockpile), rather linking to information about the items instead. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 00:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'd ''combine'' them into this one (ensuring that no detail/insight is lost), and make that one a simple redirect. Also copy/paste that "discussion" page here onto this one, into its own section ("Copied from [[refuse stockpile]]") w/ subsections. That's also a good place to make a simple comment that you combined the two, under that main heading, w/ your reasons why ("redundancy" jumps to mind.)''Italic text''

== Exploit ==

Re:[[User talk:Birthright]]
::::Your argument is based on the premise that the predictions of future changes are generally accurate. I'm not willing to accept that assumption. I think the guesses are wrong at least as often as they are right.
::::Also, I don't see how assorted change guesses scattered throughout the wiki will do anything to prepare a newbie when a new version comes around. If you think this is a serious problem, we would be better off consolidating known changes into some sort of release notes page when a new version rolls out.
::::Ad hoc mixing of fact and opinion in the same article is poor style, so I think you are correct (even if you didn't intend it that way) that other exploit comments in articles should be removed. They could be replaced with a "see also: [[exploits]]" link at the bottom of the relevant section. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 13:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== Seasonal Cleanup ==
In response to the [http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Refuse_stockpile&oldid=41281267 last revision], in my experience items disappear after an amount of time and do not wait for season changes. Don't have any proof that the time needed for each item is the same, randomized, or dependent on the creature it came from and if its a skull/bone/shell. Perhaps someone wants to setup a bone, skull, and shell stockpile outside and watch it, counting the days? If I get some time today I'll go ahead and test it. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 21:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:I'll try to do this test this afternoon since it seems like [[User:Elvang|Elvang]] hasn't followed up on this recently.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
:I haven't forgotten this, it's just a tad bit tedious to do, so I haven't gotten around to it yet... (Maybe that's why Elvang never came back...) [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 14:05, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I think the term "cleanup" is misleading because it implies that a dwarf with the [[Cleaning]] labor is going to do something. Would "disappear" or "disapperate" or even "delete" work instead? The items basically are rotting away into dust, and completely disappear from the stocks—which is certainly useful to know when you've got a gazillion hoary marmot bones lying about in your refuse stocks and need to make room for those really [[Creature|valuable]] dragon bones. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

40d:Fire

2009-09-28T16:46:23Z

3lB33: /* A typical example */ more fun pics (totally stolen from 1d4chan)

'''Fire''' is not an individual item, but a condition that affects creatures and items. An item or creature is either on fire, or not. Adjacent items can catch fire if they are flammable - wood and cloth are examples of flammable items, stone and gems are not. Some items are especially flammable, such as [[coal]] or [[alcohol]].

Fire is exceptionally dangerous, more so than most [[creature]]s, in part because dwarves will not avoid fire nor will they react to it in any way, and so will happily walk into flames, catch fire and then spread it without a word of complaint. No [[announcement]] will be generated until a dwarf dies ("[[Urist]] McHotstuff has died in the heat"), which might be the first notice you get of the problem.
[[Image:Running around on fire.gif|thumb|right|250px|''(click to enlarge)'' '''‼'''Dwarves'''‼''' on fire (flashing red/yellow), and trailing [[smoke]].]]
A border of exclamation marks on an '''‼'''item'''‼''' or '''‼'''creature'''‼''' indicates that it is on fire. Items on fire also release [[smoke]] and can ignite adjacent items. Most burning items will eventually vanish, being completely consumed by the fire, but some take extremely long to do so. 

In the {{k|u}}nits list, the name of burning dwarves or creatures will flash, alternating quickly between yellow and red, similar to the graphic, right. (And may do so forever after the dwarf dies.)

The biggest danger is that fire can easily spread, setting other dwarves (who don't care) and items alight. Once something is on fire, either an object or a creature, there is very little you can do about it except quickly isolate them like some plague carrier, and wait for the inevitable. {{verify}}

=== A typical example ===

{{D for Dwarf}}
[[File:Dwarf_title_boo_radley_anonib.gif|thumb|right|A Dwarf on fire]]
:# While you're not watching (of course), a [[furnace operator]] gets hit by fireball from a [[fire imp]] while working at the [[magma smelter]].
:# The furnace operator then runs around on his business, smelting [[coke]], and sets fire to both the [[charcoal]] stockpile, and a [[bituminous coal]] vein.
:# As he does this he takes burning damage.
:# Now [[wound]]ed, he heads for the [[barracks]] for a rest.
:# The dwarf dies on the way, and his (still burning) clothes fall to the side. ''(Somehow, let's say you miss the announcement of his death - the game doesn't pause or re-center, so it wouldn't be the first time.)''
:# A peasant comes and picks up his '''‼'''[[giant cave spider]] [[silk]] [[shoe]]'''‼''' and puts it on. His clothing catches on fire.
:# He goes to the surface and starts a [[forest fire]], which distracts you for some time. You think the forest fire caught him on fire, not the other way around.
:# Meanwhile, your legendary [[armorer]] grabs some '''‼'''charcoal'''‼''' for a new steel project. Soon, he's a '''‼'''legendary armorer'''‼''' (but not for long...)
:# A [[hauler]] grabs some armor in the forge where the charcoal is burning, catches fire, and sets fire to the leather armor items in the armor stockpile, and/or the rows of wooden bins there.
:# A miner finds the burning coal vein, and becomes a '''‼'''miner'''‼'''.
:# One of these dwarves soon feels hurt also, and heads for the barracks to rest, getting on a [[wood]]en [[bed]] and lighting that up.
:# Another goes and has a drink, setting fire to the booze stockpiles and causing all of the drinks to boil away.
:# Nearby beds and food stockpiles light up; dwarves sleep on those [[bed]]s and the others near it and get lit up themselves, as well as the dwarves going for a drink or meal, and for the '''‼'''[[cave spider]] [[silk]] [[robe]]'''‼'''.
:# The announcements about all the dwarves that have "died in the heat" start pouring in - you don't miss these.
:# You find the burning coal vein and miner, and blame it on him, wondering when and why he went outside into the forest fire.
:# Now a fair portion of the fortress is on fire, but you can't do anything about it, and can't see what's happening very well for all the smoke.
:# To save what dwarves you can, you <A>ctivate them, and so some and go to the burning armor bins to get '''‼'''armored'''‼''' up.
:# Those few who do manage to get out unlit have all lost several friends and loved ones, and a [[tantrum|tantrum spiral]] is now unavoidable. Those few soon go [[insane]] and throw themselves into the river in a final ironic act.

Wasn't that [[fun]]?

==Forest fires==

===Origins===
Creatures such as [[Fire imp]]s can cause a forest fire by igniting a creature with a fire attack. If grass also ignites, the fire will slowly spread to all connected grass, generating smoke as it burns. Fire turns [[grass]] into ashes, but not usable [[ash|ashes]]. Anything that is flammable and stands on burning grass (if you loo{{k|k}} at it you will see "A fire") has a chance to catch fire each turn.

===Preventing forest fires===
It is recommended to guard the surroundings of an exterior [[magma]] pool with [[Marksdwarf|Marksdwarves]] so that creatures don't have a chance to light anything up (except the Marksdwarves themselves, but this is unlikely if they are well trained). Having walls or better yet fortifications all around the pools is likely to prevent all possible forest fires. Strangely [[grizzly bear]]s seem to be ineffective against such a threat.

Alternatively, pour water on top of the pool to turn it to [[obsidian]], sealing it. (But what a waste of magma!)

===Protecting from forest fires===
Since dwarves will not pay attention to fires , and dwarves will rush to move their dead friends to the graveyard, you may end up very quickly with heavy casualties if you do not {{k|o}}rder all dwarves to stay {{k|i}}nside. If you have precious items and buildings outside, it is also possible to dig a [[channel]] to stop the fire from spreading any more (they are cheaper then walls, offer the same protection and, most importantly, are much faster to create).

Know however that merchants will not pay anymore attention to the fire than your own dwarves, so you may also want to protect them in the same fashion, even if it should change their path, otherwise they could all happily walk into flames when leaving the region (or worse, stand for days on "A fire").

===Irregularities===
Forest fires present certain irregularities that you should take in consideration {{version|0.28.181.40d}}:
*[[Trees]], [[plants]] and other [[map tile]]s will '''not''' be destroyed in the fire. That makes them very easy to spot after a forest fire, and also a possible (if unlikely) natural defense. [[Items]], however, may burn.
*Grassy slopes will not catch on fire, thus preventing the fire from spreading across z-levels.
*Forest fires, no matter how big, will never cross a [[channel]] or a non-wooden [[road]]. However, they ''will'' go through closed doors. {{verify}}
*In you start a fire in adventure mode, it will not spread if temperature is turned off.

== [[Adventure Mode]] ==
In adventurer mode, it's possible to ignite trees and shrubs with {{k|g}}. The possibilities for killing wolves with the burning corpses of other wolves should not be overlooked. (It should be noted that the {{k|T}}ravel function puts out any inconvenient fires on yourself and your collection of "'''‼'''wolf head'''‼'''"s, which will probably end up as "Xwolf headX" after your trip). Since steel items do not burn, it is possible to kill friendly guards by setting the right location on fire, and when the hapless speardwarf perishes, heading back and taking his spear to use as a throwing weapon.

[[Category:Physics]]

File:Dwarf title boo radley anonib.gif

2009-09-28T16:43:43Z

3lB33: Dwarf on fire

Dwarf on fire

40d Talk:Refuse stockpile

2009-09-28T14:21:45Z

3lB33: The real use for stockpiles

==Refuse Stockpile vs. Dump==
What are the advantages of using a refuse stockpile over a dump zone? That might not be very clear to new players.--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:55, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:Considering myself a new player, the usefulness/function of a dump zone is not clear to me, yes. For now, after some experimentation, i go with not having a dump zone. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 23:17, 15 February 2008 (EST)
::dump zone lets you drop a lot of whatever on 1 square, such as an entire floors worth of stone. you do, however, have to designate each individual thing to be dumped. refuse stockpile only takes trash, but does so automaticaly -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 03:44, 16 February 2008 (EST)
===Storing refuse based on value===
I've finally realized that the refuse stockpile is strictly for keeping items that your dwarfs might like to use for their crafts: corpses for the butcher, skins for leatherworking, bones and shells for crafting. So lately I've separated out the crappy items from the stockpile by designating them for dumping into a {{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Above Ground|#0f0}} zone. Now, the only items I keep in my refuse stockpiles are turtle shells (though they aren't worth much, keeping a few are useful for fey moods) and anything with a mod value of more than 1. The Fish bones, goblin/kobold bones -- which used to take up so much space and eventually make it impossible for my dwarfs to keep the fortress clean -- all get dumped now.
*The only downside to this is that I've been forced to find them all using 'k' and dumping one by one. I've tried to change the settings of the stockpile to only accept the valuable drops, but the settings are a pain to go through since it lists '''every''' creature that could possibly be dumped there.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 14:21, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

==Other Stockpile comments/questions==
So uh, how do you make a refuse stockpile? What keys in what order? I can't get it to work and I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or if the Dwarfs are being naughty. (Wow! Thanks...I'm not sure how I missed that. :)

press p then r , then enter to start marking the area, move cursor, press enter again, refuse stockpile appears. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 18:45, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Do Shells and bones create miasma? If I create a custom indoor stockpile for them,do I need the airlock system? Currently I only keep fresh hides in a custom stock pile inside a room that holds the butcher and tanner --[[User:Mey|Mey]] 17:03, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:Shells and bones do not generate miasma when indoors. Decaying matter that generates shells and bones will, of course. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 18:07, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

''following is the discussion from [[refuse]], article has been merged with this one''

==chasm==
Is it possible to use a bottomless chasme as a refuse pit?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 08:22, 8 January 2008 (EST)
:Quite possible, and is the intended use for garbage dump zones, as evidenced by the {{k|o}}->{{k|r}} menu that has "Chasm xxx" as opposed to "Dump xxx" or somesuch. Just don't forget that you can't recover anything that gets tossed in there, (i.e. excess stone that you're simply moving out of the way, as opposed to say rotten food or other 'never useful' items.) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:26, 8 January 2008 (EST)

==Refuse Hauling==

Does anyone have any tips on refuse hauling? I have a refuse pit, quite close to my food stockpile but separated by doors. However, the dwarves will often leave the corpses of vermin lying around my food stockpile, generating [[miasma]] in the food stockpile, when I'd far rather they just cleaned up more quickly. Sometimes it helps to mark the vermin corpses for [[dump]]ing, but I'm not patrolling the food stockpile six times a season to look for corpses! Is there any way to make the dwarves prioritise [[clean]]ing higher? --[[User:AlexChurchill|AlexChurchill]] 05:55, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:You could always give the cleaning labor to some peasants. You could have the entire floor as a retractable bridge, so you could dump all the rubbish below. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 07:25, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::AFAIK, the cleaning labor causes dwarves to clean up mud, blood, and broken bolts. Refuse hauling makes them haul vermin corpses. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 08:55, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:Make a dwarf focus on refuse hauling, if nothing else works. [[User:Tardface|Tardface]] 22:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

==Miasma and Location==
I've been working on a glass fortress and my refuse stockpile is {{DFtext|Inside |#808000}}{{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Above Ground|#0f0}}; I have yet to see it emit miasma once even with a booming meat industry. Perhaps it isn't the Inside/Outside flag but the Light/Dark flag that determines if miasma is emitted? Could also be the Above Ground/Subterranean flag, doesn't matter which as you'll never get {{DFtext|Inside |#808000}}{{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Subterranean|#808080}}. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 12:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:Perhaps, but if that's the case, you might also be losing bones and any other refuse in there to the Seasonal Cleanup process. -[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:48, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::I was going to mention disappearing bones (butchered 23 camels but only a single stack of [10] Camel Bones in stockpile, no bonecarving done yet) but the roof over the stockpile that accepts shells/bones/skulls wasn't exactly finished at the time, so I'm waiting a few years of game time and keeping track of my stocks. EDIT: Over the course of 3 months my skull stockpile dwindled down from 16 to 6 and bones from 87 to 55. And unless a stack of turtle will only produced a single shell when eaten, I'm either losing a lot of shells or my food is affected too or both. Had 276 turtles in Spring 207, now down to 184 and only 16 shells in stockpile, Winter 208. I double checked and cooking is disabled for turtles. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 23:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Refuse vs Refuse Stockpile==
I just noticed that we have a Refuse article and a [[Refuse stockpile]] article both about refuse stockpiles. They were pretty much the same before I edited this one (didn't realize there was a Refuse Stockpile article). Should the refuse stockpile article be removed? None of the other [[Stockpile|stockpiles]] listed have their own article (currently links to Refuse stockpile), rather linking to information about the items instead. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 00:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'd ''combine'' them into this one (ensuring that no detail/insight is lost), and make that one a simple redirect. Also copy/paste that "discussion" page here onto this one, into its own section ("Copied from [[refuse stockpile]]") w/ subsections. That's also a good place to make a simple comment that you combined the two, under that main heading, w/ your reasons why ("redundancy" jumps to mind.)''Italic text''

== Exploit ==

Re:[[User talk:Birthright]]
::::Your argument is based on the premise that the predictions of future changes are generally accurate. I'm not willing to accept that assumption. I think the guesses are wrong at least as often as they are right.
::::Also, I don't see how assorted change guesses scattered throughout the wiki will do anything to prepare a newbie when a new version comes around. If you think this is a serious problem, we would be better off consolidating known changes into some sort of release notes page when a new version rolls out.
::::Ad hoc mixing of fact and opinion in the same article is poor style, so I think you are correct (even if you didn't intend it that way) that other exploit comments in articles should be removed. They could be replaced with a "see also: [[exploits]]" link at the bottom of the relevant section. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 13:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== Seasonal Cleanup ==
In response to the [http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Refuse_stockpile&oldid=41281267 last revision], in my experience items disappear after an amount of time and do not wait for season changes. Don't have any proof that the time needed for each item is the same, randomized, or dependent on the creature it came from and if its a skull/bone/shell. Perhaps someone wants to setup a bone, skull, and shell stockpile outside and watch it, counting the days? If I get some time today I'll go ahead and test it. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 21:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:I'll try to do this test this afternoon since it seems like [[User:Elvang|Elvang]] hasn't followed up on this recently.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
:I haven't forgotten this, it's just a tad bit tedious to do, so I haven't gotten around to it yet... (Maybe that's why Elvang never came back...) [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 14:05, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I think the term "cleanup" is misleading because it implies that a dwarf with the [[Cleaning]] labor is going to do something. Would "disappear" or "disapperate" or even "delete" work instead? The items basically are rotting away into dust, and completely disappear from the stocks—which is certainly useful to know when you've got a gazillion hoary marmot bones lying about in your refuse stocks and need to make room for those really [[Creature|valuable]] dragon bones. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Refuse stockpile

2009-09-28T14:05:25Z

3lB33: /* Seasonal Cleanup */

What are the advantages of using a refuse stockpile over a dump zone? That might not be very clear to new players.--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:55, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:Considering myself a new player, the usefulness/function of a dump zone is not clear to me, yes. For now, after some experimentation, i go with not having a dump zone. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 23:17, 15 February 2008 (EST)
::dump zone lets you drop a lot of whatever on 1 square, such as an entire floors worth of stone. you do, however, have to designate each individual thing to be dumped. refuse stockpile only takes trash, but does so automaticaly -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 03:44, 16 February 2008 (EST)

So uh, how do you make a refuse stockpile? What keys in what order? I can't get it to work and I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or if the Dwarfs are being naughty. (Wow! Thanks...I'm not sure how I missed that. :)

press p then r , then enter to start marking the area, move cursor, press enter again, refuse stockpile appears. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 18:45, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Do Shells and bones create miasma? If I create a custom indoor stockpile for them,do I need the airlock system? Currently I only keep fresh hides in a custom stock pile inside a room that holds the butcher and tanner --[[User:Mey|Mey]] 17:03, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:Shells and bones do not generate miasma when indoors. Decaying matter that generates shells and bones will, of course. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 18:07, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

''following is the discussion from [[refuse]], article has been merged with this one''

==chasm==
Is it possible to use a bottomless chasme as a refuse pit?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 08:22, 8 January 2008 (EST)
:Quite possible, and is the intended use for garbage dump zones, as evidenced by the {{k|o}}->{{k|r}} menu that has "Chasm xxx" as opposed to "Dump xxx" or somesuch. Just don't forget that you can't recover anything that gets tossed in there, (i.e. excess stone that you're simply moving out of the way, as opposed to say rotten food or other 'never useful' items.) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:26, 8 January 2008 (EST)

==Refuse Hauling==

Does anyone have any tips on refuse hauling? I have a refuse pit, quite close to my food stockpile but separated by doors. However, the dwarves will often leave the corpses of vermin lying around my food stockpile, generating [[miasma]] in the food stockpile, when I'd far rather they just cleaned up more quickly. Sometimes it helps to mark the vermin corpses for [[dump]]ing, but I'm not patrolling the food stockpile six times a season to look for corpses! Is there any way to make the dwarves prioritise [[clean]]ing higher? --[[User:AlexChurchill|AlexChurchill]] 05:55, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:You could always give the cleaning labor to some peasants. You could have the entire floor as a retractable bridge, so you could dump all the rubbish below. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 07:25, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::AFAIK, the cleaning labor causes dwarves to clean up mud, blood, and broken bolts. Refuse hauling makes them haul vermin corpses. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 08:55, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:Make a dwarf focus on refuse hauling, if nothing else works. [[User:Tardface|Tardface]] 22:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

==Miasma and Location==
I've been working on a glass fortress and my refuse stockpile is {{DFtext|Inside |#808000}}{{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Above Ground|#0f0}}; I have yet to see it emit miasma once even with a booming meat industry. Perhaps it isn't the Inside/Outside flag but the Light/Dark flag that determines if miasma is emitted? Could also be the Above Ground/Subterranean flag, doesn't matter which as you'll never get {{DFtext|Inside |#808000}}{{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Subterranean|#808080}}. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 12:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:Perhaps, but if that's the case, you might also be losing bones and any other refuse in there to the Seasonal Cleanup process. -[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:48, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::I was going to mention disappearing bones (butchered 23 camels but only a single stack of [10] Camel Bones in stockpile, no bonecarving done yet) but the roof over the stockpile that accepts shells/bones/skulls wasn't exactly finished at the time, so I'm waiting a few years of game time and keeping track of my stocks. EDIT: Over the course of 3 months my skull stockpile dwindled down from 16 to 6 and bones from 87 to 55. And unless a stack of turtle will only produced a single shell when eaten, I'm either losing a lot of shells or my food is affected too or both. Had 276 turtles in Spring 207, now down to 184 and only 16 shells in stockpile, Winter 208. I double checked and cooking is disabled for turtles. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 23:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Refuse vs Refuse Stockpile==
I just noticed that we have a Refuse article and a [[Refuse stockpile]] article both about refuse stockpiles. They were pretty much the same before I edited this one (didn't realize there was a Refuse Stockpile article). Should the refuse stockpile article be removed? None of the other [[Stockpile|stockpiles]] listed have their own article (currently links to Refuse stockpile), rather linking to information about the items instead. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 00:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'd ''combine'' them into this one (ensuring that no detail/insight is lost), and make that one a simple redirect. Also copy/paste that "discussion" page here onto this one, into its own section ("Copied from [[refuse stockpile]]") w/ subsections. That's also a good place to make a simple comment that you combined the two, under that main heading, w/ your reasons why ("redundancy" jumps to mind.)''Italic text''

== Exploit ==

Re:[[User talk:Birthright]]
::::Your argument is based on the premise that the predictions of future changes are generally accurate. I'm not willing to accept that assumption. I think the guesses are wrong at least as often as they are right.
::::Also, I don't see how assorted change guesses scattered throughout the wiki will do anything to prepare a newbie when a new version comes around. If you think this is a serious problem, we would be better off consolidating known changes into some sort of release notes page when a new version rolls out.
::::Ad hoc mixing of fact and opinion in the same article is poor style, so I think you are correct (even if you didn't intend it that way) that other exploit comments in articles should be removed. They could be replaced with a "see also: [[exploits]]" link at the bottom of the relevant section. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 13:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== Seasonal Cleanup ==
In response to the [http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Refuse_stockpile&oldid=41281267 last revision], in my experience items disappear after an amount of time and do not wait for season changes. Don't have any proof that the time needed for each item is the same, randomized, or dependent on the creature it came from and if its a skull/bone/shell. Perhaps someone wants to setup a bone, skull, and shell stockpile outside and watch it, counting the days? If I get some time today I'll go ahead and test it. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 21:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:I'll try to do this test this afternoon since it seems like [[User:Elvang|Elvang]] hasn't followed up on this recently.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
:I haven't forgotten this, it's just a tad bit tedious to do, so I haven't gotten around to it yet... (Maybe that's why Elvang never came back...) [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 14:05, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I think the term "cleanup" is misleading because it implies that a dwarf with the [[Cleaning]] labor is going to do something. Would "disappear" or "disapperate" or even "delete" work instead? The items basically are rotting away into dust, and completely disappear from the stocks—which is certainly useful to know when you've got a gazillion hoary marmot bones lying about in your refuse stocks and need to make room for those really [[Creature|valuable]] dragon bones. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Tileset repository

2009-09-28T13:53:38Z

3lB33: /* Lemunde */

''You may be looking for general information on [[tilesets]] or the [[List of user graphics sets|Graphics set repository]].''

== Square tilesets ==

These are all the character sets with square tiles, except for the character sets with 16×16 tiles. Those are listed [[List_of_user_character_sets#16.C3.9716_tilesets|below]]. Text in square tilesets (as opposed to tilesets with shorter width) is usually more difficult to read, but the map is not distorted.

=== Anikki ===

[[Image:df_anikki_2.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Anikki_square_8x8.png]]
|author=[[User:Anikki|Anikki]]
|dated=2008-7-27
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×200 native.
|comments=Based on the original IBM CGA Character set with a lot of tweaks. The characters remain as descriptive yet universal as possible. I chose the CGA set because it is in my opinion the square set with the best readability. This set is for those who like the basic ASCII look where every pixel has meaning or (multiple meanings). [http://www.anikki.com/share/df/Anikki_square_8x8.bmp Download the BMP]

There is also an upscaled [[#Anikki_2|16x16 version]] of this set available for fullscreen use below.
}}

[[Image:df_anikki_1.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Anikki_square_10x10.png]]
|author=[[User:Anikki|Anikki]]
|dated=2008-7-27
|size=10×10
|resolution=800×250 native.
|comments=Based primarily on Tocky and Plac1d's sets (which are brilliant). The characters remain as descriptive as possible with some tweaks to the font for better readability and some changes to symbols for more consistency. This set is for those who like the basic ASCII look where every pixel has meaning or (multiple meanings). [http://www.anikki.com/share/df/Anikki_square_10x10.bmp Download the BMP]
(Note: The up and down ramps are reversed.)
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Anikki_square_20x20.png]]
|author=[[User:Anikki|Anikki]]
|dated=2008-7-27
|size=20×20
|resolution=1600×500 native.
|comments=Based primarily on Tocky and Plac1d. This is a scaled up version of the 10x10 tileset for fullscreen use. [http://www.anikki.com/share/df/Anikki_square_20x20.bmp Download the BMP]
(Note: The up and down ramps are reversed.)
}}

=== Dorten ===

[[Image:Snap.PNG|thumb|right]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:720x225_SmoothWalls.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Dorten|Dorten]]
|dated=2009-2-13
|size=9×9
|resolution=720×225
|comments=It's improved Savok's tileset, which is changed to make walls look smooth. Plus another little differences.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:720x225_SmoothWalls7.png]]
|author=[[User:Dorten|Dorten]]
|dated=2009-2-13
|size=9×9
|resolution=720×225
|comments=Minor tweak so the 7's don't look like question marks.
}}

=== Hanuman ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:DB_curses_12x12.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Hanuman|Hanuman]]
|dated=2008-7-23
|size=12×12
|resolution=900×300
|comments=This is basically the curses_800x600.bmp file converted to 12x12. It may be slightly different but it is close enough for me. [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=318 Get the .BMP here.]
Note: If the tileset doesn't look right played at 900x300, try changing the resolution to 966x325.
}}

=== Haowan ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Haowan_Curses_1440x450.png]]
|author=Haowan
|dated=2007-11-2
|size=18×18
|resolution=1440×450
|comments=An enlarged version of a square version of the default set.
}}

=== Herrbdog ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Herrbdog_144.png]]
|author=Herrbdog
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=A larger version of this tileset is available [[#Herrbdog 2|below]].
}}

=== Lord Dullard ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Dullard_Exponent_12x12.png]]
|author=Lord Dullard/Exponent
|dated=2009-3-30
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300 native
|comments=Adjusted by Exponent, and with new dwarf characters added. A version of the Unknown 12×12 tileset with smoothed walls. Example: [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-5243-wiltedblight Wiltedblight].
}}

=== Lord Nightmare ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:CGA8x8thick.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×400
|comments=The original IBM CGA Character set, thick variant, dumped from addresses 0x1800-0x1fff the 5788005 IBM Character Generator ROM. This is the far more common 'thick' variant. Best viewed at 8:5 aspect ratio.
}}

[[Image:Nightmare_cga_8x8.jpg|thumb|right|Lord Nightmare's 8×8 CGA tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:CGA8x8thin.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2008-6-6
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×400
|comments=The original IBM CGA Character set, thin variant, dumped from addresses 0x1000-0x17ff the 5788005 IBM Character Generator ROM. This is the less common 'thin' variant, which required soldering on two pins and jumpering them on the CGA card to use. Best viewed at 8:5 aspect ratio.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:EGA8x8.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×400
|comments=The IBM EGA 8×8 Character set, dumped from the 6277356 IBM EGA BIOS ROM. This is ALMOST 100% IDENTICAL to the CGA thick font, but has minor modifications (23 pixels total) done to four characters: the capital 'S', the club sign, the spade sign, and the large asterisk (the one with a hole in the middle, char 0x0f, not the shift-8 one which is char 0x2a). There is no thin variant of this font. Best viewed at 8:5 aspect ratio.
}}

=== Maus ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Nostalgia_720x225.png]]
|author=[[User:Maus|maus]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=9×9
|resolution=720×225
|comments=Another square tileset that's usable on low resolutions, modeled after a common font used on the Nintendo Entertainment System. An 18x18 version for 1440x450 resolution is also [[:Image:Nostalgia_1440x450_3e4a08.png|available here]], and is really nice on a widescreen monitor. An NES palette is [[User:Maus|available here]].
}}

=== Markavian ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:mkv_solidcurses_stairs_960x300.png]]
|author=[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]
|dated=2007-12-4
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=This revision is designed to work with DF version 0.27.169.33a with special tiles for [[stair]]s and [[ramp]]s, as well as the changes present in the earlier version such as bones, walls, trees and swords. Available in [http://mkv25.net/showcase/df/mkv_curses%2012×12%20and%206x6%20v2.zip mkv curses 12×12 and 6x6 v2.zip]. As seen in the fortress of [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-1329-axegear Axegear].
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Mkv_solidcurses_960x300.png]]
|author=[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=An older revision of my square tileset, featuring more detailed symbols, with alterations to certain text characters to look more like ingame items. The walls are infilled now. 
Available in [http://mkv25.net/showcase/df/mkv_curses%2012×12%20and%206x6%20v2.zip mkv curses 12×12 and 6x6 v2.zip]. As seen in the fortress of [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-800-inflew. Inkflew].
}}

=== Paul ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Paul_10x10.png]]
|author=[[User:Paul|Paul]]
|dated=2008-9-5
|size=10×10
|resolution=800×250 for 80×25 grid size, others just multiply grid by 10.
|comments=Custom tileset I made for my own use when the adjustable grid sizes were released for DF. Some accented letters cut slightly to allow for larger letter display. Contains several of Tocky's tiles (barrels, some trees, dimple cups, coins, slightly modified armor stand). Others are either made by me or adjusted from curses_800x600 tiles.
}}

=== Savok ===

[[Image:Screenshot_41ea57.png|thumb|right|Savok's tiny, non-updated tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Curses_720x225_8d6752.png]]
|author=[[User:Savok|Savok]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=9×9
|resolution=720×225
|comments=There is no doubt that this tileset is old. This must be distinctly understood if anything wonderful is to come of your use of it. You may like [[List_of_user_character_sets#Dorten|Dorten's revision]] more. The following is the original description: I dislike curses_640x300.bmp due to its lack of any kind of graphics for things like a bed or a barrel and the fact that it distorts my beautiful circles, so I made a similarish tileset to fix those.
}}

=== Sir Henry ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:Sir_Henry%27s_32x32.png|Not shown due to size]]
|author=Sir Henry
|dated=2009-8-19
|size=32×32
|resolution=2560×800
|comments=Recently I learned of a monitor displaying 2560 pixels horizontally, and I decided it needed a tileset to put to use. Taking the tileset I use (Kelora 16x16 diagonal) and doubling it, I was able to get a decent tileset. Smoothing the edges, and redoing some glyphs to get a better look (or just messing up some to bad to fix), I was able to achieve this.
}}

===Teeto_K===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Teeto_K_18x18.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Teeto_K|Teeto_K]]
|dated=2008-10-24
|size=18×18
|resolution=1440×450
|comments=A tileset based on [[:Image:Nostalgia_1440x450_3e4a08.png|Maus's 18x18 version of his "Nostalgia" tileset]], however, it has been heavily revised. The entire font has been "smoothed over", and many of the symbols changed to more "graphical" representations of the items they represent. An attempt to fill the void of "graphic heavy" tilesets in the 18x18 tile-size. A special emphasis is placed on maximizing the text's readability, while still providing a "graphics enhanced" play area. Special thanks to Maus for the font, and Guybrush for the inspiration.
}}

=== Terbert ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Terbert_10x10.png]]
|author=[[User:Terbert|Terbert]]
|dated=2009-6-30
|size=10×10
|resolution=800×250
|comments=This is Terbert's First tileset
}}

=== Tocky ===

[[Image:Df_tock10_1.PNG|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tocky_square_10x10.png]]
|author=[[User:Tocky|Tocky]]
|dated=2007-11-15
|size=10×10
|resolution=800×250 native, 800×500 for fullscreen.
|comments=I tried to make all the pictographic symbols as descriptive as possible: the only ones I've spotted that show up in odd places are the staircase symbols, '<' and '>', which are used as tags on barrel descriptions, and don't match -- but I'm willing to live with that in order to be able to tell up-stairs from down- ones. With everything else, I just tried to maximize clarity and readability and to keep them consistent. I'm really very pleased with how this set turned out.
}}

=== Turnip ===

[[Image:Rev7.PNG|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Markvii.png]]
|author=[[User:Turnip|Turnip]]
|dated=2009-7-9
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=My revision of Markavian's tileset, made to be more "curvy"
}}

=== Unknown ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tileset_unknown_960x300_02.png]]
|author=Unknown
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=This is a tileset submitted by an unknown user from the IP address 86.43.81.125. 
}}

[[Image:Unknown_12x12.jpg|thumb|right|Unknown 12×12 v2]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Unknown_curses_12x12.png]]
|author=Unknown
|dated=2007-11-24
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=This is very similar to the above tileset, but has some noticeable differences. I have no idea where I got it from. It's great on a 1024x768 CRT monitor in windowed mode. I use it in a 1000x500 window with [BLACKSPACE:YES]. --[[User:JT|JT]]
}}

=== Xenomorph ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Acorntileset8x8.png]]
|author=[[User:Xenomorph|Xenomorph]]
|dated=2008-8-9
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×200
|comments=This is the tileset used by Acorn computers, starting with the BBC Micro. This version is as it would have appeared in 40-column modes (and shuffled a little to adapt it to CP437). It also looks nice at double resolution. [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=407 Download the BMP.]
}}

=== Yayo ===

[[Image:yayo_c64_640x200_screenshot.png|thumb|right|yayo's c64 Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:yayo_c64_640x200.png]]
|author=[[User:Yayo|Yayo]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×200
|comments=Name: Yayo's C64; Based on the charset of the commodore 64. It's a flat style, but it's clean and also highly readable. I recreated all the missing chars like letters with accents and symbols, trying to get a c64 style as much as possible. If it's too small, use the 16×16 version [[#Yayo_2|below]]. :)
}}

[[Image:yayo_tunur_1040x325_screenshot.png|thumb|right|yayo's Tunur Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:yayo_tunur_1040x325.png]]
|author=[[User:Yayo|Yayo]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=13×13
|resolution=1040×325
|comments=Name: Yayo's Tunur; According to the language files of DF, Tunur means "style" in dwarf language. It may require a bit to get used to some symbols, but it's a very clean tileset. (It's just a bit weird. :P)
}}

[[Image:Oreslam_1900x1200_20x20_screenshot.png|thumb|right|yayo's Oreslam Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Oreslam_1920x1200_20x20.png]]
|author=[[User:Yayo|Yayo]]
|dated=2009-09-12
|size=20×20
|resolution=1920×1200
|comments=Name: Yayo's Oreslam; Just like the previous one, this tileset is named according to the dwarf language: or-es-lam means "Large Clear Stone". I decided to create this tileset to fit my usual screen resolution (1920x1200). I tried giving it a clean look. To use it in windowed mode try these settings in the init file: WINDOWEDX:1900, WINDOWEDY:1160, GRID:95:58.}}

=== Zaratustra ===

[[Image:Zara_8x8.jpg|thumb|right|Zaratustra's 8×8 tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_msx.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×200 or 640×400
|comments= The MSX and MSX2 font, shuffled around to fit the char set. Double lines were added.
}}

== 16×16 tilesets ==

The 16×16 tilesets are a subset of square character sets. 16×16 is a frequently used size, as shown by the number of tilesets in this section. This is probably because all of the best creature graphics sets use 16×16 tiles. Those alternate sets for creatures can be found at [[graphics sets]]. '''If your screen is too small for these, turn on BLACK_SPACE!'''

=== Aesomatica ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Aesomatica_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Aesomatica|Aesomatica]]
|dated=2008-11-29
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400 native.
|comments=Tileset intended to build upon [[User:Sphr|Sphr's]] and [[User:Jackard|Jackard's]] work, as well as others. Some tiles are original, some are variants and most are copied from various sets the author found pleasing. Notable originals include the broken bolt/ashes tiles, the ballista heads/large hills, the small hills, the ore (gear animation is pleasing, though axle animation is unimproved), ground tiles, and vermin. Also, bins look decent and up/down stairs look okay. This set looks its best with Sphr's graphics.
}}

=== Anikki ===

[[Image:df_anikki_2.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Anikki_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Anikki|Anikki]]
|dated=2008-7-27
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400 native.
|comments=Based on the original IBM CGA Character set with a lot of tweaks. The characters remain as descriptive yet universal as possible. I chose the CGA set because it is in my opinion the suqare set with the best readability. This set is for those who like the basic ASCII look where every pixel has meaning or (multiple meanings). This is a scaled up version for fullscreen use. [http://www.anikki.com/share/df/Anikki_square_16x16.bmp Download the BMP]
}}

=== Cooz ===

[[Image:Cooz_Tileset_Screenshot.png|thumb|right|Cooz's Tileset]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Cooz_curses_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Cooz|Cooz]]
|dated=2009-2-28
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400 native.
|comments=v1.1 - 3px wide walls and some other tweaks. Based on Klokjammer and Marble Dice tilesets. Some tiles were taken from other sets, some were made from scratch. The aim was to keep feel of default curses font in 16×16 tileset. There's also [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Image:Cooz_curses_square_flat_16x16.png version without shading].
}}

=== Guybrush ===

[[Image:GuybrushScreenshot1.PNG|thumb|right|Guybrush Tileset]]
[[Image:GuybrushScreenshot2.PNG|thumb|right|the wilderness...]]

{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:Guybrush_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]]
|dated=2007-11-15
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A 16×16 tileset based on the very nice Herrbdog's one, and for use with the superb [[Graphics_sets#Dystopian_Rhetoric|Dystopian Rhetoric objects]]. A slightly modified version of Herrbdog's tileset is available below if you want to keep the original ASCII symbols for some objects (just do some cut & paste). It's just a little brighter and with some very slight changes. The tileset shown is a tileset with graphic objects added, for use with Fortress Mode.

I recommend to have a look at the [[color schemes|color schemes page]] to find your favorite color settings. The color scheme I used for the screenshots is [[Color_Schemes#.28Yet.29_Another_scheme|this one]].}}

{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:GuybrushASCII_curses_square_16x16.png]]
|author=Herrbdog, modified by [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Here is the slightly modified version of Herrbdog's tileset which still has all the ASCII characters intact
}}

=== Herrbdog ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Herrbdog_16x16_tileset.gif]]
|author=Herrbdog
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=The 16×16 version of Herrbdog's tileset. Further discussion of herrbdog's tilesets is available in the Bay 12 forums:
http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=000832
}}

=== Inquisitor Saturn ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:MRC_square_16x16.png]]
|author=Inquisitor Saturn
|dated=2008-5-18
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Another 16 by 16 tileset. This one is notable because of the subtle shadowing and a completely original, hand-made font.
}}

=== Kaishaku ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kai-1280x400-v2 7512b5.png]]
|author=Kaishaku
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A square 1280×400 font. Simple and legible. Converted from roarl's 16×16 nethack font, on top of super foul egg's template, extended manually and with ideas from lucida console. This is version 1, created in one morning. Screenshots available [http://kaishaku.org/dwarfort here].
}}

=== Kelora ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kelora_16x16_diagonal.png]]
|author=[[User:Kelora|Kelora]]
|dated=2009-7-26
|size=16×16
|resolution=
|comments=A square tileset using the diagonal wall concept from Belal and others but simplified drastically to improve the appearance. All the walls line up correctly and have consistent widths.
I did not use much of the pretty but confusing art I see in many of the other sets. I tried for a while to incorporate many of these but found that with the multiple uses for most characters they were just wrong far too often to be useful. The only ones that seem to work are the dwarves which I took from Flying Mage / Guybrush. The pretty 3Dish fonts as well just seem to look muddier and be less legible. I love it and my husband has been happily playing it for months.
}}

=== Klokjammer ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kjammer square 16x16 v02.png]]
|author=[[User:Klokjammer|Klokjammer]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Name: ''"Masked Adventurer"'' - after tile (0,4), where '@' used to be. A somewhat abstract version of the original curses square tileset, but with the alpha numeric characters shaped so as not to look distorted. Other symbols are either borrowed from or improved from curses, and some (including the dwarves) were created from the ground up. Alternate variations, are available [[User:Klokjammer#My Tilesets|here]].
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kjammer square 16x16 v00.png]]
|author=[[User:Klokjammer|Klokjammer]]
|dated=2007-10-31
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A "clean" version of the above set, one without any fancy tiles (except for the dwarves).
}}

=== Marble Dice ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Md_curses_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=This tileset attempts to modify the size and aspect ratio of the classic 8x12 terminal/curses font employed by many rougelikes without sacrificing the distinctive character.
}}

=== Nordic Curses ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:DF-Nordic_v1.png]]
|author=[[User:Techhead|Techhead]]
|dated=2009-3-26
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=My first attempt at a unique curses-style tileset with a Nordic Theme. Some characters have been altered.
}}

=== PTTG ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:PTTGV2tiles.png]]
|author=[[User:PTTG|PTTG]]
|dated=2007-11-21
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A new version! Clean, sharp, and clear. All-original, and large size for big screens! Also features coloured indicators for levers, helping to remove the guesswork. It is good stand-alone, or with my [[List of user graphics sets#PTTG|graphics set]].
}}

=== Random832 ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Msgothic.png]]
|author=[[User:Random832]]
|dated=2009-4-22
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×800 etc
|comments=Based on the ＭＳゴシック (MS Gothic) japanese font, with some gaps filled in from the VGA 8x16 font, and some other characters tweaked by hand.
}}

===Red Jack===
{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:Redjack17.png]]
|author=[[User:Jackard|Jackard]]
|dated=2008-7-22
|size=16x16
|resolution=1280x400
|comments=This combines content from other tilesets with Nintendo sprites to give the game a classic dungeon look. ''Note: Bins are hard to see using this tileset because the "bin" tile is also used as the "up/down staircase" tile. [[Tileset_repository#Aesomatica |Aesomatica]] and [[Tileset_repository#Martin|Martin]] improve upon this tileset making the bin tile easier to see.''

[http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7 You may download all variations of this tileset here.]}}

=== Sappho ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Sapphos_square_16x16.png]]
|author=Sappho
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Another square font, target resolution 1280×400. This one is exactly the same as the default font except it has been made square, painstakingly edited to ensure that nothing looks squished.
}}

=== Savok ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Savok_curses_1280x400_517caa.png]]
|author=[[User:Savok|Savok]]
|dated=2008-6-16
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Unsatisfied with any existing tileset, I decided to go about creating my own. Since I can't create from scratch, I had to take tiles from other tilesets and modify them, in an evolution-like manner, until they became how I wanted them. Since most are dramatically different from the tileset I took them from, I believe I can call them original. In the raws, change the tag [TILE:'U'] for humans to [TILE:172]. This changes both the image and corpse of humans to a unique image, which creature graphics cannot do. The elves also get a different tile, [TILE:171]. I plan to make a separate goblin symbol. If you use it and like it, please leave a message for at [[User talk:Savok|my talk page]] or at [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=201 the DFFD page]. This will greatly speed progress, since I won't be doing it just for myself. Note: The [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=201 DFFD version] is updated more frequently and has the changelist.
}}

=== Super Foul Egg ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:SFE_Curses_square_16x16.png]]
|author=Super Foul Egg
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=The font is rough as hell and some of the characters still need attention, but it'll do for now. Since this tileset is for graphics mode I'd rather wait for more complete object support than hack in pictures and gum up the UI. Uppercase from [http://www.zee-3.com/pickfordbros/archive/bitmapfonts.php this site]
}}

=== Tahin ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tahin_16x16_rounded.png]]
|author=[[User:Tahin|Tahin]]
|dated=2007-12-28
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Based on Marble Dice's tileset, above. Smoothed corners are "rounded", which takes some getting used to but look quite nice, in my opinion. I have managed to get all of the standard "L" tiles to fit together nicely, but "T" and "+" don't quite match up. It's not a problem that comes up often, and it still doesn't look that bad, but I'll get to it eventually.
}}

=== Tyrving ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tyr_1280x400.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Tyrving|Tyrving]]
|dated=2008-2-15
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=None of the existing modifications of curses_square satisfied me, so I made my own. The bulk of it is from Klokjammer's set, with the dwarf symbols and @ taken from Sappho's. Quite a few minor alterations have been made, and I feel that it's become distinct enough to release it.
}}

=== Winterwing ===

[[Image:Winterwing_Dfort-tiles-lucon.png|thumb|right|Lucida Console with Dystopian Rhetoric objects]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Winterwing_Curses_16x16_lucon.png]]
|author=[[User:Winterwing|Winterwing]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Like usual, lucida console with cleartype. Creative, huh. :)
}}

=== Yayo ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Yayo_c64_1280x400_83b157.png]]
|author=[[User:Yayo|Yayo]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Name: Yayo's C64; The 16×16 version of Yayo's tileset.
}}

=== Zaratustra ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-11-10
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Because everyone is making one.
}}

== 16×16 tilesets for edited raws==

These tilesets require modified [[raws]] to work properly. Specifically, the tile numbers assigned to some objects (critters, stones, plants) need to be changed and accented characters usually need to be removed from all languages.

=== Belal ===

[[Image:Belal_Example.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Belal_Smooth_Walls.png]]
|author=[[User:Belal|Belal]]
|dated=2009-1-9
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400 native.
|comments=Based on the Mike Mayday tileset and using angled smoothed walls as in [[User:Dorten|Dorten's]] Tileset. I like the look of the walls for doing near circular or honeycomb layouts. [http://mkv25.net/dfma/poi-9935-seethewallshere Example Fort]
}}

=== Flying Mage ===

{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:Flying_Mage_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Flying Mage|Flying Mage]]
|dated=2008-4-12
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A 16×16 tileset based on several other tilesets by various authors. I did some changes because I like some things in different ways, but the base for tileset was made by another users and for this I thankful. List of major and minor changes you can see below. And I hope you'll enjoy this. There is some tiles I really proud of :) 
*[[:Image:Flying_Mage_square_16x16_Major_Changes.png|Major changes]] 
*[[:Image:Flying_Mage_square_16x16_Minor_Changes.png|Minor changes]]
*[[:Image:Flying_Mage_square_16x16_Stone_Type.png|Some ''rough/smoothed/engraved stone'' improvement]]
}}

=== Dwarfletter ===

[[Image:Dwarfletter1.png|thumb|right|Dwarfletter - Stockpile]]


{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:DwarfletterGothic.PNG]]
|author=LordZorinthrox
|dated=2009-7-20
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=[[http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=1205|Download here]] 
;see also
:[[:File:Dwarfletter2.png|Status screen - Font]]
:[[:File:Dwarfletter3.png|Foliage]]
:[[:File:Dwarfletter4.png|Ballista]]
}}

=== Isenhertz ===

[[Image:isenhertz_v2_screenshot.png|thumb|right|Isenhertz's tileset in action.]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:16x16_isenhertz_v2.png]]
|author=[[User:Isenhertz|Isenhertz]]
|dated=2008-7-14
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Impressed with the genius of using sprites as tiles, I cobbled together this tileset of my own. It uses Super Foul Egg's superb font as a base, with several sprites also found in other users' sets. Because a lot of letters are used for graphics, I suggest that you [[User:Jackard|remove accented letters from names]] with this set. I also suggest you shift some items to other icons, such as the coniferous trees (change Pine, Cedar, Larch from 024 to 147), the turtle (change 15 to 151), and Quarry Bush leaves (change from 006 to 003).
V2 now with new graphics for walls and liquids, as well as some other tweaks here and there and a first attempt at using dual-color sprites using a cyan base instead of simple greyscale. (Right now implemented for beds, wood and statues.)
V1 can still be found [[:Image:16x16_isenhertz_v1.png|here]].
}}

=== Lemunde ===
[[Image:Lemunde_Tileset_16x16_Preview.jpg|thumb|right|Lemunde's Tileset.]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lemunde_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Lemunde|Lemunde]]
|dated=2009-9-19
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=This is a modified version of Mike Mayday's/Herrbdog's tileset. It has a more textured feel to the walls and makes heavy use of the new transparency features to make some of the tiles a little more dynamic. You can view a preview map [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-7000-dragonskull here]. I recommend changing the sky settings in the init.txt file to [SKY:176:15:3:0] for a more natural look. Alternatively you can change it to [SKY:170:1:0:0] for a less over-dramatic look.

To take advantage of this tileset's transparency features you'll need the latest '''experimental''' version of Dwarf Fortress, [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=d782bcad4cf74df472df66f2275f1254&topic=40349 0.28.181.40d16]
}}

=== Martin ===

[[Image:Martin_16x16_sample.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Martin_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Martin|Martin]]
|dated=2009-8-8
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=This is a 16x16 tileset based on Redjack and Flying Mage sets (and possible tiles taken from others that I've since lost track of - apologies). Some tiles are original or have been tweaked, mainly to provide a much more subtle background than most. A completely new character set is used to improve legibility, tweaked and anti-aliased for dark backgrounds.

[http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=1316 Download]
[http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-6239-lashedwines Demo fortress at DFMA]
}}

=== SL ===

{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:SL_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:SL]]
|dated=2008-8-3
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=(Requires a download, not just the image) Art based on Flying Mage's, Guybrush's, and previous tilesets in that lineage. Uses ModBase to relocate relocatable art and de-accentify certain accented letters to reduce graphical bizarreness while still improving some art. [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=22154.0 Forum Thread] [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=370 Download] [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-3203-flamespear Demo Fortress Map on the DFMA]
}}

=== Spreggo ===

[[Image:Autonomous_Font_example.png|thumb|right|The Autonomous Font in action.]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Autonomous_Font.png]]
|author=Spreggo
|dated=2009-2-2
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Started off inspired by Belal's diagonal support, and ended up doing almost every tile from scratch. Added different tiles for each type of stone, and new ones for ore, but the matgloss files need to be edited for that functionality(see image details).
}}

=== The-Moon ===

[[Image:SS_moons_square_16x16.PNG|thumb|right]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Moons_square_16x16.PNG]]
|author=[[User:The-Moon|The-Moon]]
|dated=2008-3-24
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Edited Character set of [[User:mikemayday|mikemayday]] and [[User:Jackard|Jackard]]}}

=== Tigrex ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:tigrex3d.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Tigrex|Tigrex]]
|dated=2009-2-22
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=This is my tileset, modified from Dorten's 2d diagonal wall set. It incorporates many original creations of mine, and I hope you like it.}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:tigrex3drunes.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Tigrex|Tigrex]]
|dated=2009-4-10
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=This is a modification of the above, that takes advantage of Norse runes for a more authentic Dwarven experience. CAUTION! This tileset has little practical value, and may induce myopia, blindness, or death.}}

=== Tim's ===

[[Image:example_tims.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tims_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Timmeh|Timmeh]]
|dated=2009-8-12
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A tileset using heavily modified versions of the diagonal walls from Belal's set, a modified version of the floor from Spreggo's set, most of the furniture and objects are from Flying Mage's set, and some various other bits and pieces from other sets. Replaces the black box that normally surrounds the walls with a copy of the floor tile. [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-5740-foresthold Example Fort]
}}

== Non-square tilesets ==

These tilesets are not square. Text in non-square tilesets often looks much better and is often much easier to read than in square tilesets, but the map is distorted.

=== CKY ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[File:Curses_800x600_shade.png]]
|author=[[User:Chinkeeyong|Chinkeeyong]]
|dated=2009-6-11
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×600
|comments=Partially inspired by Eagle of Fire's tiles, below. Essentially, this is the default tileset with a little bevel-style shading around the edges to make it look neater. Also, I fixed the accented 'e' tails to look closer to the standard 'e'.
}}

=== Eagle of Fire ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:eofshaded800x600pb9_f64ded.png]]
|author=[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×600
|comments=Designed for fullscreen. Inspired by Herrbdog's tileset, I created a shaded tileset targeting the default fullscreen 800x600 resolution. Basicaly, you have the exact same "curses" default tileset but with some shading done to the lower right of each letters and items. I've left alone everything which was related to mining or was meant to be plain, for example the smoothered tiles and the plain tiles in the demo. The reason behind that is that I didn't find much logic to have those graphics shaded as they could possibly connect on any direction on the screen, which would make the shading a little strange. Please note that this tileset is only a "beta". I might work on it again if there is enough people who like it and would like improvements. You can discuss the matter [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=000645 here].
}}

=== Inquisitor Saturn ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:MRC_1280x600.png]]
|author=[[User:InquisitorSaturn|Inquisitor Saturn]]
|dated=2008-2-28
|size=16×24
|resolution=1280×600
|comments=Designed for a double-sized window mode. Based on the default set, but more detailed and with a few custom characters. Good for those who want larger characters but enjoy the aesthetics of the default set.
}}

=== Kein ===

[[Image:Kein-curs.gif|thumb|right|Kein's Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kein_640x300.png]]
|author=Kein
|dated=2008-8-9
|size=8×12
|resolution=640×300
|comments=Updated 08/09/09. Updated most characters, the biggest change is the 3d style walls. If you use my set I'd highly recommend [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/List_of_user_graphics_sets#Plac1d Plac1d's character graphic set.] My 640×300, everything completely shaded.
}}

=== Lord Nightmare ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:MDA8x14.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×14
|resolution=640×350
|comments=The original IBM MDA character set, dumped from addresses 0x0000-0x0fff the 5788005 IBM Character Generator ROM. This font is as would be displayed on an EGA/VGA with the 9-pixel-width mode disabled. Best for a 64:35 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 640x480. The MDA card did not actually support displaying the font in 8x14, but ONLY 9x14 mode, see below. Theoretically, you CAN upload this font into EGA video memory though and use it.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:MDA9x14.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=9×14
|resolution=720×350
|comments=The original IBM MDA character set, dumped from addresses 0x0000-0x0fff the 5788005 IBM Character Generator ROM. This font is as would be displayed on a real MDA card (use a black/dkgreen/ltgreen palette for full monochrome effect) or on an EGA/VGA card with the 9-pixel-width mode enabled. Best for a 72:35 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 720x480.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:EGA8x14.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×14
|resolution=640×350
|comments=The IBM EGA character set, dumped from the 6277356 IBM EGA BIOS ROM. This font is as would be displayed on an EGA/VGA with the 9-pixel-width mode disabled. Best for a 64:35 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 640x480. This font is different from the MDA version in that many characters are slightly narrower to avoid 'running into' each other, and many characters have been shifted slightly to the left.
Thanks to Zaratustra for poking me into getting this done, and for related help.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:EGA9x14.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=9×14
|resolution=720×350
|comments=The IBM EGA character set, dumped from the 6277356 IBM EGA BIOS ROM. This font is as would be displayed on an EGA/VGA with the 9-pixel-width mode enabled. Best for a 72:35 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 640x480. This font is actually different from the 8x14 version in that 20 characters have been replaced with the original MDA wide versions. These 'extra' wide characters are sandwiched in between the end of the 8x14 and beginning of the 8×8 font in the EGA BIOS ROM. The changed characters, in ASCII order, are: arrow-left-and-right, '"', '+', '-', 'M', 'T', 'V', 'W', 'X', 'Y', 'Z', 'm', 'v', 'w', 'ae', cent sign, yen, peseta, plus-minus, and division sign. Other than these characters, all characters are the same, with rightmost-row duplicated on the C and D rows like the MDA (though I don't actually know if this is technically correct).
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:VGA8x16.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM?
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×16
|resolution=640×400
|comments=The original? IBM VGA 8x16 character set, (from http://madscientistroom.org/fpga/default-8x16-bram.html) as would be displayed on a VGA card with the 9-pixel-width disabled. Best for an 8:5 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 640x480. This rom has not yet been dumped from a real VGA card, and is coming from a secondary source, so it may be replaced later if I find the real font is different.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord_Nightmare-Fixedsys-02.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/Microsoft
|dated=2007-12-20
|size=8×15
|resolution=640×375
|comments=v2.2 - (v1.0 is [[:Image:Lord_Nightmare-Fixedsys.png|here]]) - Based on Microsoft's Fixedsys font (which dates back to Windows 1.0!), Many glyphs needed redoing by hand since they were absent from the font, since it is an 'ansi' character set and not a code-page 437 one like DF expects. v2.0 Based on Microsoft's Fixedsys font. Updated new glyphs to be more consistent with the Fixedsys style. - v2.1 - update a few more glyphs, namely the integral, the infinity symbol, and the spade, and a few others I'm forgetting. - v2.2 - update the club and spade, and the music notes - v2.3 - fix the fact that 0xF9 and 0xFA were inadvertently swapped.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord_Nightmare-Fixedsys-03.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/Microsoft
|dated=2007-12-20
|size=8×16
|resolution=640×400
|comments=v3.0 - changed font size to 8x16, altered glyphs to respect this. - v3.1 - fix the fact that 0xF9 and 0xFA were inadvertently swapped.
}}

[[Image:Lord_Nightmare_Freehand_screenshot_2b7d67.png|thumb|right|Freehand screenie... ooh, neat! Unreadable.]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord_Nightmare_Freehand_10x16.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare
|dated=2007-12-23
|size=10×16
|resolution=800×400
|comments=v1.0 - A character set drawn entirely in freehand on the tablet PC... with MINIMAL EDITING! Yes, its SUPPOSED to look like that. v1.1 - fixed character 0x02 background (filled smiley), filled in the card suits, minor touch up to the comma, fix black instead of magenta on the greyscale blocks and other tweaks to them, redrew the square block (was 'too clean' before) v1.1a - fixed spade by adding 1 pixel at tip so it doesn't look like another club
}}

[[Image:Lord_Nightmare_Freehand_screenshot_2_05c04b.png|thumb|right|Freehand^2 screenie... ooh, neat! Readable. But ugly.]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord_Nightmare_Freehand^2_10x16.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare
|dated=2008-3-28
|size=10×16
|resolution=800×400
|comments=Freehand^2, v1.2 - A heavily edited version of Freehand, now hopefully less unreadable. V1.2 is the current version, see the image link changelog/older versions.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Vintl01.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/Victor-Sirius
|dated=2007-12-19
|size=10×16
|resolution=800×400
|comments=The Victor 9000/Sirius 1 computer character set, extracted from vintl01.chr.
}}

=== Lumin ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:Lumin_Graphical_1280x800.png|Not shown due to size]]
|author=Lumin
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×32
|resolution=1280×800
|comments=Ideas used from several others on this page. I've also added more detail and color to some objects.
}}

=== Plac1d ===

[[Image:Plac1d_640x300EZ_1.png|thumb|right|Plac1d's Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Plac1d_640x300tileset.png]]
|author=[[User:Plac1d|Plac1d]]
|dated=2008-3-13
|size=8×12
|resolution=640×300
|comments=A tweaked version of [[#Tocky|Tocky's 10×10 tileset]] converted to 8×12. Try using this with my [[List of user graphics sets#Plac1d|graphics set]]!

[http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=63 Download the .BMP]
}}

=== Quietust ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:VGA9x16.png]]
|author=Quietust/IBM?
|dated=2009-7-24
|size=9×16
|resolution=720×400
|comments=The original? IBM VGA 9x16 character set, as would be displayed on a VGA card with the 9-pixel-width enabled.
}}

=== Sergius ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Sleroux_800x300.png]]
|author=Sergius
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×300
|comments=Mostly vanilla tileset, dwarves have graphic from intro [[Utilities#CMVPlayer|Movie]], with some tweaks (for soldiers). I find it helpful for playing (instead of happy faces).
}}

=== Shaja ===

[[Image:Shaja_10-27-09.png|thumb|right|TerminusAliased text]]
[[Image:Shaja_10-13-09.png|thumbnail|right|Terminus24 text]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:TerminusAliased_handedit_gal.png|Not shown due to size]]
|author=[[User:Shaja|Shaja]]
|dated=2008-3-27
|size=20×32
|resolution=1600×800
|comments=Alphanumerics based on Dimitar Zhekov's [http://www.is-vn.bg/hamster/jimmy-en.html Terminus] font with light antialias shading added, walls and some symbols redrawn, others carried over from Thom's 20x32 tileset.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:Terminus24.png|Not shown due to size]]
|author=[[User:Shaja|Shaja]]
|dated=2008-5-19
|size=24×32
|resolution=1920×800
|comments=Revised version of my earlier Terminus 20x32 character set for 1920x800 display.
}}

=== Tae ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:CP850.png]]
|author=Tae/IBM
|dated=2009-9-06
|size=8×14
|resolution=640×350
|comments=The original? IBM VGA 8x16 character set, (from http://madscientistroom.org/fpga/default-8x16-bram.html) as would be displayed on a VGA card with the 9-pixel-width disabled. Best for an 8:5 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 640x480. This rom has not yet been dumped from a real VGA card, and is coming from a secondary source, so it may be replaced later if I find the real font is different. The changed characters, in ASCII order are 'zero', 'at', 'M', 'T', 'V', 'W', 'X', 'Y', 'Z', 'm', 'v', 'w', 'x', 'vertical bar', 'C-cedilla', 'c-cedilla', 'A-ring', 'cent', 'yen', 'E-acute', 'ae ligature', 'peseta', 'florin', 'reversed logical not', 'fractions one half-one quarter', 'selected box drawing characters', 'left-and-right blocks', 'greek alpha, gamma, pi, sigma', 'mu', 'equivalence', 'less-greater or equal', 'top-bottom half integral', 'approximately equal', 'radical root', 'small superscript n'.
}}

=== Taritus ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Curses 640x300diag.png]]
|author=Taritus
|dated=2009-03-23
|size=8×12
|resolution=640×300
|comments=Yuppers. I requested it a long time ago when everyone else was requesting different sized square tilesets with diagonal walls, and nobody ever fulfilled the request. I decided, "Oh, it's not like I have some menial and huge English project that's due tomorrow to work on, I'm going to make that." And I did.--[[User:Taritus|Taritus]] 20:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
}}

=== Thom ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:Curses_24pt_cleartype_ThomModifications.PNG|Not shown due to size]]
|author=Herrbdog
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=20×24
|resolution=1600×800
|comments=Hi res won't slow the game as it doesn't use graphics, so if your monitor can display it, go for it, really... I strongly recommend to enable blackspace in the init: [BLACK_SPACE:YES] Made from the 24pts cleartype lucida console above (from winterwing). I added some stuff (some original, some ideas taken from others tilesets). Basically I try to avoid symbols that are often seen in menus, etc. The main "problem" is the bag, because its the male symbol, but it was too good looking to not put it ;) Hope you enjoy :) . . .Note: Winterwing's tileset is now lost. --[[User:Savok|Savok]]
}}

=== UncleSporky ===

[[Image:UncleSporky_DFTiles1.png|thumb|right|UncleSporky Tileset]]
[[Image:UncleSporky_DFTiles2.png|thumb|right|UncleSporky Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:UncleSporky_curses_800x600.png]]
|author=UncleSporky
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×300
|comments=
}}

=== Xenomorph ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Acorntileset.png]]
|author=[[User:Xenomorph|Xenomorph]]
|dated=2008-8-9
|size=8×16
|resolution=640×400
|comments=This is the tileset used by Acorn computers, starting with the BBC Micro. This version is as it would have appeared in 80-column modes (albeit adapted to CP437). [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=408 Download the BMP.]
}}

=== Zaratustra ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_megazeux2.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×14
|resolution=640×350
|comments=EGA font with added Megazeux modifications.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_custom800x300ca3.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×300, 800×600 (non-reccomended)
|comments=Has an appropriate [http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Object_Tilesets#10x12_version object tileset for v0.23.130.23a (now outdated)].
}}

== Tiny tilesets ==

Sets smaller than 8×8. Used for playing in tiny windows, large grids, display massive maps and perhaps videos.

=== Herrbdog ===

[[Image:Herrbdog_7x7.jpg|thumb|right|herrbdog's 7x7 tileset]]
{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:Herrbdog_7x7_tileset.gif]]
|author=[[User:herrbdog|herrbdog]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=7×7
|resolution=560×175
|comments=
}}

=== Kein ===

[[Image:Kein_400x125.gif|thumb|right|Kein's 5x5]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kein_400x125.png]]
|author=[[User:Kein|Kein]]
|dated=2008-8-7
|size=5×5
|resolution=400×125
|comments=A large 257x257 DFMA world gen map can be found [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-3278-5x5largeworldmap here.]Updated 08/06/08. Changed most text characters as well as some others to 4x4 with blackspace to avoid tiling. Most characters have been revised to be spaced out to be more distinguishable in such a small set. After seeing the dev update earlier today about increasing your view size I decided to create this small font. This has been built completely from scratch, mostly while at work today. I may be making a shaded version in the future. The first image to the right is from the Abeyverse succession game.
}}

=== Lord Nightmare ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord Nightmare 6x6font01.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare
|dated=2007-11-5
|size=6×6
|resolution=480×150
|comments=Made in 5 hours on 11/5/07 (I was bored and dissatisfied with other fonts). Most glyphs are really 5×6, with a seperator column.
}}

[[Image:Nightmare_6x6_v2.jpg|thumb|right|Lord Nightmare's 6x6 v2]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord Nightmare 6x6font02.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare
|dated=2007-11-12
|size=6×6
|resolution=480×150
|comments=Version 2.05. Updated 11/12/07 to de-fuzz uppercase letters, added serifs and clarified lowercase letters, made horizontal spacing consistent throughout character set, fixed one error in the double horizontal-left-right, single-vertical-up-down character, made exclamation points consistent, thinned out question mark and inverse question mark, sharpened sideways stemless arrows, clarified international characters, and clarified some greek letters. Since v2.0: fixed 'i' 'g', fixed Yen symbol, fixed smiley 0x01 to not have an extra line to its right, lowered the period and colon characters, fixed position of 'x'. Thanks to Markavian for ideas on how to improve the font, as well as an occasional character glyph.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord-Nightmare-Terminal-4x6.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/Microsoft
|dated=2008-1-27
|size=4×6
|resolution=320×150
|comments=A DF conversion of the 4x6 variant of Microsoft's 'Terminal' Font. Note that I have left the font entirely alone other than converting it, so several glyphs are indistinguishable from one another!
}}

=== Markavian ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Mkv_curses_480x150.png]]
|author=[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=6×6
|resolution=480×150
|comments=The first version the tiny tileset, superceded by the version below.
}}

[[Image:mark_6x6_v2.jpg|thumb|right|Markavian's 6x6 v2]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Mkv_curses_480x150_v2.png]]
|author=[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=6×6
|resolution=480×150
|comments=My second version of the tiny tileset, for uber small resolution DF, with improved visibility of several symbols.
Available in [http://mkv25.net/showcase/df/mkv_curses%2012x12%20and%206x6%20v2.zip mkv curses 12×12 and 6×6 v2.zip].
}}

=== Terbert ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:terbert_7x7.png]]
|author=[[User:Terbert|Terbert]]
|dated=2009-6-30
|size=7×7
|resolution=560×175
|comments=This is a 7x7 tileset made for overseeing large constructions
}}

=== Zaratustra ===

[[Image:Zara_4x6.jpg|thumb|right|Zaratustra's 4x6]]
[[Image:Zara_5x6.jpg|thumb|right|Zaratustra's 5x6]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_custom_4x6.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=4×6
|resolution=320×150
|comments=
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_custom_5x5.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2008-11-20
|size=5×5
|resolution=400×125, 800×250, 800×500
|comments=
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_custom_5x6.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=5×6
|resolution=400×150, 800×300, 800×600
|comments=
}}

[[Category:Mods]]
[[Category:Interface]]

User talk:3lB33

2009-09-28T13:35:04Z

3lB33: /* Cheese! */

== Cheese! ==

Just wanted to let you know that I laughed so hard I terrified my cat at your image. --[[User:Briess|Briess]] 13:32, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

It's [[Media:DF_Cheese.jpg|destined to be a classic]]. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]]

40d:Cheese maker

2009-09-28T13:20:58Z

3lB33: A dwarf eating cheese

{{Skill
| color = #770
| skill = Cheese Maker
| speciality = Cheese Maker
| profession = [[Farmer]]
| job name = Cheese Making
| workshop = [[Farmer's workshop]]
| tasks =
* Make cheese
}}

'''Cheese makers''' turn [[Cow]] [[milk]], [[Camel]] milk, and [[Dwarven milk]] into cheese at the [[farmer's workshop]]. Since [[skill]] does not produce higher quality cheese, a higly skilled cheese maker is not particularly valuable.

Dwarves with the Cheese Making labor enabled will not build a [[farmer's workshop]]; this requires [[Thresher|Processing Plants]].

Dwarves will not turn milk into cheese unless you allow milk to be cooked in the z-status kitchen subscreen. This obviously causes the milk to be cooked into meals too if cooking is under way at the same time.

Cheese can be eaten as is ("raw") too and seems to vanish at incredible speed from your food stocks.

Cooking ''dwarven'' cheese creates incredibly valuable prepared meals, since dwarven cheese is the most valuable ingredient known (hydra and dragon meat has the same value, but it can't be bought).
[[File:DF_Cheese.jpg|208px|thumb|right|A dwarf eating cheese]]

{{Skills}}
[[Category:Food]]
[[Category:Skills]]
[[Category:Jobs]]

File:DF Cheese.jpg

2009-09-28T13:17:42Z

3lB33: "Ye engraved a picture of yerself... eatin' cow cheese... in me bedroom..." "Aye, what of it?"

"Ye engraved a picture of yerself... eatin' cow cheese... in me bedroom..."
"Aye, what of it?"

40d Talk:Cross-training

2009-09-26T01:19:21Z

3lB33: /* Swimming */

=Pump operator notes=
Not sure the toughness note is really that important. The gym is just used for dwarven stat gains, so dwarves are beefy enough to excell at whatever you throw at them. It scarcely matters how well they pump, just so long as they get to Legendary to be reassigned to the military or something else. I've noticed gym graduates make fantastic hunters for example. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 17:47, 3 November 2008 (EST)

:Well, it makes pump-training far more effective for dwarves that are already tough: they can hit legendary in a season or two, where other dwarves take about a year. So if you have a finite number of dwarves you can spare for training, choose tough ones. Strong ones can be put in plate and made to spar, or turned into siege operators.

:Currently I'm training all my haulers, in shifts. Ones that gain toughness get to keep pumping until they're ready for the military. Strong ones get stone hauling duty. Everyone else gets food, item, or refuse duty.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 20:06, 3 November 2008 (EST)

:: I now give all my haulers the custom profession ''ROTC.'' --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 07:50, 8 November 2008 (EST)

::: I've been trying cross-training, and I'm not really seeing much point at the moment. The thing is, sparring practices three skills ''at the same time'': Armor user, the weapon you're using, and shield user. The gym's rate of stat gain is almost the same as regularly sparring dwarves. And military dwarves are useful for something. [[User:Greep|Greep]] 09:05, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

::::The "point" is several - 1) that some players don't want to put non-Attribute (or at least, non-Tough) dwarves directly into sparring; 2) that some players want military with more than "one-skill-worth" of training attributes under their belts; 3) that some players want to see what the attribute mix is on a dwarf ''before'' allocating to training (vs hauling/etc); and, 4) it's ''cross''-training. Military dwarves aren't useful for anything ''but'' military - that's the "cross" part. There are several suggestions other than pump operator - use them or not - your call. --[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 18:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

:::::Alright, I guess gym training just isn't for me. But as for the one skill worth of attribute training, I thought attributes continued to rise even after legendary + 5. Like an uber miner would eventually gain 16 attributes? That's what the stat page seems to indicate [[User:Greep|Greep]] 06:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

If you make two pumps, one above the other (Y axis, not Z), facing apposing directions, dig 2 channels at each end, making a 2X8 space, you can not only increase toughness and pump operator skill, but get happy [[waterfall]] [[thoughts]]. --[[User:Drunken dwarf|Drunken dwarf]]

=Dwarf Powered Mill notes=
Actually, it is better not to cook seeds. As seeds have quantity cap at 200 seeds for each plant, milling will not produce seeds after you hit the cap. It saves a visible amount of food hauler's work. [[User:Denspb|Denspb]] 02:58, 25 February 2009 (EST)

== Managing ==

Assigning a dwarf to manager may be even better than clerking. I had two useless dwarves. Assigned one to clerk, another to manager+broker. Disabled hauling jobs for the manager. I then went to the manager screen and queued up a full screen of "Make Soap x30." I chose soap because I don't even have an alchemist's workshop and I didn't want any jobs assigned to existing workshops and disrupting work flow. I lost track of how many times I had to go back in and cancel/re-issue the soap orders. The manager reached legendary while the clerk was still a pathetic high master. I didn't measure steps, but their offices and bedrooms were all very close together, should be around 5-10 steps difference for each dwarf to go get food/drink.

Other factors:
 -Clerk has a husband (no kids), manager is single
 -Clerk went on break at least once
 -Hauling was still enabled for the clerk, not sure if she did any jobs though
 -At the beginning, Clerk had no skills, Manager had Normal Skill Wood Carving (not much good on my treeless map)
 -Manager met with human diplomat and traded at depot during training

--[[User:Mjo625|Mjo625]] 17:18, 2 March 2009 (EST)

== Chit-chatting ==

Having no meeting halls (well rooms, statue gardens etc) at all, and just having a single 1x1 meeting area REALLY boosted my haulers stats. I might not be the most efficient assigner of work orders, but some of the time most of my haulers were out of work and just spent their time at the meeting area chatting. I had a lot of proficient-or-higher in EVERY social skill within a couple of years. This might be an exploit. Thoughts? [[User:Tardface|Tardface]] 22:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

: Yes and no. Chatting dwarfs make friends... and if some dies... Well, you'll have a nice domino effect. Dwarf don't like to lose friends. --[[User:Karl|Karl]] 23:12, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

:: So, dwarves will actually be happier overall if you don't let them have any friends? :) [[User:Tardface|Tardface]] 23:15, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

:::In the long-run (which inevitably includes many random deaths) yes.. very much so. Rather few, are the fortresses that can survive a death among legendary haulers, and fewer still are those than can survive several. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 21:06, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

::::Not really. Random deaths are not exactly inevitable unless you want them to be, and party forts are pretty resilient when it comes to a couple odd deaths: everyone is racking up "talked to a friend lately" thoughts like crazy, so even if a few deaths push them down to miserable they will bounce back up to ecstatic in about a minute. The danger is that if you have more than a couple of deaths at once, the immediate surge in unhappiness may cause spontaneous insanity, which will lead to more deaths... [[User:Rpb|Rpb]] 11:09, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Thoughts don't stack on themselves, so you can only get one "talked to a friend recently" thought at one time. The wisdom of having dwarves too busy to make friends is still the best, hands down. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 16:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== Swimming ==

Has anybody considered stationing dwarves in an area with 4/7 water, thus giving them skill in swimming? Beds could be constructed in this area prior, turned into a barracks and if a food/booze stockpile is placed there aswell, the dwaves could be locked in there and would then perform all the normal sparring activities while at the same time constantly gaining swimming skill. --[[User:Overspeculated|Overspeculated]] 00:13, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:I successfully trained dwarfs in 7/7 water before. I filled a 5x5 space one z level down from a 15x15 statue garden with water and surrounded with ramps. Although the dwarfs frequently fell in, they were never far away from the sides and thus never drowned. (Although a cow managed to drown there and create quite a funk with the miasma since no one would wade in to dump the corpse--I'm still not sure how that happened since the dwarfs had no problem with it.) [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 01:19, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Tileset repository

2009-09-24T14:18:38Z

3lB33: /* Length, and how we can decrease it */ Revisiting this issue

==Tilesets requiring edited raws==

I'm noticing more and more tilesets on the list which require edited raws, in most cases they require the raws from DFG. Shouldn't those be separated to prevent confusion among newbies? They are likely to try these tilesets with an unmodded DF and get frustrated. --[[User:Mikemayday|Mikemayday]] 00:07, 21 September 2009 (GMT)
:I agree, those heavily edited tilesets should be seperated, preferably with a link to the matching raws. --[[User:Pugi|Pugi]] 10:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks Mike for doing this, this explains some of the confusion I had with others (I knew yours required RAW mining, but not the others.) My only problem is that many of the others don't seem to have any explanation of which RAWs to change. Anyone know of any links? [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 14:15, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

== Mac user ==

Can these tilesets be used on a mac as well?

* Yes. I'm using them right now. --[[User:Bombcar|Bombcar]] 19:12, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

== Tiny tilesests ==

<blockquote>
''Sets smaller than 8x8. Used for playing in tiny windows, '''display of massive maps''' and perhaps videos.''
</blockquote>

I thought it wasnt possible to change the size of the map (number of tiles rendered on screen), am I wrong or does the author mean display of maps '''outside''' the game? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 21:09, 4 November 2007 (EST)

:I imagine the only current use is in exporting bitmaps from the game. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 15:30, 14 November 2007 (EST)
::I've used one of 'em to hide a DF window on my work computer, and they're fun to use at 4x size,too. But yeah, they make real nice maps. --[[User:Maus|Maus]] 09:10, 18 December 2007 (EST)
:::Note that it's now possible to change the 80x25 in the init file.--[[User:Bombcar|Bombcar]] 19:13, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Can anyone say PocketPC Dwarf Fortress? I imagine with a low popcap and a 3x3 or less area, it wouldn't be too bad on most PDAs out there. Now, if only someone would port the code... --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:40, 8 January 2008 (EST)

== Page Split ==

There are too many character sets on this one page, I propose splitting the page into twopages:
* one for 'classic' code page 437 fonts/glyph sets/character sets with no graphical characters whatsoever
* one for 'semigraphical' character sets which have one or more of the normal glyphs replaced with a df-specific graphic (a barrel instead of the division sign, for instance) - [[User:Lord Nightmare|Lord Nightmare]] 19:18, 9 December 2007 (EST)

:I disagree; there's no reason to split content into two different areas when it's already easily comparable and all in one place. --[[User:Maus|Maus]] 09:12, 18 December 2007 (EST)

== Why png? ==

If they all have to be resaved as bmp, why the heck are they uploaded as png? These are small files, you're not saving significant disk or bandwidth by keeping them in png. This is particularly irritating since I can't seem to get any of these to work even after resaving/converting them -.- --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 14:14, 20 February 2008 (EST)

:If you're not just renaming the files, then your problem isn't with the files being .png format. Making an exception to [[DwarfFortressWiki:Community_Portal|Rule I]] would only cause confusion as there are many images that are quite large indeed. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 15:32, 20 February 2008 (EST)

::No, it's not just a rename, I'm going into GIMP and doing a Save as... The file size changes, so it's doing SOMETHING, but when I go to use the font the screen comes up blank (but if I hit down twice and enter, I still exit, so everything works, there's just no display.) I hadn't seen the style guide/list, however, so that's fair enough. I'll post on the message boards and see if I can troubleshoot there. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 16:58, 20 February 2008 (EST)

:::Simple solution: Open the image in MSPaint and save as a 24-bit BMP. If you don't have Windows, then you should have enough computer savvy to do it in whatever program you choose.
:::Also, bmps cannot be uploaded to the wiki.
:::Furthermore, we do actually save significant page size. If those were all bitmaps, that would be a few megabytes, which is annoying to load. Converting to png makes it only a couple hundred kilobytes. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:59, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

== Length, and how we can decrease it ==

This page is the twelfth longest page in the wiki. Ten of the eleven pages longer than it are lists. It has forty tilesets, less than a third of which are at all good. This is obviously a problem – sludging through all forty of those is not at all fun and, for most of it, not at all useful. 
As a fix, I propose that we copy this page to "Full list of user character sets" and keep only the best fifteen (or maybe ten or maybe twenty) here. Of course, that brings up the difficult question "how do we determine which tilesets are best?" To determine that, we could try getting as many DF players as we can to tell us which tileset(s) they use. Of course, that would need some rules, a forum thread, etc. 
I'll write more about this later, assuming that some interest exists. The time is late and sleepiness impedes thought. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 00:53, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

:To solve [[User:Nunix|Nunix's]] '''Why png?''' problem and to determine the popularity, I suggest we upload all tilesets to [http://dffd.wimbli.com/index.php Dwarf Fortress File Depot] in .bmp format (so nobody have to convert images from .png anymore). Dwarf Fortress File Depot has download trackers for all its downloads. The end of the week, we can determine the 15 most popular based on the download count. Anybody interested can compare the download numbers and edit the 15 best list for the wiki anytime they feel like it to keep it updated often.
:The current tileset Template will need a '''download''' bit added to it as well. [[User:Plac1d|Plac1d]] 17:01, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

::That could work...
::*downloads his tileset fifty times*
::I don't think it would work at all. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:59, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

::What about making one sub page per tile set. Classify each with 'size', 'shape' and 'style'. Use categories to navigate. Have each character set include a 64x64 pixel chunk of the screen - of these, then use gallery tags to browse with links to the sub page. The why png and link and supporting information for downloads is not a bad idea, but given the small DF playing population, the downloads are likely to be very skewed and cutting off at 15 may remove some very good ones that people have already downloaded and don't see a need to download again. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 17:52, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

:::I don't think that the tilesets & tileset descriptions are large enough to warrant that. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:59, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Hmn. Perhaps, we could ask all the dwarves on this wiki to submit a list of their top 20 tilesets, roughly in order of preference. If we get consensus on the best ones, that could work. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:32, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

: What about splitting the tilesets into separate pages by size, e.g. a page for all 16x16s, another for 12x12s, etc? About favorite tilesets, I could barely name my favorite three, so I think picking a favorite 15 or 20 is a bit extreme, and I don't think we can rely on download counts or people just happening to vote, unless we specifically say that voting is going to determine something. '''So''', what do you think about this idea: First, ask forum-goers to nominate user character sets for archiving (removal to an archive page). Second, after the nomination period is over (say, a week), upload those to the file depot, link to the pages, and give forum-goers a month or so to vote down the character sets they want archived, and to vote up ones they don't want archived. At the end of that time we can check their ratings and archive the lowest-rated ones. --[[User:SL|SL]] 01:37, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

::I think that splitting the tilesets by size into subpages could be handy: Resolution is a key factor in determining usability of a tileset. For instance, I'd never need to use a 48x48 tileset by a user named "AAAAAAAAA", but in our current sorting system, that'd be the first one displayed on the page, for all to see. I must however raise a question about the direction this line of discussion has gone: Do we really want to prune content based on some standard of quality? If so, whose standard of quality? The problems with this page seem to arise from the fact that this page is unusual for a wiki: It's goal doesn't seem to be "disseminate information" as much as "Host tilesets for download". Which is a valuable service, granted, but an unusual shift for a wiki. This different focus in purpose should be considered before deciding to begin pruning. An excess of content and options is arguably a good thing.[[User:Teeto K|Teeto K]] 05:53, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

Now that we have many different subsections here perhaps it's time we took those subsections into separate pages with this page as the central navigation point to those other pages? Would that help? It might be useful so that way each subsection can have whatever explanations are required here, thus important distinctions such as with the tilesets that need different RAWs will be noticed before someone dives into the repository. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 14:18, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

== Page name ==

<code>List of user character sets</code> is long and unnecessarily wordy. I propose <code>List of tilesets</code>. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:32, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
:Sounds like a good idea. Seconded. [[User:Isenhertz|Isenhertz]] 07:41, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== New grid sizes ==

Will someone please explain to me how I can make a 960x300 (Markavian's) tileset work with the new grid sizes larger than 80:25? 96:60 used to work until I tried to us .40c, now it doesn't. --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 18:38, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
:Oops I had forgotten to change the size in the init to
[WINDOWEDX:1152]

[WINDOWEDY:720]

[FONT:mkv_solidcurses_960x300.bmp]

and

[GRID:96:60]
--[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 18:41, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

== Problem with Fullscreen ==
I changed the fullscreen settings in my init to 1280x400 like Aesomatica's 16x16 tileset says, but every time I start DF it gives me a 'Mode changed failed, switching to windowed' error, with or without blackspace. How do I get it to run full? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 16:27, 2 March 2009 (EST)

:Edit: Checking several different tilesets, for some reason none of them want to work fullscreen other than curses.. I'm wondering if I screwed something up, or if I still just need different measurements.. D: --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 17:20, 2 March 2009 (EST)

::Edit 2: Nevermind, I figured out the problem and now I just feel like a doofus for not recognizing it sooner :p To those who also end up with this problem, here is the solution: you have to set the fullscreen resolution to one your monitor can actually support. Matching the listed res is nice if it works cause it makes everything big and easy to see without stretching it if you have black space off, but if your monitor can't go to 400 Y for example, then you should just go to your current desktop res (in my case 1280x1024) and turn black space on.. Tweak to taste. I'm certain others can clarify this better, though :) --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 17:47, 2 March 2009 (EST)

== Tileset Transparency ==
So, I learned that 0.28.181.40d11 (And possibly earlier versions) supports png format files natively. I know that pngs support an alpha layer (transparency). I tested how transparency works in 40d11 and was quite pleased with the results. Basically, when you add an alpha layer to the png, the magenta color is no longer considered the 'transparent' color, but this allows you to add shading to the transparent color, like for barrels (which has a black normal color and a brown background color). So, white to black shades the normal color, alpha to black shades the background color. Just wanted to share! [[User:Belathus|Belathus]] 07:23, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
:I tried dabbling with this recently ("dabbling tileset artist" ftw!) but I haven't been able to get pngs to work at all. The game simply doesn't load. Is there a link to any discussions on the Bay12 forums about this? I tried searching but didn't find anything there [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
::I see now what I was doing wrong. Belathus was referring to early release 11 which is part of an open-source project towards using OpenGL as the DF graphics engine, which should allow PNGs. They are now up to 16 now and the testing is being managed by [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=40349.405 Baughn on the forums]. Depending on the success of the testing, Toady One might put it into the next version, but people need to help test it. So go there and help dammit!! [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 01:48, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

==Standard preview==
I can't seem to find it anywhere, but where is the fort many of you have been using for a standard preview? I'm talking about the one pictured in Lord Nightmare, Markavian, Zaratustra, and Herrbdog's previews. I feel a bit out of place with my tilesets and no direct means of comparison. --[[User:Kein|Kein]] 15:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

==Adding a date field==
Some of these entries are quite old, dating back to the ol' Boatmurdered days. Many more are based on the old classics, and generally say so, but right now it's hard to find the difference between a new entry and an old one. Someone, (ok, me) should find the date stamps on the graphics and add it to the description. Barring any objections, I'll start adding them tomorrow... --[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 01:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Tileset repository

2009-09-24T14:15:57Z

3lB33: /* Tilesets requiring edited raws */

==Tilesets requiring edited raws==

I'm noticing more and more tilesets on the list which require edited raws, in most cases they require the raws from DFG. Shouldn't those be separated to prevent confusion among newbies? They are likely to try these tilesets with an unmodded DF and get frustrated. --[[User:Mikemayday|Mikemayday]] 00:07, 21 September 2009 (GMT)
:I agree, those heavily edited tilesets should be seperated, preferably with a link to the matching raws. --[[User:Pugi|Pugi]] 10:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks Mike for doing this, this explains some of the confusion I had with others (I knew yours required RAW mining, but not the others.) My only problem is that many of the others don't seem to have any explanation of which RAWs to change. Anyone know of any links? [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 14:15, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

== Mac user ==

Can these tilesets be used on a mac as well?

* Yes. I'm using them right now. --[[User:Bombcar|Bombcar]] 19:12, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

== Tiny tilesests ==

<blockquote>
''Sets smaller than 8x8. Used for playing in tiny windows, '''display of massive maps''' and perhaps videos.''
</blockquote>

I thought it wasnt possible to change the size of the map (number of tiles rendered on screen), am I wrong or does the author mean display of maps '''outside''' the game? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 21:09, 4 November 2007 (EST)

:I imagine the only current use is in exporting bitmaps from the game. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 15:30, 14 November 2007 (EST)
::I've used one of 'em to hide a DF window on my work computer, and they're fun to use at 4x size,too. But yeah, they make real nice maps. --[[User:Maus|Maus]] 09:10, 18 December 2007 (EST)
:::Note that it's now possible to change the 80x25 in the init file.--[[User:Bombcar|Bombcar]] 19:13, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Can anyone say PocketPC Dwarf Fortress? I imagine with a low popcap and a 3x3 or less area, it wouldn't be too bad on most PDAs out there. Now, if only someone would port the code... --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:40, 8 January 2008 (EST)

== Page Split ==

There are too many character sets on this one page, I propose splitting the page into twopages:
* one for 'classic' code page 437 fonts/glyph sets/character sets with no graphical characters whatsoever
* one for 'semigraphical' character sets which have one or more of the normal glyphs replaced with a df-specific graphic (a barrel instead of the division sign, for instance) - [[User:Lord Nightmare|Lord Nightmare]] 19:18, 9 December 2007 (EST)

:I disagree; there's no reason to split content into two different areas when it's already easily comparable and all in one place. --[[User:Maus|Maus]] 09:12, 18 December 2007 (EST)

== Why png? ==

If they all have to be resaved as bmp, why the heck are they uploaded as png? These are small files, you're not saving significant disk or bandwidth by keeping them in png. This is particularly irritating since I can't seem to get any of these to work even after resaving/converting them -.- --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 14:14, 20 February 2008 (EST)

:If you're not just renaming the files, then your problem isn't with the files being .png format. Making an exception to [[DwarfFortressWiki:Community_Portal|Rule I]] would only cause confusion as there are many images that are quite large indeed. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 15:32, 20 February 2008 (EST)

::No, it's not just a rename, I'm going into GIMP and doing a Save as... The file size changes, so it's doing SOMETHING, but when I go to use the font the screen comes up blank (but if I hit down twice and enter, I still exit, so everything works, there's just no display.) I hadn't seen the style guide/list, however, so that's fair enough. I'll post on the message boards and see if I can troubleshoot there. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 16:58, 20 February 2008 (EST)

:::Simple solution: Open the image in MSPaint and save as a 24-bit BMP. If you don't have Windows, then you should have enough computer savvy to do it in whatever program you choose.
:::Also, bmps cannot be uploaded to the wiki.
:::Furthermore, we do actually save significant page size. If those were all bitmaps, that would be a few megabytes, which is annoying to load. Converting to png makes it only a couple hundred kilobytes. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:59, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

== Length, and how we can decrease it ==

This page is the twelfth longest page in the wiki. Ten of the eleven pages longer than it are lists. It has forty tilesets, less than a third of which are at all good. This is obviously a problem – sludging through all forty of those is not at all fun and, for most of it, not at all useful. 
As a fix, I propose that we copy this page to "Full list of user character sets" and keep only the best fifteen (or maybe ten or maybe twenty) here. Of course, that brings up the difficult question "how do we determine which tilesets are best?" To determine that, we could try getting as many DF players as we can to tell us which tileset(s) they use. Of course, that would need some rules, a forum thread, etc. 
I'll write more about this later, assuming that some interest exists. The time is late and sleepiness impedes thought. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 00:53, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

:To solve [[User:Nunix|Nunix's]] '''Why png?''' problem and to determine the popularity, I suggest we upload all tilesets to [http://dffd.wimbli.com/index.php Dwarf Fortress File Depot] in .bmp format (so nobody have to convert images from .png anymore). Dwarf Fortress File Depot has download trackers for all its downloads. The end of the week, we can determine the 15 most popular based on the download count. Anybody interested can compare the download numbers and edit the 15 best list for the wiki anytime they feel like it to keep it updated often.
:The current tileset Template will need a '''download''' bit added to it as well. [[User:Plac1d|Plac1d]] 17:01, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

::That could work...
::*downloads his tileset fifty times*
::I don't think it would work at all. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:59, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

::What about making one sub page per tile set. Classify each with 'size', 'shape' and 'style'. Use categories to navigate. Have each character set include a 64x64 pixel chunk of the screen - of these, then use gallery tags to browse with links to the sub page. The why png and link and supporting information for downloads is not a bad idea, but given the small DF playing population, the downloads are likely to be very skewed and cutting off at 15 may remove some very good ones that people have already downloaded and don't see a need to download again. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 17:52, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

:::I don't think that the tilesets & tileset descriptions are large enough to warrant that. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:59, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Hmn. Perhaps, we could ask all the dwarves on this wiki to submit a list of their top 20 tilesets, roughly in order of preference. If we get consensus on the best ones, that could work. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:32, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

: What about splitting the tilesets into separate pages by size, e.g. a page for all 16x16s, another for 12x12s, etc? About favorite tilesets, I could barely name my favorite three, so I think picking a favorite 15 or 20 is a bit extreme, and I don't think we can rely on download counts or people just happening to vote, unless we specifically say that voting is going to determine something. '''So''', what do you think about this idea: First, ask forum-goers to nominate user character sets for archiving (removal to an archive page). Second, after the nomination period is over (say, a week), upload those to the file depot, link to the pages, and give forum-goers a month or so to vote down the character sets they want archived, and to vote up ones they don't want archived. At the end of that time we can check their ratings and archive the lowest-rated ones. --[[User:SL|SL]] 01:37, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

::I think that splitting the tilesets by size into subpages could be handy: Resolution is a key factor in determining usability of a tileset. For instance, I'd never need to use a 48x48 tileset by a user named "AAAAAAAAA", but in our current sorting system, that'd be the first one displayed on the page, for all to see. I must however raise a question about the direction this line of discussion has gone: Do we really want to prune content based on some standard of quality? If so, whose standard of quality? The problems with this page seem to arise from the fact that this page is unusual for a wiki: It's goal doesn't seem to be "disseminate information" as much as "Host tilesets for download". Which is a valuable service, granted, but an unusual shift for a wiki. This different focus in purpose should be considered before deciding to begin pruning. An excess of content and options is arguably a good thing.[[User:Teeto K|Teeto K]] 05:53, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

== Page name ==

<code>List of user character sets</code> is long and unnecessarily wordy. I propose <code>List of tilesets</code>. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:32, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
:Sounds like a good idea. Seconded. [[User:Isenhertz|Isenhertz]] 07:41, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== New grid sizes ==

Will someone please explain to me how I can make a 960x300 (Markavian's) tileset work with the new grid sizes larger than 80:25? 96:60 used to work until I tried to us .40c, now it doesn't. --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 18:38, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
:Oops I had forgotten to change the size in the init to
[WINDOWEDX:1152]

[WINDOWEDY:720]

[FONT:mkv_solidcurses_960x300.bmp]

and

[GRID:96:60]
--[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 18:41, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

== Problem with Fullscreen ==
I changed the fullscreen settings in my init to 1280x400 like Aesomatica's 16x16 tileset says, but every time I start DF it gives me a 'Mode changed failed, switching to windowed' error, with or without blackspace. How do I get it to run full? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 16:27, 2 March 2009 (EST)

:Edit: Checking several different tilesets, for some reason none of them want to work fullscreen other than curses.. I'm wondering if I screwed something up, or if I still just need different measurements.. D: --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 17:20, 2 March 2009 (EST)

::Edit 2: Nevermind, I figured out the problem and now I just feel like a doofus for not recognizing it sooner :p To those who also end up with this problem, here is the solution: you have to set the fullscreen resolution to one your monitor can actually support. Matching the listed res is nice if it works cause it makes everything big and easy to see without stretching it if you have black space off, but if your monitor can't go to 400 Y for example, then you should just go to your current desktop res (in my case 1280x1024) and turn black space on.. Tweak to taste. I'm certain others can clarify this better, though :) --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 17:47, 2 March 2009 (EST)

== Tileset Transparency ==
So, I learned that 0.28.181.40d11 (And possibly earlier versions) supports png format files natively. I know that pngs support an alpha layer (transparency). I tested how transparency works in 40d11 and was quite pleased with the results. Basically, when you add an alpha layer to the png, the magenta color is no longer considered the 'transparent' color, but this allows you to add shading to the transparent color, like for barrels (which has a black normal color and a brown background color). So, white to black shades the normal color, alpha to black shades the background color. Just wanted to share! [[User:Belathus|Belathus]] 07:23, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
:I tried dabbling with this recently ("dabbling tileset artist" ftw!) but I haven't been able to get pngs to work at all. The game simply doesn't load. Is there a link to any discussions on the Bay12 forums about this? I tried searching but didn't find anything there [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
::I see now what I was doing wrong. Belathus was referring to early release 11 which is part of an open-source project towards using OpenGL as the DF graphics engine, which should allow PNGs. They are now up to 16 now and the testing is being managed by [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=40349.405 Baughn on the forums]. Depending on the success of the testing, Toady One might put it into the next version, but people need to help test it. So go there and help dammit!! [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 01:48, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

==Standard preview==
I can't seem to find it anywhere, but where is the fort many of you have been using for a standard preview? I'm talking about the one pictured in Lord Nightmare, Markavian, Zaratustra, and Herrbdog's previews. I feel a bit out of place with my tilesets and no direct means of comparison. --[[User:Kein|Kein]] 15:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

==Adding a date field==
Some of these entries are quite old, dating back to the ol' Boatmurdered days. Many more are based on the old classics, and generally say so, but right now it's hard to find the difference between a new entry and an old one. Someone, (ok, me) should find the date stamps on the graphics and add it to the description. Barring any objections, I'll start adding them tomorrow... --[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 01:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Cheese maker

2009-09-24T14:05:23Z

3lB33:

Blessed are the Cheese Makers

I think we should include that hillarious pic of an engraving of a dwarf eating cheese next to the spot where it says that cheese will "vanish at incredible speed from your food stocks." Are there any copyright issues with snatching it from [http://1d4chan.org/wiki/File:DF_Cheese.jpg 4Chan]? [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 14:05, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Dwarf Fortress Wiki talk:Improvement Drive

2009-09-23T13:41:24Z

3lB33: /* Advertisements */

== Advertisements ==
Instead of pursuing this kind of thing, why not go with paypal and ask for donation? I'm curious, why are you forking that much money for a simple wiki ? 60$ a month seems a lot. Could you provide stats about bandwidth usage and stuff like that ? --[[User:Karl|Karl]] 22:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I'd rather not ask for donation, as I feel if the ads are focused properly, they shouldn't be too intrusive and more than cover the bills. Also, we have the issue that since this is on my company's server, the hosting provider is technically the company I co-own; as that is the case, donations to a company raise all kinds of weird legal issues that I'd rather not spend time trying to figure out. Ad units are legally able to be accounted as "revenues," so it makes it significantly simpler to just go with that. If I had a cheaper server that could handle the load, sure, I would move it there - unfortunately, I tried that, which resulted in about an hour of downtime yesterday. Oops.

Once my company is making enough money that it's no longer draining money from my savings (and is paying me, instead of me paying it), I'll gladly and quite quickly drop the ads.

Server usage statistics:
*3gb downstream / day used on average (peak: 3.3gb)
*322mb upstream / day used on average (peak 7.4gb, but I was uploading some stuff not related to the wiki)<
*Apache stats: (only the wiki is using Apache, and it's set to manage new instances of apache based on load)
*Average: 7 instances of Apache running at 2.0% processor utilization each, 20 mb of memory each
*Peak: 22 instances of Apache running at 3.2% processor utilization each, 23 mb of memory each

The above are moving averages. [[User:Briess|Briess]] 23:12, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:Do you have any stats on, the amount of traffic from wikignomes like me who hang around and mess with articles, vs n00bs the wiki actually thinks it is here to help? I guess that "logged-in vs IP" would be the easiest stat to look at, how much that gets rid of editors who don't automatically log in I don't know.
:Re: the adds, I personally find it funny to get ads for real-world "Rock Retaining Walls" by visiting a wiki about a game in which your @'s build, rock retaining walls. How to target that is an amusing problem for someone. The ads don't bother me at all though - but obviously no adds would be nicer.
:Maybe if you disabled the ads for users with more than.... 500 edits (ie, me!)?
:I'm all for a project to improve articles BTW, sign me up.[[User:GarrieIrons|Gar]][[User Talk:GarrieIrons|rie]] 03:46, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
:: I don't have access to stats like that, as unfortunately Mediawiki was not designed with that level of logging detail in mind. Best I can do is estimated time on pages in particular namespaces. [[User:Briess|Briess]] 05:57, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

: did you tweak your appache setting so you could use maybe a bit less bandwidth ? Mainly compression on the fly ? Else... I was looking at some redundant template, like the rocks template, you have ~700bytes of inline CSS. Not a lot by itself, but every bytes count when you want to save bandwidth. It could be easy to add classes and CSS rules in a file that will be cached anyway. There's some compression tools for Javascript and CSS files that could give you a couple kbytes too. --[[User:Karl|Karl]] 11:29, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
::Karl's got a good point, I just looked at the site stats using YSlow and noticed a few things that might help and should be easy (in theory) to do: 1. Add expires headers: this means that browsers won't be constantly reloading files that aren't changed much like many of the graphics files and script files. Having an expiration date of about a week or two is often enough to drastically improve bandwidth. 2. Compress components with gzip (or deflate.) This is easy to do in IIS but I don't know how easy it is to do in Apache; I've only dabbled in Apache before. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 13:41, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

== Non-vanilla ==

o Should we include a link to Mayday's graphical compilation on the main page? The default tileset can be more than intimidating for some.

The problem is that MM's download is far from vanilla, and conflicts rear up regularly with newbies who have downloaded that and then refer to this wiki - which isn't the same interface in many respects. If we were to do something like that, we'd want to approach it with those problems in mind.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 23:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

* Makes sense. The only gameplay differences I can recall off the top of my head are the stone control mod and the 'cat cancels store item in stockpile: too injured' 'fix'. What other changes are there that we would need to account for? [[User:Briess|Briess]] 23:30, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

== Verify this ==
* Verify Time! 
o Category:Verify has a lot of stuff we need to verify.
To "verify" sometimes requires "more research", and sometimes that research is either obscure, time consuming, random, tedious or a combination of the above. Do we need it? Yeah. Are we excited about it?... <looks around>--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 23:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
* True. Once I get a few upgraded wiki modules up though, I'll probably start cracking at it. [[User:Briess|Briess]] 23:29, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

40d:Status icons

2009-09-10T17:07:45Z

3lB33: /* Non-flashing */ these tiles apply to non-dwarfs as well

'''Status icons''' are symbols that flash when a creature is under a certain effect. When a creature has multiple status icons, they will flash in succession.

{{Tile|☺|rgb(256,0,0)|rgb(0,0,0)}}
flashes to...
* {{Tile|☺|rgb(128,0,0)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''[[Legendary]]:''' The dwarf has a skill that has reached Legendary level. Take care of these fellows.

* {{Tile|X|rgb(128,128,128)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''[[Immigration|Migrant]]:''' The dwarf has just arrived at your fortress and is still getting used to the place. They won't do any jobs while in this state, which doesn't last long.

* {{Tile|?|rgb(0,256,256)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''No Job:''' The creature has no job and no destination. Tame animals will get this while they are being dragged to a [[restraint]], [[cage]], or [[butcher's shop]].

* {{Tile|?|rgb(256,0,0)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''No Destination:''' The creature has a job, but no destination. They get this when you shut a door on their faces. Also momentarily flashes when they first get a job.

* {{Tile|-|rgb(0,256,0)|rgb(0,0,0)}}{{Tile|\|rgb(0,256,0)|rgb(0,0,0)}}{{Tile|<nowiki>|</nowiki>|rgb(0,256,0)|rgb(0,0,0)}}{{Tile|/|rgb(0,256,0)|rgb(0,0,0)}}{{Tile|-|rgb(0,256,0)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''Multiple Creatures:''' More than one creature is on the same tile. The game will switch between them using this animated line.

* {{Tile|↓|rgb(128,128,0)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''Hungry:''' Dwarf needs [[food]] badly.

* {{Tile|↓|rgb(0,0,256)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''Thirsty:''' The creature needs [[water]] or [[alcohol]].

* {{Tile|↓|rgb(128,128,128)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''Drowsy:''' The dwarf wants [[sleep]].

* {{Tile|↓|rgb(256,0,0)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''Unhappy:''' The dwarf's unhappy thoughts are piling up. Not a good sign for a fortress, as this can lead to tantrums.

* {{Tile|Z|rgb(128,128,128)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''[[Sleep|Sleeping]]:''' This dwarf is not going to be productive, and the object it is sleeping on will have an effect on its mood. A dwarf is considered unconscious while sleeping and has all the effects thereof, but not the unconsciousness icon.

* {{Tile|!|rgb(255,255,255)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''[[Strange mood|Fey Mood]]:''' The dwarf will find a workshop, get materials, and make an artifact. After this, it will have a skill increase to [[Legendary]], along with attributes. If it cannot find the required workshop or items, it will wait until it goes insane, berserk, or melancholy.

* {{Tile|!|rgb(256,0,256)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''Possessed:''' The same thing as [[fey mood]], but without the skill increase.

* {{Tile|!|rgb(192,192,192)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''Secretive Mood:''' The same thing as [[fey mood]], though with more cryptic clues.

* {{Tile|!|rgb(128,0,128)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''Fell Mood:''' Similar to a [[fey mood]], though resulting in a dwarf being butchered.

* {{Tile|!|rgb(128,128,128)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''Macabre Mood:''' Similar to a fell mood, though not requiring the death of a dwarf.

* {{Tile|!|rgb(256,256,0)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''[[Tantrum]]:''' The dwarf has finally had enough, and has lost his temper. The dwarf stops all work, and proceeds to throw things, destroy buildings and hurt other dwarves. This is not a permanent state, but extremely annoyed dwarves will tantrum repeatedly.

* {{Tile|!|rgb(0,256,256)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''[[Insane]]:''' Dwarves may eventually go crazy and babble, leading to this icon (usually because they couldn't complete an artifact). Dwarf moves erratically around until he/she dies of hunger or thirst. A form of madness.

* {{Tile|!|rgb(0,0,256)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''[[Melancholy]]:''' When a dwarf has sad thoughts for a very long time, it may lead to this. Dwarf sulks around the place until he/she dies of hunger or thirst, or tries to kill himself by drowning or chasm. A form of madness.

* {{Tile|!|rgb(256,0,0)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''[[Berserk]]:''' If a dwarf is extremely unhappy for too long, he/she may snap and enter a homicidal rage, attacking everyone in sight. A form of madness, and extremely dangerous.

* {{Tile|!|rgb(0,0,192)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''Traumatized:''' The creature has experienced things no creature should ever have to experience, and is in a permanent state of shock, endlessly staring off into space.

* {{Tile|!|rgb(192,0,0)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''Enraged:''' When a creature is faced with insurmountable odds, particularly after another creature nearby is killed, it may become angry and attack with rushes and powerful hits.

* {{Tile|!|rgb(0,256,0)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''Martial Trance:''' When a single dwarf is being attacked by more than one enemy, it will fall into this state and supposedly focus better. [[Toady One]] has [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=12&t=000037 said]: ''You have to be a dwarf [to be able to get the martial trance]. It improves all kinds of combat rolls and modifiers (but no direct damage bonus -- 'enraged' does that).'' Dwarves in this state will seek fights with enemy or neutral creatures.

* {{Tile|+|rgb(256,256,0)|rgb(192,192,192)}} '''Minor [[Injury]]:''' Any wound that leaves only one hand in working condition, including severings.

* {{Tile|+|rgb(256,0,0)|rgb(192,192,192)}} '''Major [[Injury]]:''' Loss of the use of a leg, both arms, or a fatal injury to a vital organ that hasn't killed the dwarf yet. Yellow or worse damage to any of the brain, throat, heart, guts, or both lungs are all mortal wounds. Yellow or worse damage to one lung is typically not fatal, but this status flag will remain on the dwarf permenantly as he goes about his day.

* {{Tile|X|rgb(0,256,256)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''Stunned:''' Dwarves can be stunned because of pain, and may lead to unconsciousness. Cave spider bites also cause periodic stunning. May also occur from a fall, usually from a dodge or a [[cave-in]].

* {{Tile|X|rgb(0,256,0)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''Nausea:''' Can be caused by [[cave adaptation]], and will cause [[vomit]], or during combat, when one spears another through the vital organs in the abdomen.

* {{Tile|X|rgb(192,192,192)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''Winded:''' When a dwarf is out of breath, they are winded. This can be caused by being underwater, having a lung pierced or throat torn out.

* {{Tile|☼|rgb(0,256,256)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''[[Combat#Paralysis|Paralyzed]]:''' The creature cannot move. Caused by poison or severe brain damage.

* {{Tile|X|rgb(256,256,256)|rgb(0,0,0)}} '''Unconscious:''' A bad sign for a dwarf, since (other than sleeping) they usually become unconscious in a fight and will die shortly afterwards. Sometimes, pain or permanent spinal injuries will make a dwarf periodically fall unconscious. Regardless of the cause, any creature that falls unconscious on a [[trap]] will trigger it, with messy and/or humorous results.

In addition to the above symbols, creatures carrying an object will alternate between their usual icon and the icon of the object they are carrying.

==Non-flashing==

* {{Tile|☺|rgb(256,0,0)|rgb(128,128,0)}} '''Prone:''' The creature is lying on the ground. Several prone creatures can be in the same tile; therefore, in tight corridors, dwarves will be constantly lying down and standing so they can go through. Also happens in combat. Make sure to remember to stand up if this happens in Adventure Mode.

* {{Tile|☺|rgb(256,0,0)|rgb(0,256,256)}} '''Airborne:''' The creature has been thrown by a wrestling move, flung into the air by a raising drawbridge, fallen off a cliff, gone over a waterfall or gotten smashed by a blunt weapon and is flying backwards from the force of the blow. It's impossible to {{k|v}}iew a creature in this state (though it is possible to loo{{k|k}}) – but you'd probably be better off covering your eyes, anyway. Creatures that are flying under their own power are displayed normally.

* {{Tile|☺|rgb(0,0,256)|rgb(0,0,128)}} '''[[Swimmer#Drowning|Drowning]]:''' The creature is underwater and cannot breathe.

* {{Tile|☺|rgb(256,0,0)|rgb(192,192,192)}} '''Webbed:''' The icon that shows when a creature walks into a [[cave spider]]'s web.

* {{Tile|☺|rgb(256,0,0)|rgb(128,0,128)}} '''[[Wrestling]]:''' It is grabbing, or attempting to grab, another creature in a fight. Could also be holding on to a part of the opponent as well.

* {{Tile|☺|rgb(0,0,0)|rgb(256,0,256)}} '''Last seen:''' Indicates a hidden tile that contained a creature when last visible. Adventure mode only.

* {{Tile|☺|rgb(256,0,0)|rgb(128,0,0)}} '''Dead:''' This dwarf is gone, far away from the horrors of the puppy-cooking, noble-drowning fortress. Legendary dwarves and foes will still alternate colors after death.

==Cheatsheet==

[[Image:icons.gif]]

{{Game Interface FAQ}}

[[Category:Interface]]
[[Category:Creatures]]
[[Category:Dwarves]]
[[Category:Thoughts]]

Talk:Tileset repository

2009-09-08T01:48:06Z

3lB33: /* Tileset Transparency */

== Mac user ==

Can these tilesets be used on a mac as well?

* Yes. I'm using them right now. --[[User:Bombcar|Bombcar]] 19:12, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

== Tiny tilesests ==

<blockquote>
''Sets smaller than 8x8. Used for playing in tiny windows, '''display of massive maps''' and perhaps videos.''
</blockquote>

I thought it wasnt possible to change the size of the map (number of tiles rendered on screen), am I wrong or does the author mean display of maps '''outside''' the game? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 21:09, 4 November 2007 (EST)

:I imagine the only current use is in exporting bitmaps from the game. —[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 15:30, 14 November 2007 (EST)
::I've used one of 'em to hide a DF window on my work computer, and they're fun to use at 4x size,too. But yeah, they make real nice maps. --[[User:Maus|Maus]] 09:10, 18 December 2007 (EST)
:::Note that it's now possible to change the 80x25 in the init file.--[[User:Bombcar|Bombcar]] 19:13, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Can anyone say PocketPC Dwarf Fortress? I imagine with a low popcap and a 3x3 or less area, it wouldn't be too bad on most PDAs out there. Now, if only someone would port the code... --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:40, 8 January 2008 (EST)

== Page Split ==

There are too many character sets on this one page, I propose splitting the page into twopages:
* one for 'classic' code page 437 fonts/glyph sets/character sets with no graphical characters whatsoever
* one for 'semigraphical' character sets which have one or more of the normal glyphs replaced with a df-specific graphic (a barrel instead of the division sign, for instance) - [[User:Lord Nightmare|Lord Nightmare]] 19:18, 9 December 2007 (EST)

:I disagree; there's no reason to split content into two different areas when it's already easily comparable and all in one place. --[[User:Maus|Maus]] 09:12, 18 December 2007 (EST)

== Why png? ==

If they all have to be resaved as bmp, why the heck are they uploaded as png? These are small files, you're not saving significant disk or bandwidth by keeping them in png. This is particularly irritating since I can't seem to get any of these to work even after resaving/converting them -.- --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 14:14, 20 February 2008 (EST)

:If you're not just renaming the files, then your problem isn't with the files being .png format. Making an exception to [[DwarfFortressWiki:Community_Portal|Rule I]] would only cause confusion as there are many images that are quite large indeed. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 15:32, 20 February 2008 (EST)

::No, it's not just a rename, I'm going into GIMP and doing a Save as... The file size changes, so it's doing SOMETHING, but when I go to use the font the screen comes up blank (but if I hit down twice and enter, I still exit, so everything works, there's just no display.) I hadn't seen the style guide/list, however, so that's fair enough. I'll post on the message boards and see if I can troubleshoot there. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 16:58, 20 February 2008 (EST)

:::Simple solution: Open the image in MSPaint and save as a 24-bit BMP. If you don't have Windows, then you should have enough computer savvy to do it in whatever program you choose.
:::Also, bmps cannot be uploaded to the wiki.
:::Furthermore, we do actually save significant page size. If those were all bitmaps, that would be a few megabytes, which is annoying to load. Converting to png makes it only a couple hundred kilobytes. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:59, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

== Length, and how we can decrease it ==

This page is the twelfth longest page in the wiki. Ten of the eleven pages longer than it are lists. It has forty tilesets, less than a third of which are at all good. This is obviously a problem – sludging through all forty of those is not at all fun and, for most of it, not at all useful. 
As a fix, I propose that we copy this page to "Full list of user character sets" and keep only the best fifteen (or maybe ten or maybe twenty) here. Of course, that brings up the difficult question "how do we determine which tilesets are best?" To determine that, we could try getting as many DF players as we can to tell us which tileset(s) they use. Of course, that would need some rules, a forum thread, etc. 
I'll write more about this later, assuming that some interest exists. The time is late and sleepiness impedes thought. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 00:53, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

:To solve [[User:Nunix|Nunix's]] '''Why png?''' problem and to determine the popularity, I suggest we upload all tilesets to [http://dffd.wimbli.com/index.php Dwarf Fortress File Depot] in .bmp format (so nobody have to convert images from .png anymore). Dwarf Fortress File Depot has download trackers for all its downloads. The end of the week, we can determine the 15 most popular based on the download count. Anybody interested can compare the download numbers and edit the 15 best list for the wiki anytime they feel like it to keep it updated often.
:The current tileset Template will need a '''download''' bit added to it as well. [[User:Plac1d|Plac1d]] 17:01, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

::That could work...
::*downloads his tileset fifty times*
::I don't think it would work at all. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:59, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

::What about making one sub page per tile set. Classify each with 'size', 'shape' and 'style'. Use categories to navigate. Have each character set include a 64x64 pixel chunk of the screen - of these, then use gallery tags to browse with links to the sub page. The why png and link and supporting information for downloads is not a bad idea, but given the small DF playing population, the downloads are likely to be very skewed and cutting off at 15 may remove some very good ones that people have already downloaded and don't see a need to download again. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 17:52, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

:::I don't think that the tilesets & tileset descriptions are large enough to warrant that. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:59, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Hmn. Perhaps, we could ask all the dwarves on this wiki to submit a list of their top 20 tilesets, roughly in order of preference. If we get consensus on the best ones, that could work. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:32, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

: What about splitting the tilesets into separate pages by size, e.g. a page for all 16x16s, another for 12x12s, etc? About favorite tilesets, I could barely name my favorite three, so I think picking a favorite 15 or 20 is a bit extreme, and I don't think we can rely on download counts or people just happening to vote, unless we specifically say that voting is going to determine something. '''So''', what do you think about this idea: First, ask forum-goers to nominate user character sets for archiving (removal to an archive page). Second, after the nomination period is over (say, a week), upload those to the file depot, link to the pages, and give forum-goers a month or so to vote down the character sets they want archived, and to vote up ones they don't want archived. At the end of that time we can check their ratings and archive the lowest-rated ones. --[[User:SL|SL]] 01:37, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

::I think that splitting the tilesets by size into subpages could be handy: Resolution is a key factor in determining usability of a tileset. For instance, I'd never need to use a 48x48 tileset by a user named "AAAAAAAAA", but in our current sorting system, that'd be the first one displayed on the page, for all to see. I must however raise a question about the direction this line of discussion has gone: Do we really want to prune content based on some standard of quality? If so, whose standard of quality? The problems with this page seem to arise from the fact that this page is unusual for a wiki: It's goal doesn't seem to be "disseminate information" as much as "Host tilesets for download". Which is a valuable service, granted, but an unusual shift for a wiki. This different focus in purpose should be considered before deciding to begin pruning. An excess of content and options is arguably a good thing.[[User:Teeto K|Teeto K]] 05:53, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

== Page name ==

<code>List of user character sets</code> is long and unnecessarily wordy. I propose <code>List of tilesets</code>. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:32, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
:Sounds like a good idea. Seconded. [[User:Isenhertz|Isenhertz]] 07:41, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== New grid sizes ==

Will someone please explain to me how I can make a 960x300 (Markavian's) tileset work with the new grid sizes larger than 80:25? 96:60 used to work until I tried to us .40c, now it doesn't. --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 18:38, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
:Oops I had forgotten to change the size in the init to
[WINDOWEDX:1152]

[WINDOWEDY:720]

[FONT:mkv_solidcurses_960x300.bmp]

and

[GRID:96:60]
--[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 18:41, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

== Problem with Fullscreen ==
I changed the fullscreen settings in my init to 1280x400 like Aesomatica's 16x16 tileset says, but every time I start DF it gives me a 'Mode changed failed, switching to windowed' error, with or without blackspace. How do I get it to run full? --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 16:27, 2 March 2009 (EST)

:Edit: Checking several different tilesets, for some reason none of them want to work fullscreen other than curses.. I'm wondering if I screwed something up, or if I still just need different measurements.. D: --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 17:20, 2 March 2009 (EST)

::Edit 2: Nevermind, I figured out the problem and now I just feel like a doofus for not recognizing it sooner :p To those who also end up with this problem, here is the solution: you have to set the fullscreen resolution to one your monitor can actually support. Matching the listed res is nice if it works cause it makes everything big and easy to see without stretching it if you have black space off, but if your monitor can't go to 400 Y for example, then you should just go to your current desktop res (in my case 1280x1024) and turn black space on.. Tweak to taste. I'm certain others can clarify this better, though :) --[[User:KittenyKat|KittenyKat]] 17:47, 2 March 2009 (EST)

== Tileset Transparency ==
So, I learned that 0.28.181.40d11 (And possibly earlier versions) supports png format files natively. I know that pngs support an alpha layer (transparency). I tested how transparency works in 40d11 and was quite pleased with the results. Basically, when you add an alpha layer to the png, the magenta color is no longer considered the 'transparent' color, but this allows you to add shading to the transparent color, like for barrels (which has a black normal color and a brown background color). So, white to black shades the normal color, alpha to black shades the background color. Just wanted to share! [[User:Belathus|Belathus]] 07:23, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
:I tried dabbling with this recently ("dabbling tileset artist" ftw!) but I haven't been able to get pngs to work at all. The game simply doesn't load. Is there a link to any discussions on the Bay12 forums about this? I tried searching but didn't find anything there [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
::I see now what I was doing wrong. Belathus was referring to early release 11 which is part of an open-source project towards using OpenGL as the DF graphics engine, which should allow PNGs. They are now up to 16 now and the testing is being managed by [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=40349.405 Baughn on the forums]. Depending on the success of the testing, Toady One might put it into the next version, but people need to help test it. So go there and help dammit!! [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 01:48, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

==Standard preview==
I can't seem to find it anywhere, but where is the fort many of you have been using for a standard preview? I'm talking about the one pictured in Lord Nightmare, Markavian, Zaratustra, and Herrbdog's previews. I feel a bit out of place with my tilesets and no direct means of comparison. --[[User:Kein|Kein]] 15:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

==Adding a date field==
Some of these entries are quite old, dating back to the ol' Boatmurdered days. Many more are based on the old classics, and generally say so, but right now it's hard to find the difference between a new entry and an old one. Someone, (ok, me) should find the date stamps on the graphics and add it to the description. Barring any objections, I'll start adding them tomorrow... --[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 01:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Tileset repository

2009-09-06T16:46:06Z

3lB33: No need for an "other tilesets" section. The non-square tileset will do fine here.

''You may be looking for general information on [[tilesets]] or the [[List of user graphics sets|Graphics set repository]].''

== Square tilesets ==

These are all the character sets with square tiles, except for the character sets with 16×16 tiles. Those are listed [[List_of_user_character_sets#16.C3.9716_tilesets|below]]. Text in square tilesets (as opposed to tilesets with shorter width) is usually more difficult to read, but the map is not distorted.

=== Anikki ===

[[Image:df_anikki_2.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Anikki_square_8x8.png]]
|author=[[User:Anikki|Anikki]]
|dated=2008-7-27
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×200 native.
|comments=Based on the original IBM CGA Character set with a lot of tweaks. The characters remain as descriptive yet universal as possible. I chose the CGA set because it is in my opinion the square set with the best readability. This set is for those who like the basic ASCII look where every pixel has meaning or (multiple meanings). [http://www.anikki.com/share/df/Anikki_square_8x8.bmp Download the BMP]

There is also an upscaled [[#Anikki_2|16x16 version]] of this set available for fullscreen use below.
}}

[[Image:df_anikki_1.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Anikki_square_10x10.png]]
|author=[[User:Anikki|Anikki]]
|dated=2008-7-27
|size=10×10
|resolution=800×250 native.
|comments=Based primarily on Tocky and Plac1d's sets (which are brilliant). The characters remain as descriptive as possible with some tweaks to the font for better readability and some changes to symbols for more consistency. This set is for those who like the basic ASCII look where every pixel has meaning or (multiple meanings). [http://www.anikki.com/share/df/Anikki_square_10x10.bmp Download the BMP]
(Note: The up and down ramps are reversed.)
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Anikki_square_20x20.png]]
|author=[[User:Anikki|Anikki]]
|dated=2008-7-27
|size=20×20
|resolution=1600×500 native.
|comments=Based primarily on Tocky and Plac1d. This is a scaled up version of the 10x10 tileset for fullscreen use. [http://www.anikki.com/share/df/Anikki_square_20x20.bmp Download the BMP]
(Note: The up and down ramps are reversed.)
}}

=== Dorten ===

[[Image:Snap.PNG|thumb|right]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:720x225_SmoothWalls.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Dorten|Dorten]]
|dated=2009-2-13
|size=9×9
|resolution=720×225
|comments=It's improved Savok's tileset, which is changed to make walls look smooth. Plus another little differences.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:720x225_SmoothWalls7.png]]
|author=[[User:Dorten|Dorten]]
|dated=2009-2-13
|size=9×9
|resolution=720×225
|comments=Minor tweak so the 7's don't look like question marks.
}}

=== Hanuman ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:DB_curses_12x12.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Hanuman|Hanuman]]
|dated=2008-7-23
|size=12×12
|resolution=900×300
|comments=This is basically the curses_800x600.bmp file converted to 12x12. It may be slightly different but it is close enough for me. [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=318 Get the .BMP here.]
Note: If the tileset doesn't look right played at 900x300, try changing the resolution to 966x325.
}}

=== Haowan ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Haowan_Curses_1440x450.png]]
|author=Haowan
|dated=2007-11-2
|size=18×18
|resolution=1440×450
|comments=An enlarged version of a square version of the default set.
}}

=== Herrbdog ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Herrbdog_144.png]]
|author=Herrbdog
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=A larger version of this tileset is available [[#Herrbdog 2|below]].
}}

=== Lord Dullard ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Dullard_Exponent_12x12.png]]
|author=Lord Dullard/Exponent
|dated=2009-3-30
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300 native
|comments=Adjusted by Exponent, and with new dwarf characters added. A version of the Unknown 12×12 tileset with smoothed walls. Example: [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-5243-wiltedblight Wiltedblight].
}}

=== Lord Nightmare ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:CGA8x8thick.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×400
|comments=The original IBM CGA Character set, thick variant, dumped from addresses 0x1800-0x1fff the 5788005 IBM Character Generator ROM. This is the far more common 'thick' variant. Best viewed at 8:5 aspect ratio.
}}

[[Image:Nightmare_cga_8x8.jpg|thumb|right|Lord Nightmare's 8×8 CGA tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:CGA8x8thin.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2008-6-6
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×400
|comments=The original IBM CGA Character set, thin variant, dumped from addresses 0x1000-0x17ff the 5788005 IBM Character Generator ROM. This is the less common 'thin' variant, which required soldering on two pins and jumpering them on the CGA card to use. Best viewed at 8:5 aspect ratio.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:EGA8x8.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×400
|comments=The IBM EGA 8×8 Character set, dumped from the 6277356 IBM EGA BIOS ROM. This is ALMOST 100% IDENTICAL to the CGA thick font, but has minor modifications (23 pixels total) done to four characters: the capital 'S', the club sign, the spade sign, and the large asterisk (the one with a hole in the middle, char 0x0f, not the shift-8 one which is char 0x2a). There is no thin variant of this font. Best viewed at 8:5 aspect ratio.
}}

=== Maus ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Nostalgia_720x225.png]]
|author=[[User:Maus|maus]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=9×9
|resolution=720×225
|comments=Another square tileset that's usable on low resolutions, modeled after a common font used on the Nintendo Entertainment System. An 18x18 version for 1440x450 resolution is also [[:Image:Nostalgia_1440x450_3e4a08.png|available here]], and is really nice on a widescreen monitor. An NES palette is [[User:Maus|available here]].
}}

=== Markavian ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:mkv_solidcurses_stairs_960x300.png]]
|author=[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]
|dated=2007-12-4
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=This revision is designed to work with DF version 0.27.169.33a with special tiles for [[stair]]s and [[ramp]]s, as well as the changes present in the earlier version such as bones, walls, trees and swords. Available in [http://mkv25.net/showcase/df/mkv_curses%2012×12%20and%206x6%20v2.zip mkv curses 12×12 and 6x6 v2.zip]. As seen in the fortress of [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-1329-axegear Axegear].
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Mkv_solidcurses_960x300.png]]
|author=[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=An older revision of my square tileset, featuring more detailed symbols, with alterations to certain text characters to look more like ingame items. The walls are infilled now. 
Available in [http://mkv25.net/showcase/df/mkv_curses%2012×12%20and%206x6%20v2.zip mkv curses 12×12 and 6x6 v2.zip]. As seen in the fortress of [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-800-inflew. Inkflew].
}}

=== Paul ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Paul_10x10.png]]
|author=[[User:Paul|Paul]]
|dated=2008-9-5
|size=10×10
|resolution=800×250 for 80×25 grid size, others just multiply grid by 10.
|comments=Custom tileset I made for my own use when the adjustable grid sizes were released for DF. Some accented letters cut slightly to allow for larger letter display. Contains several of Tocky's tiles (barrels, some trees, dimple cups, coins, slightly modified armor stand). Others are either made by me or adjusted from curses_800x600 tiles.
}}

=== Savok ===

[[Image:Screenshot_41ea57.png|thumb|right|Savok's tiny, non-updated tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Curses_720x225_8d6752.png]]
|author=[[User:Savok|Savok]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=9×9
|resolution=720×225
|comments=There is no doubt that this tileset is old. This must be distinctly understood if anything wonderful is to come of your use of it. You may like [[List_of_user_character_sets#Dorten|Dorten's revision]] more. The following is the original description: I dislike curses_640x300.bmp due to its lack of any kind of graphics for things like a bed or a barrel and the fact that it distorts my beautiful circles, so I made a similarish tileset to fix those.
}}

=== Sir Henry ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:Sir_Henry%27s_32x32.png|Not shown due to size]]
|author=Sir Henry
|dated=2009-8-19
|size=32×32
|resolution=2560×800
|comments=Recently I learned of a monitor displaying 2560 pixels horizontally, and I decided it needed a tileset to put to use. Taking the tileset I use (Kelora 16x16 diagonal) and doubling it, I was able to get a decent tileset. Smoothing the edges, and redoing some glyphs to get a better look (or just messing up some to bad to fix), I was able to achieve this.
}}

===Teeto_K===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Teeto_K_18x18.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Teeto_K|Teeto_K]]
|dated=2008-10-24
|size=18×18
|resolution=1440×450
|comments=A tileset based on [[:Image:Nostalgia_1440x450_3e4a08.png|Maus's 18x18 version of his "Nostalgia" tileset]], however, it has been heavily revised. The entire font has been "smoothed over", and many of the symbols changed to more "graphical" representations of the items they represent. An attempt to fill the void of "graphic heavy" tilesets in the 18x18 tile-size. A special emphasis is placed on maximizing the text's readability, while still providing a "graphics enhanced" play area. Special thanks to Maus for the font, and Guybrush for the inspiration.
}}

=== Terbert ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Terbert_10x10.png]]
|author=[[User:Terbert|Terbert]]
|dated=2009-6-30
|size=10×10
|resolution=800×250
|comments=This is Terbert's First tileset
}}

=== Tocky ===

[[Image:Df_tock10_1.PNG|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tocky_square_10x10.png]]
|author=[[User:Tocky|Tocky]]
|dated=2007-11-15
|size=10×10
|resolution=800×250 native, 800×500 for fullscreen.
|comments=I tried to make all the pictographic symbols as descriptive as possible: the only ones I've spotted that show up in odd places are the staircase symbols, '<' and '>', which are used as tags on barrel descriptions, and don't match -- but I'm willing to live with that in order to be able to tell up-stairs from down- ones. With everything else, I just tried to maximize clarity and readability and to keep them consistent. I'm really very pleased with how this set turned out.
}}

=== Turnip ===

[[Image:Rev7.PNG|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Markvii.png]]
|author=[[User:Turnip|Turnip]]
|dated=2009-7-9
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=My revision of Markavian's tileset, made to be more "curvy"
}}

=== Unknown ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tileset_unknown_960x300_02.png]]
|author=Unknown
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=This is a tileset submitted by an unknown user from the IP address 86.43.81.125. 
}}

[[Image:Unknown_12x12.jpg|thumb|right|Unknown 12×12 v2]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Unknown_curses_12x12.png]]
|author=Unknown
|dated=2007-11-24
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=This is very similar to the above tileset, but has some noticeable differences. I have no idea where I got it from. It's great on a 1024x768 CRT monitor in windowed mode. I use it in a 1000x500 window with [BLACKSPACE:YES]. --[[User:JT|JT]]
}}

=== Xenomorph ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Acorntileset8x8.png]]
|author=[[User:Xenomorph|Xenomorph]]
|dated=2008-8-9
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×200
|comments=This is the tileset used by Acorn computers, starting with the BBC Micro. This version is as it would have appeared in 40-column modes (and shuffled a little to adapt it to CP437). It also looks nice at double resolution. [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=407 Download the BMP.]
}}

=== Yayo ===

[[Image:yayo_c64_640x200_screenshot.png|thumb|right|yayo's c64 Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:yayo_c64_640x200.png]]
|author=[[User:Yayo|Yayo]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×200
|comments=Name: Yayo's C64; Based on the charset of the commodore 64. It's a flat style, but it's clean and also highly readable. I recreated all the missing chars like letters with accents and symbols, trying to get a c64 style as much as possible. If it's too small, use the 16×16 version [[#Yayo_2|below]]. :)
}}

[[Image:yayo_tunur_1040x325_screenshot.png|thumb|right|yayo's Tunur Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:yayo_tunur_1040x325.png]]
|author=[[User:Yayo|Yayo]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=13×13
|resolution=1040×325
|comments=Name: Yayo's Tunur; According to the language files of DF, Tunur means "style" in dwarf language. It may require a bit to get used to some symbols, but it's a very clean tileset. (It's just a bit weird. :P)
}}

=== Zaratustra ===

[[Image:Zara_8x8.jpg|thumb|right|Zaratustra's 8×8 tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_msx.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×200 or 640×400
|comments= The MSX and MSX2 font, shuffled around to fit the char set. Double lines were added.
}}

== 16×16 tilesets ==

The 16×16 tilesets are a subset of square character sets. 16×16 is a frequently used size, as shown by the number of tilesets in this section. This is probably because all of the best creature graphics sets use 16×16 tiles. Those alternate sets for creatures can be found at [[graphics sets]]. '''If your screen is too small for these, turn on BLACK_SPACE!'''

=== Aesomatica ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Aesomatica_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Aesomatica|Aesomatica]]
|dated=2008-11-29
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400 native.
|comments=Tileset intended to build upon [[User:Sphr|Sphr's]] and [[User:Jackard|Jackard's]] work, as well as others. Some tiles are original, some are variants and most are copied from various sets the author found pleasing. Notable originals include the broken bolt/ashes tiles, the ballista heads/large hills, the small hills, the ore (gear animation is pleasing, though axle animation is unimproved), ground tiles, and vermin. Also, bins look decent and up/down stairs look okay. This set looks its best with Sphr's graphics.
}}

=== Anikki ===

[[Image:df_anikki_2.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Anikki_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Anikki|Anikki]]
|dated=2008-7-27
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400 native.
|comments=Based on the original IBM CGA Character set with a lot of tweaks. The characters remain as descriptive yet universal as possible. I chose the CGA set because it is in my opinion the suqare set with the best readability. This set is for those who like the basic ASCII look where every pixel has meaning or (multiple meanings). This is a scaled up version for fullscreen use. [http://www.anikki.com/share/df/Anikki_square_16x16.bmp Download the BMP]
}}

=== Belal ===

[[Image:Belal_Example.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Belal_Smooth_Walls.png]]
|author=[[User:Belal|Belal]]
|dated=2009-1-9
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400 native.
|comments=Based on the Mike Mayday tileset and using angled smoothed walls as in [[User:Dorten|Dorten's]] Tileset. I like the look of the walls for doing near circular or honeycomb layouts. [http://mkv25.net/dfma/poi-9935-seethewallshere Example Fort]
}}

=== Cooz ===

[[Image:Cooz_Tileset_Screenshot.png|thumb|right|Cooz's Tileset]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Cooz_curses_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Cooz|Cooz]]
|dated=2009-2-28
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400 native.
|comments=v1.1 - 3px wide walls and some other tweaks. Based on Klokjammer and Marble Dice tilesets. Some tiles were taken from other sets, some were made from scratch. The aim was to keep feel of default curses font in 16×16 tileset. There's also [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Image:Cooz_curses_square_flat_16x16.png version without shading].
}}

=== Flying Mage ===

{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:Flying_Mage_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Flying Mage|Flying Mage]]
|dated=2008-4-12
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A 16×16 tileset based on several other tilesets by various authors. I did some changes because I like some things in different ways, but the base for tileset was made by another users and for this I thankful. List of major and minor changes you can see below. And I hope you'll enjoy this. There is some tiles I really proud of :) 
*[[:Image:Flying_Mage_square_16x16_Major_Changes.png|Major changes]] 
*[[:Image:Flying_Mage_square_16x16_Minor_Changes.png|Minor changes]]
*[[:Image:Flying_Mage_square_16x16_Stone_Type.png|Some ''rough/smoothed/engraved stone'' improvement]]
}}

=== Dwarfletter ===

[[Image:Dwarfletter1.png|thumb|right|Dwarfletter - Stockile]]


{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:DwarfletterGothic.PNG]]
|author=LordZorinthrox
|dated=2009-7-20
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=[[http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=1205|Download here]] 
;see also
:[[:File:Dwarfletter2.png|Status screen - Font]]
:[[:File:Dwarfletter3.png|Foliage]]
:[[:File:Dwarfletter4.png|Ballista]]
}}

=== Guybrush ===

[[Image:GuybrushScreenshot1.PNG|thumb|right|Guybrush Tileset]]
[[Image:GuybrushScreenshot2.PNG|thumb|right|the wilderness...]]

{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:Guybrush_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]]
|dated=2007-11-15
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A 16×16 tileset based on the very nice Herrbdog's one, and for use with the superb [[Graphics_sets#Dystopian_Rhetoric|Dystopian Rhetoric objects]]. A slightly modified version of Herrbdog's tileset is available below if you want to keep the original ASCII symbols for some objects (just do some cut & paste). It's just a little brighter and with some very slight changes. The tileset shown is a tileset with graphic objects added, for use with Fortress Mode.

I recommend to have a look at the [[color schemes|color schemes page]] to find your favorite color settings. The color scheme I used for the screenshots is [[Color_Schemes#.28Yet.29_Another_scheme|this one]].}}

{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:GuybrushASCII_curses_square_16x16.png]]
|author=Herrbdog, modified by [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Here is the slightly modified version of Herrbdog's tileset which still has all the ASCII characters intact
}}

=== Herrbdog ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Herrbdog_16x16_tileset.gif]]
|author=Herrbdog
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=The 16×16 version of Herrbdog's tileset. Further discussion of herrbdog's tilesets is available in the Bay 12 forums:
http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=000832
}}

=== Inquisitor Saturn ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:MRC_square_16x16.png]]
|author=Inquisitor Saturn
|dated=2008-5-18
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Another 16 by 16 tileset. This one is notable because of the subtle shadowing and a completely original, hand-made font.
}}

=== Isenhertz ===

[[Image:isenhertz_v2_screenshot.png|thumb|right|Isenhertz's tileset in action.]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:16x16_isenhertz_v2.png]]
|author=[[User:Isenhertz|Isenhertz]]
|dated=2008-7-14
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Impressed with the genius of using sprites as tiles, I cobbled together this tileset of my own. It uses Super Foul Egg's superb font as a base, with several sprites also found in other users' sets. Because a lot of letters are used for graphics, I suggest that you [[User:Jackard|remove accented letters from names]] with this set. I also suggest you shift some items to other icons, such as the coniferous trees (change Pine, Cedar, Larch from 024 to 147), the turtle (change 15 to 151), and Quarry Bush leaves (change from 006 to 003).
V2 now with new graphics for walls and liquids, as well as some other tweaks here and there and a first attempt at using dual-color sprites using a cyan base instead of simple greyscale. (Right now implemented for beds, wood and statues.)
V1 can still be found [[:Image:16x16_isenhertz_v1.png|here]].
}}

=== Kaishaku ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kai-1280x400-v2 7512b5.png]]
|author=Kaishaku
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A square 1280×400 font. Simple and legible. Converted from roarl's 16×16 nethack font, on top of super foul egg's template, extended manually and with ideas from lucida console. This is version 1, created in one morning. Screenshots available [http://kaishaku.org/dwarfort here].
}}

=== Kelora ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kelora_16x16_diagonal.png]]
|author=[[User:Kelora|Kelora]]
|dated=2009-7-26
|size=16×16
|resolution=
|comments=A square tileset using the diagonal wall concept from Belal and others but simplified drastically to improve the appearance. All the walls line up correctly and have consistent widths.
I did not use much of the pretty but confusing art I see in many of the other sets. I tried for a while to incorporate many of these but found that with the multiple uses for most characters they were just wrong far too often to be useful. The only ones that seem to work are the dwarves which I took from Flying Mage / Guybrush. The pretty 3Dish fonts as well just seem to look muddier and be less legible. I love it and my husband has been happily playing it for months.
}}

=== Klokjammer ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kjammer square 16x16 v02.png]]
|author=[[User:Klokjammer|Klokjammer]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Name: ''"Masked Adventurer"'' - after tile (0,4), where '@' used to be. A somewhat abstract version of the original curses square tileset, but with the alpha numeric characters shaped so as not to look distorted. Other symbols are either borrowed from or improved from curses, and some (including the dwarves) were created from the ground up. Alternate variations, are available [[User:Klokjammer#My Tilesets|here]].
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kjammer square 16x16 v00.png]]
|author=[[User:Klokjammer|Klokjammer]]
|dated=2007-10-31
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A "clean" version of the above set, one without any fancy tiles (except for the dwarves).
}}

=== Marble Dice ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Md_curses_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=This tileset attempts to modify the size and aspect ratio of the classic 8x12 terminal/curses font employed by many rougelikes without sacrificing the distinctive character.
}}

=== Martin ===

[[Image:Martin_16x16_sample.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Martin_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Martin|Martin]]
|dated=2009-8-8
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=This is a 16x16 tileset based on Redjack and Flying Mage sets (and possible tiles taken from others that I've since lost track of - apologies). Some tiles are original or have been tweaked, mainly to provide a much more subtle background than most. A completely new character set is used to improve legibility, tweaked and anti-aliased for dark backgrounds.

[http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=1316 Download]
[http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-6239-lashedwines Demo fortress at DFMA]
}}

=== Nordic Curses ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:DF-Nordic_v1.png]]
|author=[[User:Techhead|Techhead]]
|dated=2009-3-26
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=My first attempt at a unique curses-style tileset with a Nordic Theme. Some characters have been altered.
}}

=== PTTG ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:PTTGV2tiles.png]]
|author=[[User:PTTG|PTTG]]
|dated=2007-11-21
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A new version! Clean, sharp, and clear. All-original, and large size for big screens! Also features coloured indicators for levers, helping to remove the guesswork. It is good stand-alone, or with my [[List of user graphics sets#PTTG|graphics set]].
}}

=== Random832 ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Msgothic.png]]
|author=[[User:Random832]]
|dated=2009-4-22
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×800 etc
|comments=Based on the ＭＳゴシック (MS Gothic) japanese font, with some gaps filled in from the VGA 8x16 font, and some other characters tweaked by hand.
}}

===Red Jack===
{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:Redjack17.png]]
|author=[[User:Jackard|Jackard]]
|dated=2008-7-22
|size=16x16
|resolution=1280x400
|comments=This combines content from other tilesets with Nintendo sprites to give the game a classic dungeon look. ''Note: Bins are hard to see using this tileset because the "bin" tile is also used as the "up/down staircase" tile. [[Tileset_repository#Aesomatica |Aesomatica]] and [[Tileset_repository#Martin|Martin]] improve upon this tileset making the bin tile easier to see.''

[http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7 You may download all variations of this tileset here.]}}

=== Sappho ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Sapphos_square_16x16.png]]
|author=Sappho
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Another square font, target resolution 1280×400. This one is exactly the same as the default font except it has been made square, painstakingly edited to ensure that nothing looks squished.
}}

=== Savok ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Savok_curses_1280x400_517caa.png]]
|author=[[User:Savok|Savok]]
|dated=2008-6-16
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Unsatisfied with any existing tileset, I decided to go about creating my own. Since I can't create from scratch, I had to take tiles from other tilesets and modify them, in an evolution-like manner, until they became how I wanted them. Since most are dramatically different from the tileset I took them from, I believe I can call them original. In the raws, change the tag [TILE:'U'] for humans to [TILE:172]. This changes both the image and corpse of humans to a unique image, which creature graphics cannot do. The elves also get a different tile, [TILE:171]. I plan to make a separate goblin symbol. If you use it and like it, please leave a message for at [[User talk:Savok|my talk page]] or at [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=201 the DFFD page]. This will greatly speed progress, since I won't be doing it just for myself. Note: The [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=201 DFFD version] is updated more frequently and has the changelist.
}}

=== SL ===

{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:SL_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:SL]]
|dated=2008-8-3
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=(Requires a download, not just the image) Art based on Flying Mage's, Guybrush's, and previous tilesets in that lineage. Uses ModBase to relocate relocatable art and de-accentify certain accented letters to reduce graphical bizarreness while still improving some art. [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=22154.0 Forum Thread] [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=370 Download] [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-3203-flamespear Demo Fortress Map on the DFMA]
}}

=== Spreggo ===

[[Image:Autonomous_Font_example.png|thumb|right|The Autonomous Font in action.]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Autonomous_Font.png]]
|author=Spreggo
|dated=2009-2-2
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Started off inspired by Belal's diagonal support, and ended up doing almost every tile from scratch. Added different tiles for each type of stone, and new ones for ore, but the matgloss files need to be edited for that functionality(see image details).
}}

=== Super Foul Egg ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:SFE_Curses_square_16x16.png]]
|author=Super Foul Egg
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=The font is rough as hell and some of the characters still need attention, but it'll do for now. Since this tileset is for graphics mode I'd rather wait for more complete object support than hack in pictures and gum up the UI. Uppercase from [http://www.zee-3.com/pickfordbros/archive/bitmapfonts.php this site]
}}

=== Tahin ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tahin_16x16_rounded.png]]
|author=[[User:Tahin|Tahin]]
|dated=2007-12-28
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Based on Marble Dice's tileset, above. Smoothed corners are "rounded", which takes some getting used to but look quite nice, in my opinion. I have managed to get all of the standard "L" tiles to fit together nicely, but "T" and "+" don't quite match up. It's not a problem that comes up often, and it still doesn't look that bad, but I'll get to it eventually.
}}

=== The-Moon ===

[[Image:SS_moons_square_16x16.PNG|thumb|right]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Moons_square_16x16.PNG]]
|author=[[User:The-Moon|The-Moon]]
|dated=2008-3-24
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Edited Character set of [[User:mikemayday|mikemayday]] and [[User:Jackard|Jackard]]}}

=== Tigrex ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:tigrex3d.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Tigrex|Tigrex]]
|dated=2009-2-22
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=This is my tileset, modified from Dorten's 2d diagonal wall set. It incorporates many original creations of mine, and I hope you like it.}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:tigrex3drunes.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Tigrex|Tigrex]]
|dated=2009-4-10
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=This is a modification of the above, that takes advantage of Norse runes for a more authentic Dwarven experience. CAUTION! This tileset has little practical value, and may induce myopia, blindness, or death.}}

=== Tim's ===

[[Image:example_tims.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tims_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Timmeh|Timmeh]]
|dated=2009-8-12
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A tileset using heavily modified versions of the diagonal walls from Belal's set, a modified version of the floor from Spreggo's set, most of the furniture and objects are from Flying Mage's set, and some various other bits and pieces from other sets. Replaces the black box that normally surrounds the walls with a copy of the floor tile. [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-5740-foresthold Example Fort]
}}

=== Tyrving ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tyr_1280x400.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Tyrving|Tyrving]]
|dated=2008-2-15
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=None of the existing modifications of curses_square satisfied me, so I made my own. The bulk of it is from Klokjammer's set, with the dwarf symbols and @ taken from Sappho's. Quite a few minor alterations have been made, and I feel that it's become distinct enough to release it.
}}

=== Winterwing ===

[[Image:Winterwing_Dfort-tiles-lucon.png|thumb|right|Lucida Console with Dystopian Rhetoric objects]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Winterwing_Curses_16x16_lucon.png]]
|author=[[User:Winterwing|Winterwing]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Like usual, lucida console with cleartype. Creative, huh. :)
}}

=== Yayo ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Yayo_c64_1280x400_83b157.png]]
|author=[[User:Yayo|Yayo]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Name: Yayo's C64; The 16×16 version of Yayo's tileset.
}}

=== Zaratustra ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-11-10
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Because everyone is making one.
}}

== Non-square tilesets ==

These tilesets are not square. Text in non-square tilesets often looks much better and is often much easier to read than in square tilesets, but the map is distorted.

=== CKY ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[File:Curses_800x600_shade.png]]
|author=[[User:Chinkeeyong|Chinkeeyong]]
|dated=2009-6-11
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×600
|comments=Partially inspired by Eagle of Fire's tiles, below. Essentially, this is the default tileset with a little bevel-style shading around the edges to make it look neater. Also, I fixed the accented 'e' tails to look closer to the standard 'e'.
}}

=== Eagle of Fire ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:eofshaded800x600pb9_f64ded.png]]
|author=[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×600
|comments=Designed for fullscreen. Inspired by Herrbdog's tileset, I created a shaded tileset targeting the default fullscreen 800x600 resolution. Basicaly, you have the exact same "curses" default tileset but with some shading done to the lower right of each letters and items. I've left alone everything which was related to mining or was meant to be plain, for example the smoothered tiles and the plain tiles in the demo. The reason behind that is that I didn't find much logic to have those graphics shaded as they could possibly connect on any direction on the screen, which would make the shading a little strange. Please note that this tileset is only a "beta". I might work on it again if there is enough people who like it and would like improvements. You can discuss the matter [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=000645 here].
}}

=== Inquisitor Saturn ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:MRC_1280x600.png]]
|author=[[User:InquisitorSaturn|Inquisitor Saturn]]
|dated=2008-2-28
|size=16×24
|resolution=1280×600
|comments=Designed for a double-sized window mode. Based on the default set, but more detailed and with a few custom characters. Good for those who want larger characters but enjoy the aesthetics of the default set.
}}

=== Kein ===

[[Image:Kein-curs.gif|thumb|right|Kein's Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kein_640x300.png]]
|author=Kein
|dated=2008-8-9
|size=8×12
|resolution=640×300
|comments=Updated 08/09/09. Updated most characters, the biggest change is the 3d style walls. If you use my set I'd highly recommend [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/List_of_user_graphics_sets#Plac1d Plac1d's character graphic set.] My 640×300, everything completely shaded.
}}

=== Lord Nightmare ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:MDA8x14.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×14
|resolution=640×350
|comments=The original IBM MDA character set, dumped from addresses 0x0000-0x0fff the 5788005 IBM Character Generator ROM. This font is as would be displayed on an EGA/VGA with the 9-pixel-width mode disabled. Best for a 64:35 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 640x480. The MDA card did not actually support displaying the font in 8x14, but ONLY 9x14 mode, see below. Theoretically, you CAN upload this font into EGA video memory though and use it.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:MDA9x14.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=9×14
|resolution=720×350
|comments=The original IBM MDA character set, dumped from addresses 0x0000-0x0fff the 5788005 IBM Character Generator ROM. This font is as would be displayed on a real MDA card (use a black/dkgreen/ltgreen palette for full monochrome effect) or on an EGA/VGA card with the 9-pixel-width mode enabled. Best for a 72:35 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 720x480.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:EGA8x14.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×14
|resolution=640×350
|comments=The IBM EGA character set, dumped from the 6277356 IBM EGA BIOS ROM. This font is as would be displayed on an EGA/VGA with the 9-pixel-width mode disabled. Best for a 64:35 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 640x480. This font is different from the MDA version in that many characters are slightly narrower to avoid 'running into' each other, and many characters have been shifted slightly to the left.
Thanks to Zaratustra for poking me into getting this done, and for related help.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:EGA9x14.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=9×14
|resolution=720×350
|comments=The IBM EGA character set, dumped from the 6277356 IBM EGA BIOS ROM. This font is as would be displayed on an EGA/VGA with the 9-pixel-width mode enabled. Best for a 72:35 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 640x480. This font is actually different from the 8x14 version in that 20 characters have been replaced with the original MDA wide versions. These 'extra' wide characters are sandwiched in between the end of the 8x14 and beginning of the 8×8 font in the EGA BIOS ROM. The changed characters, in ASCII order, are: arrow-left-and-right, '"', '+', '-', 'M', 'T', 'V', 'W', 'X', 'Y', 'Z', 'm', 'v', 'w', 'ae', cent sign, yen, peseta, plus-minus, and division sign. Other than these characters, all characters are the same, with rightmost-row duplicated on the C and D rows like the MDA (though I don't actually know if this is technically correct).
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:VGA8x16.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM?
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×16
|resolution=640×400
|comments=The original? IBM VGA 8x16 character set, (from http://madscientistroom.org/fpga/default-8x16-bram.html) as would be displayed on a VGA card with the 9-pixel-width disabled. Best for an 8:5 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 640x480. This rom has not yet been dumped from a real VGA card, and is coming from a secondary source, so it may be replaced later if I find the real font is different.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord_Nightmare-Fixedsys-02.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/Microsoft
|dated=2007-12-20
|size=8×15
|resolution=640×375
|comments=v2.2 - (v1.0 is [[:Image:Lord_Nightmare-Fixedsys.png|here]]) - Based on Microsoft's Fixedsys font (which dates back to Windows 1.0!), Many glyphs needed redoing by hand since they were absent from the font, since it is an 'ansi' character set and not a code-page 437 one like DF expects. v2.0 Based on Microsoft's Fixedsys font. Updated new glyphs to be more consistent with the Fixedsys style. - v2.1 - update a few more glyphs, namely the integral, the infinity symbol, and the spade, and a few others I'm forgetting. - v2.2 - update the club and spade, and the music notes - v2.3 - fix the fact that 0xF9 and 0xFA were inadvertently swapped.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord_Nightmare-Fixedsys-03.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/Microsoft
|dated=2007-12-20
|size=8×16
|resolution=640×400
|comments=v3.0 - changed font size to 8x16, altered glyphs to respect this. - v3.1 - fix the fact that 0xF9 and 0xFA were inadvertently swapped.
}}

[[Image:Lord_Nightmare_Freehand_screenshot_2b7d67.png|thumb|right|Freehand screenie... ooh, neat! Unreadable.]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord_Nightmare_Freehand_10x16.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare
|dated=2007-12-23
|size=10×16
|resolution=800×400
|comments=v1.0 - A character set drawn entirely in freehand on the tablet PC... with MINIMAL EDITING! Yes, its SUPPOSED to look like that. v1.1 - fixed character 0x02 background (filled smiley), filled in the card suits, minor touch up to the comma, fix black instead of magenta on the greyscale blocks and other tweaks to them, redrew the square block (was 'too clean' before) v1.1a - fixed spade by adding 1 pixel at tip so it doesn't look like another club
}}

[[Image:Lord_Nightmare_Freehand_screenshot_2_05c04b.png|thumb|right|Freehand^2 screenie... ooh, neat! Readable. But ugly.]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord_Nightmare_Freehand^2_10x16.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare
|dated=2008-3-28
|size=10×16
|resolution=800×400
|comments=Freehand^2, v1.2 - A heavily edited version of Freehand, now hopefully less unreadable. V1.2 is the current version, see the image link changelog/older versions.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Vintl01.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/Victor-Sirius
|dated=2007-12-19
|size=10×16
|resolution=800×400
|comments=The Victor 9000/Sirius 1 computer character set, extracted from vintl01.chr.
}}

=== Lumin ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:Lumin_Graphical_1280x800.png|Not shown due to size]]
|author=Lumin
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×32
|resolution=1280×800
|comments=Ideas used from several others on this page. I've also added more detail and color to some objects.
}}

=== Plac1d ===

[[Image:Plac1d_640x300EZ_1.png|thumb|right|Plac1d's Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Plac1d_640x300tileset.png]]
|author=[[User:Plac1d|Plac1d]]
|dated=2008-3-13
|size=8×12
|resolution=640×300
|comments=A tweaked version of [[#Tocky|Tocky's 10×10 tileset]] converted to 8×12. Try using this with my [[List of user graphics sets#Plac1d|graphics set]]!

[http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=63 Download the .BMP]
}}

=== Quietust ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:VGA9x16.png]]
|author=Quietust/IBM?
|dated=2009-7-24
|size=9×16
|resolution=720×400
|comments=The original? IBM VGA 9x16 character set, as would be displayed on a VGA card with the 9-pixel-width enabled.
}}

=== Sergius ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Sleroux_800x300.png]]
|author=Sergius
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×300
|comments=Mostly vanilla tileset, dwarves have graphic from intro [[Utilities#CMVPlayer|Movie]], with some tweaks (for soldiers). I find it helpful for playing (instead of happy faces).
}}

=== Shaja ===

[[Image:Shaja_10-27-09.png|thumb|right|TerminusAliased text]]
[[Image:Shaja_10-13-09.png|thumbnail|right|Terminus24 text]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:TerminusAliased_handedit_gal.png|Not shown due to size]]
|author=[[User:Shaja|Shaja]]
|dated=2008-3-27
|size=20×32
|resolution=1600×800
|comments=Alphanumerics based on Dimitar Zhekov's [http://www.is-vn.bg/hamster/jimmy-en.html Terminus] font with light antialias shading added, walls and some symbols redrawn, others carried over from Thom's 20x32 tileset.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:Terminus24.png|Not shown due to size]]
|author=[[User:Shaja|Shaja]]
|dated=2008-5-19
|size=24×32
|resolution=1920×800
|comments=Revised version of my earlier Terminus 20x32 character set for 1920x800 display.
}}

=== Tae ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:CP850.png]]
|author=Tae/IBM
|dated=2009-9-06
|size=8×14
|resolution=640×350
|comments=The original? IBM VGA 8x16 character set, (from http://madscientistroom.org/fpga/default-8x16-bram.html) as would be displayed on a VGA card with the 9-pixel-width disabled. Best for an 8:5 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 640x480. This rom has not yet been dumped from a real VGA card, and is coming from a secondary source, so it may be replaced later if I find the real font is different. The changed characters, in ASCII order are 'zero', 'at', 'M', 'T', 'V', 'W', 'X', 'Y', 'Z', 'm', 'v', 'w', 'x', 'vertical bar', 'C-cedilla', 'c-cedilla', 'A-ring', 'cent', 'yen', 'E-acute', 'ae ligature', 'peseta', 'florin', 'reversed logical not', 'fractions one half-one quarter', 'selected box drawing characters', 'left-and-right blocks', 'greek alpha, gamma, pi, sigma', 'mu', 'equivalence', 'less-greater or equal', 'top-bottom half integral', 'approximately equal', 'radical root', 'small superscript n'.
}}

=== Taritus ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Curses 640x300diag.png]]
|author=Taritus
|dated=2009-03-23
|size=8×12
|resolution=640×300
|comments=Yuppers. I requested it a long time ago when everyone else was requesting different sized square tilesets with diagonal walls, and nobody ever fulfilled the request. I decided, "Oh, it's not like I have some menial and huge English project that's due tomorrow to work on, I'm going to make that." And I did.--[[User:Taritus|Taritus]] 20:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
}}

=== Thom ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:Curses_24pt_cleartype_ThomModifications.PNG|Not shown due to size]]
|author=Herrbdog
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=20×24
|resolution=1600×800
|comments=Hi res won't slow the game as it doesn't use graphics, so if your monitor can display it, go for it, really... I strongly recommend to enable blackspace in the init: [BLACK_SPACE:YES] Made from the 24pts cleartype lucida console above (from winterwing). I added some stuff (some original, some ideas taken from others tilesets). Basically I try to avoid symbols that are often seen in menus, etc. The main "problem" is the bag, because its the male symbol, but it was too good looking to not put it ;) Hope you enjoy :) . . .Note: Winterwing's tileset is now lost. --[[User:Savok|Savok]]
}}

=== UncleSporky ===

[[Image:UncleSporky_DFTiles1.png|thumb|right|UncleSporky Tileset]]
[[Image:UncleSporky_DFTiles2.png|thumb|right|UncleSporky Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:UncleSporky_curses_800x600.png]]
|author=UncleSporky
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×300
|comments=
}}

=== Xenomorph ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Acorntileset.png]]
|author=[[User:Xenomorph|Xenomorph]]
|dated=2008-8-9
|size=8×16
|resolution=640×400
|comments=This is the tileset used by Acorn computers, starting with the BBC Micro. This version is as it would have appeared in 80-column modes (albeit adapted to CP437). [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=408 Download the BMP.]
}}

=== Zaratustra ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_megazeux2.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×14
|resolution=640×350
|comments=EGA font with added Megazeux modifications.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_custom800x300ca3.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×300, 800×600 (non-reccomended)
|comments=Has an appropriate [http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Object_Tilesets#10x12_version object tileset for v0.23.130.23a (now outdated)].
}}

== Tiny tilesets ==

Sets smaller than 8×8. Used for playing in tiny windows, large grids, display massive maps and perhaps videos.

=== Herrbdog ===

[[Image:Herrbdog_7x7.jpg|thumb|right|herrbdog's 7x7 tileset]]
{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:Herrbdog_7x7_tileset.gif]]
|author=[[User:herrbdog|herrbdog]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=7×7
|resolution=560×175
|comments=
}}

=== Kein ===

[[Image:Kein_400x125.gif|thumb|right|Kein's 5x5]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kein_400x125.png]]
|author=[[User:Kein|Kein]]
|dated=2008-8-7
|size=5×5
|resolution=400×125
|comments=A large 257x257 DFMA world gen map can be found [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-3278-5x5largeworldmap here.]Updated 08/06/08. Changed most text characters as well as some others to 4x4 with blackspace to avoid tiling. Most characters have been revised to be spaced out to be more distinguishable in such a small set. After seeing the dev update earlier today about increasing your view size I decided to create this small font. This has been built completely from scratch, mostly while at work today. I may be making a shaded version in the future. The first image to the right is from the Abeyverse succession game.
}}

=== Lord Nightmare ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord Nightmare 6x6font01.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare
|dated=2007-11-5
|size=6×6
|resolution=480×150
|comments=Made in 5 hours on 11/5/07 (I was bored and dissatisfied with other fonts). Most glyphs are really 5×6, with a seperator column.
}}

[[Image:Nightmare_6x6_v2.jpg|thumb|right|Lord Nightmare's 6x6 v2]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord Nightmare 6x6font02.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare
|dated=2007-11-12
|size=6×6
|resolution=480×150
|comments=Version 2.05. Updated 11/12/07 to de-fuzz uppercase letters, added serifs and clarified lowercase letters, made horizontal spacing consistent throughout character set, fixed one error in the double horizontal-left-right, single-vertical-up-down character, made exclamation points consistent, thinned out question mark and inverse question mark, sharpened sideways stemless arrows, clarified international characters, and clarified some greek letters. Since v2.0: fixed 'i' 'g', fixed Yen symbol, fixed smiley 0x01 to not have an extra line to its right, lowered the period and colon characters, fixed position of 'x'. Thanks to Markavian for ideas on how to improve the font, as well as an occasional character glyph.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord-Nightmare-Terminal-4x6.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/Microsoft
|dated=2008-1-27
|size=4×6
|resolution=320×150
|comments=A DF conversion of the 4x6 variant of Microsoft's 'Terminal' Font. Note that I have left the font entirely alone other than converting it, so several glyphs are indistinguishable from one another!
}}

=== Markavian ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Mkv_curses_480x150.png]]
|author=[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=6×6
|resolution=480×150
|comments=The first version the tiny tileset, superceded by the version below.
}}

[[Image:mark_6x6_v2.jpg|thumb|right|Markavian's 6x6 v2]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Mkv_curses_480x150_v2.png]]
|author=[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=6×6
|resolution=480×150
|comments=My second version of the tiny tileset, for uber small resolution DF, with improved visibility of several symbols.
Available in [http://mkv25.net/showcase/df/mkv_curses%2012x12%20and%206x6%20v2.zip mkv curses 12×12 and 6×6 v2.zip].
}}

=== Terbert ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:terbert_7x7.png]]
|author=[[User:Terbert|Terbert]]
|dated=2009-6-30
|size=7×7
|resolution=560×175
|comments=This is a 7x7 tileset made for overseeing large constructions
}}

=== Zaratustra ===

[[Image:Zara_4x6.jpg|thumb|right|Zaratustra's 4x6]]
[[Image:Zara_5x6.jpg|thumb|right|Zaratustra's 5x6]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_custom_4x6.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=4×6
|resolution=320×150
|comments=
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_custom_5x5.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2008-11-20
|size=5×5
|resolution=400×125, 800×250, 800×500
|comments=
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_custom_5x6.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=5×6
|resolution=400×150, 800×300, 800×600
|comments=
}}

[[Category:Modding]]
[[Category:Interface]]

Tileset repository

2009-09-06T16:43:30Z

3lB33: /* Sir Henry */ corrected date

''You may be looking for general information on [[tilesets]] or the [[List of user graphics sets|Graphics set repository]].''

== Square tilesets ==

These are all the character sets with square tiles, except for the character sets with 16×16 tiles. Those are listed [[List_of_user_character_sets#16.C3.9716_tilesets|below]]. Text in square tilesets (as opposed to tilesets with shorter width) is usually more difficult to read, but the map is not distorted.

=== Anikki ===

[[Image:df_anikki_2.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Anikki_square_8x8.png]]
|author=[[User:Anikki|Anikki]]
|dated=2008-7-27
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×200 native.
|comments=Based on the original IBM CGA Character set with a lot of tweaks. The characters remain as descriptive yet universal as possible. I chose the CGA set because it is in my opinion the square set with the best readability. This set is for those who like the basic ASCII look where every pixel has meaning or (multiple meanings). [http://www.anikki.com/share/df/Anikki_square_8x8.bmp Download the BMP]

There is also an upscaled [[#Anikki_2|16x16 version]] of this set available for fullscreen use below.
}}

[[Image:df_anikki_1.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Anikki_square_10x10.png]]
|author=[[User:Anikki|Anikki]]
|dated=2008-7-27
|size=10×10
|resolution=800×250 native.
|comments=Based primarily on Tocky and Plac1d's sets (which are brilliant). The characters remain as descriptive as possible with some tweaks to the font for better readability and some changes to symbols for more consistency. This set is for those who like the basic ASCII look where every pixel has meaning or (multiple meanings). [http://www.anikki.com/share/df/Anikki_square_10x10.bmp Download the BMP]
(Note: The up and down ramps are reversed.)
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Anikki_square_20x20.png]]
|author=[[User:Anikki|Anikki]]
|dated=2008-7-27
|size=20×20
|resolution=1600×500 native.
|comments=Based primarily on Tocky and Plac1d. This is a scaled up version of the 10x10 tileset for fullscreen use. [http://www.anikki.com/share/df/Anikki_square_20x20.bmp Download the BMP]
(Note: The up and down ramps are reversed.)
}}

=== Dorten ===

[[Image:Snap.PNG|thumb|right]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:720x225_SmoothWalls.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Dorten|Dorten]]
|dated=2009-2-13
|size=9×9
|resolution=720×225
|comments=It's improved Savok's tileset, which is changed to make walls look smooth. Plus another little differences.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:720x225_SmoothWalls7.png]]
|author=[[User:Dorten|Dorten]]
|dated=2009-2-13
|size=9×9
|resolution=720×225
|comments=Minor tweak so the 7's don't look like question marks.
}}

=== Hanuman ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:DB_curses_12x12.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Hanuman|Hanuman]]
|dated=2008-7-23
|size=12×12
|resolution=900×300
|comments=This is basically the curses_800x600.bmp file converted to 12x12. It may be slightly different but it is close enough for me. [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=318 Get the .BMP here.]
Note: If the tileset doesn't look right played at 900x300, try changing the resolution to 966x325.
}}

=== Haowan ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Haowan_Curses_1440x450.png]]
|author=Haowan
|dated=2007-11-2
|size=18×18
|resolution=1440×450
|comments=An enlarged version of a square version of the default set.
}}

=== Herrbdog ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Herrbdog_144.png]]
|author=Herrbdog
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=A larger version of this tileset is available [[#Herrbdog 2|below]].
}}

=== Lord Dullard ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Dullard_Exponent_12x12.png]]
|author=Lord Dullard/Exponent
|dated=2009-3-30
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300 native
|comments=Adjusted by Exponent, and with new dwarf characters added. A version of the Unknown 12×12 tileset with smoothed walls. Example: [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-5243-wiltedblight Wiltedblight].
}}

=== Lord Nightmare ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:CGA8x8thick.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×400
|comments=The original IBM CGA Character set, thick variant, dumped from addresses 0x1800-0x1fff the 5788005 IBM Character Generator ROM. This is the far more common 'thick' variant. Best viewed at 8:5 aspect ratio.
}}

[[Image:Nightmare_cga_8x8.jpg|thumb|right|Lord Nightmare's 8×8 CGA tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:CGA8x8thin.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2008-6-6
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×400
|comments=The original IBM CGA Character set, thin variant, dumped from addresses 0x1000-0x17ff the 5788005 IBM Character Generator ROM. This is the less common 'thin' variant, which required soldering on two pins and jumpering them on the CGA card to use. Best viewed at 8:5 aspect ratio.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:EGA8x8.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×400
|comments=The IBM EGA 8×8 Character set, dumped from the 6277356 IBM EGA BIOS ROM. This is ALMOST 100% IDENTICAL to the CGA thick font, but has minor modifications (23 pixels total) done to four characters: the capital 'S', the club sign, the spade sign, and the large asterisk (the one with a hole in the middle, char 0x0f, not the shift-8 one which is char 0x2a). There is no thin variant of this font. Best viewed at 8:5 aspect ratio.
}}

=== Maus ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Nostalgia_720x225.png]]
|author=[[User:Maus|maus]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=9×9
|resolution=720×225
|comments=Another square tileset that's usable on low resolutions, modeled after a common font used on the Nintendo Entertainment System. An 18x18 version for 1440x450 resolution is also [[:Image:Nostalgia_1440x450_3e4a08.png|available here]], and is really nice on a widescreen monitor. An NES palette is [[User:Maus|available here]].
}}

=== Markavian ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:mkv_solidcurses_stairs_960x300.png]]
|author=[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]
|dated=2007-12-4
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=This revision is designed to work with DF version 0.27.169.33a with special tiles for [[stair]]s and [[ramp]]s, as well as the changes present in the earlier version such as bones, walls, trees and swords. Available in [http://mkv25.net/showcase/df/mkv_curses%2012×12%20and%206x6%20v2.zip mkv curses 12×12 and 6x6 v2.zip]. As seen in the fortress of [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-1329-axegear Axegear].
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Mkv_solidcurses_960x300.png]]
|author=[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=An older revision of my square tileset, featuring more detailed symbols, with alterations to certain text characters to look more like ingame items. The walls are infilled now. 
Available in [http://mkv25.net/showcase/df/mkv_curses%2012×12%20and%206x6%20v2.zip mkv curses 12×12 and 6x6 v2.zip]. As seen in the fortress of [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-800-inflew. Inkflew].
}}

=== Paul ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Paul_10x10.png]]
|author=[[User:Paul|Paul]]
|dated=2008-9-5
|size=10×10
|resolution=800×250 for 80×25 grid size, others just multiply grid by 10.
|comments=Custom tileset I made for my own use when the adjustable grid sizes were released for DF. Some accented letters cut slightly to allow for larger letter display. Contains several of Tocky's tiles (barrels, some trees, dimple cups, coins, slightly modified armor stand). Others are either made by me or adjusted from curses_800x600 tiles.
}}

=== Savok ===

[[Image:Screenshot_41ea57.png|thumb|right|Savok's tiny, non-updated tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Curses_720x225_8d6752.png]]
|author=[[User:Savok|Savok]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=9×9
|resolution=720×225
|comments=There is no doubt that this tileset is old. This must be distinctly understood if anything wonderful is to come of your use of it. You may like [[List_of_user_character_sets#Dorten|Dorten's revision]] more. The following is the original description: I dislike curses_640x300.bmp due to its lack of any kind of graphics for things like a bed or a barrel and the fact that it distorts my beautiful circles, so I made a similarish tileset to fix those.
}}

=== Sir Henry ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:Sir_Henry%27s_32x32.png|Not shown due to size]]
|author=Sir Henry
|dated=2009-8-19
|size=32×32
|resolution=2560×800
|comments=Recently I learned of a monitor displaying 2560 pixels horizontally, and I decided it needed a tileset to put to use. Taking the tileset I use (Kelora 16x16 diagonal) and doubling it, I was able to get a decent tileset. Smoothing the edges, and redoing some glyphs to get a better look (or just messing up some to bad to fix), I was able to achieve this.
}}

===Teeto_K===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Teeto_K_18x18.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Teeto_K|Teeto_K]]
|dated=2008-10-24
|size=18×18
|resolution=1440×450
|comments=A tileset based on [[:Image:Nostalgia_1440x450_3e4a08.png|Maus's 18x18 version of his "Nostalgia" tileset]], however, it has been heavily revised. The entire font has been "smoothed over", and many of the symbols changed to more "graphical" representations of the items they represent. An attempt to fill the void of "graphic heavy" tilesets in the 18x18 tile-size. A special emphasis is placed on maximizing the text's readability, while still providing a "graphics enhanced" play area. Special thanks to Maus for the font, and Guybrush for the inspiration.
}}

=== Terbert ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Terbert_10x10.png]]
|author=[[User:Terbert|Terbert]]
|dated=2009-6-30
|size=10×10
|resolution=800×250
|comments=This is Terbert's First tileset
}}

=== Tocky ===

[[Image:Df_tock10_1.PNG|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tocky_square_10x10.png]]
|author=[[User:Tocky|Tocky]]
|dated=2007-11-15
|size=10×10
|resolution=800×250 native, 800×500 for fullscreen.
|comments=I tried to make all the pictographic symbols as descriptive as possible: the only ones I've spotted that show up in odd places are the staircase symbols, '<' and '>', which are used as tags on barrel descriptions, and don't match -- but I'm willing to live with that in order to be able to tell up-stairs from down- ones. With everything else, I just tried to maximize clarity and readability and to keep them consistent. I'm really very pleased with how this set turned out.
}}

=== Turnip ===

[[Image:Rev7.PNG|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Markvii.png]]
|author=[[User:Turnip|Turnip]]
|dated=2009-7-9
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=My revision of Markavian's tileset, made to be more "curvy"
}}

=== Unknown ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tileset_unknown_960x300_02.png]]
|author=Unknown
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=This is a tileset submitted by an unknown user from the IP address 86.43.81.125. 
}}

[[Image:Unknown_12x12.jpg|thumb|right|Unknown 12×12 v2]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Unknown_curses_12x12.png]]
|author=Unknown
|dated=2007-11-24
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=This is very similar to the above tileset, but has some noticeable differences. I have no idea where I got it from. It's great on a 1024x768 CRT monitor in windowed mode. I use it in a 1000x500 window with [BLACKSPACE:YES]. --[[User:JT|JT]]
}}

=== Xenomorph ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Acorntileset8x8.png]]
|author=[[User:Xenomorph|Xenomorph]]
|dated=2008-8-9
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×200
|comments=This is the tileset used by Acorn computers, starting with the BBC Micro. This version is as it would have appeared in 40-column modes (and shuffled a little to adapt it to CP437). It also looks nice at double resolution. [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=407 Download the BMP.]
}}

=== Yayo ===

[[Image:yayo_c64_640x200_screenshot.png|thumb|right|yayo's c64 Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:yayo_c64_640x200.png]]
|author=[[User:Yayo|Yayo]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×200
|comments=Name: Yayo's C64; Based on the charset of the commodore 64. It's a flat style, but it's clean and also highly readable. I recreated all the missing chars like letters with accents and symbols, trying to get a c64 style as much as possible. If it's too small, use the 16×16 version [[#Yayo_2|below]]. :)
}}

[[Image:yayo_tunur_1040x325_screenshot.png|thumb|right|yayo's Tunur Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:yayo_tunur_1040x325.png]]
|author=[[User:Yayo|Yayo]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=13×13
|resolution=1040×325
|comments=Name: Yayo's Tunur; According to the language files of DF, Tunur means "style" in dwarf language. It may require a bit to get used to some symbols, but it's a very clean tileset. (It's just a bit weird. :P)
}}

=== Zaratustra ===

[[Image:Zara_8x8.jpg|thumb|right|Zaratustra's 8×8 tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_msx.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×200 or 640×400
|comments= The MSX and MSX2 font, shuffled around to fit the char set. Double lines were added.
}}

== 16×16 tilesets ==

The 16×16 tilesets are a subset of square character sets. 16×16 is a frequently used size, as shown by the number of tilesets in this section. This is probably because all of the best creature graphics sets use 16×16 tiles. Those alternate sets for creatures can be found at [[graphics sets]]. '''If your screen is too small for these, turn on BLACK_SPACE!'''

=== Aesomatica ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Aesomatica_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Aesomatica|Aesomatica]]
|dated=2008-11-29
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400 native.
|comments=Tileset intended to build upon [[User:Sphr|Sphr's]] and [[User:Jackard|Jackard's]] work, as well as others. Some tiles are original, some are variants and most are copied from various sets the author found pleasing. Notable originals include the broken bolt/ashes tiles, the ballista heads/large hills, the small hills, the ore (gear animation is pleasing, though axle animation is unimproved), ground tiles, and vermin. Also, bins look decent and up/down stairs look okay. This set looks its best with Sphr's graphics.
}}

=== Anikki ===

[[Image:df_anikki_2.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Anikki_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Anikki|Anikki]]
|dated=2008-7-27
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400 native.
|comments=Based on the original IBM CGA Character set with a lot of tweaks. The characters remain as descriptive yet universal as possible. I chose the CGA set because it is in my opinion the suqare set with the best readability. This set is for those who like the basic ASCII look where every pixel has meaning or (multiple meanings). This is a scaled up version for fullscreen use. [http://www.anikki.com/share/df/Anikki_square_16x16.bmp Download the BMP]
}}

=== Belal ===

[[Image:Belal_Example.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Belal_Smooth_Walls.png]]
|author=[[User:Belal|Belal]]
|dated=2009-1-9
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400 native.
|comments=Based on the Mike Mayday tileset and using angled smoothed walls as in [[User:Dorten|Dorten's]] Tileset. I like the look of the walls for doing near circular or honeycomb layouts. [http://mkv25.net/dfma/poi-9935-seethewallshere Example Fort]
}}

=== Cooz ===

[[Image:Cooz_Tileset_Screenshot.png|thumb|right|Cooz's Tileset]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Cooz_curses_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Cooz|Cooz]]
|dated=2009-2-28
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400 native.
|comments=v1.1 - 3px wide walls and some other tweaks. Based on Klokjammer and Marble Dice tilesets. Some tiles were taken from other sets, some were made from scratch. The aim was to keep feel of default curses font in 16×16 tileset. There's also [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Image:Cooz_curses_square_flat_16x16.png version without shading].
}}

=== Flying Mage ===

{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:Flying_Mage_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Flying Mage|Flying Mage]]
|dated=2008-4-12
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A 16×16 tileset based on several other tilesets by various authors. I did some changes because I like some things in different ways, but the base for tileset was made by another users and for this I thankful. List of major and minor changes you can see below. And I hope you'll enjoy this. There is some tiles I really proud of :) 
*[[:Image:Flying_Mage_square_16x16_Major_Changes.png|Major changes]] 
*[[:Image:Flying_Mage_square_16x16_Minor_Changes.png|Minor changes]]
*[[:Image:Flying_Mage_square_16x16_Stone_Type.png|Some ''rough/smoothed/engraved stone'' improvement]]
}}

=== Dwarfletter ===

[[Image:Dwarfletter1.png|thumb|right|Dwarfletter - Stockile]]


{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:DwarfletterGothic.PNG]]
|author=LordZorinthrox
|dated=2009-7-20
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=[[http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=1205|Download here]] 
;see also
:[[:File:Dwarfletter2.png|Status screen - Font]]
:[[:File:Dwarfletter3.png|Foliage]]
:[[:File:Dwarfletter4.png|Ballista]]
}}

=== Guybrush ===

[[Image:GuybrushScreenshot1.PNG|thumb|right|Guybrush Tileset]]
[[Image:GuybrushScreenshot2.PNG|thumb|right|the wilderness...]]

{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:Guybrush_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]]
|dated=2007-11-15
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A 16×16 tileset based on the very nice Herrbdog's one, and for use with the superb [[Graphics_sets#Dystopian_Rhetoric|Dystopian Rhetoric objects]]. A slightly modified version of Herrbdog's tileset is available below if you want to keep the original ASCII symbols for some objects (just do some cut & paste). It's just a little brighter and with some very slight changes. The tileset shown is a tileset with graphic objects added, for use with Fortress Mode.

I recommend to have a look at the [[color schemes|color schemes page]] to find your favorite color settings. The color scheme I used for the screenshots is [[Color_Schemes#.28Yet.29_Another_scheme|this one]].}}

{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:GuybrushASCII_curses_square_16x16.png]]
|author=Herrbdog, modified by [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Here is the slightly modified version of Herrbdog's tileset which still has all the ASCII characters intact
}}

=== Herrbdog ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Herrbdog_16x16_tileset.gif]]
|author=Herrbdog
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=The 16×16 version of Herrbdog's tileset. Further discussion of herrbdog's tilesets is available in the Bay 12 forums:
http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=000832
}}

=== Inquisitor Saturn ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:MRC_square_16x16.png]]
|author=Inquisitor Saturn
|dated=2008-5-18
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Another 16 by 16 tileset. This one is notable because of the subtle shadowing and a completely original, hand-made font.
}}

=== Isenhertz ===

[[Image:isenhertz_v2_screenshot.png|thumb|right|Isenhertz's tileset in action.]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:16x16_isenhertz_v2.png]]
|author=[[User:Isenhertz|Isenhertz]]
|dated=2008-7-14
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Impressed with the genius of using sprites as tiles, I cobbled together this tileset of my own. It uses Super Foul Egg's superb font as a base, with several sprites also found in other users' sets. Because a lot of letters are used for graphics, I suggest that you [[User:Jackard|remove accented letters from names]] with this set. I also suggest you shift some items to other icons, such as the coniferous trees (change Pine, Cedar, Larch from 024 to 147), the turtle (change 15 to 151), and Quarry Bush leaves (change from 006 to 003).
V2 now with new graphics for walls and liquids, as well as some other tweaks here and there and a first attempt at using dual-color sprites using a cyan base instead of simple greyscale. (Right now implemented for beds, wood and statues.)
V1 can still be found [[:Image:16x16_isenhertz_v1.png|here]].
}}

=== Kaishaku ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kai-1280x400-v2 7512b5.png]]
|author=Kaishaku
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A square 1280×400 font. Simple and legible. Converted from roarl's 16×16 nethack font, on top of super foul egg's template, extended manually and with ideas from lucida console. This is version 1, created in one morning. Screenshots available [http://kaishaku.org/dwarfort here].
}}

=== Kelora ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kelora_16x16_diagonal.png]]
|author=[[User:Kelora|Kelora]]
|dated=2009-7-26
|size=16×16
|resolution=
|comments=A square tileset using the diagonal wall concept from Belal and others but simplified drastically to improve the appearance. All the walls line up correctly and have consistent widths.
I did not use much of the pretty but confusing art I see in many of the other sets. I tried for a while to incorporate many of these but found that with the multiple uses for most characters they were just wrong far too often to be useful. The only ones that seem to work are the dwarves which I took from Flying Mage / Guybrush. The pretty 3Dish fonts as well just seem to look muddier and be less legible. I love it and my husband has been happily playing it for months.
}}

=== Klokjammer ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kjammer square 16x16 v02.png]]
|author=[[User:Klokjammer|Klokjammer]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Name: ''"Masked Adventurer"'' - after tile (0,4), where '@' used to be. A somewhat abstract version of the original curses square tileset, but with the alpha numeric characters shaped so as not to look distorted. Other symbols are either borrowed from or improved from curses, and some (including the dwarves) were created from the ground up. Alternate variations, are available [[User:Klokjammer#My Tilesets|here]].
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kjammer square 16x16 v00.png]]
|author=[[User:Klokjammer|Klokjammer]]
|dated=2007-10-31
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A "clean" version of the above set, one without any fancy tiles (except for the dwarves).
}}

=== Marble Dice ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Md_curses_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=This tileset attempts to modify the size and aspect ratio of the classic 8x12 terminal/curses font employed by many rougelikes without sacrificing the distinctive character.
}}

=== Martin ===

[[Image:Martin_16x16_sample.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Martin_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Martin|Martin]]
|dated=2009-8-8
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=This is a 16x16 tileset based on Redjack and Flying Mage sets (and possible tiles taken from others that I've since lost track of - apologies). Some tiles are original or have been tweaked, mainly to provide a much more subtle background than most. A completely new character set is used to improve legibility, tweaked and anti-aliased for dark backgrounds.

[http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=1316 Download]
[http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-6239-lashedwines Demo fortress at DFMA]
}}

=== Nordic Curses ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:DF-Nordic_v1.png]]
|author=[[User:Techhead|Techhead]]
|dated=2009-3-26
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=My first attempt at a unique curses-style tileset with a Nordic Theme. Some characters have been altered.
}}

=== PTTG ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:PTTGV2tiles.png]]
|author=[[User:PTTG|PTTG]]
|dated=2007-11-21
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A new version! Clean, sharp, and clear. All-original, and large size for big screens! Also features coloured indicators for levers, helping to remove the guesswork. It is good stand-alone, or with my [[List of user graphics sets#PTTG|graphics set]].
}}

=== Random832 ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Msgothic.png]]
|author=[[User:Random832]]
|dated=2009-4-22
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×800 etc
|comments=Based on the ＭＳゴシック (MS Gothic) japanese font, with some gaps filled in from the VGA 8x16 font, and some other characters tweaked by hand.
}}

===Red Jack===
{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:Redjack17.png]]
|author=[[User:Jackard|Jackard]]
|dated=2008-7-22
|size=16x16
|resolution=1280x400
|comments=This combines content from other tilesets with Nintendo sprites to give the game a classic dungeon look. ''Note: Bins are hard to see using this tileset because the "bin" tile is also used as the "up/down staircase" tile. [[Tileset_repository#Aesomatica |Aesomatica]] and [[Tileset_repository#Martin|Martin]] improve upon this tileset making the bin tile easier to see.''

[http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7 You may download all variations of this tileset here.]}}

=== Sappho ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Sapphos_square_16x16.png]]
|author=Sappho
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Another square font, target resolution 1280×400. This one is exactly the same as the default font except it has been made square, painstakingly edited to ensure that nothing looks squished.
}}

=== Savok ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Savok_curses_1280x400_517caa.png]]
|author=[[User:Savok|Savok]]
|dated=2008-6-16
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Unsatisfied with any existing tileset, I decided to go about creating my own. Since I can't create from scratch, I had to take tiles from other tilesets and modify them, in an evolution-like manner, until they became how I wanted them. Since most are dramatically different from the tileset I took them from, I believe I can call them original. In the raws, change the tag [TILE:'U'] for humans to [TILE:172]. This changes both the image and corpse of humans to a unique image, which creature graphics cannot do. The elves also get a different tile, [TILE:171]. I plan to make a separate goblin symbol. If you use it and like it, please leave a message for at [[User talk:Savok|my talk page]] or at [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=201 the DFFD page]. This will greatly speed progress, since I won't be doing it just for myself. Note: The [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=201 DFFD version] is updated more frequently and has the changelist.
}}

=== SL ===

{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:SL_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:SL]]
|dated=2008-8-3
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=(Requires a download, not just the image) Art based on Flying Mage's, Guybrush's, and previous tilesets in that lineage. Uses ModBase to relocate relocatable art and de-accentify certain accented letters to reduce graphical bizarreness while still improving some art. [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=22154.0 Forum Thread] [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=370 Download] [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-3203-flamespear Demo Fortress Map on the DFMA]
}}

=== Spreggo ===

[[Image:Autonomous_Font_example.png|thumb|right|The Autonomous Font in action.]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Autonomous_Font.png]]
|author=Spreggo
|dated=2009-2-2
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Started off inspired by Belal's diagonal support, and ended up doing almost every tile from scratch. Added different tiles for each type of stone, and new ones for ore, but the matgloss files need to be edited for that functionality(see image details).
}}

=== Super Foul Egg ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:SFE_Curses_square_16x16.png]]
|author=Super Foul Egg
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=The font is rough as hell and some of the characters still need attention, but it'll do for now. Since this tileset is for graphics mode I'd rather wait for more complete object support than hack in pictures and gum up the UI. Uppercase from [http://www.zee-3.com/pickfordbros/archive/bitmapfonts.php this site]
}}

=== Tahin ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tahin_16x16_rounded.png]]
|author=[[User:Tahin|Tahin]]
|dated=2007-12-28
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Based on Marble Dice's tileset, above. Smoothed corners are "rounded", which takes some getting used to but look quite nice, in my opinion. I have managed to get all of the standard "L" tiles to fit together nicely, but "T" and "+" don't quite match up. It's not a problem that comes up often, and it still doesn't look that bad, but I'll get to it eventually.
}}

=== The-Moon ===

[[Image:SS_moons_square_16x16.PNG|thumb|right]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Moons_square_16x16.PNG]]
|author=[[User:The-Moon|The-Moon]]
|dated=2008-3-24
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Edited Character set of [[User:mikemayday|mikemayday]] and [[User:Jackard|Jackard]]}}

=== Tigrex ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:tigrex3d.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Tigrex|Tigrex]]
|dated=2009-2-22
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=This is my tileset, modified from Dorten's 2d diagonal wall set. It incorporates many original creations of mine, and I hope you like it.}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:tigrex3drunes.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Tigrex|Tigrex]]
|dated=2009-4-10
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=This is a modification of the above, that takes advantage of Norse runes for a more authentic Dwarven experience. CAUTION! This tileset has little practical value, and may induce myopia, blindness, or death.}}

=== Tim's ===

[[Image:example_tims.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tims_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Timmeh|Timmeh]]
|dated=2009-8-12
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A tileset using heavily modified versions of the diagonal walls from Belal's set, a modified version of the floor from Spreggo's set, most of the furniture and objects are from Flying Mage's set, and some various other bits and pieces from other sets. Replaces the black box that normally surrounds the walls with a copy of the floor tile. [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-5740-foresthold Example Fort]
}}

=== Tyrving ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tyr_1280x400.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Tyrving|Tyrving]]
|dated=2008-2-15
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=None of the existing modifications of curses_square satisfied me, so I made my own. The bulk of it is from Klokjammer's set, with the dwarf symbols and @ taken from Sappho's. Quite a few minor alterations have been made, and I feel that it's become distinct enough to release it.
}}

=== Winterwing ===

[[Image:Winterwing_Dfort-tiles-lucon.png|thumb|right|Lucida Console with Dystopian Rhetoric objects]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Winterwing_Curses_16x16_lucon.png]]
|author=[[User:Winterwing|Winterwing]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Like usual, lucida console with cleartype. Creative, huh. :)
}}

=== Yayo ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Yayo_c64_1280x400_83b157.png]]
|author=[[User:Yayo|Yayo]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Name: Yayo's C64; The 16×16 version of Yayo's tileset.
}}

=== Zaratustra ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-11-10
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Because everyone is making one.
}}

== Non-square tilesets ==

These tilesets are not square. Text in non-square tilesets often looks much better and is often much easier to read than in square tilesets, but the map is distorted.

=== CKY ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[File:Curses_800x600_shade.png]]
|author=[[User:Chinkeeyong|Chinkeeyong]]
|dated=2009-6-11
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×600
|comments=Partially inspired by Eagle of Fire's tiles, below. Essentially, this is the default tileset with a little bevel-style shading around the edges to make it look neater. Also, I fixed the accented 'e' tails to look closer to the standard 'e'.
}}

=== Eagle of Fire ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:eofshaded800x600pb9_f64ded.png]]
|author=[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×600
|comments=Designed for fullscreen. Inspired by Herrbdog's tileset, I created a shaded tileset targeting the default fullscreen 800x600 resolution. Basicaly, you have the exact same "curses" default tileset but with some shading done to the lower right of each letters and items. I've left alone everything which was related to mining or was meant to be plain, for example the smoothered tiles and the plain tiles in the demo. The reason behind that is that I didn't find much logic to have those graphics shaded as they could possibly connect on any direction on the screen, which would make the shading a little strange. Please note that this tileset is only a "beta". I might work on it again if there is enough people who like it and would like improvements. You can discuss the matter [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=000645 here].
}}

=== Inquisitor Saturn ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:MRC_1280x600.png]]
|author=[[User:InquisitorSaturn|Inquisitor Saturn]]
|dated=2008-2-28
|size=16×24
|resolution=1280×600
|comments=Designed for a double-sized window mode. Based on the default set, but more detailed and with a few custom characters. Good for those who want larger characters but enjoy the aesthetics of the default set.
}}

=== Kein ===

[[Image:Kein-curs.gif|thumb|right|Kein's Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kein_640x300.png]]
|author=Kein
|dated=2008-8-9
|size=8×12
|resolution=640×300
|comments=Updated 08/09/09. Updated most characters, the biggest change is the 3d style walls. If you use my set I'd highly recommend [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/List_of_user_graphics_sets#Plac1d Plac1d's character graphic set.] My 640×300, everything completely shaded.
}}

=== Lord Nightmare ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:MDA8x14.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×14
|resolution=640×350
|comments=The original IBM MDA character set, dumped from addresses 0x0000-0x0fff the 5788005 IBM Character Generator ROM. This font is as would be displayed on an EGA/VGA with the 9-pixel-width mode disabled. Best for a 64:35 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 640x480. The MDA card did not actually support displaying the font in 8x14, but ONLY 9x14 mode, see below. Theoretically, you CAN upload this font into EGA video memory though and use it.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:MDA9x14.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=9×14
|resolution=720×350
|comments=The original IBM MDA character set, dumped from addresses 0x0000-0x0fff the 5788005 IBM Character Generator ROM. This font is as would be displayed on a real MDA card (use a black/dkgreen/ltgreen palette for full monochrome effect) or on an EGA/VGA card with the 9-pixel-width mode enabled. Best for a 72:35 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 720x480.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:EGA8x14.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×14
|resolution=640×350
|comments=The IBM EGA character set, dumped from the 6277356 IBM EGA BIOS ROM. This font is as would be displayed on an EGA/VGA with the 9-pixel-width mode disabled. Best for a 64:35 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 640x480. This font is different from the MDA version in that many characters are slightly narrower to avoid 'running into' each other, and many characters have been shifted slightly to the left.
Thanks to Zaratustra for poking me into getting this done, and for related help.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:EGA9x14.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=9×14
|resolution=720×350
|comments=The IBM EGA character set, dumped from the 6277356 IBM EGA BIOS ROM. This font is as would be displayed on an EGA/VGA with the 9-pixel-width mode enabled. Best for a 72:35 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 640x480. This font is actually different from the 8x14 version in that 20 characters have been replaced with the original MDA wide versions. These 'extra' wide characters are sandwiched in between the end of the 8x14 and beginning of the 8×8 font in the EGA BIOS ROM. The changed characters, in ASCII order, are: arrow-left-and-right, '"', '+', '-', 'M', 'T', 'V', 'W', 'X', 'Y', 'Z', 'm', 'v', 'w', 'ae', cent sign, yen, peseta, plus-minus, and division sign. Other than these characters, all characters are the same, with rightmost-row duplicated on the C and D rows like the MDA (though I don't actually know if this is technically correct).
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:VGA8x16.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM?
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×16
|resolution=640×400
|comments=The original? IBM VGA 8x16 character set, (from http://madscientistroom.org/fpga/default-8x16-bram.html) as would be displayed on a VGA card with the 9-pixel-width disabled. Best for an 8:5 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 640x480. This rom has not yet been dumped from a real VGA card, and is coming from a secondary source, so it may be replaced later if I find the real font is different.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord_Nightmare-Fixedsys-02.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/Microsoft
|dated=2007-12-20
|size=8×15
|resolution=640×375
|comments=v2.2 - (v1.0 is [[:Image:Lord_Nightmare-Fixedsys.png|here]]) - Based on Microsoft's Fixedsys font (which dates back to Windows 1.0!), Many glyphs needed redoing by hand since they were absent from the font, since it is an 'ansi' character set and not a code-page 437 one like DF expects. v2.0 Based on Microsoft's Fixedsys font. Updated new glyphs to be more consistent with the Fixedsys style. - v2.1 - update a few more glyphs, namely the integral, the infinity symbol, and the spade, and a few others I'm forgetting. - v2.2 - update the club and spade, and the music notes - v2.3 - fix the fact that 0xF9 and 0xFA were inadvertently swapped.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord_Nightmare-Fixedsys-03.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/Microsoft
|dated=2007-12-20
|size=8×16
|resolution=640×400
|comments=v3.0 - changed font size to 8x16, altered glyphs to respect this. - v3.1 - fix the fact that 0xF9 and 0xFA were inadvertently swapped.
}}

[[Image:Lord_Nightmare_Freehand_screenshot_2b7d67.png|thumb|right|Freehand screenie... ooh, neat! Unreadable.]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord_Nightmare_Freehand_10x16.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare
|dated=2007-12-23
|size=10×16
|resolution=800×400
|comments=v1.0 - A character set drawn entirely in freehand on the tablet PC... with MINIMAL EDITING! Yes, its SUPPOSED to look like that. v1.1 - fixed character 0x02 background (filled smiley), filled in the card suits, minor touch up to the comma, fix black instead of magenta on the greyscale blocks and other tweaks to them, redrew the square block (was 'too clean' before) v1.1a - fixed spade by adding 1 pixel at tip so it doesn't look like another club
}}

[[Image:Lord_Nightmare_Freehand_screenshot_2_05c04b.png|thumb|right|Freehand^2 screenie... ooh, neat! Readable. But ugly.]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord_Nightmare_Freehand^2_10x16.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare
|dated=2008-3-28
|size=10×16
|resolution=800×400
|comments=Freehand^2, v1.2 - A heavily edited version of Freehand, now hopefully less unreadable. V1.2 is the current version, see the image link changelog/older versions.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Vintl01.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/Victor-Sirius
|dated=2007-12-19
|size=10×16
|resolution=800×400
|comments=The Victor 9000/Sirius 1 computer character set, extracted from vintl01.chr.
}}

=== Lumin ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:Lumin_Graphical_1280x800.png|Not shown due to size]]
|author=Lumin
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×32
|resolution=1280×800
|comments=Ideas used from several others on this page. I've also added more detail and color to some objects.
}}

=== Plac1d ===

[[Image:Plac1d_640x300EZ_1.png|thumb|right|Plac1d's Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Plac1d_640x300tileset.png]]
|author=[[User:Plac1d|Plac1d]]
|dated=2008-3-13
|size=8×12
|resolution=640×300
|comments=A tweaked version of [[#Tocky|Tocky's 10×10 tileset]] converted to 8×12. Try using this with my [[List of user graphics sets#Plac1d|graphics set]]!

[http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=63 Download the .BMP]
}}

=== Quietust ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:VGA9x16.png]]
|author=Quietust/IBM?
|dated=2009-7-24
|size=9×16
|resolution=720×400
|comments=The original? IBM VGA 9x16 character set, as would be displayed on a VGA card with the 9-pixel-width enabled.
}}

=== Sergius ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Sleroux_800x300.png]]
|author=Sergius
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×300
|comments=Mostly vanilla tileset, dwarves have graphic from intro [[Utilities#CMVPlayer|Movie]], with some tweaks (for soldiers). I find it helpful for playing (instead of happy faces).
}}

=== Shaja ===

[[Image:Shaja_10-27-09.png|thumb|right|TerminusAliased text]]
[[Image:Shaja_10-13-09.png|thumbnail|right|Terminus24 text]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:TerminusAliased_handedit_gal.png|Not shown due to size]]
|author=[[User:Shaja|Shaja]]
|dated=2008-3-27
|size=20×32
|resolution=1600×800
|comments=Alphanumerics based on Dimitar Zhekov's [http://www.is-vn.bg/hamster/jimmy-en.html Terminus] font with light antialias shading added, walls and some symbols redrawn, others carried over from Thom's 20x32 tileset.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:Terminus24.png|Not shown due to size]]
|author=[[User:Shaja|Shaja]]
|dated=2008-5-19
|size=24×32
|resolution=1920×800
|comments=Revised version of my earlier Terminus 20x32 character set for 1920x800 display.
}}

=== Taritus ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Curses 640x300diag.png]]
|author=Taritus
|dated=2009-03-23
|size=8×12
|resolution=640×300
|comments=Yuppers. I requested it a long time ago when everyone else was requesting different sized square tilesets with diagonal walls, and nobody ever fulfilled the request. I decided, "Oh, it's not like I have some menial and huge English project that's due tomorrow to work on, I'm going to make that." And I did.--[[User:Taritus|Taritus]] 20:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
}}

=== Thom ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:Curses_24pt_cleartype_ThomModifications.PNG|Not shown due to size]]
|author=Herrbdog
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=20×24
|resolution=1600×800
|comments=Hi res won't slow the game as it doesn't use graphics, so if your monitor can display it, go for it, really... I strongly recommend to enable blackspace in the init: [BLACK_SPACE:YES] Made from the 24pts cleartype lucida console above (from winterwing). I added some stuff (some original, some ideas taken from others tilesets). Basically I try to avoid symbols that are often seen in menus, etc. The main "problem" is the bag, because its the male symbol, but it was too good looking to not put it ;) Hope you enjoy :) . . .Note: Winterwing's tileset is now lost. --[[User:Savok|Savok]]
}}

=== UncleSporky ===

[[Image:UncleSporky_DFTiles1.png|thumb|right|UncleSporky Tileset]]
[[Image:UncleSporky_DFTiles2.png|thumb|right|UncleSporky Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:UncleSporky_curses_800x600.png]]
|author=UncleSporky
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×300
|comments=
}}

=== Xenomorph ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Acorntileset.png]]
|author=[[User:Xenomorph|Xenomorph]]
|dated=2008-8-9
|size=8×16
|resolution=640×400
|comments=This is the tileset used by Acorn computers, starting with the BBC Micro. This version is as it would have appeared in 80-column modes (albeit adapted to CP437). [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=408 Download the BMP.]
}}

=== Zaratustra ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_megazeux2.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×14
|resolution=640×350
|comments=EGA font with added Megazeux modifications.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_custom800x300ca3.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×300, 800×600 (non-reccomended)
|comments=Has an appropriate [http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Object_Tilesets#10x12_version object tileset for v0.23.130.23a (now outdated)].
}}

== Tiny tilesets ==

Sets smaller than 8×8. Used for playing in tiny windows, large grids, display massive maps and perhaps videos.

=== Herrbdog ===

[[Image:Herrbdog_7x7.jpg|thumb|right|herrbdog's 7x7 tileset]]
{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:Herrbdog_7x7_tileset.gif]]
|author=[[User:herrbdog|herrbdog]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=7×7
|resolution=560×175
|comments=
}}

=== Kein ===

[[Image:Kein_400x125.gif|thumb|right|Kein's 5x5]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kein_400x125.png]]
|author=[[User:Kein|Kein]]
|dated=2008-8-7
|size=5×5
|resolution=400×125
|comments=A large 257x257 DFMA world gen map can be found [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-3278-5x5largeworldmap here.]Updated 08/06/08. Changed most text characters as well as some others to 4x4 with blackspace to avoid tiling. Most characters have been revised to be spaced out to be more distinguishable in such a small set. After seeing the dev update earlier today about increasing your view size I decided to create this small font. This has been built completely from scratch, mostly while at work today. I may be making a shaded version in the future. The first image to the right is from the Abeyverse succession game.
}}

=== Lord Nightmare ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord Nightmare 6x6font01.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare
|dated=2007-11-5
|size=6×6
|resolution=480×150
|comments=Made in 5 hours on 11/5/07 (I was bored and dissatisfied with other fonts). Most glyphs are really 5×6, with a seperator column.
}}

[[Image:Nightmare_6x6_v2.jpg|thumb|right|Lord Nightmare's 6x6 v2]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord Nightmare 6x6font02.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare
|dated=2007-11-12
|size=6×6
|resolution=480×150
|comments=Version 2.05. Updated 11/12/07 to de-fuzz uppercase letters, added serifs and clarified lowercase letters, made horizontal spacing consistent throughout character set, fixed one error in the double horizontal-left-right, single-vertical-up-down character, made exclamation points consistent, thinned out question mark and inverse question mark, sharpened sideways stemless arrows, clarified international characters, and clarified some greek letters. Since v2.0: fixed 'i' 'g', fixed Yen symbol, fixed smiley 0x01 to not have an extra line to its right, lowered the period and colon characters, fixed position of 'x'. Thanks to Markavian for ideas on how to improve the font, as well as an occasional character glyph.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord-Nightmare-Terminal-4x6.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/Microsoft
|dated=2008-1-27
|size=4×6
|resolution=320×150
|comments=A DF conversion of the 4x6 variant of Microsoft's 'Terminal' Font. Note that I have left the font entirely alone other than converting it, so several glyphs are indistinguishable from one another!
}}

=== Markavian ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Mkv_curses_480x150.png]]
|author=[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=6×6
|resolution=480×150
|comments=The first version the tiny tileset, superceded by the version below.
}}

[[Image:mark_6x6_v2.jpg|thumb|right|Markavian's 6x6 v2]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Mkv_curses_480x150_v2.png]]
|author=[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=6×6
|resolution=480×150
|comments=My second version of the tiny tileset, for uber small resolution DF, with improved visibility of several symbols.
Available in [http://mkv25.net/showcase/df/mkv_curses%2012x12%20and%206x6%20v2.zip mkv curses 12×12 and 6×6 v2.zip].
}}

=== Terbert ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:terbert_7x7.png]]
|author=[[User:Terbert|Terbert]]
|dated=2009-6-30
|size=7×7
|resolution=560×175
|comments=This is a 7x7 tileset made for overseeing large constructions
}}

=== Zaratustra ===

[[Image:Zara_4x6.jpg|thumb|right|Zaratustra's 4x6]]
[[Image:Zara_5x6.jpg|thumb|right|Zaratustra's 5x6]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_custom_4x6.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=4×6
|resolution=320×150
|comments=
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_custom_5x5.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2008-11-20
|size=5×5
|resolution=400×125, 800×250, 800×500
|comments=
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_custom_5x6.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=5×6
|resolution=400×150, 800×300, 800×600
|comments=
}}

== Other tilesets ==

=== Tae ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:CP850.png]]
|author=Tae/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×14
|resolution=640×350
|comments=The original? IBM VGA 8x16 character set, (from http://madscientistroom.org/fpga/default-8x16-bram.html) as would be displayed on a VGA card with the 9-pixel-width disabled. Best for an 8:5 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 640x480. This rom has not yet been dumped from a real VGA card, and is coming from a secondary source, so it may be replaced later if I find the real font is different. The changed characters, in ASCII order are 'zero', 'at', 'M', 'T', 'V', 'W', 'X', 'Y', 'Z', 'm', 'v', 'w', 'x', 'vertical bar', 'C-cedilla', 'c-cedilla', 'A-ring', 'cent', 'yen', 'E-acute', 'ae ligature', 'peseta', 'florin', 'reversed logical not', 'fractions one half-one quarter', 'selected box drawing characters', 'left-and-right blocks', 'greek alpha, gamma, pi, sigma', 'mu', 'equivalence', 'less-greater or equal', 'top-bottom half integral', 'approximately equal', 'radical root', 'small superscript n'.
}}

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40d Talk:Refuse stockpile

2009-09-04T15:08:07Z

3lB33: /* Seasonal Cleanup */

What are the advantages of using a refuse stockpile over a dump zone? That might not be very clear to new players.--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:55, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:Considering myself a new player, the usefulness/function of a dump zone is not clear to me, yes. For now, after some experimentation, i go with not having a dump zone. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 23:17, 15 February 2008 (EST)
::dump zone lets you drop a lot of whatever on 1 square, such as an entire floors worth of stone. you do, however, have to designate each individual thing to be dumped. refuse stockpile only takes trash, but does so automaticaly -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 03:44, 16 February 2008 (EST)

So uh, how do you make a refuse stockpile? What keys in what order? I can't get it to work and I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or if the Dwarfs are being naughty. (Wow! Thanks...I'm not sure how I missed that. :)

press p then r , then enter to start marking the area, move cursor, press enter again, refuse stockpile appears. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 18:45, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Do Shells and bones create miasma? If I create a custom indoor stockpile for them,do I need the airlock system? Currently I only keep fresh hides in a custom stock pile inside a room that holds the butcher and tanner --[[User:Mey|Mey]] 17:03, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:Shells and bones do not generate miasma when indoors. Decaying matter that generates shells and bones will, of course. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 18:07, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

''following is the discussion from [[refuse]], article has been merged with this one''

==chasm==
Is it possible to use a bottomless chasme as a refuse pit?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 08:22, 8 January 2008 (EST)
:Quite possible, and is the intended use for garbage dump zones, as evidenced by the {{k|o}}->{{k|r}} menu that has "Chasm xxx" as opposed to "Dump xxx" or somesuch. Just don't forget that you can't recover anything that gets tossed in there, (i.e. excess stone that you're simply moving out of the way, as opposed to say rotten food or other 'never useful' items.) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:26, 8 January 2008 (EST)

==Refuse Hauling==

Does anyone have any tips on refuse hauling? I have a refuse pit, quite close to my food stockpile but separated by doors. However, the dwarves will often leave the corpses of vermin lying around my food stockpile, generating [[miasma]] in the food stockpile, when I'd far rather they just cleaned up more quickly. Sometimes it helps to mark the vermin corpses for [[dump]]ing, but I'm not patrolling the food stockpile six times a season to look for corpses! Is there any way to make the dwarves prioritise [[clean]]ing higher? --[[User:AlexChurchill|AlexChurchill]] 05:55, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:You could always give the cleaning labor to some peasants. You could have the entire floor as a retractable bridge, so you could dump all the rubbish below. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 07:25, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::AFAIK, the cleaning labor causes dwarves to clean up mud, blood, and broken bolts. Refuse hauling makes them haul vermin corpses. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 08:55, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:Make a dwarf focus on refuse hauling, if nothing else works. [[User:Tardface|Tardface]] 22:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

==Miasma and Location==
I've been working on a glass fortress and my refuse stockpile is {{DFtext|Inside |#808000}}{{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Above Ground|#0f0}}; I have yet to see it emit miasma once even with a booming meat industry. Perhaps it isn't the Inside/Outside flag but the Light/Dark flag that determines if miasma is emitted? Could also be the Above Ground/Subterranean flag, doesn't matter which as you'll never get {{DFtext|Inside |#808000}}{{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Subterranean|#808080}}. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 12:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:Perhaps, but if that's the case, you might also be losing bones and any other refuse in there to the Seasonal Cleanup process. -[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:48, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::I was going to mention disappearing bones (butchered 23 camels but only a single stack of [10] Camel Bones in stockpile, no bonecarving done yet) but the roof over the stockpile that accepts shells/bones/skulls wasn't exactly finished at the time, so I'm waiting a few years of game time and keeping track of my stocks. EDIT: Over the course of 3 months my skull stockpile dwindled down from 16 to 6 and bones from 87 to 55. And unless a stack of turtle will only produced a single shell when eaten, I'm either losing a lot of shells or my food is affected too or both. Had 276 turtles in Spring 207, now down to 184 and only 16 shells in stockpile, Winter 208. I double checked and cooking is disabled for turtles. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 23:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Refuse vs Refuse Stockpile==
I just noticed that we have a Refuse article and a [[Refuse stockpile]] article both about refuse stockpiles. They were pretty much the same before I edited this one (didn't realize there was a Refuse Stockpile article). Should the refuse stockpile article be removed? None of the other [[Stockpile|stockpiles]] listed have their own article (currently links to Refuse stockpile), rather linking to information about the items instead. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 00:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'd ''combine'' them into this one (ensuring that no detail/insight is lost), and make that one a simple redirect. Also copy/paste that "discussion" page here onto this one, into its own section ("Copied from [[refuse stockpile]]") w/ subsections. That's also a good place to make a simple comment that you combined the two, under that main heading, w/ your reasons why ("redundancy" jumps to mind.)''Italic text''

== Exploit ==

Re:[[User talk:Birthright]]
::::Your argument is based on the premise that the predictions of future changes are generally accurate. I'm not willing to accept that assumption. I think the guesses are wrong at least as often as they are right.
::::Also, I don't see how assorted change guesses scattered throughout the wiki will do anything to prepare a newbie when a new version comes around. If you think this is a serious problem, we would be better off consolidating known changes into some sort of release notes page when a new version rolls out.
::::Ad hoc mixing of fact and opinion in the same article is poor style, so I think you are correct (even if you didn't intend it that way) that other exploit comments in articles should be removed. They could be replaced with a "see also: [[exploits]]" link at the bottom of the relevant section. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 13:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== Seasonal Cleanup ==
In response to the [http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Refuse_stockpile&oldid=41281267 last revision], in my experience items disappear after an amount of time and do not wait for season changes. Don't have any proof that the time needed for each item is the same, randomized, or dependent on the creature it came from and if its a skull/bone/shell. Perhaps someone wants to setup a bone, skull, and shell stockpile outside and watch it, counting the days? If I get some time today I'll go ahead and test it. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 21:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:I'll try to do this test this afternoon since it seems like [[User:Elvang|Elvang]] hasn't followed up on this recently.[[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I think the term "cleanup" is misleading because it implies that a dwarf with the [[Cleaning]] labor is going to do something. Would "disappear" or "disapperate" or even "delete" work instead? The items basically are rotting away into dust, and completely disappear from the stocks—which is certainly useful to know when you've got a gazillion hoary marmot bones lying about in your refuse stocks and need to make room for those really [[Creature|valuable]] dragon bones. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Refuse stockpile

2009-09-04T15:07:47Z

3lB33: /* Seasonal Cleanup */

What are the advantages of using a refuse stockpile over a dump zone? That might not be very clear to new players.--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 19:55, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:Considering myself a new player, the usefulness/function of a dump zone is not clear to me, yes. For now, after some experimentation, i go with not having a dump zone. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 23:17, 15 February 2008 (EST)
::dump zone lets you drop a lot of whatever on 1 square, such as an entire floors worth of stone. you do, however, have to designate each individual thing to be dumped. refuse stockpile only takes trash, but does so automaticaly -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 03:44, 16 February 2008 (EST)

So uh, how do you make a refuse stockpile? What keys in what order? I can't get it to work and I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or if the Dwarfs are being naughty. (Wow! Thanks...I'm not sure how I missed that. :)

press p then r , then enter to start marking the area, move cursor, press enter again, refuse stockpile appears. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 18:45, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Do Shells and bones create miasma? If I create a custom indoor stockpile for them,do I need the airlock system? Currently I only keep fresh hides in a custom stock pile inside a room that holds the butcher and tanner --[[User:Mey|Mey]] 17:03, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:Shells and bones do not generate miasma when indoors. Decaying matter that generates shells and bones will, of course. --[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]] 18:07, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

''following is the discussion from [[refuse]], article has been merged with this one''

==chasm==
Is it possible to use a bottomless chasme as a refuse pit?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 08:22, 8 January 2008 (EST)
:Quite possible, and is the intended use for garbage dump zones, as evidenced by the {{k|o}}->{{k|r}} menu that has "Chasm xxx" as opposed to "Dump xxx" or somesuch. Just don't forget that you can't recover anything that gets tossed in there, (i.e. excess stone that you're simply moving out of the way, as opposed to say rotten food or other 'never useful' items.) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:26, 8 January 2008 (EST)

==Refuse Hauling==

Does anyone have any tips on refuse hauling? I have a refuse pit, quite close to my food stockpile but separated by doors. However, the dwarves will often leave the corpses of vermin lying around my food stockpile, generating [[miasma]] in the food stockpile, when I'd far rather they just cleaned up more quickly. Sometimes it helps to mark the vermin corpses for [[dump]]ing, but I'm not patrolling the food stockpile six times a season to look for corpses! Is there any way to make the dwarves prioritise [[clean]]ing higher? --[[User:AlexChurchill|AlexChurchill]] 05:55, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:You could always give the cleaning labor to some peasants. You could have the entire floor as a retractable bridge, so you could dump all the rubbish below. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 07:25, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::AFAIK, the cleaning labor causes dwarves to clean up mud, blood, and broken bolts. Refuse hauling makes them haul vermin corpses. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 08:55, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

:Make a dwarf focus on refuse hauling, if nothing else works. [[User:Tardface|Tardface]] 22:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

==Miasma and Location==
I've been working on a glass fortress and my refuse stockpile is {{DFtext|Inside |#808000}}{{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Above Ground|#0f0}}; I have yet to see it emit miasma once even with a booming meat industry. Perhaps it isn't the Inside/Outside flag but the Light/Dark flag that determines if miasma is emitted? Could also be the Above Ground/Subterranean flag, doesn't matter which as you'll never get {{DFtext|Inside |#808000}}{{DFtext|Light |#ff0}}{{DFtext|Subterranean|#808080}}. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 12:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:Perhaps, but if that's the case, you might also be losing bones and any other refuse in there to the Seasonal Cleanup process. -[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:48, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::I was going to mention disappearing bones (butchered 23 camels but only a single stack of [10] Camel Bones in stockpile, no bonecarving done yet) but the roof over the stockpile that accepts shells/bones/skulls wasn't exactly finished at the time, so I'm waiting a few years of game time and keeping track of my stocks. EDIT: Over the course of 3 months my skull stockpile dwindled down from 16 to 6 and bones from 87 to 55. And unless a stack of turtle will only produced a single shell when eaten, I'm either losing a lot of shells or my food is affected too or both. Had 276 turtles in Spring 207, now down to 184 and only 16 shells in stockpile, Winter 208. I double checked and cooking is disabled for turtles. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 23:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Refuse vs Refuse Stockpile==
I just noticed that we have a Refuse article and a [[Refuse stockpile]] article both about refuse stockpiles. They were pretty much the same before I edited this one (didn't realize there was a Refuse Stockpile article). Should the refuse stockpile article be removed? None of the other [[Stockpile|stockpiles]] listed have their own article (currently links to Refuse stockpile), rather linking to information about the items instead. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 00:57, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'd ''combine'' them into this one (ensuring that no detail/insight is lost), and make that one a simple redirect. Also copy/paste that "discussion" page here onto this one, into its own section ("Copied from [[refuse stockpile]]") w/ subsections. That's also a good place to make a simple comment that you combined the two, under that main heading, w/ your reasons why ("redundancy" jumps to mind.)''Italic text''

== Exploit ==

Re:[[User talk:Birthright]]
::::Your argument is based on the premise that the predictions of future changes are generally accurate. I'm not willing to accept that assumption. I think the guesses are wrong at least as often as they are right.
::::Also, I don't see how assorted change guesses scattered throughout the wiki will do anything to prepare a newbie when a new version comes around. If you think this is a serious problem, we would be better off consolidating known changes into some sort of release notes page when a new version rolls out.
::::Ad hoc mixing of fact and opinion in the same article is poor style, so I think you are correct (even if you didn't intend it that way) that other exploit comments in articles should be removed. They could be replaced with a "see also: [[exploits]]" link at the bottom of the relevant section. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 13:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== Seasonal Cleanup ==
In response to the [http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Refuse_stockpile&oldid=41281267 last revision], in my experience items disappear after an amount of time and do not wait for season changes. Don't have any proof that the time needed for each item is the same, randomized, or dependent on the creature it came from and if its a skull/bone/shell. Perhaps someone wants to setup a bone, skull, and shell stockpile outside and watch it, counting the days? If I get some time today I'll go ahead and test it. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 21:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:I'll try to do this test this afternoon since it seems like [[User:Elvang|Elvang]] hasn't followed up on this recently.

I think the term "cleanup" is misleading because it implies that a dwarf with the [[Cleaning]] labor is going to do something. Would "disappear" or "disapperate" or even "delete" work instead? The items basically are rotting away into dust, and completely disappear from the stocks—which is certainly useful to know when you've got a gazillion hoary marmot bones lying about in your refuse stocks and need to make room for those really [[Creature|valuable]] dragon bones. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Liaison

2009-09-04T00:55:24Z

3lB33: /* odd behaviour out of season/character */

Any idea how to keep them from staying till they go insane. Every winter my dwarves live in fear of the bruce lee of liaisons going into a martial trance.

At first I thought they'd stay if they didn't get to talk with my broker but having a meeting doesn't help get them out. --[[User:Lucid|Lucid]] 17:44, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:Make sure you have your broker free long enough to make your demands and to views theirs, it take about 4 meetings between your broker and the liaison. At least that is how I get him to leave --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 18:08, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

so THAT'S how you do it, good thing I turned off my expo leader from hunting, the damned liason kept on scaring off the deer [the leader, and broker] was chasing :\

== Broker, not Leader? ==

So it's the broker, not the mayor, that meets with these guys? That changes some things. (I'm trying to keep the Liasons outside of my fortess so they don't know where the traps are, if they ever siege.)

No, its the leader/mayor. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 11:33, 20 February 2008 (EST)

:i have my leader and broker separate(not by choice) in my current fort, and noticed that while the dwarf liaison meets with the leader, the human rep most definately meets with the broker, not the leader. --[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 06:57, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

::Ditto, my broker keeps meeting with the Liasons (all of them, i think, certainly the human one) despite not having been mayor for something like 5 years (military dwarves always seem to get elected mayor...). In fact, I just annoyed a human liason because my broker (not mayor) entered a strange mood just as the liason entered my fortress (thus promptly leaving).
::Now, Diplomats meet with the highest ranking leading noble you have (mayor/baron+/etc...), and I don't know why Diplomat redirects to Liason as humans and elves occasionally send a diplomat to make demands or merely comment 'this is a nice place you've carved out for yourself'.
::--[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 06:54, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Ok, I changed this so that it correctly says the human liason meets with your broker. I left the dwarven liason as Mayor but I'm not certain that's true - my one still existent game which is suitably set up to check this otherwise is now the mountainhome, so I'm unable to verify at present. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 21:07, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

::Anecdotal evidence of dwarven liason using Mayor/Exp Leader - I got an initial set of dwarves where they made someone expedition leader who didn't have the broker skills, so exp leader and broker were different dwarves. Dwarven Liason met with Exp Leader. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 15:55, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

Confirming it's the expedition leader, i currently only have on dwarf (hermit challenge) and he's the expedition leader, and the dwarven liason meets with him. (Sorta lame really, let him live, sheesh)

== really set off traps? ==
I have both liaisons walk through a maze of traps every time they visit, never got hurt. Maybe a 38a/b/c bug? What kind of traps were they triggering?--[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 23:56, 27 February 2008 (EST)

:I'm running DF 38a and every year when the caravans arrive I get a new human corpse to loot. My liasons ''never'' make it past my traps (weapon[disc] and stonefall). I wish they would, I'd like to adjust what they bring. [[User:Ripheus|Ripheus]] 21:00, 3 March 2008 (EST)
::well known bug for 38a, it was fixed in 38b -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 21:54, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Mine just set off a Trap too. Died. Running verson 40c for mac. --[[User:OmegaX|OmegaX]] 09:19, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

== Can't assign new leader; wiki article is incorrect ==

Leaders are elected and can't be manually chosen. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 23:34, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I may be remembering wrong, but I recall my liasons wanting to meet my Broker, who is manually chosen. [[User:Ripheus|Ripheus]] 01:52, 9 March 2008 (EST)

== Diplomat ==

I have an elven diplomat telling my duchess not to cut down more than 55 trees (and calling her short.. a member of Elves for the Ethical Treatment of Trees?). Is this kind of diplomat separate from the trade liaison? The page [[Diplomat]] redirects here.. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 13:18, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

:Yes and no. We should maybe move this page to "diplomat" as both the human and dwarven one (and the elven one? never had one of those although im trying hard *grin*) are called diplomat in the unit list. On the other hand the elves never send a trade diplomat(?) so, yes he is somewhat different, but should be included then... --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:37, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

== weird trigger for liaison screens ==
it seems once the meeting has started the usual delay between the screens can be avoided by marking tiles for digging with the mouse - this will cause the screens to pop up during marking (just be careful with pressing space bar) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 14:29, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

== odd behaviour out of season/character ==
My siege engineer has just spend a while wandering around my fortress with the job "Attend Meeting" even though a) he is not the broker or mayor, b) there are no merchants or liasons on the map. He would go to one place and just stand there doing nothing then walk to another place and repeat. This went on for a while then he just went back to normal. There were other jobs he could have been doing at the time. Most odd. Is this a bug should I report it? [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 19:19, 29 March 2008 (EDT)
:To clear up a point of confusion the job "Conduct Meeting" is the job assigned to the Mayor,Broker, or Baron/Count. After dwarven economy is running a dwarf might get the job "Attend Meeting". That dwarf seeks a meeting with the Mayor. If the Mayor is busy he will continue to follow the Mayor around until he is free. The solution I found is to switch off the Mayor's labors so he's free to conduct the meeting. The meeting is usually quick and then you'll get the other dwarf working again.--[[User:Angus|Angus]] 20:52, 29 March 2008 (EDT)
::Some claim that this is a bug. If the person seeking the meeting gets his meeting, but then the Leader gets distracted, the "Attending Meeting" status will never go away. The [[Meeting|solution suggested]] is to Activate them into the military then deactivate them. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 00:55, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

== verified some embarrassment factors ==
From dwarfort.exe
(Name) was embarrassed to have to conduct an official meeting in a dining room.
(Name) was very embarrassed to have to conduct an official meeting in a bedroom.
[[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 19:58, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

: I would be happier if someone could verify that it is actually _used_ in game, but, well. You see, my palace office never triggered any thought. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 21:13, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

::Try giving them a dining room and no office, koltom. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 14:26, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

:::I got these unhappy thoughts from meetings conducted in public dining halls that were also designated as meeting halls. (I do not know whether they also happen from nobles' personal dining rooms designated from private tables.) They seem to be very minor unhappy thoughts, so I'm not going out of my way to avoid such designations to keep my idlers from going to hang out by the wagon in the fortresses' early stages. --[[User:Brent Not Broken|Brent Not Broken]] 12:31, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

== Liaisons, zoo material? ==

I want to know whether or not to trap the liaisons before they leave and have them in cages. Should I do this or not?--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 19:17, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

:hm..
: *You can't trap them (unless you mean locking them in a room)
: *You can't assign them to cages
: If u don't let them leave they will go crazy and your requests for trade items will most likely be ignored
: why do you want to trap them? (okay, they are annoying, but also useful) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 08:41, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

==Human Diplomat==
Added information about the human diplomat, whom i've seen meeting with my Baron/Count/Duke often enough (4 different games, multiple times in each). They don't seem to do much at present - though I haven't tried to incur a human siege of my fortress to see if they sue for peace if you beat them. I imagine they could theoretically make demands like the elven diplomat does, except they aren't picky about things like cutting down trees. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 21:07, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

== Meeting With Elves ==

What happens if you choose different option instead of saying yes to whatever they say? The number of trees keep going lower...57....43...37...well they aren't the exact numbers but close to them. I might want to try to fight them once. I've got some ore to melt and I need a good amount of charcoal... They appear every year after cutting too much trees?--[[User:Seaneat|Seaneat]] 23:36, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

New meeting with elves craziness - i've seriously cut down like 10 cacti total, and that was over 5 years ago. Wood imports have been more than sufficient since then. The elf diplomat shows up for the first time and tells me I've been disrespecting the trees. Does the diplomat always say the same thing? Because he's making no sense whatsoever. In addition to their being absolutely no trees on my map (Yay Saguaros?), I haven't even chopped any in ages. I've bought 20x the amount I ever chopped from the elven caravans. How have I been disrespecting the 'trees'? --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 02:28, 9 December 2008 (EST)

I have a fortress where I didn't cut a single tree (there is none) and the elf was happy with me... So no, not always the same, but it seems that the disrespect starts at the very first log. [[User:Matakuka|Matakuka]] 12:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== liaison - dead and gone? (death of a salesman) ==
When in the first summer the dwarven caravan arrived with the outpost liaison at my latest fortress, the liason made it savely past the traps but seems to have died just in front of the depot - no blood to be seen, no message in the announcement, just as he had died a natural death.
Strange enough, but after I provided him a coffin, in the next year the dwarves came without another liaison. So I disposed the treacherous coffin and bones in my crush-o-mat. But that didn't have any effect either: There didn't come any liaison anymore.
In the first place I wonder why he died, and also why he isn't succeeded?!--[[User:Doub|Doub]]

== Left Unhappily? ==

I just got a message
"Diplomacy Stymied. A diplomat has left unhappy."
The last part of the meeting never occured, and my mayor was unable to meet him, due to seige. Was the dwarven diplomat. --[[User:OmegaX|OmegaX]] 17:59, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

== Person to meet set when liaison arrives? ==

When the human liaison arrived this year, I had "Trader Joe" Stukosshed as my Broker. Shortly after, the goblins sieged and Joe got hit by a stray arrow while evacuating. His arm is mangled, so he's resting. I assigned a new broker, but it looks like the Human liaison is holding vigil beside Joe's bed, waiting for him to wake up to run the meeting. -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 16:32, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

==Liaison dead??==

The human guild representative was walking around my fort; he seemed all fine, did not set off any traps. Suddenly, a few (real-life) minutes later, I see a human corpse in my refuse stockpile. He also didn't even have a meeting (note: he died about 2 months after the caravan left). Should I expect a human siege?

: Probably, yes. [[User:Timst|Timst]] 13:12, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

== 404 meeting not found ==

Issue resolved. The problem was that my mayor wanted to update stockpile records instead of take the damn meeting. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:50, 16 January 2009 (EST)

==No Liaison?==
First year, rather rough terrain, dwarf caravan arrived just fine though but... no liaison? At all? I kind of wanted to request bauxite... I guess I'm glad I brought some with me... Has anyone else had this happen? What's going on? --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 14:15, 21 November 2008 (EST)

:I have a similar problem in my current game, for the simple reason that I have embarked as part of a tiny civilisation - one which apparently has no king. No king means no liaison. This happened because of my parameters, but I'm sure that it can happen coincidentally in the unaltered game as well. [[User:Aosher|Aosher]] 12:47, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

::I had a similar incident a while back, where the liaison never showed up, not even in the first year. I didn't think to check whether or not my civ had a king/queen, but I was on a terrifying glacier so I had just assumed he had froze to death or something before reaching my site.--[[User:Mjo625|Mjo625]] 13:46, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

::Hmm... I have the same thing happening to me. I checked my civilization on the civilization menu and it just says: "Ruler/King" for the head of the civilization. Doesn't this mean I have a king? If not, how do you know if you have a king?--[[User:Jpwrunyan|Jpwrunyan]] 09:00, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

==Liaison dead?, help==
My liaison died to a goblin ambush a few years back on his way out.. midwinter. Do I never get a new one or the chance to request stuff again?--[[User:Cultiststeve|cultiststeve]] 11:00, 11 January 2009 (EST)

==Insane Liason==
How long does it take to drive a dwarven liason insane from being ingored? They guy's getting on my nerves, lurking outside the door and not letting poor Elfcrusher leave.

:The timer only seems to start if he's met/seen the dwarf he wants to talk to. I've had a Liaison wander around for 3 years because he couldn't get anywhere near my mayor/broker - enough time he should have gone insane otherwise. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 11:57, 31 January 2009 (EST)

::Then I'm lucky the wolves decided to vist. Cheers anyway. --[[User:Simmura McCrea|Simmura McCrea]] 14:22, 31 January 2009 (EST)

== Elven diplomat, ...what? ==

So, today an elven diplomat came to me and said I had carved a nice place out for myself. Then he left, which left me quite confused. Earlier an elven caravan arrived but was ambushed and brutally killed, is that why the diplomat came? If so, why didn't he say anything? [[User:Tardface|Tardface]] 12:42, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

:Your baroness / countess / duchess will get liaisons from friendly civilisations occasionally. They often just say that you have carved out a lovely place, then leave. Did you get a new noble recently? [[User:Aosher|Aosher]] 12:46, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

:That's sound like what the human diplomat tends to say. Are you sure the elf was from an elf civilization, or was it an elf working for the humans? --[[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 20:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

::I got an elven diplo who just moped about too many trees cut and how he didn't expect any better from us. No quota. Is that new? Is that bad? Or kinda a prestage? --[[User:Höhlenschreck|Höhlenschreck]] 21:52, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== Dwarven Liaison becomes Advisor? ==

In my last fortress (which got a standard King), the [[Advisor]] turned out to be the outpost liaison for my civilization. Coincidence, or does this always happen? --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 13:14, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

== humans observing traps ==

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The human page says that any traps a human noble observes will not trigger for sieging humans. That should probably be mentioned here, plus which of the human liasons (all?) have this ability, plus tips to prevent trap observation from happening. It would also be nice to see whether or not deconstructing a trap and then building an identical one in the same place is enough to counter it (I suspect it is). [[User:Arrkhal|Arrkhal]] 22:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

40d:Meeting

2009-09-03T18:01:07Z

3lB33: Whoops, missed one.

[[Noble]] [[dwarves]] need to schedule occasional '''meetings''' with [[liaison|representatives]] from the homelands and foreign [[diplomat]]s. Meetings generally begin when the seasonal [[caravan]] arrives; merchants and traders usually have a diplomat accompanying them. Diplomats will meet with the [[expedition leader]], [[mayor]], [[baron]], [[count]], [[duke]], or [[king]], whichever is of highest rank, while guild representatives will meet with your [[broker]] to discuss [[trade]] agreements. The foreigner will follow the relevant [[dwarf]] around the [[fortress]] until the meeting is finished; if your nobles have a lot of labours turned on, the meeting might take several [[calendar|months]] to conclude.

If the dwarf has an [[office]], the meeting will take place there; a high-quality office will give the dwarf who scheduled the meeting a happy [[thought]], while a poor office will upset the dwarf. If the dwarf does not have an office, the meeting will take place in a [[meeting hall]], which is to say a [[dining room]] that has the "Meeting Hall" option turned on. Meeting in public sometimes embarrasses the dwarf, who receives an unhappy thought from having to conduct a meeting in such circumstances. Also, if your leader is taken by a [[strange mood]] during the meeting, the [[diplomat]] will leave unhappy.

Unhappy civilians sometimes schedule their own meetings with the [[Leader]] in order to yell at him or her. The leader will use a social [[Skill]], such as [[Consoler]], to calm the unhappy dwarf with results depending on the leader's skill level. This process is a bit buggy -- if the leader is interrupted during the meeting, the civilian will sometimes get stuck in the "Conduct Meeting" labour. Drafting and undrafting the civilian might help snap them out of it.

Non-[[legendary]] dwarves, if left idle for long period of time, will periodically meet with the [[manager]] to complain about job scarcity.

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'''See also:''' [[Leader]]
[[Category:Nobles]]
[[Category:Fortress mode]]

40d:Meeting

2009-09-03T17:59:08Z

3lB33: Added more info for purpose of meeting

[[Noble]] [[dwarves]] need to schedule occasional '''meetings''' with [[liaison|representatives]] from the homelands and foreign [[diplomat]]s. Meetings generally begin when the seasonal [[caravan]] arrives; merchants and traders usually have a diplomat accompanying them. Diplomats will meet with the [[expedition leader]], [[mayor]], [[baron]], [[count]], [[duke]], or [[king]], whichever is of highest rank, while guild representatives will meet with your [[broker]] to discuss [[trade]] agreements. The foreigner will follow the relevant [[dwarf]] around the [[fortress]] until the meeting is finished; if your nobles have a lot of labours turned on, the meeting might take several [[calendar|months]] to conclude.

If the dwarf has an [[office]], the meeting will take place there; a high-quality office will give the dwarf who scheduled the meeting a happy [[thought]], while a poor office will upset the dwarf. If the dwarf does not have an office, the meeting will take place in a [[meeting hall]], which is to say a [[dining room]] that has the "Meeting Hall" option turned on. Meeting in public sometimes embarrasses the dwarf, who receives an unhappy thought from having to conduct a meeting in such circumstances. Also, if your leader is taken by a [[strange mood]] during the meeting, the [[diplomat]] will leave unhappy.

Unhappy civilians sometimes schedule their own meetings with the [[Leader]] in order to yell at him or her. The leader will use a social [[Skill]], such as [[Consoler]], to calm the unhappy dwarf with results depending on the leader's skill level. This process is a bit buggy -- if the mayor is interrupted during the meeting, the civilian will sometimes get stuck in the "Conduct Meeting" labour. Drafting and undrafting the civilian might help snap them out of it.

Non-[[legendary]] dwarves, if left idle for long period of time, will periodically meet with the [[manager]] to complain about job scarcity.

----

'''See also:''' [[Leader]]
[[Category:Nobles]]
[[Category:Fortress mode]]

40d Talk:Consoler

2009-09-03T17:54:28Z

3lB33: explained my situation

A miserable dwarf just attended a meeting with my expedition leader, who was (at best) a dabbling consoler. The miserable dwarf now has the thought "She cried on somebody in charge lately." I'm mentioning this because I didn't get "felt a little/a lot better afterwards". The leader has the normal "was cried on" thought. --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 02:30, 24 May 2008 (EDT)
:This happened to me today too. The exact text was "...cried on somebody in charge lately and felt better afterward." (note that there was no little/lot distinction.) Interestingly, the person she cried on had dabbling consoler skill, but was a "Normal" flatterer, and novice liar, intimidator and comedian. I suppose one of those other skills helped in this situation. (Perhaps liar/flatterer where he said something like, "there, there, I'm sure that nasty Kobold will return your masterful obsidian sword someday. He's just showing the world your amazing craftsdwarfship...")

40d:Consoler

2009-09-03T17:49:26Z

3lB33: corrected quoted text from dwarf's thoughts and preferences

Consoler is a social [[skill]]. It appears to be useful for comforting dwarves after they lose something (a family member, a masterpiece, etc.) and would otherwise begin tantruming. It has been observed that a tantrumming dwarf has stopped and calmed down after talking with someone with Novice Consoler or Novice [[Pacifier]]. This is indicated within both dwarves' thoughts/mood screen.

Consoler produces the thoughts: "... cried on somebody in charge and felt <a little / a lot> better afterward." and "... was cried upon by an unhappy citizen recently.".

Skilled consolers probably calm dwarves down more easily. Sometimes an attempt to console someone will fail. The chance of this is likely also decreased by skill in consoling.

{{Skills}}
[[Category:Skills]][[Category:Noble Skills]]

40d Talk:Tree

2009-09-03T15:55:47Z

3lB33: /* Treehuggers */ Wood vs. Tree

So what's the deal with named trees near elf settlements? They seem to stop a short distance from the location of the closest elf. I think I accidentally cut one down, but the elves haven't responded. [[User:Dolohov|Dolohov]] 10:48, 12 November 2007 (EST)

== Underground tree farm ==

Well, out of fear of goblin ambushes... and many dead dwarfs later. I decided to make my very own tree farm. Ive got it working, and theres trees growing, but there are rocks all over the place. Do I need to move these rocks to be able to designate these trees to be cut down? I would prefer not to move these 3 or 400 rocks, but what must be done, must be done. --Wafl
:You do have to move the rocks. You can use the Designate Dump [[Macros_and_keymaps|AutoHotkey script]] to quickly dump a large area of stone, though. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 00:17, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
::tower caps require moving water, and can supposedly spawn next to damp wall that fufills that requirement(moving water)– [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:eerr|eerr]]
::Moving water is not necessary. Mud is fine. A damp wall doesn't cut it. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 22:29, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
Okay, this was a bit complex, so bear with me here - I dug out a pit underground, and channeled it out so it extended all the way to the layer that was the surface, BUT left the surface layer untouched. Not just the floor, but the actual layer of soil. Channel around that, and let it collapse all the way down to the pit you created. Roof it over. Muddy it. Trees will grow - http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/207/indoortreeqt8.png. --[[User:Xaddak|Xaddak]] 16:18, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

I noticed after digging a moat, that trees were growing there. Granted that I embarked at a place with a pretty high tree density, I believe that trees only need to be outside/above ground/light/on soil(not sure which combination). Can anyone confirm this? --[[User:Sphexx|Sphexx]] 21:50, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

== Grow Time ==
In my current fortress, I've deforested the map. Then after it I dried the pools. This was in summer of 1055. Now is the late spring of 1057 and I have full-grown Mahogany in one of the pools. It matured in less than two years! Need to check this--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 08:27, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
:I've verified. The time, needed to grow is 1.5 years, not 3! At Pagebend, my current fort, treefarm was muddied at the late spring of 303, and now it's early winter of 304 and I already have some fully matured tower-caps! Changing article--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]]

Do items produced from different tree's wood have different value? Are there more valuable trees than others? --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 20:27, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
:I'm pretty sure all wood is equally valuable. But different woods have different weights, feather tree wood being extremely light. --[[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 21:07, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

== Growing trees in soil ==

I watered my stone in order to get trees to grow, but trees are not growing in my soil. Do I need to water the soil?--[[User:Wafl|Wafl]] 11:38, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
:Trees will not grow inside your fortress, unless you channel out the ceiling. If you want to make wood inside your fort you need to embark on a map with cave river or cave lake. When you discover them all non-smoothed muddied natural floor tiles will have a chance to spawn tower cap sapling. They don't need to be muddied with water from this underground feature, any mud will do. Channeling aboveground river underground won't create trees. To find underground water you can use regional prospector utility, it works very well. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 15:15, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

== Magma resistance ==

Trees resist magma like they do resist water. Shouldn't that be included in the article? --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 15:16, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

== Deciduousness ==

I'm assuming that the "Autumnal" heading in the table was referring to trees whose leaves change colour in the autumn. I've changed the heading to "Deciduous", because as far as I am aware "Autumnal" is used to describe a tree currently undergoing the colour change, rather than a tree which is capable of it. Fun with pedantry! --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 22:49, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

== Supports ==

I know it sounds crazy but once in adventure mode I smashed a Wolf onto a tree from the z-level above it. The dead body of the wolf stayed there for until I used the Travel Mode thing. Can anyone back this up? --[[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 03:43, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
:Yeah it happens. Trees support objects. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 02:02, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
::Indeed, I had a dead troll fall on a tree, what a mess. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 08:43, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
:::Would the object in the tree join the wood pile made if the tree was chopped down? Can this be verified? --[[User:Stryc9fuego|Stryc9fuego]] 13:11, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
::::Yep, when I chopped down the tree my woodcutter was hip deep in troll chunks and ichor-stained clothing. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 13:45, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

== Default density ==

As the subject says. What is the default density? It lists several trees as having 'default' density, but I can't find what the default density actually is, anywhere. --[[User:Spoggerific|Spoggerific]] 19:57, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

== "Greenhouse" Trees ==

Does an area have to be light, or above ground, to grow normal trees? I've been thinking of making a glass greenhouse to grow a large patch of trees. --[[User:Eb|Eb]] 07:16, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
:you need 2 deep soil to grow trees.--[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 00:31, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
::Absolutely not true - a single layer of soil underneath the tree is enough (and on some maps, a single layer of soil is all that's even present), and it isn't even required - I've had trees growing on sand floors where the sand previously underneath had been hollowed out, though they seem to grow much more slowly (e.g. taking upwards of 3-4 years to grow). Additionally, the area need only be "above ground" - I've had trees growing inside a roofed greenhouse. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 16:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Confirmed - this is an old, false rumour based on the fact that you can't just "muddy" soil and have "trees" grow, but you can w/ tower caps UG. The OP's question still needs to be addressed.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 18:03, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

== List of trees, each one an article ==

I added/created articles for each tree in the list. They only redirect to the table, since we don't have a lot of useful info of them yet to create an article. Like that, we remove some red ugly link, and people can link to these tree, in case, someday, they start to have more differences and need an article of their own. --[[User:Karl|Karl]] 07:39, 27 January 2009 (EST)

== Treehuggers ==

I just realized that it's been a while, and at least a few [[version]] {{version|0.28.181.40d}} upgrades, since I've seen those annoying [[elves]] complain about my rampant deforestation habits. What percentage of a map's [[trees]] do I have to plunder before they start demanding I cap my demand? --[[User:FJH|FJH]] 23:13, 4 March 2009 (EST)
:I have seen them complain in the .40d vanilla. --[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 00:31, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Do Elves complain about tower cap farms? [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 17:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
*The [[Liaison]] page has the answer to my question: '''yes they do'''. Apparently the treehuggers complain about all the wood you have in stockpiles, so even imported wood is counted against you. Time to [http://1d4chan.org/wiki/File:DF_Elf_Diplomat_1.png pull] the [http://1d4chan.org/wiki/File:DF_Elf_Diplomat_2.png lever]. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 13:27, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
:Well, they dont complain about you ''having'' a tower cap farm, but cut tower caps do count into the cutting limit and once they are logs they count as wood like any other... --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 13:46, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
::That's a good point, perhaps a clearer distinction between [[Wood]] and [[Tree]] should be made here? [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:55, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

== Weights ==

What are the different weights of the wood for each tree? Should those be in the table? I know feather trees are unnaturally light and can be used to produce very light barrels as a result, for instance. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] 20:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
:That might be redundant. I think the feather tree is the only tree with a different weight, though I haven't checked. If every type of wood has a different weight, then certainly this is relevant. --[[User:Mikaka|Mikaka]] 19:57, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
:: Each wood have a specific weight (Which is under the "Density" column). Take a look at raw\objects\matgloss_wood.txt for the density of each type if you want. --[[User:Karl|Karl]] 21:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
::: A tree's weight is based on its density, however, because density is such a large number, it takes quite a difference in density to make any in an object's weight. Except for feather trees, I am pretty sure that all of the rest of the trees are to close in densities to have different weights. --[[User:I2amroy|I2amroy]] 15:27, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
:::: A pine bin : 56; Cedar bin : 38; Larch Bin : 59; tower-cap Bin : 60; Pine have a density of 560 , cedar one of 380, larch 590, and tower-cap 600. So density do have a role with the weight. Bin use 1/10 of the density, bed use 1/4 of it. --[[User:Karl|Karl]] 15:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

::::While they tend to be close, it does make a significant difference in heavier items, and when you're giving troops gear (namely [[marksdwarf|marksdwarves]] who are weighed down by a big ol' stack of ammo), every unit of weight counts. Even more importantly, [[trade]]rs are limited by weight, and the heavier the log, the more room it takes up. So a caravan hauling cedar, willow, and feather tree logs is going to have more room for other stuff than a caravan hauling oak, maple, and glumprong. --[[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 14:42, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

== Forest density ==

There seems to be some sort of tree limit, as if you embark on a heavy forest 6x6 and a half heavy forest half mountain you will get the same trees on embark, just a thicker forest. It's very noticeable [[User:Greep|Greep]] 10:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Outdoor rock able to grow trees? ==

I embarked on a map that has about 3/4 of the map in dolomite mountain, and the other 1/4 with a few trees and shrubs. It's a decent amount of trees, but I was wondering if I were to muddy the stone, that is, the stone right by the grass that is in complete daylight, would the now muddied area grow trees? Or because it was in a "different biome" (even though it's just a couple tiles away) would it not grow anything? Or maybe it wouldn't grow because it's muddy dolomite, and trees can only grow on soil types? Or maybe this would work? I'm going to test it out, but it might take a while because my fortress is fairly new.

Alright... I muddied a large portion of rock and it didn't grow trees. How surprising. I should've known from the start. Anyway, I then proceeded to make my mass watering machine into a flooding chamber. My dwarves are dead. Serves them right for not growing trees out of stone.[[User:ZombieRoboNinja|ZombieRoboNinja]] 17:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

40d:Tree

2009-09-03T13:43:47Z

3lB33: /* Elven Diplomats */ fixed the link to the liaison page and added a joke

Across the [[world]], '''trees''' can be found littering the landscape. Depending on the [[biome]] (i.e., whether trees are scarce or dense), they can be a great renewable source of [[wood]]. There are many different varieties that grow in different [[biomes]]. [[Tower-cap]]s grow only underground, every other variety occurs only outdoors. The only difference between trees is the (usually very minor) weight difference of the wood they produce; otherwise all trees are of equal usefulness and value.

Trees are currently{{version|0.28.181.40d}} not a source of food or other material, so it is not possible to harvest mangos, maple syrup, nuts, rubber, etc.

''Trees'' are a type of [[map tile]], not [[construction]]s, similar to solid [[rock]] or [[bush]]es. They must be designated for removal from the [[designations|{{Key|d}}esignations menu]] chop {{k|t}}rees, which will instruct [[dwarves]] with the [[woodcutter]] skill to grab an [[axe]] and begin chopping down the tree. Once cut down, they become one unit of [[wood]], which is movable and can be hauled by enabling the the Haul Wood labour on any dwarf and designating a wood [[stockpile]].

Trees viewed from one z-level higher look like coloured rectangles or [[stone]] [[block]]s floating in the air. Deciduous trees will change colour to red or yellow in [[autumn]], and lose their leaves in [[winter]]: {{tile|╞|#770}}. This does not affect their usefulness - they may be cut down in any season.

Trees grow from '''saplings''', which start growing randomly on tiles of a suitable biome. Saplings can be destroyed by heavy [[traffic]]. To grow from a sapling to a tree takes about a year and a half, though this seems randomized to some degree. Even if a map is stripped of all trees, new saplings will regrow. 

Trees ''will not'' as of yet be destroyed by [[magma]] or [[fire]] (nor will [[water]] damage them in any way). Saplings can 'drown' in [[water]] and [[magma]], though. [[Ballista]] arrows can destroy trees, but [[catapult]] stones will not.

Trees (but not saplings) will block [[channel]]ing, and [[wall]]s and other [[construction]]s.

Trees also gain names near [[elf|elven]] settlements. It is unclear what effect this has on gameplay, if any at all.

Saplings will not grow on a tile with items on it (such as stone, food, etc).

A given area block has a limit of "things that can grow on it" - and trees and shrubs compete for this when that maximum is reached. Removing shrubs will allow more trees to be able to grow.{{verify}} A downside to removing these shrubberies is that most of the saplings in the area will be trampled in the process unless they are marked as low-traffic areas first, a time-consuming process.

==Elven Diplomats==
[[Liaison#Elven|Elven diplomats]] eventually come to talk about the "tree situation" in your fort. Sometimes the diplomat will arrive and merely complain but most often the diplomat will want to set a limit to the number of trees <s>butchered</s> harvested to <s>feed</s> fuel your <s>earth blighting death machines</s> industry. This quota is based on all the logs you have in your stocks, '''no matter what the source.''' It doesn't matter if you have a [[Tower-cap]] farm or if you import all your wood; if you have any wood in your stocks, the <s>treehuggers</s> elves will complain.

== List of Trees ==

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! Tree Name
! Habitat !! Tile !! Alignment !! Density (Weight) !! Deciduous
|-
! id="mangrove"|Mangrove
| Mangrove Swamp (Wet) || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || All || 500 || No
|-
! id="saguaro"|Saguaro
| Any Desert (Dry) || {{tile|╞|green|black}} || All || 500 || No
|-
! id="pine"|Pine
| Taiga Forest (Dry) Temperate Conifer Forest Tropical Conifer Forest || {{tile|↑|green|black}} || All || 560 || No
|-
! id="cedar"|Cedar
| Temperate Conifer Forest (Dry) Tropical Conifer Forest || {{tile|↨|green|black}} || All || 380 || No
|-
! id="oak"|Oak
| Any Temperate Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|♠|green|black}} || All || 700 || Yes
|-
! id="mahogany"|Mahogany
| Any Tropical Forest (Dry) || {{tile|♠|green|black}} || All || 600 || No
|-
! id="acacia"|Acacia
| Tropical Dry Broadleaf Forest (Dry) Tropical Grassland Tropical Savanna Tropical Shrubland || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || All || 500 || No
|-
! id="kapok"|Kapok
| Tropical Moist Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|Γ|green|black}} || All || 500 || No
|-
! id="maple"|Maple
| Temperate Broadleaf Forest (Dry) Temperate Grassland Temperate Savanna Temperate Shrubland || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || All || 755 || Yes
|-
! id="willow"|Willow
| Any Temperate (Wet) Any Tropical Forest Tropical Grassland Tropical Savanna Tropical Shrubland Tropical Freshwater Swamp Tropical Saltwater Swamp Tropical Freshwater Marsh Tropical Saltwater Marsh || {{tile|⌠|green|black}} || All || 420 || No
|-
! id="tower-cap"|[[Tower-cap]]
| Subterranean Water (Wet)(Dry) || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || All || 600 || No
|-
! id="glumprong"|Glumprong
| Not Freezing (Dry) || {{tile|┤|green|black}} || Evil || 1200 || No
|-
! id="feathertree"|Feather tree
| Not Freezing (Dry) || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || Good || 100 || No
|-
! id="highwood"|Highwood
| Not Freezing (Dry) || {{tile|¶|green|black}} || Savage || 500 || No
|-
! id="larch"|Larch
| Taiga Forest (Dry) Temperate Conifer Forest || {{tile|↑|green|black}} || All || 590 || Yes
|-
! id="chestnut"|Chestnut
| Any Temperate Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|♠|green|black}} || All || 500 || Yes
|-
! id="alder"|Alder
| Any Temperate Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || All || 410 || Yes
|-
! id="birch"|Birch
| Any Temperate Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || All || 670 || Yes
|-
! id="ashtree"|Ash
| Any Temperate Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|♠|green|black}} || All || 620 || Yes
|-
! id="candlenut"|Candlenut
| Any Tropical Forest (Dry) || {{tile|Γ|green|black}} || All || 500 || No
|-
! id="mangotree"|Mango tree
| Any Tropical Forest (Dry) || {{tile|Γ|green|black}} || All || 500 || No
|-
! id="rubbertree"|Rubber tree
| Tropical Moist Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|Γ|green|black}} || All || 500 || No
|-
! id="cacaotree"|Cacao tree
| Tropical Moist Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|Γ|green|black}} || All || 500 || No
|-
! id="palm"|Palm
| Any Tropical (Dry) || {{tile|Γ|green|black}} || All || 500 || No
|}

[[Category:Map tiles]][[Category:Trees]]

40d:Tree

2009-09-03T13:40:52Z

3lB33: Added section for elven diplomats.

Across the [[world]], '''trees''' can be found littering the landscape. Depending on the [[biome]] (i.e., whether trees are scarce or dense), they can be a great renewable source of [[wood]]. There are many different varieties that grow in different [[biomes]]. [[Tower-cap]]s grow only underground, every other variety occurs only outdoors. The only difference between trees is the (usually very minor) weight difference of the wood they produce; otherwise all trees are of equal usefulness and value.

Trees are currently{{version|0.28.181.40d}} not a source of food or other material, so it is not possible to harvest mangos, maple syrup, nuts, rubber, etc.

''Trees'' are a type of [[map tile]], not [[construction]]s, similar to solid [[rock]] or [[bush]]es. They must be designated for removal from the [[designations|{{Key|d}}esignations menu]] chop {{k|t}}rees, which will instruct [[dwarves]] with the [[woodcutter]] skill to grab an [[axe]] and begin chopping down the tree. Once cut down, they become one unit of [[wood]], which is movable and can be hauled by enabling the the Haul Wood labour on any dwarf and designating a wood [[stockpile]].

Trees viewed from one z-level higher look like coloured rectangles or [[stone]] [[block]]s floating in the air. Deciduous trees will change colour to red or yellow in [[autumn]], and lose their leaves in [[winter]]: {{tile|╞|#770}}. This does not affect their usefulness - they may be cut down in any season.

Trees grow from '''saplings''', which start growing randomly on tiles of a suitable biome. Saplings can be destroyed by heavy [[traffic]]. To grow from a sapling to a tree takes about a year and a half, though this seems randomized to some degree. Even if a map is stripped of all trees, new saplings will regrow. 

Trees ''will not'' as of yet be destroyed by [[magma]] or [[fire]] (nor will [[water]] damage them in any way). Saplings can 'drown' in [[water]] and [[magma]], though. [[Ballista]] arrows can destroy trees, but [[catapult]] stones will not.

Trees (but not saplings) will block [[channel]]ing, and [[wall]]s and other [[construction]]s.

Trees also gain names near [[elf|elven]] settlements. It is unclear what effect this has on gameplay, if any at all.

Saplings will not grow on a tile with items on it (such as stone, food, etc).

A given area block has a limit of "things that can grow on it" - and trees and shrubs compete for this when that maximum is reached. Removing shrubs will allow more trees to be able to grow.{{verify}} A downside to removing these shrubberies is that most of the saplings in the area will be trampled in the process unless they are marked as low-traffic areas first, a time-consuming process.

==Elven Diplomats==
[[Liaison|Elven diplomats]] eventually come to talk about the "tree situation" in your fort. Sometimes the diplomat will arrive and merely complain but most often the diplomat will want to set a limit to the number of trees <s>butchered</s> harvested. This quota is based on all the logs you have in your stocks, '''no matter what the source.''' It doesn't matter if you have a [[Tower-cap]] farm or if you import all your wood; if you have any wood in your stocks, the <s>treehuggers</s> elves will complain.

== List of Trees ==

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! Tree Name
! Habitat !! Tile !! Alignment !! Density (Weight) !! Deciduous
|-
! id="mangrove"|Mangrove
| Mangrove Swamp (Wet) || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || All || 500 || No
|-
! id="saguaro"|Saguaro
| Any Desert (Dry) || {{tile|╞|green|black}} || All || 500 || No
|-
! id="pine"|Pine
| Taiga Forest (Dry) Temperate Conifer Forest Tropical Conifer Forest || {{tile|↑|green|black}} || All || 560 || No
|-
! id="cedar"|Cedar
| Temperate Conifer Forest (Dry) Tropical Conifer Forest || {{tile|↨|green|black}} || All || 380 || No
|-
! id="oak"|Oak
| Any Temperate Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|♠|green|black}} || All || 700 || Yes
|-
! id="mahogany"|Mahogany
| Any Tropical Forest (Dry) || {{tile|♠|green|black}} || All || 600 || No
|-
! id="acacia"|Acacia
| Tropical Dry Broadleaf Forest (Dry) Tropical Grassland Tropical Savanna Tropical Shrubland || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || All || 500 || No
|-
! id="kapok"|Kapok
| Tropical Moist Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|Γ|green|black}} || All || 500 || No
|-
! id="maple"|Maple
| Temperate Broadleaf Forest (Dry) Temperate Grassland Temperate Savanna Temperate Shrubland || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || All || 755 || Yes
|-
! id="willow"|Willow
| Any Temperate (Wet) Any Tropical Forest Tropical Grassland Tropical Savanna Tropical Shrubland Tropical Freshwater Swamp Tropical Saltwater Swamp Tropical Freshwater Marsh Tropical Saltwater Marsh || {{tile|⌠|green|black}} || All || 420 || No
|-
! id="tower-cap"|[[Tower-cap]]
| Subterranean Water (Wet)(Dry) || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || All || 600 || No
|-
! id="glumprong"|Glumprong
| Not Freezing (Dry) || {{tile|┤|green|black}} || Evil || 1200 || No
|-
! id="feathertree"|Feather tree
| Not Freezing (Dry) || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || Good || 100 || No
|-
! id="highwood"|Highwood
| Not Freezing (Dry) || {{tile|¶|green|black}} || Savage || 500 || No
|-
! id="larch"|Larch
| Taiga Forest (Dry) Temperate Conifer Forest || {{tile|↑|green|black}} || All || 590 || Yes
|-
! id="chestnut"|Chestnut
| Any Temperate Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|♠|green|black}} || All || 500 || Yes
|-
! id="alder"|Alder
| Any Temperate Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || All || 410 || Yes
|-
! id="birch"|Birch
| Any Temperate Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || All || 670 || Yes
|-
! id="ashtree"|Ash
| Any Temperate Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|♠|green|black}} || All || 620 || Yes
|-
! id="candlenut"|Candlenut
| Any Tropical Forest (Dry) || {{tile|Γ|green|black}} || All || 500 || No
|-
! id="mangotree"|Mango tree
| Any Tropical Forest (Dry) || {{tile|Γ|green|black}} || All || 500 || No
|-
! id="rubbertree"|Rubber tree
| Tropical Moist Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|Γ|green|black}} || All || 500 || No
|-
! id="cacaotree"|Cacao tree
| Tropical Moist Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|Γ|green|black}} || All || 500 || No
|-
! id="palm"|Palm
| Any Tropical (Dry) || {{tile|Γ|green|black}} || All || 500 || No
|}

[[Category:Map tiles]][[Category:Trees]]

40d Talk:Tree

2009-09-03T13:27:53Z

3lB33: /* Treehuggers */

So what's the deal with named trees near elf settlements? They seem to stop a short distance from the location of the closest elf. I think I accidentally cut one down, but the elves haven't responded. [[User:Dolohov|Dolohov]] 10:48, 12 November 2007 (EST)

== Underground tree farm ==

Well, out of fear of goblin ambushes... and many dead dwarfs later. I decided to make my very own tree farm. Ive got it working, and theres trees growing, but there are rocks all over the place. Do I need to move these rocks to be able to designate these trees to be cut down? I would prefer not to move these 3 or 400 rocks, but what must be done, must be done. --Wafl
:You do have to move the rocks. You can use the Designate Dump [[Macros_and_keymaps|AutoHotkey script]] to quickly dump a large area of stone, though. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 00:17, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
::tower caps require moving water, and can supposedly spawn next to damp wall that fufills that requirement(moving water)– [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:eerr|eerr]]
::Moving water is not necessary. Mud is fine. A damp wall doesn't cut it. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 22:29, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
Okay, this was a bit complex, so bear with me here - I dug out a pit underground, and channeled it out so it extended all the way to the layer that was the surface, BUT left the surface layer untouched. Not just the floor, but the actual layer of soil. Channel around that, and let it collapse all the way down to the pit you created. Roof it over. Muddy it. Trees will grow - http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/207/indoortreeqt8.png. --[[User:Xaddak|Xaddak]] 16:18, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

I noticed after digging a moat, that trees were growing there. Granted that I embarked at a place with a pretty high tree density, I believe that trees only need to be outside/above ground/light/on soil(not sure which combination). Can anyone confirm this? --[[User:Sphexx|Sphexx]] 21:50, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

== Grow Time ==
In my current fortress, I've deforested the map. Then after it I dried the pools. This was in summer of 1055. Now is the late spring of 1057 and I have full-grown Mahogany in one of the pools. It matured in less than two years! Need to check this--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 08:27, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
:I've verified. The time, needed to grow is 1.5 years, not 3! At Pagebend, my current fort, treefarm was muddied at the late spring of 303, and now it's early winter of 304 and I already have some fully matured tower-caps! Changing article--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]]

Do items produced from different tree's wood have different value? Are there more valuable trees than others? --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 20:27, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
:I'm pretty sure all wood is equally valuable. But different woods have different weights, feather tree wood being extremely light. --[[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 21:07, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

== Growing trees in soil ==

I watered my stone in order to get trees to grow, but trees are not growing in my soil. Do I need to water the soil?--[[User:Wafl|Wafl]] 11:38, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
:Trees will not grow inside your fortress, unless you channel out the ceiling. If you want to make wood inside your fort you need to embark on a map with cave river or cave lake. When you discover them all non-smoothed muddied natural floor tiles will have a chance to spawn tower cap sapling. They don't need to be muddied with water from this underground feature, any mud will do. Channeling aboveground river underground won't create trees. To find underground water you can use regional prospector utility, it works very well. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 15:15, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

== Magma resistance ==

Trees resist magma like they do resist water. Shouldn't that be included in the article? --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 15:16, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

== Deciduousness ==

I'm assuming that the "Autumnal" heading in the table was referring to trees whose leaves change colour in the autumn. I've changed the heading to "Deciduous", because as far as I am aware "Autumnal" is used to describe a tree currently undergoing the colour change, rather than a tree which is capable of it. Fun with pedantry! --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 22:49, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

== Supports ==

I know it sounds crazy but once in adventure mode I smashed a Wolf onto a tree from the z-level above it. The dead body of the wolf stayed there for until I used the Travel Mode thing. Can anyone back this up? --[[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 03:43, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
:Yeah it happens. Trees support objects. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 02:02, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
::Indeed, I had a dead troll fall on a tree, what a mess. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 08:43, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
:::Would the object in the tree join the wood pile made if the tree was chopped down? Can this be verified? --[[User:Stryc9fuego|Stryc9fuego]] 13:11, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
::::Yep, when I chopped down the tree my woodcutter was hip deep in troll chunks and ichor-stained clothing. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 13:45, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

== Default density ==

As the subject says. What is the default density? It lists several trees as having 'default' density, but I can't find what the default density actually is, anywhere. --[[User:Spoggerific|Spoggerific]] 19:57, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

== "Greenhouse" Trees ==

Does an area have to be light, or above ground, to grow normal trees? I've been thinking of making a glass greenhouse to grow a large patch of trees. --[[User:Eb|Eb]] 07:16, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
:you need 2 deep soil to grow trees.--[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 00:31, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
::Absolutely not true - a single layer of soil underneath the tree is enough (and on some maps, a single layer of soil is all that's even present), and it isn't even required - I've had trees growing on sand floors where the sand previously underneath had been hollowed out, though they seem to grow much more slowly (e.g. taking upwards of 3-4 years to grow). Additionally, the area need only be "above ground" - I've had trees growing inside a roofed greenhouse. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 16:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Confirmed - this is an old, false rumour based on the fact that you can't just "muddy" soil and have "trees" grow, but you can w/ tower caps UG. The OP's question still needs to be addressed.--[[User:Albedo|Albedo]] 18:03, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

== List of trees, each one an article ==

I added/created articles for each tree in the list. They only redirect to the table, since we don't have a lot of useful info of them yet to create an article. Like that, we remove some red ugly link, and people can link to these tree, in case, someday, they start to have more differences and need an article of their own. --[[User:Karl|Karl]] 07:39, 27 January 2009 (EST)

== Treehuggers ==

I just realized that it's been a while, and at least a few [[version]] {{version|0.28.181.40d}} upgrades, since I've seen those annoying [[elves]] complain about my rampant deforestation habits. What percentage of a map's [[trees]] do I have to plunder before they start demanding I cap my demand? --[[User:FJH|FJH]] 23:13, 4 March 2009 (EST)
:I have seen them complain in the .40d vanilla. --[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 00:31, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Do Elves complain about tower cap farms? [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 17:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
*The [[Liaison]] page has the answer to my question: '''yes they do'''. Apparently the treehuggers complain about all the wood you have in stockpiles, so even imported wood is counted against you. Time to [http://1d4chan.org/wiki/File:DF_Elf_Diplomat_1.png pull] the [http://1d4chan.org/wiki/File:DF_Elf_Diplomat_2.png lever]. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 13:27, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

== Weights ==

What are the different weights of the wood for each tree? Should those be in the table? I know feather trees are unnaturally light and can be used to produce very light barrels as a result, for instance. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] 20:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
:That might be redundant. I think the feather tree is the only tree with a different weight, though I haven't checked. If every type of wood has a different weight, then certainly this is relevant. --[[User:Mikaka|Mikaka]] 19:57, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
:: Each wood have a specific weight (Which is under the "Density" column). Take a look at raw\objects\matgloss_wood.txt for the density of each type if you want. --[[User:Karl|Karl]] 21:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
::: A tree's weight is based on its density, however, because density is such a large number, it takes quite a difference in density to make any in an object's weight. Except for feather trees, I am pretty sure that all of the rest of the trees are to close in densities to have different weights. --[[User:I2amroy|I2amroy]] 15:27, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
:::: A pine bin : 56; Cedar bin : 38; Larch Bin : 59; tower-cap Bin : 60; Pine have a density of 560 , cedar one of 380, larch 590, and tower-cap 600. So density do have a role with the weight. Bin use 1/10 of the density, bed use 1/4 of it. --[[User:Karl|Karl]] 15:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

::::While they tend to be close, it does make a significant difference in heavier items, and when you're giving troops gear (namely [[marksdwarf|marksdwarves]] who are weighed down by a big ol' stack of ammo), every unit of weight counts. Even more importantly, [[trade]]rs are limited by weight, and the heavier the log, the more room it takes up. So a caravan hauling cedar, willow, and feather tree logs is going to have more room for other stuff than a caravan hauling oak, maple, and glumprong. --[[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 14:42, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

== Forest density ==

There seems to be some sort of tree limit, as if you embark on a heavy forest 6x6 and a half heavy forest half mountain you will get the same trees on embark, just a thicker forest. It's very noticeable [[User:Greep|Greep]] 10:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Outdoor rock able to grow trees? ==

I embarked on a map that has about 3/4 of the map in dolomite mountain, and the other 1/4 with a few trees and shrubs. It's a decent amount of trees, but I was wondering if I were to muddy the stone, that is, the stone right by the grass that is in complete daylight, would the now muddied area grow trees? Or because it was in a "different biome" (even though it's just a couple tiles away) would it not grow anything? Or maybe it wouldn't grow because it's muddy dolomite, and trees can only grow on soil types? Or maybe this would work? I'm going to test it out, but it might take a while because my fortress is fairly new.

Alright... I muddied a large portion of rock and it didn't grow trees. How surprising. I should've known from the start. Anyway, I then proceeded to make my mass watering machine into a flooding chamber. My dwarves are dead. Serves them right for not growing trees out of stone.[[User:ZombieRoboNinja|ZombieRoboNinja]] 17:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Fortress guard

2009-09-02T15:27:21Z

3lB33: /* The Hammerer and Ineffective Fortress Guards */ boldfacing the part I'm frustrated about...

Does anyone have any advice on reasons I should put a new migrant into the Fortress Guard, instead of making him or her a regular soldier, whom I can control better? I assume it gives the Captain a happy thought to have more guards, but other than that, I prefer having a new soldier instead of a new guard. --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 02:39, 2 December 2007 (EST)
:Untill he is close to elite status it is probably better to have more guards as I think that the more guards you have - the more chances that a guard will take care of a criminal and not a hammerer. Having elite guards is really totally worthless.--[[User:Another|Another]] 10:02, 2 December 2007 (EST)

Why was this moved from "Fortress guard"? --[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 06:07, 2 February 2008 (EST)
:Because {{user|Ironxides}} didn't read the wiki naming guidelines and decided it looked better with a capital G. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:30, 3 February 2008 (EST)

When I switched a squad to fortress guard, they stopped using the barracks to sleep in but continued to use it for training. Can anyone confirm this behaviour? (39c) [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 12:01, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

:I can confirm that. Guards like private quarters, if they can afford them and they are available, but sparring happens in barracks, period, whether the barracks are defined by beds or by weapon racks or armor stands. --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 22:48, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

In my experience, the number of Royal guard required is not a 1/20 of population, but equals to number of nobles. It also worth noting, that sometimes they will do the job 'Guard <noblename>'--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 03:56, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
:Nope, it's 1/20th. It just seems that way because 1/20th will wind up being close to the number of nobles that you'll have. --[[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 13:52, 26 December 2008 (EST)

I don't have a captain (didn't assign one), but I still can assign Fortress and Royal Guards. So the first paragraph is misleading? Thanks. [[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]]

== Elite guards 'worthless'? ==

Could someone clarify this issue for me? Do they turn into essentially Philosophers with combat skills after being proclaimed champions? Don't they perform guard duties anymore?
:They still perform their guard duties, but you can't move them from being guards, which many would regard as a less-than-ideal situation for their elite dwarves.--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 18:04, 20 January 2009 (EST)
:: Perhaps "effectively useless" is too strong, then? --[[User:Aristoi|Aristoi]] 18:22, 20 January 2009 (EST)
:::Adjusted.--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 18:27, 20 January 2009 (EST)

== Elite Fortress Wrestlers Win/Win/Win ==

Since I don't like it when my fortress guards punish a criminal by cutting or smashing him to pieces I told my fortress guards to fight unarmed. They're heavily armored and never out on guard duty so all they do is sparr in the barracks. 
This is an incredibly good thing because they train ALL melee soldiers in wrestling. The swordsdwarf and wrestler skills climb simultaneously but the dwarves always become elite wrestlers (upon which they will put down their weapons and i have to re-assign them) before they become elite swordsdwarves. I can't stress it enough how valuable this is in battle! They dodge like crazy and if they lose their weapons they're no less dangerous! 
It's a win/win/Win situation! The civilians survive punishment and the soldiers survives battles! As for the Fortress Guards.. as soon as they reach Elite wrestling status they don't seem to get wounded. Ever. In spite of fighting ARMED soldiers all day long! I have a fortress of 151 dwarves, it's the month after a gobln siege and the nurses are UNEMPLOYED! :D --[[User:Aspgren|Aspgren]] 08:06, 7 Feb 2009 (CET)
:Not sure about the civilians surviving punishment bit, I've lost 3 civilians and a champion (legendary armor/shield/wrestler/hammerdwarf with full plate/shield, was a wtf moment) to fortress guard at elite wrestler or below. After that all my guard suddenly found themselves unable to open their bedroom doors. The guard also interrupt marksdwarves trying to practice by grabbing them for sparring if they aren't carrying bolts. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 14:04, 7 February 2009 (EST)
::The marksdwarf bit is odd.. has never happened to me. Though yes sometimes the guards might go overboard, one of my dwarves lost her child and thus threw a tantrum and broke her own bed. The guards mangled both her legs and broke her wrist for good measure. She was in bed for 2 years because of that. Still. Had the guard carried a weapon I don't think she'd be breathing today. Even if it's just a slightly increased survival chance it's still a Win in my book. :) --[[User:Aspgren|Aspgren]] 00:55, 8 Feb 2009 (CET)
::I've run into the marksdwarf bit before. Make sure they aren't carrying anything they aren't supposed to (i.e. check and see if they have somebody's pants in one hand). --[[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 13:27, 23 February 2009 (EST)

==Avoiding injuries/fast recoup==

Anybody have any suggestions on avoiding injuries or speeding up recoup time? I have a developed fortress but health care is killing me! I *think* that the soldiers get hurt less when they are stronger/agile/tough. Seems to me that Tough effects how fast they heal. I've had several dwarfs with minor (yellow) hand/arm injuries that have taken years to heal. The only thing I can see is that the dwarfs didn't have any toughness. Having two champion guards doesn't help any, either! That is the other reason that champion guards are bad. You can not have them "stand down". So, they will always be sparing. I guess that could be a good thing as well. Maybe that is why I've seen champions with the thoughts of no meaning in life anymore.--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 16:51, 16 February 2009 (EST)
:I train my military in squads to keep them around the same level when they go to spar. Everyone starts out as a wrestler with a wooden shield until they hit champion. As long as I've been following that routine I haven't seen any of my military dwarves get injured from sparring. The [[Attribute|attribute]] article shows what each stat does; toughness affects how fast they heal and the severity of injuries. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 17:46, 16 February 2009 (EST)
::I just tried that and it is fairly easy. One thing that surprised me - I started training a squad of seven at crossbow/marksdwarf. The ones with the highest agility status reached proficient status fastest. Makes sense, they can fire more arrows/time, but I just hadn't thought of that before. So, ideally, you'd want someone who is really weak, fast, and tough to be in the military. They can get the strength later, but then they will not damage other soldiers, train quickly, and if they do get hurt, they'll recover faster.--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 08:55, 23 February 2009 (EST)

==The Hammerer and Ineffective Fortress Guards==
Can this part
Note, that he will act only if some fortress guard officer was assigned to punish a dwarf, but didn't do it for some time...
be confirmed? I had the hammerer kill a craftsdwarf who was '''in restraints''' the other day. The fortress guard was doing their job, but that @$%@! hammerer decided to bash the poor craftsdwarf's brains in anyway.

40d Talk:Fortress guard

2009-09-02T15:26:36Z

3lB33: Hammer killing people who were already arrested by the Guard?

Does anyone have any advice on reasons I should put a new migrant into the Fortress Guard, instead of making him or her a regular soldier, whom I can control better? I assume it gives the Captain a happy thought to have more guards, but other than that, I prefer having a new soldier instead of a new guard. --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 02:39, 2 December 2007 (EST)
:Untill he is close to elite status it is probably better to have more guards as I think that the more guards you have - the more chances that a guard will take care of a criminal and not a hammerer. Having elite guards is really totally worthless.--[[User:Another|Another]] 10:02, 2 December 2007 (EST)

Why was this moved from "Fortress guard"? --[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 06:07, 2 February 2008 (EST)
:Because {{user|Ironxides}} didn't read the wiki naming guidelines and decided it looked better with a capital G. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:30, 3 February 2008 (EST)

When I switched a squad to fortress guard, they stopped using the barracks to sleep in but continued to use it for training. Can anyone confirm this behaviour? (39c) [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 12:01, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

:I can confirm that. Guards like private quarters, if they can afford them and they are available, but sparring happens in barracks, period, whether the barracks are defined by beds or by weapon racks or armor stands. --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 22:48, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

In my experience, the number of Royal guard required is not a 1/20 of population, but equals to number of nobles. It also worth noting, that sometimes they will do the job 'Guard <noblename>'--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 03:56, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
:Nope, it's 1/20th. It just seems that way because 1/20th will wind up being close to the number of nobles that you'll have. --[[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 13:52, 26 December 2008 (EST)

I don't have a captain (didn't assign one), but I still can assign Fortress and Royal Guards. So the first paragraph is misleading? Thanks. [[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]]

== Elite guards 'worthless'? ==

Could someone clarify this issue for me? Do they turn into essentially Philosophers with combat skills after being proclaimed champions? Don't they perform guard duties anymore?
:They still perform their guard duties, but you can't move them from being guards, which many would regard as a less-than-ideal situation for their elite dwarves.--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 18:04, 20 January 2009 (EST)
:: Perhaps "effectively useless" is too strong, then? --[[User:Aristoi|Aristoi]] 18:22, 20 January 2009 (EST)
:::Adjusted.--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 18:27, 20 January 2009 (EST)

== Elite Fortress Wrestlers Win/Win/Win ==

Since I don't like it when my fortress guards punish a criminal by cutting or smashing him to pieces I told my fortress guards to fight unarmed. They're heavily armored and never out on guard duty so all they do is sparr in the barracks. 
This is an incredibly good thing because they train ALL melee soldiers in wrestling. The swordsdwarf and wrestler skills climb simultaneously but the dwarves always become elite wrestlers (upon which they will put down their weapons and i have to re-assign them) before they become elite swordsdwarves. I can't stress it enough how valuable this is in battle! They dodge like crazy and if they lose their weapons they're no less dangerous! 
It's a win/win/Win situation! The civilians survive punishment and the soldiers survives battles! As for the Fortress Guards.. as soon as they reach Elite wrestling status they don't seem to get wounded. Ever. In spite of fighting ARMED soldiers all day long! I have a fortress of 151 dwarves, it's the month after a gobln siege and the nurses are UNEMPLOYED! :D --[[User:Aspgren|Aspgren]] 08:06, 7 Feb 2009 (CET)
:Not sure about the civilians surviving punishment bit, I've lost 3 civilians and a champion (legendary armor/shield/wrestler/hammerdwarf with full plate/shield, was a wtf moment) to fortress guard at elite wrestler or below. After that all my guard suddenly found themselves unable to open their bedroom doors. The guard also interrupt marksdwarves trying to practice by grabbing them for sparring if they aren't carrying bolts. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 14:04, 7 February 2009 (EST)
::The marksdwarf bit is odd.. has never happened to me. Though yes sometimes the guards might go overboard, one of my dwarves lost her child and thus threw a tantrum and broke her own bed. The guards mangled both her legs and broke her wrist for good measure. She was in bed for 2 years because of that. Still. Had the guard carried a weapon I don't think she'd be breathing today. Even if it's just a slightly increased survival chance it's still a Win in my book. :) --[[User:Aspgren|Aspgren]] 00:55, 8 Feb 2009 (CET)
::I've run into the marksdwarf bit before. Make sure they aren't carrying anything they aren't supposed to (i.e. check and see if they have somebody's pants in one hand). --[[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 13:27, 23 February 2009 (EST)

==Avoiding injuries/fast recoup==

Anybody have any suggestions on avoiding injuries or speeding up recoup time? I have a developed fortress but health care is killing me! I *think* that the soldiers get hurt less when they are stronger/agile/tough. Seems to me that Tough effects how fast they heal. I've had several dwarfs with minor (yellow) hand/arm injuries that have taken years to heal. The only thing I can see is that the dwarfs didn't have any toughness. Having two champion guards doesn't help any, either! That is the other reason that champion guards are bad. You can not have them "stand down". So, they will always be sparing. I guess that could be a good thing as well. Maybe that is why I've seen champions with the thoughts of no meaning in life anymore.--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 16:51, 16 February 2009 (EST)
:I train my military in squads to keep them around the same level when they go to spar. Everyone starts out as a wrestler with a wooden shield until they hit champion. As long as I've been following that routine I haven't seen any of my military dwarves get injured from sparring. The [[Attribute|attribute]] article shows what each stat does; toughness affects how fast they heal and the severity of injuries. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 17:46, 16 February 2009 (EST)
::I just tried that and it is fairly easy. One thing that surprised me - I started training a squad of seven at crossbow/marksdwarf. The ones with the highest agility status reached proficient status fastest. Makes sense, they can fire more arrows/time, but I just hadn't thought of that before. So, ideally, you'd want someone who is really weak, fast, and tough to be in the military. They can get the strength later, but then they will not damage other soldiers, train quickly, and if they do get hurt, they'll recover faster.--[[User:Kwieland|Kwieland]] 08:55, 23 February 2009 (EST)

==The Hammerer and Ineffective Fortress Guards==
Can this part
Note, that he will act only if some fortress guard officer was assigned to punish a dwarf, but didn't do it for some time...
be confirmed? I had the hammerer kill a craftsdwarf who was IN restraints the other day. The fortress guard was doing their job, but that @$%@! hammerer decided to bash the poor craftsdwarf's brains in anyway.

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3lB33: /* Room requirements */ whoops, barons don't request Grand rooms.

== Nobles affected by Reclaiming? ==

My current fortress is a reclaimed one, due to a fire that got into one of my guardtowers' food storage. In the old fortress, I had managed to get a Baron, who was soon skipping right up to Duke and Incoming king after a couple of immigrants. Well, after reclaiming, I proceeded as normal, except, even though my value is still incredibly high from the fortress (1 million+ created wealth, and 400k exported, now), I recieved a count within it's specified area of requirement, but not the Baron before. Even still, My Count does not seem to be upgrading to Duke anytime soon, seeing as I have 188 dwarves, now. Anyone have any ideas, now? [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 12:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Noble Additions and Requirements ==

Added the dungeon keeper noble. He just showed up at my fort in year 1053. --[[Idles]]

I'm "fixing" the change, "16:59, 31 October 2007 Lightning4 (Talk | contribs) (1,934 bytes) (→Appointments - Isn't called bookkeeper, at least when the fortress is new.)", because in my forts it IS called bookkeeper when the fortress starts. Other edits have backed me up, suspect editor was confused--Please discuss this here? --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 15:09, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:I apologize, I was indeed incorrect. You do start with a Bookkeeper, which in very short order can be upgraded to a Treasurer. Unsure of requirements, possibly only requires 20 dwarves like the sheriff. My fortress has one and I haven't even done anything besides changed who had bookkeeping and set it to higher priority (did not build study yet). That's probably what got me confused since the bookkeeper upgrades very quickly. [[User:Lightning4|Lightning4]] 18:11, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::Yeah, 20 dwarves sounds accurate enough to put in there. He didn't turn when I had only 17. --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 18:14, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

"Your original expedition leader will be the fourth dwarf down in the starting screen(the one in the middle)." This does not seem to hold true; I have a newly-developed habit of making the last dwarf on the screen (used to be my designated hauler-peasant) into the administrator, with all the social skills for filling the four starter noble roles. He gets auto-assigned to all four administrative positions; I'm thinking that instead of being fixed or random, the starting assignment is based on social skills. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 00:29, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

I had a Philosopher show up last night. I'm unsure of the requirement to get him; the only really notable thing that had happened was I got over 100 dwarves. I'm adding him to the list of Nobles, though, since I can confirm he still exists in the new version. I also divided the page structure between Appointed and Immigrant nobles, since the current header was misleading (Dungeon Master and Philosopher cannot be appointed). --[[User:Zurai|Zurai]] 20:55, 10 November 2007 (EST)

I had the king show up tonight. "The King arrives, dressed as a peasant." I have no idea what the requirements were. I missed the 1051 and 1052 dwarf caravans due to prolonged sieges, and had no immigrants those years. 1053 I had the caravan; a season later a wave of immigration brought my total dwarves up to 37. In the spring the king arrived, along with enough others to bring the population to 63. At that time I was notified that the Captain of the Guard position was available. Only thing I can think is that I hit adamantine during the siege years, and mistakenly built a number of ridiculously valuable adamantine objects. (Door, Coffin, etc.) This has raised my fortress value to 1.3 million. Is 1 million value perhaps the trigger? I have no coins, and no nobles other than the starting 4 positions. I did not appoint a sheriff. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:15, 15 November 2007 (EST)
:In the last version, hitting adamantine without proper requirement for the king triggered the reaction of having the king arrive dressed as a paysant. Maybe it's the same here. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 04:20, 15 November 2007 (EST)
== What determines expedition leader? ==

There are a number of situations to test out:
* No social skills on any dwarves
** ''Probably random, possibly based on the Dwarf's thoughts and preferences''
* Majority of social skills on one dwarf (various positions in start order)
** ''Test case 1: only one dwarf has social skills - gives that dwarf as leader and all positions''
* Social skills spread between multiple dwarves
** Is there any weight on which skill determines the leader?
--[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 01:25, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:Is the first point certain? In my current fortress, I didn't assign any social skills to any dwarf, and I'm pretty certain that the dwarf that ended up expedition leader was the seventh in the list. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 02:28, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
::In my current fort I assigned no social skills and the first dwarf in the list, one of my miners, is the expedition leader. --[[User:Moller|Moller]] 02:40, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
:::Might be randomised then, I started three new fortresses for the test and each time it was the same so I made an assumption. Obviously this isn't the case can you two check what thoughts/prefs you have for those so we can look for some leadership criteria. --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 08:10, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
::::It's almost always been the first dwarf for me (assuming no one had leadership skills), but I could have sworn one time it assigned someone else. Maybe it defaults to the first dwarf on the list but can sometimes choose someone else under certain conditions. [[User:Rpb|Rpb]] 22:29, 10 November 2007 (EST)
:::::Perhaps the first dwarf didn't get it because of negative preferences? Some dwarves have a line in their thoughts/prefs that reads something like "X prefers to let others take leadership roles". [[User:Tocky|Tocky]] 11:04, 11 November 2007 (EST)

==Room requirements==
Maybe something about the nobles requiring better rooms and how to build them? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 15:15, 4 November 2007 (EST)
:Found it in [[room]]s, adding a link. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 15:34, 4 November 2007 (EST)

The [[How do I increase the value of a room quickly and easily]] page seems to be a pretty helpful page, but so far what links to it may not be much help when someone is in a pinch with their nobles ([[Door]], [[Room]], [[Furniture]] and the [[Frequently Asked Questions]]). After all, I assume that page exists for that constant problem with nobles where your new Duke requests a "Grand" dining room and DAMMIT, the best you can do is a "Decent" dining room and that sweet, kick-ass, dolomite dining table with the chrysoberyls the image of a dwarf striking down a goblin isn't ready yet because your legendary Gem Setter is "Attending Party". So perhaps a link on the Nobles page should also exist? [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

== Not 100? ==

I just received migrants. My population went from 76 to 100, and my settlement went from a village to a town. No nobles arrived with the migrants. [[User:Geekwad|Geekwad]] 17:14, 18 November 2007 (EST)
:Still a town at 108
:Another wave, and we're a city at 111 (migrants still incoming)
::My population went from 101 to 126 in one wave. A Baroness arrived at the same time and turned my settlement into a Barony. Shortly afterwards, my settlement turned into a County (125+ dwarves?). Then Baroness upgraded into a Countess. Baron consort upgraded to a Count Consort.--[[User:Slumber|Slumber]] 16:49, 19 November 2007 (EST)
::Next immigration wave, my pop hit 138. Nothing happens. Then next immigration wave, my pop hits 141, the Countess upgrades to Duchess and the Count Consort upgrades to Duke Consort. Also, "Incoming King" is the top line on the Nobles screen. When you select it, it shows you what you need to achieve in terms of 1. architecture value (15000) 2. road value (5000) and 3. offerings value. (5000). I'm not sure what criteria triggers the King as it happened at the same time as my Duchess. I did just hit 200k exported wealth. Conincedence? --[[User:Slumber|Slumber]] 10:27, 20 November 2007 (EST)
::Another wave, jumped to 161 pop, and some more nobles, a Duke and his Duke Consort. Now I have both a Duke and Duchess!--[[User:Slumber|Slumber]] 14:06, 20 November 2007 (EST)
:I was made a city and a barony at 110, and promoted to county almost immediately after. No new immigration happened, and I hadn't reached the 120 mark yet. [[User:Rpb|Rpb]] 16:27, 24 November 2007 (EST)
:The last immigration wave brought me from 98 to a total of 124 including baron/consort, tax collector and hammerer. It is now a City and a Barony. I'll watch out if it changes on the first immigrant from the next wave.I currently have over 500k created wealth and 17000 exported.--[[User:Another|Another]] 16:05, 24 November 2007 (EST)
:One child is born and now my total population is 125. Still a City and a Barony.--[[User:Another|Another]] 09:23, 25 November 2007 (EST)
:My fortress was upgraded to County when the caravan left the map and my exported wealth leaped from 17k to 26k. The trigger for the County must be either 20k or 25k exported wealth. --[[User:Another|Another]] 12:47, 25 November 2007 (EST)
::Baron arrived during an immigration wave going from 88 to 112 dwarves, and upgraded to a Count not long after arrival but ''not'' immediately either (perhaps as the population went over 100?). Exported wealth was probably around 50k at the time. Now at 119 (and 80k exported) and not yet a Duke. Looks like there's a combination of factors involved. [[User:Cim|Cim]] 11:10, 14 December 2007 (EST)
:Upgrade of the fortress to Duchy was at exactly 140th dwarf from an immigration wave. "The Incoming King" included. Total created wealth - 950k, total exported - 30k.--[[User:Another|Another]] 16:37, 1 December 2007 (EST)
: My Baron arrived in the immigration wave that took me over 100 (I had peaked at 96 previously) but this was also the season where I crossed the 50,000 threshold on exported wealth. I actually went from 48,000 to 62,000 over the course of the year, and the baron arrived in the Spring, I did have an immigration wave after crossing 50,000 in the fall. Almost immediately after my baron arrived, he was promoted to count. My population is 119. --[[User:Mitchy|Mitchy]] 16:41, 3 January 2008 (EST)
:At exported wealth 45k, my Baron promoted to Count at the 110th immigrant. (Baron arrived in the first immigration wave after getting 80 population, can't remember what exported wealth was then) [[User:Cim|Cim]] 20:12, 5 January 2008 (EST)
:Population at 93 no Baron. Next wave - first person to arrive is a Countess, with this wave population went to 114. (So, had no Baron at all) --[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 23:39, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Verified about 140 limit for Duke. My Wrestler have given birth to a boy, the populationd got to 140, and the next message is about the fortress becoming a capital of Duchy. --[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 00:10, 24 January 2008 (EST)

== Queen As Peasant ==

I had dug out some raw adamantine, not done anything with it, and I got a notification that 'Your ruler has arrived disguised as a peasant.' At the same time, my Dungeon Master arrived. I don't have an announcement in the log about the Queen, but I do about the DM. I'm treating her like it's legit, what's the deal?

:Your ruler has heard of the discovery of adamantine, and hurried to yuor fort to oversee the digging. She turned up "disguised as a peasant" because your fort doesn't meet the regular requirements for attracting the monarch and moving to your site officially would be embarassing (in roleplaying/story terms of course). She's perfectly legit, just wasn't attracted in the "conventional" sense by having the largest, wealthiest fort in the civilisation you belong to.--[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 06:42, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

== Baron mandates "crowns"? ==

I just got a baron, and the first thing he mandates is two crowns. So i type Crown into the jobs/manager list. nothing. So I type crown in dwarf wiki. Nothing. Can anyone help before I have to drop this noble into a pit to keep him from locking up my crafters?
:Info about specific crafts isn't present in the new wiki, but a crown is in fact a "craft" item. [http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Craftsdwarf%27s_Workshop#Crafts You can see the old wiki info about crafts here]. You'll probably need to set several crafting jobs to get a crown since the item produced by a crafting task is random with several possibilities. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 00:06, 1 February 2008 (EST)

== Killing nobles ? ==

Is killing nobles dangerous ? (does it stop immigrations or something ?)

Because I've got a Count totally uncontrolable, who can't stop throwing tantrums in the middle of my fortress, which is somewhat tiresome... So, if I just can lock him into his bedroom and let him starve to death, it would be great, but I don't know if it won't cause more problems..

(Also, sorry for my bad english, I'm french)
[[User:Timst|Timst]] 05:40, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

:Killing off your nobles only really has the penalties associated with killing any other dwarf - their friends and family will be upset, and you lose that dwarf's abilities. In the case of nobles a replacement will usually turn up with the next migrant wave, unless your fort no longer meets the requirements for that noble. You can, of course, kill the replacement too - with lesser repercussions as he won't have had time to make any friends yet.--[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 06:38, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

::Ok, thanks :) I was afraid that the death of a count could induct a reaction of the mountainhomes or something like that... If the only reaction will be the one of the countess, it will be ok :) [[User:Timst|Timst]] 07:00, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

:::In the future, killing off a noble will have repercussions, however, so don't depend on that behaviour forever. ;-)
:::''Req291, NOBLE DEATH, (Future): Killing off nobles needs to have serious consequences. Once the counties (see Core28) are in, there could be revolts from the village if the count is popular. Other nobles could have angry relatives. Losing your law enforcement nobles could lead to more tantrums and other acts in large fortresses. Nobles should all be upset by the death of the tax collector. When a noble is buried, other dwarves could be sealed in the tomb.''
:::--[[User:JT|JT]] 15:11, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

::::This doesn't sound like it has much effect on a "kill early, kill often" approach — e.g. preparing their death room immediately upon their arrival, and luring them in via a profile-set lever pull job. The count won't be popular (at least in your fort) if nobody knows him, unless he's popular by reputation or something. Angry relatives? If they show up friendly but ready to tantrum, I draft / lure them into killing rooms; if they're hostile, I deal with them like a siege. Nobles all being upset by the tax collector means nothing if I've killed all the nobles. And it's not like I'm going to make tombs for them, either. Only the law enforcement one looks like an issue.

::::On the other hand, maybe that's the point — you're penalised if you just randomly kill nobles because you don't like them, but you're also allowed to run a "screw the nobility, we're a free communal fortress" game (or have a "kill the entire current regime, we want a revolution" event) so long as you actively enforce it. — [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] ([[User talk:Wisq|talk]]) 19:02, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

: Another issue that can pop up is killing your Baron/Count/Duke, their spouse will stick around and remain a noble even after the replacement and their spouse has shown up. On one fortress my count had 3 Countess Consorts, one was his wife and the other 2 were leftovers from the previous 2 counts. One Baron happened to be standing under a drawbridge as it came down (don't ask what a drawbridge was doing in his room, lets just say he wasn't going to get that rock crystal item he wanted) and his widow was promoted to Countess Consort when the new Count showed up to replace him a few seasons later. That Count was tending a farm when a squad of gobs beat the living tar out of him and his widow remained a Countess Consort even after the third noble arrived to replace the dead Count. They all still make demands/mandates and still require rooms/tombs and all that as before. [[User:Lando242|Lando242]] 20:55, 18 January 2009 (EST)

== Sorting nobles ==
I find it rather silly to have the Expedition leader in the ''Appointed'' section just to be immediately told (s)he can not be appointed. I'm too newbie in terms of nobles to draft sections that make sense, but I feel this needs changing.[[User:Aykavil|Aykavil]] 08:23, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

== Selling Nobles ==
<tt>╔═╦═╗</tt> Unlock doors, assign lever to noble, order lever pulled. 
<tt>║ò┼^┼</tt> Wait for noble to stand on cage trap, lock both doors. 
<tt>╚═╩═╝</tt> Wait for noble to fall asleep, sell caged noble to elves. 
:Sorry for the crude drawing. My wiki format skills are weak. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 14:36, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

:Eh... except for the small known bug where trying to haul an occupied cage to the trading depot results in whatever is caged being freed and the empty cage being brought in. But once they fix that bug, maybe. -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 16:30, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

::I've been trying to sell my dwarves for ages, as a 'clean' approach to dealing with nobles and unwanted immigration. Sadly, they always seem to die of thirst first. If I let them out just once to drink, they die of hunger. Maybe if I let them out twice... but that's a lot of effort. Better to just let them die, unless they're very popular or something. — [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] ([[User talk:Wisq|talk]]) 19:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Selling to the Elves? That's too cruel, even for nobles! Don't you know that the Elves are '''Cannibals!?!''' --[[User:Arkenstone|Arkenstone]] 12:45 17 August 2009 (EST)
::::[ENTITY:FOREST]
:::::[CREATURE:ELF]
:::::[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:ACCEPTABLE]

::::::Actually, they're not cannibals. That would state that they would eat each other if they killed each other. This is only that they'll eat the dead that they kill themselves, and as killing each other in their society is not acceptable they won't eat each other, however, if the Sapient_other tag was set to acceptable they might end up eating each other if they die by any means. [[User:Shardok|Shardok]] 20:16, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

== Category? ==

I would do this myself if I knew how, but perhaps someone should make a noble category, with all the noble related articles (Unfortunate accident, mandate, types of nobles, etc) in it. I think it would be useful. [[User:Spoggerific|Spoggerific]] 20:53, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

==Nobles Working==

Actually, nobles not only gather harvest if you put all dwarves harvest on, but they also help demolishing constructed walls.=--[[User:Stinhad Limarezum|Stinhad Limarezum]] 00:53, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

:Thanks, I'll add that to [[labor]].--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 03:16, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

==Arrival Requirements Verified==
Ok, I just had the Baroness, Hammerer, and Tax Collector arrive simultaneously with no other dwarves. I'm playing with a population cap of 50, and births (plus overflow of last immigration wave) has finally taken me up to exactly 80 dwarves. Despite the population cap, the Baroness, Tax Collector, and Hammerer arrived by themselves.

<s>Note that the Baroness Consort has not arrived, presumably because he takes the place of a normal dwarf during the immigration wave and can't be generated in violation of the population cap (whereas the other three can).</s> nevermind, he just showed up.

I should also note that I earlier had the King arrive as a peasant by himself despite being at the population cap. He also brought no consort nor advisor (although I've never had him arrive as a peasant before, so I don't know if that's normal).

I have not seen a philosopher as of yet.

As my fortress wealth is past 8 million at this point, I think its safe to say I can rule that out as a cause (having seen them at much lower wealth in default pop cap games).

--[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 19:30, 7 December 2008 (EST)

:I had the usual five nobles show up once in an immigration wave that took me over 80 dwarves, and promptly killed them, along with most of the immigrants. I subsequently set my population max to 50. My current population (minus nobles) is 69, yet those same nobles continue to show up every few seasons, suggesting that once you become a barony (80 pop, initial baron/ess arrival), they'll continue to show up again, regardless of your current status. — [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] ([[User talk:Wisq|talk]]) 19:10, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

==Noble demands==

I currently have a Baroness demanding "item in Dining Room". Any idea what could satisfy this? I tried a bismuth bronze statue, no luck. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 00:24, 5 January 2009 (EST)

: This is a bug. Check # 000491 @ http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_bugs.html --[[User:Sinergistic|Sinergistic]] 00:47, 5 January 2009 (EST)

==Pretentious Arrangements==

Thoughts about a lesser's pretentious <whatever> arrangements seem to be a common source of noble unhappiness. (this is especially annoying for me as my mayor has an artifact in her bedroom raising it to Royal and my queen has no list of likes and dislikes, so I can't make her happy just by having the right booze) it would be interesting to know what exactly causes the difference between "upset" and "shattered", how to avoid it, and good ways to mitigate it's effects. I might have to do some research on my old fort to check this myself. --[[User:Pyrite|Pyrite]] 13:58, 6 January 2009 (EST)

:Well, I suspect that the difference is related to the difference in room value, although I suppose that's stating the obvious. Another obvious solution would be to move the artefact into the higher-ranked Noble's room, assuming that's possible. Otherwise, I suppose the simplest (if not the easiest) way to mitigate its effects is to add as much value as possible to the Queen's room. As well as furniture, you can get surprising results with smoothings, engravings, and building an expensive floor over the engraved one if you have no qualms about exploiting such strangeness.--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 18:07, 6 January 2009 (EST)
::I can confirm it's the difference between relative worth. I kept getting these annoying messages in my count + consort until I stuffed a platinum statue in their rooms. Obviously, this increased the worth of the room by 12K, easily dominating the 'lesser' quarters.

::It does require that there be a significant difference; having them at roughly equal worth will cause unhappy thoughts, which was my problem in my most recent fortress. I just housed all my nobles in the same residential stack as everyone else, adding extra room additions off the main design for offices, dining rooms, etc. The Count's room was a LITTLE better as his walls happened to be ore-bearing, but it wasn't enough to please him, hence the statue.--[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 10:04, 7 January 2009 (EST)
:::Alright, I've put the artefact cabinet back in my mayor's room, and now will proceed to test this principle by making the Queen's rooms incredibly nice. I'm going to start by replacing all her furniture with gold and platinum, and move up from there.--[[User:Pyrite|Pyrite]] 15:49, 7 January 2009 (EST)
::::You may have a long way to go. Artifact furniture can easily be 50 or 60K, whereas the most expensive single piece of furniture I've ever been able to produce is a masterwork platinum statue, which is 12K. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 16:36, 7 January 2009 (EST)

::::While you can't order artifacts dumped, you can apparently order them forbidden. So maybe you could forbid it and then move the creator's quarters elsewhere, leaving the original one vacant. Or maybe you could make them temporary quarters elsewhere, wait for them to move the artifact, then forbid it and move them back. — [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] ([[User talk:Wisq|talk]]) 19:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Noble upgrade size. ==

I have a count still event though I have 148 dwarves. Could it be dependant on more than just the 140, or is it different now? [[User:PierreMonteux|PierreMonteux]] 21:55, 11 February 2009 (EST)

: I'm at 188 dwarves still with a count not a duke. Could there be a dependancy on metal jobs? Other than melting down the goblin metal, I don't have any metal jobs going. [[User:PierreMonteux|PierreMonteux]] 10:47, 14 February 2009 (EST)

I just had a peasant give birth to a baby. This put my population at 110, and I immediately got a message that my fortress had been made into a county. So, I will remove the "verify" tags from the count/count consort promotion info.--[[User:Scrotch|Scrotch]] 18:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

::I'm certain that exports are a requirement. Remember that only wealth you have created can count as exports, trading goblin items won't raise the number. If you can't offer it, it doesn't count. I had a fortress with 140+ dwarves that jumped up to a barony from nothing when I started exporting. --[[User:Sensei|Sensei: Last seen somewhere in the Basic Jungle of Terror]] 20:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Failure to comply ==

I'm surprised this hasn't come up yet, but what happens if you don't give a noble the room he/she requires? I know they get unhappy thoughts, but is that all? Will they punish anyone? Or just start throwing tantrums? Next useless noble I get is sleeping in the barracks. On the floor.
:Unhappy thoughts? I don't think there is any repercusions. --[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 16:26, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unhappy nobles means more mandates, more demands and harsher sentences. --[[User:Sensei|Sensei: Last seen somewhere in the Basic Jungle of Terror]] 20:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I just read this and checked my noble's happiness levels and justice levels, and even though they all seem ecstatic lately I have someone who's being jailed for 64 days, which I think is pretty extreme. I have been fulfilling hardly any of their mandates though, so perhaps jail time is related more to mandates than happiness?[[User:Gnavin|Gnavin]] 14:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Why Nobles Exist: ==

Nobles exist because Dwarven government is a feudal system; the fortress is just a semi-autonomous local government which must still answer to the King, and here's why:
::Long ago in the Age of Myth, the King's ancestor was legendary +5 in every military skill and took control of everything, killing all who resisted. His descendants are now <s>fat, lazy, whoremongering, good for nothing slobs</s> not as <s>cool</s> personally strong as he was, but they still technically own everything, including "your" fortress. The expedition that went to "colonize the King's land" did so with his permission, <s>usually given while drunk</s>. When your fortress becomes large enough that it can no longer <s>avoid notice</s> govern itself "properly", the King sends one of his <s>drinking mates</s> representatives to <s>screw up</s> "manage" the fortress. The nobles hold the authority of the King, and so there every <s>ridiculous</s> <s>stupid</s> <s>impossible</s> "reasonable" mandate "MUST" be obeyed. --[[User:Arkenstone|Arkenstone]] 12:37 17 August, 2009 (EST)

40d:Noble

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[[Noble]]s are <s>good for nothing piles of turd</s> [[dwarf|dwarves]] that <s>do pretty much nothing, except for demanding everything</s> have <s>"</s>special duties<s>"</s> in addition to or instead of the duties of normal dwarves. Some nobles also have various privileges that normal dwarves do not, and will demand certain accommodations, like a [[Room#Room_grades|better office]].

Settings specific to each noble can be set on the [[Nobles_Screen|Nobles & Administrators Screen]], accessible via the {{key|n}} key.

== Appointments ==

These are nobles you can appoint through the Nobles & Administrators Screen.

* [[Leader|Expedition Leader]]:
:Listens to the complaints of other dwarves to make them happier. Uses [[social skill]]s. Needs an [[office]] in order to meet with outpost [[liaison]]s. It is not possible to reassign this post – at least while the original holder of the title remains alive. Your initial expedition leader is chosen based on managerial skills. You will find that your broker is often 'volunteered' for this job by the other dwarves. Note that if there is no obvious candidate for Expedition Leader, it is chosen randomly. Additionally, if your Expedition Leader is slain and you do not choose a new one, a random dwarf will be volunteered for the job after about half a season.
::* [[Leader|Mayor]]:
:::Promoted from expedition leader at 50 dwarves. Unlike the expedition leader, he requires decent housing and will make [[mandate]]s. The dwarf who acts as mayor is replaced by election every couple of years, but can also be re-elected.

* [[Outpost broker]]:
:Utilizes the [[appraiser]] skill and [[social skill]]s. Is the person you send to the [[depot]] to do your [[trading]]. Lets you see the imported/exported wealth of your fortress.
:: Outpost Broker changes title according to the status of your [[fortress]].

''Note - There is substantial overlap between the Expedition Leader and the Outpost Broker's duties and skills, so you may wish to assign them as the same person if you have time for one dwarf to both meet with traders, meet with the outpost liaison, and pacify the occasional unhappy dwarf. The same [[office]] can be used to both take stock and to conduct meetings, saving on real estate and decorating costs in the early game.''

* [[Manager]]:
:Utilizes the [[organizer]] skill. Allows the use of item build queues through the {{K|j}}obs -> {{K|m}}anager screen. Will need an office to do this (validating work orders) once your fortress has twenty dwarves.
:: Changes title according to the status of your [[fortress]].

* [[Bookkeeper]]:
:Utilizes the [[record keeper]] skill. Lets you see the stocks of your fortress. Needs to do occasional jobs in an office of their own if you want precise stock keeping: otherwise, stock numbers will only be precise to one significant figure (e.g., 7163 -> 7000, 7823 -> 8000).
::* Upgrades to [[treasurer]] at 100,000 fortress wealth.
::* Further upgrades to [[grand treasurer]] at 200,000 fortress wealth.
::* Further upgrades to [[hoardmaster]] at 300,000 fortress wealth.

* [[Sheriff]]:
:You may choose a dwarf to become the Sheriff after your fortress reaches a population of 20.
::* [[Captain of the guard]]: Promoted from the sheriff once you reach 50 dwarves, along with the [[mayor]]. Activates [[fortress guard]].

== Immigrant Nobles ==

These nobles appear in [[immigration]] waves and cannot be appointed by the player.

* [[Baron|Baron(ess)]] arrives at 80 dwarves and an unverified exported wealth.
** Upgrades to [[Count|Count(ess)]] at 110.
** Upgrade to [[Duke/Duchess]] at 140. {{verify}}
* [[Baron Consort|Baron(ess) Consort]]: Arrives with the [[Baron|Baron(ess)]].
** Upgrades to [[Count Consort]] at 110.
** Upgrade to [[Duke/Duchess Consort]] at 140.
* [[King]]/Queen: Ruler of your parent [[civilization]] and upgrades your fort to Mountainhome.
* [[King Consort]]: Occasionally same gender as the King, although this has been fixed in the dev log.
* [[Advisor]]: Arrives with the King's entourage.
* [[Dungeon master]]: Trains and cares for [[animals]] and performs miscellaneous metalsmithing tasks.
* [[Hammerer]]: He or she will enforce the law with a mighty [[hammer]]. Arrives either at 80 dwarves or with the Baron (equivalent). (Arrival trigger unknown.)
* [[Philosopher]]: Has no labor options turned on, but has no requirements and makes no mandates.
* [[Tax collector]] : Activates [[dwarven economy]]. {{verify}} Arrives either at 80 dwarves or with the Baron (equivalent).

== Room Requirements Summary ==

The nobles require various rooms assigned to them. If you're running out of time and your noble is starting to get angry, [[How do I increase the value of a room quickly and easily|here are some tips on increasing the value of the room quickly]]. As a quick reference, here is a summary of those rooms:

{| border="1"
!Noble!!Quarters!!Dining Room!!Office!!Tomb
|- align="center"

!Advisor
|bgcolor="#ffff44"|Great Bedroom||bgcolor="#ffff44"|Great Dining Room||bgcolor="#ffff44"|Throne Room||—
|- align="center"

!Baron(ess)
|bgcolor="#ffff88"|Decent Bedroom||bgcolor="#ffff88"|Decent Dining Room||bgcolor="#ffff88"|Decent Office||bgcolor="#ffff88"|Tomb
|- align="center"

!Baron(ess)'s consort
|bgcolor="#ffff88"|Decent Bedroom||bgcolor="#ffff88"|Decent Dining Room||—||bgcolor="#ffff88"|Tomb
|- align="center"

!Bookkeeper
|—||—||bgcolor="#ffffee"|Meager Office||—

|- align="center"
!Captain of the guard
|bgcolor="#ffffaa"|Quarters||bgcolor="#ffffaa"|Dining Room||bgcolor="#ffffaa"|Office||—

|- align="center"
!Count(ess)
|bgcolor="#ffff44"|Great Bedroom||bgcolor="#ffff44"|Great Dining Room||bgcolor="#ffff44"|Throne Room||bgcolor="#ffff44"|Mausoleum

|- align="center"
!Count consort
|bgcolor="#ffff44"|Great Bedroom||bgcolor="#ffff44"|Great Dining Room||—||bgcolor="#ffff44"|Mausoleum

|- align="center"
!Duke
|bgcolor="#ffff22"|Grand Bedroom||bgcolor="#ffff22"|Grand Dining Room||bgcolor="#ffff22"|Opulent Throne Room||bgcolor="#ffff22"|Grand Mausoleum

|- align="center"
!Duke Consort
|bgcolor="#ffff22"|Grand Bedroom||bgcolor="#ffff22"|Grand Dining Room||—||bgcolor="#ffff22"|Grand Mausoleum

|- align="center"
!Dungeon Master
|bgcolor="#ffffaa"|Quarters||bgcolor="#ffffaa"|Dining Room||bgcolor="#ffffaa"|Office||bgcolor="#ffffaa"|Burial Chamber

|- align="center"
!Hammerer
|bgcolor="#ffffaa"|Quarters||bgcolor="#ffffaa"|Dining Room||—||—

|- align="center"
!King
|bgcolor="#ffff00"|Royal Bedroom||bgcolor="#ffff00"|Royal Dining Room||bgcolor="#ffff00"|Royal Throne Room||bgcolor="#ffff00"|Royal Mausoleum

|- align="center"
!King/Queen Consort
|bgcolor="#ffff00"|Royal Quarters||bgcolor="#ffff00"|Royal Dining Room||—||bgcolor="#ffff00"|Royal Mausoleum

|- align="center"
!Manager
|—||—||bgcolor="#ffffee"|Meager Office||—

|- align="center"
!Mayor
|bgcolor="#ffff88"|Decent Quarters||bgcolor="#ffff88"|Decent Dining Room||bgcolor="#ffff88"|Decent Office||—

|- align="center"
!Broker
|—||—||bgcolor="#ffffee"|Meager Office||—

|- align="center"
!Sheriff
|bgcolor="#ffffcc"|Modest Quarters||bgcolor="#ffffcc"|Modest Dining Room||bgcolor="#ffffcc"|Modest Office||—

|- align="center"
!Tax Collector
|bgcolor="#ffffcc"|Modest Quarters||bgcolor="#ffffcc"|Modest Dining Room||bgcolor="#ffffaa"|Office||—
|}

== Meager Offices ==
The easiest way to give dwarves a meager office is simply to assign them a single seat in your communal dining room.
[[Category:Nobles]]

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== Nobles affected by Reclaiming? ==

My current fortress is a reclaimed one, due to a fire that got into one of my guardtowers' food storage. In the old fortress, I had managed to get a Baron, who was soon skipping right up to Duke and Incoming king after a couple of immigrants. Well, after reclaiming, I proceeded as normal, except, even though my value is still incredibly high from the fortress (1 million+ created wealth, and 400k exported, now), I recieved a count within it's specified area of requirement, but not the Baron before. Even still, My Count does not seem to be upgrading to Duke anytime soon, seeing as I have 188 dwarves, now. Anyone have any ideas, now? [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 12:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Noble Additions and Requirements ==

Added the dungeon keeper noble. He just showed up at my fort in year 1053. --[[Idles]]

I'm "fixing" the change, "16:59, 31 October 2007 Lightning4 (Talk | contribs) (1,934 bytes) (→Appointments - Isn't called bookkeeper, at least when the fortress is new.)", because in my forts it IS called bookkeeper when the fortress starts. Other edits have backed me up, suspect editor was confused--Please discuss this here? --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 15:09, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:I apologize, I was indeed incorrect. You do start with a Bookkeeper, which in very short order can be upgraded to a Treasurer. Unsure of requirements, possibly only requires 20 dwarves like the sheriff. My fortress has one and I haven't even done anything besides changed who had bookkeeping and set it to higher priority (did not build study yet). That's probably what got me confused since the bookkeeper upgrades very quickly. [[User:Lightning4|Lightning4]] 18:11, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::Yeah, 20 dwarves sounds accurate enough to put in there. He didn't turn when I had only 17. --[[User:Sowelu|Sowelu]] 18:14, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

"Your original expedition leader will be the fourth dwarf down in the starting screen(the one in the middle)." This does not seem to hold true; I have a newly-developed habit of making the last dwarf on the screen (used to be my designated hauler-peasant) into the administrator, with all the social skills for filling the four starter noble roles. He gets auto-assigned to all four administrative positions; I'm thinking that instead of being fixed or random, the starting assignment is based on social skills. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 00:29, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

I had a Philosopher show up last night. I'm unsure of the requirement to get him; the only really notable thing that had happened was I got over 100 dwarves. I'm adding him to the list of Nobles, though, since I can confirm he still exists in the new version. I also divided the page structure between Appointed and Immigrant nobles, since the current header was misleading (Dungeon Master and Philosopher cannot be appointed). --[[User:Zurai|Zurai]] 20:55, 10 November 2007 (EST)

I had the king show up tonight. "The King arrives, dressed as a peasant." I have no idea what the requirements were. I missed the 1051 and 1052 dwarf caravans due to prolonged sieges, and had no immigrants those years. 1053 I had the caravan; a season later a wave of immigration brought my total dwarves up to 37. In the spring the king arrived, along with enough others to bring the population to 63. At that time I was notified that the Captain of the Guard position was available. Only thing I can think is that I hit adamantine during the siege years, and mistakenly built a number of ridiculously valuable adamantine objects. (Door, Coffin, etc.) This has raised my fortress value to 1.3 million. Is 1 million value perhaps the trigger? I have no coins, and no nobles other than the starting 4 positions. I did not appoint a sheriff. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:15, 15 November 2007 (EST)
:In the last version, hitting adamantine without proper requirement for the king triggered the reaction of having the king arrive dressed as a paysant. Maybe it's the same here. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 04:20, 15 November 2007 (EST)
== What determines expedition leader? ==

There are a number of situations to test out:
* No social skills on any dwarves
** ''Probably random, possibly based on the Dwarf's thoughts and preferences''
* Majority of social skills on one dwarf (various positions in start order)
** ''Test case 1: only one dwarf has social skills - gives that dwarf as leader and all positions''
* Social skills spread between multiple dwarves
** Is there any weight on which skill determines the leader?
--[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 01:25, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:Is the first point certain? In my current fortress, I didn't assign any social skills to any dwarf, and I'm pretty certain that the dwarf that ended up expedition leader was the seventh in the list. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 02:28, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
::In my current fort I assigned no social skills and the first dwarf in the list, one of my miners, is the expedition leader. --[[User:Moller|Moller]] 02:40, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
:::Might be randomised then, I started three new fortresses for the test and each time it was the same so I made an assumption. Obviously this isn't the case can you two check what thoughts/prefs you have for those so we can look for some leadership criteria. --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 08:10, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
::::It's almost always been the first dwarf for me (assuming no one had leadership skills), but I could have sworn one time it assigned someone else. Maybe it defaults to the first dwarf on the list but can sometimes choose someone else under certain conditions. [[User:Rpb|Rpb]] 22:29, 10 November 2007 (EST)
:::::Perhaps the first dwarf didn't get it because of negative preferences? Some dwarves have a line in their thoughts/prefs that reads something like "X prefers to let others take leadership roles". [[User:Tocky|Tocky]] 11:04, 11 November 2007 (EST)

==Room requirements==
Maybe something about the nobles requiring better rooms and how to build them? --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 15:15, 4 November 2007 (EST)
:Found it in [[room]]s, adding a link. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 15:34, 4 November 2007 (EST)

The [[How do I increase the value of a room quickly and easily]] page seems to be a pretty helpful page, but so far what links to it may not be much help when someone is in a pinch with their nobles ([[Door]], [[Room]], [[Furniture]] and the [[Frequently Asked Questions]]). After all, I assume that page exists for that constant problem with nobles where your Baron requests a "Grand" dining room and DAMMIT, the best you can do is a "Decent" dining room and that sweet, kick-ass, dolomite dining table with the chrysoberyls the image of a dwarf striking down a goblin isn't ready yet because your legendary Gem Setter is "Attending Party". So perhaps a link on the Nobles page should also exist? [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 15:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

== Not 100? ==

I just received migrants. My population went from 76 to 100, and my settlement went from a village to a town. No nobles arrived with the migrants. [[User:Geekwad|Geekwad]] 17:14, 18 November 2007 (EST)
:Still a town at 108
:Another wave, and we're a city at 111 (migrants still incoming)
::My population went from 101 to 126 in one wave. A Baroness arrived at the same time and turned my settlement into a Barony. Shortly afterwards, my settlement turned into a County (125+ dwarves?). Then Baroness upgraded into a Countess. Baron consort upgraded to a Count Consort.--[[User:Slumber|Slumber]] 16:49, 19 November 2007 (EST)
::Next immigration wave, my pop hit 138. Nothing happens. Then next immigration wave, my pop hits 141, the Countess upgrades to Duchess and the Count Consort upgrades to Duke Consort. Also, "Incoming King" is the top line on the Nobles screen. When you select it, it shows you what you need to achieve in terms of 1. architecture value (15000) 2. road value (5000) and 3. offerings value. (5000). I'm not sure what criteria triggers the King as it happened at the same time as my Duchess. I did just hit 200k exported wealth. Conincedence? --[[User:Slumber|Slumber]] 10:27, 20 November 2007 (EST)
::Another wave, jumped to 161 pop, and some more nobles, a Duke and his Duke Consort. Now I have both a Duke and Duchess!--[[User:Slumber|Slumber]] 14:06, 20 November 2007 (EST)
:I was made a city and a barony at 110, and promoted to county almost immediately after. No new immigration happened, and I hadn't reached the 120 mark yet. [[User:Rpb|Rpb]] 16:27, 24 November 2007 (EST)
:The last immigration wave brought me from 98 to a total of 124 including baron/consort, tax collector and hammerer. It is now a City and a Barony. I'll watch out if it changes on the first immigrant from the next wave.I currently have over 500k created wealth and 17000 exported.--[[User:Another|Another]] 16:05, 24 November 2007 (EST)
:One child is born and now my total population is 125. Still a City and a Barony.--[[User:Another|Another]] 09:23, 25 November 2007 (EST)
:My fortress was upgraded to County when the caravan left the map and my exported wealth leaped from 17k to 26k. The trigger for the County must be either 20k or 25k exported wealth. --[[User:Another|Another]] 12:47, 25 November 2007 (EST)
::Baron arrived during an immigration wave going from 88 to 112 dwarves, and upgraded to a Count not long after arrival but ''not'' immediately either (perhaps as the population went over 100?). Exported wealth was probably around 50k at the time. Now at 119 (and 80k exported) and not yet a Duke. Looks like there's a combination of factors involved. [[User:Cim|Cim]] 11:10, 14 December 2007 (EST)
:Upgrade of the fortress to Duchy was at exactly 140th dwarf from an immigration wave. "The Incoming King" included. Total created wealth - 950k, total exported - 30k.--[[User:Another|Another]] 16:37, 1 December 2007 (EST)
: My Baron arrived in the immigration wave that took me over 100 (I had peaked at 96 previously) but this was also the season where I crossed the 50,000 threshold on exported wealth. I actually went from 48,000 to 62,000 over the course of the year, and the baron arrived in the Spring, I did have an immigration wave after crossing 50,000 in the fall. Almost immediately after my baron arrived, he was promoted to count. My population is 119. --[[User:Mitchy|Mitchy]] 16:41, 3 January 2008 (EST)
:At exported wealth 45k, my Baron promoted to Count at the 110th immigrant. (Baron arrived in the first immigration wave after getting 80 population, can't remember what exported wealth was then) [[User:Cim|Cim]] 20:12, 5 January 2008 (EST)
:Population at 93 no Baron. Next wave - first person to arrive is a Countess, with this wave population went to 114. (So, had no Baron at all) --[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 23:39, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Verified about 140 limit for Duke. My Wrestler have given birth to a boy, the populationd got to 140, and the next message is about the fortress becoming a capital of Duchy. --[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 00:10, 24 January 2008 (EST)

== Queen As Peasant ==

I had dug out some raw adamantine, not done anything with it, and I got a notification that 'Your ruler has arrived disguised as a peasant.' At the same time, my Dungeon Master arrived. I don't have an announcement in the log about the Queen, but I do about the DM. I'm treating her like it's legit, what's the deal?

:Your ruler has heard of the discovery of adamantine, and hurried to yuor fort to oversee the digging. She turned up "disguised as a peasant" because your fort doesn't meet the regular requirements for attracting the monarch and moving to your site officially would be embarassing (in roleplaying/story terms of course). She's perfectly legit, just wasn't attracted in the "conventional" sense by having the largest, wealthiest fort in the civilisation you belong to.--[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 06:42, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

== Baron mandates "crowns"? ==

I just got a baron, and the first thing he mandates is two crowns. So i type Crown into the jobs/manager list. nothing. So I type crown in dwarf wiki. Nothing. Can anyone help before I have to drop this noble into a pit to keep him from locking up my crafters?
:Info about specific crafts isn't present in the new wiki, but a crown is in fact a "craft" item. [http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Craftsdwarf%27s_Workshop#Crafts You can see the old wiki info about crafts here]. You'll probably need to set several crafting jobs to get a crown since the item produced by a crafting task is random with several possibilities. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 00:06, 1 February 2008 (EST)

== Killing nobles ? ==

Is killing nobles dangerous ? (does it stop immigrations or something ?)

Because I've got a Count totally uncontrolable, who can't stop throwing tantrums in the middle of my fortress, which is somewhat tiresome... So, if I just can lock him into his bedroom and let him starve to death, it would be great, but I don't know if it won't cause more problems..

(Also, sorry for my bad english, I'm french)
[[User:Timst|Timst]] 05:40, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

:Killing off your nobles only really has the penalties associated with killing any other dwarf - their friends and family will be upset, and you lose that dwarf's abilities. In the case of nobles a replacement will usually turn up with the next migrant wave, unless your fort no longer meets the requirements for that noble. You can, of course, kill the replacement too - with lesser repercussions as he won't have had time to make any friends yet.--[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 06:38, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

::Ok, thanks :) I was afraid that the death of a count could induct a reaction of the mountainhomes or something like that... If the only reaction will be the one of the countess, it will be ok :) [[User:Timst|Timst]] 07:00, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

:::In the future, killing off a noble will have repercussions, however, so don't depend on that behaviour forever. ;-)
:::''Req291, NOBLE DEATH, (Future): Killing off nobles needs to have serious consequences. Once the counties (see Core28) are in, there could be revolts from the village if the count is popular. Other nobles could have angry relatives. Losing your law enforcement nobles could lead to more tantrums and other acts in large fortresses. Nobles should all be upset by the death of the tax collector. When a noble is buried, other dwarves could be sealed in the tomb.''
:::--[[User:JT|JT]] 15:11, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

::::This doesn't sound like it has much effect on a "kill early, kill often" approach — e.g. preparing their death room immediately upon their arrival, and luring them in via a profile-set lever pull job. The count won't be popular (at least in your fort) if nobody knows him, unless he's popular by reputation or something. Angry relatives? If they show up friendly but ready to tantrum, I draft / lure them into killing rooms; if they're hostile, I deal with them like a siege. Nobles all being upset by the tax collector means nothing if I've killed all the nobles. And it's not like I'm going to make tombs for them, either. Only the law enforcement one looks like an issue.

::::On the other hand, maybe that's the point — you're penalised if you just randomly kill nobles because you don't like them, but you're also allowed to run a "screw the nobility, we're a free communal fortress" game (or have a "kill the entire current regime, we want a revolution" event) so long as you actively enforce it. — [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] ([[User talk:Wisq|talk]]) 19:02, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

: Another issue that can pop up is killing your Baron/Count/Duke, their spouse will stick around and remain a noble even after the replacement and their spouse has shown up. On one fortress my count had 3 Countess Consorts, one was his wife and the other 2 were leftovers from the previous 2 counts. One Baron happened to be standing under a drawbridge as it came down (don't ask what a drawbridge was doing in his room, lets just say he wasn't going to get that rock crystal item he wanted) and his widow was promoted to Countess Consort when the new Count showed up to replace him a few seasons later. That Count was tending a farm when a squad of gobs beat the living tar out of him and his widow remained a Countess Consort even after the third noble arrived to replace the dead Count. They all still make demands/mandates and still require rooms/tombs and all that as before. [[User:Lando242|Lando242]] 20:55, 18 January 2009 (EST)

== Sorting nobles ==
I find it rather silly to have the Expedition leader in the ''Appointed'' section just to be immediately told (s)he can not be appointed. I'm too newbie in terms of nobles to draft sections that make sense, but I feel this needs changing.[[User:Aykavil|Aykavil]] 08:23, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

== Selling Nobles ==
<tt>╔═╦═╗</tt> Unlock doors, assign lever to noble, order lever pulled. 
<tt>║ò┼^┼</tt> Wait for noble to stand on cage trap, lock both doors. 
<tt>╚═╩═╝</tt> Wait for noble to fall asleep, sell caged noble to elves. 
:Sorry for the crude drawing. My wiki format skills are weak. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 14:36, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

:Eh... except for the small known bug where trying to haul an occupied cage to the trading depot results in whatever is caged being freed and the empty cage being brought in. But once they fix that bug, maybe. -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 16:30, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

::I've been trying to sell my dwarves for ages, as a 'clean' approach to dealing with nobles and unwanted immigration. Sadly, they always seem to die of thirst first. If I let them out just once to drink, they die of hunger. Maybe if I let them out twice... but that's a lot of effort. Better to just let them die, unless they're very popular or something. — [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] ([[User talk:Wisq|talk]]) 19:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Selling to the Elves? That's too cruel, even for nobles! Don't you know that the Elves are '''Cannibals!?!''' --[[User:Arkenstone|Arkenstone]] 12:45 17 August 2009 (EST)
::::[ENTITY:FOREST]
:::::[CREATURE:ELF]
:::::[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:ACCEPTABLE]

::::::Actually, they're not cannibals. That would state that they would eat each other if they killed each other. This is only that they'll eat the dead that they kill themselves, and as killing each other in their society is not acceptable they won't eat each other, however, if the Sapient_other tag was set to acceptable they might end up eating each other if they die by any means. [[User:Shardok|Shardok]] 20:16, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

== Category? ==

I would do this myself if I knew how, but perhaps someone should make a noble category, with all the noble related articles (Unfortunate accident, mandate, types of nobles, etc) in it. I think it would be useful. [[User:Spoggerific|Spoggerific]] 20:53, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

==Nobles Working==

Actually, nobles not only gather harvest if you put all dwarves harvest on, but they also help demolishing constructed walls.=--[[User:Stinhad Limarezum|Stinhad Limarezum]] 00:53, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

:Thanks, I'll add that to [[labor]].--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 03:16, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

==Arrival Requirements Verified==
Ok, I just had the Baroness, Hammerer, and Tax Collector arrive simultaneously with no other dwarves. I'm playing with a population cap of 50, and births (plus overflow of last immigration wave) has finally taken me up to exactly 80 dwarves. Despite the population cap, the Baroness, Tax Collector, and Hammerer arrived by themselves.

<s>Note that the Baroness Consort has not arrived, presumably because he takes the place of a normal dwarf during the immigration wave and can't be generated in violation of the population cap (whereas the other three can).</s> nevermind, he just showed up.

I should also note that I earlier had the King arrive as a peasant by himself despite being at the population cap. He also brought no consort nor advisor (although I've never had him arrive as a peasant before, so I don't know if that's normal).

I have not seen a philosopher as of yet.

As my fortress wealth is past 8 million at this point, I think its safe to say I can rule that out as a cause (having seen them at much lower wealth in default pop cap games).

--[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 19:30, 7 December 2008 (EST)

:I had the usual five nobles show up once in an immigration wave that took me over 80 dwarves, and promptly killed them, along with most of the immigrants. I subsequently set my population max to 50. My current population (minus nobles) is 69, yet those same nobles continue to show up every few seasons, suggesting that once you become a barony (80 pop, initial baron/ess arrival), they'll continue to show up again, regardless of your current status. — [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] ([[User talk:Wisq|talk]]) 19:10, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

==Noble demands==

I currently have a Baroness demanding "item in Dining Room". Any idea what could satisfy this? I tried a bismuth bronze statue, no luck. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 00:24, 5 January 2009 (EST)

: This is a bug. Check # 000491 @ http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_bugs.html --[[User:Sinergistic|Sinergistic]] 00:47, 5 January 2009 (EST)

==Pretentious Arrangements==

Thoughts about a lesser's pretentious <whatever> arrangements seem to be a common source of noble unhappiness. (this is especially annoying for me as my mayor has an artifact in her bedroom raising it to Royal and my queen has no list of likes and dislikes, so I can't make her happy just by having the right booze) it would be interesting to know what exactly causes the difference between "upset" and "shattered", how to avoid it, and good ways to mitigate it's effects. I might have to do some research on my old fort to check this myself. --[[User:Pyrite|Pyrite]] 13:58, 6 January 2009 (EST)

:Well, I suspect that the difference is related to the difference in room value, although I suppose that's stating the obvious. Another obvious solution would be to move the artefact into the higher-ranked Noble's room, assuming that's possible. Otherwise, I suppose the simplest (if not the easiest) way to mitigate its effects is to add as much value as possible to the Queen's room. As well as furniture, you can get surprising results with smoothings, engravings, and building an expensive floor over the engraved one if you have no qualms about exploiting such strangeness.--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 18:07, 6 January 2009 (EST)
::I can confirm it's the difference between relative worth. I kept getting these annoying messages in my count + consort until I stuffed a platinum statue in their rooms. Obviously, this increased the worth of the room by 12K, easily dominating the 'lesser' quarters.

::It does require that there be a significant difference; having them at roughly equal worth will cause unhappy thoughts, which was my problem in my most recent fortress. I just housed all my nobles in the same residential stack as everyone else, adding extra room additions off the main design for offices, dining rooms, etc. The Count's room was a LITTLE better as his walls happened to be ore-bearing, but it wasn't enough to please him, hence the statue.--[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 10:04, 7 January 2009 (EST)
:::Alright, I've put the artefact cabinet back in my mayor's room, and now will proceed to test this principle by making the Queen's rooms incredibly nice. I'm going to start by replacing all her furniture with gold and platinum, and move up from there.--[[User:Pyrite|Pyrite]] 15:49, 7 January 2009 (EST)
::::You may have a long way to go. Artifact furniture can easily be 50 or 60K, whereas the most expensive single piece of furniture I've ever been able to produce is a masterwork platinum statue, which is 12K. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 16:36, 7 January 2009 (EST)

::::While you can't order artifacts dumped, you can apparently order them forbidden. So maybe you could forbid it and then move the creator's quarters elsewhere, leaving the original one vacant. Or maybe you could make them temporary quarters elsewhere, wait for them to move the artifact, then forbid it and move them back. — [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] ([[User talk:Wisq|talk]]) 19:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Noble upgrade size. ==

I have a count still event though I have 148 dwarves. Could it be dependant on more than just the 140, or is it different now? [[User:PierreMonteux|PierreMonteux]] 21:55, 11 February 2009 (EST)

: I'm at 188 dwarves still with a count not a duke. Could there be a dependancy on metal jobs? Other than melting down the goblin metal, I don't have any metal jobs going. [[User:PierreMonteux|PierreMonteux]] 10:47, 14 February 2009 (EST)

I just had a peasant give birth to a baby. This put my population at 110, and I immediately got a message that my fortress had been made into a county. So, I will remove the "verify" tags from the count/count consort promotion info.--[[User:Scrotch|Scrotch]] 18:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

::I'm certain that exports are a requirement. Remember that only wealth you have created can count as exports, trading goblin items won't raise the number. If you can't offer it, it doesn't count. I had a fortress with 140+ dwarves that jumped up to a barony from nothing when I started exporting. --[[User:Sensei|Sensei: Last seen somewhere in the Basic Jungle of Terror]] 20:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Failure to comply ==

I'm surprised this hasn't come up yet, but what happens if you don't give a noble the room he/she requires? I know they get unhappy thoughts, but is that all? Will they punish anyone? Or just start throwing tantrums? Next useless noble I get is sleeping in the barracks. On the floor.
:Unhappy thoughts? I don't think there is any repercusions. --[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 16:26, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unhappy nobles means more mandates, more demands and harsher sentences. --[[User:Sensei|Sensei: Last seen somewhere in the Basic Jungle of Terror]] 20:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I just read this and checked my noble's happiness levels and justice levels, and even though they all seem ecstatic lately I have someone who's being jailed for 64 days, which I think is pretty extreme. I have been fulfilling hardly any of their mandates though, so perhaps jail time is related more to mandates than happiness?[[User:Gnavin|Gnavin]] 14:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Why Nobles Exist: ==

Nobles exist because Dwarven government is a feudal system; the fortress is just a semi-autonomous local government which must still answer to the King, and here's why:
::Long ago in the Age of Myth, the King's ancestor was legendary +5 in every military skill and took control of everything, killing all who resisted. His descendants are now <s>fat, lazy, whoremongering, good for nothing slobs</s> not as <s>cool</s> personally strong as he was, but they still technically own everything, including "your" fortress. The expedition that went to "colonize the King's land" did so with his permission, <s>usually given while drunk</s>. When your fortress becomes large enough that it can no longer <s>avoid notice</s> govern itself "properly", the King sends one of his <s>drinking mates</s> representatives to <s>screw up</s> "manage" the fortress. The nobles hold the authority of the King, and so there every <s>ridiculous</s> <s>stupid</s> <s>impossible</s> "reasonable" mandate "MUST" be obeyed. --[[User:Arkenstone|Arkenstone]] 12:37 17 August, 2009 (EST)

40d Talk:Irrigation

2009-09-01T18:13:30Z

3lB33: cleaned up and made new section

Irrigation is not always needed for farming. i have my plot inside on sandy clay loam and it works fine. But: would the harvest maybe be better/faster with water? will check out. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 14:20, 10 February 2008 (EST)
: Made a few changes to clarify.--[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 14:36, 10 February 2008 (EST)
:Irrigation is only needed to be able to farm on rock. Soil layers don't need irrigation before you can farm on them. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:04, 10 February 2008 (EST)
The current version says you can "effectively" water an area 7x the size of the reservoir, but that doesn't seem to take into account the water that remains in the reservoir once the floodgate's opened which can lead to spots getting missed and people who're anal about this sort of stuff getting annoyed - maybe a 6x/5x figure should be used instead so we can get a depth average of 1.4-ish? --[[User:Sorenson|Sorenson]] 11 March 2008 (EST)

The article indicates that "some natural ponds replenish themselves at the beginning of spring." My research indicates that this is the result of water thawing. Any amount of water (x/7) becomes ice during winter (assuming your climate is cold enough). When melting, it becomes 7/7 deep water. [[User:Ripheus|Ripheus]] 02:57, 6 April 2008 (EDT)

Consequently... after irrigating land, is the muddied land subject to evaporation post-planting?
[[User:Okita|Okita]] 03:28, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

I've tidied up the article a lot, and made it much more newbie friendly (thanks also to Brandonazz), but I'm still a bit of a newbie myself so if I've made any factual errors I apologise. Hopefully it should be a lot easier to follow for those new to the game. --[[User:Daxx|Daxx]] 17:55, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Is it possible to irrigate on constructed floors? I'm considering building a farm on top of a tower. [[User:Amenos42|Amenos42]] 00:12, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Does the irrigated land dry up eventually? [[User:Arvid|Arvid]] 17:24, 6 November 2008 (EST)

:If it does, it dries very, very slowly, over the course of years. Using 'dirt roads' can clean up the mud, however. Sadly, there does not seem to be any way to clean up your muddy engraved floors. --[[User:Navian|Navian]] 17:37, 6 November 2008 (EST)
:: Depends on the local temperature, how wet the area is, etc. I've had muddy fields dry out in a season. If there's at least 1/7 water (and it's not just muddy), and you want to get the water out, your best bet is a screw pump. --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 19:16, 6 November 2008 (EST)

==Confusion about growing outdoor seeds in mountain biomes==
I put in info about why plants won't grow in irrigated outdoor plots based on [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=6831.0 this message from Toady]. I suspect that the user who found that this was also true for 'greenhoused' tiles was probably trying it in a mountain biome, but I didn't verify that I could make it work in other biomes. --[[User:Threlicus|Threlicus]] 17:19, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
: I have been successfully running an outdoor, irrigated plot in a desert biome for quite some time now, but I never realized this "bug" before because I had never tried it before in a mountain biome. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 17:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

[http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=6831.0 Toady One said] that " if you settled in the mountains and there's a patch that's just grassless soil, it's probably a mountain biome square that doesn't accept any plant types." So as far as I can tell that means that the outdoor seeds '''will''' grow in mountain biomes, but just not on rocky tiles. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 18:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

==growth of [[Tower cap]]s ==
[[Tower cap]]s will grow on un-irrigated, underground soil just as much, as fast and as often as on irrigated soil - the catch is that you need a soil layer below the soil floor, just like for outdoor trees. Irrigating is only needed for stone. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 20:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

40d:Irrigation

2009-09-01T18:11:58Z

3lB33: See discussion page

'''Irrigation''' is the process of making rocky ground suitable for [[farming]]. This is done by [[flood]]ing it with [[water]]; when the water evaporates, the tiles are labeled as "muddy". This is also called '''muddying''' the floor, as the dry floor tile is then a "muddy <type of stone> floor". Inside [[cave]]s, [[rock]] cavern floor tiles that are covered with water instantly become muddy tiles, which you can then build [[farm plot]]s on.

There are several methods for getting the water onto (and then off of) the floor tiles. Dwarf Fortress uses reasonably-realistic water dynamics, including measures of [[water depth]]. A depth of 7 is full, depths of 1 will evaporate, leaving the stone wet and thus suitable for farming. Your goal in irrigation is to get a section of ground to be 1/7s, so it will evaporate to muddy. Usually it can't be avoided that part of the section will be flooded with higher levels, but water will disperse and eventually evaporate. If the water level gets too high it will no longer evaporate.

[[Smooth]]ed floors that are muddied will remain smooth, however if/when [[shrub]]s or [[tower cap]]s grow, that tile will then revert to a rough stone floor tile. Constructed floors that have been muddied will not prevent the growth of shrubs or tower caps.

== Dryland Farming: farming without irrigation ==

Some locations have layers of [[soil]]* a few z-levels thick. It is not necessary to irrigate soil in order to grow crops on it; it is possible to build a farm plot directly on any soil tiles, although the dwarven crops such as [[plump helmet]]s can only be grown in a [[subterranean]] plot. Likewise, a farm plot built on any tile marked [[Tile_attributes|Above Ground]] can be used to grow outdoor crops such as [[whip vine]]. This method obviates the need for irrigation entirely, so is recommended for newbies.

(* Note: ''Any'' type of [[soil]] is the same for this purpose in Dwarf Fortress, so you can build farm plots on sand, mud, ooze, clay, whatever.)

Once the proper requirements are met, [[Tower cap]]s will grow on any unimproved (i.e., non-irrigated, non-farm plot) underground soil, but very sparsely - irrigating is always recommended for tower cap farms.

== Pump Irrigation ==

[[Stone]] floors can be irrigated conveniently from a water source on the level below, by use of a [[screw pump]]. Simply dig a channel to access the water on z-1, install a pump and set to Start Pump Manually ({{k|q}} + {{k|Enter}}). Any dwarf with the 'Pump Operating' duty active will quickly pump enough water to irrigate a large area (so rapidly that irrigating other rooms becomes a concern!). This can be improved by installing a second pump to draw water out of the room, allowing you to rapidly drain the room in the event of over-filling, or by other creative designs.

== Wave Irrigation ==

Although seawater is unfit for carrying to your farm in a bucket, areas muddied by seawater seem to be farmable. One favored method of achieving this is building a farm room under a beach and making a hole in its roof, closeable with a hatch, to let waves in. Alternately, water is desalinated by pumping, so pumping it to your farming room will work if the water does not pass through an aquifer.

== Outdoor Irrigation ==

Outdoor irrigation of rocky locations is possible using similar techniques, though you may have to construct walls to make water channels, pumps to get it out of rivers, and/or stairs up to pour water down on top of a pond zone. This will serve to make muddy tiles suitable for a farm plot; however, be warned -- in mountain [[biome|biomes]] (where you are most likely to feel the need to irrigate outdoors), no outdoor seeds will grow in rocky locations anyway. (The specific message is, "No seeds available for this location"). However, these techniques do work just fine for muddying individual rocky tiles breaking up your farm in a non-mountain [[biome]].

An "outdoor" plot can be built on indoor soil by opening up the ceiling, and optionally flooring it over again, but this won't work on indoor mud{{Verify}}. If the farm plot includes at least one soil/grass tile, this does not appear to happen.

== De-Irrigation ==

On soil, building a wall and then removing it results in furrowed soil. However, on mud, the process results in rough but dry rock. This may be a bug in v0.28.181.40d, however.

==Design Examples==

=== Easy Irrigation ===

# {{K|d}}ig from the [[farm plot]] to any source of water, but keep a single tile of [[wall]] between the newbuilt passage and the water.
# Dig a passage from the plot towards lower ground or a pit, to serve as a water drain ''(this stage is not 100% necessary, but means you don't have to worry about having too much water and so is recommended)''.
# Build a [[floodgate]], and three [[mechanism]]s. (If you're worried about delay, use [[door]]s instead of floodgates.
# Place the floodgate in the passage. The idea is that it'll block the water from coming through when it's closed.
# Build a [[lever]] and link it to the floodgate.
# If you are building a drain, follow steps 3-5 again and place the second floodgate at the entrance to the drainage channel, linked to the second lever.
# {{K|P}}ull the first lever so the gate opens.
# Send a miner to dig that last wall keeping the water from rushing in.
#: Alternatively, have the miner dig a [[channel]] ({{K|d}},{{K|h}}) on that last wall from the Z-level above. This is much safer, since the miner will dig out the wall without actually having to stand in the way of the water.
# Use the first lever to close the channel once you've got enough water to spread over the area. If you have a drain, you can now let any excess drain off using your second lever.
# The water should now cover (or have covered) 1/7 of each tile.
# Wait for the water to evaporate and/or drain off (Dwarves can built farm plots in 1/7 water, so you don't need to wait).
# Enjoy your newly irrigated land.

===Easier, safer irrigation===

Here's a relatively safe and simple irrigation plan. As shown it's set up for an underground [[tower cap]] farm, but can easily be adapted to any level, surface or deep underground.

This is a passive system - it's never connected to the river, so it won't do anything unless manned by a dwarf, and it doesn't need any levers or floodgates to work - or to ''stop'' working. Unless you forget about it, no [[flood]]ing should occur - and even if you do and it does, it's foolproof to stop.

Dig a tunnel from ''next to'' your river (don't breach!) to roughly the ''middle'' of your future TC farm, and up to it. 2-3 tiles wide should provide a good, controlled rate of flow from one pump, and ramps or stairs work fine for connecting levels.

Now, the trick is to use a pump on the surface level to provide the water, the pressure, and the control. Build your pump next to the river - (if it's a [[brook]] you'll have to channel 1 tile of the brook for the inflow - don't breach the tunnel!). For the outflow, build a retaining wall around the start of your irrigation tunnel.

It will look something like this:

surface level __ xX( )__________________________________
river water level <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> |_|== | ____TC_ _Farm____
water -1 |_|===================|_| <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> = river/brook* xX = pump ''(pumps from left, from west in this diagram)''
( ) = small walled retaining area on surface, to contain outflow of pump.
|_| = channels, ramps, and/or stairs up to next level
=== = underground tunnel for water flow

:''(* This can work from a [[pool]], but that is not an infinite source of water. Plan accordingly.)''

Order the pump to "start pump(ing) manually" ({{k|q}} + {{k|Enter}}), a dwarf will respond, the retaining wall will try to fill but will drain down, the tunnel will fill, and the water will start welling up out of the far end.

When at least 1/7 depth has covered ''almost'' the entire area ''(yes, you have to keep half an eye on it, so '''you''' are the sole point of failure!)'', go to the pump and tell it to stop pumping - order it deconstructed and then cancel that, and/or {{k|A}}ctivating the dwarf will do fine and be immediate, no lag.

The water settles out and [[evaporation]] begins immediately. You can then seal up the tunnel or ignore it as you choose (even if you later, accidentally, breach the river/brook, the u-bend won't cause flooding if the irrigation is on the same level, as shown above.)

If the layout of your underground rooms prevents a one-level tunnel, you can easily drop it down additional levels - it's the difference between the inflow and outflow that matters. Avoid single-diagonal paths - keeping the tunnel 2-3 wide will always provides pressure and flow.

One drawback is that the lower tunnel will stay full of water, which can be a small problem if you ever, later wish to expand the tunnel for other purposes. One or more drawbridges, acting to block the passage, will allow you to seal it later for easier expansion projects, and, if your first effort, is a good safe opportunity to practice in a non-critical situation. (See also: [[fun]].)

=== Reservoir Irrigation ===

The reservoir method involves building a small reservoir between two [[floodgate|floodgates]] and a farming chamber about 7 times as large as the reservoir. A reservoir of 12 tiles, for instance, can water a 70 tile chamber effectively. Water is let into the reservoir by lowering, then raising one floodgate. The other floodgate then releases the water into the farming chamber. It spreads around, then evaporates after becoming 1 deep.

The reservoir may be built above the plot to be irrigated with a [[hatch]] or [[bridge]] in the floor, to one side using floodgates, or below and [[pump]]ed upwards. Note that [[Bridge|bridges]], in their default state, will block water from falling between levels. The large surface area you can get this way can make the water spread over your farm area much faster than by using floodgates.

It is possible to achieve the same result using a natural pond as the water reservoir. Doing so is easier in the short term but it is not advised if you want to keep replenishing your reservoir for other uses, such as [[well]](s), for natural ponds have a very finite amount of water available. On particular maps, natural ponds can replenish themselves at the beginning of each spring.

===== Worked Example =====

To create this irrigation system, you need: [[Image:Tree_farm.png|right]]   

* A large growing room.
:*The large room can be any size. (For this example, we will use a 24 by 24 size room.)
* An adjacent smaller filling room that will be filled with exactly the right amount of water.
:*To calculate the size of this room, see below.
* A water supply line such as a tube leading to a water source.
* Lever-controlled [[door]]s or floodgates connecting the large room to the smaller one, and the smaller one to the water supply. Doors are preferred as you don't need levers for your [[dwarf]] to pass. (However, if you're paranoid or your dwarves are particularly dumb, you might want to lever them anyways. The creator of this method ([[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]]) recommends using doors because they have no delay when triggered.)

'''Calculating Room Size'''

There are 576 (24²) floor tiles in the large room (L). The small room (S) must hold enough water to cover the large room, the small room, and the space occupied by the door(s) (D) in between with 1 unit of water. Each tile of the small room can hold 7 units of water, so:

S = (L + S + D) / 7

-or-

S = (L + D) / 6

577/6 = 96 1/6; rounding up, this gives 97. This is the number of floor tiles in the smaller room: a 9X10 room with 7 extra tiles. Be aware, however, that if you make your "large" room ''too'' large, some of the water from the "small" room will [[evaporate]] before reaching the other end, and you will not have enough [[water]] to coat the floor. This behavior was observed in a room of 42X35 tiles.

Now, get digging. The water supply connects to the smaller filling room by a 1-tile hole where a door or [[floodgate]] will go. The filling room connects to the growing room the same way, and the growing room needs a door too. Remember to have the [[door|doors]] in place before breaching the water source and flooding the water supply line!

When you do breach the water source, immediately forbid the first door your miner runs through (see, this is why we use doors), which should be the door closest to the water source. Don't bother forbidding the other two. Link all three doors to three separate [[lever|levers]] and test the system. Close the door between the filling chamber and main farm area and open the door that leads to the water source. When the filling chamber is full, close the door to the water source, close the door leading to the farm, and open the door between the [[farm]] and filling chamber. The water should spread out and coat the entire farm in a thin layer of water. At this time, plant your farms and begin the wait until they yield products.

=== Pond Irrigation ===

Dig a ramp down from a tunnel, preferably near a well or other water source, and dig a farm room next to the ramp on the lower level. Create a [[zone]] above the ramp, and make it a pond. Your dwarves will attempt to fill it with water carried in buckets. As they dump water in, it will muddy the farm room floor. After it has been sufficiently muddied, disable or remove the pond zone until you need to irrigate it again. Dwarves can build farm plots in 1 unit deep water.

Even though it works, this is probably the slowest way to irrigate a room since dwarves only carry 1 unit of water per trip. It's especially slow if you don't have more than one or two idle dwarves and buckets, or if the water source is far away. If you need to irrigate a larger area -- maybe even one as small as 2x3, depending on distance to the water source -- you will need to do it in pieces, filling one small pond area to avoid evaporation while your dwarves carry the water, then releasing it into the farming area. Really big areas will probably need a multi-stage construction on multiple levels or with pumps to avoid losing all your carried water -- note that closing a floodgate in a water-filled area destroys the water previously there. The method works great with constructed staircases for creating outdoor farm plots where there's an occasional stone in the ground, though.

NOTE: Digging a ramp or channel down from the surface will label the tile below as "Outside". This means that cave plants will not grow there.

=== Underground River Irrigation ===

Underground rivers are often what makes living in freezing climates possible, because they don't freeze over. Its very easy to tap one if you know what you're doing. Once you've located it, pick out a good spot for your farm room and dig it out. Make sure you're on the same level as the water; that is, where the actual water is located, not where the 'Open Space' is. Channel out one tile in the farm room and replace it with a floor hatch. Dig a narrow tunnel to the underground river and put a wall grate and a floodgate in it. Link the floodgate and hatch to seperate levers. Dig one level down and dig a drainage shaft from the tile below the hatch to the point where the river 'drops'; you'll see a 5x5 area of 'Open Space'. When your ready, dig a small tunnel and channel out the floor so you breach the river below and send it into your grate and floodgate. Open the floodgate to water your crops, close it when you're done and open the hatch to drain.

NOTE: The grate is necessary to filter out nasty creatures that might otherwise come in with the water.

An easier method is to find a location where the cave river falls for more than three z levels and simply build a screw pump to suck the falling water from midair.
<pre>
<- Empty room which will be used to farm.
##╬%╬## <- Screw pump with doors on each side to keep the water from possibly washing the pumping dwarf into the river.
###%###
##~~~## <-- Water is falling here.
# #
# #
# #
## ##
#######
</pre>

== Further Testing ==

The type of rock is changed (at least in v0.28.181.40d) - perhaps to that of the rock wall below? What if there is no rock wall below?

**it would seem this only affects the non-native stone of a layer, and changes it into the native stone, it definitely does not turn it into the rock type in the layer beneath if it is another non-native stone. (non-native means stone like orthoclase or microline)

[[Category:Agriculture]]

40d Talk:Irrigation

2009-09-01T18:11:30Z

3lB33: More clarification of growing outdoor seeds in Mountain Biomes

Irrigation is not always needed for farming. i have my plot inside on sandy clay loam and it works fine. But: would the harvest maybe be better/faster with water? will check out. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 14:20, 10 February 2008 (EST)
: Made a few changes to clarify.--[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 14:36, 10 February 2008 (EST)
:Irrigation is only needed to be able to farm on rock. Soil layers don't need irrigation before you can farm on them. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:04, 10 February 2008 (EST)
The current version says you can "effectively" water an area 7x the size of the reservoir, but that doesn't seem to take into account the water that remains in the reservoir once the floodgate's opened which can lead to spots getting missed and people who're anal about this sort of stuff getting annoyed - maybe a 6x/5x figure should be used instead so we can get a depth average of 1.4-ish? --[[User:Sorenson|Sorenson]] 11 March 2008 (EST)

The article indicates that "some natural ponds replenish themselves at the beginning of spring." My research indicates that this is the result of water thawing. Any amount of water (x/7) becomes ice during winter (assuming your climate is cold enough). When melting, it becomes 7/7 deep water. [[User:Ripheus|Ripheus]] 02:57, 6 April 2008 (EDT)

Consequently... after irrigating land, is the muddied land subject to evaporation post-planting?
[[User:Okita|Okita]] 03:28, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

I've tidied up the article a lot, and made it much more newbie friendly (thanks also to Brandonazz), but I'm still a bit of a newbie myself so if I've made any factual errors I apologise. Hopefully it should be a lot easier to follow for those new to the game. --[[User:Daxx|Daxx]] 17:55, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Is it possible to irrigate on constructed floors? I'm considering building a farm on top of a tower. [[User:Amenos42|Amenos42]] 00:12, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Does the irrigated land dry up eventually? [[User:Arvid|Arvid]] 17:24, 6 November 2008 (EST)

:If it does, it dries very, very slowly, over the course of years. Using 'dirt roads' can clean up the mud, however. Sadly, there does not seem to be any way to clean up your muddy engraved floors. --[[User:Navian|Navian]] 17:37, 6 November 2008 (EST)
:: Depends on the local temperature, how wet the area is, etc. I've had muddy fields dry out in a season. If there's at least 1/7 water (and it's not just muddy), and you want to get the water out, your best bet is a screw pump. --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 19:16, 6 November 2008 (EST)

I put in info about why plants won't grow in irrigated outdoor plots based on [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=6831.0 this message from Toady]. I suspect that the user who found that this was also true for 'greenhoused' tiles was probably trying it in a mountain biome, but I didn't verify that I could make it work in other biomes. --[[User:Threlicus|Threlicus]] 17:19, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
: I have been successfully running an outdoor, irrigated plot in a desert biome for quite some time now, but I never realized this "bug" before because I had never tried it before in a mountain biome. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 17:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:Regarding the confusion about growing seed in mountain biomes: [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=6831.0 Toady One said] that " if you settled in the mountains and there's a patch that's just grassless soil, it's probably a mountain biome square that doesn't accept any plant types." So as far as I can tell that means that the outdoor seeds '''will''' grow in mountain biomes, but just not on rocky tiles. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 18:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

==growth of [[Tower cap]]s ==
[[Tower cap]]s will grow on un-irrigated, underground soil just as much, as fast and as often as on irrigated soil - the catch is that you need a soil layer below the soil floor, just like for outdoor trees. Irrigating is only needed for stone. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 20:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

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== Square tilesets ==

These are all the character sets with square tiles, except for the character sets with 16×16 tiles. Those are listed [[List_of_user_character_sets#16.C3.9716_tilesets|below]]. Text in square tilesets (as opposed to tilesets with shorter width) is usually more difficult to read, but the map is not distorted.

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[[Image:df_anikki_2.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Anikki_square_8x8.png]]
|author=[[User:Anikki|Anikki]]
|dated=2008-7-27
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×200 native.
|comments=Based on the original IBM CGA Character set with a lot of tweaks. The characters remain as descriptive yet universal as possible. I chose the CGA set because it is in my opinion the square set with the best readability. This set is for those who like the basic ASCII look where every pixel has meaning or (multiple meanings). [http://www.anikki.com/share/df/Anikki_square_8x8.bmp Download the BMP]

There is also an upscaled [[#Anikki_2|16x16 version]] of this set available for fullscreen use below.
}}

[[Image:df_anikki_1.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Anikki_square_10x10.png]]
|author=[[User:Anikki|Anikki]]
|dated=2008-7-27
|size=10×10
|resolution=800×250 native.
|comments=Based primarily on Tocky and Plac1d's sets (which are brilliant). The characters remain as descriptive as possible with some tweaks to the font for better readability and some changes to symbols for more consistency. This set is for those who like the basic ASCII look where every pixel has meaning or (multiple meanings). [http://www.anikki.com/share/df/Anikki_square_10x10.bmp Download the BMP]
(Note: The up and down ramps are reversed.)
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Anikki_square_20x20.png]]
|author=[[User:Anikki|Anikki]]
|dated=2008-7-27
|size=20×20
|resolution=1600×500 native.
|comments=Based primarily on Tocky and Plac1d. This is a scaled up version of the 10x10 tileset for fullscreen use. [http://www.anikki.com/share/df/Anikki_square_20x20.bmp Download the BMP]
(Note: The up and down ramps are reversed.)
}}

=== Dorten ===

[[Image:Snap.PNG|thumb|right]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:720x225_SmoothWalls.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Dorten|Dorten]]
|dated=2009-2-13
|size=9×9
|resolution=720×225
|comments=It's improved Savok's tileset, which is changed to make walls look smooth. Plus another little differences.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:720x225_SmoothWalls7.png]]
|author=[[User:Dorten|Dorten]]
|dated=2009-2-13
|size=9×9
|resolution=720×225
|comments=Minor tweak so the 7's don't look like question marks.
}}

=== Hanuman ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:DB_curses_12x12.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Hanuman|Hanuman]]
|dated=2008-7-23
|size=12×12
|resolution=900×300
|comments=This is basically the curses_800x600.bmp file converted to 12x12. It may be slightly different but it is close enough for me. [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=318 Get the .BMP here.]
Note: If the tileset doesn't look right played at 900x300, try changing the resolution to 966x325.
}}

=== Haowan ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Haowan_Curses_1440x450.png]]
|author=Haowan
|dated=2007-11-2
|size=18×18
|resolution=1440×450
|comments=An enlarged version of a square version of the default set.
}}

=== Herrbdog ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Herrbdog_144.png]]
|author=Herrbdog
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=A larger version of this tileset is available [[#Herrbdog 2|below]].
}}

=== Lord Dullard ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Dullard_Exponent_12x12.png]]
|author=Lord Dullard/Exponent
|dated=2009-3-30
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300 native
|comments=Adjusted by Exponent, and with new dwarf characters added. A version of the Unknown 12×12 tileset with smoothed walls. Example: [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-5243-wiltedblight Wiltedblight].
}}

=== Lord Nightmare ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:CGA8x8thick.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×400
|comments=The original IBM CGA Character set, thick variant, dumped from addresses 0x1800-0x1fff the 5788005 IBM Character Generator ROM. This is the far more common 'thick' variant. Best viewed at 8:5 aspect ratio.
}}

[[Image:Nightmare_cga_8x8.jpg|thumb|right|Lord Nightmare's 8×8 CGA tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:CGA8x8thin.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2008-6-6
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×400
|comments=The original IBM CGA Character set, thin variant, dumped from addresses 0x1000-0x17ff the 5788005 IBM Character Generator ROM. This is the less common 'thin' variant, which required soldering on two pins and jumpering them on the CGA card to use. Best viewed at 8:5 aspect ratio.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:EGA8x8.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×400
|comments=The IBM EGA 8×8 Character set, dumped from the 6277356 IBM EGA BIOS ROM. This is ALMOST 100% IDENTICAL to the CGA thick font, but has minor modifications (23 pixels total) done to four characters: the capital 'S', the club sign, the spade sign, and the large asterisk (the one with a hole in the middle, char 0x0f, not the shift-8 one which is char 0x2a). There is no thin variant of this font. Best viewed at 8:5 aspect ratio.
}}

=== Maus ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Nostalgia_720x225.png]]
|author=[[User:Maus|maus]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=9×9
|resolution=720×225
|comments=Another square tileset that's usable on low resolutions, modeled after a common font used on the Nintendo Entertainment System. An 18x18 version for 1440x450 resolution is also [[:Image:Nostalgia_1440x450_3e4a08.png|available here]], and is really nice on a widescreen monitor. An NES palette is [[User:Maus|available here]].
}}

=== Markavian ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:mkv_solidcurses_stairs_960x300.png]]
|author=[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]
|dated=2007-12-4
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=This revision is designed to work with DF version 0.27.169.33a with special tiles for [[stair]]s and [[ramp]]s, as well as the changes present in the earlier version such as bones, walls, trees and swords. Available in [http://mkv25.net/showcase/df/mkv_curses%2012×12%20and%206x6%20v2.zip mkv curses 12×12 and 6x6 v2.zip]. As seen in the fortress of [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-1329-axegear Axegear].
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Mkv_solidcurses_960x300.png]]
|author=[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=An older revision of my square tileset, featuring more detailed symbols, with alterations to certain text characters to look more like ingame items. The walls are infilled now. 
Available in [http://mkv25.net/showcase/df/mkv_curses%2012×12%20and%206x6%20v2.zip mkv curses 12×12 and 6x6 v2.zip]. As seen in the fortress of [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-800-inflew. Inkflew].
}}

=== Paul ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Paul_10x10.png]]
|author=[[User:Paul|Paul]]
|dated=2008-9-5
|size=10×10
|resolution=800×250 for 80×25 grid size, others just multiply grid by 10.
|comments=Custom tileset I made for my own use when the adjustable grid sizes were released for DF. Some accented letters cut slightly to allow for larger letter display. Contains several of Tocky's tiles (barrels, some trees, dimple cups, coins, slightly modified armor stand). Others are either made by me or adjusted from curses_800x600 tiles.
}}

=== Savok ===

[[Image:Screenshot_41ea57.png|thumb|right|Savok's tiny, non-updated tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Curses_720x225_8d6752.png]]
|author=[[User:Savok|Savok]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=9×9
|resolution=720×225
|comments=There is no doubt that this tileset is old. This must be distinctly understood if anything wonderful is to come of your use of it. You may like [[List_of_user_character_sets#Dorten|Dorten's revision]] more. The following is the original description: I dislike curses_640x300.bmp due to its lack of any kind of graphics for things like a bed or a barrel and the fact that it distorts my beautiful circles, so I made a similarish tileset to fix those.
}}

=== Sir Henry ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:Sir_Henry%27s_32x32.png|Not shown due to size]]
|author=Sir Henry
|dated=2009-9-19
|size=32×32
|resolution=2560×800
|comments=Recently I learned of a monitor displaying 2560 pixels horizontally, and I decided it needed a tileset to put to use. Taking the tileset I use (Kelora 16x16 diagonal) and doubling it, I was able to get a decent tileset. Smoothing the edges, and redoing some glyphs to get a better look (or just messing up some to bad to fix), I was able to achieve this.
}}

===Teeto_K===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Teeto_K_18x18.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Teeto_K|Teeto_K]]
|dated=2008-10-24
|size=18×18
|resolution=1440×450
|comments=A tileset based on [[:Image:Nostalgia_1440x450_3e4a08.png|Maus's 18x18 version of his "Nostalgia" tileset]], however, it has been heavily revised. The entire font has been "smoothed over", and many of the symbols changed to more "graphical" representations of the items they represent. An attempt to fill the void of "graphic heavy" tilesets in the 18x18 tile-size. A special emphasis is placed on maximizing the text's readability, while still providing a "graphics enhanced" play area. Special thanks to Maus for the font, and Guybrush for the inspiration.
}}

=== Terbert ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Terbert_10x10.png]]
|author=[[User:Terbert|Terbert]]
|dated=2009-6-30
|size=10×10
|resolution=800×250
|comments=This is Terbert's First tileset
}}

=== Tocky ===

[[Image:Df_tock10_1.PNG|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tocky_square_10x10.png]]
|author=[[User:Tocky|Tocky]]
|dated=2007-11-15
|size=10×10
|resolution=800×250 native, 800×500 for fullscreen.
|comments=I tried to make all the pictographic symbols as descriptive as possible: the only ones I've spotted that show up in odd places are the staircase symbols, '<' and '>', which are used as tags on barrel descriptions, and don't match -- but I'm willing to live with that in order to be able to tell up-stairs from down- ones. With everything else, I just tried to maximize clarity and readability and to keep them consistent. I'm really very pleased with how this set turned out.
}}

=== Turnip ===

[[Image:Rev7.PNG|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Markvii.png]]
|author=[[User:Turnip|Turnip]]
|dated=2009-7-9
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=My revision of Markavian's tileset, made to be more "curvy"
}}

=== Unknown ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tileset_unknown_960x300_02.png]]
|author=Unknown
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=This is a tileset submitted by an unknown user from the IP address 86.43.81.125. 
}}

[[Image:Unknown_12x12.jpg|thumb|right|Unknown 12×12 v2]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Unknown_curses_12x12.png]]
|author=Unknown
|dated=2007-11-24
|size=12×12
|resolution=960×300
|comments=This is very similar to the above tileset, but has some noticeable differences. I have no idea where I got it from. It's great on a 1024x768 CRT monitor in windowed mode. I use it in a 1000x500 window with [BLACKSPACE:YES]. --[[User:JT|JT]]
}}

=== Xenomorph ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Acorntileset8x8.png]]
|author=[[User:Xenomorph|Xenomorph]]
|dated=2008-8-9
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×200
|comments=This is the tileset used by Acorn computers, starting with the BBC Micro. This version is as it would have appeared in 40-column modes (and shuffled a little to adapt it to CP437). It also looks nice at double resolution. [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=407 Download the BMP.]
}}

=== Yayo ===

[[Image:yayo_c64_640x200_screenshot.png|thumb|right|yayo's c64 Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:yayo_c64_640x200.png]]
|author=[[User:Yayo|Yayo]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×200
|comments=Name: Yayo's C64; Based on the charset of the commodore 64. It's a flat style, but it's clean and also highly readable. I recreated all the missing chars like letters with accents and symbols, trying to get a c64 style as much as possible. If it's too small, use the 16×16 version [[#Yayo_2|below]]. :)
}}

[[Image:yayo_tunur_1040x325_screenshot.png|thumb|right|yayo's Tunur Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:yayo_tunur_1040x325.png]]
|author=[[User:Yayo|Yayo]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=13×13
|resolution=1040×325
|comments=Name: Yayo's Tunur; According to the language files of DF, Tunur means "style" in dwarf language. It may require a bit to get used to some symbols, but it's a very clean tileset. (It's just a bit weird. :P)
}}

=== Zaratustra ===

[[Image:Zara_8x8.jpg|thumb|right|Zaratustra's 8×8 tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_msx.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×8
|resolution=640×200 or 640×400
|comments= The MSX and MSX2 font, shuffled around to fit the char set. Double lines were added.
}}

== 16×16 tilesets ==

The 16×16 tilesets are a subset of square character sets. 16×16 is a frequently used size, as shown by the number of tilesets in this section. This is probably because all of the best creature graphics sets use 16×16 tiles. Those alternate sets for creatures can be found at [[graphics sets]]. '''If your screen is too small for these, turn on BLACK_SPACE!'''

=== Aesomatica ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Aesomatica_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Aesomatica|Aesomatica]]
|dated=2008-11-29
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400 native.
|comments=Tileset intended to build upon [[User:Sphr|Sphr's]] and [[User:Jackard|Jackard's]] work, as well as others. Some tiles are original, some are variants and most are copied from various sets the author found pleasing. Notable originals include the broken bolt/ashes tiles, the ballista heads/large hills, the small hills, the ore (gear animation is pleasing, though axle animation is unimproved), ground tiles, and vermin. Also, bins look decent and up/down stairs look okay. This set looks its best with Sphr's graphics.
}}

=== Anikki ===

[[Image:df_anikki_2.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Anikki_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Anikki|Anikki]]
|dated=2008-7-27
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400 native.
|comments=Based on the original IBM CGA Character set with a lot of tweaks. The characters remain as descriptive yet universal as possible. I chose the CGA set because it is in my opinion the suqare set with the best readability. This set is for those who like the basic ASCII look where every pixel has meaning or (multiple meanings). This is a scaled up version for fullscreen use. [http://www.anikki.com/share/df/Anikki_square_16x16.bmp Download the BMP]
}}

=== Belal ===

[[Image:Belal_Example.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Belal_Smooth_Walls.png]]
|author=[[User:Belal|Belal]]
|dated=2009-1-9
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400 native.
|comments=Based on the Mike Mayday tileset and using angled smoothed walls as in [[User:Dorten|Dorten's]] Tileset. I like the look of the walls for doing near circular or honeycomb layouts. [http://mkv25.net/dfma/poi-9935-seethewallshere Example Fort]
}}

=== Cooz ===

[[Image:Cooz_Tileset_Screenshot.png|thumb|right|Cooz's Tileset]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Cooz_curses_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Cooz|Cooz]]
|dated=2009-2-28
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400 native.
|comments=v1.1 - 3px wide walls and some other tweaks. Based on Klokjammer and Marble Dice tilesets. Some tiles were taken from other sets, some were made from scratch. The aim was to keep feel of default curses font in 16×16 tileset. There's also [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Image:Cooz_curses_square_flat_16x16.png version without shading].
}}

=== Flying Mage ===

{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:Flying_Mage_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Flying Mage|Flying Mage]]
|dated=2008-4-12
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A 16×16 tileset based on several other tilesets by various authors. I did some changes because I like some things in different ways, but the base for tileset was made by another users and for this I thankful. List of major and minor changes you can see below. And I hope you'll enjoy this. There is some tiles I really proud of :) 
*[[:Image:Flying_Mage_square_16x16_Major_Changes.png|Major changes]] 
*[[:Image:Flying_Mage_square_16x16_Minor_Changes.png|Minor changes]]
*[[:Image:Flying_Mage_square_16x16_Stone_Type.png|Some ''rough/smoothed/engraved stone'' improvement]]
}}

=== Dwarfletter ===

[[Image:Dwarfletter1.png|thumb|right|Dwarfletter - Stockile]]


{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:DwarfletterGothic.PNG]]
|author=LordZorinthrox
|dated=2009-7-20
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=[[http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=1205|Download here]] 
;see also
:[[:File:Dwarfletter2.png|Status screen - Font]]
:[[:File:Dwarfletter3.png|Foliage]]
:[[:File:Dwarfletter4.png|Ballista]]
}}

=== Guybrush ===

[[Image:GuybrushScreenshot1.PNG|thumb|right|Guybrush Tileset]]
[[Image:GuybrushScreenshot2.PNG|thumb|right|the wilderness...]]

{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:Guybrush_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]]
|dated=2007-11-15
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A 16×16 tileset based on the very nice Herrbdog's one, and for use with the superb [[Graphics_sets#Dystopian_Rhetoric|Dystopian Rhetoric objects]]. A slightly modified version of Herrbdog's tileset is available below if you want to keep the original ASCII symbols for some objects (just do some cut & paste). It's just a little brighter and with some very slight changes. The tileset shown is a tileset with graphic objects added, for use with Fortress Mode.

I recommend to have a look at the [[color schemes|color schemes page]] to find your favorite color settings. The color scheme I used for the screenshots is [[Color_Schemes#.28Yet.29_Another_scheme|this one]].}}

{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:GuybrushASCII_curses_square_16x16.png]]
|author=Herrbdog, modified by [[User:Guybrush|Guybrush]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Here is the slightly modified version of Herrbdog's tileset which still has all the ASCII characters intact
}}

=== Herrbdog ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Herrbdog_16x16_tileset.gif]]
|author=Herrbdog
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=The 16×16 version of Herrbdog's tileset. Further discussion of herrbdog's tilesets is available in the Bay 12 forums:
http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=000832
}}

=== Inquisitor Saturn ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:MRC_square_16x16.png]]
|author=Inquisitor Saturn
|dated=2008-5-18
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Another 16 by 16 tileset. This one is notable because of the subtle shadowing and a completely original, hand-made font.
}}

=== Isenhertz ===

[[Image:isenhertz_v2_screenshot.png|thumb|right|Isenhertz's tileset in action.]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:16x16_isenhertz_v2.png]]
|author=[[User:Isenhertz|Isenhertz]]
|dated=2008-7-14
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Impressed with the genius of using sprites as tiles, I cobbled together this tileset of my own. It uses Super Foul Egg's superb font as a base, with several sprites also found in other users' sets. Because a lot of letters are used for graphics, I suggest that you [[User:Jackard|remove accented letters from names]] with this set. I also suggest you shift some items to other icons, such as the coniferous trees (change Pine, Cedar, Larch from 024 to 147), the turtle (change 15 to 151), and Quarry Bush leaves (change from 006 to 003).
V2 now with new graphics for walls and liquids, as well as some other tweaks here and there and a first attempt at using dual-color sprites using a cyan base instead of simple greyscale. (Right now implemented for beds, wood and statues.)
V1 can still be found [[:Image:16x16_isenhertz_v1.png|here]].
}}

=== Kaishaku ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kai-1280x400-v2 7512b5.png]]
|author=Kaishaku
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A square 1280×400 font. Simple and legible. Converted from roarl's 16×16 nethack font, on top of super foul egg's template, extended manually and with ideas from lucida console. This is version 1, created in one morning. Screenshots available [http://kaishaku.org/dwarfort here].
}}

=== Kelora ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kelora_16x16_diagonal.png]]
|author=[[User:Kelora|Kelora]]
|dated=2009-7-26
|size=16×16
|resolution=
|comments=A square tileset using the diagonal wall concept from Belal and others but simplified drastically to improve the appearance. All the walls line up correctly and have consistent widths.
I did not use much of the pretty but confusing art I see in many of the other sets. I tried for a while to incorporate many of these but found that with the multiple uses for most characters they were just wrong far too often to be useful. The only ones that seem to work are the dwarves which I took from Flying Mage / Guybrush. The pretty 3Dish fonts as well just seem to look muddier and be less legible. I love it and my husband has been happily playing it for months.
}}

=== Klokjammer ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kjammer square 16x16 v02.png]]
|author=[[User:Klokjammer|Klokjammer]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Name: ''"Masked Adventurer"'' - after tile (0,4), where '@' used to be. A somewhat abstract version of the original curses square tileset, but with the alpha numeric characters shaped so as not to look distorted. Other symbols are either borrowed from or improved from curses, and some (including the dwarves) were created from the ground up. Alternate variations, are available [[User:Klokjammer#My Tilesets|here]].
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kjammer square 16x16 v00.png]]
|author=[[User:Klokjammer|Klokjammer]]
|dated=2007-10-31
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A "clean" version of the above set, one without any fancy tiles (except for the dwarves).
}}

=== Marble Dice ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Md_curses_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Marble Dice|Marble Dice]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=This tileset attempts to modify the size and aspect ratio of the classic 8x12 terminal/curses font employed by many rougelikes without sacrificing the distinctive character.
}}

=== Martin ===

[[Image:Martin_16x16_sample.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Martin_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Martin|Martin]]
|dated=2009-8-8
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=This is a 16x16 tileset based on Redjack and Flying Mage sets (and possible tiles taken from others that I've since lost track of - apologies). Some tiles are original or have been tweaked, mainly to provide a much more subtle background than most. A completely new character set is used to improve legibility, tweaked and anti-aliased for dark backgrounds.

[http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=1316 Download]
[http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-6239-lashedwines Demo fortress at DFMA]
}}

=== Nordic Curses ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:DF-Nordic_v1.png]]
|author=[[User:Techhead|Techhead]]
|dated=2009-3-26
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=My first attempt at a unique curses-style tileset with a Nordic Theme. Some characters have been altered.
}}

=== PTTG ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:PTTGV2tiles.png]]
|author=[[User:PTTG|PTTG]]
|dated=2007-11-21
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A new version! Clean, sharp, and clear. All-original, and large size for big screens! Also features coloured indicators for levers, helping to remove the guesswork. It is good stand-alone, or with my [[List of user graphics sets#PTTG|graphics set]].
}}

=== Random832 ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Msgothic.png]]
|author=[[User:Random832]]
|dated=2009-4-22
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×800 etc
|comments=Based on the ＭＳゴシック (MS Gothic) japanese font, with some gaps filled in from the VGA 8x16 font, and some other characters tweaked by hand.
}}

===Red Jack===
{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:Redjack17.png]]
|author=[[User:Jackard|Jackard]]
|dated=2008-7-22
|size=16x16
|resolution=1280x400
|comments=This combines content from other tilesets with Nintendo sprites to give the game a classic dungeon look. ''Note: Bins are hard to see using this tileset because the "bin" tile is also used as the "up/down staircase" tile. [[Tileset_repository#Aesomatica |Aesomatica]] and [[Tileset_repository#Martin|Martin]] improve upon this tileset making the bin tile easier to see.''

[http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7 You may download all variations of this tileset here.]}}

=== Sappho ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Sapphos_square_16x16.png]]
|author=Sappho
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Another square font, target resolution 1280×400. This one is exactly the same as the default font except it has been made square, painstakingly edited to ensure that nothing looks squished.
}}

=== Savok ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Savok_curses_1280x400_517caa.png]]
|author=[[User:Savok|Savok]]
|dated=2008-6-16
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Unsatisfied with any existing tileset, I decided to go about creating my own. Since I can't create from scratch, I had to take tiles from other tilesets and modify them, in an evolution-like manner, until they became how I wanted them. Since most are dramatically different from the tileset I took them from, I believe I can call them original. In the raws, change the tag [TILE:'U'] for humans to [TILE:172]. This changes both the image and corpse of humans to a unique image, which creature graphics cannot do. The elves also get a different tile, [TILE:171]. I plan to make a separate goblin symbol. If you use it and like it, please leave a message for at [[User talk:Savok|my talk page]] or at [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=201 the DFFD page]. This will greatly speed progress, since I won't be doing it just for myself. Note: The [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=201 DFFD version] is updated more frequently and has the changelist.
}}

=== SL ===

{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:SL_square_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:SL]]
|dated=2008-8-3
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=(Requires a download, not just the image) Art based on Flying Mage's, Guybrush's, and previous tilesets in that lineage. Uses ModBase to relocate relocatable art and de-accentify certain accented letters to reduce graphical bizarreness while still improving some art. [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=22154.0 Forum Thread] [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=370 Download] [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-3203-flamespear Demo Fortress Map on the DFMA]
}}

=== Spreggo ===

[[Image:Autonomous_Font_example.png|thumb|right|The Autonomous Font in action.]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Autonomous_Font.png]]
|author=Spreggo
|dated=2009-2-2
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Started off inspired by Belal's diagonal support, and ended up doing almost every tile from scratch. Added different tiles for each type of stone, and new ones for ore, but the matgloss files need to be edited for that functionality(see image details).
}}

=== Super Foul Egg ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:SFE_Curses_square_16x16.png]]
|author=Super Foul Egg
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=The font is rough as hell and some of the characters still need attention, but it'll do for now. Since this tileset is for graphics mode I'd rather wait for more complete object support than hack in pictures and gum up the UI. Uppercase from [http://www.zee-3.com/pickfordbros/archive/bitmapfonts.php this site]
}}

=== Tahin ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tahin_16x16_rounded.png]]
|author=[[User:Tahin|Tahin]]
|dated=2007-12-28
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Based on Marble Dice's tileset, above. Smoothed corners are "rounded", which takes some getting used to but look quite nice, in my opinion. I have managed to get all of the standard "L" tiles to fit together nicely, but "T" and "+" don't quite match up. It's not a problem that comes up often, and it still doesn't look that bad, but I'll get to it eventually.
}}

=== The-Moon ===

[[Image:SS_moons_square_16x16.PNG|thumb|right]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Moons_square_16x16.PNG]]
|author=[[User:The-Moon|The-Moon]]
|dated=2008-3-24
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Edited Character set of [[User:mikemayday|mikemayday]] and [[User:Jackard|Jackard]]}}

=== Tigrex ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:tigrex3d.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Tigrex|Tigrex]]
|dated=2009-2-22
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=This is my tileset, modified from Dorten's 2d diagonal wall set. It incorporates many original creations of mine, and I hope you like it.}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:tigrex3drunes.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Tigrex|Tigrex]]
|dated=2009-4-10
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=This is a modification of the above, that takes advantage of Norse runes for a more authentic Dwarven experience. CAUTION! This tileset has little practical value, and may induce myopia, blindness, or death.}}

=== Tim's ===

[[Image:example_tims.png|thumb|right]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tims_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Timmeh|Timmeh]]
|dated=2009-8-12
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=A tileset using heavily modified versions of the diagonal walls from Belal's set, a modified version of the floor from Spreggo's set, most of the furniture and objects are from Flying Mage's set, and some various other bits and pieces from other sets. Replaces the black box that normally surrounds the walls with a copy of the floor tile. [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-5740-foresthold Example Fort]
}}

=== Tyrving ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Tyr_1280x400.PNG]]
|author=[[User:Tyrving|Tyrving]]
|dated=2008-2-15
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=None of the existing modifications of curses_square satisfied me, so I made my own. The bulk of it is from Klokjammer's set, with the dwarf symbols and @ taken from Sappho's. Quite a few minor alterations have been made, and I feel that it's become distinct enough to release it.
}}

=== Winterwing ===

[[Image:Winterwing_Dfort-tiles-lucon.png|thumb|right|Lucida Console with Dystopian Rhetoric objects]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Winterwing_Curses_16x16_lucon.png]]
|author=[[User:Winterwing|Winterwing]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Like usual, lucida console with cleartype. Creative, huh. :)
}}

=== Yayo ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Yayo_c64_1280x400_83b157.png]]
|author=[[User:Yayo|Yayo]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Name: Yayo's C64; The 16×16 version of Yayo's tileset.
}}

=== Zaratustra ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_16x16.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-11-10
|size=16×16
|resolution=1280×400
|comments=Because everyone is making one.
}}

== Non-square tilesets ==

These tilesets are not square. Text in non-square tilesets often looks much better and is often much easier to read than in square tilesets, but the map is distorted.

=== CKY ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[File:Curses_800x600_shade.png]]
|author=[[User:Chinkeeyong|Chinkeeyong]]
|dated=2009-6-11
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×600
|comments=Partially inspired by Eagle of Fire's tiles, below. Essentially, this is the default tileset with a little bevel-style shading around the edges to make it look neater. Also, I fixed the accented 'e' tails to look closer to the standard 'e'.
}}

=== Eagle of Fire ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:eofshaded800x600pb9_f64ded.png]]
|author=[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×600
|comments=Designed for fullscreen. Inspired by Herrbdog's tileset, I created a shaded tileset targeting the default fullscreen 800x600 resolution. Basicaly, you have the exact same "curses" default tileset but with some shading done to the lower right of each letters and items. I've left alone everything which was related to mining or was meant to be plain, for example the smoothered tiles and the plain tiles in the demo. The reason behind that is that I didn't find much logic to have those graphics shaded as they could possibly connect on any direction on the screen, which would make the shading a little strange. Please note that this tileset is only a "beta". I might work on it again if there is enough people who like it and would like improvements. You can discuss the matter [http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=11&t=000645 here].
}}

=== Inquisitor Saturn ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:MRC_1280x600.png]]
|author=[[User:InquisitorSaturn|Inquisitor Saturn]]
|dated=2008-2-28
|size=16×24
|resolution=1280×600
|comments=Designed for a double-sized window mode. Based on the default set, but more detailed and with a few custom characters. Good for those who want larger characters but enjoy the aesthetics of the default set.
}}

=== Kein ===

[[Image:Kein-curs.gif|thumb|right|Kein's Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kein_640x300.png]]
|author=Kein
|dated=2008-8-9
|size=8×12
|resolution=640×300
|comments=Updated 08/09/09. Updated most characters, the biggest change is the 3d style walls. If you use my set I'd highly recommend [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/List_of_user_graphics_sets#Plac1d Plac1d's character graphic set.] My 640×300, everything completely shaded.
}}

=== Lord Nightmare ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:MDA8x14.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×14
|resolution=640×350
|comments=The original IBM MDA character set, dumped from addresses 0x0000-0x0fff the 5788005 IBM Character Generator ROM. This font is as would be displayed on an EGA/VGA with the 9-pixel-width mode disabled. Best for a 64:35 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 640x480. The MDA card did not actually support displaying the font in 8x14, but ONLY 9x14 mode, see below. Theoretically, you CAN upload this font into EGA video memory though and use it.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:MDA9x14.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=9×14
|resolution=720×350
|comments=The original IBM MDA character set, dumped from addresses 0x0000-0x0fff the 5788005 IBM Character Generator ROM. This font is as would be displayed on a real MDA card (use a black/dkgreen/ltgreen palette for full monochrome effect) or on an EGA/VGA card with the 9-pixel-width mode enabled. Best for a 72:35 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 720x480.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:EGA8x14.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×14
|resolution=640×350
|comments=The IBM EGA character set, dumped from the 6277356 IBM EGA BIOS ROM. This font is as would be displayed on an EGA/VGA with the 9-pixel-width mode disabled. Best for a 64:35 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 640x480. This font is different from the MDA version in that many characters are slightly narrower to avoid 'running into' each other, and many characters have been shifted slightly to the left.
Thanks to Zaratustra for poking me into getting this done, and for related help.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:EGA9x14.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=9×14
|resolution=720×350
|comments=The IBM EGA character set, dumped from the 6277356 IBM EGA BIOS ROM. This font is as would be displayed on an EGA/VGA with the 9-pixel-width mode enabled. Best for a 72:35 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 640x480. This font is actually different from the 8x14 version in that 20 characters have been replaced with the original MDA wide versions. These 'extra' wide characters are sandwiched in between the end of the 8x14 and beginning of the 8×8 font in the EGA BIOS ROM. The changed characters, in ASCII order, are: arrow-left-and-right, '"', '+', '-', 'M', 'T', 'V', 'W', 'X', 'Y', 'Z', 'm', 'v', 'w', 'ae', cent sign, yen, peseta, plus-minus, and division sign. Other than these characters, all characters are the same, with rightmost-row duplicated on the C and D rows like the MDA (though I don't actually know if this is technically correct).
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:VGA8x16.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/IBM?
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×16
|resolution=640×400
|comments=The original? IBM VGA 8x16 character set, (from http://madscientistroom.org/fpga/default-8x16-bram.html) as would be displayed on a VGA card with the 9-pixel-width disabled. Best for an 8:5 aspect ratio. The required resolution is strange, so run fullscreen with BLACK_SPACE:YES and resolution at 640x480. This rom has not yet been dumped from a real VGA card, and is coming from a secondary source, so it may be replaced later if I find the real font is different.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord_Nightmare-Fixedsys-02.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/Microsoft
|dated=2007-12-20
|size=8×15
|resolution=640×375
|comments=v2.2 - (v1.0 is [[:Image:Lord_Nightmare-Fixedsys.png|here]]) - Based on Microsoft's Fixedsys font (which dates back to Windows 1.0!), Many glyphs needed redoing by hand since they were absent from the font, since it is an 'ansi' character set and not a code-page 437 one like DF expects. v2.0 Based on Microsoft's Fixedsys font. Updated new glyphs to be more consistent with the Fixedsys style. - v2.1 - update a few more glyphs, namely the integral, the infinity symbol, and the spade, and a few others I'm forgetting. - v2.2 - update the club and spade, and the music notes - v2.3 - fix the fact that 0xF9 and 0xFA were inadvertently swapped.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord_Nightmare-Fixedsys-03.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/Microsoft
|dated=2007-12-20
|size=8×16
|resolution=640×400
|comments=v3.0 - changed font size to 8x16, altered glyphs to respect this. - v3.1 - fix the fact that 0xF9 and 0xFA were inadvertently swapped.
}}

[[Image:Lord_Nightmare_Freehand_screenshot_2b7d67.png|thumb|right|Freehand screenie... ooh, neat! Unreadable.]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord_Nightmare_Freehand_10x16.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare
|dated=2007-12-23
|size=10×16
|resolution=800×400
|comments=v1.0 - A character set drawn entirely in freehand on the tablet PC... with MINIMAL EDITING! Yes, its SUPPOSED to look like that. v1.1 - fixed character 0x02 background (filled smiley), filled in the card suits, minor touch up to the comma, fix black instead of magenta on the greyscale blocks and other tweaks to them, redrew the square block (was 'too clean' before) v1.1a - fixed spade by adding 1 pixel at tip so it doesn't look like another club
}}

[[Image:Lord_Nightmare_Freehand_screenshot_2_05c04b.png|thumb|right|Freehand^2 screenie... ooh, neat! Readable. But ugly.]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord_Nightmare_Freehand^2_10x16.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare
|dated=2008-3-28
|size=10×16
|resolution=800×400
|comments=Freehand^2, v1.2 - A heavily edited version of Freehand, now hopefully less unreadable. V1.2 is the current version, see the image link changelog/older versions.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Vintl01.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/Victor-Sirius
|dated=2007-12-19
|size=10×16
|resolution=800×400
|comments=The Victor 9000/Sirius 1 computer character set, extracted from vintl01.chr.
}}

=== Lumin ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:Lumin_Graphical_1280x800.png|Not shown due to size]]
|author=Lumin
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=16×32
|resolution=1280×800
|comments=Ideas used from several others on this page. I've also added more detail and color to some objects.
}}

=== Plac1d ===

[[Image:Plac1d_640x300EZ_1.png|thumb|right|Plac1d's Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Plac1d_640x300tileset.png]]
|author=[[User:Plac1d|Plac1d]]
|dated=2008-3-13
|size=8×12
|resolution=640×300
|comments=A tweaked version of [[#Tocky|Tocky's 10×10 tileset]] converted to 8×12. Try using this with my [[List of user graphics sets#Plac1d|graphics set]]!

[http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=63 Download the .BMP]
}}

=== Quietust ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:VGA9x16.png]]
|author=Quietust/IBM?
|dated=2009-7-24
|size=9×16
|resolution=720×400
|comments=The original? IBM VGA 9x16 character set, as would be displayed on a VGA card with the 9-pixel-width enabled.
}}

=== Sergius ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Sleroux_800x300.png]]
|author=Sergius
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×300
|comments=Mostly vanilla tileset, dwarves have graphic from intro [[Utilities#CMVPlayer|Movie]], with some tweaks (for soldiers). I find it helpful for playing (instead of happy faces).
}}

=== Shaja ===

[[Image:Shaja_10-27-09.png|thumb|right|TerminusAliased text]]
[[Image:Shaja_10-13-09.png|thumbnail|right|Terminus24 text]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:TerminusAliased_handedit_gal.png|Not shown due to size]]
|author=[[User:Shaja|Shaja]]
|dated=2008-3-27
|size=20×32
|resolution=1600×800
|comments=Alphanumerics based on Dimitar Zhekov's [http://www.is-vn.bg/hamster/jimmy-en.html Terminus] font with light antialias shading added, walls and some symbols redrawn, others carried over from Thom's 20x32 tileset.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:Terminus24.png|Not shown due to size]]
|author=[[User:Shaja|Shaja]]
|dated=2008-5-19
|size=24×32
|resolution=1920×800
|comments=Revised version of my earlier Terminus 20x32 character set for 1920x800 display.
}}

=== Taritus ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Curses 640x300diag.png]]
|author=Taritus
|dated=2009-03-23
|size=8×12
|resolution=640×300
|comments=Yuppers. I requested it a long time ago when everyone else was requesting different sized square tilesets with diagonal walls, and nobody ever fulfilled the request. I decided, "Oh, it's not like I have some menial and huge English project that's due tomorrow to work on, I'm going to make that." And I did.--[[User:Taritus|Taritus]] 20:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
}}

=== Thom ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[:Image:Curses_24pt_cleartype_ThomModifications.PNG|Not shown due to size]]
|author=Herrbdog
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=20×24
|resolution=1600×800
|comments=Hi res won't slow the game as it doesn't use graphics, so if your monitor can display it, go for it, really... I strongly recommend to enable blackspace in the init: [BLACK_SPACE:YES] Made from the 24pts cleartype lucida console above (from winterwing). I added some stuff (some original, some ideas taken from others tilesets). Basically I try to avoid symbols that are often seen in menus, etc. The main "problem" is the bag, because its the male symbol, but it was too good looking to not put it ;) Hope you enjoy :) . . .Note: Winterwing's tileset is now lost. --[[User:Savok|Savok]]
}}

=== UncleSporky ===

[[Image:UncleSporky_DFTiles1.png|thumb|right|UncleSporky Tileset]]
[[Image:UncleSporky_DFTiles2.png|thumb|right|UncleSporky Tileset]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:UncleSporky_curses_800x600.png]]
|author=UncleSporky
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×300
|comments=
}}

=== Xenomorph ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Acorntileset.png]]
|author=[[User:Xenomorph|Xenomorph]]
|dated=2008-8-9
|size=8×16
|resolution=640×400
|comments=This is the tileset used by Acorn computers, starting with the BBC Micro. This version is as it would have appeared in 80-column modes (albeit adapted to CP437). [http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=408 Download the BMP.]
}}

=== Zaratustra ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_megazeux2.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=8×14
|resolution=640×350
|comments=EGA font with added Megazeux modifications.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Zaratustra_custom800x300ca3.png]]
|author=[[User:Zaratustra|Zaratustra]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=10×12
|resolution=800×300, 800×600 (non-reccomended)
|comments=Has an appropriate [http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Object_Tilesets#10x12_version object tileset for v0.23.130.23a (now outdated)].
}}

== Tiny tilesets ==

Sets smaller than 8×8. Used for playing in tiny windows, large grids, display massive maps and perhaps videos.

=== Herrbdog ===

[[Image:Herrbdog_7x7.jpg|thumb|right|herrbdog's 7x7 tileset]]
{{Tileset|
image=[[Image:Herrbdog_7x7_tileset.gif]]
|author=[[User:herrbdog|herrbdog]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=7×7
|resolution=560×175
|comments=
}}

=== Kein ===

[[Image:Kein_400x125.gif|thumb|right|Kein's 5x5]]

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Kein_400x125.png]]
|author=[[User:Kein|Kein]]
|dated=2008-8-7
|size=5×5
|resolution=400×125
|comments=A large 257x257 DFMA world gen map can be found [http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-3278-5x5largeworldmap here.]Updated 08/06/08. Changed most text characters as well as some others to 4x4 with blackspace to avoid tiling. Most characters have been revised to be spaced out to be more distinguishable in such a small set. After seeing the dev update earlier today about increasing your view size I decided to create this small font. This has been built completely from scratch, mostly while at work today. I may be making a shaded version in the future. The first image to the right is from the Abeyverse succession game.
}}

=== Lord Nightmare ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord Nightmare 6x6font01.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare
|dated=2007-11-5
|size=6×6
|resolution=480×150
|comments=Made in 5 hours on 11/5/07 (I was bored and dissatisfied with other fonts). Most glyphs are really 5×6, with a seperator column.
}}

[[Image:Nightmare_6x6_v2.jpg|thumb|right|Lord Nightmare's 6x6 v2]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord Nightmare 6x6font02.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare
|dated=2007-11-12
|size=6×6
|resolution=480×150
|comments=Version 2.05. Updated 11/12/07 to de-fuzz uppercase letters, added serifs and clarified lowercase letters, made horizontal spacing consistent throughout character set, fixed one error in the double horizontal-left-right, single-vertical-up-down character, made exclamation points consistent, thinned out question mark and inverse question mark, sharpened sideways stemless arrows, clarified international characters, and clarified some greek letters. Since v2.0: fixed 'i' 'g', fixed Yen symbol, fixed smiley 0x01 to not have an extra line to its right, lowered the period and colon characters, fixed position of 'x'. Thanks to Markavian for ideas on how to improve the font, as well as an occasional character glyph.
}}

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Lord-Nightmare-Terminal-4x6.png]]
|author=Lord Nightmare/Microsoft
|dated=2008-1-27
|size=4×6
|resolution=320×150
|comments=A DF conversion of the 4x6 variant of Microsoft's 'Terminal' Font. Note that I have left the font entirely alone other than converting it, so several glyphs are indistinguishable from one another!
}}

=== Markavian ===

{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Mkv_curses_480x150.png]]
|author=[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=6×6
|resolution=480×150
|comments=The first version the tiny tileset, superceded by the version below.
}}

[[Image:mark_6x6_v2.jpg|thumb|right|Markavian's 6x6 v2]]
{{Tileset|
|image=[[Image:Mkv_curses_480x150_v2.png]]
|author=[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]
|dated=2007-10-30
|size=6×6
|resolution=480×150
|comments=My second version of the tiny tileset, for uber small resolution DF, with improved visibility of several symbols.
Available in [http://mkv25.net/showcase/df/mkv_curses%2012x12%20and%206x6%20v2.zip mkv curses 12×12 and 6×6 v2.zip].
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=== Terbert ===

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=== Zaratustra ===

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[[Image:Zara_5x6.jpg|thumb|right|Zaratustra's 5x6]]

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40d:Irrigation

2009-08-28T18:13:34Z

3lB33: /* Wave Irrigation */ removing a first-person reference.

'''Irrigation''' is the process of making rocky ground suitable for [[farming]]. This is done by [[flood]]ing it with [[water]]; when the water evaporates, the tiles are labeled as "muddy". This is also called '''muddying''' the floor, as the dry floor tile is then a "muddy <type of stone> floor". Inside [[cave]]s, [[rock]] cavern floor tiles that are covered with water instantly become muddy tiles, which you can then build [[farm plot]]s on.

There are several methods for getting the water onto (and then off of) the floor tiles. Dwarf Fortress uses reasonably-realistic water dynamics, including measures of [[water depth]]. A depth of 7 is full, depths of 1 will evaporate, leaving the stone wet and thus suitable for farming. Your goal in irrigation is to get a section of ground to be 1/7s, so it will evaporate to muddy. Usually it can't be avoided that part of the section will be flooded with higher levels, but water will disperse and eventually evaporate. If the water level gets too high it will no longer evaporate.

[[Smooth]]ed floors that are muddied will remain smooth, however if/when [[shrub]]s or [[tower cap]]s grow, that tile will then revert to a rough stone floor tile. Constructed floors that have been muddied will not prevent the growth of shrubs or tower caps.

== Dryland Farming: farming without irrigation ==

Some locations have layers of [[soil]] a few z-levels thick. It is not necessary to irrigate soil in order to grow crops on it; it is possible to build a farm plot directly on any soil tiles, although the dwarven crops such as [[plump helmet]]s can only be grown in a [[subterranean]] plot. Likewise, a farm plot built on any tile marked [[Tile_attributes|Above Ground]] can be used to grow outdoor crops such as [[whip vine]]. This method obviates the need for irrigation entirely, so is recommended for newbies.

NOTE: Sand is a type of soil in Dwarf Fortress, so you can build farm plots on sand.

== Easy Irrigation ==

# {{K|d}}ig from the [[farm plot]] to any source of water, but keep a single tile of [[wall]] between the newbuilt passage and the water.
# Dig a passage from the plot towards lower ground or a pit, to serve as a water drain ''(this stage is not 100% necessary, but means you don't have to worry about having too much water and so is recommended)''.
# Build a [[floodgate]], and three [[mechanism]]s. (If you're worried about delay, use [[door]]s instead of floodgates.
# Place the floodgate in the passage. The idea is that it'll block the water from coming through when it's closed.
# Build a [[lever]] and link it to the floodgate.
# If you are building a drain, follow steps 3-5 again and place the second floodgate at the entrance to the drainage channel, linked to the second lever.
# {{K|P}}ull the first lever so the gate opens.
# Send a miner to dig that last wall keeping the water from rushing in.
#: Alternatively, have the miner dig a [[channel]] ({{K|d}},{{K|h}}) on that last wall from the Z-level above. This is much safer, since the miner will dig out the wall without actually having to stand in the way of the water.
# Use the first lever to close the channel once you've got enough water to spread over the area. If you have a drain, you can now let any excess drain off using your second lever.
# The water should now cover (or have covered) 1/7 of each tile.
# Wait for the water to evaporate and/or drain off (Dwarves can built farm plots in 1/7 water, so you don't need to wait).
# Enjoy your newly irrigated land.

== Reservoir Irrigation ==

The reservoir method involves building a small reservoir between two [[floodgate|floodgates]] and a farming chamber about 7 times as large as the reservoir. A reservoir of 12 tiles, for instance, can water a 70 tile chamber effectively. Water is let into the reservoir by lowering, then raising one floodgate. The other floodgate then releases the water into the farming chamber. It spreads around, then evaporates after becoming 1 deep.

The reservoir may be built above the plot to be irrigated with a [[hatch]] or [[bridge]] in the floor, to one side using floodgates, or below and [[pump]]ed upwards. Note that [[Bridge|bridges]], in their default state, will block water from falling between levels. The large surface area you can get this way can make the water spread over your farm area much faster than by using floodgates.

It is possible to achieve the same result using a natural pond as the water reservoir. Doing so is easier in the short term but it is not advised if you want to keep replenishing your reservoir for other uses, such as [[well]](s), for natural ponds have a very finite amount of water available. On particular maps, natural ponds can replenish themselves at the beginning of each spring.

=== Worked Example ===

To create this irrigation system, you need: [[Image:Tree_farm.png|right]]   

* A large growing room.
:*The large room can be any size. (For this example, we will use a 24 by 24 size room.)
* An adjacent smaller filling room that will be filled with exactly the right amount of water.
:*To calculate the size of this room, see below.
* A water supply line such as a tube leading to a water source.
* Lever-controlled [[door]]s or floodgates connecting the large room to the smaller one, and the smaller one to the water supply. Doors are preferred as you don't need levers for your [[dwarf]] to pass. (However, if you're paranoid or your dwarves are particularly dumb, you might want to lever them anyways. The creator of this method ([[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]]) recommends using doors because they have no delay when triggered.)

'''Calculating Room Size'''

There are 576 (24²) floor tiles in the large room (L). The small room (S) must hold enough water to cover the large room, the small room, and the space occupied by the door(s) (D) in between with 1 unit of water. Each tile of the small room can hold 7 units of water, so:

S = (L + S + D) / 7

-or-

S = (L + D) / 6

577/6 = 96 1/6; rounding up, this gives 97. This is the number of floor tiles in the smaller room: a 9X10 room with 7 extra tiles. Be aware, however, that if you make your "large" room ''too'' large, some of the water from the "small" room will [[evaporate]] before reaching the other end, and you will not have enough [[water]] to coat the floor. This behavior was observed in a room of 42X35 tiles.

Now, get digging. The water supply connects to the smaller filling room by a 1-tile hole where a door or [[floodgate]] will go. The filling room connects to the growing room the same way, and the growing room needs a door too. Remember to have the [[door|doors]] in place before breaching the water source and flooding the water supply line!

When you do breach the water source, immediately forbid the first door your miner runs through (see, this is why we use doors), which should be the door closest to the water source. Don't bother forbidding the other two. Link all three doors to three separate [[lever|levers]] and test the system. Close the door between the filling chamber and main farm area and open the door that leads to the water source. When the filling chamber is full, close the door to the water source, close the door leading to the farm, and open the door between the [[farm]] and filling chamber. The water should spread out and coat the entire farm in a thin layer of water. At this time, plant your farms and begin the wait until they yield products.

== Pond Irrigation ==

Dig a ramp down from a tunnel, preferably near a well or other water source, and dig a farm room next to the ramp on the lower level. Create a [[zone]] above the ramp, and make it a pond. Your dwarves will attempt to fill it with water carried in buckets. As they dump water in, it will muddy the farm room floor. After it has been sufficiently muddied, disable or remove the pond zone until you need to irrigate it again. Dwarves can build farm plots in 1 unit deep water.

Even though it works, this is probably the slowest way to irrigate a room since dwarves only carry 1 unit of water per trip. It's especially slow if you don't have more than one or two idle dwarves and buckets, or if the water source is far away. If you need to irrigate a larger area -- maybe even one as small as 2x3, depending on distance to the water source -- you will need to do it in pieces, filling one small pond area to avoid evaporation while your dwarves carry the water, then releasing it into the farming area. Really big areas will probably need a multi-stage construction on multiple levels or with pumps to avoid losing all your carried water -- note that closing a floodgate in a water-filled area destroys the water previously there. The method works great with constructed staircases for creating outdoor farm plots where there's an occasional stone in the ground, though.

NOTE: Digging a ramp or channel down from the surface will mark the tile below Outside. This means that cave plants will not grow there.

== Pump Irrigation ==

If you have access to [[wood]], [[stone]] floors can be irrigated conveniently from a water source on the level below, by use of a [[screw pump]]. Simply dig a channel to access the water on z-1, install a [[Screw Pump]] and set to Start Pump Manually ({{k|Enter}}). Any dwarf with the 'Pump Operating' duty active will quickly pump enough water to irrigate a large area (so rapidly that irrigating other rooms becomes a concern!). This can be improved by installing a second pump to draw water out of the room, allowing you to rapidly drain the room in the event of over-filling.

== Wave Irrigation ==

Although seawater is unfit for carrying to your farm in a bucket, areas muddied by seawater seem to be farmable. One favored method of achieving this is building a farm room under a beach and making a hole in its roof, closable with a hatch, to let waves in. Also pumping water seems to desalinate it, so pumping it to your farming room seems to work fine.

== Outdoor Irrigation ==

Outdoor irrigation of rocky locations is possible using similar techniques, though you may have to construct walls to make water channels, pumps to get it out of rivers, and/or stairs up to pour water down on top of a pond zone. This only works in certain biomes; thus, since mountain biomes are the generally preferred starting location for many players, they often find out the hard way that outdoor seeds will not grow on rocky locations in that biome. The specific message is, "No seeds available for this location".

An "outdoor" plot can be built on indoor soil by opening up the ceiling, and optionally flooring it over again, but this won't work on indoor mud{{Verify}}. If the farm plot includes at least one soil/grass tile, this does not appear to happen.

== Underground River Irrigation ==

Underground rivers are often what makes living in freezing climates possible, because they don't freeze over. Its very easy to tap one if you know what you're doing. Once you've located it, pick out a good spot for your farm room and dig it out. Make sure you're on the same level as the water; that is, where the actual water is located, not where the 'Open Space' is. Channel out one tile in the farm room and replace it with a floor hatch. Dig a narrow tunnel to the underground river and put a wall grate and a floodgate in it. Link the floodgate and hatch to seperate levers. Dig one level down and dig a drainage shaft from the tile below the hatch to the point where the river 'drops'; you'll see a 5x5 area of 'Open Space'. When your ready, dig a small tunnel and channel out the floor so you breach the river below and send it into your grate and floodgate. Open the floodgate to water your crops, close it when you're done and open the hatch to drain.

NOTE: The grate is necessary to filter out nasty creatures that might otherwise come in with the water.

== De-Irrigation ==

On soil, building a wall and then removing it results in furrowed soil. However, on mud, the process results in rough but dry rock. This may be a bug in v0.28.181.40d, however.

=== Further Testing ===

The type of rock is changed(at least in v0.28.181.40d) - perhaps to that of the rock wall below? What if there is no rock wall below?

**it would seem this only affects the non-native stone of a layer, and changes it into the native stone, it definitely does not turn it into the rock type in the layer beneath if it is another non-native stone. (non-native means stone like orthoclase or microline)

[[Category:Agriculture]]

40d:Irrigation

2009-08-28T18:04:19Z

3lB33: /* Outdoor Irrigation */ Tried to clarify things

'''Irrigation''' is the process of making rocky ground suitable for [[farming]]. This is done by [[flood]]ing it with [[water]]; when the water evaporates, the tiles are labeled as "muddy". This is also called '''muddying''' the floor, as the dry floor tile is then a "muddy <type of stone> floor". Inside [[cave]]s, [[rock]] cavern floor tiles that are covered with water instantly become muddy tiles, which you can then build [[farm plot]]s on.

There are several methods for getting the water onto (and then off of) the floor tiles. Dwarf Fortress uses reasonably-realistic water dynamics, including measures of [[water depth]]. A depth of 7 is full, depths of 1 will evaporate, leaving the stone wet and thus suitable for farming. Your goal in irrigation is to get a section of ground to be 1/7s, so it will evaporate to muddy. Usually it can't be avoided that part of the section will be flooded with higher levels, but water will disperse and eventually evaporate. If the water level gets too high it will no longer evaporate.

[[Smooth]]ed floors that are muddied will remain smooth, however if/when [[shrub]]s or [[tower cap]]s grow, that tile will then revert to a rough stone floor tile. Constructed floors that have been muddied will not prevent the growth of shrubs or tower caps.

== Dryland Farming: farming without irrigation ==

Some locations have layers of [[soil]] a few z-levels thick. It is not necessary to irrigate soil in order to grow crops on it; it is possible to build a farm plot directly on any soil tiles, although the dwarven crops such as [[plump helmet]]s can only be grown in a [[subterranean]] plot. Likewise, a farm plot built on any tile marked [[Tile_attributes|Above Ground]] can be used to grow outdoor crops such as [[whip vine]]. This method obviates the need for irrigation entirely, so is recommended for newbies.

NOTE: Sand is a type of soil in Dwarf Fortress, so you can build farm plots on sand.

== Easy Irrigation ==

# {{K|d}}ig from the [[farm plot]] to any source of water, but keep a single tile of [[wall]] between the newbuilt passage and the water.
# Dig a passage from the plot towards lower ground or a pit, to serve as a water drain ''(this stage is not 100% necessary, but means you don't have to worry about having too much water and so is recommended)''.
# Build a [[floodgate]], and three [[mechanism]]s. (If you're worried about delay, use [[door]]s instead of floodgates.
# Place the floodgate in the passage. The idea is that it'll block the water from coming through when it's closed.
# Build a [[lever]] and link it to the floodgate.
# If you are building a drain, follow steps 3-5 again and place the second floodgate at the entrance to the drainage channel, linked to the second lever.
# {{K|P}}ull the first lever so the gate opens.
# Send a miner to dig that last wall keeping the water from rushing in.
#: Alternatively, have the miner dig a [[channel]] ({{K|d}},{{K|h}}) on that last wall from the Z-level above. This is much safer, since the miner will dig out the wall without actually having to stand in the way of the water.
# Use the first lever to close the channel once you've got enough water to spread over the area. If you have a drain, you can now let any excess drain off using your second lever.
# The water should now cover (or have covered) 1/7 of each tile.
# Wait for the water to evaporate and/or drain off (Dwarves can built farm plots in 1/7 water, so you don't need to wait).
# Enjoy your newly irrigated land.

== Reservoir Irrigation ==

The reservoir method involves building a small reservoir between two [[floodgate|floodgates]] and a farming chamber about 7 times as large as the reservoir. A reservoir of 12 tiles, for instance, can water a 70 tile chamber effectively. Water is let into the reservoir by lowering, then raising one floodgate. The other floodgate then releases the water into the farming chamber. It spreads around, then evaporates after becoming 1 deep.

The reservoir may be built above the plot to be irrigated with a [[hatch]] or [[bridge]] in the floor, to one side using floodgates, or below and [[pump]]ed upwards. Note that [[Bridge|bridges]], in their default state, will block water from falling between levels. The large surface area you can get this way can make the water spread over your farm area much faster than by using floodgates.

It is possible to achieve the same result using a natural pond as the water reservoir. Doing so is easier in the short term but it is not advised if you want to keep replenishing your reservoir for other uses, such as [[well]](s), for natural ponds have a very finite amount of water available. On particular maps, natural ponds can replenish themselves at the beginning of each spring.

=== Worked Example ===

To create this irrigation system, you need: [[Image:Tree_farm.png|right]]   

* A large growing room.
:*The large room can be any size. (For this example, we will use a 24 by 24 size room.)
* An adjacent smaller filling room that will be filled with exactly the right amount of water.
:*To calculate the size of this room, see below.
* A water supply line such as a tube leading to a water source.
* Lever-controlled [[door]]s or floodgates connecting the large room to the smaller one, and the smaller one to the water supply. Doors are preferred as you don't need levers for your [[dwarf]] to pass. (However, if you're paranoid or your dwarves are particularly dumb, you might want to lever them anyways. The creator of this method ([[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]]) recommends using doors because they have no delay when triggered.)

'''Calculating Room Size'''

There are 576 (24²) floor tiles in the large room (L). The small room (S) must hold enough water to cover the large room, the small room, and the space occupied by the door(s) (D) in between with 1 unit of water. Each tile of the small room can hold 7 units of water, so:

S = (L + S + D) / 7

-or-

S = (L + D) / 6

577/6 = 96 1/6; rounding up, this gives 97. This is the number of floor tiles in the smaller room: a 9X10 room with 7 extra tiles. Be aware, however, that if you make your "large" room ''too'' large, some of the water from the "small" room will [[evaporate]] before reaching the other end, and you will not have enough [[water]] to coat the floor. This behavior was observed in a room of 42X35 tiles.

Now, get digging. The water supply connects to the smaller filling room by a 1-tile hole where a door or [[floodgate]] will go. The filling room connects to the growing room the same way, and the growing room needs a door too. Remember to have the [[door|doors]] in place before breaching the water source and flooding the water supply line!

When you do breach the water source, immediately forbid the first door your miner runs through (see, this is why we use doors), which should be the door closest to the water source. Don't bother forbidding the other two. Link all three doors to three separate [[lever|levers]] and test the system. Close the door between the filling chamber and main farm area and open the door that leads to the water source. When the filling chamber is full, close the door to the water source, close the door leading to the farm, and open the door between the [[farm]] and filling chamber. The water should spread out and coat the entire farm in a thin layer of water. At this time, plant your farms and begin the wait until they yield products.

== Pond Irrigation ==

Dig a ramp down from a tunnel, preferably near a well or other water source, and dig a farm room next to the ramp on the lower level. Create a [[zone]] above the ramp, and make it a pond. Your dwarves will attempt to fill it with water carried in buckets. As they dump water in, it will muddy the farm room floor. After it has been sufficiently muddied, disable or remove the pond zone until you need to irrigate it again. Dwarves can build farm plots in 1 unit deep water.

Even though it works, this is probably the slowest way to irrigate a room since dwarves only carry 1 unit of water per trip. It's especially slow if you don't have more than one or two idle dwarves and buckets, or if the water source is far away. If you need to irrigate a larger area -- maybe even one as small as 2x3, depending on distance to the water source -- you will need to do it in pieces, filling one small pond area to avoid evaporation while your dwarves carry the water, then releasing it into the farming area. Really big areas will probably need a multi-stage construction on multiple levels or with pumps to avoid losing all your carried water -- note that closing a floodgate in a water-filled area destroys the water previously there. The method works great with constructed staircases for creating outdoor farm plots where there's an occasional stone in the ground, though.

NOTE: Digging a ramp or channel down from the surface will mark the tile below Outside. This means that cave plants will not grow there.

== Pump Irrigation ==

If you have access to [[wood]], [[stone]] floors can be irrigated conveniently from a water source on the level below, by use of a [[screw pump]]. Simply dig a channel to access the water on z-1, install a [[Screw Pump]] and set to Start Pump Manually ({{k|Enter}}). Any dwarf with the 'Pump Operating' duty active will quickly pump enough water to irrigate a large area (so rapidly that irrigating other rooms becomes a concern!). This can be improved by installing a second pump to draw water out of the room, allowing you to rapidly drain the room in the event of over-filling.

== Wave Irrigation ==

Although seawater is unfit for carrying to your farm in a bucket, areas muddied by seawater seem to be farmable. My favorite method of achieving this is building a farm room under a beach and making a hole in its roof, closable with a hatch, to let waves in. Also pumping water seems to desalinate it, so pumping it to your farming room seems to work fine.

== Outdoor Irrigation ==

Outdoor irrigation of rocky locations is possible using similar techniques, though you may have to construct walls to make water channels, pumps to get it out of rivers, and/or stairs up to pour water down on top of a pond zone. This only works in certain biomes; thus, since mountain biomes are the generally preferred starting location for many players, they often find out the hard way that outdoor seeds will not grow on rocky locations in that biome. The specific message is, "No seeds available for this location".

An "outdoor" plot can be built on indoor soil by opening up the ceiling, and optionally flooring it over again, but this won't work on indoor mud{{Verify}}. If the farm plot includes at least one soil/grass tile, this does not appear to happen.

== Underground River Irrigation ==

Underground rivers are often what makes living in freezing climates possible, because they don't freeze over. Its very easy to tap one if you know what you're doing. Once you've located it, pick out a good spot for your farm room and dig it out. Make sure you're on the same level as the water; that is, where the actual water is located, not where the 'Open Space' is. Channel out one tile in the farm room and replace it with a floor hatch. Dig a narrow tunnel to the underground river and put a wall grate and a floodgate in it. Link the floodgate and hatch to seperate levers. Dig one level down and dig a drainage shaft from the tile below the hatch to the point where the river 'drops'; you'll see a 5x5 area of 'Open Space'. When your ready, dig a small tunnel and channel out the floor so you breach the river below and send it into your grate and floodgate. Open the floodgate to water your crops, close it when you're done and open the hatch to drain.

NOTE: The grate is necessary to filter out nasty creatures that might otherwise come in with the water.

== De-Irrigation ==

On soil, building a wall and then removing it results in furrowed soil. However, on mud, the process results in rough but dry rock. This may be a bug in v0.28.181.40d, however.

=== Further Testing ===

The type of rock is changed(at least in v0.28.181.40d) - perhaps to that of the rock wall below? What if there is no rock wall below?

**it would seem this only affects the non-native stone of a layer, and changes it into the native stone, it definitely does not turn it into the rock type in the layer beneath if it is another non-native stone. (non-native means stone like orthoclase or microline)

[[Category:Agriculture]]

40d Talk:Irrigation

2009-08-28T17:44:36Z

3lB33: well THAT's interesting.

Irrigation is not always needed for farming. i have my plot inside on sandy clay loam and it works fine. But: would the harvest maybe be better/faster with water? will check out. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 14:20, 10 February 2008 (EST)
: Made a few changes to clarify.--[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 14:36, 10 February 2008 (EST)
:Irrigation is only needed to be able to farm on rock. Soil layers don't need irrigation before you can farm on them. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 15:04, 10 February 2008 (EST)
The current version says you can "effectively" water an area 7x the size of the reservoir, but that doesn't seem to take into account the water that remains in the reservoir once the floodgate's opened which can lead to spots getting missed and people who're anal about this sort of stuff getting annoyed - maybe a 6x/5x figure should be used instead so we can get a depth average of 1.4-ish? --[[User:Sorenson|Sorenson]] 11 March 2008 (EST)

The article indicates that "some natural ponds replenish themselves at the beginning of spring." My research indicates that this is the result of water thawing. Any amount of water (x/7) becomes ice during winter (assuming your climate is cold enough). When melting, it becomes 7/7 deep water. [[User:Ripheus|Ripheus]] 02:57, 6 April 2008 (EDT)

Consequently... after irrigating land, is the muddied land subject to evaporation post-planting?
[[User:Okita|Okita]] 03:28, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

I've tidied up the article a lot, and made it much more newbie friendly (thanks also to Brandonazz), but I'm still a bit of a newbie myself so if I've made any factual errors I apologise. Hopefully it should be a lot easier to follow for those new to the game. --[[User:Daxx|Daxx]] 17:55, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Is it possible to irrigate on constructed floors? I'm considering building a farm on top of a tower. [[User:Amenos42|Amenos42]] 00:12, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Does the irrigated land dry up eventually? [[User:Arvid|Arvid]] 17:24, 6 November 2008 (EST)

:If it does, it dries very, very slowly, over the course of years. Using 'dirt roads' can clean up the mud, however. Sadly, there does not seem to be any way to clean up your muddy engraved floors. --[[User:Navian|Navian]] 17:37, 6 November 2008 (EST)
:: Depends on the local temperature, how wet the area is, etc. I've had muddy fields dry out in a season. If there's at least 1/7 water (and it's not just muddy), and you want to get the water out, your best bet is a screw pump. --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 19:16, 6 November 2008 (EST)

I put in info about why plants won't grow in irrigated outdoor plots based on [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=6831.0 this message from Toady]. I suspect that the user who found that this was also true for 'greenhoused' tiles was probably trying it in a mountain biome, but I didn't verify that I could make it work in other biomes. --[[User:Threlicus|Threlicus]] 17:19, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
: I have been successfully running an outdoor, irrigated plot in a desert biome for quite some time now, but I never realized this "bug" before because I had never tried it before in a mountain biome. [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 17:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Tree

2009-08-28T17:34:06Z

3lB33: /* Treehuggers */

So what's the deal with named trees near elf settlements? They seem to stop a short distance from the location of the closest elf. I think I accidentally cut one down, but the elves haven't responded. [[User:Dolohov|Dolohov]] 10:48, 12 November 2007 (EST)

== Underground tree farm ==

Well, out of fear of goblin ambushes... and many dead dwarfs later. I decided to make my very own tree farm. Ive got it working, and theres trees growing, but there are rocks all over the place. Do I need to move these rocks to be able to designate these trees to be cut down? I would prefer not to move these 3 or 400 rocks, but what must be done, must be done. --Wafl
:You do have to move the rocks. You can use the Designate Dump [[Macros_and_keymaps|AutoHotkey script]] to quickly dump a large area of stone, though. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 00:17, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
::tower caps require moving water, and can supposedly spawn next to damp wall that fufills that requirement(moving water)– [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:eerr|eerr]]
::Moving water is not necessary. Mud is fine. A damp wall doesn't cut it. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 22:29, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
Okay, this was a bit complex, so bear with me here - I dug out a pit underground, and channeled it out so it extended all the way to the layer that was the surface, BUT left the surface layer untouched. Not just the floor, but the actual layer of soil. Channel around that, and let it collapse all the way down to the pit you created. Roof it over. Muddy it. Trees will grow - http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/207/indoortreeqt8.png. --[[User:Xaddak|Xaddak]] 16:18, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

I noticed after digging a moat, that trees were growing there. Granted that I embarked at a place with a pretty high tree density, I believe that trees only need to be outside/above ground/light/on soil(not sure which combination). Can anyone confirm this? --[[User:Sphexx|Sphexx]] 21:50, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

== Grow Time ==
In my current fortress, I've deforested the map. Then after it I dried the pools. This was in summer of 1055. Now is the late spring of 1057 and I have full-grown Mahogany in one of the pools. It matured in less than two years! Need to check this--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 08:27, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
:I've verified. The time, needed to grow is 1.5 years, not 3! At Pagebend, my current fort, treefarm was muddied at the late spring of 303, and now it's early winter of 304 and I already have some fully matured tower-caps! Changing article--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]]

Do items produced from different tree's wood have different value? Are there more valuable trees than others? --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 20:27, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
:I'm pretty sure all wood is equally valuable. But different woods have different weights, feather tree wood being extremely light. --[[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 21:07, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

== Growing trees in soil ==

I watered my stone in order to get trees to grow, but trees are not growing in my soil. Do I need to water the soil?--[[User:Wafl|Wafl]] 11:38, 18 April 2008 (EDT)
:Trees will not grow inside your fortress, unless you channel out the ceiling. If you want to make wood inside your fort you need to embark on a map with cave river or cave lake. When you discover them all non-smoothed muddied natural floor tiles will have a chance to spawn tower cap sapling. They don't need to be muddied with water from this underground feature, any mud will do. Channeling aboveground river underground won't create trees. To find underground water you can use regional prospector utility, it works very well. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 15:15, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

== Magma resistance ==

Trees resist magma like they do resist water. Shouldn't that be included in the article? --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 15:16, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

== Deciduousness ==

I'm assuming that the "Autumnal" heading in the table was referring to trees whose leaves change colour in the autumn. I've changed the heading to "Deciduous", because as far as I am aware "Autumnal" is used to describe a tree currently undergoing the colour change, rather than a tree which is capable of it. Fun with pedantry! --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 22:49, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

== Supports ==

I know it sounds crazy but once in adventure mode I smashed a Wolf onto a tree from the z-level above it. The dead body of the wolf stayed there for until I used the Travel Mode thing. Can anyone back this up? --[[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 03:43, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
:Yeah it happens. Trees support objects. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 02:02, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
::Indeed, I had a dead troll fall on a tree, what a mess. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 08:43, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
:::Would the object in the tree join the wood pile made if the tree was chopped down? Can this be verified? --[[User:Stryc9fuego|Stryc9fuego]] 13:11, 5 September 2008 (EDT)
::::Yep, when I chopped down the tree my woodcutter was hip deep in troll chunks and ichor-stained clothing. [[User:HeWhoIsPale|HeWhoIsPale]] 13:45, 5 September 2008 (EDT)

== Default density ==

As the subject says. What is the default density? It lists several trees as having 'default' density, but I can't find what the default density actually is, anywhere. --[[User:Spoggerific|Spoggerific]] 19:57, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

== "Greenhouse" Trees ==

Does an area have to be light, or above ground, to grow normal trees? I've been thinking of making a glass greenhouse to grow a large patch of trees. --[[User:Eb|Eb]] 07:16, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
:you need 2 deep soil to grow trees.--[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 00:31, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
::Absolutely not true - a single layer of soil underneath the tree is enough (and on some maps, a single layer of soil is all that's even present), and it isn't even required - I've had trees growing on sand floors where the sand previously underneath had been hollowed out, though they seem to grow much more slowly (e.g. taking upwards of 3-4 years to grow). Additionally, the area need only be "above ground" - I've had trees growing inside a roofed greenhouse. --[[User:Quietust|Quietust]] 16:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

== List of trees, each one an article ==

I added/created articles for each tree in the list. They only redirect to the table, since we don't have a lot of useful info of them yet to create an article. Like that, we remove some red ugly link, and people can link to these tree, in case, someday, they start to have more differences and need an article of their own. --[[User:Karl|Karl]] 07:39, 27 January 2009 (EST)

== Treehuggers ==

I just realized that it's been a while, and at least a few [[version]] {{version|0.28.181.40d}} upgrades, since I've seen those annoying [[elves]] complain about my rampant deforestation habits. What percentage of a map's [[trees]] do I have to plunder before they start demanding I cap my demand? --[[User:FJH|FJH]] 23:13, 4 March 2009 (EST)
:I have seen them complain in the .40d vanilla. --[[User:Zchris13|Zchris13]] 00:31, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Do Elves complain about tower cap farms? [[User:3lB33|3lB33]] 17:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

== Weights ==

What are the different weights of the wood for each tree? Should those be in the table? I know feather trees are unnaturally light and can be used to produce very light barrels as a result, for instance. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] 20:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
:That might be redundant. I think the feather tree is the only tree with a different weight, though I haven't checked. If every type of wood has a different weight, then certainly this is relevant. --[[User:Mikaka|Mikaka]] 19:57, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
:: Each wood have a specific weight (Which is under the "Density" column). Take a look at raw\objects\matgloss_wood.txt for the density of each type if you want. --[[User:Karl|Karl]] 21:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
::: A tree's weight is based on its density, however, because density is such a large number, it takes quite a difference in density to make any in an object's weight. Except for feather trees, I am pretty sure that all of the rest of the trees are to close in densities to have different weights. --[[User:I2amroy|I2amroy]] 15:27, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
:::: A pine bin : 56; Cedar bin : 38; Larch Bin : 59; tower-cap Bin : 60; Pine have a density of 560 , cedar one of 380, larch 590, and tower-cap 600. So density do have a role with the weight. Bin use 1/10 of the density, bed use 1/4 of it. --[[User:Karl|Karl]] 15:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

::::While they tend to be close, it does make a significant difference in heavier items, and when you're giving troops gear (namely [[marksdwarf|marksdwarves]] who are weighed down by a big ol' stack of ammo), every unit of weight counts. Even more importantly, [[trade]]rs are limited by weight, and the heavier the log, the more room it takes up. So a caravan hauling cedar, willow, and feather tree logs is going to have more room for other stuff than a caravan hauling oak, maple, and glumprong. --[[User:LegacyCWAL|LegacyCWAL]] 14:42, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

== Forest density ==

There seems to be some sort of tree limit, as if you embark on a heavy forest 6x6 and a half heavy forest half mountain you will get the same trees on embark, just a thicker forest. It's very noticeable [[User:Greep|Greep]] 10:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Outdoor rock able to grow trees? ==

I embarked on a map that has about 3/4 of the map in dolomite mountain, and the other 1/4 with a few trees and shrubs. It's a decent amount of trees, but I was wondering if I were to muddy the stone, that is, the stone right by the grass that is in complete daylight, would the now muddied area grow trees? Or because it was in a "different biome" (even though it's just a couple tiles away) would it not grow anything? Or maybe it wouldn't grow because it's muddy dolomite, and trees can only grow on soil types? Or maybe this would work? I'm going to test it out, but it might take a while because my fortress is fairly new.

Alright... I muddied a large portion of rock and it didn't grow trees. How surprising. I should've known from the start. Anyway, I then proceeded to make my mass watering machine into a flooding chamber. My dwarves are dead. Serves them right for not growing trees out of stone.[[User:ZombieRoboNinja|ZombieRoboNinja]] 17:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)