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2009-10-20T05:16:06Z

GreyMario: Created page with 'OH GOD JPEG. --~~~~'

OH GOD JPEG. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 05:16, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

40d Talk:Catsplosion

2009-02-10T20:48:53Z

GreyMario: /* Cat Farm */

== Modding solution without unhappiness ==
If you remove the [VERMINHUNTER] tag from the raw file of the cat and then load your game, all of the cats who chose their owner (not ones who came with immigrants) will be owner free again and you can butcher them without causing unhappy thoughts. They won't catch vermin anymore, but you can butcher as many as you like and then put the [VERMINHUNTER] tag back if you want to. This has worked for me in the 40d version.
[[User:Bobokapi|Bobokapi]] 21:39, 12 November 2008 (EST)

:Sounds really useful. Add it to the article, but you might want to mention it's a bug (or more likely, because all cats are now re-created as a new type of creature w/o owners, or verminhunter has something to do with the "cats adopt dwarves" thing). – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Milskidasith|Milskidasith]]
:::It does. Someone put VERMINHUNTER on their dogs and found that they adopted owners. Apparently, you need to be of an appropriately independent mindset to go off and hunt rats. -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 08:59, 13 November 2008 (EST)

==Cat Farm==
Why don't you try making a 'cat farm'? Dig a small pit (1 by 1 to 3 by 3) then dig a tunnel to the side. Build floodgates at the entrance, since the little buggers are able to get past tightly closed doors. The tunnel should lead to a room full of butcher's shops. Then designate the channel as a pit and dump all the cats in. Since its a small pit, the fps wouldn't reduce as much. The cats will breed, and breed, and breed. When you want to 'harvest' the cats get them ready to be slaughtered. Open the gate, then once the ones to be slaughtered are removed, close it. Enjoy the cat farm!--[[User:Stinhad Limarezum|Stinhad Limarezum]] 05:52, 10 February 2009 (EST)

:They'll still pick owners down there. And then you can't slaughter them. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:48, 10 February 2009 (EST)

40d:Anvil

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GreyMario: funny

Anvils are required to build a [[metalsmith's forge]]. They are a vital item if your fortress intends to do any metalworking whatsoever.

Since the only way to make an anvil is with a metalsmith's forge, your first anvil must be sourced from outside of your colony. Apart from that, anvils require three metal bars to be made. As this is an infinite loop, the origins of the first anvil are unknown.

An anvil is included by default in starting equipment. If you choose not to bring an anvil, you are usually able to trade for one with the dwarven (autumn) and [[human]] [[caravan]] that often carry [[iron]] anvils at a cost of 1000☼, and [[steel]] anvils at a cost of 3000☼. If not, you may also request one from the [[dwarven liaison]] or human [[guild representative]], if you are willing to pay an increased price to guarantee that at least one anvil arrives in the second year/third year. Note that it is presently useless to request the more-expensive steel anvil as there is no difference in productivity.

== Acquiring an Anvil ==

You may bring an anvil with you on embark, at the cost of 1000 points. However, some players choose to forego this and instead spend the points for other purposes. An anvil will usually be available for purchase from the dwarven caravan in the first autumn, but it is not guaranteed. An anvil from a caravan will cost 1000 if made of iron, or 3000 if made of steel.

== Anvil Properties ==

Anvils may be made of [[iron]], [[steel]] or [[adamantine]]. (Dwarves in [[strange mood]]s can make anvils out of any metal.) The material used does not seem to affect the performance of the forge. Neither does the anvil's quality, although anvils have a high base cost, so quality greatly increases their value. Smithing an anvil requires three bars of metal.

Anvils are considered furniture and will be stored in a furniture [[stockpile]] if not utilized in a forge.

[[Category:Items]]
[[Category:Furniture]]

Talk:Main Page/archive2

2009-01-31T23:07:27Z

GreyMario:

== The "Bedroom Design" page is broken ==

When trying to load the page I get this error:

Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/virtual/site152/fst/var/www/html/dwarf/includes/Parser.php on line 2717

It's been this way for a couple days at least. The rest of the wiki works fine. – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Phillstac3|Phillstac3]]

:The culprit was too much QD, which caused the page to load too slowly. The wiki gave up when it didnt load fast enough. I have the culprit for now, but I have idea for a more permanent solution. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 08:28, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

== "new version" ==

ShunterAlhena changed "new version" to "new (3D) version" to "3D version". I changed this to "Z-axis version", to reduce newbie confusion (thinking there's a fully-3D graphical version could be disappointing) but now I'm starting to wonder if maybe "new version" would be best after all. As far as I can tell, "new version" doesn't just mean all of the versions since the October 2007 release, but rather the ''latest'' version. 
That said, that's what I'll tweak it to. --[[User:JT|JT]] 19:47, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

:IMO if the phrase "new version" is being used to refer to the "Z-axis version" of the game, then it isn't really clear enough. With Toady's regular updates, talking just about "new versions" is a little too ambiguous. How about the phrases "multi-level version" or "multi-floor version"? Either of those would be clearer I think. "Z-axis version" is also good for me. (This is my first suggestion/edit on a Wiki, so I hope it turns out ok!) --[[User:Saiph|Saiph]] 07:59, 28 November 2008 (EST)

:: You're correct about it being ambiguous. Your suggestion is ok (and welcome to the Wiki! :-)), but I don't think the notice box is still needed. Its purpose was to keep people from just copying over old material from the archived wiki to fill gaps in this one, but that's not really a danger anymore, so I just removed it and moved the release date down to the download link. — [[User:Alya|Alya]] 10:40, 28 November 2008 (EST)

== Offline Version? ==

Is there an offline version of DwarfFortressWiki (ala [http://static.wikipedia.org/ Wikipedia])? I'm going to be doing some traveling, and would like to use this resource when I don't have internet access :) --[[User:Sim9]], unsigned

:I know that obtaining one is possible. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:31, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

:I was told that a torrent was circulating on 4chan and other places but I don't know anything else about it. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 12:46, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
:Go to [[Special:Export]] then go to [[Special:Allpages]] in another window/tab. Make a copy of every article's name. Paste it into the export page and click export. Now its just a matter of finding a way to parse the xml file you get.

:I now have an offline copy. I can post it if anyone is interested in a copy :) --[[User:Sim9|Sim9]] 22:57, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

:: Just found this: [http://www.wikitaxi.org/delphi/doku.php/products/wikitaxi/index WikiTaxi]. It took me a while to find a suitable program for viewing Wiki XML dumps, so I thought I'd save some others the time. By 'suitable', I mean easy to use and without requiring a lot of extras before it will work (most I found require you to set up a server with a MySQL database and apache - I already meet those requirements on my desktop, but that almost defeats the purpose of downloading the wiki in the first place). This one however is completely portable - I can have it on external storage and use it on any computer I find myself needing to. --[[User:Tyranic-Moron|Tyranic-Moron]] 13:57, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

== Coincidence? ==

I got a quote that said: 
"You have been processed! Go forth, now, and edit!" 
--Savok 
right after creating this account... Is this a coincidence or a command? 
--[[User:Peewee|Peewee]] 20:02, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

:Coincidence. That's the end of a newbie-welcoming template that someone found funny enough to put in the [[Main Page/Quote|Quote list]], which delivers randomized quotes to the main page. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:49, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

::Both coincidence AND command. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:41, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

== Russian Interwiki ==

I've made a deal with the admin of the Russian wiki, we can both link to each other. So if you know Russian, you're welcome to add links to the bottom of pages to their equivalent Russian pages.
For example, on the [[Carp]] page, I have added [[ru:Карп]] - so there is now a link to its Russian counterpart in the left-side navigation bar, under the "In other languages" header. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 13:37, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

:Looks like the other wiki may be down/broken. I don't have a suggested action though. -- [[User:Vaevictus|Vaevictus]] 13:33, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::I have made new russian wiki. URL: http://www.dfwk.ru. I do translation now. -- [[User:igoreklim|igoreklim]] 22:15, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

== Many Laughs ==

Congrats to whomever made the april's fool's day changes. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 04:34, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

:Agreed. I didn't think of doing anything myself so kudos for going in. Nobody changes it for the whole day, I'll revert any reverts. :) --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 08:56, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

== Navigation on bottom ==

Since recently (2 or 3 days) the navigation and search box are at the very bottom of every page (opera user). Can someone please fix this? --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 07:38, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

:It's at the bottom of the page for me too, and I'm using Firefox. [[User:Klada|Klada]] 11:43, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

::Confirm this is happening for me as well, Firefox 2.0.0.12 ubuntu 7.04. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 14:56, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

:::For what it's worth, ditto, and FF 2.0.0.12 Windows XP Home Edition Version 2002 Service Pack 2. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 15:07, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

::::Hah! Sorry, meant Senso. XD Good to have another confirmation regardless. Anyway, I went ahead and emailed him. It's weird how it just cropped up all of a sudden, hopefully something easily fixed. --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 02:00, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

:It should be back to normal now, sorry for that. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 11:54, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

::No worries, looks good here. Thanks! --[[User:Nunix|Nunix]] 17:54, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
::: *[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] jumps up and rejoices*
:::: "[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] was pleased to have a mandate deadline met lately."? --[[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 06:13, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

== "American" English or Rest-Of-The-World English? ==

Just a minor question, while spell-checking articles, I've encountered a few discrepancies between the two, but I usually see the "rest of the world English" more. So what's the official rule here, assuming we're going for a constant? --[[User:Snoob|Snoob]] 08:40, 7 March 2008 (EST)

:Haha. You don't sound biased at all ;). I figure we can go one of two routes. We can either claim that DF is an american topic, since it's being made in america by an american and the wiki is on an american domain—or we can say DF is an international topic since people from all over are funding Toady. If it's an international topic, we might as well follow the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English wikipedia manual of style]. Wikipedia has no preference over the variant used, but there should be consistency in each article. The first user who makes an edit which disambiguates the variety being used in the article is considered the first major contributor and all subsequent edits to that article should use the same type of english. If in doubt, we have history pages. I think the reason you see british english more often in the wiki is because we've had a few editors who in their extreme modesty decided british english is superior and changed several of the american english articles over. I've noticed this happening on a few occasions. (please dont do that). [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:53, 7 March 2008 (EST)

::I second sticking with the Wikipedia's Manual of Style for language. And as a note, there isn't a "Rest of the World English." In fact, the language is documented to vary [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_accents_of_English_speakers|as much as the countries that speak it].
::So, how does the Namibian English variant sound to everyone? At least then most of us are at an equal starting point! :P --[[User:TarrVetus|TarrVetus]] 11:25, 7 March 2008 (EST)

:::I made a pretty bad assumption there, I suppose. I was trying to not sound biased, but I suppose I accidentally let it creep in somewhere. I'll just leave the variations to you guys and stick to cleaning up actual typos then. :P --[[User:Snoob|Snoob]] 11:37, 7 March 2008 (EST)

::::Hehe. I can sympathize, Snoob. I've had this debate with myself in the past, though it was from the other side. --[[User:TarrVetus|TarrVetus]] 13:17, 7 March 2008 (EST)

:::::This is a late reply, but I am an American in China. Here, English is classified either as American English or British English, and American English is widely preferred even though British English is taught to beginning students. I wouldn't say calling it "rest-of-the-world English" is very accurate. I would venture that many countries in Latin America also prefer American English, but what do it know.--[[User:RustyMcloon|Rusty Mcloon]] 01:16, 17 May 2008 (EDT)

== Version updates ==

There's a new version out today, so the version number and release date need changing. Unfortunately I have absolutely no idea how to do this as they appear to use some kind of function instead of being typed in. Somebody with the know-how fancy making the change? --[[User:TangoThree|TangoThree]] 10:04, 24 February 2008 (EST)
:[[Template:current/version]]
:[[Template:current/lastupdate]]
:[[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:15, 24 February 2008 (EST)

== Quote randomization ==

VengefulDonut, if you want to randomize that for improved quality, you'll need to do it right: Many (most?) of the quotes in the quote archive are in an ARCHIVE: They are bad quotes never intended to be reused. Also, what do we do when we get new quotes? Do they get put in a database, not to be used till the RNG chooses? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 20:11, 7 February 2008 (EST)

:What would you like? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:36, 7 February 2008 (EST)

::I suggest that one quote is permanant, and the other quote refresh everytime we visit the page. So far, I noticed that even if I refresh the page, the same quotes stay. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 05:49, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::A new quote on the left, and a randomized archive quote on the right? As for the refesh: the template checks the time. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 06:35, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::What is the tick? Every few minutes? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 08:14, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::The template checks the time, but the time doesn't update because the server caches the page. It gets a new one whenever the server refreshes it; you can force this by editing the page or by clicking the preview button. Also, I could make it so that one of the quote boxes picks from the newest x quotes. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:43, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::Having a newer quote on the left and an archived one on the right sounds better than a permanent quote on either. PS. Might want to remove a few of them, like the 'palisade' quote. --[[User:Jackard|Jackard]] 11:47, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::::The goal of the quote archive was to archive every single quote which ever got to the main page. If you want to thin out only the best quotes, I suggest you use a separate database for that. Even then, how "good" is a quote is very open to interpretation and taste. If I had to remove all the quotes I find bad or unfunny myself, I'd probably remove 80% of the present quotes in the archive. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 18:46, 8 February 2008 (EST)

::::::Ok. The right quotebox now chooses from the last 10 quotes instead of from among all of them. If anyone feels like they want to prune out or fiddle with quotes, go for it. I think what I've set up should be pretty straightforward, but if you have questions I'll be glad to answer them. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:11, 8 February 2008 (EST)

:::I added two new quotes (40, and 41), but only 40 is showing up at the moment, am I doing something wrong? --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 10:10, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

::::You did it exactly right. The left quote box randomly chooses between all quotes. The right quote box randomly chooses between the 10 newest. It will come up eventually. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:17, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

:::If possible can we implement a check to insure that the left quote and the right quote are not in fact the same quote? I suppose it wouldn't be a big deal with a small quote, however when it is large, such as the 7 line one I ran into today appearing in both boxes, it makes the page seem a bit crowded and symmetrical. --[[User:Elvang|Elvang]] 14:51, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

::::We could do that, but the probability of identical quotes is 1⁄totalquotenumber, so I don't think it's really needed. --[[User:Savok|Savok]]

:::::And yet it still manages to happen. like at the time of this edit. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 12:30, 19 January 2009 (EST)

== Requesting installation of ParserFunctions extension ==

It would be nice if the ParserFunctions[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:ParserFunctions] extension was installed (#if, #expr, etc). It would be useful for having templates that exclude parts of it if no values are provided. Note: I cannot find a place for requesting extensions --[[User:Aygar|Aygar]] 13:00, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:ParserFunctions has been '''installed'''. I did a quick test and it works. Let me know if you run into problems. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 11:54, 22 January 2008 (EST)

== Translation ==

I've got requests for either having a German wiki or Namespace. I'd like to have everybody's opinion on this. If you people think that having German (and maybe other languages eventually) translations on the main wiki is going to be annoying, tell me. I can also setup a new wiki on a subdomain (de.dwarffortresswiki.net for example). How would it be best organized? Should I use [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Languages LanguageTemplates]? Is there a need for other additional languages? --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 09:31, 17 January 2008 (EST)

:Since Dwarf Fortress is only available in English, if you can play the game, you can also read the wiki. I really don't think a German (or any other language) wiki version is worth the effort.--[[User:Siliziumleben|Siliziumleben]] 14:22, 18 January 2008 (EST)

::My oppinion also. This doesn't mean we should stop those enthusiam people though. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 13:06, 17 January 2008 (EST)

::There's a big difference between understanding a game interface and reading long and complex tutorials, descriptions, discussions etc. I know French people who play this game; they can understand the UI but they use the French wiki for reference. Also, if I decide to use a separate wiki/subdomain, this will be totally transparent to you. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 16:40, 17 January 2008 (EST)

:::My first language, the one I used since I'm born, is French. Yet, I way prefer this wiki over the french one. --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 10:06, 18 January 2008 (EST)

::::I'm French too, you know. But when I offered to host a DF wiki, I didn't do it in French because I know English is widely used. But I'm still glad that someone else started a French wiki. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 22:58, 20 January 2008 (EST)

:::::I don't see what harm could come from hosting a German, Japanese, and Russian wiki. It's not like it will interfere with the English one. Also, as a student of languages, I would love to read equivalent articles in German and Japanese. --[[User:DDouble|DDouble]] 22:01, 17 February 2008 (EST)

::::::I am german and while I can read english books like german ones, I have to agree that being able to use a UI and understanding the finer points in a tutorial etc. are two quite different things. I guess that if the bandwidth of the wiki is no burden on anyone, it could actually lead to an influx of new ideas and players, which is very important for a "community" game like DF. --[[User:Caiburn|Caiburn]] 20:44, 18 February 2008 (CET+1)

Hello everyone! 
I'm from Austria speaking and reading English very well, why should we not translate this wiki? If we are enough fellows we could do a good job. So give us a chance ;)– [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Geri|Geri]]

----

Like [[User:Eagle of Fire|EoF]] implied, a translated wiki is simply not nearly as up to date as the main one. If it was, we would have to rely on an active community of those fluent in English and the language of the translated wiki to keep the wikis coordinated. For this reason, I do not believe that we can successfully create a DFwiki in a different language with the resources that we have at the moment. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:21, 11 December 2008 (EST)

== Version of MediaWiki? ==

Sorry if this is completely the wrong place, but does anybody know which version of MediaWiki these pages uses?
Maybe that information could be included in the page About DwarfFortressWiki? --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 17:00, 17 December 2007 (EST)

:I think I found out. This page: [[Special:Version]] says the version is 1.10.1, which should mean that limited #for-loops are supported. I will delete these comments soonishly, but will let them stay for a while incase someone has comments --[[User:Gauteamus|Gauteamus]] 17:28, 17 December 2007 (EST)

== Combat Logs? ==

What about a section where people could post cool combat logs from adventurer mode. This would different from the "Stories" section, which is more prose. (This is 'cause I'd like to post the log of a battle I had with a particularly clumsy Giant, who slammed into a wall allowing me to stab him in the back of the head for the eventual win. Its no dragon-slaying tale, but I still think its good.) --[[User:Wahnsinniger|Wahnsinniger]] 11:59, 2 December 2007 (EST)

== Humor? / Link to quote archive? ==

Any thoughts about possibly linking [[Main Page/Quote Archive]] page somewhere on the main page? Its an orphan at the moment and is pretty funny and relevant. [[User:Vanan|Vanan]] 15:19, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I'd like to be able to see that happen. New people coming here might get overwhelmed if we don't amuse them with some good humor here and there.--[[User:AlBorland|AlBorland]] 13:42, 20 November 2007 (EST)

:I second that. This second is adorned with hanging rings of Goshenite and menaces with spikes of Goshenite. - [[User:Laugurinn|Laugurinn]] 22:57, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Where does one stick new funny quotes? Namely, this:
 ""Thikut Atheludib, Marksdwarf cancels shooting at Archery Range: Interrupted by Groundhog pup" - What brave soldiers I have" [[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 18:45, 10 December 2007 (EST)
:That's not exactly funny, but [[Main_Page/Quote]]. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 00:43, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Just for the record, does anybody mind if I put a link to the [[Main Page/Quote Archive]] page on the front page? [[User:Shabang50|Shabang50]] 12:58, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

:I say go for it. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 22:27, 12 January 2009 (EST)

== Demystify messages? ==

Probably against the spirit of 'losing is fun', but how about a page that explains smoe of the more cryptic messages, such as; 'job item misplaced' and 'job item lost or destroyed'? [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:43, 8 November 2007 (EST)

Also, is there a suggestions pages? This probably isn't the best page to add ideas... [[User:Runspotrun|Runspotrun]] 16:44, 8 November 2007 (EST)

== Importing old entries ==

What's the stance on importing entries from the old wiki for stuff like general item stats? Most of them are still correct (or nearly so) and it would be nice not to have to switch between this and the old wiki any more. I can add a disclaimer to them stating I pulled them from the archives if that's appropriate. --[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 15:07, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
:IMO (and I'm not admin or anything) it should be ok but only if you are 100% sure EVERYTHING is correct, and have verified it personally. I've edited at least one article someone copy-pasted with no changes that had old info in it so far and it makes me sad. --[[User:BurnedToast|BurnedToast]] 15:38, 2 November 2007 (EDT)
::Yes, I second this. Please be diligent if you are going to import old information. Even if you can't do it yourself, at least categorize it as needing verification so someone with the free time can. --[[User:EighenIndemnis|EighenIndemnis]] 15:37, 6 November 2007 (EST)
:You could use [[Template:Verify]] to indicate that something needs confirmation in the new version. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:47, 6 November 2007 (EST)

I have noticed an increase of pages in which only an old Wiki page is copied/pasted along with a warning that it was copied and thus may not be accurate. Is it just me or that's ''exactly'' what we didn't want to happen, and one of the reasons we started fresh with the new Wiki to begin with? --[[User:Eagle of Fire|Eagle of Fire]] 01:45, 9 November 2007 (EST)

== Basic Format ==

I think the [[Farming]] page is a good format for most of the key pages, perhaps the structure from the archive should be followed. --[[User:Infinity|Infinity]] 05:56, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:Agreed, I've tried to copy this style on several pages, e.g. [[Gear Assembly]]. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 23:30, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

I would like to add a request for a 'build tree' of sorts. It would, for example, make figuring out how to get iron bars a whole lot less frustrating. --[[User:Dogcow|Dogcow]] 17:18, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:Hello, I've added a whole page on the various metals you can make now. This is my first time editing a wiki so feel free to make corrections for me if you want, just leave me a message on the page letting me know where I went wrong. Also, since some Alloys involve smelting 3 bars of metal now, I have included a new template called Alloy3 to display these. I'm not sure on the colors though so have at it where I'm off :) --[[User:Chthon|Chthon]] 11:33, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

:Would like to second the build-tree suggestion. New player here, and I use the wiki to reference items I require but do not know how to build. I may be a bit slow, but it took me half a year to figure out I needed a Weaponsmith to make new Iron Picks. The wiki page only mentions the Metalsmith's Forge, and it never occurred to me that Weaponsmiths use the same workshop, since a pick is physically both wood and iron. Having a description that says exactly what is needed to create an item would be very useful for new players. --[[User:T.D.|tuxdelux]] 15:15, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

::A pick is actually all iron, at the moment, no wood to it. I expect that Toady will eventually get to redoing that whole system, but I doubt that he'll touch it until then. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:21, 11 December 2008 (EST)

== Change guide? ==

Was just thinking, perhaps one of the links (or sections) on the main page should be a guide to the major changes between last version and this one. Yes, a TON of stuff has changed, but a lot also has not, and a lot of the core concepts are the same... so I would imagine many of us who have played the previous version(s) would love a section where we can see a list of new basics we have to learn, along with links to those things' individual pages... like, z-axis (obviously), mechanisms, fluid dynamics, nobles, elevation/slope, farming... you get the idea. --[[User:Cliffjeff|Cliffjeff]] 11:43, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

:Yea, I'm thinking not. Isn't the whole point of DF finding things out on your own? "Losing is Fun" and all that. Ok, so if we summarized all the changes, and someone (like me) didn't want to know we could not just not look at it right? What can I say? I'M WEAK! If we summarize the changes I will CONSUME it! (I'm only here because I still have another 6 hours of work before I can go home and try it!)

::Meanwhile, I'm lazy and stubborn and would love a consolidated list of only new things I need to know =p and I'm also trapped at work and unable to mess around in the game :( but if the whole point was finding out things on your own, why would we have a wiki? ;p --[[User:Cliffjeff|Cliffjeff]] 15:58, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

:::I agree, I think the change guide is a good idea, and it would also help us direct our attention at the articles that are likely to need the most work. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 16:01, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

::::It ought not to be very hard to generate a basic change guide based on the official change notes, and then update it as the details are discovered. --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 16:26, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

:::A change guide 'page' might be useful pointing out major differences but I think the style of the wiki should be aimed at new users who know nothing of previous versions. I think we should not compare old/vs new as a rule, but if necessary we should include comparisons at the bottom of a page as apposed to the main article. That is how I am writing my edits. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 23:26, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

::The thing is, the whole idea of the wiki kind of goes against 'finding things out on your own'. If you want to be completely surprised by a game, don't read a wiki specifically intended to reveal all the details about it... sure, we do put warnings on the most spoily stuff, but at the end of the day this is a Wiki intended to document everything about Dwarf Fortress, so just about every page is going to be a spoiler to some degree. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] 03:12, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

:To add my take on this subject... I think that this is a gigantic game, in some ways more complex then any of the Elder Scrolls game. I mean, in the ES games, you have weapons, armor and others... In this game you have an exceptionally large number of items of many different types and purposes... It's very difficult for newbies to fathom exactly what an item is used for. Without this Wiki, I think a lot of people would struggle with this game. [[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:59, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

:Although this is a bit late, Toady does summarize version changes in a text file in the game's main folder. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:21, 11 December 2008 (EST)

== Possible bugs ==

Hi, this is my first time writing to any wiki.

I am writing about possible bugs. I have seen, that some sections of this wiki contain information about bugs. I think I have found one, but don't where to put it, or whether it is already here. I am also sorry, if this isn't the right place. If so, please delete this entry.

Anyway, if your furniture stockpile isn't big enough, and you try to put furniture into a specific room,it is sometimes possible, that that furniture won't be put. Instead, it will be blinking forever. You can change it functioning (make bedroom, throne room...) but to be honest, I don't know if this item is actually there, or not.

== alternate site???? ==

there appears to be a very similar site at
http://dwarf.lendemaindeveille.com/index.php/Immigration
(not just that adress)
what is the diffrence???

That's the address which was originally used for the site, before Senso registered a separate domain for it (dwarffortresswiki.net). Both domains are valid and point to the same content, so they're interchangeable. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 20:59, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

== Shutting down the archive ==

In about two weeks, I will shutdown the read-only archive (http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net) as I believe we've been using the current versions long enough. I'm also looking at ways to reduce the server load, disk space used and bandwidth consumed. So there. If articles were not ported to the current wiki, please do ASAP. If you have objections, please speak now. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 12:33, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

:Regarding outright deletion: I'd prefer you didn't. Is there at least a way to preseve it in some downloadable format? The old version of the game was interesting in its intrinsic danger, and besides that, I have a succession game using that version. I think a downloadble, locally-running copy would be a good idea.--[[User:Dadamh|Dadamh]] 13:19, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

::Mediawiki allows for database dumps to be made. Any chance you could do this? I am interested in this content. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki - you'd just follow the procedures for an xml dump and make the resulting files available for a limited time. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 17:14, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

== PSA ==

While the intention is great, the main page isn't the place to post it.
It should be added to the editing/creating dialog, probably so that it appears under any previews, and above the actual editing box. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 16:53, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

:Gladly - just tell me how to do it without the required permissions. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 19:50, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

::It was my intention that you would bring it up to Senso to do it. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 22:35, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

:::Agreed, putting editing pet peeves at the top of the main page is overkill. Ask Senso to make the changes Edward suggests.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:34, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

:Frankly, I think it's important enough, and unknown enough, that it should stay on the front page. -- [[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 20:58, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

::If it does stay on the main page, professionalize it a bit more and remove the sigs. My vote's for taking it down anyways. I almost hit revert as a "knee-jerk response to vandalism". The main page article is not a place to air your grievances about how people edit. --[[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 06:02, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

:::If it could be moved to the Editing/Creating page, then I wouldn't object to moving it off the main page. But I'm on several wikis, and not one of them lists the sign-off info anywhere that's easy or intuitive to discover. [[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 20:06, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

::::It can be, it just needs edit permissions on the host. While it looks a tad better now (thanks RF), it's still entirely out of place. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 20:34, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

::::This is a very jarring thing to see on the main page. It is completely out of place and affects the first impression people get when they see the wiki. It just makes us look bad. Put the issue on Senso's talk page and he is likely to add it to the editing dialog, but it should be taken down first. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:34, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

::::I have removed the PSA under the premise that changes to the main page are wrong until proven right, rather than the other way around. We can return it after agreement has been reached regarding its presence. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 23:44, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

:I'll mess with the code today and include such a warning directly on the Editing template. I'm also tired of people not using signatures. --[[User:Senso|Senso]] 15:59, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

There may be a page in the MediaWiki namespace that can be used. [[Mediawiki:Edittools]] will add text _after_ the edit box; I don't know about before. I know Wikipedia has a feature for that but I think it's an extension. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 08:41, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Huh. after going through the source code I can now say there is NOT one - there's ones for all kinds of special cases (creating a page, recreating a deleted page, editing a protected page as an admin, editing a Mediawiki: page as an admin) but not one to just always show. Nevermind, then [[User:Random832|Random832]] 08:54, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

:I don't even see a huge problem with people not signing their posts, anyway. If a person only makes one or two posts, knowing their "name" isn't important. People who intend to stick around should be [[template:newbie|clued in]].--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 15:39, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

== Lets Download Dwarf Fortress! ==

Well you can't, and that's the issue. Are there any plans on changing the main page's link to a mirror? Since this wiki comes in second on Google only to the official Bay 12 homepage, it'd make sense for there to be a working download for potential players. [[User:Raithah|Raithah]] 01:05, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

: I added the links for mirrors 2-4 to the downtime notice. "Mirror" 1 is B12G itself. - [[User:FunnyMan|FunnyMan]] 01:15, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
::Per my PM to FunnyMan, is there a mirror link available for the Mac version? These are just the Windows version. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 21:35, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
::Though for obvious reasons I am unable to vouch for it's integrity (ie. infected by virus, spyware, etc.), [http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Games/Dwarf-Fortress.shtml|Softpedia] has a mirror of the most recent version, OS X edition. [[User:Raithah|Raithah]] 00:33, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
:::The download link is just the Bay12 site again, which is down, however Funnyman has just added a Mac download mirror link to the main page. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 16:26, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

== ETA? ==

I miss Bay 12 Games! Does anyone have any idea when we should be getting it back? I just want to know if I should stop constantly clicking my bookmark and sit back and wait for a few weeks. --[[User:Zoodle|Zoodle]] 16:23, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

: I think it's safe to say that since we can't make donations to Toady while the site's down, it'll be back up pretty soon. --[[User:Fossaman|Fossaman]] 13:58, 27 October 2008 (PDT)
::You can make donations: if you go to an archived version of the page, the paypal buttons still work since paypal didn't crash. According to Toady on at least two occasions, the site was supposed to be back up today (monday). But that doesn't seem to be happening. It should happen soon, though. --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 22:23, 27 October 2008 (EDT)

::Looks like the main site just came back up. The forums are still not back up yet, though I imagine they will be within the next few hours. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 08:32, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

::You'll be pleased to know that the forums are now back up as well, and seem to be functioning normally. [[User:Ryo|Ryo]] 13:00, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

::So Random### decided to say that the forums are '''not''' up. Last I checked, being able to reach the "you are banned" screen means the forums are back up. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:16, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
...huh? (way to insult me behind my back btw - if you have something to say, next time say it on [[user talk:random832|my talk page]]) - anyway, it was a DNS problem, and the page I did see was a PHP error message, NOT a forum software "you are banned" messages. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 16:35, 10 November 2008 (EST)

== Forums? ==

A short time ago but after the forums crashed I got a pair of PMs claiming to be from the bay12games forum.

Are these forums up somewhere, or how would I explain those PMs? – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]]

:Last I checked, the b12g forums were actually back up and linked to from the bay12games site. <_< --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:47, 20 November 2008 (EST)

::Nope, when I go to /forum/ I just get a mostly-empty directory view --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 09:14, 21 November 2008 (EST)

DNS problems. See instructions at http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=34213 . [[User:Random832|Random832]] 11:57, 21 November 2008 (EST)

:Not helpful- I've already flushed my DNS several times, used ''different'' DNS's, and tried that fix- I'm still getting the 'empty' forum folder. And according to cmd>ping, the DNS addresses are already correct.

::Strange. Try going specifically to http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 22:21, 21 November 2008 (EST)

:::404, actually --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 01:03, 22 November 2008 (EST)

::::OK then, what IP address is it indicating when you ping the server (which you mentioned above)? The new, current IP (which I double checked) for bay12games.com is 216.97.239.212. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 03:59, 22 November 2008 (EST)

::::That -is- the IP ._. In fact, that`s been the IP for months.
::::That said, manually going to http://216.97.239.212/forum/ worked, but trying to click -anything- redirects me to a 404 on bay12games.com/forum/. About the only other thing I can see is that I'm getting wwwRedirect in the GET string.
:::: Hm, found what may be the issue. Despite having flushed/registered the DNS a week or so ago, my DNS records still have the wrong IP in for bay12games. Confusing as all get-out, since /dwarves/dev_now.html works fine for me. {{unsigned|Sukasa}}

:::::The ping command should resolve DNS entries exactly the same as your browser would, so that was why I was asking (i.e. "ping bay12games.com" should resolve to 216.97.239.212). Glad you've got it nailed down as a DNS issue though. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 19:25, 22 November 2008 (EST)
:::::Uh, by the way: do you access the internet through a router? Sometimes they can muck things up, and in fact I've seen one cause problems by caching DNS entries. Fixing such a problem would vary from one router to the next, though. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 19:34, 22 November 2008 (EST)

:::::It's a Linksys Router, yes. It's definitely not the router and instead my internal cache, since the problem persists even when I bring my laptop to work or to University. --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 23:53, 22 November 2008 (EST)

:::::Firefox also maintains its own cache, IIRC. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 11:13, 24 November 2008 (EST)

:::::Nah, I use Chrome. Anyways, managed to fix it, thanks for the help --[[User:Sukasa|Sukasa]] 16:51, 25 November 2008 (EST)

== Notice box at the top of Main Page ==

As we can see from the edit history, [[User:Alya|Alya]] states that "it was intended to ensure information from the old wiki didn't just get copied over; it isn't really needed anymore, especially that prominently." [[User:N9103|Edward]] replies, "Versions still update regularly, and accuracy should always be a priority." 
Right under "Download Dwarf Fortress" is emblazoned the same text as the notice box except for a reminder to ensure that info is accurate for the ''latest'' version. I'm inclined to think that the sort that wouldn't do that won't be listening to the notice box any more than Rules [[DwarfFortressWiki:Community_Portal#F|F]], [[DwarfFortressWiki:Community_Portal#V|V]], and sometimes [[DwarfFortressWiki:Community_Portal#Y|Y]]. No, ''especially'' Y. 
Opinions? 
--[[User:Savok|Savok]], 
not wanting to start revert wars at 00:44, 30 November 2008 (EST)

:I think that's going to end up being true, what with the current state of the average human brain. Though I'm fresh out of suggestions, except giant red blinking text. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 01:13, 30 November 2008 (EST)

:I have to agree with Alya. We barely have a problem with people adding inaccurate info of any kind, let alone outdated info. It gets outdated on its own, and if we're lucky, we spot it and fix it. We could toss the notice box altogether.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 02:25, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Consensus seems against me. Notice Removed. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 05:21, 30 November 2008 (EST)

== "Meeting Hall' page for general questions. ==

Wowwiki (for Warcraft and related things) has a 'Village pump' page, that functions as kind of a general question area. Is there something like that here, or could there be? I've seen references to the forums, but the links don't seem to work, usually, at least for me. (I'm on a company network, which may be why.) --[[User:Azaram|Azaram]] 23:03, 9 December 2008 (EST)

:I'd say the forums really are the best place for that stuff. It's a pity if you can't use 'em. But feel free to ask questions on any talk page on the wiki, however; there are plenty of people who watch [[Special:Recentchanges]].--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:00, 10 December 2008 (EST)

::Since Toady fairly recently restructured the forums, some of the links to them are still broken. If you can't access [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php the real forums], though, I can't help you.
::Like he said, most questions should be asked on the talk page of the appropriate subject, and we have enough people reading the changes in the wiki that you should be answered. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 11:21, 11 December 2008 (EST)

:This could be a good replacement for the currently (and for a good while now) unused [[Current_events]] page, perhaps changing it's title to something more appropriate, while maintaining it's presence as a 'Main Navigation Link'. That's my two dwarfbucks on ideas for a replacement for that page anyways. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 00:18, 30 December 2008 (EST)

::IMO, 95% of questions are asked on the appropriate talk page and 80% of the remaining could have been. I don't think that we need a "Gameplay Questions" area, since we've got a forum for that, like Maximus stated. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:25, 31 December 2008 (EST)

☼ ☼!!!!! I personally think it needs a sandbox page, where new, or even experienced who wnat to try a new thing, users can test stuff and see how to do things like upload images, or what the many edit buttons do.--[[User:Destor|Destor]] 01:23, 30 December 2008 (EST)☼ ☼

:Typically, any page under your username (like [[Special:Mypage/blah]]) is an appropriate sandbox page, for use when you need to disturb the wiki for more than a minute while getting some unusual formatting to work. When your code is normal, you can just use the preview button... --[[User:Savok|Savok]], a bit puzzled at 10:25, 31 December 2008 (EST)

== Latest Version ==
The latest version is 40d9. Is there a reason we're not linking to it yet? --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 17:55, 31 January 2009 (EST)

:Cause it's a beta of a beta. AKA it's unstable and not even a real version yet, more of a subversion. If that. It's cloudware - it exists but it's not very stable. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 18:07, 31 January 2009 (EST)

40d Talk:Cave-in

2009-01-31T17:37:38Z

GreyMario: /* Cave-in vs. objects */

Is this still valid? I recall that only truly disconnected areas cave in these days...

Yeah, this is what I've heard. I'm digging out a bunch of greater than 7x7 rooms now so we'll find out shortly.
--[[User:Karlito|Karlito]] 00:26, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

:I've dug out some big rooms (10x10 I think is the biggest so far) and not had a cave-in for a season or so. I'm thinking it only does it on disconnects. makes it ALOT easier to plan your fort out. --[[User:BurnedToast|BurnedToast]] 00:33, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

::No kidding. What are the chances of accidentally completely disconnecting an area? I think that Toady One is going to continue to tweak the cave-in circumstances, though, so some things that don't cave in now may in later versions. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 12:56, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

::Sorry, but I don't understand what a disconnected area is. Could you try to explain? [[User:Sinoth|sinoth]] 12:50, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

:::A disconnected section doesn't connect to the rest of the map. As far as I know, that means it checks above, below, north, south, east, and west of a block of stone for connecting blocks, and continues checking through them to make sure the section isn't isolated. Toady mentioned something along the lines of it only checking for disconnects around the area you are mining. If the section is isolated, each block of the disconnected section will fall straight down. That's the general idea, I believe, and such disconnects are not easy to create. --[[User:Janus|Janus]] 13:12, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

::::I can easily see how to create an isolated support, but how would you create an isolated room? The dwarves would have to get there somehow... Also, wouldn't an isolated room (with nothing on any side of it, including above) be less likely to collapse because there's nothing nearby to collapse into it? --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 13:49, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

:::::1. Build a box with constructed walls from the ground.
:::::2. Remove the construction connecting it to the ground.
:::::Also, an isolated room, would ''have'' to collapse, unless we've got anti-gravity-field-generators. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 14:59, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

:I've mined out several levels underground. Then I dug channels (carefully) around the edge of the top layer. Once the last channel section was finished... bam! Cave-in. Only, it didn't stop at the first level below. It kept going to the last level dug out, taking with it all the loose debris. If there are any BUILDINGS in the region that collapsed, they will break apart. --[[User:AzureLightning|AzureLightning]] 14:04, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

"Don't pay any attention to the information below this line! It is simply a placeholder!" - Why have it there if doesnt need to be? Take it away and re-add when something worthwhile is to be said. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 17:51, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

When building my underground farms with light access I had a lot of collapses but once the room was finished they ceased. There 8 by 8 and three floors down with open air access. I think a collapse happens if you have a room greater the 7x7 horizontally and more than 3 vertically. From what I've observed it seems like it only checks for a collapse every time a square is dug. --[[User:Lucid|Lucid]] 20:57, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

I dug an open pit in a sandy grassland region. The pit was 4x6 and one level below the surface. And yet, somehow I had a cave-in. It was minor, and only knocked my miner out for a few ticks, but I'm still trying to figure out why an open-air pit would register a cave-in. (In addition, nothing actually changed as far as the pit topography.) --[[User:RedKing|RedKing]] 01:58, 4 November 2007 (EDT)

:If you dig all the way around the edge then that causes a cave in, i.e if you make a C shape and then dig out the remaining wall the center will fall down. This will destroy any buildings underneath.[[User:Jikor|Jikor]]

== Avoiding ==

I removed the 7x7 info until someone can verify that it's relevant in the new version. I'd also be interested to know when rockslides or shearing happens. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 16:44, 13 November 2007 (EST)

:I can confirm that the 7x7 thing ISN'T valid as of 39e. I've had a 10x20 room with two solid layers on top of it for years and it hasn't collapsed. Only three walls, too. --[[User:CrazyEyes|CrazyEyes]] 11:00, 06 August 2008 (PST)

== Cave-Ins In and ice... ==

Cave ins aren't supposed to damage the floor below? Is this still valid? I found an occasion where they do.

As sometimes happens, one pond froze over on my map. I dug down under the ice, and removed the support from under an island in the centre of the pond. I also dug a room (crypt) under the pond.

When the ice melted come spring, the 'ground' on the surface of the pond lasted a few seconds before realising it should collapse, and when it DID collapse it punched a hole into the room BELOW the pond. I know the hole was punched there becase next winter the ice froze down to the room below ONLY in the tils right below where the cave in occured, the rest staying distinctly wet.

== Cave-ins and Ramps ==

I was under the impression that ramping the floor will dodge any cave in or isolation concerns that occur with channels, however, this is not the case, if a tile has water on it and is the last of adjacent tiles to be ramped there will be a cave-in. Is this due to water having weight and a feature or a bug?
--[[User:Stalinbulldog|Stalinbulldog]] 11:56, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

== Confirmed ==

"Any item caught under falling natural terrain is encased in stone and must be dug out destroyed completely."
I saw this has a "Verify" next to it. I have a video that confirmed it(started a hermit challenge). Here is the link ->http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-1001#lastComment --[[User:0todd0|0todd0]] 01:04, 23 December 2008 (EST)

:I honestly don't see how this verifies the statement. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 00:31, 24 December 2008 (EST)

::I've verified that falling floor tiles will cause damage to whatever they hit but they don't destroy items. Falling walls will completely obliterate anything beneath them, with the exception of constructed walls which work like floor tiles. I've also noticed dust pushes items as well as units. Note that I'm using version 40d9. --[[User:Xonara|Xonara]] 00:54, 24 January 2009 (EST)

== Cave-in vs. objects ==

I'm pretty damn sure I've destroyed a unit of fire imp fat using a dropped (and constructed, no less) floor tile. 40d, too. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 19:21, 24 January 2009 (EST)
:IIRC the movie above shows some bituminous coal surviving some falling floor. I tested it with some kind of yellow stone and a mechanism and it didn't seem to destroy anything, just pushed the stuff around. Are you sure it didn't get pushed off a cliff or into some magma or something? I don't know :/ --[[User:Xonara|Xonara]] 04:32, 25 January 2009 (EST)
::It was nowhere near magma or cliff. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 12:37, 31 January 2009 (EST)

40d:Underground river

2009-01-30T18:27:06Z

GreyMario:

'''Underground rivers''' occur in almost every region with a [[mountain]] biome, similar to the appearance patters of [[adamantine]].

In maps without any underground [[soil]] or aboveground herbs to harvest (so you can therefore get their seeds and begin farming aboveground) these can be a blessing, but on others it can be a hindrance.

The underground river is commonly filled with aggressive creatures such as [[snakeman|snakemen]], [[olmman|olmmen]], [[giant olm|giant olms]] and [[cave crocodile]]s. These can interrupt the work of any [[dwarf]] within line of sight, and can thus be a real nuisance.

The [[water]] sources for underground rivers are [[waterfall]] tiles.

Underground rivers are 2 to 5 tiles wide and while they often flow in a straight line, they can twist and turn across the entire region tile they are in.

[[Category:World]]

40d:Clothing industry

2009-01-28T07:16:29Z

GreyMario:

This article is a quick guide to running a self-sufficient '''clothing industry'''.

First grow and harvest the plants, then process the plants to thread, next weave the thread into cloth, and finally turn the cloth into clothes.

==Plants==
''Requires: A [[farm]], a [[farmer]], and the appropriate [[seeds]]''

There are six [[crops]] that you can [[Farming|grow]] that are used in the clothing industry. Note that if you don't want to grow them you can [[Trading|trade]] for them or, if they are an above ground crop, you can [[herbalist|gather]] them.

=====Under ground=====
*[[Pig tail]]s are used to make [[#Thread|thread]], and can be grown in Summer and Autumn.
*[[Dimple cup]]s are used to make [[#Dyeing|dye]], and can be grown all year round.

=====Above ground=====
*[[Rope reed]] is used to make [[#Thread|thread]], and can be grown all year round.
*[[Hide root]], [[Sliver barb]] and [[Blade weed]] can be used to make [[#Dyeing|dye]], and can be grown all year round.

==Thread==
''Requires: A [[farmer's workshop]], a [[thresher]], and the appropriate [[#plants|plant]]''

Once you have harvested the plants you must process the pig tails and/or rope weed at the [[farmer's workshop]]. Alternatively you can [[trade]] for thread directly.

In the farmer's workship there are several options for processing plants: either to [[bag]], [[barrel]], [[vial]], or normal. To create thread you want to select normal. The other options produce different products, such as [[#Dyeing|dye]] and [[flour]].

==Cloth==
''Requires: A [[loom]], a [[weaver]], and some [[#Thread|thread]]''

By default any thread produced will be automatically woven at the loom. You may want to turn this off if you intend to [[#Dyeing|dye]] the thread.

==Clothes==
''Requires: A [[clothier's shop]], a [[clothier]], and some [[#Cloth|cloth]]''

Once the cloth is ready you can sew it into [[clothes]], either for [[trading]] or for your own [[dwarves]] to wear.

==Dyeing==
Dyeing is very useful because it adds to the [[value]] of the finished clothes. You can dye either thread or cloth to increase its value. Cloth created from dyed thread cannot be dyed.
=====Creating dye=====
''Requires: A [[mill]] or [[quern]], a [[miller]], an empty [[bag]], and the appropriate [[#Plants|plant]]''

Once you have harvested or bought the plants, you can mill them into dye.

=====Using dye=====
''Requires: A [[dyer's shop]], a [[dyer]], and some dye''

Having the dye, you can dip the clothes or thread into it to increase its value.

==Summary==
=====Required worker / labor=====
*[[Grower]] / Field working
*[[Thresher]] / Plant processor
*[[Weaver]] / Weaving
*[[Clothier]] / Clothes making
*[[Miller]] / [[Milling]]
*[[Dyer]] / Dyeing

=====Required buildings=====
*[[Farm]]
*[[Farmer's workshop]]
*[[Loom]]
*[[Clothier's shop]]
*Either a [[Millstone]] or a [[Quern]]
**A Millstone requires a millstone item and a power connection. A Quern only requires a quern item.
*[[Dyer's shop]] which also requires
**[[Barrel]]
**[[Bucket]]

==See Also==
*[[Clothing]]
*[[Farming]]
*[[Industry]]

{{Farming FAQ}}
{{Workshops FAQ}}
[[Category:Guides]]
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40d:Tree

2009-01-27T17:56:36Z

GreyMario: typo

Across the [[world]], '''trees''' can found littering the landscape. They are a great renewable source of [[wood]], and there are many different varieties that grow in different [[biomes]]. While [[tower cap]]s grow indoors, every other variety occurs only outdoors.

''Trees'' are a type of [[map tile]], not [[construction]]s, similar to solid [[rock]] or [[bush]]es. They must be designated for removal from the [[designations|{{Key|d}}esignations menu]] chop {{k|t}}rees, which will instruct [[dwarves]] with the [[woodcutter]] skill to grab an [[axe]] and begin chopping down the tree.

Trees grow from saplings, which start growing randomly on tiles of a suitable biome. Saplings can be destroyed by heavy [[traffic]]. To grow from a sapling to a tree takes about a year and a half.

Trees viewed from one tile above look like coloured [[stone]] [[block]]s floating in the air. Also, deciduous trees will change colour to red or yellow in [[autumn]], and lose their leaves in [[winter]]: {{tile|╞|#770}}.

Trees also gain names near [[elf|elven]] settlements. Although it is unclear what effect this has on gameplay, if any at all.

Trees ''will not'' as of yet be destroyed by [[magma]] or [[fire]] (nor will [[water]] damage them in any way).
Saplings can 'drown' in water and magma, though.

== List of Trees ==

{| {{prettytable}}
|- style="background:#ddd"
! Tree Name
! Habitat !! Tile !! Alignment !! Density !! Deciduous
|-
! id="mangrove"|Mangrove
| Mangrove Swamp (Wet) || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || All || Default (500) || No
|-
! id="saguaro"|Saguaro
| Any Desert (Dry) || {{tile|╞|green|black}} || All || Default || No
|-
! id="pine"|Pine
| Taiga Forest (Dry) Temperate Conifer Forest Tropical Conifer Forest || {{tile|↑|green|black}} || All || 560 || No
|-
! id="cedar"|Cedar
| Temperate Conifer Forest (Dry) Tropical Conifer Forest || {{tile|↨|green|black}} || All || 380 || No
|-
! id="oak"|Oak
| Any Temperate Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|♠|green|black}} || All || 700 || Yes
|-
! id="mahogany"|Mahogany
| Any Tropical Forest (Dry) || {{tile|♠|green|black}} || All || 600 || No
|-
! id="acacia"|Acacia
| Tropical Dry Broadleaf Forest (Dry) Tropical Grassland Tropical Savanna Tropical Shrubland || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || All || Default || No
|-
! id="kapok"|Kapok
| Tropical Moist Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|Γ|green|black}} || All || Default || No
|-
! id="maple"|Maple
| Temperate Broadleaf Forest (Dry) Temperate Grassland Temperate Savanna Temperate Shrubland || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || All || 755 || Yes
|-
! id="willow"|Willow
| Any Temperate (Wet) Any Tropical Forest Tropical Grassland Tropical Savanna Tropical Shrubland Tropical Freshwater Swamp Tropical Saltwater Swamp Tropical Freshwater Marsh Tropical Saltwater Marsh || {{tile|⌠|green|black}} || All || 420 || No
|-
! id="tower-cap"|[[Tower-cap]]
| Subterranean Water (Wet)(Dry) || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || All || 600 || No
|-
! id="glumprong"|Glumprong
| Not Freezing (Dry) || {{tile|┤|green|black}} || Evil || 1200 || No
|-
! id="feathertree"|Feather tree
| Not Freezing (Dry) || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || Good || 100 || No
|-
! id="highwood"|Highwood
| Not Freezing (Dry) || {{tile|¶|green|black}} || Savage || 500 || No
|-
! id="larch"|Larch
| Taiga Forest (Dry) Temperate Conifer Forest || {{tile|↑|green|black}} || All || 590 || Yes
|-
! id="chestnut"|Chestnut
| Any Temperate Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|♠|green|black}} || All || 500 || Yes
|-
! id="alder"|Alder
| Any Temperate Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || All || 410 || Yes
|-
! id="birch"|Birch
| Any Temperate Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|♣|green|black}} || All || 670 || Yes
|-
! id="ashtree"|Ash
| Any Temperate Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|♠|green|black}} || All || 620 || Yes
|-
! id="candlenut"|Candlenut
| Any Tropical Forest (Dry) || {{tile|Γ|green|black}} || All || Default || No
|-
! id="mangotree"|Mango tree
| Any Tropical Forest (Dry) || {{tile|Γ|green|black}} || All || Default || No
|-
! id="rubbertree"|Rubber tree
| Tropical Moist Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|Γ|green|black}} || All || Default || No
|-
! id="cacaotree"|Cacao tree
| Tropical Moist Broadleaf Forest (Dry) || {{tile|Γ|green|black}} || All || Default || No
|-
! id="palm"|Palm
| Any Tropical (Dry) || {{tile|Γ|green|black}} || All || Default || No
|}

[[Category:Map tiles]][[Category:Trees]]

40d Talk:Cave-in

2009-01-25T00:21:27Z

GreyMario: Cave-in vs. objects

Talk:IRC

2009-01-22T18:47:48Z

GreyMario: New page: Useless page. Would have done much better as a small notice within the links section. --~~~~

Useless page. Would have done much better as a small notice within the links section. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 13:47, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Main Page/Quote

2009-01-21T01:24:11Z

GreyMario: l2/edit quote page

{{Choose|c={{#if: {{{1|}}}|{{rand|57}}|{{#expr: ({{rand2|10}}+47)}} }}
|I can't put my finger on it. Something about this [[Fire|‼]]Cat tallow roast[[Fire|‼]] tastes funny.
|Toady withdraws from society. Toady has begun a [[Strange_mood|mysterious]] construction!
|Let us never forget the last words of Inod the Stoker, [http://archive.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Fortress_Paintrag#1056 "Aaah! Gorillas!"]
|[[Children|Newborn]] Zuglar Baldnessgranite prefers to consume Gorilla. A sure sign of his unparalleled strength!
|[http://www.somethingawful.com/d/video-game-article/duke-nukem-image.php In an unrelated article] - I had no idea elephants could bounce that high!
|[[Toady]] looses a roaring laughter, [[Fey|fell]] and terrible! Toady has butchered a spammer!
|The critical question is this''':''' do elf bones yield more crossbow bolts than the average number of bolts necessary to kill an elf?
|"Dwarf Fortress" ... "Like chess, only with short people that can catch on [[fire]] like [[clothing|rags]] soaked in tar, and lots of [[booze]]." ... "Like chess."
|Dwarf Fortress has taught me that all the world's problems would be substantially reduced had our parent civilizations never minted more than four stacks of [[coins]].
|Booze does all the work in forts. Dwarves are just booze exoskeletons.
|My unconscious and bleeding [[mayor]] just mandated the construction of some goods.
|I can just imagine a wagon throwing a tantrum and tossing all its contents at people.
|Döbesh Udosdeb has been ecstatic lately. He was forced to eat a friend to survive. He enjoyed a truly decadent meal.
|Iron [[screw pump]] exercise equipment. Pump iron and get superdwarvenly strong!
|The violence, aggression, pain, madness, sadness of the ASCII characters never ceases to amaze me...
|Wait, you're MAKING animals? —''Torak'' At this moment, yes, I am smelting cows. —''Spiders Everywhere''
|"Didn't you read the manual? He he he he... the manual... ..." --[[Toady One]]
|(Compared to real-world years) Dwarven years are shorter. --Sowelu Very fitting to dwarves, I must add. --Sean Mirrsen
|[[Magma]] is not a [[water]] source. Dwarves can't drink it or supply it to their wounded. --[[User:AlienChickenPie|AlienChickenPie]]
|"<nowiki>[B]</nowiki>oats are the enemy of tiles. And tiles are the enemy of boats." --[[Toady One]]
|"I went through and fixed a few places where forbidden/on fire weren't being respected for next time. Burning milkable creatures were still a problem for example." --[[Toady One]]
|"You have been processed! Go forth, now, and edit!" --[[User:Savok|Savok]]
|"What happened in 1048?" "Jreengus occurred."
|Making rock instruments isn't nearly as awesome as it sounds --Shandrunn
|The cyclops I was quested to kill had a thousand year history of badassery, and all of that without the leg it lost in the Year 3 (a dwarf bit it off... I should probably deal with that). --[[Toady One]]
|[FIREIMMUNE] makes them think that [[magma]] is safe but doesn't actually make them fireproof. This can lead to some rather interesting results.
|Endok Cerolneth has begun a mysterious construction!
Endok Cerolneth, Planter has given birth to a girl.
|"Incendia sunt socia vestra, armaque vestra, fortesque Montis Domi." "Magma is your ally, your weapon, the strength of the Mountain-Home." --Eita
|"Stopped people from giving quests to kill themselves." --[[Toady One]]
|"...And I simply doubt we have a need for 7 fishery workers. On top of that, a second soap maker. The hell IS soap?!" --Zero
|"This is a terrible pun. All craftsdwarfship is of the poorest quality." - [http://tinyurl.com/6yruly Soup_alex]
|"The default mental state of a dwarf is madness. Sanity is a temporary condition - a PRIVILEGE you have to EARN!" --[[User:Fedor|Fedor]]
|"Why get normal cats? I buy lolcats in the embark screen. Much more fun to engrave about them." --Yanlin
|"Dwarf Fortress taught me it was okay to make a suit out of my neighbour's skin, as long as I gave it a name."
|"Got rid of world gen crash during succession after death of prolific long-standing position holders with inbred descendants" --[[Toady One]]
|"There was a typo in the siegers' campfire code. When the fires went out, so did the game." --[[Toady One]]
|"Hey, what does that flashing red and orange text mean? What? Why is there smoke everywhere? Oh god, are those BABIES on fire?" --[[User:StrawberryBunny|StrawberryBunny]]
|"It's never 'just a game' when you're losing." --George Carlin (if he played Dwarf Fortress)
|Not that building a bridge out of soap makes much sense to begin with anyway.
|Note that while you cannot milk larger animals yourself, civilizations can still milk animals "off screen" for your benefit.
|Tosid Idenarzes likes tentacle demons for their corrupt intentions. "There! Now we've covered all of the seven deadly sins."
|"Litast Idenudesh, baby, is throwing a tantrum! Inod Litastrilem, Mayor, has lost consciousness. Inod Litastrilem, Mayor, has bled to death."
|"Known bug #780: Town guard becomes a criminal after getting an adventurer's stolen weapon stuck in his body."
|"Udib Toblumaid, Axedwarf, cancels sparring in Barracks: too insane." [[User:Ben jamm1n|Ben jamm1n]]
|Kosoth Cilobonol, Bone Carver cancels Drink: Unconscious.
|Sizir the Snail of Bait is a deity of The Fresh Towers. Sizir most often takes the form of a female dwarf and is associated with jealousy.
|Sibrek Tanbim likes Limestone, Tin, Smoky Quartz, the color crimson, bolts, scepters, anvils, and rock blocks for their lack of quality levels.
|Most vermin teleport, so nothing actually contains them. -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]]
|There are 5 articles in cateogory Lore: Armok, Cave Adaptation, Elephant, Philosopher, and Vomit.
|Fixed Bug #888: There was an alligator drunk
|Fixed Bug #563: Mayor ordered himself beaten for failing to make crystal glass
|If cow cheese is made from cow's milk, what is dwarven cheese made of?
|What constitutes "sunday best" for dwarves? Is that when they actually wipe some of the blood and vomit off their clothes? --Kuli
|Bugs are opportunities to cause unprecedented amounts of destruction. --Zorgn
|"You know, Urist, You've got a mind like an +Ash Trap+."--[[User:Destor|Destor]]
|Worst animal rights defense: "I had to [http://www.mkv25.net/dfma/movie-355-bodypartexplosion kill off most of my animals] because my FPS was suffering." --steb
|Nothing a magma bath won't fix. Magma: nature's fix it all --Luke_Prowler
}}<noinclude>[[Category:Humor and stories]]</noinclude>

40d Talk:Quickstart guide

2009-01-20T02:35:32Z

GreyMario: /* savegame seems to be bugged */

So, this page is kinda pointless as it stands. It doesn't really provide anything that isn't on the far superior [[Your first fortress]] guide, yet we still link to it from the front page. 
I'm thinking of taking it in a different direction entirely and providing a ready-made save, maybe one month in, to use as a tutorial. This gets new players past the fiddly min-maxing of the embark screen and provides the essentials, so they can get right to work learning the interface. --[[User:Walliard|Walliard]] 21:14, 10 December 2008 (EST)
:That's a good idea, but ... are you thinking of doing it, or doing it? Cause if you don't I will. On that note, does anyone have any suggestions for what to put in the saved game? My thoughts:
:*Bedrooms complete
:*Dining hall setup
:*All dwarves idle in meeting hall
:**Miners just about to dig out a new passage
:**Other dwarves about to bring food to a new stockpile
:*???
:*Profit
:--[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 20:41, 11 December 2008 (EST)

== Catsplosion advisable? ==

Why are we giving the absolute and utter newbies the seeds of a catsplosion with no cages etc to let them solve the problem? By the time they learn what to do about it, they might already be too late to stop it, and flaming out of the -quickstart tutorial- of a game is possibly one of the most depressing things a newbie can do. I strongly suggest upping a save without two cats. --[[User:LucienSadi|LucienSadi]] 02:56, 14 December 2008 (EST)

:I could do that, but sticking it in a cage instead would be a lot simpler for me. Would that be sufficient? --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 03:52, 14 December 2008 (EST)

::Sure, just tag on a warning as well (if you haven't done so already) --[[User:LucienSadi|LucienSadi]] 07:07, 16 December 2008 (EST)

== Images ==

They aren't ''worse'' than ugly, but they ''are'' ugly (and large). If there's ever any chance to redo the images, we've got to make sure they follow {{rule|I}}, which means that they should be the unstretched, unblurred default tileset, and that they should be .pngs. 

::...I'm pretty sure that's the standard 800x600 tileset. It looks neither stretched nor blurred to me. They should be made .pngs, but that didn't sound like your only problem. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 14:39, 16 December 2008 (EST)

:::I think "standard tileset" may need clarifying. See [[DwarfFortressWiki_talk:Community_Portal#I]].
:::Examples of images:
:::*[[:Image:Tunnel_in_local_view.png]]
:::**is blurred
:::**uses the default/standard tileset
:::**is not stretched
:::**is a .png
:::*[[:Image:Qs02.JPG]]
:::**is not blurred
:::**uses the default/standard tileset
:::**is stretched
:::**is not a .png
:::*[[:Image:Human_roads.png]]
:::**is blurred
:::**does not use the default/standard tileset
:::**is stretched
:::**is a .png
:::Note that the default "800x600" tileset under the default settings is stretched by 2x vertically if you don't alter grid size/use blackspace.
:::Sorry for the long list. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 17:11, 16 December 2008 (EST)

:Since blackspace is set to NO by default, I think that makes 'stretched' the default for the 800x600 tileset, or rather, I would consider it 'stretched' to have something other than a 2:1 h:w ratio with the 800x600 tileset because that's different than what the game does by default and so is stretched relative to the default settings. I will agree that non-default tilesets are bad, and that blurriness is bad, but we should show people what they would expect to see in the game if they don't touch the .ini file. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 17:34, 16 December 2008 (EST)

::Squirreloid is correct, I took the screenshots in full-screen "stretched" mode because I thought that that is what a new player would be seeing. -- [[User:Juckto|juckto]] 18:20, 16 December 2008 (EST)~

My general stance on images in general is that they be:
* Understandable to whomever views them -- this means standard tileset in most cases, though a custom symbol here and there is okay as long as it isn't important to the actual thing being illustrated. It also means standard color set, generally. I have my doubts about stretched/resized fonts being hard to understand unless they are outright distorted.
* As small, byte-wise, as possible. Ideally, this means well-compressed 256-color pngs, and not double-sized (something I have been guilty of) or the like. However, as long as you upload in some lossless format (png or gif), others can optimize the actual file.
--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 16:09, 17 December 2008 (EST)

==and init.txt==
Also, it may help to include the init folder as well. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 10:36, 16 December 2008 (EST)
:What does adding the init folder achieve? --[[User:Juckto|juckto]] 14:42, 16 December 2008 (EST)
::Adding the init folder would help if you've changed init settings. You don't talk about that in the article, and boy can init settings be important. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 17:11, 16 December 2008 (EST)
:::Yes I have changed my init settings, but I don't see how any of the changes I've made would make any real difference to a new player playing this quickstart game. -- [[User:Juckto|juckto]] 18:20, 16 December 2008 (EST)~

== savegame seems to be bugged ==

<blockquote>Missing Creature Body Definition: CAT_MOUTH

get spouted on me every time I try to load the savegame.

on 28.181.40d and a recently installed DF</blockquote> The above unsigned comment was added by [[User:Loatroll|Loatroll]].

This is because the dumbass who made the savegame didn't use the default raws like they were supposed to. I've removed the link. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 13:37, 19 January 2009 (EST)
:rather, the guy used what looks like a bugfixed raw (based off the fact that it's a modified cat mouth - which was probably added for the sake of avoiding the "cat cancels show item to owner - too injured" messages. Toady One probably has this fixed on his end.) the person is probably NOT a dumbass, it's just that the default raws are buggy with respect to cats, and just about everyone that reports that bug gets redirected to the sticky on the forums. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:06, 19 January 2009 (EST)

::But using savegames that use modified raws is against common sense, especially in a newbie guide. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 21:35, 19 January 2009 (EST)

40d:Quickstart guide

2009-01-19T18:41:02Z

GreyMario:

This guide is intended to be used in conjunction with a save file which was originally available for download, but removed from this page as it did not use the default [[raw file]]s. By downloading it and unzipping it to your Dwarf Fortress directory you will be able to jump straight into a game where the first few hurdles have been overcome - a world has been generated, a location for the fort been selected, the starting skills and items have been bought, and the basic components of the fort completed.

{{Colored Notice Box|#AA0|I've removed the link to the download for the save file because it didn't use the default raws (it defined CAT_MOUTH to fix "[[Cat cancels Store Item in Stockpile: Too injured]]"). On a side note, this guide seems a bit overly complicated. Maybe someone should clean it up. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 13:41, 19 January 2009 (EST)}}

This guide aims to explain what the graphics represent, how the menu and interface system works, and guide you through ordering your dwarves to perform a few simple tasks.

This guide and associated save file was created using version '''v0.28.181.40d'''.

==What you will see when you load the game==
[[Image:Qs01.JPG]]

The game will begin paused (don't unpause yet), centred on the [[meeting hall]] where all 7 of your starting [[dwarves]] are currently relaxing. The screen is divided into three sections. On the left is the active window, this is where you will see dwarves move around and where you issue orders. In the middle is the menu window. On the right is the fort view which gives you an overall view of the level (it's effectively a zoomed-out version of the active window.

You can rearrange this screen by pressing {{k|Tab}}. Press it a few times to enlarge the active window to maximum so we can have a look around.

[[Image:Qs02.JPG]]

Now we can see what is on the right of our meeting hall - it's unexplored underground space, shown by the large black area with scattered grey percentage signs and commas. The brown line is where I've ordered the miners to dig a new, explatory passage which I hope will find some minerals, gems or such. We'll cover how to order miners [[#Designation menu|below]].

By using the numpad keys you can move the active screen around and explore. What you will discover is compiled below, with key points highlighted.

[[Image:Qs03.jpg]]

The grey line that run roughly down the centre of the image is the side of the mountain, you can see I've carved the fort straight into the side of it. On the lower left is a greenish area with a few blue patches. This is a mixture of grass, bushes, trees, and water. As opposed to the grey tiles in the centre which represent bare rock.

On the top left you will notice a lot of small dots and a blue haze. This is empty space. For you see although Dwarf Fortress may appear to be a 2D game it is in fact 3D. You are currently looking at the birds eye perspective of one [[z-level]]. If you were to move the active window down one level the empty space would become ground and the ground would become unexplored underground space. You can move the screen up and down by pressing {{k|<}} and {{k|>}} respectively (don't forget to hold on {{k|Shift}}!).

That's enough looking around, it's time to ...

==Meet your dwarves==
====Dwarves====
You currently have 7 dwarves and I've set up their skills and even given them nicknames to help you keep them sorted.
*'''Sue''' is a [[miner]]. Because mining is an important task I've disabled all her other labors so all she will do is mine - if you don't have any mining work designated for her to do she will return to the meeting hall.
*'''Mary''' is a miner exactly the same as Sue.
*'''Jane''' is a [[woodworker]]. She carries a [[battleaxe]] she uses to chop down [[tree]]s and can then carve them into usable products at the [[carpenter's workshop]]. She also has a few skill points in [[Axedwarf]], just in case you need to [[draft]] her into the [[military]].
*'''Juliet''' is a stoneworker. She has several skill points in [[mason]]ry so she can carve rock thrones, tables, doors and other such things. She also has a few skill points in [[mechanic]]s so she can build rock [[mechanism]]s, which are required to create [[trap]]s and some [[machine]]s.
*'''Rachel''' is a craftdwarf. She has plenty of points in [[stone crafter|stone crafting]] so she can make trade goods before the Autumn [[caravan]] arrives. She also has a few points in [[bone carving]] so could make bone or shell armour from any creatures you kill.
*'''Jack''' (yay a male at last!) is a [[fisherdwarf]]. He will spend most of his time at ponds or creeks catching [[fish]]/[[turtle]] and leaving them on the shore to [[rot]].
*'''Robert''' is a [[farmer]]. He can plant [[seed]]s at the farm and [[brew]] the mature plants into [[alcohol]] or [[cook]] them into [[food]].
====Creatures====
You also have:
*2 [[cat]]s, which will hunt [[vermin]] for you. The female cat has been caged (for now) to prevent a [[catsplosion]].
*2 [[dog]]s, which will hang around in the meeting hall most of the time. They will attack [[invader|intruders]] if they get close, or can be [[kennel|trained]], or [[assign animal|leashed up]] to guard the entrance.
*A [[horse]] and a [[mule]]. If you get a male horse you can start breeding horses for [[meat]] and [[leather]], however mules never breed.

====Items====
Most of your supplies are still in the [[wagon]]. You have:
*Plenty of food and alcohol.
*An [[anvil]].
*A few [[seed]]s.

==Unpause the game==
[[Image:Qs04.JPG|right]]
That's enough introductions, time to get the game going. Once you unpause you will notice the dwarves scatter. Before saving the game I created a food [[stockpile]] in the pantry, most of the dwarves have gone to haul the food from the wagon to inside. Whereas Jack is going to fish, and the miners will begin mining.

There are, however, several things I left unfinished for you to practice on. So let's hit {{K|Tab}} to bring the menu window back. I'll be referring to it from now on, and generally it's easier to play with it there constantly.

 

==Set tasks in workshops==
<div style="display:inline; float:right; align:center;"><gallery widths="200px" heights="80px" perrow="1">
Image:Qs05.JPG|Fig 5: Selecting the craftshop
Image:Qs06.JPG|Fig 6: Setting the tasks
</gallery></div>
We've got a craftdwarf's workshop all setup and ready to go but currently there are no work tasks there and Rachel is just going to ignore it. We want to use the <tt>Set Building Tasks/Preferences</tt> menu, {{k|q}}. Once you hit {{k|q}} a yellow cursor will appear, simply move it around until you have the craft workshop selected.

Now the menu window displays the options for that building. Each different kind of building will have a different set of options. We want to {{k|a}}dd a new task. We are presented with a list of tasks (Figure 6A) to choose from. Our miners have left plenty of rock lying around, so let's select that, {{k|g}}.

We get yet another list of tasks (Figure 6B). Select rock crafts by pressing {{k|Enter}} and it will return to the first menu which will now have one task listed (Figure 6C). We may as well add the other three kinds of rock goods, and then set them to repeat by pressing {{k|r}} (figure 6D).

If a task is set to repeat then once it's completed it returns to the end of the task list, instead of being removed from the list. So now Rachel will sit in her shop constantly producing goods.

There is one other step though: making sure she doesn't get distracted by other jobs.
 
==Setting job preferences==
<div style="display:inline; float:right; align:center;"><gallery widths="200px" heights="80px" perrow="1">
Image:Qs07.JPG|Fig 7: Open the unit list
Image:Qs08.JPG|Fig 8: Zoom to Rachel
Image:Qs09.JPG|Fig 9: Go to her preferences sub-menu and disable all the hauling tasks
</gallery></div>
By setting your dwarves to only perform one or two different labors you can ensure they spend all their time completing that job instead of running all round the fortress like headless chickens, trying to do everything at once.

First you need to find the dwarf in question. Now you can either use the <tt>{{k|v}}iew units</tt> option and hunt around the map until you locate the dwarf, or you can do it the smart way. Open up the <tt>{{k|u}}nit list</tt> and you'll get a screen like figure 7.

Now scroll down to the dwarf you want and press <tt>Zoom {{k|c}}reature</tt>. This will centre the screen on the unit and open the <tt>{{k|v}}iew units</tt> mode. So you'll see figure 8.

From here we can get a lot of information on the dwarf. At the moment we're looking at {{k|g}}eneral, but there is also {{k|i}}nventory, {{k|p}}references, and {{k|w}}ounds. Go to {{k|p}}references and you will get a new menu with new options, as shown in figure 9A. If you press {{k|l}}abor then you will see a list of all possible tasks that a dwarf can perform. The first page of this list is shown in figure 9B. Scroll down until you find the "Hauling" tasks on the 4th page (figure 9C) and press {{k|Enter}} to turn each one off and it should end up looking like figure 9D.
 

==Using the job manager==
<div style="display:inline; float:right; align:center;"><gallery widths="200px" heights="80px" perrow="1">
Image:Qs10.JPG|Fig 10: Open the job list
Image:Qs11.JPG|Fig 11: Open the job manager and select <tt>New order</tt>
Image:Qs12.JPG|Fig 12: The job orders list
Image:Qs13.JPG|Fig 13: The job manager with one job displayed
</gallery></div>
I've already created a stockpile next to the craft shop for the finished goods to be put in. There is one flaw at the moment though - each good takes up an entire tile! What we want to do is create some wooden [[bin]]s to store the items in, this has the added advantage that when the merchants arrive you only need to haul a few bins to the depot to trade the contents, instead of hauling each item individually.

Anyway, open the <tt>{{k|j}}ob list</tt> and you will see figure 10.

This details all the jobs currently underway and who is doing them. We're not too concerned with this information though, what we want is to get at the sub-menu <tt>job {{k|m}}anager</tt>, which you can see at the bottom of the image. Open that up and you will see figure 11, a blank screen!

Not surprising, as we haven't used it yet to allocated jobs. Press {{k|q}} to start a new job and you will get a list of all possible jobs that can happen in a fort (figure 12). There are a ''lot''.

Luckily we can search for what we want, so type in <tt>wood bin</tt> and select it. It will ask you how many, 5 sound like a good number to me. After that it will return to the original job manager, except now it will have one new job as shown in figure 13.

The job manager automatically generates the job in the appropriate workshops. We have one carpenters workshop so it will generate 5 "produce wooden bin" orders. If we had 5 carpenters workshops it would produce one in each shop. Note that we don't currently have 5 logs available so soon Jane will start canceling tasks as quickly as the job manager creates them. You will need to designate more trees to be cut down (explained [[#Designation menu|below]]).
 

==Defining rooms==
<div style="display:inline; float:right; align:center;"><gallery widths="200px" heights="80px" perrow="1">
Image:Qs14.JPG|Fig 14: Select a dining table and make it a room
Image:Qs15.JPG|Fig 15: Size the room
Image:Qs16.JPG|Fig 16: The dining table now forms the centre of a room, and the menu now displays the room options
</gallery></div>
Sometimes it isn't enough to place furniture to make it usable, but you also need to define a room from it. Bedrooms, tombs, meeting halls, and plenty more have to be created this way. In our fortress our [[dining room]] has plenty of tables and chairs for eating, but isn't actually a dining room yet.

Open up the <tt>Set Building Tasks/Preferences</tt> menu, {{k|q}}, again and move the cursor to one of the tables in the dining room (figure 14). It doesn't matter which one.

You will notice that this building has quite a different menu to the craft shop we looked at earlier. Press {{k|r}} to make this table into a room, then use the {{k|+}} {{k|-}} keys to get it to the maximum size (figure 15).

Press {{k|Enter}} to accept and it will return to the building menu, which now has new options because it is a room instead of a table (figure 16). Since we want this to be a public dining hall we don't need to change any of these options, so you can press {{k|Space}} to finish.
 

==Using farms==
<div style="display:inline; float:right; align:center;"><gallery widths="200px" heights="80px" perrow="1">
Image:Qs17.JPG|Fig 17: Two farms below the main fort
Image:Qs18.JPG|Fig 18: Select a farm and decide which crops to grow.
</gallery></div>
If you used the {{k|>}} to explore the [[z-level]] below the main fort you may have discovered this little room just below the pantry (figure 17).

This is two farms built in the arable sand layer, but no seeds have been planted yet. Once again use <tt>Set Building Tasks/Preferences</tt> menu, {{k|q}}, to get to the farm options (figre 18).

You will see a list of 4 different crops. At the moment we only have seeds for [[plump helmet]]s and [[sweet pod]]s. So choose which you want to plant in each farm. '''But!''' note that there are 4 different [[season]]s. The current menu is only displaying spring] so press {{k|b}} {{k|c}} {{k|d}} to get to summer, autumn and winter respectively and choose which crop to plant in each season.
 

==Designation menu==
<div style="display:inline; float:right; align:center;"><gallery widths="200px" heights="80px" perrow="1">
Image:Qs19.JPG|Fig 19: The designation menu
Image:Qs20.JPG|Fig 20: Select <tt>Mine</tt> and set the first point on the exposed wall
Image:Qs21.JPG|Fig 21: Set the second point somewhere in the unmined space
Image:Qs22.JPG|Fig 22: Select <tt>Up staircase</tt> and place it
Image:Qs23.JPG|Fig 23: Move up one z-level and place a <tt>Down staircase</tt>
</gallery></div>
The designation menu is one of the most important in the game. It allows you to mine out new areas of your fort, chop down trees, gather plants, etc. We want to define a new shaft for our idle miner, so select {{k|d}}ig (figure 19).

Now scroll the cursor to where you want to begin the shaft and press enter. Obviously we want to start it at a wall the miner can reach! (Figure 20)

Then scroll to where you want it to finish and press enter again. A brown line will appear like in figure 21.

Note that you can designate entire rectangles to be mined, not just a single line like I did. Now let's create a [[staircase]] to access the next level. First designate an up-stair on the current level (figure 22).

And now the tricky bit - move up one level and designate a down staircase ''directly above it'' (figure 23).
 

==Creating workshops==
<div style="display:inline; float:right; align:center;"><gallery widths="200px" heights="80px" perrow="1">
Image:Qs24.JPG|Fig 24: Rotting turtles surrond a pond
Image:Qs25.JPG|Fig 25: The <tt>Site building</tt> menu and workshop sub-menu
Image:Qs26.JPG|Fig 26: Placing the fishery
</gallery></div>
Jack has been busy catching turtle, unfortunately he's been too busy to clean and gut them, so they've been rotting on the pond side (figure 24).

We want to build a [[fishery]] nearby to fix this problem. First open the <tt>Site a {{k|b}}uilding</tt> menu and you will see a list of all possible buildings (figure 25A). Scroll down until you reach {{k|w}}orkshops, select that and you will get a sub-menu of all the workshops (figure 25B).

Once you select fishery a 3x3 block will pop up on the active window, representing how big the workshop is and where you want to build it. At the moment there is a tree in the way (figure 26), so move around until you find some clear ground close to the pond.

Once you have placed it you will be asked which materials you want to construct it out of. At this stage it doesn't really matter, but I suggest Andesite since it's closest (excluding the wood logs).

But this isn't enough. For one of your dwarves to actually construct the workshop ''they need to have the labor enabled that relates to that building'' ... and at the moment no one has [[fish cleaner]] nor [[fish dissector]] enabled. You need to select another dwarf and change his labors to include [[fish cleaner|fish cleaning]], as explained [[#Setting job preferences|above]]. Preferably not Jack (since the Fishing task takes precedence over almost all other tasks) nor any other dwarf that is busy with important tasks.

Once the fishery is complete you will need to set the task <tt>{{k|p}}rocess raw fish</tt> at the workshop, and set it to repeat. Pretty soon you'll be churning out a good supply of meat to feed your fort. Also, since Jack is catching [[turtle]] you will also get a nice little supply of [[shell]]s that Rachel can then craft into goods.
 

==Conclusion==
Well, that's most of the basics covered. Next up I suggest you dig out an area near the pantry and build a [[still]] and a [[kitchen]] so you can begin brewing alcohol and cooking food (although plenty of food can be eaten raw). When the trade caravan arrives you will want to consult the [[trading]] page to learn how to trade with them.

I hope you have fun exploring the area, building some proper defences to hold off [[invader]]s, and dealing with an expanding [[population]] and the greater problems that they bring.

[[Category:Guides]]

40d Talk:Quickstart guide

2009-01-19T18:37:05Z

GreyMario: /* savegame seems to be bugged */

40d Talk:Starting location

2009-01-18T00:34:22Z

GreyMario: /* "Invaluable" vs. "Unnecessary" */

Trees do not only grow on the lowest Z-Level. I have trees growing on multiple Z-Levels. --[[User:Tracker|Tracker]] 02:46, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

Hmm. Maybe only up to a certain height? My first map--while initially pretty decent (sand, water, trees, rock, variety of minerals) had trees only in the most lower left hand corner (one screen's worth), which also happened to be the lowest surface level I had. But you are right, my current fort (nice entrance, there was a pocket by a river tributary that I turned into my entrance gateway, but no sand) has trees on two levels, the lowest surface, and the second lowest. Still, it's something to be aware of.
--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 03:26, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

Absolutely - that's why I changed it to say "lower" instead of lowest. --[[User:Tracker|Tracker]] 03:35, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

So I noticed. :)
--[[User:Draco18s|Draco18s]] 03:26, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

== Towns ==

Any benefit of building in towns? Other than mining under the elves and dropping them into pits? --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 19:35, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
:Yes there is. Humans are more than happy to share their stuff with you, and won't be at all upset if you rob them blind it seems. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 22:11, 3 November 2007 (EDT)
::Think this'll ever get changed? Seems kind of unrealistic to me...--[[User:Tarsier|Tarsier]] 19:56, 5 November 2007 (EST)

== Mountain tiles guarantee certain features. ==

As per my addition, for each mountain square in the 2nd zoom view, you're guaranteed pits, a chasm, and an underground river. I have confirmed this myself using the reveal tool, and Today has confirmed at least part of it: http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001176 - [[User:Kjoery|Kjoery]] 16:49, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:Confirmed this too.--[[User:Richards|Richards]] 03:20, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

== Towns Revert ==

Any reason why that edit was unacceptable to you Savok? I'm not going to revert, but I would like an explanation. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 12:06, 12 November 2007 (EST)

== Errors in PNG? ==

Contrary to the text in the attached PNG, I've had fortresses with pockets of sand sufficient for glassworking even when sand doesn't show up in the embark screen. [[User:Kidinnu|Kidinnu]] 09:25, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Yes, all maps I've ever had have had at least a few squares of sand. Is it guaranteed? --[[User:Penguinofhonor|Penguinofhonor]] 22:18, 30 November 2007 (EST)
:I have never seen any pockets of sand. --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 16:27, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

Another error is that magma and volcanoes now appear on the map [[User:MikeWulf|MikeWulf]] 23:41, 6 March 2008 (EST)
:Note that underground magma is hidden. Only lava on the surface is shown on the map --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 16:27, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

== Layers ==

The paragraph about layers is not explicit enough for newbies. For instance, 'igneous intrusive' never shows up on the embark screen. What I would like to see is something like
* red sand - useful for glass making
* gabbro - in this layer you may find chalk, a flux
* felsite - in this layer you may find copper ore
etc. (Caveat: the data I gave as example is most likely false and/or incomplete).

This way, by comparing the embark screen to this page, the reader would immediately find out what (s)he may find in the site.
--[[User:Aykavil|Aykavil]] 09:51, 10 July 2008 (EDT)

:I added a link to [[stone layers]]. There's a lot more in-depth info there. --[[User:Strangething|Strangething]] 16:32, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

== Fun starting locations ==

A starting location that looks pretty good from the readouts can turn out to be as boring as hell once you arrive at it. Are there any tips for finding ''interesting'' locations? --[[User:Theory|Theory]] 16:46, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

: Define "interesting"? Anything with a [[chasm]] or in a [[terrifying]] biome could be 'interesting', I'm sure! Personally I often like completely flat land, so I can make the area interesting with my own constructions! That said, I'm considering next building a settlement on the side/s of a steep canyon or river valley! --[[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 17:51, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

== Magma ==

Regarding finding Magma, this page reads: "look for darker igneous rocks like basalt, obsidian, gabbro" -- is this accurate? Basalt and obsidian are igneous extrusive, while gabbro is igneous intrusive. Only the igneous extrusive page calls out that magma is commonly found there. --[[User:Sev|Sev]] 20:41, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

== Mode:Civilisation==
I just noticed, when starting a new fort and choosing which dwarf civ I was from, a symbol I hadn't seen before. Normally dwarve homelands are just blue omegas, this time I saw an omega and also 2 blue {{Tile|î|#ff0|#000}}s. Anyone else seen this/know if this has any significance? --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 05:25, 20 November 2008 (EST)

:I've had this happen to human civs and one dwarf civ- it means they somehow acquired forest sites during worldgen. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 08:42, 20 November 2008 (EST)

::The flipside of humans conquering forest retreats and building towns on them is that you can end up with elves living with them who wear metal armour. I had an 'elven diplomat' show up to discuss human diplomacy, and many 'human' merchants and guards were also elves. That could get scary in the event of a siege! --[[User:Navian|Navian]] 09:41, 20 November 2008 (EST)

:::Not five minutes ago I had a goblin ambush that was mostly made up of Elves. They all had goblin-esque second names, so presumably they were kidnap-ees, although it seems that you can have large families of elves/humans/whatever who are all descended from kidnapped children and now happily evil.--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 14:32, 20 November 2008 (EST)

== Elevation changes and inaccessibility ==

I have my doubts about this being true. I'm on a huge mountain map and the wagons have traveled over its peak without a care, since they can go up ramps without a problem. I believe trees and boulders are what causes problems, not elevation.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 17:25, 10 December 2008 (EST)

:Hmm, ok. I've just cured some accessibility problems on a fairly mountainous map myself, and it seems the problems were right outside my fortress. There's an elevation change only 3-4 squares below (i.e. to the south of) my entrance ramp, and when I used the "upward ramp" designation on the area, my Dwarves dug away at the 3x5 area I'd marked, and -hey presto- the next caravan could suddenly get the big wagons into my trade depot (the smaller ones could get there fine anyway). I admit I was felling trees in the area as well, for timber, but I'd been doing this for the past two game years and it didn't seem to make any difference to accessibility. Ah well, maybe some more testing is required! [[User:Saiph|Saiph]] 21:01, 10 December 2008 (EST)

== "Invaluable" vs. "Unnecessary" ==

Okay, rather than a revert war, could we have opinions on which form of the sentence (if either) is a problem?

I for one certainly did not misunderstand the original form as trying to say that magma was worthless, and I would be likely to interpret the current form as trying to say that magma is unnecessary.

If enough other people do/did see the original form as being misleading (i.e. were misled by it), then I will withdraw my objections, but I do very much think that the original form is both the more correct and the less subject to misinterpretation. It would be possible to rephrase further to avoid the "misinterpretable" part (e.g. change "it" to either "that" or "doing so"), but I think the end result would not be as good as the original form before this change was made. --[[User:The Wanderer|The Wanderer]] 16:03, 17 January 2009 (EST)

:"invaluable" according to [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invaluable Merriam-Webster]: "valuable beyond estimation, priceless <providing invaluable assistance>" I say you're wrong. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 16:15, 17 January 2009 (EST)

::Yes, I know it means that. That's exactly my point; magma is invaluable, not unnecessary.
::The original form said that magma is invaluable, meaning "valuable beyond estimation" exactly as you say. The currenf form says that magma is unnecessary. The people who edited it into the current form apparently didn't mean it to say that, but that's what it says; the antecedent for the "it" in that part of the sentence is the magma, not the burning of charcoal.
::I could go into considerably more detail if you want, analyzing possible alternate forms of the sentence and alternate interpretations of those forms, but I hope it wouldn't be necessary... --[[User:The Wanderer|The Wanderer]] 17:01, 17 January 2009 (EST)

:::My interpretation was that the convenience of magma made wood-burning for charcoal unnecessary. Unnecessary is being applied to the main subject of the sentence (charcoal). Talking about wood-burning under magma though is a bit confusing. "Magma is invaluable for fueling your smithies, making it unnecessary to burn wood for charcoal fuel." A bit wordier but a bit clearer? And this way we get to use both "invaluable" AND "unnecessary"! --[[User:Torasin|Torasin]] 17:28, 17 January 2009 (EST)

::::That would work in theory, but it's not necessarily the best way of phrasing it in that context. Still, I don't think I'd object to it; I still don't think there was anything wrong with the original form (my primary evidence for that, aside from grammar, being the fact that I was not even slightly confused by it), but the form you suggest would be better than the IMO misleading current form. --[[User:The Wanderer|The Wanderer]] 18:36, 17 January 2009 (EST)

:::Yeah, the antecedent for "it" is "the burning of charcoal". Fuck you too, English Language. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 19:34, 17 January 2009 (EST)

40d Talk:Starting location

2009-01-17T21:15:44Z

GreyMario: uh no

40d Talk:Liaison

2009-01-17T04:50:08Z

GreyMario: /* 404 meeting not found */ omg

Any idea how to keep them from staying till they go insane. Every winter my dwarves live in fear of the bruce lee of liaisons going into a martial trance.

At first I thought they'd stay if they didn't get to talk with my broker but having a meeting doesn't help get them out. --[[User:Lucid|Lucid]] 17:44, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:Make sure you have your broker free long enough to make your demands and to views theirs, it take about 4 meetings between your broker and the liaison. At least that is how I get him to leave --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 18:08, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

so THAT'S how you do it, good thing I turned off my expo leader from hunting, the damned liason kept on scaring off the deer [the leader, and broker] was chasing :\

== Broker, not Leader? ==

So it's the broker, not the mayor, that meets with these guys? That changes some things. (I'm trying to keep the Liasons outside of my fortess so they don't know where the traps are, if they ever siege.)

No, its the leader/mayor. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 11:33, 20 February 2008 (EST)

:i have my leader and broker separate(not by choice) in my current fort, and noticed that while the dwarf liaison meets with the leader, the human rep most definately meets with the broker, not the leader. --[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 06:57, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

::Ditto, my broker keeps meeting with the Liasons (all of them, i think, certainly the human one) despite not having been mayor for something like 5 years (military dwarves always seem to get elected mayor...). In fact, I just annoyed a human liason because my broker (not mayor) entered a strange mood just as the liason entered my fortress (thus promptly leaving).
::Now, Diplomats meet with the highest ranking leading noble you have (mayor/baron+/etc...), and I don't know why Diplomat redirects to Liason as humans and elves occasionally send a diplomat to make demands or merely comment 'this is a nice place you've carved out for yourself'.
::--[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 06:54, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Ok, I changed this so that it correctly says the human liason meets with your broker. I left the dwarven liason as Mayor but I'm not certain that's true - my one still existent game which is suitably set up to check this otherwise is now the mountainhome, so I'm unable to verify at present. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 21:07, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

::Anecdotal evidence of dwarven liason using Mayor/Exp Leader - I got an initial set of dwarves where they made someone expedition leader who didn't have the broker skills, so exp leader and broker were different dwarves. Dwarven Liason met with Exp Leader. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 15:55, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

== really set off traps? ==
I have both liaisons walk through a maze of traps every time they visit, never got hurt. Maybe a 38a/b/c bug? What kind of traps were they triggering?--[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 23:56, 27 February 2008 (EST)

:I'm running DF 38a and every year when the caravans arrive I get a new human corpse to loot. My liasons ''never'' make it past my traps (weapon[disc] and stonefall). I wish they would, I'd like to adjust what they bring. [[User:Ripheus|Ripheus]] 21:00, 3 March 2008 (EST)
::well known bug for 38a, it was fixed in 38b -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 21:54, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Mine just set off a Trap too. Died. Running verson 40c for mac. --[[User:OmegaX|OmegaX]] 09:19, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

== Can't assign new leader; wiki article is incorrect ==

Leaders are elected and can't be manually chosen. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 23:34, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I may be remembering wrong, but I recall my liasons wanting to meet my Broker, who is manually chosen. [[User:Ripheus|Ripheus]] 01:52, 9 March 2008 (EST)

== Diplomat ==

I have an elven diplomat telling my duchess not to cut down more than 55 trees (and calling her short.. a member of Elves for the Ethical Treatment of Trees?). Is this kind of diplomat separate from the trade liaison? The page [[Diplomat]] redirects here.. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 13:18, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

:Yes and no. We should maybe move this page to "diplomat" as both the human and dwarven one (and the elven one? never had one of those although im trying hard *grin*) are called diplomat in the unit list. On the other hand the elves never send a trade diplomat(?) so, yes he is somewhat different, but should be included then... --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:37, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

== weird trigger for liaison screens ==
it seems once the meeting has started the usual delay between the screens can be avoided by marking tiles for digging with the mouse - this will cause the screens to pop up during marking (just be careful with pressing space bar) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 14:29, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

== odd behaviour out of season/character ==
My siege engineer has just spend a while wandering around my fortress with the job "Attend Meeting" even though a) he is not the broker or mayor, b) there are no merchants or liasons on the map. He would go to one place and just stand there doing nothing then walk to another place and repeat. This went on for a while then he just went back to normal. There were other jobs he could have been doing at the time. Most odd. Is this a bug should I report it? [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 19:19, 29 March 2008 (EDT)
:To clear up a point of confusion the job "Conduct Meeting" is the job assigned to the Mayor,Broker, or Baron/Count. After dwarven economy is running a dwarf might get the job "Attend Meeting". That dwarf seeks a meeting with the Mayor. If the Mayor is busy he will continue to follow the Mayor around until he is free. The solution I found is to switch off the Mayor's labors so he's free to conduct the meeting. The meeting is usually quick and then you'll get the other dwarf working again.--[[User:Angus|Angus]] 20:52, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

== verified some embarrassment factors ==
From dwarfort.exe
(Name) was embarrassed to have to conduct an official meeting in a dining room.
(Name) was very embarrassed to have to conduct an official meeting in a bedroom.
[[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 19:58, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

: I would be happier if someone could verify that it is actually _used_ in game, but, well. You see, my palace office never triggered any thought. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 21:13, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

::Try giving them a dining room and no office, koltom. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 14:26, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

:::I got these unhappy thoughts from meetings conducted in public dining halls that were also designated as meeting halls. (I do not know whether they also happen from nobles' personal dining rooms designated from private tables.) They seem to be very minor unhappy thoughts, so I'm not going out of my way to avoid such designations to keep my idlers from going to hang out by the wagon in the fortresses' early stages. --[[User:Brent Not Broken|Brent Not Broken]] 12:31, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

== Liaisons, zoo material? ==

I want to know whether or not to trap the liaisons before they leave and have them in cages. Should I do this or not?--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 19:17, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

:hm..
: *You can't trap them (unless you mean locking them in a room)
: *You can't assign them to cages
: If u don't let them leave they will go crazy and your requests for trade items will most likely be ignored
: why do you want to trap them? (okay, they are annoying, but also useful) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 08:41, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

==Human Diplomat==
Added information about the human diplomat, whom i've seen meeting with my Baron/Count/Duke often enough (4 different games, multiple times in each). They don't seem to do much at present - though I haven't tried to incur a human siege of my fortress to see if they sue for peace if you beat them. I imagine they could theoretically make demands like the elven diplomat does, except they aren't picky about things like cutting down trees. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 21:07, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

== Meeting With Elves ==

What happens if you choose different option instead of saying yes to whatever they say? The number of trees keep going lower...57....43...37...well they aren't the exact numbers but close to them. I might want to try to fight them once. I've got some ore to melt and I need a good amount of charcoal... They appear every year after cutting too much trees?--[[User:Seaneat|Seaneat]] 23:36, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

New meeting with elves craziness - i've seriously cut down like 10 cacti total, and that was over 5 years ago. Wood imports have been more than sufficient since then. The elf diplomat shows up for the first time and tells me I've been disrespecting the trees. Does the diplomat always say the same thing? Because he's making no sense whatsoever. In addition to their being absolutely no trees on my map (Yay Saguaros?), I haven't even chopped any in ages. I've bought 20x the amount I ever chopped from the elven caravans. How have I been disrespecting the 'trees'? --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 02:28, 9 December 2008 (EST)

== liaison - dead and gone? (death of a salesman) ==
When in the first summer the dwarven caravan arrived with the outpost liaison at my latest fortress, the liason made it savely past the traps but seems to have died just in front of the depot - no blood to be seen, no message in the announcement, just as he had died a natural death.
Strange enough, but after I provided him a coffin, in the next year the dwarves came without another liaison. So I disposed the treacherous coffin and bones in my crush-o-mat. But that didn't have any effect either: There didn't come any liaison anymore.
In the first place I wonder why he died, and also why he isn't succeeded?!--[[User:Doub|Doub]]

== Left Unhappily? ==

I just got a message
"Diplomacy Stymied. A diplomat has left unhappy."
The last part of the meeting never occured, and my mayor was unable to meet him, due to seige. Was the dwarven diplomat. --[[User:OmegaX|OmegaX]] 17:59, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

== Person to meet set when liaison arrives? ==

When the human liaison arrived this year, I had "Trader Joe" Stukosshed as my Broker. Shortly after, the goblins sieged and Joe got hit by a stray arrow while evacuating. His arm is mangled, so he's resting. I assigned a new broker, but it looks like the Human liaison is holding vigil beside Joe's bed, waiting for him to wake up to run the meeting. -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 16:32, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

==Liaison dead??==

The human guild representative was walking around my fort; he seemed all fine, did not set off any traps. Suddenly, a few (real-life) minutes later, I see a human corpse in my refuse stockpile. He also didn't even have a meeting (note: he died about 2 months after the caravan left). Should I expect a human siege?

: Probably, yes. [[User:Timst|Timst]] 13:12, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

== 404 meeting not found ==

Issue resolved. The problem was that my mayor wanted to update stockpile records instead of take the damn meeting. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:50, 16 January 2009 (EST)

==No Liaison?==
First year, rather rough terrain, dwarf caravan arrived just fine though but... no liaison? At all? I kind of wanted to request bauxite... I guess I'm glad I brought some with me... Has anyone else had this happen? What's going on? --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 14:15, 21 November 2008 (EST)

==Liaison dead?, help==
My liaison died to a goblin ambush a few years back on his way out.. midwinter. Do I never get a new one or the chance to request stuff again?--[[User:Cultiststeve|cultiststeve]] 11:00, 11 January 2009 (EST)

User:GreyMario

2009-01-17T04:28:37Z

GreyMario: /* Statistics */

GreyMario hates goblins and loves catgirls. He is also apparently very dyslexic.

* View GreyMario's [[User:GreyMario/Various Constructions|various constructions]] (not updated in forever)
* Head for [http://www.mkv25.net/dfma/map-2545-thedippedballs The Dipped Balls] (dead fortress, due to a bug)
* Head for [http://www.mkv25.net/dfma/map-2570-thedullpointofboredom The Dull Point of Boredom]

== !!Fire imp fat!! ==
Apparently fire imp fat never stops burning. Woo.

== Unsigned ==
People don't understand that they need to sign their talk page comments. I hate those people.

== Statistics ==
<tt>'''Mayors executed:''' 2 
'''Crazy convoluted plans completed:''' 0 
'''Tamed exotic pets:''' 0 
'''Artifacts by fort:'''
:'''Crystalclaws:''' 3
::*Gansitestil, Slimwhirled, a cave spider silk skirt
::*Tabarmamot, Faithfulplait, a Willow bow
::*Ilbådshetbêth Ninurbâsen, Guiletwinkled the Escorted Spray, a Iron grate</tt>

== Will test quick ideas easily accomplished ==

If you've got a convoluted plan involving something silly like iron bridges, lava, and puddingstone mechanisms, let me know in the space provided below and I'll see if I can find an answer.

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User:GreyMario

2009-01-17T04:24:56Z

GreyMario: /* Statistics */

GreyMario hates goblins and loves catgirls. He is also apparently very dyslexic.

* View GreyMario's [[User:GreyMario/Various Constructions|various constructions]] (not updated in forever)
* Head for [http://www.mkv25.net/dfma/map-2545-thedippedballs The Dipped Balls] (dead fortress, due to a bug)
* Head for [http://www.mkv25.net/dfma/map-2570-thedullpointofboredom The Dull Point of Boredom]

== !!Fire imp fat!! ==
Apparently fire imp fat never stops burning. Woo.

== Unsigned ==
People don't understand that they need to sign their talk page comments. I hate those people.

== Statistics ==
<tt>'''Mayors executed:''' 2 
'''Crazy convoluted plans completed:''' 0 
'''Tamed exotic pets:''' 0 
'''Artifacts by fort:'''
:'''Ceretecamade:''' 3
::*Gansitestil, Slimwhirled, a cave spider silk skirt
::*Tabarmamot, Faithfulplait, a Willow bow
::*Ilbådshetbêth Ninurbâsen, Guiletwinkled the Escorted Spray, a Iron grate</tt>

== Will test quick ideas easily accomplished ==

If you've got a convoluted plan involving something silly like iron bridges, lava, and puddingstone mechanisms, let me know in the space provided below and I'll see if I can find an answer.

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2009-01-17T04:22:26Z

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40d Talk:Bridge

2009-01-16T06:05:56Z

GreyMario: /* Melty mechanisms... redux? */ game over

==Fluids vs bridges==
Does a raised bridge prevent the flow of fluids? Guess I'll experiment and see if I can answer my own question. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 21:21, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:Yes. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 04:55, 1 March 2008 (EST)

==picture: south-raising drawbridge==
Here's a picture of a bridge that raises South, to clear up any confusion over which direction bridges raise. [[User:Basilisk|Basilisk]] 18:03, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
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== Items... ==

When a creature is crushed by a bridge, what happens to the items they had?--[[User:Lordmick134|Lordmick134]]

:When the bridge lowers, it completely ans permanently destroys anything it crashes on. So, there will be absolutely nothing under bridge, when it raises back.--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 03:29, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

::Not true! I had trapped a goblin inside a room with a bridge in it, and set the lever connected to the bridge to be repeatedly pulled. The goblin was stunned at most.--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 09:37, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

:::The goblin was likely ''flung'' from the bridge after stepping onto the extended bridge which then raised with the goblin still on it. Crushing is definitely an irrevocable and utter destruction. --[[User:JT|JT]] 16:30, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

== Channeling ==

Checked the [[channel]]ing article, nothing there, either. I have a bridge that raises to the right to form a wall, part of my outer defensive perimeter. I was digging a channel around the fortification wall and wanted to channel under the bridge. I raised the bridge ... I cannot channel. It never creates the flashy 'this is gonna be channeled' designation anywhere where the bridge could lay over. I can channel any where else. I can also remove the bridge, channel what I want, and replace the bridge just fine. What gives? Is this a known bug? --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 02:35, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

:As far as I know you can't dig on constructions. When the bridge is raised it is still considered to be constructed there. (or something like that) I had the same problem with some retracting bridges. To fix it I just removed the bridges and dug the channels, and then rebuilt them. --[[User:Lotus|Lotus]] 10:13 (CST) June 11, 2008

== Bridges as a temporary wall ==

I want to build a wall by pulling a lever, to block off a tunnel three squares wide.
It is a mine tunnel with no channel above it.

How long should the bridge be?

It looks like this:
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.........║.........
.........╨.........
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</nowiki></div>

[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 05:12, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Well, you have to be careful. Don't forget, by raising a bridge, you can potentially obliterate your dwarves in the process. So try not to make it too wide. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:41, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:My question is, if I make it too long will it smash into the roof or anything?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:09, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::As far as I know of, it won't smash into the roof. The only concern is that if the bridge is too long, a dwarf may get accidently crushed. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:14, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:::Buildings that span multiple/variable z-levels are, at the current time, not possible. So, just build a 1x3 bridge, set it to raise west or east, and you have a wall! A toggleable wall! --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:09, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::::I'd suggest doing a 2x bridge, as you'll have to track down the lever anytime you're curious as to whether the bridge is up or down, as a 1x or x1 bridge looks the same raised or lowered when raised on it's short axis. (e.g. the bridge above would look the same raised or lowered.) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 09:59, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

== Retractable/drawbridge ==

How can you specify which type of bridge you want to build? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:45, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:When you go to place a bridge, by default it retracts. If you press wadxs you change the direction it raises: w = north, a= west, d=east, x=south, s=retracts. I don't know how to set the direction it retracts though.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:12, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::So if it retracts, it creates an impassable wall? -[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:15, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:::No, it disappears. If it raises, it creates an impassable wall, whose direction is the same as the raise direction. Try it out.
:::And, Garrie, it isn't possible to set retract direction since there is no such thing. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:09, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::::Well I guess it doesn't really matter which way it retracts... although if a bridge is built outward from a cliff running east-west out to the chasm which is to the north then obviously the bridge retracts back to the edge it is anchored at (it can hardly retract back into mid-air...).[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 23:22, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

:::::Oh, really? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:32, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

::::::well I guess applying common sense to DF might not be the best idea... but common sense would [bold]suggest [/bold] the bridge retracts back to where it was built from.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 00:03, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

:::::::We don't use BBcode here. I don't think that even is BBcode, but it is in that style. To make '''bold text''', type <code><nowiki>'''bold text'''</nowiki></code>.
:::::::And you're right that applying common sense to DF doesn't work. Even the least of peasants can carry thousands of pounds pebbles in a backpack. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:06, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

== Bridge-on-bridge action ==

I've just added a note about retractable bridges being able to be built using existing bridges as support. However I'm currently unable to test what happens when an intermediary bridge is retracted or raised (I have no stone for mechanisms!). I'm assuming that any bridges relying on the retracted/raised bridge for support will collapse, but it should be tested (and noted), if someone else has the time and inclination! [[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 12:04, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

: I can confirm that when the first bridge is retracted the second one deconstructs. And also if you choose to do your testing using extreme cliffs and "accidently" make 6 of your 7 dwarves stand on the second bridge then they will die a horrible death after falling 18 stories. --[[User:Makuus|Makuus]] 16:54, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::What if you raise both of the bridges at the same time? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:48, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

:::The same thing happens, the second bridge deconstructs again --[[User:Makuus|Makuus]] 13:48, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
::::I attempted this quite some time ago, I think. I had something like ten bridges in a row built off a cliff, and retracted them all at once with one lever. All but the first one (which was connected to the cliff) shattered into stones instantly. --[[User:SL|SL]] 10:29, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

== lockdown system ==

in one of my old forts i had a setup so if the opponent got near my bridges a lever would be pulled and the opponents would fall into the lava with a godlike imp in it, it would use multiple bridges however and i would have to rebuild atleast 1, it was sort of like a tesselation of crosses

== Flying Bridge ==
Build stairs up. Build stairs down atop it. Build a retracting bridge extending into open air from the downstairs. Link the retracting bridge to a lever. Pull the lever to retract the bridge. Deconstruct the down stairs. Deconstruct the up stairs. Pull the lever. Remove the lever. Bridge flies. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 11:38, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
:Shame this can't be used to build eg. twisty retractable catwalks due to the above confirmations in Bridge-on-bridge action. :/ --[[User:Heron|Heron]] 09:46, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
::You could probably get something similar by just having occasional pillars sticking up, constructed by building towers of stairs, building a wall adjacent, then deconstructing the stairs. If you have each bridge anchored to one pillar, you ought to be able to get many retractable bridges in a sequence. --[[User:AlexChurchill|AlexChurchill]] 12:08, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
:::More testing. Retracted bridges never deconstruct. Make a chain as long as you like by keeping them all retracted until scaffolding is removed. Un-retracting bridges never deconstuct nor cause deconstruction. To make a path of multiple flying bridges build a scaffold for the first bridge, retract it, deconstruct the scaffold, build the second scaffold, retract that bridge, deconstruct that scaffold, and so forth. You can then unretract all bridges in any order and they'll all stay up. Retracting them again in any order caused them to fall. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 09:00, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

== Stockpiles under bridges ==

I tried to make a refuse stockpile with a drawbridge over top, and I couldn't place the stockpile where the bridge would lower onto. Can anyone else confirm this for the new version? [[User:Falcondude|Falcondude]] 11:05, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
:Yeah, that won't work. If you are trying to make a garbage compactor, make a ledge and designate a garbage dump with (i) that will drop the items where the bridge will close.[[User:Trevlyn13|Trevlyn13]]

== Drawbridge vs colossus ==

Yesterday a bronze colossus got trapped between my 2 moats, right under the drawbridge. It was too close to the catapults so that the operators wouldn't fire them, so I tried to crush it with the bridge.
My bridge broke instead.
(later I killed it by shooting hundreds of arrows)
If anyone could replicate this, and also experiment with other megabeasts....
(actually I made this account to tell people about this)
[[User:nautilusfossil|nautilusfossil]]
:As far as I know, Dwarven Atom Crushers™ break on megabeasts and demons. Cage Traps are the way to go for megabeasts, but demons are immune against them.
:I don't know about semi-megabeasts considering bridge-breaking. [[User:MC Dirty|MC Dirty]] 18:17, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

== Dwarves negative thoughts regarding crushed friends ==

Dwarves respond to friends or family members being crushed by a drawbridge as if they'd been killed & then not buried: "He was forced to endure the decay of a sibling lately. He lost a sibling to tragedy recently." (I'm certain this was due to the drawbridge, as all the siblings *except* the one that was crushed had these negative thoughts. Nobody else in the family had been killed by anything yet.) --[[User:Sev|Sev]] 14:49, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

== Melty mechanisms... redux? ==

Curiosity kills my dwarves - I'm not wasting the time to do this myself. Will mechanisms melt out of bridges that are submerged in magma? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 22:31, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
:I have no idea, this is a good question. While writing a reply of my thoughts I kept re-thinking some things. If Magma passes over the bridge I'm pretty certain that the mechanism will act like a flood gate's. It will not melt away as long as you don't raise the bridge. If you do raise the bridge, the mechanism will melt away and the bridge could do a number of things. Before I keep typing about what I think will/could happen, I'm just going to go ahead and pass on a wall of text. [[User:Dakira|Dakira]] 1844, 28 September 2008 (PST)
::But fluids cannot enter the tile of a raised bridge, whereas they can enter the tile of a lowered bridge. In this way, a raised bridge would be analogous to a _closed_ floodgate, and a lowered bridge to an _open_ one. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 21:51, 25 November 2008 (EST)

GO GO GADGET TEST MELTY MECHANISMS --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 00:25, 16 January 2009 (EST)
:Nope, doesn't work. The mechanisms melted... and just when I was making to re-pull the lever, too. D: --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 01:05, 16 January 2009 (EST)

== Bridges and wagons? ==

Is is possible for wagons to drive over bridges? I would assume so, but I don't want to get hasty. --[[User:W-dueck|w-dueck]] 23:50, 3 December 2008 (EST)
:yes, anything can pass over them. [[User:Dangerous Beans|Dangerous Beans]] 00:29, 4 December 2008 (EST)
:: Okay, thanks. Now that the mean kobolds can't escape when they steal my stuff, I am free to bludgeon them with random objects! --[[User:W-dueck|w-dueck]] 18:39, 4 December 2008 (EST)
:::You have to spot them first, though. Put war dogs on restraints in a recessed area that leads to the trade depot.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 22:08, 4 December 2008 (EST)

== Indestructible Caravan ==
I needed to test out my whammer slammer bammer on something but no goblins volunteered for so long I was forced to attack the dwarven caravan instead. The mighty bridge swung down upon the lone wagon and was riven like a banana dipped in liquid nitrogen, leaving the wagon unscathed. If we could breed and train war wagons we'd rule the world. The 3-tile-wide parts of it anyway. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 18:55, 9 December 2008 (EST)

:But a single cave swallowman can scuttle an entire wagon in two milliseconds. Maybe wagons count as a megabeast? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:00, 9 December 2008 (EST)

== Megabeasts break bridges even without atomsmashing? ==

Situation: I captured a Titan and pitted it onto a drawbridge from a platform a Z-level above. The drawbridge is retractable and linked to a level. Logically, pulling the level will make the drawbridge retract and the Titan will plummet to his death.

But it didn't happen. The bridge refuses to budge. I haven't got a message about it whatsoever.

Is it possible for a Titan to break ''any'' drawbridge operation whatsoever no matter the end result?

--[[User:Shurikane|Shurikane]] 22:34, 6 January 2009 (EST)

:<s>Yes. A bridge is a non-construction building. Therefore entities with [BUILDINGDESTROYER] can nuke them.</s> I doubt it. Did you find any mechanisms lying around, like next to the lever? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 00:02, 7 January 2009 (EST)

::Nothing unusual to report. As far as I see, everything should be functioning normally. The Titan, by the way, does not move around. He stays right where I dropped him... --[[User:Shurikane|Shurikane]] 12:25, 7 January 2009 (EST)
::Update: here's what I found out. A megabeast standing on a bridge will prevent said bridge from functioning. In my case, this means a retracting bridge will refuse to retreact unless the megabeast steps off or dies. --[[User:Shurikane|Shurikane]] 11:02, 10 January 2009 (EST)

40d Talk:Bridge

2009-01-16T05:25:30Z

GreyMario: /* Melty mechanisms... redux? */

==Fluids vs bridges==
Does a raised bridge prevent the flow of fluids? Guess I'll experiment and see if I can answer my own question. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 21:21, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:Yes. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 04:55, 1 March 2008 (EST)

==picture: south-raising drawbridge==
Here's a picture of a bridge that raises South, to clear up any confusion over which direction bridges raise. [[User:Basilisk|Basilisk]] 18:03, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
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== Items... ==

When a creature is crushed by a bridge, what happens to the items they had?--[[User:Lordmick134|Lordmick134]]

:When the bridge lowers, it completely ans permanently destroys anything it crashes on. So, there will be absolutely nothing under bridge, when it raises back.--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 03:29, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

::Not true! I had trapped a goblin inside a room with a bridge in it, and set the lever connected to the bridge to be repeatedly pulled. The goblin was stunned at most.--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 09:37, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

:::The goblin was likely ''flung'' from the bridge after stepping onto the extended bridge which then raised with the goblin still on it. Crushing is definitely an irrevocable and utter destruction. --[[User:JT|JT]] 16:30, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

== Channeling ==

Checked the [[channel]]ing article, nothing there, either. I have a bridge that raises to the right to form a wall, part of my outer defensive perimeter. I was digging a channel around the fortification wall and wanted to channel under the bridge. I raised the bridge ... I cannot channel. It never creates the flashy 'this is gonna be channeled' designation anywhere where the bridge could lay over. I can channel any where else. I can also remove the bridge, channel what I want, and replace the bridge just fine. What gives? Is this a known bug? --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 02:35, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

:As far as I know you can't dig on constructions. When the bridge is raised it is still considered to be constructed there. (or something like that) I had the same problem with some retracting bridges. To fix it I just removed the bridges and dug the channels, and then rebuilt them. --[[User:Lotus|Lotus]] 10:13 (CST) June 11, 2008

== Bridges as a temporary wall ==

I want to build a wall by pulling a lever, to block off a tunnel three squares wide.
It is a mine tunnel with no channel above it.

How long should the bridge be?

It looks like this:
<div style="font-family: monospace; white-space: pre; line-height: 126.5%"><nowiki>
▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒ò▒▒▒
.........╥.........
.........║.........
.........╨.........
▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒
</nowiki></div>

[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 05:12, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Well, you have to be careful. Don't forget, by raising a bridge, you can potentially obliterate your dwarves in the process. So try not to make it too wide. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:41, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:My question is, if I make it too long will it smash into the roof or anything?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:09, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::As far as I know of, it won't smash into the roof. The only concern is that if the bridge is too long, a dwarf may get accidently crushed. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:14, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:::Buildings that span multiple/variable z-levels are, at the current time, not possible. So, just build a 1x3 bridge, set it to raise west or east, and you have a wall! A toggleable wall! --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:09, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::::I'd suggest doing a 2x bridge, as you'll have to track down the lever anytime you're curious as to whether the bridge is up or down, as a 1x or x1 bridge looks the same raised or lowered when raised on it's short axis. (e.g. the bridge above would look the same raised or lowered.) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 09:59, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

== Retractable/drawbridge ==

How can you specify which type of bridge you want to build? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:45, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:When you go to place a bridge, by default it retracts. If you press wadxs you change the direction it raises: w = north, a= west, d=east, x=south, s=retracts. I don't know how to set the direction it retracts though.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:12, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::So if it retracts, it creates an impassable wall? -[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:15, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:::No, it disappears. If it raises, it creates an impassable wall, whose direction is the same as the raise direction. Try it out.
:::And, Garrie, it isn't possible to set retract direction since there is no such thing. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:09, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::::Well I guess it doesn't really matter which way it retracts... although if a bridge is built outward from a cliff running east-west out to the chasm which is to the north then obviously the bridge retracts back to the edge it is anchored at (it can hardly retract back into mid-air...).[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 23:22, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

:::::Oh, really? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:32, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

::::::well I guess applying common sense to DF might not be the best idea... but common sense would [bold]suggest [/bold] the bridge retracts back to where it was built from.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 00:03, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

:::::::We don't use BBcode here. I don't think that even is BBcode, but it is in that style. To make '''bold text''', type <code><nowiki>'''bold text'''</nowiki></code>.
:::::::And you're right that applying common sense to DF doesn't work. Even the least of peasants can carry thousands of pounds pebbles in a backpack. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:06, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

== Bridge-on-bridge action ==

I've just added a note about retractable bridges being able to be built using existing bridges as support. However I'm currently unable to test what happens when an intermediary bridge is retracted or raised (I have no stone for mechanisms!). I'm assuming that any bridges relying on the retracted/raised bridge for support will collapse, but it should be tested (and noted), if someone else has the time and inclination! [[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 12:04, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

: I can confirm that when the first bridge is retracted the second one deconstructs. And also if you choose to do your testing using extreme cliffs and "accidently" make 6 of your 7 dwarves stand on the second bridge then they will die a horrible death after falling 18 stories. --[[User:Makuus|Makuus]] 16:54, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::What if you raise both of the bridges at the same time? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:48, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

:::The same thing happens, the second bridge deconstructs again --[[User:Makuus|Makuus]] 13:48, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
::::I attempted this quite some time ago, I think. I had something like ten bridges in a row built off a cliff, and retracted them all at once with one lever. All but the first one (which was connected to the cliff) shattered into stones instantly. --[[User:SL|SL]] 10:29, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

== lockdown system ==

in one of my old forts i had a setup so if the opponent got near my bridges a lever would be pulled and the opponents would fall into the lava with a godlike imp in it, it would use multiple bridges however and i would have to rebuild atleast 1, it was sort of like a tesselation of crosses

== Flying Bridge ==
Build stairs up. Build stairs down atop it. Build a retracting bridge extending into open air from the downstairs. Link the retracting bridge to a lever. Pull the lever to retract the bridge. Deconstruct the down stairs. Deconstruct the up stairs. Pull the lever. Remove the lever. Bridge flies. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 11:38, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
:Shame this can't be used to build eg. twisty retractable catwalks due to the above confirmations in Bridge-on-bridge action. :/ --[[User:Heron|Heron]] 09:46, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
::You could probably get something similar by just having occasional pillars sticking up, constructed by building towers of stairs, building a wall adjacent, then deconstructing the stairs. If you have each bridge anchored to one pillar, you ought to be able to get many retractable bridges in a sequence. --[[User:AlexChurchill|AlexChurchill]] 12:08, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
:::More testing. Retracted bridges never deconstruct. Make a chain as long as you like by keeping them all retracted until scaffolding is removed. Un-retracting bridges never deconstuct nor cause deconstruction. To make a path of multiple flying bridges build a scaffold for the first bridge, retract it, deconstruct the scaffold, build the second scaffold, retract that bridge, deconstruct that scaffold, and so forth. You can then unretract all bridges in any order and they'll all stay up. Retracting them again in any order caused them to fall. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 09:00, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

== Stockpiles under bridges ==

I tried to make a refuse stockpile with a drawbridge over top, and I couldn't place the stockpile where the bridge would lower onto. Can anyone else confirm this for the new version? [[User:Falcondude|Falcondude]] 11:05, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
:Yeah, that won't work. If you are trying to make a garbage compactor, make a ledge and designate a garbage dump with (i) that will drop the items where the bridge will close.[[User:Trevlyn13|Trevlyn13]]

== Drawbridge vs colossus ==

Yesterday a bronze colossus got trapped between my 2 moats, right under the drawbridge. It was too close to the catapults so that the operators wouldn't fire them, so I tried to crush it with the bridge.
My bridge broke instead.
(later I killed it by shooting hundreds of arrows)
If anyone could replicate this, and also experiment with other megabeasts....
(actually I made this account to tell people about this)
[[User:nautilusfossil|nautilusfossil]]
:As far as I know, Dwarven Atom Crushers™ break on megabeasts and demons. Cage Traps are the way to go for megabeasts, but demons are immune against them.
:I don't know about semi-megabeasts considering bridge-breaking. [[User:MC Dirty|MC Dirty]] 18:17, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

== Dwarves negative thoughts regarding crushed friends ==

Dwarves respond to friends or family members being crushed by a drawbridge as if they'd been killed & then not buried: "He was forced to endure the decay of a sibling lately. He lost a sibling to tragedy recently." (I'm certain this was due to the drawbridge, as all the siblings *except* the one that was crushed had these negative thoughts. Nobody else in the family had been killed by anything yet.) --[[User:Sev|Sev]] 14:49, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

== Melty mechanisms... redux? ==

Curiosity kills my dwarves - I'm not wasting the time to do this myself. Will mechanisms melt out of bridges that are submerged in magma? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 22:31, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
:I have no idea, this is a good question. While writing a reply of my thoughts I kept re-thinking some things. If Magma passes over the bridge I'm pretty certain that the mechanism will act like a flood gate's. It will not melt away as long as you don't raise the bridge. If you do raise the bridge, the mechanism will melt away and the bridge could do a number of things. Before I keep typing about what I think will/could happen, I'm just going to go ahead and pass on a wall of text. [[User:Dakira|Dakira]] 1844, 28 September 2008 (PST)
::But fluids cannot enter the tile of a raised bridge, whereas they can enter the tile of a lowered bridge. In this way, a raised bridge would be analogous to a _closed_ floodgate, and a lowered bridge to an _open_ one. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 21:51, 25 November 2008 (EST)

GO GO GADGET TEST MELTY MECHANISMS --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 00:25, 16 January 2009 (EST)

== Bridges and wagons? ==

Is is possible for wagons to drive over bridges? I would assume so, but I don't want to get hasty. --[[User:W-dueck|w-dueck]] 23:50, 3 December 2008 (EST)
:yes, anything can pass over them. [[User:Dangerous Beans|Dangerous Beans]] 00:29, 4 December 2008 (EST)
:: Okay, thanks. Now that the mean kobolds can't escape when they steal my stuff, I am free to bludgeon them with random objects! --[[User:W-dueck|w-dueck]] 18:39, 4 December 2008 (EST)
:::You have to spot them first, though. Put war dogs on restraints in a recessed area that leads to the trade depot.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 22:08, 4 December 2008 (EST)

== Indestructible Caravan ==
I needed to test out my whammer slammer bammer on something but no goblins volunteered for so long I was forced to attack the dwarven caravan instead. The mighty bridge swung down upon the lone wagon and was riven like a banana dipped in liquid nitrogen, leaving the wagon unscathed. If we could breed and train war wagons we'd rule the world. The 3-tile-wide parts of it anyway. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 18:55, 9 December 2008 (EST)

:But a single cave swallowman can scuttle an entire wagon in two milliseconds. Maybe wagons count as a megabeast? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:00, 9 December 2008 (EST)

== Megabeasts break bridges even without atomsmashing? ==

Situation: I captured a Titan and pitted it onto a drawbridge from a platform a Z-level above. The drawbridge is retractable and linked to a level. Logically, pulling the level will make the drawbridge retract and the Titan will plummet to his death.

But it didn't happen. The bridge refuses to budge. I haven't got a message about it whatsoever.

Is it possible for a Titan to break ''any'' drawbridge operation whatsoever no matter the end result?

--[[User:Shurikane|Shurikane]] 22:34, 6 January 2009 (EST)

:<s>Yes. A bridge is a non-construction building. Therefore entities with [BUILDINGDESTROYER] can nuke them.</s> I doubt it. Did you find any mechanisms lying around, like next to the lever? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 00:02, 7 January 2009 (EST)

::Nothing unusual to report. As far as I see, everything should be functioning normally. The Titan, by the way, does not move around. He stays right where I dropped him... --[[User:Shurikane|Shurikane]] 12:25, 7 January 2009 (EST)
::Update: here's what I found out. A megabeast standing on a bridge will prevent said bridge from functioning. In my case, this means a retracting bridge will refuse to retreact unless the megabeast steps off or dies. --[[User:Shurikane|Shurikane]] 11:02, 10 January 2009 (EST)

Template talk:D for dwarf

2009-01-15T15:17:27Z

GreyMario: /* Need / Size */

== New image ==

I uploaded another image for a sharper looking D in context of satire. Any suggestions are welcome. Here are the two images that could be used, one without the minus sign and the other with. The one with the minus sign I originally chose because of the idea that it was in context of satire, but some articles using this template are very well written without satire. So I'm opting for the original. Tell me what you think, and design one for the template if you'd like to. --[[User:Richards|Richards]] 10:23, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

[[image:Letter-D.jpg]]

[[image:D-Letter-M.jpg]]

== Need / Size ==

I'm starting to find this a bit patronising. Do we really need such a large warning that an article contains wit? Are we not capable of deducing that for ourselves? Now I'm all for funny and witty articles which liven the place up, but maybe just make the 'warnings' a little more subtle? – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Khimaera UK|Khimaera UK]]

It's more of a template for editors rather than users. This way we can have serious pages in addition to silly ones. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 17:18, 14 January 2009 (EST)

: Fair, but the message at the top of every D rated page still rather dominates the article. I don't propose removing it entirely, but does anyone else think it could be at least a bit.. smaller? --[[User:Khimaera UK|JK]] 17:25, 14 January 2009 (EST)

::It could be, by only being a sidebar of sorts, but that would probably negatively affect any article with a sidebar already that gets tagged with this, making it even more disruptive. It also "could" go at the bottom, but that would defeat the purpose, of ensuring people don't read the page literally.
::Something that the community could consider, that would probably be for the best in the end, is a separate namespace for humor articles. It's been suggested at some point, but the prevailing reason(s) it hasn't worked (IMO) is due to a lack of quantity to fill the space with. If we got every other mainspace article a humorous version, it would be pretty useful, and good for a little wiki-surfing when one feels like reading some game-related humor. As is, I think there are less than 2-3% of mainspace articles with '''D''' content, much less articles that actually have a humorous version separate from the main article. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 23:19, 14 January 2009 (EST)

:Just shrink it down to about 48 pixels high and shorten the info text. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 10:17, 15 January 2009 (EST)

40d:Dwarf cancels task: Job item lost or destroyed

2009-01-14T15:00:46Z

GreyMario:

One cause of this error is when you deconstruct a building which had items inside it your dwarves were trying to haul, or it is otherwise on another place (water, magma, channel, etc everything that makes stuff move).

This error also occurs during Render Fat jobs, frequently when the fat becomes rotten.

{{Errors FAQ}}

40d:Carp

2009-01-14T06:51:54Z

GreyMario: makes no sense to have that D:

{{D for Dwarf}}

{{CreatureInfo|name=The Aquatic Doombringer otherwise known as Carp|symbol=α|color=rgb(0, 128, 128)|bones=3|fat=1|skin=1|skulls=1|chunks=3|meat=3|biome= * [[Temperate]] freshwater river
* Temperate freshwater lake
* [[Tropical]] freshwater [[river]]
* Tropical freshwater lake}}

:'' "I think I made fish too hardcore" ''--[[Toady One]]

These little monsters are challenging [[elephant]]s for the post of [[King of beasts|King of Beasts]], not only because they can drag a fully grown [[dwarf]] into the [[water]] and nibble him to death, but also because they can stare at your [[fisherdwarf]] and send them staggering back into a [[cliff]]. To make things worse, [[Ambusher|hunters]] will unload their whole [[quiver]]s on them, oblivious to nearby [[animal]]s walking on land. Carp will however die after the first winter if you are lucky enough to have a map which freezes. Alternatively, try draining all the [[river]]s and lakes to air-drown the fish (but be wary not to water-drown your [[dwarves]] in the process).

== Explanation ==
The carp's status as a cold-blooded dwarf killer is no doubt due to the fact that [[Toady One]] simply used a default bite attack for the carp (as with most of the new beings in v0.27.169.33a). The carp, half the size of a dwarf, has a bite attack which inflicts 1-6 damage points. Compared to the strength of a dwarven punch (1-2 damage points), it is easy to see that it is simply an oversight and will be fixed some time in the future.

The carp's propensity to attack [[creatures]] outside of its element and its ability to scare away dwarves it could never really reach is better classifiable as a bug. The same could be said about the hunters ability to target and attack them.

Carp also used to gain attributes from skill increases. Previously, innate swimmers gained attributes as they gained swim skill. This has been changed, and innate swimmers no longer gain swimming skill (or stat increases).

Additionally, dwarves who get attacked by carp tend to end up in the river, either from being pulled in, "dodging" into it, or trying to bull-rush the carp.

== Advice ==

If you are new to DF, then there is only one thing to do if you come across a river full of carp and you don't want your dwarves to die... Run. Run and never look back.

Or if you are too tired to run after your looong journey you can use designations ({{k|d}}) then set traffic areas ({{k|o}}) to simply forbid your Dwarves going near the carp. This works best on lakes and ponds with the nasty buggers in them.

{{Game_Data|[CREATURE:FISH_CARP]
[NAME:carp:carp:carp]
[TILE:224][COLOR:3:0:0]
[LARGE_ROAMING]
[AQUATIC][UNDERSWIM][IMMOBILE_LAND]
[MODVALUE:3]
[GENPOWER:3]
[PREFSTRING:protruding mouths]
[ALL_ACTIVE]
[POPULATION_NUMBER:15:30]
[CLUSTER_NUMBER:5:10]
[BENIGN][MEANDERER][NATURAL]
[PETVALUE:50]
[BODY:BASIC_2PARTBODY:BASIC_HEAD:SIDE_FINS:DORSAL_FIN:TAIL:2EYES:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:MOUTH]
[ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:MOUTH:bite:bites:1:6:GORE][ATTACKFLAG_CANLATCH]
[ATTACK:SECOND:BYTOKEN:TAIL:slap:slaps:1:2:BLUDGEON][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
[SIZE:3]
[MAXAGE:20:30]
[NO_DRINK]
[CHILD:1][CHILDNAME:carp fry:carp fry]
[FAT:1]
[BIOME:RIVER_TEMPERATE_FRESHWATER]
[BIOME:RIVER_TROPICAL_FRESHWATER]
[BIOME:LAKE_TEMPERATE_FRESHWATER]
[BIOME:LAKE_TROPICAL_FRESHWATER]
[STANDARD_FLESH]
[HOMEOTHERM:10067]
[SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:500]
}}
{{Creatures}}
[[Category:Animals]]

[[ru:Карп]]

40d Talk:The one horned menace

2009-01-14T06:50:39Z

GreyMario: ....

Is there ''really'' any reason for this page to exist? I mean who the heck referrs to it as "the one-horned menace" any more? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 01:50, 14 January 2009 (EST)

40d Talk:Liaison

2009-01-11T18:31:59Z

GreyMario: /* 404 meeting not found */

Any idea how to keep them from staying till they go insane. Every winter my dwarves live in fear of the bruce lee of liaisons going into a martial trance.

At first I thought they'd stay if they didn't get to talk with my broker but having a meeting doesn't help get them out. --[[User:Lucid|Lucid]] 17:44, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:Make sure you have your broker free long enough to make your demands and to views theirs, it take about 4 meetings between your broker and the liaison. At least that is how I get him to leave --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 18:08, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

so THAT'S how you do it, good thing I turned off my expo leader from hunting, the damned liason kept on scaring off the deer [the leader, and broker] was chasing :\

== Broker, not Leader? ==

So it's the broker, not the mayor, that meets with these guys? That changes some things. (I'm trying to keep the Liasons outside of my fortess so they don't know where the traps are, if they ever siege.)

No, its the leader/mayor. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 11:33, 20 February 2008 (EST)

:i have my leader and broker separate(not by choice) in my current fort, and noticed that while the dwarf liaison meets with the leader, the human rep most definately meets with the broker, not the leader. --[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 06:57, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

::Ditto, my broker keeps meeting with the Liasons (all of them, i think, certainly the human one) despite not having been mayor for something like 5 years (military dwarves always seem to get elected mayor...). In fact, I just annoyed a human liason because my broker (not mayor) entered a strange mood just as the liason entered my fortress (thus promptly leaving).
::Now, Diplomats meet with the highest ranking leading noble you have (mayor/baron+/etc...), and I don't know why Diplomat redirects to Liason as humans and elves occasionally send a diplomat to make demands or merely comment 'this is a nice place you've carved out for yourself'.
::--[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 06:54, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Ok, I changed this so that it correctly says the human liason meets with your broker. I left the dwarven liason as Mayor but I'm not certain that's true - my one still existent game which is suitably set up to check this otherwise is now the mountainhome, so I'm unable to verify at present. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 21:07, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

::Anecdotal evidence of dwarven liason using Mayor/Exp Leader - I got an initial set of dwarves where they made someone expedition leader who didn't have the broker skills, so exp leader and broker were different dwarves. Dwarven Liason met with Exp Leader. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 15:55, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

== really set off traps? ==
I have both liaisons walk through a maze of traps every time they visit, never got hurt. Maybe a 38a/b/c bug? What kind of traps were they triggering?--[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 23:56, 27 February 2008 (EST)

:I'm running DF 38a and every year when the caravans arrive I get a new human corpse to loot. My liasons ''never'' make it past my traps (weapon[disc] and stonefall). I wish they would, I'd like to adjust what they bring. [[User:Ripheus|Ripheus]] 21:00, 3 March 2008 (EST)
::well known bug for 38a, it was fixed in 38b -[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 21:54, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Mine just set off a Trap too. Died. Running verson 40c for mac. --[[User:OmegaX|OmegaX]] 09:19, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

== Can't assign new leader; wiki article is incorrect ==

Leaders are elected and can't be manually chosen. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 23:34, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I may be remembering wrong, but I recall my liasons wanting to meet my Broker, who is manually chosen. [[User:Ripheus|Ripheus]] 01:52, 9 March 2008 (EST)

== Diplomat ==

I have an elven diplomat telling my duchess not to cut down more than 55 trees (and calling her short.. a member of Elves for the Ethical Treatment of Trees?). Is this kind of diplomat separate from the trade liaison? The page [[Diplomat]] redirects here.. [[User:Anydwarf|Anydwarf]] 13:18, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

:Yes and no. We should maybe move this page to "diplomat" as both the human and dwarven one (and the elven one? never had one of those although im trying hard *grin*) are called diplomat in the unit list. On the other hand the elves never send a trade diplomat(?) so, yes he is somewhat different, but should be included then... --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:37, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

== weird trigger for liaison screens ==
it seems once the meeting has started the usual delay between the screens can be avoided by marking tiles for digging with the mouse - this will cause the screens to pop up during marking (just be careful with pressing space bar) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 14:29, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

== odd behaviour out of season/character ==
My siege engineer has just spend a while wandering around my fortress with the job "Attend Meeting" even though a) he is not the broker or mayor, b) there are no merchants or liasons on the map. He would go to one place and just stand there doing nothing then walk to another place and repeat. This went on for a while then he just went back to normal. There were other jobs he could have been doing at the time. Most odd. Is this a bug should I report it? [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 19:19, 29 March 2008 (EDT)
:To clear up a point of confusion the job "Conduct Meeting" is the job assigned to the Mayor,Broker, or Baron/Count. After dwarven economy is running a dwarf might get the job "Attend Meeting". That dwarf seeks a meeting with the Mayor. If the Mayor is busy he will continue to follow the Mayor around until he is free. The solution I found is to switch off the Mayor's labors so he's free to conduct the meeting. The meeting is usually quick and then you'll get the other dwarf working again.--[[User:Angus|Angus]] 20:52, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

== verified some embarrassment factors ==
From dwarfort.exe
(Name) was embarrassed to have to conduct an official meeting in a dining room.
(Name) was very embarrassed to have to conduct an official meeting in a bedroom.
[[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 19:58, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

: I would be happier if someone could verify that it is actually _used_ in game, but, well. You see, my palace office never triggered any thought. --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 21:13, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

::Try giving them a dining room and no office, koltom. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 14:26, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

:::I got these unhappy thoughts from meetings conducted in public dining halls that were also designated as meeting halls. (I do not know whether they also happen from nobles' personal dining rooms designated from private tables.) They seem to be very minor unhappy thoughts, so I'm not going out of my way to avoid such designations to keep my idlers from going to hang out by the wagon in the fortresses' early stages. --[[User:Brent Not Broken|Brent Not Broken]] 12:31, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

== Liaisons, zoo material? ==

I want to know whether or not to trap the liaisons before they leave and have them in cages. Should I do this or not?--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 19:17, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

:hm..
: *You can't trap them (unless you mean locking them in a room)
: *You can't assign them to cages
: If u don't let them leave they will go crazy and your requests for trade items will most likely be ignored
: why do you want to trap them? (okay, they are annoying, but also useful) --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 08:41, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

==Human Diplomat==
Added information about the human diplomat, whom i've seen meeting with my Baron/Count/Duke often enough (4 different games, multiple times in each). They don't seem to do much at present - though I haven't tried to incur a human siege of my fortress to see if they sue for peace if you beat them. I imagine they could theoretically make demands like the elven diplomat does, except they aren't picky about things like cutting down trees. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 21:07, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

== Meeting With Elves ==

What happens if you choose different option instead of saying yes to whatever they say? The number of trees keep going lower...57....43...37...well they aren't the exact numbers but close to them. I might want to try to fight them once. I've got some ore to melt and I need a good amount of charcoal... They appear every year after cutting too much trees?--[[User:Seaneat|Seaneat]] 23:36, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

New meeting with elves craziness - i've seriously cut down like 10 cacti total, and that was over 5 years ago. Wood imports have been more than sufficient since then. The elf diplomat shows up for the first time and tells me I've been disrespecting the trees. Does the diplomat always say the same thing? Because he's making no sense whatsoever. In addition to their being absolutely no trees on my map (Yay Saguaros?), I haven't even chopped any in ages. I've bought 20x the amount I ever chopped from the elven caravans. How have I been disrespecting the 'trees'? --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 02:28, 9 December 2008 (EST)

== liaison - dead and gone? (death of a salesman) ==
When in the first summer the dwarven caravan arrived with the outpost liaison at my latest fortress, the liason made it savely past the traps but seems to have died just in front of the depot - no blood to be seen, no message in the announcement, just as he had died a natural death.
Strange enough, but after I provided him a coffin, in the next year the dwarves came without another liaison. So I disposed the treacherous coffin and bones in my crush-o-mat. But that didn't have any effect either: There didn't come any liaison anymore.
In the first place I wonder why he died, and also why he isn't succeeded?!--[[User:Doub|Doub]]

== Left Unhappily? ==

I just got a message
"Diplomacy Stymied. A diplomat has left unhappy."
The last part of the meeting never occured, and my mayor was unable to meet him, due to seige. Was the dwarven diplomat. --[[User:OmegaX|OmegaX]] 17:59, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

== Person to meet set when liaison arrives? ==

When the human liaison arrived this year, I had "Trader Joe" Stukosshed as my Broker. Shortly after, the goblins sieged and Joe got hit by a stray arrow while evacuating. His arm is mangled, so he's resting. I assigned a new broker, but it looks like the Human liaison is holding vigil beside Joe's bed, waiting for him to wake up to run the meeting. -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 16:32, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

==Liaison dead??==

The human guild representative was walking around my fort; he seemed all fine, did not set off any traps. Suddenly, a few (real-life) minutes later, I see a human corpse in my refuse stockpile. He also didn't even have a meeting (note: he died about 2 months after the caravan left). Should I expect a human siege?

: Probably, yes. [[User:Timst|Timst]] 13:12, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

== 404 meeting not found ==

I've got a Village Liaison hanging around near my mayor (who I really want to execute for mandating crystal glass items) and he refuses to take the meeting. Or, at least, I haven't seen any meeting from him yet. What do I need to do to get him to take the meeting? D: (Or should I just execute the bastard along with my mayor?) --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 00:38, 19 November 2008 (EST)

:First, the obvious: do you have all the mayor's [[labor]]s disabled? Second: did the mayor change any time recently? I recently had a problem with a guild representative not meeting with my broker... it seems the rep only wanted to meet with my "alternate" broker, whom I had used to trade with the caravan when the primary broker was off sleeping.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 00:48, 19 November 2008 (EST)

:: The Village Liaison is standing right next to my activated Mayor on the execution bridge. The Mayor has the Conduct Meeting task active but nothing's happening. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 00:49, 19 November 2008 (EST)

:::One other possibility: the mayor is waiting to conduct a meeting with a dwarf who wants to complain. Also, try doing some mining designations with the mouse (hold down the button): for some reason this accelerates meetings-in-progress.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 01:11, 19 November 2008 (EST)

::::Very unlikely, and attempted that already. I'm about ready to just dump both morons into my lava tube. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 22:38, 20 November 2008 (EST)
:::::Try giving the mayor an office, if he hasn't one already. --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 18:54, 22 November 2008 (EST)

:::::::He already has one. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 18:59, 22 November 2008 (EST)

::::::::What happens if you draft him, station him in his office, and lock the door? I didn't have this exact problem but this method solved a similar one (my duke was stuck in a sock-storing loop of some sort, and he very reluctantly switched focus to the meeting, eventually, after I locked him and the liason in the duke's office. It took awhile, though, and he complained bitterly about the inaccessible item, first.) --[[User:Sev|Sev]] 21:27, 22 November 2008 (EST)

:::::::::That solution is contradictory to my current situation. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 22:23, 22 November 2008 (EST)

::::::::::If you mean, you want to execute the mayor without also killing the liason, I think you have to let him leave the execution-bridge in order to take the meeting in his office, first. If you're trying to make him have the meeting on the bridge, would it help to unassign his office? --[[User:Sev|Sev]] 19:59, 12 December 2008 (EST)

:::::::::::He '''refuses to go to the office'''. There is a clear path to the office. There is no obstruction. Everything is in working order except for the fact that the mayor refuses to go to his office OR take the meeting. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 13:31, 11 January 2009 (EST)

==No Liaison?==
First year, rather rough terrain, dwarf caravan arrived just fine though but... no liaison? At all? I kind of wanted to request bauxite... I guess I'm glad I brought some with me... Has anyone else had this happen? What's going on? --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 14:15, 21 November 2008 (EST)

==Liaison dead?, help==
My liaison died to a goblin ambush a few years back on his way out.. midwinter. Do I never get a new one or the chance to request stuff again?--[[User:Cultiststeve|cultiststeve]] 11:00, 11 January 2009 (EST)

40d Talk:Refined coal

2009-01-11T07:31:59Z

GreyMario: /* Coke/Charcoal constructions + Magma = Permanent fire? */

Maybe the articles on charcoal and coke should be merged with this page on fuel since all three pages basically say the same thing. [[User:Bouchart|Bouchart]] 18:00, 22 November 2007 (EST)

== Starting things off ==

Somehow this needs to be adjusted to show that to kick start your smelter you need some coal... or is there some other way of getting from bituminous coal to coke? fan I use some other furnace to get started? (I have plenty of wood, "rock" and bituminous coal but no "coal" or magma).[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 09:27, 8 January 2008 (EST)
:it already says "(fuel will be needed to power this at a normal smelter)" for the bituminous coal to coke reaction in the article. turn that wood into charcoal and use it to turn the bituminous coal to coke [[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 21:55, 8 January 2008 (EST)

::All right... someone at a different page said I needed '''coal''' and I couldn't find "just coal" mentioned ANYWHERE, hence my confusion.
::So I need to "process" wood to get "charcoal". Will see how I go, thanks.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 00:18, 9 January 2008 (EST)

== Is wood burning a skill? ==

I cant seem to find it on the [[skill]] page. Either that or this one should be changed
:Wood Burner at the bottom of the Farmer section. It's there :) --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 18:02, 8 January 2008 (EST)
::Oops, my bad. Sorry --[[User:Kingzilla|Kingzilla]] 17:53, 9 January 2008 (EST)

== Block template ==

Over at [[Lignite]] there is a pretty little box which looks like:
{{Stone|name=Lignite|tile=*|color=#888
|uses =
* 2 [[coke]] at [[smelter]]
|location =
* [[Sedimentary layer]]s
* Found as veins
|properties =
* Can [[ignite]]
* [[Economic stone]]
* [[Material value]] 1}}

It would be nice if there was one here too.

Secondly, what I would like to do on [[Lignite]] and [[Bituminous coal]] is have a pictorial formula which says:
l [[lignite]] + 1 [[coal]] = 2 [[coke]]
( it would be like :
{{key|l}}{{key|l}} + {{key|c}} = {{key|a}} but with pictures of the tiles instead of letters)

but I don't know how to do the tiles for lignite / coal / coke / charcoal.
[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 05:45, 10 February 2008 (EST)

== Coke/Charcoal constructions + Magma = Permanent fire? ==

I always wondered if making a magma cistern out of Coke would create a massive, but permanent fire. The reasoning would be that coal burns in any form, magma is hot, but constructions are permanent and not destroyed by magma. In a failed attempt to create a permanent magma waterfall, some magma touched my coke road (I had no iron, but magma and plenty of bitimous coal, so I thought "why not?"). The road is now on fire, but I do not know if it will be permanent as my remaining dwarves will perish by the end of the season by leftover fire/lava, starvation/drought or depression, so I have to ask if anyone knows if coal constructions will ever disappear. --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 20:25, 10 January 2009 (EST)

:It won't even burn. Don't try, you'll just be wasting time. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 02:31, 11 January 2009 (EST)

40d Talk:Wall

2009-01-10T01:47:25Z

GreyMario: /* Trolls */

Is there a way to build walls on areas (like when designating a stockpile) instead of tile per tile? Very boring work when constructing long walls... --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 13:40, 4 November 2007 (EST)
:Not as of {{ver|0.27.169.33a}}. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 14:11, 4 November 2007 (EST)
The text of the article seems to suggest that engravings and smoothing can be done on constructed walls. In my experience, a constructed wall is described as a "Granite Block Wall" and does not accept either smoothing or engraving commands. It also highlights with a flashing green "C" in designation mode, indicating it is constructed. If I'm wrong, I'd love to know how to accomplish this!
Also, the article text indicates that a wall must be built above certain types of solid object. In my experience, this is not true; you can build a wall over empty space provided you build ''beside'' an existing solid structure. This is key when building spiral ramps within towers, etc.
I'm very new to wiki editing, so I'm not going to touch the article itself at this point. If someone would like to verify...?--[[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:10, 12 November 2007 (EST)
:All right, some experimentation has determined how walls are named and how the operate. I'll use "felsite" as my material in the examples: A wall which is comprised of naturally-occurring rock or other material is called a "Rough-hewn Felsite Wall". Smoothed, it becomes a "Smoothed Felsite Wall". A wall constructed of mined stone using the building menu is described as a "Rough Felsite Block Wall" while one made out of stone block (prepared by a mason) is a "Felsite Block Wall". Neither type of constructed wall is engravable or smoothable, and both type look identical to a smoothed natural wall. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 18:40, 14 November 2007 (EST)

: Any idea why constructed walls cannot be engraved? It seems somewhat counterintuitive. --[[User:Trithemius|Trithemius]] 09:15, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

: I had a dwarf build an engraved wall. I think all I used was the normal build wall command and nothing more, but I wasn't really paying attention, i just needed to fill in an extra wall section. When I went back one section of the wall looked weird, and when I looked at it and pressed enter a description of the engraving came up. However it is still called a rough basalt block wall not an engraved wall. [[User:Afu|Afu]] 05:08, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

Do glass walls block LoS? [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 20:18, 5 December 2007 (EST)

Has anyone come across a bug where built walls do not produce a floor on the z level above? I was building two small towers and for some reason some constructed walls are being built without anything above them, it doesn't even show up (using looK) as Open Space but it is displaying the - symbol normally used for open space. Most frustrating is it I rip it down and built the wall again it does it again. Both towers were the same other than material used and one has this problem along one face while the other is fine.
[[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 05:42, 26 February 2008 (EST)
:yes, but it was fixed several versions ago, in 176.38a and ive not had it happen again since. from the Devlog:
* fixed problem leading to floors not being placed above some constructed walls
:-[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 14:40, 26 February 2008 (EST)
::Now I feel stupid, I downloaded 176.38a but didn't actually unzip/install it. Thanks. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 15:25, 26 February 2008 (EST)

I've noticed it's not always necessary to have a z+0 wall supporting a z+1 wall (on top of) as long as there is an access via a floor. Thus one can achieve a "protuberant" type construction which is physically eerie. Is it a known bug or on purpose?--Annales
:It's just how support and cavein code works for now. You can call it "on purpose", but i's going to change someday (and don't forget signing)--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 04:52, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

==wall strength==

does the strength of the wall change depending on the material? doors gain strength when made of iron. --[[User:Corhen|Corhen]]

:AFAIK, walls are basically invulnerable still (33g), if not permanently so. So at this time, no relevant tests can be done to determine if one wall is more or less resilient than another. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 21:55, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

::Wooden walls will block magma... Ashen (from ash - burned wood, not ash - kind of tree) walls block stones fired from catapult. I think that's enough to say that strength of the wall doesn't depend on anything. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 21:13, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
::: ok, tohught trolls could break through walls, if not, KOOL --[[User:Corhen|Corhen]]

== One way to make your masons behave ==

So I've dug a tunnel that'll carry a flow of magma, and I just need to plug the access corridor I used during its excavation before unleashing the torrent. And of course, my idiot mason ''insists'' on walling himself up inside the magma tunnel. I could provide escape stairs, but really, why should I compromise my fortress' aesthetics for the sake of that suicidal dunce? So here's what I did:

#####
..S.. <- lava channel
##W##
##.## <- access corridor

The "W" is where I want to build a wall, and "S" is where the mason insisted on standing while building it. So I crafted a cheapo stone statue, placed it at S, and it forced the mason to stand on the other side of W to build it. Then when the magma came through it melted the statue away.

I hope the statue was a self-portrait. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 20:58, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

: You know, a simple door would've done the trick. You place a door instead of an actual wall, make it forbidden (and tightly closed) once the idiot has returned to his other things. It holds magma for now (and is cheaper and faster than building both a wall and a statue). [[User:MagicGuigz|MagicGuigz]] 11:14, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

== Waterproof? ==
Do walls hold back liquids similar to a closed door?
I assume water, yes. And magma only if its a steel wall?
-- [[User:Qwip|Qwip]] 13:05, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
:Yes in every possible case. A wall made of soap blocks will hold back water, and one constructed from ice will hold back lava. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 17:14, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

== Construction on the Edges ==
Does anyone know of a mod or what file I should change to allow construction of walls along the edges of the map? I'm going for the "Border Crossing" challenge build and the map calls for a wall from edge to edge, yet I am prohibited from building anything within five spaces from the map's edges as well as digging one space from the edge. -- [[User:Dakira|Dakira]] 17:40 10 November 2008 (PST)

:It's hard-coded into the engine. No can do. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 21:28, 10 November 2008 (EST)

== Walls as battlements ==
If I have outdoor walls, are marksdwarves able to shoot enemies on lower levels from on top of the walls? I have ramps going up my walls so that my dwarves can get on them and I'm wondering if its useful to put an archery target up there or anything. -- --[[User:DimensionWarped|DimensionWarped]] 18:09, 21 November 2008 (EST)

:Yes! I believe that their accuracy is increased with height, too. I put the target nearby, build extra flooring to put an ammo stockpile on, and "station" the squad (from the military screen) on the battlements so they'll go/stay up there when I send them on-duty. Do note that dwarves tend to fall off things when they find themselves dodging melee combat, so station some fighters at the bottom of your ramp to keep baddies from trying to engage your marksdwarves, widen the tops of the walls by [b]uilding floors to either side, and/or build walls up there you can then carve into [[fortification]]s they can shoot through (via the [d]esignations menu). --[[User:Sev|Sev]] 18:26, 21 November 2008 (EST)
::Afaik, you can't carve fortifications into built walls. Instead you just construct fortifications. --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 20:30, 21 November 2008 (EST)
:::In the current version (40d) you can, at the very least, carve fortifications into walls constructed out of stone blocks. I know this, because my current game has giant battlements with constructed-wall-fortifications and remembering to go back and carve them after they were built was a pain in the butt. This would have been much more straightforward if I'd noticed that there was a [F]ortifications option on the construction menu. Thank you for pointing that out! :) --[[User:Sev|Sev]] 22:44, 21 November 2008 (EST)

==Building from bridges==
Something I noticed in a game. I could place a long wall along one side of the bridge and the dwarves would build it quite happily, starting from the secure end and working outwards. However if I placed a second long wall from the midpoint of the bridge onwards a dwarf would start it early (I think he was working on a wall square from the second long segment), causing a collapse. So it seems that it is safe to place long walls alongside bridges, as long as you do it one segment at a time. Can someone check this is true, and if so think of a better way of wording for placement in the article? --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 22:53, 21 November 2008 (EST)

It's not always true, it depends on a number of factors. If you have multiple builders and one is slacking off, others can jump ahead. Likewise, if your materials aren't all in one stockpile, that could also cause problems, especially if one piece gets lost or stuck and the job for a section is suspended. Overall it's safest to supervise carefully. Better yet, if you're building walls next to bridges anyway, just build a floor instead of the bridge. Then it'll be indestructible. --[[User:Navian|Navian]] 23:07, 21 November 2008 (EST)

==Trolls==

Will trolls and other creatures that can knock open doors also break down walls? [[User:Lastofthelight|Lastofthelight]]

:Read the article on [[construction]]s - walls and other terrain-based constructions are indestructible by everything. Except when you want it to be destroyed specifically by a dwarf who is a member of your fortress. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 20:46, 9 January 2009 (EST)

40d Talk:Wall

2009-01-10T01:46:50Z

GreyMario: /* Trolls */

Is there a way to build walls on areas (like when designating a stockpile) instead of tile per tile? Very boring work when constructing long walls... --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 13:40, 4 November 2007 (EST)
:Not as of {{ver|0.27.169.33a}}. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 14:11, 4 November 2007 (EST)
The text of the article seems to suggest that engravings and smoothing can be done on constructed walls. In my experience, a constructed wall is described as a "Granite Block Wall" and does not accept either smoothing or engraving commands. It also highlights with a flashing green "C" in designation mode, indicating it is constructed. If I'm wrong, I'd love to know how to accomplish this!
Also, the article text indicates that a wall must be built above certain types of solid object. In my experience, this is not true; you can build a wall over empty space provided you build ''beside'' an existing solid structure. This is key when building spiral ramps within towers, etc.
I'm very new to wiki editing, so I'm not going to touch the article itself at this point. If someone would like to verify...?--[[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 04:10, 12 November 2007 (EST)
:All right, some experimentation has determined how walls are named and how the operate. I'll use "felsite" as my material in the examples: A wall which is comprised of naturally-occurring rock or other material is called a "Rough-hewn Felsite Wall". Smoothed, it becomes a "Smoothed Felsite Wall". A wall constructed of mined stone using the building menu is described as a "Rough Felsite Block Wall" while one made out of stone block (prepared by a mason) is a "Felsite Block Wall". Neither type of constructed wall is engravable or smoothable, and both type look identical to a smoothed natural wall. [[User:Doctorlucky|Doctorlucky]] 18:40, 14 November 2007 (EST)

: Any idea why constructed walls cannot be engraved? It seems somewhat counterintuitive. --[[User:Trithemius|Trithemius]] 09:15, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

: I had a dwarf build an engraved wall. I think all I used was the normal build wall command and nothing more, but I wasn't really paying attention, i just needed to fill in an extra wall section. When I went back one section of the wall looked weird, and when I looked at it and pressed enter a description of the engraving came up. However it is still called a rough basalt block wall not an engraved wall. [[User:Afu|Afu]] 05:08, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

Do glass walls block LoS? [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 20:18, 5 December 2007 (EST)

Has anyone come across a bug where built walls do not produce a floor on the z level above? I was building two small towers and for some reason some constructed walls are being built without anything above them, it doesn't even show up (using looK) as Open Space but it is displaying the - symbol normally used for open space. Most frustrating is it I rip it down and built the wall again it does it again. Both towers were the same other than material used and one has this problem along one face while the other is fine.
[[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 05:42, 26 February 2008 (EST)
:yes, but it was fixed several versions ago, in 176.38a and ive not had it happen again since. from the Devlog:
* fixed problem leading to floors not being placed above some constructed walls
:-[[User:Chariot|Chariot]] 14:40, 26 February 2008 (EST)
::Now I feel stupid, I downloaded 176.38a but didn't actually unzip/install it. Thanks. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 15:25, 26 February 2008 (EST)

I've noticed it's not always necessary to have a z+0 wall supporting a z+1 wall (on top of) as long as there is an access via a floor. Thus one can achieve a "protuberant" type construction which is physically eerie. Is it a known bug or on purpose?--Annales
:It's just how support and cavein code works for now. You can call it "on purpose", but i's going to change someday (and don't forget signing)--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 04:52, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

==wall strength==

does the strength of the wall change depending on the material? doors gain strength when made of iron. --[[User:Corhen|Corhen]]

:AFAIK, walls are basically invulnerable still (33g), if not permanently so. So at this time, no relevant tests can be done to determine if one wall is more or less resilient than another. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 21:55, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

::Wooden walls will block magma... Ashen (from ash - burned wood, not ash - kind of tree) walls block stones fired from catapult. I think that's enough to say that strength of the wall doesn't depend on anything. --[[User:Someone-else|Someone-else]] 21:13, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
::: ok, tohught trolls could break through walls, if not, KOOL --[[User:Corhen|Corhen]]

== One way to make your masons behave ==

So I've dug a tunnel that'll carry a flow of magma, and I just need to plug the access corridor I used during its excavation before unleashing the torrent. And of course, my idiot mason ''insists'' on walling himself up inside the magma tunnel. I could provide escape stairs, but really, why should I compromise my fortress' aesthetics for the sake of that suicidal dunce? So here's what I did:

#####
..S.. <- lava channel
##W##
##.## <- access corridor

The "W" is where I want to build a wall, and "S" is where the mason insisted on standing while building it. So I crafted a cheapo stone statue, placed it at S, and it forced the mason to stand on the other side of W to build it. Then when the magma came through it melted the statue away.

I hope the statue was a self-portrait. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 20:58, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

: You know, a simple door would've done the trick. You place a door instead of an actual wall, make it forbidden (and tightly closed) once the idiot has returned to his other things. It holds magma for now (and is cheaper and faster than building both a wall and a statue). [[User:MagicGuigz|MagicGuigz]] 11:14, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

== Waterproof? ==
Do walls hold back liquids similar to a closed door?
I assume water, yes. And magma only if its a steel wall?
-- [[User:Qwip|Qwip]] 13:05, 10 October 2008 (EDT)
:Yes in every possible case. A wall made of soap blocks will hold back water, and one constructed from ice will hold back lava. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 17:14, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

== Construction on the Edges ==
Does anyone know of a mod or what file I should change to allow construction of walls along the edges of the map? I'm going for the "Border Crossing" challenge build and the map calls for a wall from edge to edge, yet I am prohibited from building anything within five spaces from the map's edges as well as digging one space from the edge. -- [[User:Dakira|Dakira]] 17:40 10 November 2008 (PST)

:It's hard-coded into the engine. No can do. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 21:28, 10 November 2008 (EST)

== Walls as battlements ==
If I have outdoor walls, are marksdwarves able to shoot enemies on lower levels from on top of the walls? I have ramps going up my walls so that my dwarves can get on them and I'm wondering if its useful to put an archery target up there or anything. -- --[[User:DimensionWarped|DimensionWarped]] 18:09, 21 November 2008 (EST)

:Yes! I believe that their accuracy is increased with height, too. I put the target nearby, build extra flooring to put an ammo stockpile on, and "station" the squad (from the military screen) on the battlements so they'll go/stay up there when I send them on-duty. Do note that dwarves tend to fall off things when they find themselves dodging melee combat, so station some fighters at the bottom of your ramp to keep baddies from trying to engage your marksdwarves, widen the tops of the walls by [b]uilding floors to either side, and/or build walls up there you can then carve into [[fortification]]s they can shoot through (via the [d]esignations menu). --[[User:Sev|Sev]] 18:26, 21 November 2008 (EST)
::Afaik, you can't carve fortifications into built walls. Instead you just construct fortifications. --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 20:30, 21 November 2008 (EST)
:::In the current version (40d) you can, at the very least, carve fortifications into walls constructed out of stone blocks. I know this, because my current game has giant battlements with constructed-wall-fortifications and remembering to go back and carve them after they were built was a pain in the butt. This would have been much more straightforward if I'd noticed that there was a [F]ortifications option on the construction menu. Thank you for pointing that out! :) --[[User:Sev|Sev]] 22:44, 21 November 2008 (EST)

==Building from bridges==
Something I noticed in a game. I could place a long wall along one side of the bridge and the dwarves would build it quite happily, starting from the secure end and working outwards. However if I placed a second long wall from the midpoint of the bridge onwards a dwarf would start it early (I think he was working on a wall square from the second long segment), causing a collapse. So it seems that it is safe to place long walls alongside bridges, as long as you do it one segment at a time. Can someone check this is true, and if so think of a better way of wording for placement in the article? --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 22:53, 21 November 2008 (EST)

It's not always true, it depends on a number of factors. If you have multiple builders and one is slacking off, others can jump ahead. Likewise, if your materials aren't all in one stockpile, that could also cause problems, especially if one piece gets lost or stuck and the job for a section is suspended. Overall it's safest to supervise carefully. Better yet, if you're building walls next to bridges anyway, just build a floor instead of the bridge. Then it'll be indestructible. --[[User:Navian|Navian]] 23:07, 21 November 2008 (EST)

==Trolls==

Will trolls and other creatures that can knock open doors also break down walls? [[User:Lastofthelight|Lastofthelight]]

:Read the article - walls and other terrain-based constructions are indestructible by everything. Except when you want it to be destroyed specifically by a dwarf who is a member of your fortress. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 20:46, 9 January 2009 (EST)

User talk:Kittyz

2009-01-09T23:10:16Z

GreyMario: New page: == Signatures == Try <tt><nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki></tt>. --~~~~

== Signatures ==

Try <tt><nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki></tt>. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 18:10, 9 January 2009 (EST)

40d:Your first fortress

2009-01-08T19:11:16Z

GreyMario: de-linkspamming, added a couple of suggestions, minor cleanup, etc.

This is a guide to help new players get started on their first [[fortress]] and teach them the basics of keeping their [[dwarf|dwarves]] alive. If you have unanswered questions or find given details confusing, please tell us so on the [[Talk:Your_first_fortress|discussion page]]! Above all else, always remember the [[Dwarf Fortress]] motto: "Losing is fun!"

We discuss generating a world, choosing a fortress location, buying [[skill]]s and items, and playing the first month or so. Setting game initialization options is covered in [[technical tricks]]. The advice here is biased for safety; with a little experience you'll do better with strategies customized for your play style and preferred start locations. For more extended treatment of particular subjects, consult the linked pages or the rest of the Dwarf Fortress Wiki.

== Generating a world ==

It all starts here. The first thing to do when starting Dwarf Fortress is to [[World generation |create a world]]. Later on, you may wish to tweak the parameters to suit your play style, but for now, the ''Create New World Now!'' option is an easy way to get into your first game.

The engine will start to create the world--watch it unfold! You might notice that worlds are rejected, sometimes even after the generator begins running rivers and lakes. This is normal, as the generator seeks a world which meets the criteria for optimum Dwarven Fun.

Generating a standard random world can take several minutes. You can speed things up by selecting ''Design New World with Parameters'' instead of ''Create New World Now!'' and setting a smaller world size. These worlds tend to be less interesting and replayable, but work well if you want to try new things.

Once you've generated a world you will return to the main screen and there will be a new option, <tt>Start Playing</tt>. Upon selecting that you can choose the game mode - [[Dwarf fortress]], [[Adventurer]], or [[Legends]]. This article is written with respect to Fortress mode.

See the article on [[world generation]] for a complete guide to the world generation screen.

== Choosing a location ==

=== The interface ===

So long as you have at least one world without an active game, you will be able to choose "Start Playing" from the main menu. Select "Dwarf Fortress" and you'll find a four-section window:

[[Image:FortressLocation_fd2f10.png | caption | This picture is shown with the default tileset. Other [[tilesets]] are available]]

Going from left to right, these windows represent:
*The local map. The black box represents the area that your fortress will occupy if you decide to embark. The blue line is a stream, the green icons represent forests and swamps, and the gray triangles are mountain slopes.
*The regional map. This is like zooming out from the local map. The entire local map is represented by that yellow X. Most of the region is forest, with a mountain range in the bottom right. The two light blue lines are minor rivers.
*The world map. This is zooming out all the way. The yellow X represents the approximate position of the region.
*Information about the area that the black box is occupying. More on this below.

You can move around the region map with {{k|←}}{{k|↑}}{{k|→}}{{k|↓}}, or at 10x speed with {{k|Shift}}+{{k|←}}{{k|↑}}{{k|→}}{{k|↓}}. Note that using {{k|Shift}} can cause the key to get "stuck" - press it again to cancel.

You can move around the local map with these keys:
{{k|u}}
{{k|h}} {{k|k}}
{{k|m}}

You cannot directly move around the world map. Movement across the world map is shown relative to your movement on the region map. In world generated with the default settings, each square of the world map contains several squares of the region map.

Your next goal will be choosing the starting location for your fortress.

=== Your surroundings ===

You can discern a lot of information by scrolling through the various modes. The interface has five modes which you cycle through by pressing {{k|TAB}}. In turn, they display the ''biomes'', ''civilizations'', and ''geology'' of the local area.

====Biomes screen====
This display gives you an idea for the environment you'll be parachuting into. Click any of the blue links for more information on the subject. [[Biome]]s are determined by the type of life in the area. On the Biome screen, you'll see:
* '''[[Temperature]]''': How hot or cold it gets in the area. Can be ''Freezing'', ''Cold'', ''Temperate'', ''Warm'', ''Hot'', and ''Scorching''. In a nutshell, temperature extremes make it harder to get and keep a reliable source of [[water]] going. In Freezing and Scorching climates, you may have to do without water at all. Temperate and Warm are both good places to start your first fort. 
* '''Amount of [[tree]]s, and [[plant|other vegetation]]''': A general indication of the density of plant life in the area. For trees, this can be ''none'', ''scarce'', ''sparse'', ''woodland'', or ''heavily forested''. For other plants, you can see ''none'', ''scarce'', ''moderate'', and ''thick''. Trees are chopped down for [[wood]], which is a critical, if small, part of your fortress. You can import lots of it from [[caravan]]s, so don't worry too much about it. However, more trees never hurt anyone, and totally treeless maps are quite a bit more difficult in the early going, so aim for ''sparse'' or greater trees. Other plants basically means shrubs, bushes, and other vegetation that you can harvest food from with the [[plant gathering]] skill. Generally speaking, you will use this trick in the first year of your fortress, then never again. [[Plant]] density is not very important. 
* '''[[Surroundings]]''': This is a hint at how wild the wilderness is. The outskirts of a jungle might be fairly calm and safe, while the heart of that same jungle could be thick with vicious predators. In game terms, this will clue you in to the specific types of [[tree]]s and [[plant]]s you will find, in addition to indicating the [[animal]] types you'll run into. This also clues you in to the ''alignment'' of the surrounding area. So, the two things this word tells you is how ''good'' or ''evil'' an area is, and how ''calm'' or ''savage'' an area is. ''Good''-aligned areas, from calm to savage, are ''serene'', ''mirthful'', or ''joyous wilds''. ''Neutral''-aligned areas are, from calm to savage, ''calm'', ''wilderness'', or ''untamed wilds''. ''Evil''-aligned areas are, from calm to savage, ''sinister'', ''haunted'', or ''terrifying''. ''Good'' zones tend to have one of the most aggressive animals in the game, the [[unicorn]], and ''evil'' areas have a multitude of [[undead]] and some of the most vicious [[creature]]s in the game. For your first fortress, stick to a ''neutral'' alignment. 
* '''Major land forms''': A last field, which will not always be full, will mention things you should know about, like [[river]]s. Rivers provide an unlimited source of [[water]], but can be home to dangerous fish like the [[longnose gar]] and [[carp]]. Still, though, the benefits generally far outweigh the risks. [[Volcano]]es are also noted here, one of the only guaranteed ways to get [[magma]]. Magma makes a few things a lot easier, but it is dangerous to work with and must be handled very carefully because of the [[fire imp|horrible]] [[magma man|creature]]s that come out of it. Not critical, especially not for your first time out. 

Sometimes, you'll be looking at a place with more than one [[biome]] in the same selected square. You can press {{k|F1}} {{k|F2}} {{k|F3}} or {{k|F4}} to view the different types of biomes. In the picture above, we are looking at the mountain in the center, which is cold and has no trees or plants because it's too high up for those things to grow.

====Civilization screen====
These are nearby [[civilization]]s that are capable of interacting with you. Other settlements are shown with various symbols on the regional map. The possible entries here are ''dwarves'', ''humans'', ''elves'', ''goblins'', and ''kobolds''.
* '''[[dwarf|Dwarves]]''': You will want to be in contact with dwarves to get [[immigrant]]s and a dwarven trading caravan. However, dwarves are, sometimes seemingly magically, everywhere. It is impossible to settle anywhere without dwarves, assuming there is at least one surviving dwarven civilization. Depending on how remote the area is, though, you may not get some of the features of the game you would otherwise: being cut off from the world will prevent most [[noble]]s from coming to your fort, which will stop the [[dwarven economy]] from ever being activated. You will also not get a [[liason]] with your dwarven caravan, so you will be unable to request goods. 
* '''[[Humans]]''': Humans are almost always friendly, and love [[trade]]. They send [[liaison]]s to let you request goods and are generally a huge boon to any fortress. 
* '''[[Elves]]''': Elves are usually friendly and make fair trading partners, but have a [[Trade#Elves|particular ethos]] about trading. They do not send a trade [[liason]] and their goods are luxuries at best. They can be very annoying, but are generally not dangerous unless you provoke them. 
* '''[[Goblin]]s''': Goblins are your main enemies in Dwarf Fortress, and will produce most of the aggression against your fort. They periodically launch ambushes, consisting of five to ten goblin warriors, and will send [[siege]]s after your fort reaches 80 dwarves. [[Trap]]ped entrances, [[war dog]]s, and eventually a [[military]] will be needed to repel them. Just be sure not to start in the middle of a goblin citadel. 
* '''[[Kobold]]''': Kobolds are petty thieves that are little more than irritations in most situations. If you are careless and let their thieves get away with a lot of stuff, though, they may upgrade to raiding parties of archers.

====Elevation screen====
Relative [[elevation]]. This is a normal topographic map that you're used to from real-life maps. It just gives you an idea of the lay of the land.
====Slope screen====
[[Slope]] steepness. This shows you where large cliffs are. Try to avoid [[cliff]]s of 4 or more, as the taller maps take a lot more computer power to run. On the other hand, flat areas are boring - a good elevation map contains lots of low elevation changes ranging from 1 to 4. However, choosing areas with high elevation changes gives you much more stone, ore, and gems to work with and may even provide decent protection against invaders. It's your choice in the long run, particularly if you don't really care about performance.
====Embark alerts====
When you're satisfied with your area and hit {{k|e}} to embark, you may get some alerts about being in a very difficult area, or about an [[aquifer]]. Aquifers can make it frustrating to get started, so if you are alerted about an aquifer, seriously consider moving somewhere else for your first fortress. After you have the basics down, tackling an aquifer is much easier.
====Location recap====

For your first fortress, it's not entirely important. However, there are some general guidelines that can help you decide: 

* Try to get a temperate or warm climate, since extreme temperatures are more difficult.
* Trees and vegetation are good for producing lumber and food for your fortress, but you don't need tons of them.
* ''Neutral''-aligned [[surroundings]] are best for your first fortress, but ''good''-aligned surroundings are also OK. Avoid ''evil''-aligned surroundings, however.
* Running water ([[river]]s, streams, and [[brook]]s) are a permanent source of [[water]]. [[Lake]]s and [[pool]]s have a finite amount of water and may dry out. Not having enough water can be a big obstacle, so try to get some running water your first time out.
* [[Humans]] and [[elves]] are friendly, so an area they have access to is nice.
* [[Magma]] is cool (hah!), but not critical.
* Areas with [[aquifer]]s require some engineering to get to rock. You'll be warned if you chose an area with an aquifer. When in doubt, don't try it.
** If you insist on starting in an area with an aquifer, read up on the dangers of aquifers, and, if at all possible, choose an embark site that includes an aquifer-less [[biome]].
* Who cares? If you like what you see, go for it. You can always start over. And remember the DF motto: Losing is fun! 

For more information on specific game mechanics such as [[sand]], [[flux]], and how to find [[iron]], check [[How_to_correctly_start_fortress_mode|this page]].

==== Fortress size ====

Once you've decided on location, you need to decide the size of your fortress area. This is the size of the game field you're playing on. Advantages of requesting a large local area include more raw materials, greater diversity of [[rock]]s and special underground features, and the ability to include desired terrain (such as a river, a forest, or a magma vent). Disadvantages include slower game performance (larger areas require more CPU power), higher likelihood of merchants failing to reach your [[trade depot]] before they run out of time, and more risk of losing immigrants as they struggle to your front [[gate]]. (Note that you can [[mine]] many levels deep into the ground, and even a 3x3 area generally contains more raw materials than you're ever likely to need.)

You can adjust the size of your fort's area by using {{k|SHIFT}} + the {{k|u}} {{k|m}} {{k|k}} or {{k|h}} keys. 

=== Embark ===

When done, hit {{k|e}} to embark. A warning may appear if you've chosen a challenging site, or one with an [[aquifer]].

==Buying skills and items==
After you embark, you're given the option to either start immediately or prepare for the journey carefully. You should pretty much always prepare carefully if you enjoy staying alive.

Here, presumably, you are the dwarf determining who will go and what they will take. You have a total of 2060☼ to spend in two categories: Skilled dwarves and items. Some items have already been selected for you, but you probably won't want most of these.

There are as many possible ways to approach setting up as there are fortress locations. The [[starting builds]] page offers several examples for you to choose from. Here, we are only going to discuss some basics that help you understand enough to make your own decisions. The embark screen opens up on the ''skills'' screen, and can be changed to the ''items'' screen by pressing {{k|TAB}}.

===Skills===
In Dwarf Fortress, it's not what you have, it's who you have. Skilled dwarves are the cornerstone of everything, from domestics to security, so it's extremely important to embark with good people.

As you will see in this screen, you have 7 dwarves, all with 10 points to put toward starting skills. We will want to use all 10 of the points on all 7 of the dwarves. By default, you won't have enough ☼ to do this, so hit {{k|TAB}} to go to the items screen and hit {{k|-}} over the ''Steel battle axe'' line to give subtract one. This should give you enough ☼ to assign all your skills. You can only spend 5 of the 10 points in any one skill, making the maximum skill level upon embark ''proficient''. This makes a total of 14 ''proficient'' skills, or a larger number of lower skill levels. 

In a fledgling fortress, the 4 indispensable jobs are [[mason]], [[miner]], [[grower]], and [[carpenter]]. A good beginning strategy is to embark with at least 1 dwarf being ''proficient'' in these 4 skills. Many people choose to double up on proficient miners and growers, since mining and farming are both pretty big jobs.

Other useful skills to consider: 
* '''[[Cook]]:''' Cooks make [[prepared meal]]s in the [[kitchen]], which helps you manage your food stock space. Well-prepared meals are also valuable [[trade]] goods, and make dwarves happy when eaten. Highly skilled cooks make better meals, and prepare meals faster. 
* '''[[Brewer]]:''' Brewers make [[booze]] in the [[still]]. Dwarves being dwarves, they need alcohol to operate at peak efficiency, and highly-skilled brewers make better tasting booze and finish brewing faster. Dwarves get happier when they drink good booze. 
* '''[[Herbalist]]:''' Herbalists gather food and seeds from [[shrub]]s in the local area. Skilled herbalists pick faster and come away with far more food. Where an unskilled herbalist will come away with one [[wild strawberry]] or none at all, a proficient herbalist will often pick 3, 4, or sometimes 5. 
* '''[[Woodcutter]]:''' Woodcutters fell [[tree]]s for use by [[carpenter]]s. Highly skilled woodcutters fell trees much faster. However, since you don't need that much wood, you can get away with a normal (no tag) woodcutter just fine. 
* '''[[Mechanic]]:''' Mechanics build and use [[mechanism]]s, which have myriad uses in [[trap]]s, [[lever]]s and some [[machine]]s. Highly skilled mechanics finish installing mechanisms much faster, and the mechanisms they build are of higher quality. However, the quality of the mechanism primarily matters to beginning players for its [[trade]] value, and in early fortresses the need for mechanisms is usually so small that any dwarf can pick it up and handle it well enough. Still, a solid choice, especially if you like [[trap]]s, which respond more quickly when made with higher-quality mechanisms. 
* '''[[Armorsmith]], [[Weaponsmith]], and [[Siege engineer]]:''' These 3 skills are not useful at all in an early fortress, but become very important later on, and training an unskilled dwarf in these skills is hard and requires a lot of material, so if you're in it for the long haul, consider them. 
* '''Military skills ([[Wrestler]], [[Axedwarf]], [[Hammerdwarf]], etc):''' Early on, it's unlikely that you'll need these, since there's generally very few things that will bother a band of dwarves who aren't hurting anyone, but certain places, such as those with a [[chasm]], will have hostile creatures around. In these areas, you may consider giving your woodcutter the Axedwarf skill so he can use his chopping axe as a weapon. 
* '''Social skills ([[Appraiser]], [[Judge of Intent]], [[Consoler]], etc):''' Putting these on one dwarf will make them a shoo-in for the Expedition Leader slot, and ranks in Appraiser and Judge of Intent will make interacting with the first caravan much easier. However, even if you don't train this at all, some persistence in trading with the first caravan will level your leader up enough to trade with the second caravan like a champion. 

Once again, examples can be found in the [[starting builds]] page. What you bring is incredibly dependent on your play style, though. Some people think bringing Mechanics along is a total waste of time, others consider them indispensable. Some people like having skills that aren't even on this list, like [[Leatherworker]]. Read the starting builds, ask questions, and explore! Who cares if your first idea doesn't work out after playing an hour? Restarting is easy and ''losing is fun''.

===Items===
Now that we're done with assigning skills, hit {{k|TAB}} to go over to the item screen. Item worth is another extremely situational thing, and you'll find as many opinions as there are Dwarf Fortress players as to what is good to bring. Once more, it depends VERY heavily on your play style. Again, [[starting builds]] can provide some good example reading. This section will only cover the basics and give you enough information to make your own decisions.

====Tools====
You'll need a couple of finished tools to get yourself started.
* '''[[Battle axe]]s''': Every [[Woodcutter]] needs an axe. Steel battle axes are the only type you can purchase on this screen, and they're expensive. You might want to bring just one, unless you expect to need a lot of lumber and/or axedwarf muscle. 
* '''[[Pick]]s''': Likewise, [[Miner]]s need picks. All picks work equally well, their material only determines the damage they do in combat. Thus, copper picks are the budgeting dwarf's choice, at a paltry 20☼ each. 
* '''[[Anvil]]''': One of the big questions to ask yourself is whether to bring an anvil on embark. It's extremely expensive at 1000☼, but to start a [[metal]] industry, you will either have to start with one or request and purchase (or steal!) one from a [[caravan]] somewhere down the line.

Generally, if you are going to a very mountainous area where you're likely to see lots of ore and you want to be able to make use of it right from the get-go, bring an anvil. If you're going to spend a few years getting your fortress established before worrying about metal production, drop it and bring more raw commodities. 

One occasional problem is that axes and picks are absent entirely. If this is the case, you can bring the materials to build these things yourself.
* Purchase an anvil.
* Purchase 3 rocks that are not [[lignite]], [[bituminous coal]], or [[graphite]]. Any other rocks will work fine.
* Purchase fuel for the forge. You can purchase it outright as charcoal at 10☼ per unit, or refine it yourself for a big savings.
** To refine it yourself, purchase one unit of charcoal, and several (at least 5) units of [[bituminous coal]]. When you arrive on site, make sure someone has the [[furnace operating]] labor enabled ({{k|v}} to select a dwarf, then select {{k|p}}references and {{k|l}}abor to designate a dwarf's labor assignments), and build a [[smelter]] (hit {{k|b}}, then {{k|e}}, then {{k|s}}). Order the smelter to turn bituminous coal into [[coke]]. [[Coke]] is functionally the same as [[charcoal]], and bituminous coal produces 3 coke for each hunk of rock you bring. You need the first hunk of charcoal to start the string, but after that it feeds itself.
* Purchase metal to shape. You can buy bars directly to save time, or again, smelt it yourself. Take [[copper]] to start out with. It's cheap, and with any luck your initial tools aren't going to see heavy combat. You can take the materials for [[bronze]], [[iron]], or [[steel]] if you like, but this is more expensive. Still, if you're willing to go through the process, you can end up with 2 steel axes, likely of decent quality, for 82☼, instead of 600☼, with no quality modifiers at all.
** If you want to save points and smelt it yourself, take copper nuggets instead of copper bars, and use the smelter to convert them into copper bars.
** A good ore to bring along is [[tetrahedrite]] - it acts simultaneously as the ore for copper and [[silver]], a good crafting metal. (That is, with every piece of tetrahedrite, you will always get a copper bar, and will sometimes get a silver bar as well [about a 20 percent chance, or one in five].) This kills two birds with one stone (heh): you still have your copper, and if you get silver you can smelt metal crafts for use as [[trade]] goods. 
* Fuel and metal in hand, deconstruct the smelter (if needed; {{k|q}} to highlight, then {{k|x}} to deconstruct), and construct a [[metalsmith's forge]]. Make sure someone has [[weaponsmith]]ing on. After the forge is up, order it to make the axes and picks you need. Deconstruct the forge when you're done and enjoy your new tools, hopefully with [[quality]] modifiers!

====Raw materials====
As it was briefly covered above, sometimes it makes more sense to bring a lot of raw materials than some finished goods. Raw materials are a lot cheaper than finished goods, and so long as you invest heavily in your dwarves' skills (which you should!), you can probably make better quality stuff, anyway.
*'''[[Stone]]''': Only bring this if you're trying to build some of your tools on the spot, as noted above. Otherwise, you will get stone coming out of your ears once you start mining. 
*'''[[Metal]]''': Generally not recommended. However, if you're expecting trouble and you're bringing an anvil, bringing many bars of [[iron]] and [[charcoal]] in lieu of a [[battle axe]] can be a big boon. If your dwarves can get to a spot that gives them a breather, a proficient [[weaponsmith]] or [[armorsmith]] could stamp out high-quality goods to give your dwarves a better fighting chance. This is a pretty advanced trick to pull off, though, so don't try to pull it if you're not confident. 
*'''[[Wood]]''': Wood is a bargain at only 3☼ per log, and the 100 logs you can bring in exchange for a steel battle axe will last you a long time. This is a great technique for making [[Woodcutter]] unneeded in the early game, but you need to budget your wood use for the first year very carefully. When you're out, you're out! 

====Consumables====
Easily the most important part of your preparation is what you're going to eat, drink, and plant once you get on site. Without food and booze, you're not going much of anywhere.
*'''[[Food]]''': Most food comes at a mere 2☼ per unit, and 8 units will feed 1 dwarf for a year. Bringing a year of food will give you a good cushion to getting your farms working, so aim for about 60 food if you can. If you must cut back, though, 40 will be fine if you make your farms an early priority. The best food staple to bring along is [[turtle]]. Turtle produces [[shell]] and [[bones]] when eaten, which can be used as raw materials for other things you need, including armor, crossbows, and crossbow bolts. Further, shell is a common request for [[strange mood]]s and is a pain to produce, so getting some early could save yourself a failed mood and a dead dwarf. 
*'''[[Booze]]''': Dwarves drink twice as often as they eat, and they always want to down some alcohol if at all possible. They also like different kinds of alcohol. Bring twice as much booze as you bring food, and divide it evenly among the 4 types of alcohol you can take ([[dwarven wine]], [[dwarven beer]], [[dwarven ale]], [[dwarven rum]]). 
*'''[[Seeds]]''': Your farms have got to start somewhere. Definitely bring along [[plump helmet spawn]] (for food and booze) and [[pig tails]] (for cloth ropes and booze variety). How many you bring is dependent on how big you want your initial farms to be. 5 of each is plenty to feed your initial dwarves, and you will get more seeds any time the plants are consumed in any way ''except cooking''. You may want to use the [[kitchen]] menu to disallow cooking of plump helmets until you have a healthy supply of seeds. Or, alternatively, just don't make any prepared meals until you've got a healthy supply of seeds. The other seed types require a lot more labor to use properly, and should probably wait until you have more dwarves in the fortress. You can buy seeds from the dwarven caravan for almost nothing, but if you want a greater variety along, go for [[rock nuts]]. The [[quarry bush]] that sprouts from it produces the greatest space to yield ratio in the game. Eventually, though, you should be planting all 6 of the underground [[crop]]s at least. 
Food and booze are stored in [[barrel]]s, with each type in its own barrel. Since barrels have a 10-unit capacity, you can get a lot of free barrels by starting with many, many kinds of food in quantities which in end 1. Barrels are important, and usually need wood to make, so it's worth it to use this quirk while you can by starting with at least one unit of every type of food. 
Seeds are stored in [[bag]]s in multiples of 14, also by type. Bags are not as important as barrels, since making cloth bags is a good way to train up your [[clothier]], but you ''can'' do the math to figure out how to get an extra bag for the cost of a single seed, if you're so inclined: get a multiple of 14, plus 1.

====Animals====
Not only dwarves live in your fortress, after all.
*'''[[Dog]]s''': Dogs are dwarf's best friend. They can be trained into [[hunting dog]]s or [[war dog]]s, require no food or maintenance, and make good pets for your dwarves. Always bring at least 2. Genders alternate when picking them up, so 2 will give you a breeding pair that will have more puppies freely. They make fantastic security early and fantastic dwarfsaving distractions later on. Dogs will happily lay down their lives to protect their master, which is huge when it means one of your best legendary dwarves is running away from an angry [[goblin]]. 
*'''[[Cat]]s''': Cats provide a wonderful function in controlling [[vermin]] in the fort. Vermin can make your dwarves extremely unhappy, so some cats are more or less a requirement. The largest problem with cats, however, is that their population is very difficult to control. Cats will choose their own owners (without the dwarf in question's consent), and after they've done so, you cannot order them butchered to control their numbers. The resulting [[catsplosion|population explosion]] can clutter hallways and murder your framerate. The best thing to do is to put all stray cats and kittens in a [[cage]] (one will hold them all). You can then butcher them without running the risk of the cats adopting dwarves before the butcher gets around to them, and if vermin start to get out of hand, you can always release one or two to help. If you want vermin control from the start, bring just ONE cat so it cannot breed and cause a population problem early. However, immigrants will very commonly bring their pet cats to the fortress, so if you can live with vermin early, you'll likely get a cat for free within a year. 
*'''Beasts of burden ([[Horse]]s, [[muskox]]en, etc)''': You will probably get a breeding pair of these for free when you start the game (they pull your starting wagon), and they will breed just as fast as anything else, so don't bring any along, and don't be afraid to use that [[cage]] to contain their numbers. Unlike cats, dwarves must choose to adopt beasts of burden, which they won't do unless they have a particular affinity for the animal. That's fairly rare, so the vast majority of the beasts of burden in your fortress will stay strays. 

Once again, check the [[starting builds]] page for more ideas, read the pages linked above, and experiment. The learning process is half the fun in Dwarf Fortress; enjoy it!

==Game on!==
We've chosen an area, selected our supplies, and we're ready to play. The game opens with your dwarves huddled around the wagon they used to get here.
==Gameplay overview==
This section will deal with the tasks you'll need to tackle in your first year of gameplay. These tasks are ''selecting a dig site'', ''building workshops'' (and ''marking stockpiles''), ''building lodging'', ''starting farms'', and ''trading''.
===Selecting a dig site===
You'll have to decide where you're going to dig in and start your fortress. You should consider the natural formations of the surrounding area when deciding where you want your main entrance. Ideally, there should be one way in and one way out. This one way should be fairly sizable, to pander to [[caravans]] and [[traffic]]. Proximity to a good [[water]] source so you can build a [[well]] more easily is also desirable. You can fix either of these things with extra digging and building later on, though, so don't sweat the decision too much.<r>

The most direct way to start is to find the side of a nearby mountain and dig into it, but if you're in a very flat area, you might have to dig downward instead. To start digging, hit {{k|d}}esignations, then {{k|m}}ine. Move your cursor using the arrow keys to where you want to dig, and hit {{k|ENTER}}, then move your cursor over to the place you want the digging to end. Mining designations are rectangular, so you can go both left and right and up and down as you're designating area. This tells your dwarves to cut into a wall and hollow it out, often leaving behind a [[stone]] if it is a rock wall. [[Soil]] walls become hollowed out, but never drop anything. These hollowed out areas are where you'll build the vast majority of everything you need. 

If you need to dig down instead of in, you need to use either a '''[[stairs|stairwell]]''' or a '''[[ramp]]'''. For a stairwell, use {{k|d}}esignations, and downward stairway ({{k|j}}). Note that this is only half of a stairwell. To build the other half, you must go down a z-level ({{k|>}}) and build an {{k|u}}pward stairway to connect to it. You are then underground and can use {{k|m}}ining normally. For a ramp, you must go down a z-level ({{k|>}}) and build a {{k|r}}amp on the area you want cut away. You do not need to build anything above it; your miners will figure it out. If you are building downward and want [[caravans]] to come down into your fortress, you will need to use [[ramp]]s, at least 3 right next to each other. Keep this in mind when deciding where you want to dig down. 

When designing your main entrance, be mindful that as many as 200 dwarves could be coming and going eventually, and that [[goblin]]s are going to want in at some point or another. A 3-wide entrance corridor is ideal. It is wide enough to accept a good amount of traffic and caravans, but narrow enough to use diabolical traps and designs to kill lots of goblins. Your main doors will have to be only 2-wide, though, as [[door]]s require a wall adjacent to them to build properly.

Once you've decided where you want your main entrance, it's time to move your supplies over there. We will have to set them outside for now, but we'll want to move them indoors as soon as we can. Press stock{{k|p}}iles, and designate areas for {{k|f}}ood, {{k|w}}ood, and {{k|r}}efuse. You can designate all sorts of stockpiles from this screen, so hit {{k|t}} and poke around in the custom stockpile settings for a little bit, figuring out what you can do. Do '''NOT''' designate a stone stockpile for now. It will eat up a lot of time unnecessarily. While we're organizing our supplies, deconstruct your wagon by pressing {{k|q}}uery, putting the cursor over your wagon, and pressing deconstruct ({{k|x}}). A dwarf with the [[carpentry]] labor enabled will come by and pull the wagon apart, turning it into 3 [[log]]s. The wagon is useless to you, so there's no reason to not do this. Some people prefer to wait until the wagon has been emptied before deconstructing it. In order to see the contents of a building, use the {{k|t}} command and scroll over the wagon.

Plan for your finished, 200-dwarf fortress right from the get-go. It's very easy to dig out new area. It's very HARD to go back and redo something the way it should've been from the start. 3-wide hallways is typically plenty for high-traffic areas.

===Building workshops===
Time to get some work done! Taking in raw materials and spitting out stuff that's useful: that's the name of the game for workshops. You should start putting down workshops as soon as you have raw materials. You'll need to get basic living provisions like [[bed]]s, [[table]]s, [[chair]]s, [[chest]]s, and the like down for not only your first 7 dwarves, but the [[immigrant]]s that could come at any time as soon as possible, so you can't waste any time. 

[[Stone]] will show up from your miners digging. Once you have an area with a decent amount of stone, you should get a [[mason's workshop]] built in the area. Check the [[workshop]] page for full details if you have problems building one. The keyboard command is:
* {{k|b}}uild order
* the {{k|w}}orkshops sub-menu
* {{k|m}}ason's workshop.

Once the workshop has been built by a dwarf with the [[stonecrafting]] [[labor]], you can {{k|q}}uery the workshop to find out what it's current orders are, {{k|a}}dd or {{k|c}}ancel orders, set an existing order to {{k|r}}epeat, order the workshop dismantled, and other tasks.

Add orders for a {{k|d}}oor, a {{k|t}}able, and a {{k|c}}hair. Stone chairs will show up as ''thrones'' in the orders. They are exactly the same. Then set each order to repeat. This workshop will now make [[door]]s, [[table]]s, and [[chair]]s until you tell it to stop. You'll need a lot of these, so that's OK.

Also build a [[carpenter's workshop]] near the wood stockpile you designated earlier, and tell it to make {{k|b}}eds. Put this on {{k|r}}epeat, also. The wood you brought along, even after disassembling your wagon, won't last long. If you brought along a [[woodcutter]], now would be a good time to get him to chop down some trees. Hit {{k|d}}esignations, and then hit chop down {{k|t}}rees. Chopping designations work exactly like mining designations, but it will only highlight trees in the rectangle you give it. Don't worry about chopping a ton of wood right now; trees don't go anywhere fast, so you can always come back for more.

While making workshops anywhere the material happens to be works fine right now, you will want a more organized way of doing it later. Check out the [[Design_strategies#Workshop_Logistics|workshop logistics]] page for ideas on how to set it up. After you do get things set up, be sure to move your stockpiles underground; aboveground stockpiles are vulnerable to thieves and are usually a long way away. Don't be afraid to tear down workshops; they are built quickly and easily, and tearing them down does absolutely nothing harmful, even returning the materials used in it's construction. Be aware that workshops create [[noise]] when they are in use, which can disturb your dwarves' sleep, so don't build them close to any [[bed]]s.

===Building lodging===
With commodities coming out, it's time to set up places where they can be used. 

Tell your miners to dig out a large (5x5 minimum) room to become your [[barracks]]. The barracks is essentially a communal sleeping room where dwarves without their own apartment can come to crash. It is also the place where your [[military]] will come to [[sparring|spar]] once you start recruiting soldiers. Since your military hangs out in the barracks a lot, it's a good idea to put it near the main entrance of the fortress. If [[thieves]] stumble in, they are likely to meet a very grisly end as they bump into a pair of dwarves in the middle of combat training, and later, in case of a more major attack, they are more likely to be closer to where you need them. Note, however, that sparring dwarves can very seriously [[wound|hurt]] or kill eachother if their sparring area is too crowded, so keep beds stacked along one wall and the rest of the room clear and uncluttered. You do not need too many beds in the barracks right now. Beds in the barracks are public, and dwarves have their own schedules, so the entire fortress will not sleep at once.

After the barracks is dug, tell your dwarves to {{k|b}}uild a {{k|b}}ed. Your cursor will come up, turning red on an unacceptable location and green on an acceptable location. Unacceptable locations will give you a short reason as to why they're unacceptable. Again, just stack beds against one wall of the barracks; 5 beds will be fine to start out with. After indicating the placement of the beds, your dwarves will haul them over and install them. Once they are installed, {{k|q}}uery a bed, then make a {{k|r}}oom. Use the {{k|+}} and {{k|-}} keys to size the room that will be considered the barracks. All beds within the flashing square will be considered public, so there's no need to do this more than once. Fill up the whole 5x5 area ({{k|b}}uild {{k|d}}oors if you need to cordon off the area to make it a nice square) and hit {{k|ENTER}}. You've created your first [[room]]! A room status screen shows up. Be sure to hit {{k|b}} to confirm that it is a barracks. If you don't, the first dwarf that sleeps in this room will claim it as his or her apartment, which isn't what we want. 

The barracks will keep your dwarves from sleeping on the floor, which would make them [[thought|unhappy]]. As the game goes on, though, it is a very good idea to move dwarves into their own apartments. They get much [[thought|happier]] for it, it keeps traffic down, and provides you with some more diabolical options such as locking a troublemaker in his room by {{k|q}}uerying the door and {{k|l}}ocking (forbidding) it. See the [[bedroom design]] page for ideas on how to set up your apartments. 

With bedding handled, we need to set up a [[dining room]], which will double as our [[meeting area]]. Dwarves will eat in their apartment sometimes if you install a table and chair in it, but mostly, dwarves prefer to eat in a public [[dining room|dining hall]] with a table all to themselves. As the [[meeting area]], dwarves will also show up there whenever they have nothing better to do (have 'No Job') to socialize and kill time. It is a pretty high-traffic area, so be sure to use double-doors as the entrance and exit. It should again be fairly large (25 tiles minimum; this could be 5x5, 4x6, whatever suits your fancy). Once it's dug out, {{k|b}}uild {{k|t}}ables along the walls, and then {{k|b}}uild {{k|c}}hairs next to the tables, one per table. Once a table is laid out, {{k|q}}uery the table and make a {{k|r}}oom out of it. Fill up the dining hall area, and hit {{k|ENTER}}. Be sure to hit {{k|p}} to set it as a meeting area, and you're done here.

As with most kinds of furniture, dwarves can walk through tiles containing tables, chairs and beds. The most notable exception to this are [[statue]]s.

===Starting farms===
The basics of life are in place! Now it's just a matter of getting the farms in place to make sure life goes on. 

[[Farming]] is the most reliable source of food in the game, and the only way to be sure you're going to feed a large population. The catch is, we can only farm on [[mud]] or [[soil]]. Mud is only created through [[irrigation]], which is complicated and more trouble than it's worth if you have access to any serious quantity of soil. Avoid using irrigation if you can. The logistics of controlling enough water to make arable land on stone are extremely annoying.

On [[soil]], however, farming couldn't be easier. Simply mine out an area of soil (underground, since the seeds you can embark with will NOT grow aboveground), then {{k|b}}uild a farm {{k|p}}lot. Use {{k|u}}, {{k|m}}, {{k|k}}, and {{k|j}} to resize your plot to the size you want; 3x3 should be plenty to start out, and you will max out at roughly 30 to 40 total squares being used for food and booze production to support a full fortress. This changes some depending on the skill of your [[grower]]s, but it's a fair guideline. After placing the farmland, a dwarf with the Farming (Fields) labor enabled will come by and prepare it for use. After it's done, {{k|q}}uery the new field and decide on your crops for each season. The crop display will show every crop that can possibly be planted there - it does not nessecerally mean you have seeds to plant. [[Plump helmet]]s are best for your first field, since they can be brewed to [[booze]], eaten raw, and cooked. If you find some seasons have red letters, that is because the season has already passed and you cannot edit it again this year. You will have to pick it up in the spring of the following year. Be aware that Dwarf Fortress will '''NOT''' give you an error if you attempt to plant something you have no seeds of. It will give you an error if you '''run out''' of seeds after starting planting, but not if you simply have none to begin with. If you can't remember what kind of seeds you have, check around your wagon and your designated food stockpile using {{k|k}} for a seeds bag. Hit {{k|Enter}} when you find it to inspect the bag and see what kind of seeds it carries. Later on, you will be able to find it more easily using the {{k|z}} key and the "Stocks" menu, but right now your stocks will lack the precision to use the "zoom" key. See the [[bookkeeper]] article for more information on stockpile precision.

Eventually, you will want to be planting many, many different kinds of crops. [[Dimple cups]] are great later on, because they produce [[dimple dye]], which can be used to increase the value of the clothing your fortress produces. [[Cave wheat]] can be used to provide fodder for luxury prepared meals, and to make more brewing fodder. As your fortress grows and you need more and more luxuries to keep everyone happy, diversifying can only help you.

On a note about [[irrigation]] before wrapping this section up, mud behaves almost identically to soil. All below-ground crops can be grown equally well on either, and you build and place the plots exactly the same. There are a few differences, though. Mud can be [[Farming#Increasing_yield|fertilized]] with [[potash]], while dry soil cannot. Some above-ground crops can only be grown in mud, while others can only be planted in dry soil. Check the [[crops]] page for more details. Irrigation is a very advanced technique that provides only marginal benefits. Some "unlivable" areas can be turned around with skillful irrigation and fertilizer, but by and large they're not necessary. Just use soil whenever you can.

=== Trade ===

Now that you've given your dwarves a place to sleep and avoided the possibility of starvation, you can start thinking about the finer things in life.

First, we'll take care of a few organizational considerations, to make trading easier. Our carpenter will take care of this, since he's done making beds. Order up 2 or 3 [[bucket]]s. Buckets are used to carry water to injured, bedridden dwarves from water source [[zone]]s and are one of the requirements to building a [[well]]. Then, get to work stamping out some [[bin]]s. Bins are used to store a lot of non-perishable items in the same square; they work much the same as [[barrel]]s, but barrels are used on perishables like food and booze. You'll need a LOT of bins, but for the moment 5 or so will do. You will also need to make a lot of barrels, but since you brought a number of them with you, you can hold off a bit. Both of these can be made from [[metal]] as well, but producing them from wood is far more economical.

Since you have all this stone lying around, let's put it to use. Build a [[Craftsdwarf's workshop]], assign one of your dwarves to [[stonecrafting]]. Order this [[workshop]] to build rock {{k|c}}rafts of all sorts {{k|r}}epeatedly. Stone mugs are a good trade good - you get three mugs from one stone, adding up to 30☼ at the start. Since your stonecrafter will level up relatively quickly (and if you have several dwarves working on stonecrafts) this can quickly add up to several thousand monies worth of goods.

Now that you've got some goods to [[trade]], we'll need to {{k|b}}uild a trade {{k|d}}epot. Build this somewhere easily accessible from all edges of the map, but close to (or inside) your entrance. [[Trade depot]]s require [[architecture]] and a [[mason]], assuming you make it out of your copious quantities of stone. Many times you will not have an [[building designer]] on embark, so you will have to assign one to get the [[architecture]] phase of the depot done.

In the long term, you'll want your trade depot to be in a defensible spot. As it is 5x5 squares, and requires a 3-square wide path for the caravans to get in and out of it, you'll eventually want to spend some time thinking about its [[defense]]. Once the depot has been completed, you can check for depot access using the {{k|shift}}-{{k|D}} key.

The first caravan will come in your first autumn: the dwarven caravan from the mountainhome. When it comes, the game will pause, you'll be alerted, and the screen will center on the [[caravan]]. If you do not have a depot, or they can't get to it, they will wait on the edge of the map for you to build a depot they can get to, or to clear the obstructions. The two most common obstructions are [[tree]]s and [[boulder]]s. Trees can be chopped down, and boulders can be eliminated by {{k|d}}esignating them to be {{k|s}}moothed. This uses the [[stone detailing]] labor, so turn it on if you need.

After the caravan is on its way, you'll need to fill the depot with things to trade, and get a trader there to broker the negotiations. Hit {{k|q}}uery over the depot and press {{k|g}} to start moving supplies. Use the arrow keys to navigate the trade goods window. If you've been making stone crafts, you'll want the ''crafts'' heading to make the game filter out the bins you've been filling. Otherwise, you'll have to sift through every stone you've created while digging the fortress, which is a huge pain. Press {{k|ENTER}} on the bins to mark them for trading, and some dwarves will come along to haul the bins to the depot. Once that's take care of, {{k|q}}uery the depot and {{k|r}}equest a trader there. By default, only the broker will trade at the depot. This is generally what you want, since brokers with better [[appraisal]] skills can see the worth of all the commodities and tend to get away with giving the caravan boss a lower profit margin on the trade. Trading at the depot is a low-priority job, though, so you may have to turn off your broker's other labors temporarily to get him to respond to the request in a timely manner. Once your broker is at the depot, {{k|q}}uery the depot and start {{k|t}}rading.

On the screen that comes up, the left side shows the trader's goods, while the right side shows your own. Use the arrow keys to navigate and {{k|ENTER}} to mark something for trading. If your trader does not have at least Novice Appraiser in his skill set, you will not be able to see the values of everything, so you'll have to guess. The caravan boss will refuse to sell at a loss, and if you're close to making a deal, he'll give you a counteroffer that he'd accept. Being able to see the values of things is really helpful, but don't worry if you can't. It usually only takes one or two successful trades before your broker will hit Novice Appraiser and all will become known to you. One fun note is that raw materials cost the same from merchants as they do at the embark screen; so you already know that [[plump helmets]] are 4☼, most meat is 2☼, wooden logs are 3☼, and so on. It's difficult to know the value of your crafts, and some things must be bought as a package deal (you cannot buy seeds alone, you must also buy the bag they come in), though, so it can still be hard to trade without Appraiser.

On your first year, you're probably pretty light on things to trade with, so start small. Wood [[log]]s are very useful and cheap. Extra food can be useful if your farms are lagging behind. Maybe a barrel or two. Sell what goods you have and don't fret about it any longer.

Next year, after you get some immigrants you can think about exploring other kinds of industry as well, like the [[furniture industry]], [[meat industry]], or [[clothing industry]], but this is a great place to start.

The last element to trading is the [[liason]]. The dwarven liason will want to meet with your [[expedition leader]] to work out your requests for next year, and let you know what their requests are. By making a request of the caravan, you are essentially promising to pay more (up to double the normal price) for various things, which entices the traders to bring more of those things. Wood logs are always a great thing to request. Even at double the normal price, they're still very cheap, and merchants bring a lot of them. It's not unusual to get 50 logs from a single caravan. It saves you a massive amount of time and effort. [[Barrel]]s and [[bag]]s are also good to request, as are [[dog]]s. You can also request [[seed]]s to get your more diverse crops started. Look around, explore, and experiment. That's half the fun of the game.

The liason will also tell you what they want from you, with the same deal: they'll pay more for it if you build it. Unfortunately, they usually want stupid things that don't trade well (such as stone [[block]]s) or things you'd rather keep to yourself (such as [[booze]]). Many players simply ignore their liason's requests and build the same things they always build. Diplomatic relations will not suffer at all.

Your expedition leader must actually pick up the job ''conduct meeting'' to get this process done, and it ends up being a very low-priority job, so again, you may consider turning off your leader's other labors to make sure he gets to it. If you really want to force the liason to take the meeting, move him to the meeting spot by enlisting him in the [[Military]] and [[Military#Controlling your squads|stationing]] him at the meeting spot. Then [[Door#Door settings|forbid the door]] behind him and the liason, locking them in until the meeting is completed (when the Liason says "Goodbye" in a message).

=== The future ===

After this point, you'll be able to start exploring the other intricacies of the game. Here is a list of some other gameplay commands which have not been covered:

* [[labor]]
* [[noble]]s
* [[military]]

==Sample games==
These are sample games that others have played and recorded to provide good learning examples. They are not routinely updated, so some information may be out of date, but they still provide good hands-on tutorials of how to prepare for your fortress and play the game.

[[Indecisive's illustrated fortress mode tutorial]] 
[[Savok's first fortress playthrough]] 
[[ThunderClaw's 0.28.181.40d graphical tileset playthrough]]
[[Category:Guides]]

{{Starting FAQ}}

40d Talk:Gem

2009-01-08T00:20:28Z

GreyMario: /* Organization */

So... What's the difference between large gems and cut gems? [[User:Xaque|Xaque]] 09:42, 7 November 2007 (EST)
:Large gems are a "finished produce." Cut gems are used to decorate stuff [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:12, 9 November 2007 (EST)
::So how do I make large gems for a mandate? All the ones I have cut just end up ordinary sized (no label). [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 04:45, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
:::Ok there is a small percentage chance that a gem will be cut into a large gem. Had to cut some 20+ gems to fill my mandate. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 06:12, 3 April 2008 (EDT)
:::You make large gems by having a legendary gem cutter try several times. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 00:00, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

most of the gems have specific environments, but it would be a huge pain to organize it [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:12, 9 November 2007 (EST)

Toady One said under such metals as [[Bismuth bronze]] that he was trying to avoid using names specific to real-world places. I see several gems where he wasn't able to avoid it. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 23:10, 9 November 2007 (EST)

== Glass bar ==
:''However, this appears to requires a Glass Bar, which is not possible to create at the current time.''
I'll have to double check this when I get back to the machine with dwarf fortress on it - but I seem to recall being able to make 'raw glass' which made a glass block.
I would also suggest changing the redirect for glass to gem - there is a significant amount of material that is unique to glass that is not appropriate for gems in general. --[[User:Shagie|Shagie]] 03:22, 10 November 2007 (EST)
::Can't make glass bars. You can make raw glass which comes out as a rough gem, or you can make glass blocks. Glass blocks are not gems and one cannot become the other. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 00:00, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

== Availability ==
Alright, during my hours of game play, I've found out that depth(in z-levels) and the maximum rarity/value of available gems within the current layer are connected. The deeper you dig, the more valuable gems you'll find. However... With modding I've discovered that it's impossible to find very valuable metamorphic, sedimentary and igneous extrusive only gems. Since those layers never reach the necessary depth. It also means that more valuable metamorphic, sedimentary and igneous extrusive only gems are a lot more rarer than their igneous intrusive counter parts. Could anyone conform this? [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 13:29, 20 November 2007 (EST)
:Whoops! I messed up the layers! Fixed it. Oh, and the rarity of a gem seems to be dependent on it's value. [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 08:58, 21 November 2007 (EST)
:Have you tried maps with steep cliffs? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 14:37, 21 November 2007 (EST)
::I haven't run tests on steeper than 4 Z-level cliffs, but from what I gather, the maximum rarity of gems available at the any given depth is calculated based on the relative depth not absolute depth. Meaning that, wherever you are, you need to dig the same amount of Z-levels to reach any specific rarity of gems. It's the same as stone layers. If there's a cliff within a biome, then the underlaying layers will begin at a higher Z-level below the cliff, depending on high the cliff is. I hope, that I'm not too confusing here... [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 08:38, 22 November 2007 (EST)
:::I suspect it may work by the listed depth. The number that shows up when you loo{{k|k}} at a tile, which refers how many levels you would need to count directly upward to reach the surface. On a severe cliff map you can easily have a "depth" of 15+ among the sedimentary layers. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 16:36, 23 November 2007 (EST)

:::: Once I found a star sapphire(?) quite shallow within the mountain, I found it when I was building my prison so I only had about 70 Dorfs at the time, bug or luck? [[User:Hoborobo|Hoborobo]] 08:30, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

== Rock crystal ==

Can anyone confirm that this gem can be found in this version? In what stone layers/at what depth did you find one? It's material value should better be like that of a diamond because raw crystal glass is needed for moods from time to time.--[[User:Another|Another]] 09:38, 22 November 2007 (EST)

According to forum, people have round it [[User:Coelocanth|Coelocanth]] 12:24, 23 November 2007 (EST)
: I can confirm finding a cluster of rock crystal in ver 40d. It was on the bottom level of my map (z=134) in a layer of diorite. --[[User:Jellyfishgreen|Jellyfishgreen]] 16:37, 5 January 2009 (EST)

== Redirects ==

There should be a redirect for each gem type to the subsection containing that gem. For example, I just created [[Heliodor]] as <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Gem#Semi-Precious]]</nowiki>. IMO, any game item should go straight from the search box to the most relevant article: that is what redirects do.
So <s>if</s> when a whole slew of redirects show up linking here... yeah, ididit.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 04:55, 11 February 2008 (EST)

== What the various gems look like in real life ==

I got bored one afternoon and put together a website with pictures of most of the various gems listed in the game. It is located at [http://www.geocities.com/dwarven.gemologist]
--[[User:Dwarven Gemologist|Gemmy]] 16:04, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

:<nowiki>http://www.geocities.com/dwarven.gemologist/gems.html</nowiki>
:"Sorry, the page you requested was not found." --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 18:00, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

Wow, I thought after ten years of building websites that I would automatically double check my links. It's fixed now. --[[User:Dwarven Gemologist|Gemmy]] 01:05, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

==Organization==
:Is there any reason the page is organized as it is? Wouldn't it make more sense to sort gems alphabetically within rarity categories? Or at least group similar gems (ie, Opals, etc...) within rarity categories? Because the current layout is not useful for locating particular gems. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 01:02, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

::You're right. You should go and organize it.--[[User:Richards|Richards]] 01:11, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

:::Went ahead and did it, since it was getting on my nerves as well. --[[User:Sinergistic|Sinergistic]] 22:22, 4 January 2009 (EST)

:::: Ok, the current setup is nice, it's alphabetized, but I was just looking at the [[creatures]] page, and it hit me. Why don't we do the same thing for the gems page? We could sort it by name, value and location. However, I don't know how the wiki syntax for that would work. I will attempt to figure it out for my self unless someone wants to point me in the right direction. I was thinking of just adapting the creature page to the gems page, but the more I look at it, the more I think it was written excusivily for the creature page. I shall investigate. --[[User:Sinergistic|Sinergistic]] 19:05, 7 January 2009 (EST)

:::::It's possible - it just takes some time. Which I don't have as I'm currently supposed to be working on a school project. Btw, if you're curious, [[Template:Creature table head|header template]], [[Template:Creature table row|row template]], [[Template:Creature table footer|redundant footer template]]. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 19:20, 7 January 2009 (EST)

== quality ==

can gem cuts get quality modifiers?
:no, but normal rough gems will occasionally be cut into a large gem- the item does get a quality modifier. (and that is usually how legendary gem cutters are born)

== moonstone ==

isn't a gem unless some new version was released
:Yep, it is a gem. I can post a screencap if needed. --[[User:Toloran|Toloran]] 21:16, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

:: I found it t0o... I'll see if I can add the info. [[User:Zara|Zara]] 11:45, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

{{game Data|
[MATGLOSS_STONE:MOONSTONE]

[VALUE:2][COLOR:7:7:1][TILE:15][GEM:moonstone:STP]

[ENVIRONMENT:METAMORPHIC:CLUSTER_SMALL:100]}}[[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 11:25, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

== Game vs. Real Gem Locations ==

Am I the only one getting annoyed at some of the bizarre decisions made by Toady One with respect to gems? Rubies and Sapphires are both produced in igneous rock, although generally mined from placer deposits because they are sparsely distributed. Ruby forms in extrusive igneous, typically basalt. Why they are found in Bauxite in the game I can't even begin to fathom, especially as Bauxite is only notable as an *aluminum* ore (although not within the technology level of the game). Placer deposits should be gravels or the sedimentary compressions thereof (probably sand and/or sandstone in the game, although that's not quite right because the game doesn't handle riverine deposits at all - or we should have dwarves able to pan for gold/gems).

And diamonds igniting when contacting magma is really funny considering Kimberlite is cooled magma that brought the diamonds up from the lower mantle.

--[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 11:14, 3 December 2008 (EST)
:I don't know enough geology to say anything about the Rubies and Sapphires, but the Diamonds catching fire does actually make sense. Diamonds are nothing but pure carbon, add a bit of oxygen and a good deal of heat and soon nothing will be left. The Diamonds form slowly as the magma cools into Kimberlite, and the reason they don't combust when surrouned by warm stone is due to the lack of oxygen for the carbon to bond with and the massive pressure. --[[User:Alkyon|Alkyon]] 13:24, 3 December 2008 (EST)

::Diamonds are much older than the Kimberlite deposits. They don't form in the Kimberlite - they form in the upper mantle and are brought to/near the surface by the Kimberlite. Most diamonds on the market are over 1 billion years old. So the actual diamond survives magma temperatures for its trip to the surface. Just because they're carbon doesn't mean that carbon is easily available for oxidation - at some temperature diamonds revert to graphite and then can burn, but that requires temperatures in excess of 1700 degrees C. As magma (in-game) is between 1300-1400 deg C, it shouldn't cause diamonds to become graphite, and thus they shouldn't burn. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 14:00, 3 December 2008 (EST)

:The thing that really gets to me is the adamantine. [[User:Gairabad|Gairabad]] 18:22, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Template talk:Creature table head

2009-01-08T00:18:02Z

GreyMario: New page: Talk's started going about saying the Gem page should be done in a similar manner as the Creatures page, and I support this idea - anyone up for converting this template and [[Temp...

Talk's started going about saying the [[Gem]] page should be done in a similar manner as the [[Creatures]] page, and I support this idea - anyone up for converting this template and [[Template:Creature table row]] for use in the Gem page? I don't have the time, myself D: --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 19:18, 7 January 2009 (EST)

40d Talk:Bridge

2009-01-07T05:03:11Z

GreyMario: /* Megabeasts break bridges even without atomsmashing? */

==Fluids vs bridges==
Does a raised bridge prevent the flow of fluids? Guess I'll experiment and see if I can answer my own question. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 21:21, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:Yes. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 04:55, 1 March 2008 (EST)

==picture: south-raising drawbridge==
Here's a picture of a bridge that raises South, to clear up any confusion over which direction bridges raise. [[User:Basilisk|Basilisk]] 18:03, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
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== Items... ==

When a creature is crushed by a bridge, what happens to the items they had?--[[User:Lordmick134|Lordmick134]]

:When the bridge lowers, it completely ans permanently destroys anything it crashes on. So, there will be absolutely nothing under bridge, when it raises back.--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 03:29, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

::Not true! I had trapped a goblin inside a room with a bridge in it, and set the lever connected to the bridge to be repeatedly pulled. The goblin was stunned at most.--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 09:37, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

:::The goblin was likely ''flung'' from the bridge after stepping onto the extended bridge which then raised with the goblin still on it. Crushing is definitely an irrevocable and utter destruction. --[[User:JT|JT]] 16:30, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

== Channeling ==

Checked the [[channel]]ing article, nothing there, either. I have a bridge that raises to the right to form a wall, part of my outer defensive perimeter. I was digging a channel around the fortification wall and wanted to channel under the bridge. I raised the bridge ... I cannot channel. It never creates the flashy 'this is gonna be channeled' designation anywhere where the bridge could lay over. I can channel any where else. I can also remove the bridge, channel what I want, and replace the bridge just fine. What gives? Is this a known bug? --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 02:35, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

:As far as I know you can't dig on constructions. When the bridge is raised it is still considered to be constructed there. (or something like that) I had the same problem with some retracting bridges. To fix it I just removed the bridges and dug the channels, and then rebuilt them. --[[User:Lotus|Lotus]] 10:13 (CST) June 11, 2008

== Bridges as a temporary wall ==

I want to build a wall by pulling a lever, to block off a tunnel three squares wide.
It is a mine tunnel with no channel above it.

How long should the bridge be?

It looks like this:
<div style="font-family: monospace; white-space: pre; line-height: 126.5%"><nowiki>
▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒ò▒▒▒
.........╥.........
.........║.........
.........╨.........
▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒
</nowiki></div>

[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 05:12, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Well, you have to be careful. Don't forget, by raising a bridge, you can potentially obliterate your dwarves in the process. So try not to make it too wide. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:41, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:My question is, if I make it too long will it smash into the roof or anything?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:09, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::As far as I know of, it won't smash into the roof. The only concern is that if the bridge is too long, a dwarf may get accidently crushed. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:14, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:::Buildings that span multiple/variable z-levels are, at the current time, not possible. So, just build a 1x3 bridge, set it to raise west or east, and you have a wall! A toggleable wall! --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:09, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::::I'd suggest doing a 2x bridge, as you'll have to track down the lever anytime you're curious as to whether the bridge is up or down, as a 1x or x1 bridge looks the same raised or lowered when raised on it's short axis. (e.g. the bridge above would look the same raised or lowered.) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 09:59, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

== Retractable/drawbridge ==

How can you specify which type of bridge you want to build? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:45, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:When you go to place a bridge, by default it retracts. If you press wadxs you change the direction it raises: w = north, a= west, d=east, x=south, s=retracts. I don't know how to set the direction it retracts though.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:12, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::So if it retracts, it creates an impassable wall? -[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:15, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:::No, it disappears. If it raises, it creates an impassable wall, whose direction is the same as the raise direction. Try it out.
:::And, Garrie, it isn't possible to set retract direction since there is no such thing. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:09, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::::Well I guess it doesn't really matter which way it retracts... although if a bridge is built outward from a cliff running east-west out to the chasm which is to the north then obviously the bridge retracts back to the edge it is anchored at (it can hardly retract back into mid-air...).[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 23:22, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

:::::Oh, really? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:32, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

::::::well I guess applying common sense to DF might not be the best idea... but common sense would [bold]suggest [/bold] the bridge retracts back to where it was built from.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 00:03, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

:::::::We don't use BBcode here. I don't think that even is BBcode, but it is in that style. To make '''bold text''', type <code><nowiki>'''bold text'''</nowiki></code>.
:::::::And you're right that applying common sense to DF doesn't work. Even the least of peasants can carry thousands of pounds pebbles in a backpack. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:06, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

== Bridge-on-bridge action ==

I've just added a note about retractable bridges being able to be built using existing bridges as support. However I'm currently unable to test what happens when an intermediary bridge is retracted or raised (I have no stone for mechanisms!). I'm assuming that any bridges relying on the retracted/raised bridge for support will collapse, but it should be tested (and noted), if someone else has the time and inclination! [[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 12:04, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

: I can confirm that when the first bridge is retracted the second one deconstructs. And also if you choose to do your testing using extreme cliffs and "accidently" make 6 of your 7 dwarves stand on the second bridge then they will die a horrible death after falling 18 stories. --[[User:Makuus|Makuus]] 16:54, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::What if you raise both of the bridges at the same time? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:48, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

:::The same thing happens, the second bridge deconstructs again --[[User:Makuus|Makuus]] 13:48, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
::::I attempted this quite some time ago, I think. I had something like ten bridges in a row built off a cliff, and retracted them all at once with one lever. All but the first one (which was connected to the cliff) shattered into stones instantly. --[[User:SL|SL]] 10:29, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

== lockdown system ==

in one of my old forts i had a setup so if the opponent got near my bridges a lever would be pulled and the opponents would fall into the lava with a godlike imp in it, it would use multiple bridges however and i would have to rebuild atleast 1, it was sort of like a tesselation of crosses

== Flying Bridge ==
Build stairs up. Build stairs down atop it. Build a retracting bridge extending into open air from the downstairs. Link the retracting bridge to a lever. Pull the lever to retract the bridge. Deconstruct the down stairs. Deconstruct the up stairs. Pull the lever. Remove the lever. Bridge flies. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 11:38, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
:Shame this can't be used to build eg. twisty retractable catwalks due to the above confirmations in Bridge-on-bridge action. :/ --[[User:Heron|Heron]] 09:46, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
::You could probably get something similar by just having occasional pillars sticking up, constructed by building towers of stairs, building a wall adjacent, then deconstructing the stairs. If you have each bridge anchored to one pillar, you ought to be able to get many retractable bridges in a sequence. --[[User:AlexChurchill|AlexChurchill]] 12:08, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
:::More testing. Retracted bridges never deconstruct. Make a chain as long as you like by keeping them all retracted until scaffolding is removed. Un-retracting bridges never deconstuct nor cause deconstruction. To make a path of multiple flying bridges build a scaffold for the first bridge, retract it, deconstruct the scaffold, build the second scaffold, retract that bridge, deconstruct that scaffold, and so forth. You can then unretract all bridges in any order and they'll all stay up. Retracting them again in any order caused them to fall. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 09:00, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

== Stockpiles under bridges ==

I tried to make a refuse stockpile with a drawbridge over top, and I couldn't place the stockpile where the bridge would lower onto. Can anyone else confirm this for the new version? [[User:Falcondude|Falcondude]] 11:05, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
:Yeah, that won't work. If you are trying to make a garbage compactor, make a ledge and designate a garbage dump with (i) that will drop the items where the bridge will close.[[User:Trevlyn13|Trevlyn13]]

== Drawbridge vs colossus ==

Yesterday a bronze colossus got trapped between my 2 moats, right under the drawbridge. It was too close to the catapults so that the operators wouldn't fire them, so I tried to crush it with the bridge.
My bridge broke instead.
(later I killed it by shooting hundreds of arrows)
If anyone could replicate this, and also experiment with other megabeasts....
(actually I made this account to tell people about this)
[[User:nautilusfossil|nautilusfossil]]
:As far as I know, Dwarven Atom Crushers™ break on megabeasts and demons. Cage Traps are the way to go for megabeasts, but demons are immune against them.
:I don't know about semi-megabeasts considering bridge-breaking. [[User:MC Dirty|MC Dirty]] 18:17, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

== Dwarves negative thoughts regarding crushed friends ==

Dwarves respond to friends or family members being crushed by a drawbridge as if they'd been killed & then not buried: "He was forced to endure the decay of a sibling lately. He lost a sibling to tragedy recently." (I'm certain this was due to the drawbridge, as all the siblings *except* the one that was crushed had these negative thoughts. Nobody else in the family had been killed by anything yet.) --[[User:Sev|Sev]] 14:49, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

== Melty mechanisms... redux? ==

Curiosity kills my dwarves - I'm not wasting the time to do this myself. Will mechanisms melt out of bridges that are submerged in magma? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 22:31, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
:I have no idea, this is a good question. While writing a reply of my thoughts I kept re-thinking some things. If Magma passes over the bridge I'm pretty certain that the mechanism will act like a flood gate's. It will not melt away as long as you don't raise the bridge. If you do raise the bridge, the mechanism will melt away and the bridge could do a number of things. Before I keep typing about what I think will/could happen, I'm just going to go ahead and pass on a wall of text. [[User:Dakira|Dakira]] 1844, 28 September 2008 (PST)
::But fluids cannot enter the tile of a raised bridge, whereas they can enter the tile of a lowered bridge. In this way, a raised bridge would be analogous to a _closed_ floodgate, and a lowered bridge to an _open_ one. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 21:51, 25 November 2008 (EST)

== Bridges and wagons? ==

Is is possible for wagons to drive over bridges? I would assume so, but I don't want to get hasty. --[[User:W-dueck|w-dueck]] 23:50, 3 December 2008 (EST)
:yes, anything can pass over them. [[User:Dangerous Beans|Dangerous Beans]] 00:29, 4 December 2008 (EST)
:: Okay, thanks. Now that the mean kobolds can't escape when they steal my stuff, I am free to bludgeon them with random objects! --[[User:W-dueck|w-dueck]] 18:39, 4 December 2008 (EST)
:::You have to spot them first, though. Put war dogs on restraints in a recessed area that leads to the trade depot.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 22:08, 4 December 2008 (EST)

== Indestructible Caravan ==
I needed to test out my whammer slammer bammer on something but no goblins volunteered for so long I was forced to attack the dwarven caravan instead. The mighty bridge swung down upon the lone wagon and was riven like a banana dipped in liquid nitrogen, leaving the wagon unscathed. If we could breed and train war wagons we'd rule the world. The 3-tile-wide parts of it anyway. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 18:55, 9 December 2008 (EST)

:But a single cave swallowman can scuttle an entire wagon in two milliseconds. Maybe wagons count as a megabeast? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:00, 9 December 2008 (EST)

== Megabeasts break bridges even without atomsmashing? ==

Situation: I captured a Titan and pitted it onto a drawbridge from a platform a Z-level above. The drawbridge is retractable and linked to a level. Logically, pulling the level will make the drawbridge retract and the Titan will plummet to his death.

But it didn't happen. The bridge refuses to budge. I haven't got a message about it whatsoever.

Is it possible for a Titan to break ''any'' drawbridge operation whatsoever no matter the end result?

--[[User:Shurikane|Shurikane]] 22:34, 6 January 2009 (EST)

:<s>Yes. A bridge is a non-construction building. Therefore entities with [BUILDINGDESTROYER] can nuke them.</s> I doubt it. Did you find any mechanisms lying around, like next to the lever? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 00:02, 7 January 2009 (EST)

40d Talk:Bridge

2009-01-07T05:02:31Z

GreyMario: /* Megabeasts break bridges even without atomsmashing? */

==Fluids vs bridges==
Does a raised bridge prevent the flow of fluids? Guess I'll experiment and see if I can answer my own question. [[User:Yvain|Yvain]] 21:21, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:Yes. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 04:55, 1 March 2008 (EST)

==picture: south-raising drawbridge==
Here's a picture of a bridge that raises South, to clear up any confusion over which direction bridges raise. [[User:Basilisk|Basilisk]] 18:03, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
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== Items... ==

When a creature is crushed by a bridge, what happens to the items they had?--[[User:Lordmick134|Lordmick134]]

:When the bridge lowers, it completely ans permanently destroys anything it crashes on. So, there will be absolutely nothing under bridge, when it raises back.--[[User:Dorten|Dorten]] 03:29, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

::Not true! I had trapped a goblin inside a room with a bridge in it, and set the lever connected to the bridge to be repeatedly pulled. The goblin was stunned at most.--[[User:CrazyMcfobo|CrazyMcfobo]] 09:37, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

:::The goblin was likely ''flung'' from the bridge after stepping onto the extended bridge which then raised with the goblin still on it. Crushing is definitely an irrevocable and utter destruction. --[[User:JT|JT]] 16:30, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

== Channeling ==

Checked the [[channel]]ing article, nothing there, either. I have a bridge that raises to the right to form a wall, part of my outer defensive perimeter. I was digging a channel around the fortification wall and wanted to channel under the bridge. I raised the bridge ... I cannot channel. It never creates the flashy 'this is gonna be channeled' designation anywhere where the bridge could lay over. I can channel any where else. I can also remove the bridge, channel what I want, and replace the bridge just fine. What gives? Is this a known bug? --[[User:Geofferic|Geofferic]] 02:35, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

:As far as I know you can't dig on constructions. When the bridge is raised it is still considered to be constructed there. (or something like that) I had the same problem with some retracting bridges. To fix it I just removed the bridges and dug the channels, and then rebuilt them. --[[User:Lotus|Lotus]] 10:13 (CST) June 11, 2008

== Bridges as a temporary wall ==

I want to build a wall by pulling a lever, to block off a tunnel three squares wide.
It is a mine tunnel with no channel above it.

How long should the bridge be?

It looks like this:
<div style="font-family: monospace; white-space: pre; line-height: 126.5%"><nowiki>
▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒ò▒▒▒
.........╥.........
.........║.........
.........╨.........
▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒
</nowiki></div>

[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 05:12, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Well, you have to be careful. Don't forget, by raising a bridge, you can potentially obliterate your dwarves in the process. So try not to make it too wide. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:41, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:My question is, if I make it too long will it smash into the roof or anything?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:09, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::As far as I know of, it won't smash into the roof. The only concern is that if the bridge is too long, a dwarf may get accidently crushed. --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:14, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:::Buildings that span multiple/variable z-levels are, at the current time, not possible. So, just build a 1x3 bridge, set it to raise west or east, and you have a wall! A toggleable wall! --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:09, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::::I'd suggest doing a 2x bridge, as you'll have to track down the lever anytime you're curious as to whether the bridge is up or down, as a 1x or x1 bridge looks the same raised or lowered when raised on it's short axis. (e.g. the bridge above would look the same raised or lowered.) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 09:59, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

== Retractable/drawbridge ==

How can you specify which type of bridge you want to build? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:45, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:When you go to place a bridge, by default it retracts. If you press wadxs you change the direction it raises: w = north, a= west, d=east, x=south, s=retracts. I don't know how to set the direction it retracts though.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:12, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::So if it retracts, it creates an impassable wall? -[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 06:15, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

:::No, it disappears. If it raises, it creates an impassable wall, whose direction is the same as the raise direction. Try it out.
:::And, Garrie, it isn't possible to set retract direction since there is no such thing. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:09, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

::::Well I guess it doesn't really matter which way it retracts... although if a bridge is built outward from a cliff running east-west out to the chasm which is to the north then obviously the bridge retracts back to the edge it is anchored at (it can hardly retract back into mid-air...).[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 23:22, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

:::::Oh, really? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:32, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

::::::well I guess applying common sense to DF might not be the best idea... but common sense would [bold]suggest [/bold] the bridge retracts back to where it was built from.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 00:03, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

:::::::We don't use BBcode here. I don't think that even is BBcode, but it is in that style. To make '''bold text''', type <code><nowiki>'''bold text'''</nowiki></code>.
:::::::And you're right that applying common sense to DF doesn't work. Even the least of peasants can carry thousands of pounds pebbles in a backpack. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 09:06, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

== Bridge-on-bridge action ==

I've just added a note about retractable bridges being able to be built using existing bridges as support. However I'm currently unable to test what happens when an intermediary bridge is retracted or raised (I have no stone for mechanisms!). I'm assuming that any bridges relying on the retracted/raised bridge for support will collapse, but it should be tested (and noted), if someone else has the time and inclination! [[User:Raumkraut|Raumkraut]] 12:04, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

: I can confirm that when the first bridge is retracted the second one deconstructs. And also if you choose to do your testing using extreme cliffs and "accidently" make 6 of your 7 dwarves stand on the second bridge then they will die a horrible death after falling 18 stories. --[[User:Makuus|Makuus]] 16:54, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::What if you raise both of the bridges at the same time? --[[User:AlexFili|AlexFili]] 05:48, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

:::The same thing happens, the second bridge deconstructs again --[[User:Makuus|Makuus]] 13:48, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
::::I attempted this quite some time ago, I think. I had something like ten bridges in a row built off a cliff, and retracted them all at once with one lever. All but the first one (which was connected to the cliff) shattered into stones instantly. --[[User:SL|SL]] 10:29, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

== lockdown system ==

in one of my old forts i had a setup so if the opponent got near my bridges a lever would be pulled and the opponents would fall into the lava with a godlike imp in it, it would use multiple bridges however and i would have to rebuild atleast 1, it was sort of like a tesselation of crosses

== Flying Bridge ==
Build stairs up. Build stairs down atop it. Build a retracting bridge extending into open air from the downstairs. Link the retracting bridge to a lever. Pull the lever to retract the bridge. Deconstruct the down stairs. Deconstruct the up stairs. Pull the lever. Remove the lever. Bridge flies. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 11:38, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
:Shame this can't be used to build eg. twisty retractable catwalks due to the above confirmations in Bridge-on-bridge action. :/ --[[User:Heron|Heron]] 09:46, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
::You could probably get something similar by just having occasional pillars sticking up, constructed by building towers of stairs, building a wall adjacent, then deconstructing the stairs. If you have each bridge anchored to one pillar, you ought to be able to get many retractable bridges in a sequence. --[[User:AlexChurchill|AlexChurchill]] 12:08, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
:::More testing. Retracted bridges never deconstruct. Make a chain as long as you like by keeping them all retracted until scaffolding is removed. Un-retracting bridges never deconstuct nor cause deconstruction. To make a path of multiple flying bridges build a scaffold for the first bridge, retract it, deconstruct the scaffold, build the second scaffold, retract that bridge, deconstruct that scaffold, and so forth. You can then unretract all bridges in any order and they'll all stay up. Retracting them again in any order caused them to fall. [[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 09:00, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

== Stockpiles under bridges ==

I tried to make a refuse stockpile with a drawbridge over top, and I couldn't place the stockpile where the bridge would lower onto. Can anyone else confirm this for the new version? [[User:Falcondude|Falcondude]] 11:05, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
:Yeah, that won't work. If you are trying to make a garbage compactor, make a ledge and designate a garbage dump with (i) that will drop the items where the bridge will close.[[User:Trevlyn13|Trevlyn13]]

== Drawbridge vs colossus ==

Yesterday a bronze colossus got trapped between my 2 moats, right under the drawbridge. It was too close to the catapults so that the operators wouldn't fire them, so I tried to crush it with the bridge.
My bridge broke instead.
(later I killed it by shooting hundreds of arrows)
If anyone could replicate this, and also experiment with other megabeasts....
(actually I made this account to tell people about this)
[[User:nautilusfossil|nautilusfossil]]
:As far as I know, Dwarven Atom Crushers™ break on megabeasts and demons. Cage Traps are the way to go for megabeasts, but demons are immune against them.
:I don't know about semi-megabeasts considering bridge-breaking. [[User:MC Dirty|MC Dirty]] 18:17, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

== Dwarves negative thoughts regarding crushed friends ==

Dwarves respond to friends or family members being crushed by a drawbridge as if they'd been killed & then not buried: "He was forced to endure the decay of a sibling lately. He lost a sibling to tragedy recently." (I'm certain this was due to the drawbridge, as all the siblings *except* the one that was crushed had these negative thoughts. Nobody else in the family had been killed by anything yet.) --[[User:Sev|Sev]] 14:49, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

== Melty mechanisms... redux? ==

Curiosity kills my dwarves - I'm not wasting the time to do this myself. Will mechanisms melt out of bridges that are submerged in magma? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 22:31, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
:I have no idea, this is a good question. While writing a reply of my thoughts I kept re-thinking some things. If Magma passes over the bridge I'm pretty certain that the mechanism will act like a flood gate's. It will not melt away as long as you don't raise the bridge. If you do raise the bridge, the mechanism will melt away and the bridge could do a number of things. Before I keep typing about what I think will/could happen, I'm just going to go ahead and pass on a wall of text. [[User:Dakira|Dakira]] 1844, 28 September 2008 (PST)
::But fluids cannot enter the tile of a raised bridge, whereas they can enter the tile of a lowered bridge. In this way, a raised bridge would be analogous to a _closed_ floodgate, and a lowered bridge to an _open_ one. [[User:Random832|Random832]] 21:51, 25 November 2008 (EST)

== Bridges and wagons? ==

Is is possible for wagons to drive over bridges? I would assume so, but I don't want to get hasty. --[[User:W-dueck|w-dueck]] 23:50, 3 December 2008 (EST)
:yes, anything can pass over them. [[User:Dangerous Beans|Dangerous Beans]] 00:29, 4 December 2008 (EST)
:: Okay, thanks. Now that the mean kobolds can't escape when they steal my stuff, I am free to bludgeon them with random objects! --[[User:W-dueck|w-dueck]] 18:39, 4 December 2008 (EST)
:::You have to spot them first, though. Put war dogs on restraints in a recessed area that leads to the trade depot.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 22:08, 4 December 2008 (EST)

== Indestructible Caravan ==
I needed to test out my whammer slammer bammer on something but no goblins volunteered for so long I was forced to attack the dwarven caravan instead. The mighty bridge swung down upon the lone wagon and was riven like a banana dipped in liquid nitrogen, leaving the wagon unscathed. If we could breed and train war wagons we'd rule the world. The 3-tile-wide parts of it anyway. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 18:55, 9 December 2008 (EST)

:But a single cave swallowman can scuttle an entire wagon in two milliseconds. Maybe wagons count as a megabeast? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 23:00, 9 December 2008 (EST)

== Megabeasts break bridges even without atomsmashing? ==

Situation: I captured a Titan and pitted it onto a drawbridge from a platform a Z-level above. The drawbridge is retractable and linked to a level. Logically, pulling the level will make the drawbridge retract and the Titan will plummet to his death.

But it didn't happen. The bridge refuses to budge. I haven't got a message about it whatsoever.

Is it possible for a Titan to break ''any'' drawbridge operation whatsoever no matter the end result?

--[[User:Shurikane|Shurikane]] 22:34, 6 January 2009 (EST)

:Yes. A bridge is a non-construction building. Therefore entities with [BUILDINGDESTROYER] can nuke them. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 00:02, 7 January 2009 (EST)

40d Talk:Silver

2009-01-07T05:01:42Z

GreyMario: /* No More Elf References? */

==No More Elf References?==

I'm not going to start a revert war, but personally I thought the recently-removed parts of the article comparing the merits of wooden and silver weapons to be amusing and entirely in keeping with the style of this wiki. Impromptu vote, anyone? I vote '''keep''', myself.--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 17:54, 6 January 2009 (EST)
:I agree. Also, it helped further the distinction between wooden and silver weapons, so that a person can easily understand that, for instance, they won't find a wooden hammer.--[[User:Pyrite|Pyrite]] 22:35, 6 January 2009 (EST)
::'''Keep''', and if I actually gave a crap, I'd have reverted it myself. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 00:01, 7 January 2009 (EST)

40d:Cheating

2009-01-05T22:16:35Z

GreyMario: because =headers= look odd in pages (==headers== look better)

'''Cheating''' is changing the game files to make dwarf fortress easier. This is distinctly different from [[exploits]].

==Reaction Additions==
All additions to the raw files require a new world to be created to take effect.

Generally speaking, ''modifications'' to an existing entry in a raw file don't require a new world.

Worlds created before the modifications were made won't be playable unless the previous version of the raw file is restored. Save your custom raw files if you want to continue playing your game at some future point.

Attempting to play worlds not generated with identical reaction additions will fail on load.

===Easy Rough Gems===

[REACTION:FREE_GEMS22][NAME: make (insert gem name)][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:(insert gem name)]

It's really easy. All you have to do is take the name of the gem from stonegem matgloss and put it in the name and at the end of the product. Take all of that and paste it into the reaction_standard. Create a new world and poof! Your smelter will spit out gems of that type.

For convience, here are all the precious gems in the game.
<pre>
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS1][NAME: make DIAMOND_LY][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:DIAMOND_LY]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS2][NAME: make DIAMOND_FY][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:DIAMOND_FY]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS3][NAME: make EMERALD][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:EMERALD]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS4][NAME: make RUBY][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:RUBY]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS5][NAME: make SAPPHIRE][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:SAPPHIRE]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS6][NAME: make DIAMOND_CLEAR][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:DIAMOND_CLEAR]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS7][NAME: make DIAMOND_RED][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:DIAMOND_RED]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS8][NAME: make DIAMOND_GREEN][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:DIAMOND_GREEN]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS11][NAME: make DIAMOND_BLUE][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:DIAMOND_BLUE]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS33][NAME: make DIAMOND_YELLOW][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:DIAMOND_YELLOW]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS44][NAME: make DIAMOND_BLACK][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:DIAMOND_BLACK]
[REACTION:FREE_GEMS55][NAME: make SAPPHIRE_STAR][SMELTER][PRODUCT:100:10:ROUGH:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:SAPPHIRE_STAR]
</pre>

===Easy Adamantine===
Add this:

[REACTION:ADAMANTINE_WAFERS]
[NAME:make adamantine wafers]
[SMELTER]
[REAGENT]
[PRODUCT:100:1:BAR:NO_SUBTYPE:METAL:ADAMANTINE]

into reaction_standard.txt. The next time you make a world your dwarves will be capable of creating adamantine from nothing.

===Make Stone Into Logs===
Add this:

[REACTION:FREE_WOOD]
[NAME:stone to wood]
[SMELTER]
[REAGENT:1:STONE:NO_SUBTYPE:STONE:NO_MATGLOSS]
[PRODUCT:100:1:WOOD:NO_SUBTYPE:WOOD:OAK]

to reaction_standard.txt. As with any custom addition to the raws, you must generate a new world to use it.

==Creature Token Modifications==
Note that as above, many of these changes will require a new world. The example listed below is a notable exception.

===If you feel you need your enemies (or victims) to drop better loot...===
...add something like this to their creature entries.

[ITEMCORPSE:ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_CHAINMAIL:METAL:ADAMANTINE]
[ITEMCORPSE_QUALITY:5]
Note that you do ''not'' need to make a new world for this to work, and that you can even change this entry in-between saves on the same adventurer (and by highly likely extension, fortress), which has immense and obvious cheating potential. You may want to take a look at the [[Item tokens]] page for a better general understanding of the ITEMCORPSE tag; ITEMCORPSE_QUALITY, on the other hand, simply ranges from 0 (no quality modifier) to 5 (masterpiece quality).

==River Freeze==
By setting temperature to NO in the init.txt file, a frozen river will remain frozen even during summer, allowing you to do anything you need to do before unfreezing it. This is especially useful for retrieving items or digging tunnels straight up to water sources without them flooding.

==Savescumming==

Savescumming refers to the practice of regularly backing up your saves so you can revert to one if your fortress crumbles to the last. This can be toggled to be done automatically in the init file, so some might not consider this to be cheating.

Another method to save scum is open up task manager (ctrl+alt+delete) and open the Processes tab, and then selecting dwarfort.exe and clicking on end task. This will cause dwarf fortress to close, without overwriting the last saved game. WARNING: closing the game in this manner has been known to cause inflate errors, especially in [[adventurer mode]].

==Memory Editing==

:''[[:Memory editing|Main article: Memory editing]]''

Memory editing refers to using an external program to modify numbers within the game. This is at its most useful when choosing what to take with you, as you can give yourself an unlimited number of points. What doesn't work in the new version is giving your starting dwarves tons of prof skills, since there now is a limit in how many skills they can start with. You can still start your dwarves with all proficient skills, but you need to change the skill limit value first on every dwarf you want to do this with, also when editing the memory values with such programs as CheatEngine in adventure mode your point value is 4bytes but in fortress you have to change the search to 2bytes only for hex editors though(NOTE as of 0.27.176.38c I have found that you can only edit the value of the first dwarf in you starting team)

The [[utilities]] page has several tools that do specific memory hacks, such as to teleport a creature.

Don't forget, Cheat-O-Matic is a very easy to use tool for memory hacking, use it to change starting points, the dwarf skill limits, etc.

Editing the memory of a game has a possibility to cause the game to crash or misbehave, including corrupting of saves.

NOTE: WPE may be ''flagged'' as a virus because it injects a DLL, and certain viruses out there use similar techniques to steal sensitive information.

{| style="width: 100%; background: #ddd; border: 1px solid #777; border-left-color:#bbb; border-top-color:#bbb;"
|+ style="color: #fff; background: #999; border: 1px solid #777; border-left-color:#bbb; border-top-color:#bbb; padding: 0.2em 0.5em; text-align: center" | '''Links'''
|-
! style="text-align: left; padding: 0.1em 0.5em" | Various Memory Hacking Tools:
| [http://wpepro.net/index.php?categoryid=9&p13_sectionid=1&p13_fileid=79?&category=3 WPE Pro/PermEdit/Tsearch], [http://www.artmoney.ru/?threadid=2669677 ARTMONEY], [http://www.developerfusion.co.uk/show/2426/?t=38984 Cheat-O-Matic],
[http://cheatengine.org/?t=38984 Cheat Engine]
|}
[[Category:Guides]]
Guide on how to edit the starting skills and points using TSearch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boC-IxvkYsI

Talk:Main Page/Quote

2009-01-05T06:24:40Z

GreyMario: /* Edit Warring */

'''How to add quotes:'''
* Go to the line of the last quote.
* Add a line immediately after it (this should be before the closing }} brackets)
* type "|YOUR-QUOTE-HERE" on that line
:(The quote number is not functionally necessary, but it allows keeping track of how many quotes there are without counting)
* Look at the first line of the template
:It should look something like this:
<pre>{{Choose|c={{#if: {{{1|}}}|{{rand|37}}|{{#expr: ({{rand2|10}}+27)}} }}</pre>
*Adjust the number that is in the place of the 37 to reflect the number of quotes in the list.
*Adjust the number that is in the place of the 27 to reflect ten less than the number of quotes in the list. (in this case.. 27)
:The purpose of the first number is to choose a random element from the list of quotes.
:The second lets us pick from among the last ten quotes in the list.
*Preview your reply to make sure nothing is broken (or someone will be able to see it on the main page before it gets fixed)
*Profit!
[[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 00:34, 27 February 2008 (EST)

----

For what it's worth, the nowiki formatting around square bracketed 'B' in the Toady quote about boats was simply in the interests of quoting accuracy; the original word was not capitalized and I still have that kind of formatting in my heart from college paper citations. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 12:16, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

:Ah. It looked to me like a weird, failed boats/bloats pun. I don't think it really matters; you can change it back if you like. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 17:19, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

::Thank you! And done. --[[User:Alfador|Alfador]] 11:27, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

== Quote removal ==

Say, why was the "interrupted by carp" quote removed? I loved that one. --[[User:JT|JT]] 02:58, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

:Blame Savok, he thought it was unfunny. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMario]] 16:22, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

And regarding VengefulDonut stripping off that last one, PTTG's quote was simply hilarious. If you can't laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at? --[[User:JT|JT]] 02:19, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Thinking on this some more, the idea that anyone can just reverse a quote at their leisure strikes me as unusual. If a quote is an obvious spam, that's one thing; if a quote is something that ''you'' don't think of as funny, I think there should be some sort of consensus system involved. There are at least a couple existing quotes that I don't find funny in the slightest (Spiders Everywhere, you've been processed, GreyMario's), but I don't remove them. --[[User:JT|JT]]

My 2☼ on the subject: 
Unless a quote is offensively directed at a particular user/person, I don't see how there are any grounds for removal. 
If it is, it's perfectly acceptable for the addressed person to remove it, if they so choose. 
Additionally, you may remove quotes of yourself, whether or not they're offensive, regardless of who added the quote. 
In all cases, it's the sole responsibility of the addressed person to remove a quote, not someone else. 
I think that makes sense.. but perhaps I'm too far off base? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 07:37, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

:When anyone is able to add a quote at their leisure, we will naturally end up with plenty of quotes that aren't funny. If anyone is able to remove a quote at their leisure, quotes that aren't funny will disappear. This is parallel to the wikipedia editing process in general, and I think this kind of process has decent results. Although I am open to other proposals.
:On the topic of racy jokes: I'm sure there are plenty of group-targeted jokes that could be stated in DF terms that would be very funny; just pick a group, a metaphor, and a stereotype. But even if you tell a member of that group to grow a thicker skin or to stop taking themselves seriously or learn to take a joke, it doesn't turn the joke from something alienating to something entertaining. In the right context, those kinds of jokes can be very funny even to those on the butt end of them. Standup comedians succeed or fail based on their ability to create it. But I don't think that the front page is the right context. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 10:24, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

::Unless its blantantly offensive I don't think "unfunny" is a reason to remove a quote, we each have our own sense of humour, such debate should be placed here on the discussion page imo. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]] 20:30, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

:::Bleh. I'd like to, but nobody answers most discussion page debates in reasonable time. If we become more regularly active in discussion page debates (which isn't hard - we've got several that any experienced player can add to), we might be able to do that. As it is, the responses are usually at least a few days, often months apart. And then, occasionally, we get one that has five people with fifteen comments in a day or two. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:45, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

As I've said before, if you want to revert those of my deletes that you really think should stay, that's fine. The way I see it, and the way some have said before me, anybody can, if they think it's funny enough, add a quote to the page. Of course, we will get some pretty poor quotes that way, so anyone can, if they dislike it enough, delete a quote from that page. If an edit war occurs, we can take it to the talk page (with the war attention, we'll actually have commenters), where it can be resolved. We Are Not Wikipedia. We're too small for that; everyone knows everyone else and anyone can monitor all edits if they have a little time to spend. 
--[[User:Savok|Savok]], rambling at 23:45, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

== [http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=19686.msg206978#msg206978 Too untasteful?] ==

I found this on the forums:
<div style="width: 12em; padding: 0.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; border: 1px solid #ccc; background: #eee; text-align: center">''Belbezevost Närangagak Äkig:'' 
Goatsects the Raw Red Anus of Stretching</div>
For? Against? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:56, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

I'm for it. DF has people exploding in gore. Besides, these words are in the game anyway.
-- [[User:InquisitorSaturn|InquisitorSaturn]] 01:44, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm for it. Lets be honest; how many people are likely to come to this wiki that aren't mature enough to enjoy a little mature humor. If anything people are more likely to complain that it didn't make them laugh then that they are worried that kids might see it. --[[User:Silver|Silver]] 01:29, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

:Nobody gives a fuck about the kids, man. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 22:32, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

== Multi-Line Quotes ==

I assumed your multi-line quote was an error because it rendered incorrectly when it appeared on http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Main_Page/Quote , and did so again when you restored the original. I've re-re-restored it in the interests of peace but I do note that the text extends outside the box and one line actually appears below the box. I'm less certain whether it appears this way on the main page. Perhaps we need a different way to enter multi-line quotes? --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 15:39, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

:The quote that's causing problems is kinda long, either way. How about we just bonk it on the head?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 19:15, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
::But it's funny. :( --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 01:55, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

:Just out of curiosity, what browser? It appears just fine in Firefox 2. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 17:39, 4 November 2008 (EST)
::Firefox 3. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 15:19, 11 November 2008 (EST)

== Okay wtf who broke shit where. ==

On the main page, the second random quote is just a '. WHAT GIVES? --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 14:32, 20 November 2008 (EST)
:I can't find any recent changes to the code of the selector, and given that the first selector works, it's hard to blame a syntax error either. The mainpage does a weird thing to guarantee the quotes are different, passing |1 to the page as a parameter or...something. Someone who knows wikicode may know what's going on. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 15:13, 20 November 2008 (EST)

::The problem is a bit deeper. [[template:rand]] and [[template:rand2]] use the mod function inside a #expr to mod the current timestamp and return a number in a specified range. The mod function is returning negative values for large inputs (this is a bug). Since it seems I can't guarantee a positive number will have a positive mod, I don't know how to modify the templates to make sure they keep returning positive numbers. Smaller inputs would be nice, but I need it to vary with time, and those are the ones that are blowing it up. Also, I don't have absolute value or any binary number operations, so those methods are out. Absolute value would be available with a newer version of parser functions, but convincing [[user:senso|Senso]] is an obstacle there. I'm really not sure how to remedy this. Anyone have ideas? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 19:43, 20 November 2008 (EST)

::: I say divide the end result before modulusing by 4. That'll still give pseudo-random numbers, just less often, and might work until a better fix rears its not-so-ugly head. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 20:12, 20 November 2008 (EST)

:::: <s>Good idea. I'll try it. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:21, 20 November 2008 (EST)</s>
:::: Didn't work. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:23, 20 November 2008 (EST)
:::: Feel free to fool around with [[template:rand]] and push a fix if you can find one. Just make sure to preview. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 20:24, 20 November 2008 (EST)

:::::Ah well, it was worth a shot. I'll see what I can come up with in the [[Template:Sandbox|sandbox]]. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 20:31, 20 November 2008 (EST)
:::::<s>UPDATE: It appears using <tt><nowiki>{{#expr: ((({{LOCALTIMESTAMP}} / 1024) + {{CURRENTDAY}} + {{CURRENTMONTH}}) mod {{{1|100}}}) + 1}}</nowiki></tt> seems to produce positive numbers for now. I'll go update [[Template:Rand2]] and see if it works.</s> <s>So much for that, but at least it was returning positive numbers. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 20:42, 20 November 2008 (EST)</s>
:::::Okay, I blame certain things being slow for the fact that it works over in the Sandbox but not in the Main Page/Quote template. :S But the good news is, it's at least producing a result over at the sandbox. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 20:54, 20 November 2008 (EST)

:::Can you use an <nowiki> {{ #ifexpr: {{{num}}} >= 0 | {{{num}}} | {{ #expr: {{{num}}} * -1 }} }} </nowiki> to replace abs? (I may have the syntax slightly wrong.)--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 04:09, 21 November 2008 (EST)

::::Good call, Maximus. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 09:04, 21 November 2008 (EST)

:::::You know, I thought of that just last night but was too busy falling asleep. :( --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:21, 21 November 2008 (EST)

::::::I stole it off your desk.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:06, 21 November 2008 (EST)

:Here we go again! It's started displaying the telltale ' again. D: --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 00:05, 27 November 2008 (EST) UPDATE: It's just gone away again. Might be worth a try to check the conditions next time it does it D: --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 00:08, 27 November 2008 (EST)

::Should be fixed now. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 18:04, 6 December 2008 (EST)

== What's This Jreengus Stuff About, Anyway? ==

Googling it just gets me pages telling me it's funny for those in the know somehow. If any place ought to have an explanation it's the wiki. That's what it's there for! :) --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 13:05, 21 November 2008 (EST)

:Kobolds speak gibberish. The code that named an event allowed the kobolds to name it (when they won? maybe.), and that caused the name of an event to sometimes be a single word of gibberish. Toady mentioned that somewhere in some part of the dev notes.
:That's it. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 17:17, 21 November 2008 (EST)

== Döbesh Udosdeb has been ecstatic lately. He was forced to eat a friend to survive. He enjoyed a truly decadent meal. ==

Haaaaawhaaahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa. Awesome. We need more quotes that are as funny as this. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 17:48, 25 November 2008 (EST)

== Long quotes ==

"Engraved on the wall is a masterfully designed image of a dwarf engraving a wall. The engraving is a dwarf engraving a wall. The engraving is a dwarf engraving a wall. The engraving is a dwarf engraving on a wall. The engraving is a dwarf engraving on a wall. The engraving is a dwarf mining out a wall." Yes this is a long quote but it's also funny, why ditch it? I didn't see any long quotes breaking the mainpage the way multi-line quotes did. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 15:59, 12 December 2008 (EST)

:They make the main page look like crap by stretching the quote box and pushing down everything else. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 16:31, 12 December 2008 (EST)
:Surely there are other places to put funny things. [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 16:33, 12 December 2008 (EST)

::Not really, unless you mean 'keep this stuff off the wiki'. No, quotes aren't a big deal. They're just fun, i.e. 'the entire point'. ;p The Quote_Archive is an obvious aging relic, and ought to go anyway since there's no sense having multiple, separate pages of slightly different functionality and identical content patchily duplicating each other. I wonder if the quote wikicode could be done the other way around... I might play around on my talk page and see if I can build a useful something. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 17:33, 12 December 2008 (EST)

:::The Quote Archive was originally created as a place for quotes to go to never be deleted, so that it wouldn't be that bad if someone lost a quote from Main Page/Quote. When I created it, I didn't realize the effort it would take to update it, so I'm going to go over there now and clean it up, making it all plaintext.
:::Also, I concur with Vengeful that the long quotes are overly ugly on the main page. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 22:35, 12 December 2008 (EST)
::::Not arguing with that. I usually run screens at a high resolution so I didn't notice the stretching myself. I do think multiple quote pages is pointless though, 'specially considering folk like me will happen upon them and helpfully transfer stuff from one to the other... Not that I would, but I had often considered doing so, obviously misunderstanding your intent in all that duplicate information. --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 00:15, 13 December 2008 (EST)

== Edit Warring ==
I see GreyMario has taken it upon himself to remove quotes by the dozen, most of which had previously been added back after someone noticed their mysterious absence. Clearly your sense of humor is not everyone's or people wouldn't have to keep adding them back, could you just leave it be instead of editwarring? Can someone give us a revert, please? --[[User:Corona688|Corona688]] 23:24, 4 January 2009 (EST)

:Except they were removed because they were unfunny by popular vote. People should really put it up to a vote when it comes to adding them back. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 01:24, 5 January 2009 (EST)

40d Talk:Floodgate

2009-01-05T01:59:33Z

GreyMario: /* Advantage over doors? */

==Floodgates vs magma==
... but only '''stone''' and metal will hold back magma.

Is this true? In the last version only steel was strong enough to contain magma. --[[User:Mizipzor|Mizipzor]] 15:29, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

: Well, my dolomite floodgates were enough to hold magma. So stone floodgates are capable of holding magma. Dunnoe about wooden ones though. [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 15:59, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

:Not true. I used stone floodgates all the time with magma in the last version. --[[User:RedKing|RedKing]] 00:52, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

::Perhaps the confusion comes from the fact that you needed steel to bridge over magma --[[User:Moller|Moller]] 02:11, 2 November 2007 (EDT)

:::Alright, the dolomite floodgates that I've mentioned earlier seem to have disappeared, presumably melted away. Thus I'm led to belive that only steel(or better) floodgates are capable of holding magma now. [[User:Noctis|Noctis]] 09:29, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

::::From what I've seen stone floodgates are, at the moment, one use like the steel ones listed in the article...but for different reasons. A closed stone floodgate will hold back magma indefinitely (probably for the same reason that the normal stone walls hold magma as they do), but once you link and open it the magma enters the same tile and turns any stone into it's molten counterpart. This means both your stone floodgate and stone mechanism are turned to slag and eventually lost to the magma forever. I would bet that the steel floodgates are still there, but forever locked in their open state since your mechanism just got turned to goo and you can no longer select the flood gate from the lever's link menu. Perhaps [[Bauxite|Bauxite]] might be able to survive the magma, but I need to find some first in order to test that theory.{{version|0.27.169.33b}} --[[User:TheUbie|TheUbie]] 04:28, 19 November 2007 (EST)
::Interestingly enough, I do believe dolomite has a high melting point and is somewhat heat resistant...

:::To clear things up: build both floodate and mechanism from a material listed at [[Magma-safe materials]].[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 03:13, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

::::In the current version (40d) I've successfully used bauxite floodgates/mechanisms to control magma flow. Bauxite is your best bet (and less costly than steel in terms of material). Sdu - 01/11/2008
----

==Activation time==
Interesting note, floodgates seem to take approximately 100 steps to open after activation, from my experimentation. Maybe this could be used in the article somehow?
[[User:NullAshton|NullAshton]] 23:51, 1 January 2008 (EST)

:Ooh, interesting. Exactly the same amount as a bridge. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 20:36, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

== opening and closing ==

do I '''have''' to use a lever to open and close a floodgate? Early on - I have a room next to a river - I want to put a floodgate in the corridor and "bucket fill" a "pond" from the outside.

will this plan work or do I '''need''' a lever?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 01:55, 5 January 2008 (EST)

:You need some kind of machine to trigger it, yes. Pressure plates work as well. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 06:20, 5 January 2008 (EST)

== Construction ==

All right... I have a 1-wide channel, with a floodgate "placed" not "built" somewhere along it.
Access is from a stair to the right.
No matter if I put the build command closer to the stair, or further away from the stair, the dwarves seem to build the floodgate so that it cuts off their exit! WTF is one to do here? I keep ordering the dwarf that just built the floodgate to remove it so they can get out again.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 23:34, 2 February 2008 (EST)

:Hook it to a mechanism and open it. --[[User:Ikkonoishi|Ikkonoishi]] 00:59, 3 February 2008 (EST)

::Yeah well when I get a mechanic that is the general plan ;) but right now it's sitting in the middle of a channel while I prey for more immigrants before all of my dwarves die of thirst![[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 01:48, 3 February 2008 (EST)

:::All right, I have opening and closing floodgates now.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 07:45, 5 February 2008 (EST)

::::Would you mind posting a pic of your setup? I'm a mite confused on this also....[[User:Holyfool|Holyfool]] 22:38, 3 February 2008 (EST)

:::::Sorry that fortress is lost to it being a very early experiment.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 03:13, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
== River crossings ==

I can dam/divert a river with floodgates I hope.
If I dig a channel 1 z-level down, then build a wall, the top is a floor I can walk across. Why isn't the top of a floodgate a floor? it is silly that I have to build a floodgate then a bridge as well, and connect them to the same lever, if I want a floodgate I can walk over. (in real life even a simple drop-board weir - which is pretty mcuh a timber floodgate - can be walked over so that you can put the boards in and out).[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 07:45, 5 February 2008 (EST)
:PS. I am diverting my brook by digging a channel through it while it is frozen then building a series of floodgates in the resulting channel. I guess this will work (here's for trying) but how would one divert a river?[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 07:47, 5 February 2008 (EST)

::Non-freezing? Very difficult to get to work properly, dependent on the terrain of course. Basically, you'd have to dig quite a large pond/lake for the river to fill while scrambling like mad to get those dwarves to install all the floodgates or build the walls before the flow into the lake slows enough for construction-blocking waterlevels to start flowing again. Definitely suggest a stockpile immediately adjacent to the closest entry point to the downstream side of the dam to hopefully avoid a waste of time if only one or two dwarves get their lazy butts over to the work that needs to be done! As for freezing; well, that's always been child's play, and I always wonder why people bother asking someone "if the map they're on freezes," anytime someone says they need help trying to dam a flow. ;) --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 09:30, 5 February 2008 (EST)

:Well, I have dug a channel in the ice. There are some boulders left behind as well as it seems some ice blocks. I think these will be off to make a pond as ice hauling seems much more efficient to me than bucket hauling?
:But anyway, the channel is all marked as "blocked" when I try to build floodgates. Will see what it's like when the ice blocks are all gone.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 06:40, 6 February 2008 (EST)

:::To make your dwarf build on the right side you can "suspend" ('s' key is the shortcut) the building as soon as the dwarf starts on the wrong side. As soon as they move away you then un-"suspend" the construction and they should attempt to build it again. It can take a few tries but it works.

:::Another way is just to let them build it on the wrong side and have a miner dig out a square adjacent to the floodgate. You may need to dig out one more square but then you you can wall them up with the (C)onstruction building task. - Sdu 01/11/2008

:::Some people use doors instead of floodgates to do the same job which means that whatever side your dwarf builds it, he can still walk back through it. - Sdu 01/11/2008

== Floodgate swept away ==

With version 38a I noticed that floodgates can be swept away by molten rock which is pushed by the flowing lava. I don't know if this also happend with earlier versions since this was the first time, because of lack of fule and wood, that I actually used magma.
Somebody should probably mention in the article that it is advisable to remove rocks from the magma channel to prevent this. [[User:Buckermann|Buckermann]] 11:53, 9 February 2008 (EST)

:The floodgate was verified beforehand to have been built, and not simply dropped and forgotten? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 07:39, 13 February 2008 (EST)

::I'm quite sure that it was build, and not just dropped. It was even connected to a lever and was working. For a short time at least... And I'm also quite sure that I used Bauxit mechanism for it. [[User:Buckermann|Buckermann]] 09:53, 13 February 2008 (EST)

:::A non-bauxite mech. would be my next point of inquiry, and just to make sure we're not missing the obvious, the floodgate itself was magma-proof? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 04:14, 14 February 2008 (EST)
::::Yes, the floodgate too was made of Bauxit, and it is still visible in my magma silo. ([http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t243/TaBu-NiW/magmachamber.png?t=1203005405 Link to image]) [[User:Buckermann|Buckermann]] 11:11, 14 February 2008 (EST)
:::::Can you reproduce this? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 12:21, 14 February 2008 (EST)
::::::No. I tried a few times to reproduce this, but never succeeded. Probably I just forgot to use bauxit mechanism the first time. Though, I would have sworn that I did. [[User:Buckermann|Buckermann]] 20:14, 8 March 2008 (EST)

== No Access ==

I dug a diagonal tunnel towards a water source and I wanted to put a floodgate inside it - and one on the end where my farm will be - to create a reservoir. But I get the message, "no access" when I try to build the floodgate inside the tunnel. Apparently floodgates can only be placed when there is horizontal or vertical access to the square? (I planned to connect a lever to it so I don't need to stand next to it.) 
That does indeed seem to be the case. I was able to place one in the middle of a horizontal tunnel but not in a diagonal one. I dug an extra square (ruining my perfect symmetry with an ugly dogleg :)) and was able to put the floodgate inside my diagonal tunnel. --[[User:Danny Rathjens|Danny Rathjens]] 01:15, 6 April 2008 (EDT)

== bug? ==

i wanted to water some rock below my fortress with the water from my moat, so i built a setup like this:
..~. 
..x. 
.> . surface level -1 
..x. 
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.... 
.< x surface level -2 
.... 

basically, the idea was that the area between the floodgates on the top level would fill with water, BUT while the top two were open, the bottom one would be closed. so i hooked up the top two to a lever, pulled it, built the third floodgate, linked that to the lever. so now my top two gates are open, and the bottom one closed. this would make sure that only the amount of water i wanted would go onto my plot. however, when i next pulled the lever, the top two closed, but the bottom one didnt open. i pulled it again and all 3 opened. so dont go doing this yourself, use two levers instead of 1. [[User:Twiggie|Twiggie]] 12:09, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

::This is intended. Levers have an "on" and an "off" state. Pulling them switches the lever state and updates all connected constructions to the new state. --[[User:Doniazade|Doniazade]] 12:47, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
::use a pressure plate to cut off the area you don't want flooded beyond a certain depth.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 03:23, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

== A Question on Flow and Floodgates ==

So I had my two-[[floodgate]] system for letting [[magma]] into the trench below my smelting and forging rooms, each floodgate hooked up to a separate [[lever]]. The 'downstream' gate was right next to the [[ramp]] down which the magma was meant to [[flow]]. The upstream floodgate worked fine, and the magma went into the trench fine, but when I attempted to close the downstream gate, it re-appeared at the bottom of the channel. Was it swept away by the flow as it was trying to close? What happened there? --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 19:21, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

:What material was the floodgate made out of? What material were the mechanisms made out of? It seems that the magma melted something and deconstructed the floodgate. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 20:36, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

::It looks like this was answered higher on this page: The floodgate was made of bauxite, but the mechanism was not and must have melted once the gate was opened. Should really have seen that coming, I guess. Well, only a few rooms are full of magma, I'm sure it'll cool in a month or two. Lesson learned. --[[User:Zombiejustice|Zombiejustice]] 22:19, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

== Placement and seeing it work ==

I'm not sure if my flood gate is working. Once you place it, is it able to block water already or only after you connect a lever and pull it? It doesn't move in the z-axis? I'm not sure if it goes up or down from placement like if I had to dig and extra level down below them in order to get it move. I'm sure it just blocks one z-level of water right?--[[User:Seaneat|Seaneat]] 10:18, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
:They start working as soon as they're built. They block water and dwarves, which can lead to a dwarf being trapped behind the floodgate until you ''very quickly'' get another dwarf to built a lever, connect it to the floodgate, and pull it, to open the floodgate. When they're opened, like bridges, they don't occupy a different z-level position - they just disappear. It only blocks one z-level of water, yes. --[[User:AlexChurchill|AlexChurchill]] 12:39, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
::Well - they are "1 square wide". Nobody ever said the open part of a floodgate is the full 1-square wide, but they don't show up when opened.
::Maybe there should be a tile for an open floodgate which shows posts on both sides and an opening in the middle. But then you would need to "orient" the floodgate.
::My guess for a rock one: a ten foot (square) by two foot slab of rock that pivots centrally when opened. So when open it's still there in the middle of the tile, just oriented to let the fluid move through.
::[http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/agriculture/resources/soils/ass/leaflet/6 Look here] for some pictures of low-tech real-world ones - I'm sure the dwarves build ones which are pretty similar, just they use rock instead of concrete.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 03:20, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
:::And for "tidal floodgates" that link contains the following disadvantage:
::::''Disadvantages: There is a minor risk of being jammed open (as with normal gates). May require a new gate to be made in some cases.''
:::So don't be too hard on your dwarves building floodgates that can't handle high temperatures, us humans can't even get it right (low-tech) with just water![[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 03:31, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

:::A pivoting slab (basically a giant butterfly valve) sounds like a good idea, but it wouldn't match the behavior of floodgates in the game. I routinely use a row of three floodgates as my fortress' main entrance, left open by default. Since caravan wagons can pass through when open there can't be any obstructions in those three squares, so I assume the floodgates must operate like vertical sliding sluice gates instead. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 04:34, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

== Advantage over doors? ==

Aside from being able to make them wider than two tiles, is there any reason to use a floodgate rather than a (stone) door? The floodgates take longer to open and close, and block dwarves from whatever they desperately want that's always behind them... --[[User:Azaram|Azaram]] 01:39, 1 December 2008 (EST)
:Desire for authenticity and/or accuracy generally. Basically, a fair amount of people feel that doors shouldn't be as good as floodgates for holding back the waters. And Toady has said that this will be fixed in a later release. -[[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 08:49, 1 December 2008 (EST)
:Can floodgates be smashed by megabeasts as doors can? That might be another reason. --[[User:Aristoi|Aristoi]] 20:00, 4 January 2009 (EST)
::Yeah. They can. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 20:59, 4 January 2009 (EST)

== Materials to build a Floodgate ==

Hello everybody, shouldn't be there a list of the needed components to build a floodgate? Chris – [[template:unsigned|unsigned]] comment by [[User:Sherelian|Sherelian]]

:*10 seconds- time taken to look for floodgate jobs in the manager's job queue. (u>m>q>floodgate)
:*1 minute- time taken to copypaste and adjust identical sentence from [[door]].
:*50 seconds- time taken to find out who you *actually* are and sign your comment for you.
:*1 minute- time taken to give you a response.
:*3 minutes- time I donated to your life. Hope you enjoy it! --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 18:01, 2 December 2008 (EST)

Utility Talk:Tweak/Tile Edit

2009-01-05T01:58:33Z

GreyMario: /* Wood and trees? */

Um, where can we get Tile Edit? --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 12:26, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

:It comes prepackaged with Tweak. —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 13:36, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

::Ah. There should be a note to that effect somewhere to prevent confusion; if it confused me, it will probably confuse others. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 17:31, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

:::The first line of the page clearly mentions that it is for Tweak? —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 19:28, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

::::Of course it is '''for''' Tweak; that is, I believe, obvious to anyone intelligent enough to play DF.
::::But nowhere did I find (though it might very well exist - I'm known to make really stupid errors like that) something that says that it is '''with''' Tweak.
::::Also, the logic that "someone who can't find it will just find it when they open Tweak" doesn't work, in case any of you are thinking that, since some of us won't look in Tweak till they know they have something to use in it (i.e. Tile Edit). --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 23:01, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

:::::I see your point. —[[User:Rick|Rick]] 23:56, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

This may be mere stupidity on my part, but is it possible using Tile Edit to change, for example, a tile into a gem wall or ore wall of specific type?

:At this point, not really. When more of the flags are mapped/figured out, I imagine it would be possible to bridge that gap. IIRC, an older tool that's not been updated in ages (and no longer even listed on the Utils page) used to be able to copy the contents of one tile and place them in a new one, to include composition of the tile (stone, gem, soil, etc.) Perhaps even if the current build of TileEdit could never support that function, perhaps Rick would see to it to eventually incorporate that kind of function in the future? --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 06:34, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

::I was able to create a White Sand Cavern Floor for the purposes of glassmaking. Type "60 01", Unknown 2 "01 00", Unknown 3 "05 00", Unknown 5 "C0 FD", Block Biome Index "7" and Geo Index Layer "2", with the rest all "00" and temperature seeming to make no difference. Would this be helpful on the main page? --[[User:Aristoi|Aristoi]] 17:09, 4 January 2009 (EST)

== more operations ==

Howdy, I often find the search for chasms and underground rivers annoying, so being able to make one with this tool is pretty sweet. I searched the Bay12 forums and people seemed to think it wasn't possible with the tool... so I tinkered around. It's actually not that hard, you can just change the Type on the first tab to "23 00" and you've got a full blown chasm. Remember to put it on a tile with a solid space below it or it'll just act like a channeled tile (i.e. letting any water/magma flow into your fort). To go along with the chasm, I made a water source from a waterfall tile and created a small one tile wide river network for a system of wells on the upper levels. The waterfall tile type is "59 00" and unlike a brook or river tile it'll produce water from nothing along with mist.
--[[User:Corc|Corc]] 15:00, 29 April 2008 (EDT)
:i like the soundof making waterfalls, but all that happes is i get a square called "waterfall", and no water comes out --[[User:Corhen|Corhen]] 19:12, 16 july 2008 (EDT)
::ok, put a wall beside it, removed it, now it works, i now have a waterfall falling into a chasm

Hey, by putting "08 01" in Type will also allow you to creat Magma/Lava Flows, which should create magma/lave...
So far I've placed my own, yet nothing seems to be appearing from it, yet. I've added 7/7 Lava to it and built a wall to let it flow, but still nothing. --[[User:SP2|SP2]] 19:12, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

:Creating a magma flow would be pretty cool, maybe next time I get a chance I should see if setting the "is lava" flag to a waterfall and see if it creates a lavafall :) I was having trouble with water flow and resorted to a waterfall for a renewing source of water, so I dunno how to combat the "flow" tiles not "flowing". Also, should I add to the real page the chasm/waterfall stuff or wait for Rick to?
:--[[User:Corc|Corc]] 19:51, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

::Let rick do it. Those that are interested in unsupported operations will be looking at discussion pages anyways. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 03:09, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

==Lethal coldness==

I flubbed a bit of moat-digging and needed a do-over, so I used this tool to turn some of the mined-out squares back into clay loam again. Worked great, but now it appears those tiles have been set to be extremely cold; any miner I send in to re-dig them gets massively wounded or killed by the cold. The field immediately below the "temperature" field used to be set to 10015 but gets set to 0 when I edit the tile, which might be the cause of this, but it appears that Tile Edit is unable to change this value back to 10015; every time I try it goes back to 0 again. Has anyone else seen this behavior, and/or do they know a way around it? [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 21:08, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

There should be two fields for temperature with the up/down arrows at the far right - try setting them both to 10050 or so several times and waiting for a while? This fixed my freezing problems. Edit: No... I've been trying to set a small area that keeps freezing to 10050, it just keeps falling to 0 or bugging out. Tile edit seems to seriously and permanently mess up temperature =/ --[[User:Wooty|Wooty]] 05:04, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

:yea, i have that problem tried resetting the temp, but that never worked. has any1 tried buting water on a frozen tile, will it flah freeze--[[User:Corhen|Corhen]] 010:22, 08 July 2008 (EDT)

==Wood and trees?==
is there any way to spawn items,such as wood planks, and trees?
:I tried to make a tree, and I can create a capital "T" which is listed as "tree" but it has no type. The actual type appears to be stored elsewhere (or at least not accessible to Tile Edit). Not sure if a generic tree would be usable to cut wood from. -[[User:Aristoi|Aristoi]] 16:58, 4 January 2009 (EST)
::Tried it way before you did it, not possible. Btw people remember to SIGN YOUR EDITS ({{#if: Z | [[DwarfFortressWiki:Community_Portal#{{uc:Z}}|<span title="Rule {{uc:Z}}: {{#switch:{{uc:Z}}|A=Alphabet|B=Be bold|C=Categories|D=Discussion|E=Eliminate fluff|F=Facts|G=Greed|H=Headings|I=Images|J=Jealousy|K=Keys template|L=Losing is fun|M=More people should look in raws|N=Naming|O=Original research is good|P=Preview|Q=Queue|R=Redundancy|S=Style|T=Timelessness|U=User pages|V=Verify|W=Wit hard to recognize|X=Xeniality|Y=Ye Olde (outdated) Info|Z=Zorro (i.e. sign your comments)|unknown rule}}
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40d Talk:Window

2009-01-04T20:24:43Z

GreyMario: /* Glass floors or skylights (ceiling windows!) */

Do windows block the flow of fluids? --[[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 20:16, 5 December 2007 (EST)
:Yes --[[User:Lacero|Lacero]] 10:58, 18 December 2007 (EST)

do windows allow light in? to fight [[Cave adaptation]] --[[User:Corhen|Corhen]] 22:24 24 december 2008
:Also yes. --[[User:N9103|Edward]] 06:09, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
:: No. The article says so since the 24th of July (see also [[light]]). --[[User:Aykavil|Aykavil]] 07:27, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Do you get the materials back when you remove a window? Especially Gem windows? --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 07:42, 4 May 2008 (EDT)
:Thirdly yes. --[[User:Savok|Savok]] 12:49, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Can dwarves "see" through the windows (i.e. see stealthly enemies on the other side)? [[User:Optimizt|Optimizt]] 20:02, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
:Again yes. At least, they get scared of things they see on the other side. I've not tested whether they can spot stealthy enemies. --[[User:Lacero|Lacero]] 11:09, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
::For what it's worth, spotting stealthed enemies requires that you be adjacent to them, so that particular question would be moot, I think. --[[User:ThunderClaw|ThunderClaw]] 12:17, 12 December 2008 (EST)

I'm assuming there's no bonus for a good view and that the only value a window adds is its own intrinsic value? I built a room out of windows and filled it with water, making a giant aquarium, but this seems to have been more for my benefit than the dwarves. [[User:Lungfish|Lungfish]] 03:53, 4 January 2009 (EST)

== Glass floors or skylights (ceiling windows!) ==

We all know that windows don't let light in and so won't prevent cave adaptation, but I just learned that glass floors WILL let light in to the next Z level down, if you build it over an open space. This proves that it's always noon in DF land. This also allows you to grow light-needing crops underground without sacrificing security or usable ground-space. [[User:Lungfish|Lungfish]] 03:46, 4 January 2009 (EST)
::Don't forget about Adventure Mode - darkness does exist there. <_< --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:24, 4 January 2009 (EST)
:Very astute, but as one can see under [[tile attributes]], as it is any kind of constructed floor will allow light to pass through (litle holes in them?). Presumably at some point in the future it'll be changed so that you'll need glass to make your greenhouse roof. As it is, it's merely a matter of personal preference.--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 07:30, 4 January 2009 (EST)
::Using any type of floors other than glass can be and is seen as an [[exploit]], plus if you plan to use the same game throughout versions, you should glass because as Quil said, it will most likely be changed.--[[User:Destor|Destor]] 11:19, 4 January 2009 (EST)

40d Talk:Losing

2009-01-04T20:23:47Z

GreyMario: /* Volcanic Death */

" if you dig a hole in a wall diagonally to a water source, water can come spurting out even without you receiving a warning about damp stone." Is this true anymore? The dev notes for today's version (November 1st) mentioned making squares touching water diagonally get the damp marker as well. --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 15:51, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

== 26 directions ==

26 directions? Really? I've been digging out tiles UNDER bodies of water trapped in rock, much less diagonal to them along the z-axis, and I haven't run into any flooding problems yet.--[[User:Xazak|Xazak]] 18:44, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

:If you dig a tunnel underneath a body of water, you retain the ceiling overhead. If you were to remove this ceiling (e.g. by digging a ramp or stairway upwards) then the water would certainly flow.

::It would, except digging a ramp doesn't remove the ceiling...in fact it's impossible to dig upwards into water. You can't designate anything on the water tile above, and nothing you do below removes the ceiling...I tried in vain, and was sorely dissapointed. 'Specially since Toady did it one of his movies. Let me know if you get it to work, though. --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 14:10, 6 November 2007 (EST)

:::You can currently ramp up into a water source and have it release the water down in version v0.27.169.33g. --[[User:Stravitch|Stravitch]] 16:39, 23 January 2008 (EST)

:::Build an upward (or an up/down) staircase on a level below and designate a downward staircase on the level above. Downward staircase is essentially a modification of the floor (ceiling) into a hole with stairs. Water doesn't flow in 16 up/down+horizontal directions (doesn't flow up+horizontal under pressure). Be warned that digging directly below a lake or a river is safe despite "dump stone" warning but digging into stone directly below an aquafier is NOT safe.--[[User:Another|Another]] 02:35, 4 December 2007 (EST)

:::Water flows in only 10 directions: the eight horizontal directions, straight up, and straight down. Someone should edit the article page.[[User:Rkyeun|Rkyeun]] 12:08, 23 January 2008 (EST)
::::Done, but don't hesitate to edit pages if you see something wrong :) people can always reedit them if they disagree ;) --[[User:Shades|Shades]] 16:13, 23 January 2008 (EST)

== Losing is fun ==
What would you say to moving the article to [[fun]] and making this one a redirect? [[User:VengefulDonut|VengefulDonut]] 18:29, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:That would be so funny! Don't know if it would gel with the rules, though. --[[User:Tarsier|Tarsier]] 19:53, 5 November 2007 (EST)

::Redirected fun to here. ;) --[[User:Turgid Bolk|Turgid Bolk]] 14:12, 6 November 2007 (EST)

== Starvation ==
According to the starvation section you can gather plants if you dont have soil to farm on, but as far as i know plants only grow above soil layers [[User:Thatguyyaknow|Thatguyyaknow]] 08:57, 19 January 2008 (EST)

:If you make rock muddy, you can grow on top of it. [[User:Calculus|Calculus]] 15:16, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

== Dehydration ==
What's that about "an indoor basin or water tower" ? How do you do that? --[[User:Keesto|Keesto]] 15:17, 6 September 2008 (EDT)
:Ditto. How do you "collect all the water before it evaporates"? --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 06:49, 22 November 2008 (EST)
::Dig out an area under a body of water, then poke a hole that lets the water flow into it.--[[User:Bilkinson|Bilkinson]] 13:18, 22 November 2008 (EST)

== Old Age ==

Does anybody know if dwarves can die of old age? or do they all just keep living forever?
:According to the raws, dwarves have a lifespan of 160-200 years. So if you play for a ''really'' long time... --[[User:Bilkinson|Bilkinson]] 12:19, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
::How old are your starting dwarves? Do they start at a certain "matured" age, or are they for all intents and purposes abnormally large babies? --[[User:Stryc9fuego|Stryc9fuego]] 10:00, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

:I've had a few dogs die at around the five-year mark (these were ones I brought to the fortress when embarking). Not sure what that spells for dwarves, but it does show that the mechanics are in place for creatures dying of old age during play.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 19:51, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

== Volcanic Death ==

Insofar as I can tell, the [[Losing#Volcanic Death|Volcanic Death]] section seems to be essentially fabrication as of v40d. I've never seen a volcano erupt, and doors are utterly invulnerable to being melted or set on fire when closed, if memory serves. Also for some reason I suspect that obsidian doesn't melt in lava, although I could be imagining that one. Comments?--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 18:02, 2 January 2009 (EST)
:Closed doors don't melt, unless something changed in the last five or so seconds. I regularly use doors to hold back magma, and have a basalt door doing so in my current fort. Obsidian stones do melt in lava, however. It's possible that you've never seen a volcano erupt because you've only had a magma vent and not a volcano, because as far as I know they aren't the same thing.--[[User:Eurytus|Eurytus]] 20:38, 2 January 2009 (EST)
::Oh, that's right. Forgot about that. Though I do expect it'll be changing eventually. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 22:37, 2 January 2009 (EST)

::Okay, yes, apparently I was hallucinating that obsidian didn't melt in lava. Having specifically hunted down volcanoes to attempt to build fortresses in on several occasions, I'm reasonably sure that eruptions haven't been implemented yet unless I'm very lucky or eruptions are very uncommon. Unless the comments that Toady intends to increase the dangerousness of volcanoes are way out of date, it's not actually been implemented yet.--[[User:Quil|Quil]] 15:12, 3 January 2009 (EST)

:::Well, they do refill, maybe that's what he meant? I do still hope he'll make them erupt, though. But it's easy enough to simulate an eruption - just channel the rim. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 15:23, 4 January 2009 (EST)

40d:Losing

2009-01-03T03:40:11Z

GreyMario: /* Volcanic Death */

Losing is fun!

Either way, it keeps you busy.

Most new players will lose their first few forts; <s>if</s> when you lose a [[fortress]], don't feel like you don't understand the game. Dwarf Fortress has a steep learning curve, and part of the appeal is discovering things for yourself. However, this Wiki serves as an excellent place to speed up the learning process.

If you lose, you can always [[reclaim fortress mode|reclaim fortress]] or go visit it in [[adventurer mode]].

If you're looking for more ways to <s>die horribly</s> test yourself, try either the [[Difficult Seeds]], [[Mega Constructions]], or the [[Challenges]] pages.

== Autopsy ==

Various things can cause you to lose a fortress.

=== Losing your miners ===

If your [[miner]]s are killed in a [[cave-in|collapse]] and their equipment destroyed, chances are good that you will no longer be able to continue your efforts. Consider abandoning your fortress. Alternatively, you can try to keep your fortress running long enough to request additional [[pick]]s from your Outpost [[Liaison]], who will arrive with the next dwarven trade [[caravan]]. It will take another year before they will return. 
Also consider the tedious but fun option of making [[buildings]] outside! If your [[woodcutter]]s with [[axe]]s are still available, then you can build structures of [[wood]]. This is not recommended for very new players though, as it is intensely resource-demanding and takes a lot of managing to get right. (Also not recommended if you don't understand the z-axis system yet.)

=== Starvation ===

A serious danger, generally in the more inhospitable [[climate]]s, is the loss of your [[dwarves]] due to starvation; if you are in the heart of a [[mountain]] with no [[soil]] to build on, it is possible you will not be able to establish [[farm]]s. As dwarves begin to starve, they will become Hungry, then Starving. This will cause them to become very angry. When they die, their friends will become upset and will become even angrier, potentially causing the remainder of your fortress to break out in a terminal brawl.

Don't forget your alternative sources of [[food]]. Try [[butchering]] your [[animals]], [[plant gathering|gathering plants]], or resorting to [[hunting]] of local wildlife.

===Dehydration===

One of the biggest problems with a fortress that has no [[brook]], [[stream]], [[river]], or other source of fresh [[water]]. Water must be rapidly gathered from stagnant pools and stored into an indoor basin or water tower, with sufficient depth before it [[evaporate]]s. If this fails, all of the water on the map will likely evaporate and your dwarves will be left without any water.

Healthy dwarves will not die of thirst as long as they have alcohol, which in the current version can be [[Brewing|brewed]] without the use of water. However, injured dwarves must be given water, not alcohol, or they will die of dehydration.

===Flooding accidents===

The opposite side of the dehydration spectrum is having too ''much'' water. Remember that water can [[flow]] in 10 directions (the 8 horizontal ones as well as up and down ) [[Magma]], unlike water, does not flow up.

If your fortress is beginning to flood from [[Water#Sourced Water|sourced water]], abandon all of the levels the water can reach immediately—drafting dwarves into the [[military]] and stationing them onto the surface if need be. You will never be able to recover those areas unless you can manage to [[pump]] out the water faster than it floods in, which can take over a year or two of game time to establish a functioning automated pump system. Generally, a flooding accident spells doom for your fortress.

===Invasion===

The [[goblin]]s first come with about a dozen soldiers to [[siege]] your fort. Then they come again with about two dozen. Then three. Soon enough your [[trap]]s are all sprung, your [[door]]s beaten down, and your dwarves are dead. Without some simple [[Fortress defense|defense]]s, such as a [[moat]], a horde of goblins on your doorstep can be deadly.

===Wildlife===

Goblins aren't the only creatures that want you dead. Be it [[unicorn|unicorns]], [[hippo|hippos]], [[undead]] [[elephant|elephants]] or a [[giant cave spider]], a sudden wildlife attack can quickly cripple or destroy an unprepared fortress.

===Volcanic Death===

{{Colored Notice Box|#00f|There is dispute over whether volcanoes actually erupt or if this behavior is the product of a bug where a [[bottomless pit]] and volcano are placed on top of each other.}}

[[Volcano]]es (read: '''''not''''' [[magma]] vents, actual ''volcanoes'') can and will erupt unexpectedly.{{verify}} If you've got front doors to your fort, don't forget to lock them during an eruption... and make sure you've got some way to remove excess magma, too.

Oh, that's right, you never installed any front doors. You were hoping that you could just dump the invaders into the volcano as they walked up to your front entrance, which is (conveniently) right on the edge of the lava. Whoops. Say goodbye to half your fort.

This advice also applies if you're trying to pull a [[Boatmurdered]] (i.e. flood the world with magma) or if you just want to roast those sieges sitting at your front door.

===General Unhappiness===

Think it's no big deal to leave your dwarves with a medicore [[dining room]], living room, and a generally inadequate fortress?

If there is little in a fortress to give your dwarves happy [[thoughts]] and enough to give them unhappy [[thoughts]], then your dwarves will start to throw tantrums, go melancholy, and destroy your [[civilization]]. Unhappiness is more likely to occur if your fortress is suffering other kinds of downfall.

===Siege===
Should hosts of goblins besiege your gates, drive your peasantry inside and force you to seal off from the outside world, you may have already lost the game. Although a dwarven fortress can be made to appear self-contained, with sources of [[metal]], [[fuel]], underground [[list of crops|crops]] and even livestock kept within inaccessible tunnels, very rarely if ever can a fortress sustain such a state indefinitely. For example, [[trade]] with the outside world has now been shut off, leaving you only what minerals are on your map for the production of mandate goods. This results in a breakdown of social order if your [[Hammerer]] kills and maims dwarves. [[Shell]], [[bone]], [[leather]] and other products commonly acquired by [[hunting]] and [[fishing]] can no longer be found by your workers, which can drive moody [[craftsdwarf|craftsdwarves]] to commit suicide. Rotten [[vermin]] [[corpse]]s begin to heap in your food supply, forcing you to dump these into garbage pits and refuse piles generating [[miasma]]. One fell miscalculation of your [[fuel]] reserves may leave you without [[coke]] to refine further coal, and without a supply of timber for your wood burning [[furnace]] this can drive your [[weaponsmith]]s to melancholy or berserk rage, and worse, end your vital [[weapon]]s production for a future counterattack. Unless an interior watersupply was established your wounded will die of dehydration and your entire colony will hinge on [[alcohol|booze]] production; a delicate balancing act.

With all these critical industries unproductive, dwarves dying, and friends mourning over the rotting heaps of slain loved ones, its important to remember your dwarves have nothing to do but throw funeral receptions, grief counseling sessions, and the occasional keg stand. This means they've all become one big happy family of friends, manically depressed from the loss of any dwarf.

In short, the attacking army can simply wait until your dwarves emo themselves to death.

[[Category:Guides]]

40d Talk:Losing

2009-01-03T03:37:31Z

GreyMario: /* Volcanic Death */

40d:Losing

2009-01-02T05:18:33Z

GreyMario: /* Volcanic Death */

Losing is fun!

Either way, it keeps you busy.

Most new players will lose their first few forts; <s>if</s> when you lose a [[fortress]], don't feel like you don't understand the game. Dwarf Fortress has a steep learning curve, and part of the appeal is discovering things for yourself. However, this Wiki serves as an excellent place to speed up the learning process.

If you lose, you can always [[reclaim fortress mode|reclaim fortress]] or go visit it in [[adventurer mode]].

If you're looking for more ways to <s>die horribly</s> test yourself, try either the [[Difficult Seeds]], [[Mega Constructions]], or the [[Challenges]] pages.

== Autopsy ==

Various things can cause you to lose a fortress.

=== Losing your miners ===

If your [[miner]]s are killed in a [[cave-in|collapse]] and their equipment destroyed, chances are good that you will no longer be able to continue your efforts. Consider abandoning your fortress. Alternatively, you can try to keep your fortress running long enough to request additional [[pick]]s from your Outpost [[Liaison]], who will arrive with the next dwarven trade [[caravan]]. It will take another year before they will return. 
Also consider the tedious but fun option of making [[buildings]] outside! If your [[woodcutter]]s with [[axe]]s are still available, then you can build structures of [[wood]]. This is not recommended for very new players though, as it is intensely resource-demanding and takes a lot of managing to get right. (Also not recommended if you don't understand the z-axis system yet.)

=== Starvation ===

A serious danger, generally in the more inhospitable [[climate]]s, is the loss of your [[dwarves]] due to starvation; if you are in the heart of a [[mountain]] with no [[soil]] to build on, it is possible you will not be able to establish [[farm]]s. As dwarves begin to starve, they will become Hungry, then Starving. This will cause them to become very angry. When they die, their friends will become upset and will become even angrier, potentially causing the remainder of your fortress to break out in a terminal brawl.

Don't forget your alternative sources of [[food]]. Try [[butchering]] your [[animals]], [[plant gathering|gathering plants]], or resorting to [[hunting]] of local wildlife.

===Dehydration===

One of the biggest problems with a fortress that has no [[brook]], [[stream]], [[river]], or other source of fresh [[water]]. Water must be rapidly gathered from stagnant pools and stored into an indoor basin or water tower, with sufficient depth before it [[evaporate]]s. If this fails, all of the water on the map will likely evaporate and your dwarves will be left without any water.

Healthy dwarves will not die of thirst as long as they have alcohol, which in the current version can be [[Brewing|brewed]] without the use of water. However, injured dwarves must be given water, not alcohol, or they will die of dehydration.

===Flooding accidents===

The opposite side of the dehydration spectrum is having too ''much'' water. Remember that water can [[flow]] in 10 directions (the 8 horizontal ones as well as up and down ) [[Magma]], unlike water, does not flow up.

If your fortress is beginning to flood from [[Water#Sourced Water|sourced water]], abandon all of the levels the water can reach immediately—drafting dwarves into the [[military]] and stationing them onto the surface if need be. You will never be able to recover those areas unless you can manage to [[pump]] out the water faster than it floods in, which can take over a year or two of game time to establish a functioning automated pump system. Generally, a flooding accident spells doom for your fortress.

===Invasion===

The [[goblin]]s first come with about a dozen soldiers to [[siege]] your fort. Then they come again with about two dozen. Then three. Soon enough your [[trap]]s are all sprung, your [[door]]s beaten down, and your dwarves are dead. Without some simple [[Fortress defense|defense]]s, such as a [[moat]], a horde of goblins on your doorstep can be deadly.

===Wildlife===

Goblins aren't the only creatures that want you dead. Be it [[unicorn|unicorns]], [[hippo|hippos]], [[undead]] [[elephant|elephants]] or a [[giant cave spider]], a sudden wildlife attack can quickly cripple or destroy an unprepared fortress.

===Volcanic Death===

{{Colored Notice Box|#00f|There is dispute over whether volcanoes actually erupt or if this behavior is the product of a bug where a [[bottomless pit]] and volcano are placed on top of each other.}}

[[Volcano]]es (read: '''''not''''' [[magma]] vents, actual ''volcanoes'') can and will erupt unexpectedly.{{verify}} If you've got front doors to your fort, don't forget to lock them during an eruption... and make sure you've got some way to remove excess magma, too.

Oh, that's right, you only made your front doors out of obsidian because that was the only rock you had too much of. Whoops. Say goodbye to half your fort.

This advice also applies if you're trying to pull a [[Boatmurdered]] (i.e. flood the world with magma) or if you just want to roast those sieges sitting at your front door.

===General Unhappiness===

Think it's no big deal to leave your dwarves with a medicore [[dining room]], living room, and a generally inadequate fortress?

If there is little in a fortress to give your dwarves happy [[thoughts]] and enough to give them unhappy [[thoughts]], then your dwarves will start to throw tantrums, go melancholy, and destroy your [[civilization]]. Unhappiness is more likely to occur if your fortress is suffering other kinds of downfall.

===Siege===
Should hosts of goblins besiege your gates, drive your peasantry inside and force you to seal off from the outside world, you may have already lost the game. Although a dwarven fortress can be made to appear self-contained, with sources of [[metal]], [[fuel]], underground [[list of crops|crops]] and even livestock kept within inaccessible tunnels, very rarely if ever can a fortress sustain such a state indefinitely. For example, [[trade]] with the outside world has now been shut off, leaving you only what minerals are on your map for the production of mandate goods. This results in a breakdown of social order if your [[Hammerer]] kills and maims dwarves. [[Shell]], [[bone]], [[leather]] and other products commonly acquired by [[hunting]] and [[fishing]] can no longer be found by your workers, which can drive moody [[craftsdwarf|craftsdwarves]] to commit suicide. Rotten [[vermin]] [[corpse]]s begin to heap in your food supply, forcing you to dump these into garbage pits and refuse piles generating [[miasma]]. One fell miscalculation of your [[fuel]] reserves may leave you without [[coke]] to refine further coal, and without a supply of timber for your wood burning [[furnace]] this can drive your [[weaponsmith]]s to melancholy or berserk rage, and worse, end your vital [[weapon]]s production for a future counterattack. Unless an interior watersupply was established your wounded will die of dehydration and your entire colony will hinge on [[alcohol|booze]] production; a delicate balancing act.

With all these critical industries unproductive, dwarves dying, and friends mourning over the rotting heaps of slain loved ones, its important to remember your dwarves have nothing to do but throw funeral receptions, grief counseling sessions, and the occasional keg stand. This means they've all become one big happy family of friends, manically depressed from the loss of any dwarf.

In short, the attacking army can simply wait until your dwarves emo themselves to death.

[[Category:Guides]]

40d Talk:Volcano

2009-01-01T05:24:50Z

GreyMario: /* Erupting volcanoes */

== Volcano on world map. ==

[[Image:Dwarffortressvolcanoonworldmap.jpg|600px]]
Changes to articles were made as needed.

== Where volcanoes form...? (verify) ==

The statement about volcanoes forming around the edge of oceans looks wrong to me. I was unaware of any such trend on the worlds I've seen so far. As I understand it, there is a magma activity map that varies across the the world and 'peaks' at certain points in the terrain creating volcanoes. I don't know how toady has implemented that, but I'm sure it has nothing to do with the rims of oceans. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]

==Cavern collapse==
Is not related to the generation of water above magma and instant crystallisation and collapse. Because I got that phenomenon when I settled at an extinct volcano (no magma present in pipe). --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 07:35, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

==Erupting volcanoes==
It would appear that volcanoes can now erupt http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-685-volcano#lastComment;?%3E [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 03:19, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
:Nope, that's just a (somewhat) common bug where a volcano and a bottomless pit are generated on the same spot. Here's another video of the same bug, where the poor dwarves embarked right next to the lava. http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-701-shortestfortever [[User:Spoggerific|Spoggerific]] 15:33, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
::Does this bug occur immediately on embark, or anytime? I've had a volcano appear to erupt quite a bit after I embarked, it spit fire everywhere, and burnt up a bunch of the landscape (and several of my dwarves). [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 11:39, 31 December 2008 (EST)
:::Depends on the version, if you're importing an old save, and if Armok wants to see a bloodfest. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 22:28, 31 December 2008 (EST)
::::<strike>This was the latest version, so I can pretty much confirm that yes, volcanoes do erupt now. Saw it again tonight.</strike> [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 23:13, 31 December 2008 (EST)
::::Having said that, I was also attacked by a Fire Man tonight, that produced pretty much the same effect ... fire everywhere, burning everything. So I guess I can't truly confirm volcanoes erupt, it could have been a Fire Man. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 00:19, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:::::That depends - was the world burninating after the so-called "eruption" or was there just a solid sheet of ash among the trees? If it was the former, a fire man started the blaze; the latter, lava spilled over the world. This requires testing, apparently - time to embark over a volcano and survive for as long as possible. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 00:24, 1 January 2009 (EST)

== Draining a volcano ==

I had read that magma tiles were supposed to be sources of magma.

So I am a bit suprised that having dug (admittedly a quite large) room in the bottom z-level then opened it up to the magma pipe, I have drained the top five z-levels of my volcano.

It has been several seasons now. I am wondering will the volcano pipe fill back up or have I drained it permenantly?

[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 03:18, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

40d:Losing

2009-01-01T05:22:34Z

GreyMario: /* Volcanic Death */

Losing is fun!

Either way, it keeps you busy.

Most new players will lose their first few forts; <s>if</s> when you lose a [[fortress]], don't feel like you don't understand the game. Dwarf Fortress has a steep learning curve, and part of the appeal is discovering things for yourself. However, this Wiki serves as an excellent place to speed up the learning process.

If you lose, you can always [[reclaim fortress mode|reclaim fortress]] or go visit it in [[adventurer mode]].

If you're looking for more ways to <s>die horribly</s> test yourself, try either the [[Difficult Seeds]], [[Mega Constructions]], or the [[Challenges]] pages.

== Autopsy ==

Various things can cause you to lose a fortress.

=== Losing your miners ===

If your [[miner]]s are killed in a [[cave-in|collapse]] and their equipment destroyed, chances are good that you will no longer be able to continue your efforts. Consider abandoning your fortress. Alternatively, you can try to keep your fortress running long enough to request additional [[pick]]s from your Outpost [[Liaison]], who will arrive with the next dwarven trade [[caravan]]. It will take another year before they will return. 
Also consider the tedious but fun option of making [[buildings]] outside! If your [[woodcutter]]s with [[axe]]s are still available, then you can build structures of [[wood]]. This is not recommended for very new players though, as it is intensely resource-demanding and takes a lot of managing to get right. (Also not recommended if you don't understand the z-axis system yet.)

=== Starvation ===

A serious danger, generally in the more inhospitable [[climate]]s, is the loss of your [[dwarves]] due to starvation; if you are in the heart of a [[mountain]] with no [[soil]] to build on, it is possible you will not be able to establish [[farm]]s. As dwarves begin to starve, they will become Hungry, then Starving. This will cause them to become very angry. When they die, their friends will become upset and will become even angrier, potentially causing the remainder of your fortress to break out in a terminal brawl.

Don't forget your alternative sources of [[food]]. Try [[butchering]] your [[animals]], [[plant gathering|gathering plants]], or resorting to [[hunting]] of local wildlife.

===Dehydration===

One of the biggest problems with a fortress that has no [[brook]], [[stream]], [[river]], or other source of fresh [[water]]. Water must be rapidly gathered from stagnant pools and stored into an indoor basin or water tower, with sufficient depth before it [[evaporate]]s. If this fails, all of the water on the map will likely evaporate and your dwarves will be left without any water.

Healthy dwarves will not die of thirst as long as they have alcohol, which in the current version can be [[Brewing|brewed]] without the use of water. However, injured dwarves must be given water, not alcohol, or they will die of dehydration.

===Flooding accidents===

The opposite side of the dehydration spectrum is having too ''much'' water. Remember that water can [[flow]] in 10 directions (the 8 horizontal ones as well as up and down ) [[Magma]], unlike water, does not flow up.

If your fortress is beginning to flood from [[Water#Sourced Water|sourced water]], abandon all of the levels the water can reach immediately—drafting dwarves into the [[military]] and stationing them onto the surface if need be. You will never be able to recover those areas unless you can manage to [[pump]] out the water faster than it floods in, which can take over a year or two of game time to establish a functioning automated pump system. Generally, a flooding accident spells doom for your fortress.

===Invasion===

The [[goblin]]s first come with about a dozen soldiers to [[siege]] your fort. Then they come again with about two dozen. Then three. Soon enough your [[trap]]s are all sprung, your [[door]]s beaten down, and your dwarves are dead. Without some simple [[Fortress defense|defense]]s, such as a [[moat]], a horde of goblins on your doorstep can be deadly.

===Wildlife===

Goblins aren't the only creatures that want you dead. Be it [[unicorn|unicorns]], [[hippo|hippos]], [[undead]] [[elephant|elephants]] or a [[giant cave spider]], a sudden wildlife attack can quickly cripple or destroy an unprepared fortress.

===Volcanic Death===

[[Volcano]]es (read: '''''not''''' [[magma]] vents, actual ''volcanoes'') can and will erupt unexpectedly. If you've got front doors to your fort, don't forget to lock them during an eruption... and make sure you've got some way to remove excess magma, too.

Oh, that's right, you only made your front doors out of obsidian because that was the only rock you had too much of. Whoops. Say goodbye to half your fort.

===General Unhappiness===

Think it's no big deal to leave your dwarves with a medicore [[dining room]], living room, and a generally inadequate fortress?

If there is little in a fortress to give your dwarves happy [[thoughts]] and enough to give them unhappy [[thoughts]], then your dwarves will start to throw tantrums, go melancholy, and destroy your [[civilization]]. Unhappiness is more likely to occur if your fortress is suffering other kinds of downfall.

===Siege===
Should hosts of goblins besiege your gates, drive your peasantry inside and force you to seal off from the outside world, you may have already lost the game. Although a dwarven fortress can be made to appear self-contained, with sources of [[metal]], [[fuel]], underground [[list of crops|crops]] and even livestock kept within inaccessible tunnels, very rarely if ever can a fortress sustain such a state indefinitely. For example, [[trade]] with the outside world has now been shut off, leaving you only what minerals are on your map for the production of mandate goods. This results in a breakdown of social order if your [[Hammerer]] kills and maims dwarves. [[Shell]], [[bone]], [[leather]] and other products commonly acquired by [[hunting]] and [[fishing]] can no longer be found by your workers, which can drive moody [[craftsdwarf|craftsdwarves]] to commit suicide. Rotten [[vermin]] [[corpse]]s begin to heap in your food supply, forcing you to dump these into garbage pits and refuse piles generating [[miasma]]. One fell miscalculation of your [[fuel]] reserves may leave you without [[coke]] to refine further coal, and without a supply of timber for your wood burning [[furnace]] this can drive your [[weaponsmith]]s to melancholy or berserk rage, and worse, end your vital [[weapon]]s production for a future counterattack. Unless an interior watersupply was established your wounded will die of dehydration and your entire colony will hinge on [[alcohol|booze]] production; a delicate balancing act.

With all these critical industries unproductive, dwarves dying, and friends mourning over the rotting heaps of slain loved ones, its important to remember your dwarves have nothing to do but throw funeral receptions, grief counseling sessions, and the occasional keg stand. This means they've all become one big happy family of friends, manically depressed from the loss of any dwarf.

In short, the attacking army can simply wait until your dwarves emo themselves to death.

[[Category:Guides]]

40d Talk:Volcano

2009-01-01T03:28:47Z

GreyMario: /* Erupting volcanoes */

== Volcano on world map. ==

[[Image:Dwarffortressvolcanoonworldmap.jpg|600px]]
Changes to articles were made as needed.

== Where volcanoes form...? (verify) ==

The statement about volcanoes forming around the edge of oceans looks wrong to me. I was unaware of any such trend on the worlds I've seen so far. As I understand it, there is a magma activity map that varies across the the world and 'peaks' at certain points in the terrain creating volcanoes. I don't know how toady has implemented that, but I'm sure it has nothing to do with the rims of oceans. --[[User:Markavian|Markavian]]

==Cavern collapse==
Is not related to the generation of water above magma and instant crystallisation and collapse. Because I got that phenomenon when I settled at an extinct volcano (no magma present in pipe). --[[User:Juckto|Juckto]] 07:35, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

==Erupting volcanoes==
It would appear that volcanoes can now erupt http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-685-volcano#lastComment;?%3E [[User:Diabl0658|Diabl0658]] 03:19, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
:Nope, that's just a (somewhat) common bug where a volcano and a bottomless pit are generated on the same spot. Here's another video of the same bug, where the poor dwarves embarked right next to the lava. http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-701-shortestfortever [[User:Spoggerific|Spoggerific]] 15:33, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
::Does this bug occur immediately on embark, or anytime? I've had a volcano appear to erupt quite a bit after I embarked, it spit fire everywhere, and burnt up a bunch of the landscape (and several of my dwarves). [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 11:39, 31 December 2008 (EST)
:::Depends on the version, if you're importing an old save, and if Armok wants to see a bloodfest. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 22:28, 31 December 2008 (EST)

== Draining a volcano ==

I had read that magma tiles were supposed to be sources of magma.

So I am a bit suprised that having dug (admittedly a quite large) room in the bottom z-level then opened it up to the magma pipe, I have drained the top five z-levels of my volcano.

It has been several seasons now. I am wondering will the volcano pipe fill back up or have I drained it permenantly?

[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 03:18, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

40d Talk:Stockpile

2009-01-01T01:04:24Z

GreyMario: /* Core Quality vs Total Quality */

=== Stockpile categories ===
'''[[Ore]]''' 
Ore will be brought here. This is one of the simpler stockpiles.
: Is it just me, or is this incorrect? I don't see an option in the new version for ore piles. I'm at work and so cannot double-check at this time, but I'll check when I get home and if I confirm it then, I'll remove Ore from the Stockpile categories.

You're correct. Ore is now included in the stone stockpile and there is no mining stockpile. I've made the change. -Valdemar

Should this page be retitled "Stockpile" to keep in line with the title style rules? --[[User:BahamutZERO|BahamutZERO]] 17:44, 1 November 2007 (EDT)
:Done. --[[User:Peristarkawan|Peristarkawan]] 18:15, 1 November 2007 (EDT)

==Custom Catastrophe==

According to the forums, and my own experiences, the "Custom" category doesn't actually work. Removing the unused stockpile and replacing it with one of the standard type, then editing it to your specifications will work. Also types can be safely changed after they're assigned. (I turned a wood stockpile to a bed stockpile with successful stocking).
I came across this after a great deal of kitchen rebuilding because my cook wouldn't fill the stockpiles. If someone more familiar with the wiki, and the game, could confirm this and edit the page it would be appreciated, it's something that should be out there. [[User:Scribbler|Scribbler]] 14:24, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

: I have not had this problem, although I do need to be careful making sure that I actually adjust the cus((k|t}}om stockpile settings before placing the stockpile, and then being sure that I'm still placing a custom stockpile. This menu is one of the least-intuitive to my mind, but the settings work, AFAIK. --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 20:48, 4 November 2008 (EST)

:Custom stockpiles work perfectly for me, and have for a logn time. Maybe the original poster overlooked the "prepared food" option under the food submenu?--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 18:53, 5 November 2008 (EST)

== Bins ==

how do I make my bins get to the "right" stockpiles (ie i want to put stone in bins to compact it but so far my bin is sitting in a "finished goods" stockpile)[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 09:40, 4 January 2008 (EST)

:Raw objects generally can't be put in bins, only "processed" goods. For instance, [[block]]s can be put in bins, but not raw stone. The best way to get a compact stone store is to create a dump, though I haven't fiddled with that technique yet.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 12:51, 4 January 2008 (EST)
::Stone designated for dumping (individually which is a pain no matter how you do it) can all end up on a single dump activity zone and then reclaimed, this is much more space-efficient than stone stockpiles.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 01:42, 8 July 2008 (EDT)

== Usable/Unusable Weapons/Armour? ==

Anyone knows exactly what this does? It seems that stockpiles set to "unusable" will only collect things that dwarfs can't possibly ever use, not even in Adventure mode (ex: big human two-handed weapons such as a halberd), but while technically things like whips and scimitars aren't unusable, dwarfs in Fortress mode will never equip them - no such option in the Military screen. Or will they use, for example, a scimitar if set to use swords? Will that use the Swordsdwarf skill? IMO it would be more useful if it included any weapon not in the Military screen. --[[User:Sergius|Sergius]] 12:44, 12 January 2008 (EST)
:I use this when I kill kobolds etc - all the weapons my dwarf collect of '''hostile''' creatures then go into the same bin. I can't use them, but I ''can'' drag one bin all at once to the visiting [[trading|merchant]] - ker-ching! They sell pretty well.
:But I agree, it should be that any weapon dwarves cannot use should end up there.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 02:53, 14 February 2008 (EST)

== my dear cook ==

preparing food stacks larger than *ten* - on what depends the number? my cook sometimes does it, sometimes not, both with lavish and simple meals. Is it from the stack size? --[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 02:36, 14 February 2008 (EST)

:The biggest question here though is - what is the appropriate setting for a stockpile for cooked food?
:It seems to be, "forbid" everything but make sure "Prepared food" is turned on. But "prepared food" seems to be turned on as the default, and it allows even unprocessed fish etc to be placed in the stockpile. So this doesn't make much sense to me.[[User:GarrieIrons|GarrieIrons]] 05:40, 27 February 2008 (EST)
: well, you could use a refuse pile with only prepared meals enabled...--[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 14:39, 29 February 2008 (EST)
:: to be more precise, a custom stockpile (t) with only prepared meals enabled under 'Refuse' - works and is not even called a refuse pile. Havent seen someone eat from it yet though.--[[User:Koltom|Koltom]] 22:03, 3 March 2008 (EST)

== Stone Stockpiles ==

Currently my dwarves are not hauling ores of iron, zinc and lignite which I have disabled for my other stone stockpiles. I have over 8000 stone in somewhat organized stockpiles since I thought my wealth would generate more slowly with everyone hauling them all around the map with the more common stones, siltstone and phyllite, creating common crafts, statues, hatch covers, flood gates, mechanisms and use in stone fall traps. I now have over 333 stockpiles. I went and mined all ores used in creating fuels and metals and it seems that the storage space I've made might not be that big enough. What's the problem?--[[User:Seaneat|Seaneat]] 21:35, 9 July 2008 (EDT)
:Just got it, I had ignore minerals. Sorry.--[[User:Seaneat|Seaneat]] 21:35, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

== Take From Stockpile ==

While we're adding information to this section, Can someone who has used this successfully give a more concrete example? --[[User:RomeoFalling|RomeoFalling]] 18:22, 6 November 2008 (EST)

== Clear stone to replace with stockpile? ==

Is there any way to clear the stone out of the way so I can build a stock pile for something that ISN'T stone? Got a nice big room full of workshops and nowhere to put anything because 90% of the spots are filled with stones.

(Is it just me, or do the dwarves sometimes seem ''really'' dumb? I set up a paved road of about 10 sections from the top exit of the fortress to the edge of the map for caravans. I set up stone stockpiles next to every other segment of the road both so they didn't have to walk so far to do it and to clear some of the stone out... They started at the farthest away road segment, and will go all the way to the other end of the road, down three flights of stairs, all the way to an otherwise empty room to pick up a piece of stone to go all the way back to use it on the road, rather than use the nearby and completely full stockpiles. ) --[[User:Azaram|Azaram]] 05:24, 27 November 2008 (EST)

:[[Stone management]]. As for the road, when constructing a building, it shows you how distant the materials are, but only "as the crow flies". If the nearest stone is one z-level away and you unwittingly select it, they'll walk however long a path they have to actually fetch it. Same thing for workshops -- they'll go huge distances to get the item that's just above their heads.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 12:01, 27 November 2008 (EST)

::That may explain it... I set up the stockpiles after designating the road, so (after everyone dropped everything to fill the stockpiles), they went to the stone that I apparently designated when I set up the road. Would be nice if you could just tell them 'take THIS item and put it THERE'... --[[User:Azaram|Azaram]] 21:16, 28 November 2008 (EST)

:::[[Dump]]ing more or less allows you to do that.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 23:59, 28 November 2008 (EST)

::::Seems less than more. :-p I've got a leftover iron knife sitting on the remains of a two dimensional goblin in a stonefall trap... I set everything to dump, and they took everything but his body and his knife. (I sold all his crap to the elves that showed up shortly thereafter). I ended up going with the catapult version...had a peasant build three catapult parts then set it up and toss rocks across the room into a channel... he's now a siege engineer. So I had him build another and started another peasant on it, and they're happily banging away at the wall... --[[User:Azaram|Azaram]] 23:01, 29 November 2008 (EST)

==Armor bin capacity==

I have a bin in my armor stockpile that has 17 items in it, so unless something really weird is going on the statement in the article that bins in armor stockpiles can consolidate up to 10 items is probably false. Anyone know what the truth is? [[User:MJSS|MJSS]] 20:51, 16 December 2008 (EST)

:It depends on the size of the items. An armor bin can hold a lot more boots and gauntlets than it can suits of platemail. It was speculated that 10 is the minimum number of goods a bin can hold, although I think platemail bins don't even hold that many. --[[User:Squirrelloid|Squirrelloid]] 21:02, 16 December 2008 (EST)

::I've long been curious about what the formula is for bin capacity. A question for the future, I guess.--[[User:Maximus|Maximus]] 15:29, 17 December 2008 (EST)

== Core Quality vs Total Quality ==

What's the difference? Does core quality refer to the quality of the item while total quality somehow takes into account its decorations? If I have a standard quality sword menacing with masterwork spikes of bone, what total quality is that? [[User:Schwern|Schwern]] 17:49, 31 December 2008 (EST)

:Yes, and I have no idea. --[[User:GreyMario|GreyMaria]] 20:04, 31 December 2008 (EST)